[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion on adding the pierceive filter set for adblock by default ?
[12:05] <Tonio_> not activating adblock, but preparing a default set of rules.
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: my mother wouldn't be able to configure that, and that's the way epiphany works for example, it uses a set of rules preconfigured
[12:07] <Tonio_> pierceive is by far the best filters list for adblock systems :)
[12:10] <Tonio_> raphink: your opinion on this ?
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: patches and k-d-s emailed
[12:50] <Riddell> raphink: tell me more
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds like a good idea, who makes pierceive?
[12:52] <Tonio_> don't know, but it is a good set of rules
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: check out : http://www.pierceive.com
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: the new adblock extension uses this too
[12:53] <raphink> Riddell: hmm having a common blog for kubuntu-devs 
[12:53] <raphink> Riddell: like a shared wordpress for example
[12:53] <raphink> on kubuntu.org/blog
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay,  todo list for version of k-d-s
[12:54] <Tonio_> version 11
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: + for raphink's idea.
[12:55] <Tonio_> I think it would be nice to have the possibility tu communicate on on the kubuntu new features and improvements
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.pierceive.com/filtersetg/license.txt what about that ? getting authorization could be enough for you ?
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: epiphany simply asked for authorization
[12:58] <Riddell> raphink: nice idea, not sure where we'd set it up though
[12:58] <raphink> how do you mean Riddell?
[12:59] <raphink> Riddell: there's a DB for kubuntu.org, isn't there?
[01:00] <Riddell> raphink: nope
[01:00] <raphink> ah
[01:00] <raphink> Riddell: maybe we could use an external DB then
[01:00] <Riddell> we'd need to ask sysadmin to set it up, so could take forever
[01:00] <Riddell> no, firewalled
[01:00] <raphink> hehe
[01:00] <raphink> ah
[01:00] <raphink> :(
[01:00] <raphink> well setting a mysql db doesn't take so long
[01:01] <Riddell> we can always try asking sysadmin
[01:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: ever work out what was cauing that bookmarks toolbar to load on restore?
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, I didn't saw that issue on a native dapper installation
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you ?
[01:02] <Tonio_> how to reproduce ?
[01:03] <Tonio_> as long as I created a new fresh kde profile, it was fine for me
[01:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: no idea, I've been playing with profiles lots today so not sure what's causing what :)
[01:03] <Riddell> ok, I'll try and test that sometime
[01:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have a look, but if I can't reproduce, hard to patch ;)
[01:04] <Tonio_> Riddell, raphink: do you think that licence with eventual authorization is compatible with kubuntu ?
[01:04] <Tonio_> I would say no, but if epiphany does that, why not
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: if an authorization is okay for you, I will email he guy, if not, I will try to find another one
[02:17] <Tonio_> hum, Riddell I've compiled a set of rules, seems to work nicely ;)
[02:20] <Tonio_> no need for that licenced list then ;)
[06:14] <seaLne> hmm kubuntu-desktop just got removed when i dist-upgraded
[06:14] <seaLne> and if i try to install it it wants to remove "openoffice.org-debian-files openoffice.org2-l10n-en-us"
[06:15] <seaLne> wonder what in OOo is conflicting
[06:18] <seaLne> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/586403
[06:22] <seaLne> or in full http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/586406
[06:42] <robotgeek> someone with a fresh dapper kubuntu install, ping :)
[06:46] <robotgeek> i need to find out if 1) kubuntu can play mp3's by default (probably no) 2) is amarok-xine is required to play mp3's in amarok. is it installed by default 3) is libxine-extracodecs only for videos
[07:48] <robotgeek> i need to find out if 1) kubuntu can play mp3's by default (probably no) 2) is amarok-xine is required to play mp3's in amarok. is it installed by default 3) is libxine-extracodecs only for videos
[07:49] <freeflying> robotgeek: amarok use xine defaultly, so without libxine-extracoedcs. how can it  play mp3 file
[07:50] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: let me check!
[07:50] <Hobbsee> hehe!  seeing as i reinstalled last night
[07:50] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: great. i just want to be sure that i don't type wrong stuff in Kubuntu Desktop Guide
[07:50] <Hobbsee> hmm
[07:51] <Hobbsee> plays wav files, without any extra packages
[07:52] <Hobbsee> it just skips thru the mp3 files
[07:54] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: and does it play after installing libxine-extracodecs
[07:54] <seaLne> there is a file called libmad in libxine-extracodecs
[07:54] <seaLne> sorry dir
[07:55] <robotgeek> seaLne: so i take it as a yes? mp3's require libxine-extracodecs. ty
[07:55] <seaLne> i'd assume so
[07:56] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: yep, that works
[07:56] <seaLne> i just apt-get source libxine-extracodecs and had a look in the source
[07:56] <seaLne> so i think it looks like it
[07:56] <seaLne> ah it depends on libmad0 aswell
[07:56] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: what else do you want me to test on an almost clean install?
[07:58] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: moment, checking
[07:58] <Hobbsee> how does one make knemo work?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> it worked with a new user yesterday, but i'm not about to kill all of my new settings
[07:59] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: i guess that is all for now
[07:59] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html is where it is at. any suggestions/improvements welcome!
[08:01] <Hobbsee> ok
[08:01] <seaLne> does Kubuntu actaully mean "towards humanity" in Bemba? isn't it ubuntu that does?
[08:03] <seaLne> would be a handy language that any prefix to a word still ment the same
[08:03] <Hobbsee> ok, back in a min
[08:04] <seaLne> robotgeek: what about just removing the k from "kubuntu means ..." in the about the name?
[08:05] <robotgeek> seaLne: i just left it in there for completeness, i thought it was an interesting fact :)
[08:05] <seaLne> but does *k*ubuntu actually mean that?
[08:05] <robotgeek> yeah, it does. right from kubuntu faq!
[08:06] <seaLne> yeah but did someone just add k to the bit from ubuntu faq?
[08:06] <robotgeek> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#kubuntumeaning
[08:06] <seaLne> just might be worth confirming
[08:08] <Hobbsee> right
[08:09] <Hobbsee> why oh why is kappfinder not installed by default?
[08:10] <seaLne> ah maybe it does mean that as its mentioned on wikipedia article hmm
[08:13] <seaLne> hmm it was sladen that added the mention on the wikipedia article
[08:14] <seaLne> it just seems a bit too conveniante
[08:14] <robotgeek> heh
[08:14] <robotgeek> if it's on the internet, it must be true!
[08:18] <seaLne> and everyone knows that everything on wikipedia is acurate :)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> of course :P
[08:20] <Hobbsee> now...all the wireless fun...
[08:20] <Hobbsee> nope, keyboard shortcuts first...
[08:20] <Hobbsee> sheesh i love reinstalling lol
[08:22] <seaLne> the thing i hate about using dapper is having to logout/reboot all the time when there are updates, normally only power failures result in me rebooting
[08:22] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[08:22] <mornfall> seaLne: hmm?
[08:23] <mornfall> debian sid here, reboots or logouts very sporadically
[08:23] <mornfall> what about dapper needs that
[08:23] <seaLne> well i suppose i could not bother but, its a bit hard to say if any problems are due to running a version of a prog that isn't installed anymore
[08:24] <mornfall> so restart the program not machine?
[08:26] <seaLne> well its mainly kdebase/xorg etc that i'll logout for and udev/hal etc for reboot
[08:27] <mornfall> reboot for udev/hal? i haven't notice when we turned into windows
[08:28] <seaLne> just to be on the safe side for bug reporting/bug verifying
[08:30] <mornfall> i'd argue that when udev misbehaves after upgrade it's a bug
[08:34] <mornfall> robotgeek: compiling freenx huh
[08:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:35] <mornfall> <-- never compiled bash scripts
[08:35] <mornfall> :-)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> seems weird going to work, as i've just come back from uni
[08:35] <mornfall> bbiab
[08:35] <robotgeek> mornfall: yeah, very nice
[08:35] <seaLne> mornfall: that would explain the gcc errors he gets :)
[08:35] <robotgeek> mornfall: hey, i'm just a doc writer, not elite package master!
[08:38] <seaLne> last time i had a look the nomachines nx client didn't work for me
[08:38] <seaLne> library issues
[08:39] <robotgeek> seaLne: i am running the server on my linux machine, client is on windows machine
[08:48] <Hobbsee_> well that was painless!  and knemo is very nice!
[08:49] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: make sure you include something about knemo in your guide
[08:50] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: what does it do? is it installed by default?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: it's not installed by default, but it's a connection indicator for wired/wireless connectoins - it's been discussed in the meetings - it's just a monitor
[08:50] <robotgeek> let me install
[08:53] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: where do i enable from ? Right clicj?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> log out of kde and back in again
[08:53] <Hobbsee> seems to be the way i found - but you'd really have to ask tonio exactly how it works
[08:54] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: killall kicker && kicker & doesn't work?
