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| klepas | hello | 10:18 |
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| artnay | hey klepas | 10:20 |
| artnay | I saw that your tango package is progressing | 10:20 |
| klepas | how was that party? | 10:20 |
| klepas | yea man | 10:21 |
| artnay | uh, it was great. not to mention the after party which basically took me the whole sunday :( | 10:21 |
| klepas | cool | 10:21 |
| klepas | from the photos of the event on the site it looked like a blast | 10:22 |
| artnay | never had so fun with water ;) | 10:22 |
| klepas | :) | 10:22 |
| klepas | i sent off a mail to lokheed | 10:23 |
| artnay | so what happened in london? | 10:23 |
| klepas | they had a UI sprint | 10:23 |
| klepas | over the weeken | 10:23 |
| klepas | s/weeken/weekend | 10:23 |
| klepas | lokheed will be doing the gaim tango set | 10:24 |
| klepas | and a tango gaim dialogue image/splash thingy :) | 10:25 |
| artnay | was there any canonicals here? | 10:26 |
| artnay | oh well, I might just as well dist-upgrade | 10:26 |
| artnay | hmh, it wants to remove oo.o and since there's no updated ubuntu-artwork, I'll let it be as it is | 10:28 |
| artnay | really, what's happening with the screensavers? | 10:28 |
| artnay | gnome-screensaver is filled up with useless screensavers as there's no GUI to tweak them | 10:30 |
| artnay | should people really edit their screensavers using $editor? | 10:31 |
| klepas | no idea | 10:32 |
| klepas | i'm on breezy | 10:32 |
| artnay | wasn't there ubuntu screensaver somewhere? it's not listed on gnome-screensaver nor xscreensaver | 10:32 |
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| klepas | i'm considering distupgrading | 10:32 |
| klepas | gaim 2 binaries are in dapper | 10:33 |
| klepas | saves me from compiling this crap | 10:33 |
| artnay | oh well, mark will most probably clean up the most useless screensavers (at least I hope so) | 10:33 |
| artnay | there was a bug on it at bugzilla | 10:33 |
| klepas | is it safe to update to dapper? | 10:36 |
| klepas | not too broken? | 10:36 |
| artnay | I guess it depends on what you're using :o | 10:37 |
| artnay | I've used it for the last four months, it should be quite safe now as it's in freeze already | 10:37 |
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| lapo | hi | 10:38 |
| artnay | hey lapo | 10:41 |
| artnay | nice modifications, I especially liked the computer icon without ubuntu background | 10:42 |
| artnay | that's something what we should have started months ago as a team | 10:42 |
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| andreasn | hello | 10:47 |
| lapo | artnay, I'd like the sabdfl to make his payed artist to follow a similar style (so tango guidelines) | 10:48 |
| lapo | ciao andreasn | 10:48 |
| andreasn | lapo: how is the work on the icons going? | 10:48 |
| artnay | lapo: or at least tell the guys name and get in contact with him | 10:49 |
| artnay | have a discussion here or something | 10:49 |
| lapo | or pay some of the tango artist to do it (*hint* andreasn) | 10:49 |
| lapo | andreasn, I did the printer | 10:49 |
| andreasn | or *hint* lapo for that matter | 10:49 |
| artnay | lapo: have any tango members offered their help? | 10:49 |
| artnay | I know some guys that have some really decent icon sets and they offered their help to canonical | 10:50 |
| artnay | but canonical refused | 10:50 |
| artnay | probably many others have asked the same question as well, but as the whole ubuntu-artwork isn't that well informed, who knows what is happening *don't kick me* | 10:51 |
| artnay | although there's been improvements within a month or so | 10:51 |
| lapo | artnay, I don't know, I don't think any of us contacted canonical directly tho | 10:52 |
| artnay | lapo: oh, ok | 10:52 |
| lapo | artnay, a pair of nice guys helped me with those icons btw | 10:52 |
| artnay | maybe they wanted some gnome-oriented artists to do the work | 10:52 |
| lapo | gnome oriented? | 10:53 |
