[12:04] Riddell: any opinion on adding the pierceive filter set for adblock by default ? [12:05] not activating adblock, but preparing a default set of rules. [12:05] Riddell: my mother wouldn't be able to configure that, and that's the way epiphany works for example, it uses a set of rules preconfigured === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.106] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] pierceive is by far the best filters list for adblock systems :) [12:10] raphink: your opinion on this ? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:28] Riddell: patches and k-d-s emailed [12:50] raphink: tell me more [12:51] Tonio_: sounds like a good idea, who makes pierceive? [12:52] don't know, but it is a good set of rules [12:52] Riddell: check out : http://www.pierceive.com [12:52] Riddell: the new adblock extension uses this too [12:53] Riddell: hmm having a common blog for kubuntu-devs [12:53] Riddell: like a shared wordpress for example [12:53] on kubuntu.org/blog [12:53] Riddell: okay, todo list for version of k-d-s [12:54] version 11 [12:55] Riddell: + for raphink's idea. [12:55] I think it would be nice to have the possibility tu communicate on on the kubuntu new features and improvements [12:58] Riddell: http://www.pierceive.com/filtersetg/license.txt what about that ? getting authorization could be enough for you ? [12:58] Riddell: epiphany simply asked for authorization [12:58] raphink: nice idea, not sure where we'd set it up though [12:58] how do you mean Riddell? [12:59] Riddell: there's a DB for kubuntu.org, isn't there? [01:00] raphink: nope [01:00] ah [01:00] Riddell: maybe we could use an external DB then [01:00] we'd need to ask sysadmin to set it up, so could take forever [01:00] no, firewalled [01:00] hehe [01:00] ah [01:00] :( [01:00] well setting a mysql db doesn't take so long [01:01] we can always try asking sysadmin [01:01] Tonio_: ever work out what was cauing that bookmarks toolbar to load on restore? [01:02] Riddell: nope, I didn't saw that issue on a native dapper installation [01:02] Riddell: did you ? [01:02] how to reproduce ? [01:03] as long as I created a new fresh kde profile, it was fine for me [01:03] Tonio_: no idea, I've been playing with profiles lots today so not sure what's causing what :) [01:03] ok, I'll try and test that sometime [01:04] Riddell: I'll have a look, but if I can't reproduce, hard to patch ;) [01:04] Riddell, raphink: do you think that licence with eventual authorization is compatible with kubuntu ? [01:04] I would say no, but if epiphany does that, why not [01:13] Riddell: if an authorization is okay for you, I will email he guy, if not, I will try to find another one === toma [i=toma@ip83.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ooh,] === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] hum, Riddell I've compiled a set of rules, seems to work nicely ;) [02:20] no need for that licenced list then ;) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:14] hmm kubuntu-desktop just got removed when i dist-upgraded [06:14] and if i try to install it it wants to remove "openoffice.org-debian-files openoffice.org2-l10n-en-us" [06:15] wonder what in OOo is conflicting [06:18] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/586403 [06:22] or in full http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/586406 [06:42] someone with a fresh dapper kubuntu install, ping :) [06:46] i need to find out if 1) kubuntu can play mp3's by default (probably no) 2) is amarok-xine is required to play mp3's in amarok. is it installed by default 3) is libxine-extracodecs only for videos === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pwn3r [n=pwn3r@s154-5-78-242.