[08:54] <Hobbsee> not sure
[08:55] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: is it a applet thing?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:55] <Hobbsee> want a screenie?
[08:57] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: sure, 
[08:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: does it not cause CPU load (5% or so)?
[08:59] <Lure> it does on my notebook when running on low speed (800 MHz)
[08:59] <Lure> otherwise I have to agree it is nice, particularly as we will not get knetworkmanager yet
[08:59] <Hobbsee> http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6214/snapshot16hd.png
[09:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: i'm not even seeing it in top
[09:00] <Hobbsee> what's gam_server though?
[09:00] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: where is it?
[09:00] <Hobbsee> bottom right
[09:00] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: file alteration server
[09:00] <Hobbsee> of the screenie
[09:00] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[09:01] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: i cant see it in the screenie, lol
[09:02] <Hobbsee> oh grr!
[09:02] <Hobbsee> it's where the space is!
[09:04] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7466/snapshot27ks.png
[09:05] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: cool, i will checkout after next login
[09:05] <Hobbsee> ok
[09:05] <robotgeek> and hopefully document it too
[09:22] <Hobbsee> hmmm...there must be more to configure - it cant be done yet!
[09:26] <freeflying> amarok-1.4-beta2 may use gstreamer0.10 
[09:27] <Hobbsee> thanks freeflying - forgot about amarok!
[09:29] <freeflying> Hobbsee: but I can not set the ID3tags for my locale encoding
[09:44] <seaLne> mornfall: adept notified has been showing always the red triangle icon in kicker even when there are no updates on my machine for the last few days
[10:09] <robotgeek> btw, have something happened in openoffice in dapper kubuntu?
[10:10] <seaLne> robotgeek: dist-upgrade fun?
[10:10] <robotgeek> seaLne: all i need to know is if it is going to be there on install :P
[10:10] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: yeah, they renumbered it - only oo.o2 is avalable
[10:11] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: cool, i can't see it in my Kmenu -> Office, it probably got removed i think
[10:20] <Tonio__> hello ;)
[10:22] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[10:23] <robotgeek> Hobbsee_away: wait!
[10:23] <Hobbsee_away> hmmm?
[10:23] <robotgeek> gui way to add proggies to session startup?
[10:24] <Hobbsee_away> kde usually defaults to previously saved session, doenst it?
[10:24] <Hobbsee_away> not sure about a GUI way, per se
[10:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee_away: thanks ;) knemo integration is not full perfect, I can add more cards
[10:24] <robotgeek> Hobbsee_away: okay, i have that documented, thanks 
[10:25] <seaLne> robotgeek: system settings -> user account -> session manager to change stuff tho
[10:26] <robotgeek> seaLne: hmm, that doesn't help me however. thanks anyways
[10:26] <robotgeek> now i have to document cp /usr/share/apps/file.desktop to ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:26] <seaLne> i think there was a way to save current seesion tho
[10:26] <robotgeek> seaLne: it is autosaved, i think
[10:26] <seaLne> yeah by default
[10:28] <Tonio_> interested in a default adblock filters list in konq guys ??
[10:28] <seaLne> i think that might be a good way to get sued
[10:28] <Tonio_> I suggested that to riddell yesterday, but the thing is to not activate it by default, that's not ethical
[10:28] <Tonio_> seaLne: get sued ? sorry my english is too limited :)
[10:29] <Tonio_> seaLne: you mean ?
[10:29] <seaLne> lawyers demanding money from you for loss of revenue to their clients
[10:29] <robotgeek> Tonio_: that would be nice. 
[10:29] <Tonio_> seaLne: they should ask for money to kde for implemtenting adblock too.....
[10:29] <robotgeek> Tonio_: what about konqueror profiles, is there a separate package?
[10:30] <Tonio_> robotgeek: need to decide this ;)
[10:30] <Tonio_> seaLne: in my view, as long as the filter is not installed by default, that's okay
[10:30] <seaLne> Tonio_: just think it is smething to consider worrying about :)
[10:30] <robotgeek> Tonio_: decide fast, i only have till March 23'rd for Doc String Freeze
[10:30] <Tonio_> norton  internet security removes adds out of the box
[10:31] <seaLne> k
[10:31] <Tonio_> epiphany too, just activate adblock and everything is filtered
[10:31] <Tonio_> seaLne: I agree with you it is complicated
[10:31] <Tonio_> too me if someone goes in the prefs to activate adblock, he will use a public filter
[10:32] <Tonio_> the only difference is that we make things easier for him
[10:32] <hunger> Tonio_: Wait and see: Someday you will get sued for skipping ads in newspapers.
[10:32] <seaLne> i'm not convinced by konq add blocking, i actually hate having huge add blocked images more than the adverts
[10:32] <Tonio_> but he has to decide to block adds, that's not and will not be activated by default
[10:32] <Tonio_> hunger: aol is blocking adds, norton too....
[10:32] <Tonio_> seaLne: try my filer list and you'll see ;)
[10:32] <Tonio_> I use regular expression in it, works nice
[10:33] <hunger> Tonio_: I just use privoxy...
[10:33] <seaLne> i mean a stretched red circle with line through it
[10:33] <Tonio_> hunger: I too :)
[10:33] <Tonio_> hunger: microsoft is blocking popups
[10:33] <hunger> Tonio_: Been using that for ages and did not yet see a reason to change.
[10:33] <Tonio_> that's exactly  the same
[10:33] <hunger> Damn! Those pigs!
[10:34] <hunger> Blocking pop-ups! They must be in league with satan.
[10:34] <Tonio_> hunger: I'm just saying I don't why WE would be sued
[10:34] <Tonio_> everyone allows to block adds quite easilly today
[10:34] <Tonio_> just as long as it is not activated by default, it's okay
[10:34] <hunger> Tonio_: Because we have no lawyers.
[10:35] <Tonio_> hunger: blocking adds is not illegal
[10:35] <Tonio_> maybe unethical, and even that could be discussed
[10:36] <Tonio_> hunger: privoxy comes with add removal rules right ? epiphany too
[10:36] <Tonio_> just it is not activated or installed by default, you have to decide to use that, it'll be the same for us
[10:37] <Tonio_> well that could be discussed during the meeting ;)
[11:13] <allee> Hobbsee: wb :)
[11:13] <Hobbsee> :) ty
[11:13] <Hobbsee> that proper dpi looks really nice lol
[11:13] <Tonio_> allee: systemapplet patched :)
[11:13] <allee> Tonio_: great
[11:13] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: even with the correct dpi, it seems that the stuff in the splash to login to kde seems really small - is that in your domain to fix?
[11:14] <Tonio_> allee: still the problem with kdissert.... I think the kdissert.debian is causing the issue....
[11:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, I have to
[11:14] <Tonio_> allee: what about repackaging the tarball ?
[11:14] <Hobbsee> *nods* - so you know that it seems very small?
[11:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i think that you could probably ask people to test out knemo, and seeing as they've seen what it is, ask for a revote.
[11:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: come and ask to the next meeting if you want :)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that's the meeting that i have to move, if i want to be at it
[11:20] <allee> Tonio_: as I said, I never used kdissert, can give a instructions to reproduce the problem?  Then I can check if problem is in SID too, repackaging fixes it for kbuntu
[11:21] <raphink> allee: the problem is on REVU. We can't access the files on REVU cause they're named kdissert.debian
[11:21] <Tonio_> allee: revu crashes because the name is kdissert.debian instead of kdissert ;)
[11:21] <Tonio_> allee: let me show you
[11:21] <allee> Oh :(
[11:21] <raphink> at least it seems to be the cause of the bug
[11:21] <Tonio_> look the page on revu, you'll see
[11:21] <allee> 'k
[11:22] <raphink> allee: why name it kdissert.debian anyway?
[11:22] <allee> raphink: I assume that debian pkg repackaged it
[11:22] <raphink> hmmm
[11:22] <raphink> Hobbsee: to what date?
[11:22] <Hobbsee> 16th, 1 day later
[11:22] <raphink> ok
[11:23] <Hobbsee> i was told it was ok to chang eit
[11:23] <raphink> ok for me too
[11:23] <Hobbsee> cant be a day earlier, as there's a dapper development status meeting
[11:23] <raphink> mhm
[11:23] <freeflying> the time is too early for me 
[11:23] <Hobbsee> i cant do wednesday nights - unless i can be in a meeting and drive at teh same time
[11:23] <crimsun> that's what mobiles are for
[11:23] <raphink> lol
[11:24] <allee> Tonio_: so only revu has problems, not the program itself?   btw. on REVU I only see your 2build2 -> 2ubuntu2 comment.  No comment for 4th March upload
[11:25] <Tonio_> allee: because I can't download the files :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hehe - that's illegal though
[11:25] <Tonio_> allee: try and you'll see a beatifull 403 error
[11:25] <allee> Tonio_: aahhh, yeah :)
[11:25] <Tonio_> allee: your suggestions for knemorc have been included to k-d-s ;)
[11:26] <allee> Tonio_: Quite some debian pkg have .dfsg. in it. So strange that REVU didn't run into this problem earlier ;)
[11:26] <allee> Tonio_: I'll check tonight what has changed in the tarball and rename it.