| artnay | and as canonical has some gnome devs, it might have been an inside discussion | 10:53 |
| artnay | people who have contributed to gnome in the past | 10:53 |
| lapo | artnay, uhm...icon should not be gnome specific | 10:54 |
| lapo | icons | 10:54 |
| lapo | andreasn, I have a job and have no time for this stuff, you should contact canonical and offer you services to them, really | 10:55 |
| artnay | lapo: what I meant to say, they might want to hire people who have given some love to gnome artwork and thus are their friends or so | 10:55 |
| artnay | and I do agree, let's not have gnome specific icons | 10:55 |
| andreasn | artnay: I don't think it's about gnome or not, but rather that they are looking for a schooled designer | 10:56 |
| lapo | artnay, dunno, those icons style don't recall me any gnome artist I know of | 10:56 |
| artnay | it's a shame that in this open development process we don't even know who's working those | 10:56 |
| lapo | they looks a bit like early tig work, but he work for nokia now | 10:57 |
| artnay | my first though was that it's tigert | 10:57 |
| lapo | artnay, this is way I'd like to talk with the sabdfl | 10:57 |
| lapo | tig is better than that:-) | 10:57 |
| artnay | :) | 10:57 |
| lapo | and I would have followed tango guidelines | 10:58 |
| artnay | maybe it was just a teaser and some things were left there for a purpose | 10:58 |
| andreasn | it seems they made something that blends in good with g-i-t, problem is that g-i-t is movind towards tango | 10:58 |
| artnay | to get people interest and tell "it shouldn't be that way", "it's breaking hig", "let's do this and that" | 10:58 |
| lapo | andreasn, yep, tat's the other reason why I'd like to talk with the sabdfl | 10:58 |
| artnay | and what's happening with ubuntu-artwork anyways? | 10:59 |
| artnay | have you seen the latest gnome splash? | 10:59 |
| andreasn | I think we should come up with a good alternative set, but with the same boldness that this set offers | 10:59 |
| lapo | artnay, you mean the offical gnome one? | 10:59 |
| artnay | will they change it? what do they want out of it? | 10:59 |
| andreasn | and still following the tango-guidelines | 10:59 |
| artnay | lapo: no, dapper one | 10:59 |
| artnay | well they will change it but to what | 10:59 |
| andreasn | artnay: url? | 10:59 |
| artnay | umh | 10:59 |
| artnay | don't have a one | 11:00 |
| artnay | it basically the same as it has been in the earlier versions | 11:00 |
| artnay | a bit modified | 11:00 |
| lapo | artnay, I think the guy who is doing th offical gnome splash could thelp them | 11:00 |
| artnay | and then there reads with a big font "THIS IS NOT THE FINAL ARTWORK FOR DAPPER" | 11:00 |
| lapo | well, he woulc be happy to help them | 11:00 |
| artnay | so it seems the development is being done somewhere | 11:00 |
| lapo | *hint* *hint* :-) | 11:00 |
| artnay | but who is working on that? | 11:01 |
| andreasn | well, anyway, it seems that some set featuring tango will go into dapper, but only in extras | 11:01 |
| andreasn | what, the guy working on the gnome-splash for 2.14? me? | 11:01 |
| lapo | eheh | 11:01 |
| artnay | actually the same thing happened with usplash on the very first dapper month | 11:01 |
| artnay | it read "UBUNTU DAPPER" with big, ugly white font | 11:01 |
| artnay | then they changed it | 11:02 |
| artnay | just for laughs, eh? | 11:02 |
| andreasn | tango may be the default in xubuntu btw, just need to help those guys with some extra icons | 11:02 |
| artnay | yeah, I read the log | 11:02 |
| lapo | artnay, the right way(TM) is: | 11:02 |
| artnay | default tango or a bit modified tango? | 11:03 |
| andreasn | in xubuntu? | 11:03 |
| andreasn | default I think | 11:03 |
| artnay | ok, I was just thinking of the colours | 11:03 |
| lapo | * follow the tango guidelines to do a branded theme following the tango guidelines (something like what I did) and iherits tango (or git2) icons | 11:03 |
| lapo | * contribut to tango (or git2) the missing icons | 11:04 |