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:48] i need to find out if 1) kubuntu can play mp3's by default (probably no) 2) is amarok-xine is required to play mp3's in amarok. is it installed by default 3) is libxine-extracodecs only for videos [07:49] robotgeek: amarok use xine defaultly, so without libxine-extracoedcs. how can it play mp3 file [07:50] robotgeek: let me check! [07:50] hehe! seeing as i reinstalled last night [07:50] Hobbsee: great. i just want to be sure that i don't type wrong stuff in Kubuntu Desktop Guide [07:50] hmm [07:51] plays wav files, without any extra packages [07:52] it just skips thru the mp3 files === Hobbsee wonders if the default icon for "charging" in klaptop can be changed easily... [07:54] Hobbsee: and does it play after installing libxine-extracodecs [07:54] there is a file called libmad in libxine-extracodecs [07:54] sorry dir [07:55] seaLne: so i take it as a yes? mp3's require libxine-extracodecs. ty [07:55] i'd assume so [07:56] robotgeek: yep, that works [07:56] i just apt-get source libxine-extracodecs and had a look in the source [07:56] so i think it looks like it [07:56] ah it depends on libmad0 aswell [07:56] robotgeek: what else do you want me to test on an almost clean install? [07:58] Hobbsee: moment, checking [07:58] how does one make knemo work? [07:58] it worked with a new user yesterday, but i'm not about to kill all of my new settings [07:59] Hobbsee: i guess that is all for now [07:59] http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html is where it is at. any suggestions/improvements welcome! [08:01] ok [08:01] does Kubuntu actaully mean "towards humanity" in Bemba? isn't it ubuntu that does? === seaLne wonders if edubuntu claim it means "towards humanity" aswell :) [08:03] would be a handy language that any prefix to a word still ment the same [08:03] ok, back in a min [08:04] robotgeek: what about just removing the k from "kubuntu means ..." in the about the name? [08:05] seaLne: i just left it in there for completeness, i thought it was an interesting fact :) [08:05] but does *k*ubuntu actually mean that? [08:05] yeah, it does. right from kubuntu faq! [08:06] yeah but did someone just add k to the bit from ubuntu faq? [08:06] http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#kubuntumeaning [08:06] just might be worth confirming === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:08] right [08:09] why oh why is kappfinder not installed by default? [08:10] ah maybe it does mean that as its mentioned on wikipedia article hmm === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.49.209] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:13] hmm it was sladen that added the mention on the wikipedia article === robotgeek wonders if a language was created, :) [08:14] it just seems a bit too conveniante [08:14] heh [08:14] if it's on the internet, it must be true! [08:18] and everyone knows that everything on wikipedia is acurate :) [08:20] of course :P [08:20] now...all the wireless fun... [08:20] nope, keyboard shortcuts first... [08:20] sheesh i love reinstalling lol [08:22] the thing i hate about using dapper is having to logout/reboot all the time when there are updates, normally only power failures result in me rebooting [08:22] hehe true [08:22] seaLne: hmm? [08:23] debian sid here, reboots or logouts very sporadically [08:23] what about dapper needs that [08:23] well i suppose i could not bother but, its a bit hard to say if any problems are due to running a version of a prog that isn't installed anymore [08:24] so restart the program not machine? [08:26] well its mainly kdebase/xorg etc that i'll logout for and udev/hal etc for reboot [08:27] reboot for udev/hal? i haven't notice when we turned into windows [08:28] just to be on the safe side for bug reporting/bug verifying [08:30] i'd argue that when udev misbehaves after upgrade it's a bug === seaLne shrugs === mornfall shrugs too and goes to get some breakfast === Hobbsee compiles ndiswrapper in the background === robotgeek finishes compiling freenx === Sime|Zzz is now known as Sime === Sime gets ready to go to work, on the bike, in the snow. [08:34] robotgeek: compiling freenx huh [08:34] hehe [08:35] <-- never compiled bash scripts [08:35] :-) [08:35] seems weird going to work, as i've just come back from uni [08:35] bbiab [08:35] mornfall: yeah, very nice [08:35] mornfall: that would explain the gcc errors he gets :) [08:35] mornfall: hey, i'm just a doc writer, not elite package master! === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seaLne wonders whats required these days to get freenx working [08:38] last time i had a look the nomachines nx client didn't work for me [08:38] library issues [08:39] seaLne: i am running the server on my linux machine, client is on windows machine === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:48] well that was painless! and knemo is very nice! [08:49] robotgeek: make sure you include something about