[11:27] <Tonio_> allee: perfect, let me now then I'll upload ;)
[11:27] <allee> Tonio_: did you ping siretart about the problem? (or who else manages REVU code these days)
[11:27] <Tonio_> allee: not yet....
[11:27] <Tonio_> raphink is revu admin
[11:27] <Tonio_> he could/should ask maybe ;)
[11:28] <Tonio_> rebooting; need to test a few k-d-s changes ;)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> what's the fridge-devel email address?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> fridge-devel-AT-lists.ubuntu.com?
[11:31] <raphink> yes I think so
[11:31] <Hobbsee> ah, yep
[11:32] <Hobbsee> found it, hidden at the bottom of one of the pages
[11:32] <raphink> hehe
[11:38] <Hobbsee> ok, that's changed
[11:39] <Hobbsee> they bite!
[12:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you get it through to the list?
[12:22] <Riddell> anyone want to write a main inclusion report for qtparted?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com and kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com?
[12:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[12:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, did them :)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> had to go grepping thru the history files to find out what i had to do 
[12:23] <Riddell> I don't see it on kubuntu-devel
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com is the exact address i sent it to...so...
[12:24] <Hobbsee> then again, my stuff does seem to go through pretty slowly
[12:24] <Riddell> if you're not subscribed it'll reject it
[12:25] <Hobbsee> i'm subscribed to it, i think - i keep getting the messages for it
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm *definetly* subscribed to that list.  So i  dont know what's happening
[12:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you post with the address you're subscribed to?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[12:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: send it to me and I'll try posting it, jriddell@ubuntu.com
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: was just about to ask that :)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sent
[12:50] <Hobbsee> darn, printing stopped working here!
[01:24] <freeflying> Riddell: need maininclusionreport of qparted ?
[01:24] <Riddell> freeflying: yes please :)
[01:24] <freeflying> Riddell: qparted can not  run on yestoday's livecd 
[01:27] <Riddell> freeflying: what was wrong with it?
[01:28] <freeflying> Riddell: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/livecdscreenshot/%3F%3F6.png
[01:28] <freeflying> Riddell: after this , nothing happen , qtparted haven't bring up
[01:30] <Riddell> right, I probably need to test it more then
[01:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdebase and kubuntu-default-settings uploaded, no changes
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: cool thanks
[01:40] <Riddell> thank you :)
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: actually working on k-d-s 11, still some changes
[01:41] <Tonio_> adding ksnapshot on the "print" key, konq filters (home made because licence issue), amarok fonts set (they were not), improved knemorc (thanks to allee), and change for the default log directory for konversation.... nothing to do in ~ :)
[01:42] <Riddell> why does amarok need its fonts set?
[01:43] <Tonio_> because by default it uses the first one in the font list
[01:43] <Tonio_> for OSD
[01:43] <Tonio_> which gives me Arial....
[01:43] <Riddell> curious
[01:43] <Tonio_> Should be set to DejaVu, logically
[01:43] <Riddell> yep
[01:43] <Tonio_> that's it, even curious
[01:43] <Riddell> that's a bug, we should poke amarok dudes to fix it
[01:43] <Tonio_> are you fine with ksnapshot on the print key ?
[01:44] <Tonio_> raphink asked me and I like the idea
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I will note to post a bug ;)
[01:44] <raphink> currently , there are alt+impr and ctrl+impr that copy to the clipboard
[01:44] <raphink> sorry
[01:44] <Tonio_> yes, and they will not be removed
[01:44] <raphink> I mean alt+print and ctrl+print
[01:44] <raphink> but print is not used
[01:44] <raphink> alone
[01:44] <Tonio_> exactly
[01:45] <raphink> and it used to call ksnapshot iirc
[01:45] <Tonio_> and alt+print isn't clear to use....
[01:45] <raphink> (or was it when I was on mandriva ?)
[01:45] <Tonio_> pasting to krita will be the new user logicall way to do, which is not clean
[01:45] <raphink> it's not easy either
[01:45] <raphink> no one would excpect to hve to use alt+print or ctrl+print to copy the screen to the clipboard imo
[01:46] <raphink> Riddell: also, do you think you could ask for a DB soon? 
[01:50] <Hobbsee> oh grr!
[01:51] <freeflying> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionQtparted
[01:59] <Riddell> freeflying: wonderful, thanks
[01:59] <freeflying> Riddell: my pleasure 
[02:02] <allee> Hobbsee: Thu 20.00 UTC I'm most probably on the highway :)  I'll see what I can do about it
[02:02] <Hobbsee> allee: eek really?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> guess that's normal for people all over the world
[02:03] <allee> Hobbsee: yeah
[02:05] <Riddell> who has an amd64?
[02:05] <Riddell> we need the new openoffice.org-kde tested on amd64
[02:05] <Riddell> amu? \sh_away ?
[02:06] <freeflying> Hobbsee: how about 12:00 UTC
[02:06] <Hobbsee> freeflying: let me check...
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know I'm dreaming, but do you consider tu one day changing OOo for Koffice ? dapper+1 for example ?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ah, yeah, that's do-able... - i'll get kicked off around 1.30utc though
[02:08] <Tonio_> OOo, is not very well integrated, too different from the kde spirit and logic, and so slow...........
[02:08] <Tonio_> we all love kde, and therefore should promote koffice, in my view ;)
[02:09] <freeflying> I hope kubuntu can use koffice as default in some day 
[02:09] <Tonio_> freeflying: with 1.5, that might be possible, I hope ;)
[02:09] <freeflying> Tonio_: but now I can not open doc well , also OOo's format
[02:10] <Tonio_> yes, that's wy we have to wait for opendocument to become more popular
[02:11] <freeflying> Tonio_: kspread it too weak 
[02:12] <Tonio_> freeflying: if nobody includes koffice, it will not become more popular, and therefore will not progress etc.........
[02:12] <Tonio_> freeflying: but I agree with you, some applications are not mature actually
[02:12] <Tonio_> I really hope for 1?5
[02:12] <freeflying> Tonio_: sure
[02:12] <Hobbsee> anyway, night all...
[02:13] <freeflying> Tonio_: also hope be included in dapper+1
[02:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nite
[02:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: we looked at that for breey but koffice was too buggy
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I agree, that's why I was talking about 1.5
[02:14] <Tonio_> according to the changelog, it should be way more mature
[02:15] <Tonio_> we miss a softphone.... ubuntu has one
[02:15] <freeflying> Riddell: would you build amarok-1.4beta2
[02:16] <freeflying> Riddell: it can us gstreamer0.10 now 
[02:16] <Tonio_> freeflying: why using gstreamer ? dapper is xine default based
[02:16] <Tonio_> and xine works wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better
[02:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: we'll have to see, but it doesn't have such good MS import, i doesn't have MS export at all and KWord isn't great and won't be until qt 4
[02:16] <freeflying> Tonio_: someone would use gstreamer
[02:17] <Riddell> freeflying: I'm not at home so can'treally package it, but I saw the gstreamer stuff that's very cool
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[02:17] <freeflying> Riddell: I've built it 
[02:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact not exporting in msoffice formats will not be a great problem when office12 is out, cause it will support opendocument
[02:19] <freeflying> Tonio_: can you tell me way to play ape file with amrok-xin 
[02:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: you think MS will include opendocument support?
[02:19] <Tonio_> freeflying: no idea, I never used this format
[02:19] <freeflying> s/amarok-xin/amarok-xine
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not thinking, I know it ;)
[02:20] <Riddell> I'll believe it when I see it
[02:20] <seaLne> no doubt rendering it very baddly tho to sow that .doc is much better
[02:20] <Tonio_> MS made the information public a few month ago
[02:20] <Tonio_> seaLne: that's possible, yes
[02:21] <Riddell> mornfall: mvo was saying we should look at the proprietry software support in gnome-app-install
[02:22] <Riddell> mornfall: the current app-install-data has a .desktop for skype with some new fields and a file for copy to /etc/apt/sources.d/
[02:23] <Riddell> and it pops up a dialogue with the licence pointed to in the .desktop file
[02:24] <Riddell> I suspect it's too much for post feature freeze but would be nice to have
[02:24] <mornfall> Riddell: feature freeze
[02:24] <mornfall> i'd say it's *way* too late now
[02:24] <Riddell> yeah, I agree
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: checking news, they finally deceided to avoid implementing opendocument ;) hehe
[02:25] <hunger> kubuntu is frozen now?