| lapo | the new git2 will have a lot less icons than current git, integrated with -extra themes for mimetypes | 11:04 |
| andreasn | artnay: if xubuntu get a silver-identity (just as ubuntu is brown and orange and kubuntu is blue), then xubuntu could get grey folders | 11:04 |
| lapo | lets say gnome-theme-artists-extras may contain all the different mimetypes icons for images and the like | 11:05 |
| artnay | andreasn: that's what I was thinking, modify the colour scheme to fit the look of *buntu | 11:05 |
| artnay | but that brings some problems | 11:05 |
| andreasn | what problems? | 11:05 |
| artnay | if only you could decide DE-centric colours with CSS to icon theme | 11:06 |
| artnay | what if user is using GNOME and XFCE? | 11:06 |
| artnay | and by default it should fit both of them | 11:06 |
| lapo | artnay, I don't believe the css idea can work nicely | 11:06 |
| artnay | but that's a minor issue, it's better to have a nice set that fits the default CD media | 11:07 |
| andreasn | well, there could be xubuntu-jazzdance (a package with just the grey folders that inhereits tango) | 11:07 |
| lapo | artnay, look at the color modification of the folders I did, I didn't changed only the body color, I had to make the wave and the inner stroke more evident | 11:07 |
| artnay | if one downloads *-desktop, he can most probably change the icons as well | 11:07 |
| lapo | artnay, I nicer way is to use a different theme with the alternative folders that inherits the base theme, as andreasn is saying | 11:08 |
| artnay | could you provide a link once again? my backlog is full and I just cleared private data | 11:08 |
| lapo | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/dappericons/ | 11:09 |
| artnay | *bookmarked* | 11:09 |
| artnay | so is the folder icon the main concern with tango and different *buntus? | 11:09 |
| andreasn | lapo: wow, nice printer | 11:09 |
| lapo | tnx | 11:10 |
| andreasn | artnay: yeah, if you want to fit a certain color scheme | 11:10 |
| lapo | artanay, one theme per *buntu with only the folder | 11:10 |
| artnay | so are you guys thinking of adding an extension to some MIME icons? | 11:11 |
| lapo | artnay, lets say, ubuntu base icon theme + ubuntu theme, kubuntu theme, xubuntu theme | 11:11 |
| lapo | uhm? | 11:11 |
| lapo | can you rephrase it? | 11:11 |
| artnay | like PNG/JPG/GIF or OGG/MP3/WAV/ACC in the icon | 11:12 |
| artnay | all should the colour do it? | 11:12 |
| lapo | the idea is to have something like an extension system | 11:12 |
| lapo | uhm? | 11:12 |
| artnay | to differ formats from each other | 11:12 |
| lapo | artnay, dunno exactly at the moment | 11:13 |
| artnay | that's against hig but it would be much better that way | 11:13 |
| lapo | against hig? | 11:13 |
| artnay | I was pleasantaly surprised that the guy who is developing ubuntu icon set chose that way | 11:13 |
| artnay | no unnecessary text in icons, whatever that means | 11:13 |
| lapo | artnay, I think the file manager should place the text labels if the user want, but we are not at that point atm | 11:14 |
| artnay | that's mostly audio icon issue as many people use picture preview | 11:14 |
| lapo | artnay, dunno about audio, the only ideas I have atm are for images, someone will surelly came up sith something good for audio btw | 11:15 |
| lapo | tango have a nice community with a good number of nice artists involved | 11:16 |
| artnay | I won't be telling my mom that don't put green audio files into your mp3 player as it can't play them, just use the yellow and blue ones | 11:16 |
| andreasn | so, klepas suggested that we should do a total tango-branded set (gdm, splash etc. with the tango-logo and stuff)...what do you think about that | 11:16 |
| lapo | as I said klepas I don't think it's the right course of action | 11:17 |
| andreasn | I'm not sure about the tango-branding though | 11:17 |
| andreasn | lapo: I agree | 11:17 |
| lapo | tango branding is bad | 11:17 |
| lapo | tango is not about branding | 11:17 |
| andreasn | yes, the only people that should be aware of tango is developers, not like my mother-in-law | 11:18 |
