=== AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === phr0stbyte [n=phr0stby@ip70-187-241-250.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === AndyFitz [n=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === omeg [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bach_skol [i=hidden-u@nat.ksk.sala.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:18] hello [10:20] hey klepas [10:20] I saw that your tango package is progressing [10:20] how was that party? [10:21] yea man [10:21] uh, it was great. not to mention the after party which basically took me the whole sunday :( [10:21] cool [10:22] from the photos of the event on the site it looked like a blast [10:22] never had so fun with water ;) [10:22] :) [10:23] i sent off a mail to lokheed [10:23] so what happened in london? [10:23] they had a UI sprint [10:23] over the weeken [10:23] s/weeken/weekend [10:24] lokheed will be doing the gaim tango set [10:25] and a tango gaim dialogue image/splash thingy :) [10:26] was there any canonicals here? [10:26] oh well, I might just as well dist-upgrade [10:28] hmh, it wants to remove oo.o and since there's no updated ubuntu-artwork, I'll let it be as it is [10:28] really, what's happening with the screensavers? [10:30] gnome-screensaver is filled up with useless screensavers as there's no GUI to tweak them [10:31] should people really edit their screensavers using $editor? [10:32] no idea [10:32] i'm on breezy [10:32] wasn't there ubuntu screensaver somewhere? it's not listed on gnome-screensaver nor xscreensaver === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:32] i'm considering distupgrading [10:33] gaim 2 binaries are in dapper [10:33] saves me from compiling this crap [10:33] oh well, mark will most probably clean up the most useless screensavers (at least I hope so) [10:33] there was a bug on it at bugzilla [10:36] is it safe to update to dapper? [10:36] not too broken? [10:37] I guess it depends on what you're using :o [10:37] I've used it for the last four months, it should be quite safe now as it's in freeze already === lapo [n=bat@host166-243.pool8546.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:38] hi [10:41] hey lapo [10:42] nice modifications, I especially liked the computer icon without ubuntu background [10:42] that's something what we should have started months ago as a team === andreasn [n=andreas@h108n3fls33o1104.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:47] hello [10:48] artnay, I'd like the sabdfl to make his payed artist to follow a similar style (so tango guidelines) [10:48] ciao andreasn [10:48] lapo: how is the work on the icons going? [10:49] lapo: or at least tell the guys name and get in contact with him [10:49] have a discussion here or something [10:49] or pay some of the tango artist to do it (*hint* andreasn) [10:49] andreasn, I did the printer [10:49] or *hint* lapo for that matter [10:49] lapo: have any tango members offered their help? [10:50] I know some guys that have some really decent icon sets and they offered their help to canonical [10:50] but canonical refused [10:51] probably many others have asked the same question as well, but as the whole ubuntu-artwork isn't that well informed, who knows what is happening *don't kick me* [10:51] although there's been improvements within a month or so [10:52] artnay, I don't know, I don't think any of us contacted canonical directly tho [10:52] lapo: oh, ok [10:52] artnay, a pair of nice guys helped me with those icons btw [10:52] maybe they wanted some gnome-oriented artists to do the work [10:53] gnome oriented? [10:53] and as canonical has some gnome devs, it might have been an inside discussion [10:53] people who have contributed to gnome in the past [10:54] artnay, uhm...icon should not be gnome specific [10:54] icons [10:55] andreasn, I have a job and have no time for this stuff, you should contact canonical and offer you services to them, really [10:55] lapo: what I meant to say, they might want to hire people who have given some love to gnome artwork and thus are their friends or so [10:55] and I do agree, let's not have gnome specific icons [10:56] artnay: I don't think it's about gnome or not, but rather that they are looking for a schooled designer [10:56] artnay, dunno, those icons style don't recall me any gnome artist I know of [10:56] it's a shame that