[02:25] <Riddell> for new features, unless they are in a spe
[02:25] <Riddell> spec
[02:26] <hunger> Riddell: No chance to get some zeroconf-config files in then?
[02:26] <mornfall> feature freeze was ages ago
[02:26] <mornfall> it's not like it was a surprize or anything :)
[02:35] <Riddell> hunger: how do you mean?
[02:43] <amu> Riddell: pong
[02:43] <freeflying> amu: how about your livecd now 
[02:44] <Riddell> amu: can you test openoffice.org-kde on amd64?  no rush
[02:45] <amu> freeflying: at afternoon i'll start  
[02:45] <Riddell> amu: nice poster :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/patrickschulze/108327734/in/set-72057594075824436/
[02:45] <freeflying> amu: how to mount fat automatically
[02:45] <amu> Riddell: would be a small problem, my amd64 isnt installed atm :(  
[02:47] <amu> Riddell: hehe, btw. that is the new Macbook, tried that kubuntu runs on it :)  
[02:47] <freeflying> amu: wow, macbook ?
[02:49] <mornfall> i'm wondering where people get $$$ for hardware
[02:49] <amu> freeflying: what do you mean with how i mount a fat 
[02:49] <freeflying> amu: in livecd
[02:50] <amu> mornfall: with a good job, some dreams comes true 
[02:50] <freeflying> amu: I wanna mount all fat or other patitions automatically when guys log into livecd 
[02:50] <amu> freeflying: hmm i've a fat part. on a usb-stick, pmount mounts it automatic 
[02:51] <freeflying> amu: but others may have many 
[02:53] <amu> Riddell: next thing after the freeflying liveCD, i'll collect all artwork and put it to an stand-page, the pi, i paied 37EUR for this poster 
[02:53] <amu> s/the pi//
[02:53] <amu> freeflying: you mean it isnt automatic mounted if a user run a fat part. ? 
[02:54] <freeflying> amu: I'm customiseing dapper now 
[02:54] <freeflying> Riddell: may you uplaod http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2102
[02:55] <amu> freeflying: i'll not agree with the design of dapper, but that's not my buisness :)     
[02:56] <freeflying> amu: it will give users more coveniency
[02:56] <raphink> anyone could confirm that kipi-plugins don't work with dikam atm?
[02:56] <raphink> s/dikam/digikam/
[02:57] <freeflying> raphink: I can not isntalled it 
[02:57] <raphink> what cannot you install freeflying?
[02:58] <freeflying> kipi-plugins
[02:58] <raphink> ah ?
[02:58] <raphink> just tested : it works on sid ...
[02:59] <amu> freeflying: for the endusers it doesnt matter, which kind of technic it will be used, for the enduser it is important that it is stable, the apps works, and there are features on the CD which where needed by the users itself 
[02:59] <freeflying> raphink: can be installed now 
[02:59] <raphink> ok
[02:59] <freeflying> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2102
[02:59] <raphink> but when you go the settings can you see the plugins ?
[02:59] <Riddell> freeflying: do you have a UVF exception?
[02:59] <raphink> freeflying: not now sorry
[02:59] <freeflying> Riddell: sure 
[03:00] <amu> IF 1 component ist ready/stable now, its a risc to publish it. 
[03:00] <freeflying> Riddell: [21:55]  <cjwatson> I've given the exception already, since it's targeted at main
[03:01] <amu> same as my opinion about knetworkconf, it's nowadays normal that users use wireless, if kubuntu doesnt support a wireless setup, it will a "not to use argument"
[03:02] <freeflying> amu: but as for chinese or japnese users , it will need configure works for diplaying fonts in a fat patition
[03:06] <amu> freeflying: i'm not saying it isnt good to have, but as a free project, i think i'm also a part of this project, for ME it is much more important, that the desktop _works_, which KDE version it doesnt matter, if it works stable than apply new features on it, working on 1 thing together, than rollout new things. 
[03:07] <freeflying> amu: agree with you 
[03:07] <amu> freeflying: hell, and why isnt knetworkconf "in" ? 
[03:08] <freeflying> amu: in where?
[03:09] <amu> freeflying: in the default-install  
[03:10] <Riddell> knetworkconf is in default install
[03:10] <Riddell> it's just not very good, knetworkmanager will hopefully be much better for dapper+1
[03:10] <amu> Riddell: i cannot setup my wireless with it :) 
[03:10] <allee> freeflying: still problem with kipi-plugins
[03:10] <allee> +?
[03:10] <freeflying> allee: ask raphink 
[03:11] <Riddell> freeflying: how come this scim module has its own kcm panel?
[03:11] <freeflying> Riddell: the upstream author add 
[03:11] <allee> freeflying: will do :)
[03:11] <allee> raphink: still problems with kipi-plugins?
[03:13] <freeflying> Riddell: knetworkmanager perform better ?
[03:18] <raphink> allee: seems you fixed the problems in Debian but it wasn't synced
[03:18] <raphink> allee: I've just built the debian version in dapper to see if that works
[03:21] <allee> raphink: oh!  *hides*
[03:21] <raphink> ok it works
[03:21] <raphink> so digikam just has to be merged from Debian 
[03:21] <raphink> and that will fix this bug
[03:21] <raphink> I'll file a UVFer
[03:22] <allee> raphink: wait with digikam, it break with AMD64
[03:22] <raphink> ah?
[03:24] <raphink> allee: in debian you mean?
[03:24] <allee> raphink: yes, alioth has a fix. But I got no feedback from AMD64 yet.
[03:24] <raphink> hmm
[03:24] <Riddell> freeflying: it does
[03:25] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[03:25] <raphink> allee: well I'm concerned that kipi plugins can't be used on dapper though
[03:25] <raphink> allee: I think there are more people wanting to use flickr export on i386 than people using kubuntu 64
[03:25] <allee> raphink: kipi-plugins is independent of digikam.  Sync it whenever you want.
[03:25] <raphink> I might be wrong
[03:25] <freeflying> Riddell: knetworkmanager isn't in dapper now ?
[03:25] <raphink> allee: digikam can't use kipi-plugins in dapper
[03:26] <raphink> it's not kipi-plugins that are broken, but digikam
[03:26] <allee> raphink: UHHHH what???????
[03:26] <raphink> it's the libkipi build-dep issue 
[03:26] <raphink> that you fixed in debian
[03:26] <raphink> and not in ubuntu
[03:26] <raphink> it seems digikam is not built with kipi support in dapper
[03:26] <raphink> building the latest version in debian works
[03:27] <raphink> other option is to just add these build-deps as -0ubuntu2
[03:27] <raphink> so we don't request a sync ;)
[03:27] <raphink> it's dirty though imo ;)
[03:28] <raphink> allee: http://pastebin.com/586935
[03:28] <allee> raphink: mhmm the last libkipi change in debian where due to C++ transitions.  
[03:28] <raphink> allee: these are the chnages missing in dapper
[03:29] <raphink> allee: well I don't know. I just know that building the debian version in dapper fixes the bug
[03:30] <allee> raphink: have you access to a AMD64?
[03:30] <raphink> nope
[03:30] <raphink> well I have access to an amd64 running kubuntu i386 ;)
[03:30] <raphink> so it won't help 
[03:31] <allee> so I install AMD64 tonight and check if latest fix works there.  Then we can sync.
[03:32] <raphink> sure
[03:32] <raphink> :)
[03:32] <raphink> well not sync rather merge
[03:32] <raphink> since we have this rosetta patch in ubuntu ;)
[03:32] <raphink> I could set an amd64 pbuilder on the amd64 I have access to
[03:33] <allee> raphink: problem is that I had a report that jpegs weren't identified as such in AMD64 (with the new PPC patch applied)
[03:34] <raphink> ah!
[03:34] <raphink> :(
[03:34] <raphink> weird
[03:34] <allee> raphink: so building is not the problem, but verifiying that it works on amd64
[03:34] <raphink> allee: well I could test it through ssh too ;)
[03:34] <allee> raphink: yeah, litte versus big endian :(
[03:35] <allee> raphink: yes
[03:35] <allee> see http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/src-only/
[03:35] <raphink> hmm
[03:35] <raphink> the image editor doesn't work (i386, last debian version built on dapper)
[03:36] <mornfall> see, it's freeze for a reasnon
[03:36] <mornfall> reason*
[03:36] <raphink> hmm
[03:36] <mornfall> change something and something unrelated breaks
[03:36] <raphink> :s
[03:36] <mornfall> and you won't find out
[03:37] <raphink> hmm
[03:37] <mornfall> it's not to be generally annoying you know
[03:37] <allee> raphink: try the -4 in above link.  If you have problem there.  Then report  -2 and -3 are broken
[03:37] <raphink> hmm ok
[03:37] <raphink> I'll building this one
[03:52] <hunger> Keybuk: md is for software raid and lvm is the best thing since sliced bread.