knemo in your guide [08:50] Hobbsee: what does it do? is it installed by default? [08:50] robotgeek: it's not installed by default, but it's a connection indicator for wired/wireless connectoins - it's been discussed in the meetings - it's just a monitor [08:50] let me install [08:53] Hobbsee: where do i enable from ? Right clicj? [08:53] log out of kde and back in again [08:53] seems to be the way i found - but you'd really have to ask tonio exactly how it works [08:54] Hobbsee: killall kicker && kicker & doesn't work? [08:54] not sure [08:55] Hobbsee: is it a applet thing? [08:55] yes [08:55] want a screenie? [08:57] Hobbsee: sure, [08:58] Hobbsee: does it not cause CPU load (5% or so)? [08:59] it does on my notebook when running on low speed (800 MHz) [08:59] otherwise I have to agree it is nice, particularly as we will not get knetworkmanager yet [08:59] http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6214/snapshot16hd.png [09:00] Lure: i'm not even seeing it in top [09:00] what's gam_server though? [09:00] Hobbsee: where is it? [09:00] bottom right [09:00] Hobbsee: file alteration server [09:00] of the screenie [09:00] ah ok [09:01] Hobbsee: i cant see it in the screenie, lol [09:02] oh grr! [09:02] it's where the space is! [09:04] robotgeek: http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7466/snapshot27ks.png [09:05] Hobbsee: cool, i will checkout after next login [09:05] ok [09:05] and hopefully document it too === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:22] hmmm...there must be more to configure - it cant be done yet! [09:26] amarok-1.4-beta2 may use gstreamer0.10 [09:27] thanks freeflying - forgot about amarok! [09:29] Hobbsee: but I can not set the ID3tags for my locale encoding === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:44] mornfall: adept notified has been showing always the red triangle icon in kicker even when there are no updates on my machine for the last few days [10:09] btw, have something happened in openoffice in dapper kubuntu? [10:10] robotgeek: dist-upgrade fun? [10:10] seaLne: all i need to know is if it is going to be there on install :P [10:10] robotgeek: yeah, they renumbered it - only oo.o2 is avalable [10:11] Hobbsee: cool, i can't see it in my Kmenu -> Office, it probably got removed i think === Hobbsee has no idea === Hobbsee curses - i dont have a winbox to do this uni work on! stupid people! === Tonio__ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:20] hello ;) [10:22] hey Tonio_ === Hobbsee compliments Tonio_ on the nice work with knemo [10:23] Hobbsee_away: wait! [10:23] hmmm? [10:23] gui way to add proggies to session startup? === Hobbsee_away has to go to dinner now [10:24] kde usually defaults to previously saved session, doenst it? [10:24] not sure about a GUI way, per se [10:24] Hobbsee_away: thanks ;) knemo integration is not full perfect, I can add more cards [10:24] Hobbsee_away: okay, i have that documented, thanks === Tonio_ would have liked knemo installed by default, but the democratic vote said NO.... :( [10:25] robotgeek: system settings -> user account -> session manager to change stuff tho [10:26] seaLne: hmm, that doesn't help me however. thanks anyways [10:26] now i have to document cp /usr/share/apps/file.desktop to ~/.kde/Autostart [10:26] i think there was a way to save current seesion tho [10:26] seaLne: it is autosaved, i think [10:26] yeah by default [10:28] interested in a default adblock filters list in konq guys ?? [10:28] i think that might be a good way to get sued [10:28] I suggested that to riddell yesterday, but the thing is to not activate it by default, that's not ethical [10:28] seaLne: get sued ? sorry my english is too limited :) [10:29] seaLne: you mean ? [10:29] lawyers demanding money from you for loss of revenue to their clients [10:29] Tonio_: that would be nice. [10:29] seaLne: they should ask for money to kde for implemtenting adblock too..... [10:29] Tonio_: what about konqueror profiles, is there a separate package? [10:30] robotgeek: need to decide this ;) [10:30] seaLne: in my view, as long as the filter is not installed by default, that's okay [10:30] Tonio_: just think it is smething to consider worrying about :) [10:30] Tonio_: decide fast, i only have till March 23'rd for Doc String Freeze [10:30] norton internet security removes adds out of the box [10:31] k [10:31] epiphany too, just activate adblock and everything is filtered [10:31] seaLne: I agree with you it is complicated [10:31] too me if someone goes in the prefs to activate adblock, he will use a public filter [10:32] the only difference is that we make things easier for him [10:32] Tonio_: Wait and see: Someday you will get sued for skipping ads in newspapers. [10:32] i'm not convinced by konq add blocking, i actually hate having huge add blocked images more than the adverts [10:32] but he has to decide to block adds, that's not and will not be activated by default [10:32] hunger: aol is blocking adds, norton too.... === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:32] seaLne: try my filer list and you'll see ;) [10:32] I use regular expression in it, works nice [10:33] Tonio_: I just use privoxy... [10:33] i mean a stretched red circle with line through it [10:33] hunger: I too :) [10:33] hunger: microsoft is blocking popups [10:33] Tonio_: Been using that for ages and did not yet see a reason to change. [10:33] that's exactly the same [10:33] Damn! Those pigs! [10:34] Blocking pop-ups! They must be in league with satan. [10:34] hunger: I'm just saying I don't why WE would be sued [10:34] everyone allows to block adds quite easilly today [10:34] just as long as it is not activated by default, it's okay [10:34] Tonio_: Because we have no lawyers. === ubijtsa_ [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] hunger: blocking adds is not illegal [10:35] maybe unethical, and even that could be discussed [10:36] hunger: privoxy comes with add removal rules right ? epiphany too [10:36] just it is not activated or installed by default, you have to decide to use that, it'll be the same for us [10:37] well that could be discussed during the meeting ;) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee is back [11:13] Hobbsee: wb :) [11:13] :) ty [11:13] that proper dpi looks really nice lol [11:13] allee: systemapplet patched :) [11:13] Tonio_: great [11:13] Tonio_: even with the correct dpi, it seems that the stuff in the splash to login to kde seems really small - is that in your domain to fix? [11:14] allee: still the problem with kdissert.... I think the kdissert.debian is causing the issue.... === allee had to fight with 50 cm new snow. So no computer work this WE [11:14] Hobbsee: yes, I have to [11:14] allee: what about repackaging the tarball ? [11:14] *nods* - so you know that it seems very small? [11:15] Hobbsee: yes [11:15] Tonio_: i think that you could probably ask people to test out knemo, and seeing as they've seen what it is, ask for a revote. [11:15] Hobbsee: come and ask to the next meeting if you want :) [11:16] ah yes, that's the meeting that i have to move, if i want to be at it [11:20] Tonio_: as I said, I never used kdissert, can give a instructions to reproduce the problem? Then I can check if problem is in SID too, repackaging fixes it for kbuntu [11:21] allee: the problem is on REVU. We can't access the files on REVU cause they're named kdissert.debian [11:21] allee: revu crashes because the name is kdissert.debian instead of kdissert ;) [11:21] allee: let me show you [11:21] Oh :( [11:21] at least it seems to be the cause of the bug [11:21] look the page on revu, you'll see [11:21] 'k [11:22] allee: why name it kdissert.debian anyway? [11:22] raphink: I assume that debian pkg repackaged it [11:22] hmmm === Hobbsee changes the meeting date [11:22] Hobbsee: to what date? [11:22] 16th, 1 day later [11:22] ok [11:23] i was told it was ok to chang eit [11:23] ok for me too [11:23] cant be a day earlier, as there's a dapper development status meeting [11:23] mhm [11:23] the time is too early for me [11:23] i cant do wednesday nights - unless i can be in a meeting and drive at teh same time [11:23] that's what mobiles are for [11:23] lol [11:24] Tonio_: so only revu has problems, not the program itself? btw. on REVU I only see your 2build2 -> 2ubuntu2 comment. No comment for 4th March upload [11:25] allee: because I can't download the files :) [11:25] crimsun: hehe - that's illegal though [11:25] allee: try and you'll see a beatifull 403 error [11:25] Tonio_: aahhh, yeah :) [11:25] allee: your suggestions for knemorc have been included to k-d-s ;) [11:26] Tonio_: Quite some debian pkg have .dfsg. in it. So strange that REVU didn't run