| artnay | if everything is "tango", my mom will be using tango as her next os then x) | 11:18 |
| andreasn | lapo: I'm more for having stuff based on your dapper-icons and gdm-themes etc. that follow the guidelines but still feels bold | 11:20 |
| andreasn | and brave | 11:20 |
| lapo | I'm more for it as well :-) | 11:21 |
| andreasn | as that is ubuntus real strengh brand-wize, while osx is elegant and cold and windows is...whatever windows is | 11:21 |
| lapo | the right word, is a mess :) | 11:22 |
| andreasn | windows wants to be what osx is asteticly aswell | 11:22 |
| artnay | familiar to most of the people, I'd say :p | 11:22 |
| artnay | vista doesn't even have icons yet | 11:22 |
| artnay | neither does dapper | 11:22 |
| andreasn | vista don't have icons? | 11:23 |
| artnay | its icon set is not complete yet | 11:23 |
| artnay | the icons released are just teasers | 11:23 |
| artnay | the final artwork will be released later on | 11:23 |
| artnay | icon artwork, as they will use aero glass and that black elegant start menu | 11:24 |
| andreasn | well, anyway, my point is that ubuntu is very different from both osx and windows asteticly, being more human, we should work on that | 11:24 |
| artnay | true | 11:24 |
| andreasn | human, but also, with this new orange tint and style, very brave | 11:24 |
| andreasn | as some people hate orange and some love it | 11:25 |
| artnay | it was rather surprising decision | 11:25 |
| andreasn | but a good one | 11:25 |
| artnay | somehow it reminds me of os x folder blue | 11:26 |
| andreasn | the tango-ones? | 11:27 |
| andreasn | or lapos dapper-icons? | 11:27 |
| andreasn | or the ones proposed for dapper? | 11:27 |
| artnay | just the colour, for some reason it reminds of os x | 11:28 |
| artnay | being so bright I guess | 11:28 |
| andreasn | what folder? | 11:29 |
| artnay | yeah, the orange colour used in folders | 11:29 |
| artnay | I liked the brown in human yasis but I guess it blends too well with the background they're thinking of | 11:29 |
| artnay | so orange should have your focus on a brown desktop, I guess | 11:30 |
| andreasn | where can I find human yasis? | 11:30 |
| andreasn | yeah, brown and orange looks good together | 11:30 |
| artnay | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=33674 | 11:31 |
| andreasn | so, is anyone with me on a bold and brave set following the tango-palette | 11:34 |
| lapo | do I have to answer? :-) | 11:35 |
| lapo | I'll surelly help you | 11:36 |
| artnay | andreasn: using palette where? | 11:36 |
| andreasn | in splashes, gdm etc | 11:37 |
| lapo | sabdfl is online | 11:37 |
| lapo | should I try to invite him here? | 11:37 |
| artnay | andreasn: sure thing if it's not overused. colourful is fine, but too much colours will make epileptic | 11:37 |
| artnay | lapo: I think many other things keep him busy | 11:38 |
| artnay | and he watches ML | 11:38 |
| artnay | unless we really have an agenda here, I wouldn't invite him | 11:38 |
| artnay | what the hell, go ahead if you want to have a chat with him :) | 11:38 |
| artnay | maybe he could enlighten us | 11:38 |
| lapo | let's see | 11:39 |
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| artnay | andreasn: you said the decision using orange is good | 11:43 |
| artnay | I wonder how far will they go with it | 11:43 |
| lapo | artnay, uhm? | 11:43 |
| artnay | will it only be used in icons and which icons etc. | 11:44 |
| lapo | artnay, with the style they are using I think they should do a lot of icons so they can use orange in every place they want | 11:45 |
| andreasn | artnay: well, it would be sane to use it together with brown and gray | 11:45 |
| andreasn | and perhaps some red | 11:45 |
| artnay | but the rumour has it that brown will be changed for dapper+1 | 11:46 |
| artnay | which would be a shame | 11:46 |
| andreasn | well, as long as they keep using warm colors and don't go away from the ubuntu-identity so to say | 11:48 |