[03:53] <allee> hunger: wrong channel? :)
[03:53] <hunger> allee: yes, AGAIN!
[03:53] <hunger> sorry
[03:53] <raphink> allee: everything seems to work with -4 on dapper :D
[03:53] <raphink> well done :)
[03:53] <allee> raphink: :)
[03:54] <raphink> allee: http://packages.raphink.net/ubuntu/pool/dapper/digikam_0.8.1-4_i386.deb if you feel like testing it ;)
[03:54] <allee> raphink: I have this version since a week running ;)
[03:55] <raphink> hehe 
[03:55] <raphink> should have guessed
[03:55] <raphink> allee: but it's not in sid yet
[03:55] <raphink> allee: when do you think it will be in sid?
[03:55] <apokryphos> new digiKam is great 8)
[03:55] <allee> raphink: yeah, I waited for the AMD64-okay. 
[03:55] <raphink> allee: ah ok
[03:56] <allee> I'll install AMD64 and test myself
[03:56] <raphink> allee: it would be good if we could get that in dapper soon
[03:58] <freeflying> Riddell: where is the source package of amarok-1.4beta1
[03:59] <apokryphos> freeflying: just make it a deb-src line
[03:59] <apokryphos> so, deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta1 dapper main
[03:59] <freeflying> apokryphos: thx
[04:04] <allee> raphink: as soon as I've tried AMD64 I'll ask for an upload.
[04:05] <raphink> ok :)
[04:08] <allee> apokryphos: agreed!
[04:17] <freeflying> raphink: can not use kipi-plugin in your digikam 
[04:23] <Tonio_> hum, can someone plz confirm this : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118924
[04:23] <Tonio_> this is a major bug and nobody in kde seems to be interested for 3 month....
[04:29] <raphink> Malone #29895
[04:29] <raphink> grr ubotu is not here
[04:29] <raphink> ubugtu
[04:30] <Tm_T> should be
[04:31] <raphink> yes indeed
[04:31] <raphink> anyone can invite it?
[04:36] <raphink> Riddell: did you upload hunger's fix in kdepim?
[04:37] <Riddell> raphink: no, where is it?
[04:37] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/31923
[04:37] <raphink> there are other ones
[04:37] <raphink> I'm about to make another patch
[04:37] <raphink> for kdepim
[04:38] <raphink> there are other ones to submit
[04:39] <raphink> there's the kalarm one too
[04:39] <raphink> Riddell: I've assigned all these bugs to you
[04:39] <raphink> I guess this is not the way for you to see them
[04:42] <Riddell> best to poke me on IRC if there's stuff I need to look at stuff
[04:42] <raphink> ok
[04:42] <raphink> Riddell: well could you upload the first fix ?
[04:42] <Riddell> and keep reminding me until I do it :)
[04:42] <raphink> or shall I put all the fixes together in one upload?
[04:43] <raphink> if you prefer I can do that
[04:43] <raphink> since now I'm adding a fix to kmail
[04:43] <Riddell> raphink: put them all together, no point doing more uploads than we have to
[04:43] <raphink> ok
[04:43] <raphink> I'll send you the diff directly then
[04:44] <Riddell> thanks
[04:44] <Riddell> I also need to make that OnlyShowIn=KDE change in KDE too
[04:45] <raphink> ok
[04:45] <raphink> well I'll do it in kdepim
[04:45] <raphink> and fix the kmail/contacts at the same time
[04:57] <raphink> Riddell: did you ping to get a DB for kubuntu.org ?
[04:58] <hunger> Tonio_: FC is not a solution either. Minimal Install: no X server but a complete gnome environment:-(
[04:58] <hunger> Tonio_: But Xen works out of the box:-)
[04:59] <Tonio_> hunger: hehe ;)
[05:15] <hunger> Any estimation on when suspend will work again in kubuntu?
[06:30] <Riddell> raphink: got any requirements?  I suspect that server has postgres on it
[06:30] <Riddell> it's the same server as fridge
[06:31] <raphink> I don't hink it suppots mysql
[06:31] <raphink> I'll hceck
[06:31] <Riddell> what?
[06:31] <raphink> sorry
[06:31] <raphink> hehe
[06:31] <raphink> I don't think it supports postgres
[06:31] <raphink> ;)
[06:31] <Riddell> what doesn't?
[06:31] <raphink> hmm wordpress
[06:31] <raphink> :s
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we create a little wikipage resuming the most important bugs and TODO things for dapper ?
[06:32] <raphink> the idea was to use wordpress
[06:32] <raphink> well we might find something else :)
[06:32] <raphink> like dotclear or so
[06:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, sure
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll do toonight at home
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also will send you a knew version of k-d-s
[06:33] <Tonio_> hum, postgres and not mysql ?
[06:33] <Riddell> raphink: ah, the server does have mysql on it
[06:34] <raphink> nice :)
[06:34] <Tonio_> I saw wordpress and it is incredibly nice ;) much better than doclear according to me
[06:34] <raphink> I don't know dotclear
[06:34] <raphink> but I've been using wordpress since yesterday
[06:34] <raphink> and I'm amazed by it :)
[06:34] <raphink> this is a great work 
[06:35] <Tonio_> raphink: dotclear is nice too, but wordpress looks more consistent to me
[06:35] <raphink> mhm
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw there was graphic stuff in the way for kubuntu, sounds good.
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I remove the ksplash from my todo list then ?
[06:36] <Tonio_> or is it only for wallpaper anc icons ?
[06:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, I'll be lookin at ksplash this week
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: sad to remove moodin, but there are to many issues with it...
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have a look too
[06:41] <Tonio_> going back home, seya
[07:15] <Riddell> robotgeek: cool stuff announcing desktop guide, thanks for taking the inititive with that
[07:16] <Riddell> robotgeek: what's this about the styling?  you mean just that it doesn't have the nice headers on the help.u.c site?
[07:25] <robotgeek> Riddell: just that it seems poorly styled, and a few links are not clickable
[07:28] <Riddell> robotgeek: help:/kubuntu/desktopguide/index.html  ?
[07:29] <Riddell> if you're on dapper
[07:30] <robotgeek> Riddell: that works, i'm guessing that is not automagic :P
[07:31] <Riddell> so you're just complaining that http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html doesn't have the nice graphics at the top?
[07:32] <Riddell> that just needs fixing on the webserver
[07:36] <robotgeek> Riddell: yeah, mostly that. what stylesheet should i be using?
[07:37] <Riddell> robotgeek: it uses the default kde ones, they just need to be installed on the web server
[07:37] <robotgeek> Riddell: ah, okay. do you have root there? :)
[07:38] <Riddell> nope
[07:38] <Riddell> I don't know the exact files used off the top of my head
[07:38] <robotgeek> Riddell: plus the page you pointed me to, it says feedback and links to KDE doc team. tha tmight need to change
[07:41] <robotgeek> hey jjesse 
[07:42] <Lure> Sime: ping
[07:43] <Riddell> robotgeek: yes, we probably need a local copy of the stylesheets when creating the HTML docs or something
[07:43] <jjesse> hiya robotgeek
[07:43] <Riddell> docs build systems take up too much time though, in my humble opinion
[07:44] <jjesse> whats up?
[07:45] <raphink> Riddell: email sent with the (tested) patch
[07:46] <robotgeek> Riddell: i'm ending up testing all my files with yelp, actually
[07:47] <jjesse> robotgeek: why not using the validate.sh script to make sure they validate?
[07:47] <jjesse> if they validate then the doc is good 
[07:48] <jjesse_meeting> bummer meeting :(
[07:48] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[07:48] <Riddell> Mez: pong
[07:49] <Mez> Riddell: I'm going to be requesting an UVF exception for katapult
[07:49] <Mez> if that's ok with you
[07:50] <robotgeek> jjesse_meeting: yeah, i know. the validate works fine, except that it doesn't give exact errors sometimes. then i use use checkXMl, which takes longer, but is very good
[07:50] <Mez> we've just fixed a few things in it - plus the major bug that hit us with immodule - and I'd love to see it updated (as it fixes quite a few segfaults too)
[07:50] <Mez> Riddell, i wanted to pass it by yu first though
[07:53] <raphink> Riddell: did you get my email?