into this problem earlier ;) [11:26] Tonio_: I'll check tonight what has changed in the tarball and rename it. [11:27] allee: perfect, let me now then I'll upload ;) [11:27] Tonio_: did you ping siretart about the problem? (or who else manages REVU code these days) [11:27] allee: not yet.... [11:27] raphink is revu admin [11:27] he could/should ask maybe ;) [11:28] rebooting; need to test a few k-d-s changes ;) [11:29] what's the fridge-devel email address? [11:29] fridge-devel-AT-lists.ubuntu.com? [11:31] yes I think so [11:31] ah, yep [11:32] found it, hidden at the bottom of one of the pages [11:32] hehe === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEspresso || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Thurs, 16th March - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- note the change in date, and be there! [11:38] ok, that's changed === Hobbsee hates mailing lists! === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:39] they bite! [12:22] Hobbsee: did you get it through to the list? [12:22] anyone want to write a main inclusion report for qtparted? [12:23] Riddell: the fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com and kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com? [12:23] Hobbsee: yes [12:23] yeah, did them :) [12:23] had to go grepping thru the history files to find out what i had to do [12:23] I don't see it on kubuntu-devel [12:24] Riddell: kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com is the exact address i sent it to...so... [12:24] then again, my stuff does seem to go through pretty slowly [12:24] if you're not subscribed it'll reject it [12:25] i'm subscribed to it, i think - i keep getting the messages for it === luka74 [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:32] Riddell: i'm *definetly* subscribed to that list. So i dont know what's happening [12:36] Hobbsee: did you post with the address you're subscribed to? [12:36] Riddell: yep [12:37] Hobbsee: send it to me and I'll try posting it, jriddell@ubuntu.com [12:37] Riddell: was just about to ask that :) [12:38] Riddell: sent === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] darn, printing stopped working here! === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:24] Riddell: need maininclusionreport of qparted ? [01:24] freeflying: yes please :) [01:24] Riddell: qparted can not run on yestoday's livecd [01:27] freeflying: what was wrong with it? [01:28] Riddell: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/livecdscreenshot/%3F%3F6.png [01:28] Riddell: after this , nothing happen , qtparted haven't bring up [01:30] right, I probably need to test it more then === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:39] Tonio_: kdebase and kubuntu-default-settings uploaded, no changes [01:40] Riddell: cool thanks [01:40] thank you :) [01:40] Riddell: actually working on k-d-s 11, still some changes [01:41] adding ksnapshot on the "print" key, konq filters (home made because licence issue), amarok fonts set (they were not), improved knemorc (thanks to allee), and change for the default log directory for konversation.... nothing to do in ~ :) [01:42] why does amarok need its fonts set? [01:43] because by default it uses the first one in the font list [01:43] for OSD [01:43] which gives me Arial.... [01:43] curious [01:43] Should be set to DejaVu, logically [01:43] yep [01:43] that's it, even curious [01:43] that's a bug, we should poke amarok dudes to fix it [01:43] are you fine with ksnapshot on the print key ? [01:44] raphink asked me and I like the idea [01:44] Riddell: okay, I will note to post a bug ;) [01:44] currently , there are alt+impr and ctrl+impr that copy to the clipboard [01:44] sorry [01:44] yes, and they will not be removed [01:44] I mean alt+print and ctrl+print [01:44] but print is not used [01:44] alone [01:44] exactly [01:45] and it used to call ksnapshot iirc [01:45] and alt+print isn't clear to use.... [01:45] (or was it when I was on mandriva ?) [01:45] pasting to krita will be the new user logicall way to do, which is not clean [01:45] it's not easy either [01:45] no one would excpect to hve to use alt+print or ctrl+print to copy the screen to the clipboard imo [01:46] Riddell: also, do you think you could ask for a DB soon? [01:50] oh grr! === Hobbsee growls at her connection, which keeps wanting to