| artnay | true, brown is easy to eyes (at least compared to horrible luna) | 11:52 |
| andreasn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDapperLook | 11:57 |
| andreasn | #dapper-look | 11:57 |
| artnay | I wonder why /Artwork isn't being used. that was the idea of it originally, have one place for all artwork stuff | 11:58 |
| artnay | easier to track changes and get the overall picture | 11:58 |
| andreasn | lapo: I need to go to class now, perhaps you can chat to some people making the decitions | 11:58 |
| lapo | see you later andreasn | 11:59 |
| andreasn | in #dapper-look | 11:59 |
| andreasn | I'll tune in at 18:00 or something | 11:59 |
| artnay | bye | 11:59 |
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| sabdfl | hi guys! | 12:14 |
| lapo | hi mark, tnx for your attention | 12:15 |
| lapo | and sorry for the intrusion | 12:15 |
| lapo | btw, I've seen your new dappericons | 12:15 |
| sabdfl | np | 12:15 |
| sabdfl | i've just seen yours :-) | 12:16 |
| lapo | I think you should make your artists follows the tango guidelines | 12:16 |
| lapo | as you can see from the icons I did, you can do it with little modifications | 12:16 |
| sabdfl | i'm not mad about the tango guidelines, they seem to need to settle out quite a bit still | 12:16 |
| lapo | and the whole desktop experience will surelly be better | 12:17 |
| lapo | uhm..the guidelines are quite clear and simple | 12:17 |
| lapo | consider that new git will be tango style | 12:17 |
| lapo | youre icons fits well with the current git, but not so well with the next git | 12:18 |
| lapo | using tango will give you various benefits | 12:18 |
| lapo | firt of all less icons to draw :-) | 12:18 |
| lapo | first even | 12:18 |
| lapo | doing a complete icon theme is an enormous effort | 12:19 |
| lapo | have you ever used redhat/fedora? | 12:19 |
| lapo | bluecurve is the most complete icon theme around (not consider gnome-icon-theme), but it doesn't fits well wit the rest of the icons, so the desktop experience feels uncomplete | 12:21 |
| lapo | when I use redhat the first thing I do is to change the icon theme to git | 12:21 |
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| lapo | using a "tango compliant" theme will let you integrate well with tango and git2 theme at least (as well oxygen probably since thier guidelines are similar to tango's) | 12:22 |
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| lapo | so you'll need to draw only the icons revelant for branding (more or less the ones I did) and inherits the rest | 12:23 |
| lapo | so to summurize | 12:23 |
| lapo | * less icons to draw | 12:24 |
| lapo | * better desktop experience | 12:24 |
| lapo | tango actually have a nice community with lot of good people contributing to it | 12:24 |
| lapo | so you don't have to maintain a full set of icons | 12:24 |
| lapo | this is how the next git will looks like: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=git2 | 12:27 |
| lapo | I think I wasted enough of your time now :-) | 12:28 |
| sabdfl | not wasted | 12:38 |
| sabdfl | that's useful info | 12:38 |
| lapo | I have no time to do all the icons for ubuntu, but I can surelly help, you could check on tango-artists ml or on #tango if there are artists who can do the job | 12:42 |
| adl | think so too, its useful info if you ask me, no time wasted | 12:44 |
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| jimmac | howdy folks | 12:58 |
| lapo | yo jimmac | 12:58 |
| jimmac | so what's the latest status on the dapper icon theme? | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | not yet | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | hey jimmac | 01:01 |
| sabdfl | we're hoping to get a first cut of that packaged today | 01:01 |
| jimmac | one thing you probably talked with lapo is about making the style follow tango style guidelines... | 01:02 |
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| klepas | sabdfl: ping | 01:37 |
| jsgotangco | klepas, try #dapper-look | 01:45 |
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