[07:53] <Riddell> Mez: sure, go for it
[07:54] <raphink> woot! a patch for kopete file transfers from msn 7! :D
[07:55] <Mez> Riddell, cool - want me to pass the files through you first ?
[07:55] <Sime> Lure: pong
[07:56] <Lure> Sime: I am debugging displayconfig, as latest does not fix my bug 32915
[07:56] <Lure> I just added a note there - problem with PCI parsing
[07:56] <Lure> just looking into ScanPCI.py
[07:56] <Sime> oh, that's your bug. :)
[07:56] <Sime> wait a sec
[07:57] <Riddell> Mez: if you could just take care of it that would be great, I'm quite busy this week
[07:57] <Riddell> raphink: doing now..
[07:57] <raphink> Riddell: thanks
[07:57] <Mez> Riddell, no problem
[07:57] <raphink> Riddell: I'm about to fix kopete file transfer for msn :)
[07:57] <raphink> with a patch released yesterday :)
[07:58] <Lure> raphink: great - this will improve my work experience (need file transfer in msn)
[07:58] <raphink> yes, this is a pain right now 
[07:58] <Riddell> raphink: is that kmail patch from a KDE bug report?
[07:59] <raphink> Riddell: yes
[07:59] <Riddell> raphink: wordpress should be ok on the kubuntu web server
[08:00] <Riddell> (says sysadmin)
[08:00] <raphink> Riddell: well since it was just one line, I made it again with cdbs-edit-patch but it's exactly the same as from the KDE BTS
[08:00] <raphink> Riddell: and I tested it : it works great
[08:00] <Riddell> raphink: we should include the KDE bugzilla number in the changelog is all
[08:00] <raphink> ah 
[08:01] <raphink> well can you add it to the changelog and just sign the package as suchN?
[08:01] <Riddell> certainly can
[08:01] <raphink> I'll give you the bug number
[08:01] <Sime> Lure: OK, I've sent you some mail.
[08:01] <raphink> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121337
[08:01] <raphink> Riddell: KDE Bug #121337
[08:02] <Sime> Lure: that is my experimental data gathering tool. (alpha version 0.0001 or something)
[08:05] <Lure> Sime: sent collected data. Hope it helps...
[08:05] <uniq> anyone with a ipod up for testing new ipodslave package?
[08:07] <Sime> Lure: is that PCI express?
[08:07] <Lure> maybe (I can check spec) - it should be ATI FireGL V5000
[08:08] <Lure> (only reported as X700)
[08:08] <Sime> Lure: new laptop?
[08:08] <Lure> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HPNW8240/Kubuntu
[08:08] <Lure> for me yes, but I think it is cca 9 months on market
[08:11] <Lure> spec says: ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 with discrete PCI Express; 128 MB
[08:16] <Lure> Sime: in ScanPCI.PCIBus.detect is still Module: fglrx_pci, checking further
[08:16] <Sime> just commited a fix for #26175
[08:18] <Sime> Lure: your card just doesn't appear to be in the pcitable file.
[08:18] <Lure> Sime: great - I was also burnt by this one ;-)
[08:19] <Lure> ENTRY:  PCI:1:0:0 Vendor:1002 Device:5653, Module:fglrx_pci
[08:19] <Lure> this is printed in ScanPCI.py, line 99
[08:20] <Sime> huh?
[08:21] <Lure> OPEN:  PCI:1:0:0 Vendor:1002 Device:5653, Subvendor:103c, Subdevice:940, Class:300, Module:fglrx_pci
[08:21] <Lure> (line 125)
[08:22] <Sime> fglrx_pci didn't come out of the pcitable file. Is it  in /proc/bus/pci/devices?
[08:22] <Lure> it is
[08:23] <Lure> after PIIX_IDE and before tg3
[08:24] <Sime> unfortunately my script didn't snarf /proc/bus/pci/devices. :-/
[08:25] <Sime> I need to find some more up to date pci device info.
[08:25] <Lure> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/587456
[08:26] <Lure> (just cut-out around fglrx_pci)
[08:27] <Lure> Sime: isGfxCard() checks for "Card:" or "Server:xFree86" in module
[08:27] <Lure> this looks strange if you look at what PCI returns
[08:28] <Lure> I am putting additional instrumentation around all .module changes
[08:28] <Sime> module is filled in by looking up the device ID in the pcitable file.
[08:28] <Lure> in order to catch location where "fglrx_pci" get changed to "unknown"
[08:29] <Sime> fglrx_pci is just hte name of the kernel module that currently has control of that pci device.
[08:29] <Lure> ok, I get it...
[08:29] <Sime> the code is working correctly. the data file is out of date.
[08:30] <Lure> where is the data file?
[08:31] <Lure> got it: /usr/share/apps/guidance/pcitable
[08:31] <Sime> yeah.
[08:31] <Sime> I use wajig for that kind of thing (instead of apt directly)
[08:31] <Sime> wajig listfiles kde-guidance
[08:33] <Lure> I used "slocate pcitable" actually ;-)
[08:36] <Sime> ok, I've got the latest pcitable file from mandriva. lets see....
[08:36] <Lure> I have changed "unknown" to "Card: ATI Radeon (fglrx)" and it works
[08:37] <Riddell> raphink: kdepim uploaded
[08:37] <raphink> Riddell: :D :D
[08:37] <raphink> Riddell: I'm doing the kopete patch again cause it won't apply
[08:37] <Lure> Sime: I will document this workaround in bug (as there were other similar reports)
[08:38] <Lure> Sime: is it normal that entering Admin mode switches to text (for a sec) and back?
[08:39] <Sime> Lure: huh?
[08:39] <Sime> Lure: text?
[08:39] <Lure> I have seen some "dmesg" like messages for a second, the KDE again
[08:39] <Sime> Lure: your card is still listed as unknown in the current pcitable.
[08:40] <Lure> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/587485
[08:40] <Lure> This was on screen when switching mode...
[08:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: just sent you a new version of k-d-s
[08:42] <Tonio_> should be the last before a while now ;)
[08:42] <Sime> Lure: does you card also work in the OS ati driver?
[08:43] <Sime> Lure: OSS, i mean
[08:43] <Lure> Yes, with minor hints in Xorg.conf 
[08:44] <Lure> I can try to reproduce with "ati" also.
[08:45] <Lure> (but I will first switch back to original .py scripts w/o my instrumentation)
[08:47] <Sime> Lure: what is "minor hints"? did it not work out-of-the-box?
[08:47] <Lure> Sime: just DisplayLayout and DisplaySize (it is on my LaptopTesting page)
[08:48] <Lure> Sime: reproduce with original: it switches to text (I see boot messages - starting kdm)
[08:48] <Lure> but this time no X error (as in last paste)
[08:49] <Sime> Lure: when DisplayLayout is missing, I guess you don't see anything? y/n
[08:49] <Tonio_> if you have a few points to give for a bug on bugs.kde.org -> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118924
[08:49] <Lure> yes
[08:49] <Tonio_> major issue for dapper actually.....
[08:50] <Lure> Tonio_: agree - to scared to even try it...
[08:50] <Tonio_> Lure: backup before ;)
[08:51] <Lure> Tonio_: actually I started using keep - AFAIR, you are guilty for it - thanks
[08:51] <Tonio_> Lure: JRe is, I only packaged :)
[08:52] <Lure> Sime: even if I run "kdesu kcmshell displayconfig" it switches to text mode first
[08:52] <Tonio_> it is the only issue that I think we will not be able to correct without the help of kde...
[08:52] <Tonio_> and they don't seem very interested actually
[08:52] <Lure> JRe: thank you too (for keep)
[08:53] <Sime> Lure: I don't know what is going on with the textmode thing.
[08:53] <Lure> Sime: will submit bug and try to debug - I suspect some command
[08:54] <Lure> Sime: BTW, didn;t you last time asked on irc to run some command to detect resolution?
[08:54] <Sime> Lure: does running xresprobe as root give the same effect?
[08:54] <Lure> that was it - I had the same problem last time...
[08:54] <Lure> what I need to specify as argument to xresprobe?
[08:55] <Lure> xresprobe --help => OK
[08:56] <Lure> sudo xresprobe --help => switches to text mode
[08:57] <Lure> Sime: will try with both "ati" and "fglrx" (maybe also "radeon") and will report in bug
[08:57] <Lure> it is just ugly, but everything is fine when back to KDE
[08:57] <Sime> sudo xresprobe dummy
[08:57] <Sime> what then?
[08:58] <Lure> then maybe we should ask upstream?
[08:58] <Sime> you have to manually switch back to X?
[08:58] <Lure> no, it does automatically
[08:58] <Lure> it is in text mode for less than a second
[09:01] <Lure> Sime: BTW, xresprobe anyway does not return anything useful on my laptop
[09:01] <Sime> Lure: ok, that doesn't sound too bad.