timeout [01:51] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionQtparted [01:59] freeflying: wonderful, thanks [01:59] Riddell: my pleasure [02:02] Hobbsee: Thu 20.00 UTC I'm most probably on the highway :) I'll see what I can do about it [02:02] allee: eek really? === Hobbsee sighs - seems like we cant get a day that suits everyone in the team at all [02:03] guess that's normal for people all over the world [02:03] Hobbsee: yeah === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsglaptop [n=jsg@125.212.126.102] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:05] who has an amd64? [02:05] we need the new openoffice.org-kde tested on amd64 [02:05] amu? \sh_away ? [02:06] Hobbsee: how about 12:00 UTC [02:06] freeflying: let me check... [02:07] Riddell: I know I'm dreaming, but do you consider tu one day changing OOo for Koffice ? dapper+1 for example ? [02:08] freeflying: ah, yeah, that's do-able... - i'll get kicked off around 1.30utc though [02:08] OOo, is not very well integrated, too different from the kde spirit and logic, and so slow........... [02:08] we all love kde, and therefore should promote koffice, in my view ;) [02:09] I hope kubuntu can use koffice as default in some day [02:09] freeflying: with 1.5, that might be possible, I hope ;) [02:09] Tonio_: but now I can not open doc well , also OOo's format [02:10] yes, that's wy we have to wait for opendocument to become more popular === Hobbsee installed koffice today - lots of starting splash screens! [02:11] Tonio_: kspread it too weak === luka74 is now known as Lure [02:12] freeflying: if nobody includes koffice, it will not become more popular, and therefore will not progress etc......... [02:12] freeflying: but I agree with you, some applications are not mature actually [02:12] I really hope for 1?5 [02:12] Tonio_: sure [02:12] anyway, night all... [02:13] Tonio_: also hope be included in dapper+1 [02:13] Hobbsee: nite [02:14] Tonio_: we looked at that for breey but koffice was too buggy [02:14] Riddell: I agree, that's why I was talking about 1.5 [02:14] according to the changelog, it should be way more mature [02:15] we miss a softphone.... ubuntu has one [02:15] Riddell: would you build amarok-1.4beta2 === Tonio_ notes that for poking the world for dapper+1 ;) [02:16] Riddell: it can us gstreamer0.10 now [02:16] freeflying: why using gstreamer ? dapper is xine default based [02:16] and xine works wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better [02:16] Tonio_: we'll have to see, but it doesn't have such good MS import, i doesn't have MS export at all and KWord isn't great and won't be until qt 4 [02:16] Tonio_: someone would use gstreamer [02:17] freeflying: I'm not at home so can'treally package it, but I saw the gstreamer stuff that's very cool [02:17] Riddell: okay ;) [02:17] Riddell: I've built it [02:18] Riddell: in fact not exporting in msoffice formats will not be a great problem when office12 is out, cause it will support opendocument [02:19] Tonio_: can you tell me way to play ape file with amrok-xin [02:19] Tonio_: you think MS will include opendocument support? [02:19] freeflying: no idea, I never used this format [02:19] s/amarok-xin/amarok-xine [02:19] Riddell: I'm not thinking, I know it ;) [02:20] I'll believe it when I see it [02:20] no doubt rendering it very baddly tho to sow that .doc is much better [02:20] MS made the information public a few month ago [02:20] seaLne: that's possible, yes [02:21] mornfall: mvo was saying we should look at the proprietry software support in gnome-app-install [02:22] mornfall: the current app-install-data has a .desktop for skype with some new fields and a file for copy to /etc/apt/sources.d/ === hunger [n=tobias@p54A61F1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:23] and it pops up a dialogue with the licence pointed to in the .desktop file [02:24] I suspect it's too much for post feature freeze but would be nice to have [02:24] Riddell: feature freeze [02:24] i'd say it's *way* too late now [02:24] yeah, I agree [02:24] Riddell: checking news, they finally deceided to avoid implementing opendocument ;) hehe [02:25] kubuntu is frozen now? [02:25] for new features, unless they are in a spe === hunger sighs. [02:25] spec [02:26] Riddell: No chance to get some zeroconf-config files in then? [02:26] feature freeze was ages ago [02:26]