[09:01] <Sime> Lure: yes I saw that is didn't return anything
[09:05] <Sime|AFK> back later
[09:12] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[09:13] <allee> Tonio_: pong!
[09:13] <Tonio_> allee: I have a really bad feeling with that kmail bug
[09:13] <Tonio_> shouldn't we post on the kmail-devel list or something ?
[09:13] <Tonio_> because if we don't I really feel we will release dapper without a patch for this
[09:14] <raphink> and this is a major bug
[09:14] <Tonio_> 3 1/2 month and not even a message on the bug page.....
[09:14] <Tonio_> clearly yes, major
[09:14] <raphink> upstream seems to ignore this bug
[09:14] <raphink> and we don't have a clue on how to fix it
[09:14] <Tonio_> raphink: or don't care
[09:15] <raphink> hmm
[09:15] <raphink> well such a huge bug ...
[09:15] <allee> toma_: when you're back: Care to look at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120093 and http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118924  
[09:15] <allee> toma_: any suggestion how best to proceed?
[09:15] <Tonio_> I don't care with cups and kdeprint, I could bet my salary it'll be resoved soon, but this one seems really hard to manage when you don't know kdepim
[09:16] <robotgeek> Tonio_: wow, that looks like a serious bug
[09:16] <Tonio_> robotgeek: major, yes
[09:16] <raphink> robotgeek: it is, and old too
[09:16] <raphink> robotgeek: my mom lost her contacts about 30 times before knowing how to reproduce
[09:16] <Tonio_> the kind of bugs that can ruin the reputation of a distro released with :)
[09:17] <raphink> robotgeek: this bug is the reason why I've set a daily backup of ~ for my mom ;)
[09:17] <Tonio_> raphink: does your mom ALWAYS close open mails ? ;)
[09:17] <raphink> Tonio_: it seems so
[09:17] <Tonio_> hehe
[09:17] <raphink> Tonio_: always the same one maybe
[09:17] <raphink> ;)
[09:17] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i might do so too, now i have to be careful
[09:18] <raphink> allee: :D
[09:19] <allee> yeah, even today a new upstream fix for a debian bug report ;)
[09:19] <raphink> great
[09:19] <raphink> :)
[09:28] <kmon> hi
[09:28] <kmon> The lastest kubuntu-default-settings package has broken konqueror's system:/ sidebar
[09:29] <kmon> I've filed #33917
[09:29] <Tm_T> Tonio_: someone's asking you
[09:30] <Tonio_> kmon: that's wanted ;)
[09:30] <Tonio_> kmon: what issue does it create ?
[09:30] <kmon> konqueror's system side bar gives 2 errors
[09:30] <kmon> I've attached the screenshots in that bug
[09:30] <Tonio_> kmon: ho damn I didn't look there
[09:30] <Tm_T> url please
[09:31] <kmon> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33917
[09:32] <Tonio_> kmon right, I have to look at that
[09:32] <kmon> ok, thanxs Tonio_
[09:33] <kmon> I think it's a nice idea to have the recent patch you did in kubuntu
[09:33] <kmon> there are many bugs related to the system:/ kio
[09:34] <kmon> mmmm
[09:34] <kmon> may I ask what's the new bar added to konqueror?
[09:35] <Tm_T> Tonio_: raphink: and others, ping
[09:35] <kmon> it's a search bar
[09:35] <raphink> Tm_T: pong
[09:35] <kmon> next to google's one
[09:35] <Tm_T> seveas is ready to put ubugtu bot to this channel if noones's against it
[09:36] <Tm_T> Seveas: right?
[09:36] <Seveas> yup, I just wanna hear some +1/-1 votes
[09:36] <Tm_T> oerr, I do need some sleep
[09:37] <Tm_T> +1: we talk about bugs here :)
[09:37] <Tonio_> kmon: well it is ok for the systemapplet, but I have to check why it breaks the sidebar....
[09:37] <Tonio_> should be veryy complicated
[09:38] <kmon> Tonio_: and what about the new search bar that has appeared?
[09:38] <kmon> you can see that in the screenshots
[09:38] <Lure> and it is only shown in File manager profile
[09:38] <kmon> yes
[09:38] <kmon> a bug?
[09:39] <Seveas> Tonio_, raphink, Riddell ?
[09:40] <Riddell> Seveas: hmm?
[09:40] <Seveas> Riddell, see above
[09:40] <raphink> Seveas: yes?
[09:41] <Seveas> Ubugtu in here yes or no?
[09:41] <Riddell> fine with me
[09:41] <Seveas> raphink, same to you 
[09:41] <raphink> sure
[09:41] <Seveas> ok
[09:41] <raphink> I want ubugtu here please
[09:41] <Seveas> there ya go
[09:41] <raphink> thanks much :)
[09:42] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer
[09:42] <Ubugtu> True
[09:42] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.snarftarget
[09:42] <Ubugtu> malone
[09:42] <Seveas> sounds ok to me
[09:42] <kmon> so... the new searchbar? it's a feature or a bug?
[09:43] <Lure> is this bug 26279
[09:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 26279 in kdebase konqueror "No Way to Turn Off "Google Suggest" Search Engine" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/26279
[09:43] <Lure> Ubugtu: thank you ;-)
[09:43] <Seveas> well have fun with it
[09:43] <Seveas> I'm out
[09:45] <kmon> do you want me to file a bug about the new searchbar or it's already known?
[09:47] <raphink> Riddell: kopete fix sent
[09:51] <Tonio_> Ubugtu: known problem, tvo is patching :)
[09:51] <raphink> Lathiat: how is kded bug going?
[09:51] <raphink> Tonio_: that's why it says "In progress"
[09:51] <tvo> just put it on it
[09:52] <raphink> kopete msn 7 file transfer works :)
[09:52] <tvo> I can should already be able to provide a new searchbar patch which splits searchbar and googlebar so you can turn it off
[09:52] <tvo> just need to fix one bug
[09:56] <toma> allee: yeah, stupid bug in addressbook
[09:56] <allee> toma: fixable?
[09:57] <toma> allee: hmm, need to check that. 
[09:57] <allee> that would be great
[09:57] <toma> allee: if it is that easy reproducable, it should be fixable
[10:03] <Lure> Sime|AFK: "ati" driver does not switch to text due to "xresprobe" in displayconfig - only "fglrx"
[10:16] <raphink> Riddell: did you get my debdiff?
[10:26] <Lure> Sime|AFK: correction - Display applet work, xresprobe still has issue - see bug 33931
[10:26] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33931 in xresprobe "Kubuntu Display applet causes temporary switch to text mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33931
[10:32] <raphink> it's great to have Ubugtu here :)
[10:33] <mornfall> oh wow!
[10:33] <mornfall> someone made malone bug list less braindead
[10:33] <Lure> mornfall: true ;-)
[10:34] <mornfall> i'm not sure why normal sorts between wishlist and minor, but well
[10:36] <Sime> Lure: displayconfig should not crash if the card can't be fully detected. Also it should be able to detect that is a gfxcard just by looking at the pci bus.
[10:36] <Sime> Lure: looks like I've got some work to do.
[10:37] <tvo> Tonio_: to whom may I sent a new googlebar patch one it's ready?
[10:37] <mornfall> what googlebar patch
[10:37] <Lure> Sime: if you need any help in debugging/testing, let me know 
[10:37] <Tonio_> tvo: Riddell
[10:37] <Sime> Lure: sure
[10:38] <Sime> Lure: BTW, is you laptop widescreen?
[10:38] <tvo> mornfall: bugfix in the google suggest custom kubuntu searchbar
[10:38] <tvo> Tonio_: ok
[10:39] <Lure> Sime: yes - 1920x1200
[10:41] <Sime> Lure: cool, I've also got to some (biggish) work on the widescreen stuff. more modelines etc. hiding 4:3 resolutions etc.
[10:45] <Lure> Sime: cool 
[10:52] <raphink> allee: why do you release kdissert (1.0.5.debian-2ubuntu2) after kdissert (1.0.5.debian-2build1)
[10:52] <raphink> allee: I think it should be 2ubuntu1 before
[10:53] <allee> hmm, right
[10:53] <raphink> allee: I'll change the version number
[10:54] <allee> raphink: do you know why kdissert isn't downloadable from REVU
[10:54] <allee> +?
[10:54] <raphink> it seems to be linked to the fact that it's numbered .debian
[10:54] <raphink> the versions that are not numbered with .debian work
[10:54] <raphink> I see no other explanation
[10:54] <raphink> the chmods are right
[10:54] <allee> raphink: ah
[10:55] <raphink> it doesn't matter allee it's not a new package so I can just review it and upload it
[10:55] <allee> raphink: ok, so you change version and upload.  Good :)
[10:56] <raphink> yesh
[10:56] <raphink> I'll check it first though ;)
[10:57] <allee> raphink: I've asked Mark for a Digikam upload to debian.  Then I'll plan to ask for a sync.  Is that okay for you?
[10:57] <raphink> allee: sorry for taking so long
[10:57] <raphink> allee: that is fine for me, if you do quick
[10:57] <raphink> :)
[10:57] <raphink> cause if there's a need for the time to be in Debian
[10:57] <allee> raphink: depends on my sponsor ;)
[10:57] <raphink> then the need for the time to get an UVFe
[10:58] <allee> raphink: he uploaded kvpnc tonight.  Maybe if he still has time for digikam ... 
[10:59] <raphink> allee: :)
[10:59] <raphink> allee: would he have time for kyamo for me by any chance ?
[11:00] <toma> allee: ping
[11:00] <allee> no idea. Hard to catch him lately because he has endless DSL trouble
[11:00] <allee> toma: pong
[11:00] <raphink> :(
[11:00] <toma> allee: looks like it solved already http://rafb.net/paste/results/v9yErP98.html
[11:00] <mornfall> i'm wondering what's UVF for if i hear all day and night about people asking for exceptions
[11:01] <raphink> toma: and were is the diff? I only see a diffstat
[11:02] <toma> raphink: just pulled it from the commit list, i can get one for you of course
[11:02] <allee> raphink: svn diff -r 512374:512375 should do the trick
[11:02] <toma> yep
[11:02] <raphink> :)
[11:02] <raphink> I don't have a copy of the kde trunk here
[11:02] <toma> not trunk, branch!
[11:02] <raphink> ah
[11:03] <allee> raphink: svn diff works with URLs too
[11:03] <raphink> :)
[11:03] <raphink> so I can get it from websvn.kde.org ?
[11:04] <Mez> raphink: check one out then ;)
[11:05] <toma> allee: kdelibs that is, not kdepim
[11:05] <Tonio_> this system:/ protocol makes me mad..........
[11:06] <Tonio_> why did they change something that was working perfectly..........
[11:06] <toma> raphink: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdelibs/kabc/plugins/file/resourcefile.cpp?rev=512375&r1=465272&r2=512375
[11:06] <raphink> thanks toma
[11:07] <raphink> this is quite a huge diff
[11:07] <toma> seems some serious safe guards were implemented indeed
[11:10] <allee> it's FF but a branch pull for sure fixes more than it does break :) (at least this is what debian regularily does)
[11:12] <toma> allee: has it been pulled into debian yet?
[11:13] <raphink> let's see if the patch applies
[11:13] <Mez> can I ask why you're trying a branch pull from svn to fit into KDE ?
[11:14] <Mez> what needs fixing that desperately?
[11:15] <raphink> kontact
[11:15] <raphink> kontact erases all your contacts in kabc when closing with a new mail open
[11:15] <raphink> this is a major bug
[11:15] <raphink> very evil and very easy to reproduce
[11:16] <raphink> Mez: that's what needs fixing desperately
[11:16] <raphink> all the more that it has been around for several months
[11:17] <Mez> raphink: then why not just update the package for dapper (request an UVF) and branch pull for a breezy-updates fix?
[11:18] <raphink> request a UVFe for just a part of KDE in svn ?
[11:18] <Mez> or has a new version of kontact not been releasE?
[11:18] <raphink> I don't think there's a new version of kontact
[11:18] <raphink> ask riddell about it
[11:20] <allee> Mez: kontact is released together with KDE. So no released fix until KDE 3.5.2
[11:21] <Mez> allee: ah
[11:21] <Mez> hmm...
[11:21] <Tonio_> allee: revuing kdissert
[11:21] <raphink> I prefer to patch 3.5.1 with svn parts
[11:21] <raphink> than syncing with svn 
[11:21] <Tonio_> I will just rename the tarball without debian
[11:21] <Tonio_> in the name
[11:21] <allee> Tonio_: raphink works on it
[11:21] <Tonio_> and change version to 2ubuntu1
[11:22] <raphink> allee: no I'm doing the kontact but, tonio is doing kdissert ;)
[11:22] <Tonio_> allee: nope I replaced him ;)
[11:22] <raphink> allee: french team internal organization
[11:22] <allee> Tonio_: :)
[11:22] <Tonio_> aprt from that looks good allee, I will let you know
[11:22] <Mez> raphink: do you have a patch file already ?
[11:22] <raphink> Mez: yep
[11:23] <raphink> Mez: I'm adding it to the package already
[11:23] <Tonio_> allee: whould be so nice if it works ;)
[11:23] <Mez> raphink: how did you create it ?
[11:23] <raphink> Mez: I created it well ;)
[11:23] <raphink> Mez: toma showed me how to create it from kde svn
[11:23] <Tonio_> kontact finally quite correctly working !!!!!!!
[11:23] <raphink> see link before
[11:23] <raphink> Mez: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdelibs/kabc/plugins/file/resourcefile.cpp?rev=512375&r1=465272&r2=512375
[11:23] <raphink> this is the diff between the version that is fixed and the previous one
[11:23] <raphink> Mez: I got this patch and tried to apply it
[11:23] <raphink> it applied fine
[11:24] <Tonio_> allee: have you seen the issue caused by my patch on system:/ ???
[11:24] <raphink> to I'll put it in the package and see if it builds and fixes the bug
[11:24] <raphink> ;)
[11:24] <Tonio_> I'm searching for two hours to understand why this is doing that, but it does..........
[11:24] <allee> Tonio_: no. not update yet
[11:24] <Tonio_> allee: okay ;)
[11:25] <Mez> raphink: made it a coloured diff?
[11:25] <raphink> Mez: there are options on the bottom
[11:25] <Mez> yeah - I know ;)
[11:26] <raphink> :p
[11:26] <Mez> though have fun
[11:26] <raphink> ok that's fun ;)
[11:26] <Mez> patch -p4 ?
[11:26] <raphink> oui
[11:26] <raphink> yes
[11:26] <Mez> why not er
[11:26] <raphink> heh
[11:26] <raphink> as long as it works ;)
[11:26] <Mez> just make a patch without it ;)
[11:27] <Mez> so you can just use simple-patchsys?
[11:27] <raphink> I'm using simple-patchsys
[11:27] <Mez> with patch -p4 ?
[11:27] <Mez> o_o
[11:27] <raphink> I don't remember if simple-patchsys goes up to p 4 though
[11:27] <raphink> so I should remove some stuff
[11:27] <raphink> to make it a p 1
[11:27] <raphink> so it's easier
[11:27] <raphink> or even p 0
[11:27] <Mez> raphink: gimme a moment to grab a copy from svn and I'll make you a patch
[11:28] <raphink> Mez: thanks I can make myself a patch
[11:28] <Mez> raphink: fair enough
[11:28] <raphink> Mez: thank you for your help though
[11:28] <Mez> just I have the kde-svn open at the mo (lol - having fun with it to be honest)
[11:29] <Mez> (I thought someone had changed my code in there and was trying to get it back)
[11:30] <Tonio_> Mez: if you have time, can you work on my problem maybe ? raphink is perfectly able to manage his patch, whenI really have a problem with mine...
[11:32] <Mez> Tonio_, sup?
[11:34] <Tonio_> Mez: I did a patch but the system:/ protocol
[11:34] <Tonio_> patch kubuntu_54 in kdebase
[11:34] <Tonio_> works nice, but creates an issue when the "system" konqueror's sidebar extension
[11:34] <Tonio_> I'm trying to figure out what and why, but I don't understand
[11:35] <Tonio_> I'm too limited for this ;)
[11:35] <Tonio_> Mez: so if you can have a look, I'd be pleased, really
[11:36] <Tonio_> Mez: the goal was to replace the link from system:/home to $HOME
[11:36] <Tonio_> which works quite correctly, except that sidebar issue
[11:38] <Mez> I'm not too sure about it really
[11:38] <Mez> to be honest - I prefer not to fiddle with those things
[11:40] <Tonio_> mez okay ;)
[12:00] <Lure> Tonio_: looking at system:/ issue - what I do not like is this line
[12:00] <Lure> new_filename.truncate(file.length()-8);
[12:00] <Tonio_> Lure: I saw it yes
[12:01] <Lure> I do not recall now, but this strips 8 chars off...
[12:01] <Tonio_> but is it used in the loading of the sidebar ?
[12:02] <Lure> my concern is that your patch may just hide the root case of system:/ issue
[12:02] <Tonio_> Lure: is there a way to see exactly in logs what is the error in the output of the sidebar lib ?
[12:02] <Tonio_> I searched that without any success