in this open development process we don't even know who's working those [10:57] they looks a bit like early tig work, but he work for nokia now [10:57] my first though was that it's tigert [10:57] artnay, this is way I'd like to talk with the sabdfl [10:57] tig is better than that:-) [10:57] :) [10:58] and I would have followed tango guidelines [10:58] maybe it was just a teaser and some things were left there for a purpose [10:58] it seems they made something that blends in good with g-i-t, problem is that g-i-t is movind towards tango [10:58] to get people interest and tell "it shouldn't be that way", "it's breaking hig", "let's do this and that" [10:58] andreasn, yep, tat's the other reason why I'd like to talk with the sabdfl [10:59] and what's happening with ubuntu-artwork anyways? [10:59] have you seen the latest gnome splash? [10:59] I think we should come up with a good alternative set, but with the same boldness that this set offers [10:59] artnay, you mean the offical gnome one? [10:59] will they change it? what do they want out of it? [10:59] and still following the tango-guidelines [10:59] lapo: no, dapper one [10:59] well they will change it but to what [10:59] artnay: url? [10:59] umh [11:00] don't have a one [11:00] it basically the same as it has been in the earlier versions [11:00] a bit modified [11:00] artnay, I think the guy who is doing th offical gnome splash could thelp them [11:00] and then there reads with a big font "THIS IS NOT THE FINAL ARTWORK FOR DAPPER" [11:00] well, he woulc be happy to help them [11:00] so it seems the development is being done somewhere [11:00] *hint* *hint* :-) [11:01] but who is working on that? [11:01] well, anyway, it seems that some set featuring tango will go into dapper, but only in extras [11:01] what, the guy working on the gnome-splash for 2.14? me? [11:01] eheh [11:01] actually the same thing happened with usplash on the very first dapper month [11:01] it read "UBUNTU DAPPER" with big, ugly white font [11:02] then they changed it [11:02] just for laughs, eh? [11:02] tango may be the default in xubuntu btw, just need to help those guys with some extra icons [11:02] yeah, I read the log [11:02] artnay, the right way(TM) is: [11:03] default tango or a bit modified tango? [11:03] in xubuntu? [11:03] default I think [11:03] ok, I was just thinking of the colours [11:03] * follow the tango guidelines to do a branded theme following the tango guidelines (something like what I did) and iherits tango (or git2) icons [11:04] * contribut to tango (or git2) the missing icons [11:04] the new git2 will have a lot less icons than current git, integrated with -extra themes for mimetypes [11:04] artnay: if xubuntu get a silver-identity (just as ubuntu is brown and orange and kubuntu is blue), then xubuntu could get grey folders [11:05] lets say gnome-theme-artists-extras may contain all the different mimetypes icons for images and the like [11:05] andreasn: that's what I was thinking, modify the colour scheme to fit the look of *buntu [11:05] but that brings some problems [11:05] what problems? [11:06] if only you could decide DE-centric colours with CSS to icon theme [11:06] what if user is using GNOME and XFCE? [11:06] and by default it should fit both of them [11:06] artnay, I don't believe the css idea can work nicely [11:07] but that's a minor issue, it's better to have a nice set that fits the default CD media [11:07] well, there could be xubuntu-jazzdance (a package with just the grey folders that inhereits tango) [11:07] artnay, look at the color modification of the folders I did, I didn't changed only the body color, I had to make the wave and the inner stroke more evident [11:07] if one downloads *-desktop, he can most probably change the icons as well [11:08] artnay, I nicer way is to use a different theme with the alternative folders that inherits the base theme, as andreasn is saying [11:08] could you provide a link once again? my backlog is full and I just cleared private data [11:09] http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/dappericons/ [11:09] *bookmarked* [11:09] so is the folder icon the main concern with tango and different *buntus? [11:09] lapo: wow, nice printer [11:10] tnx [11:10] artnay: yeah, if you want to fit a certain color scheme [11:10] artanay, one theme per *buntu with only the folder [11:11] so are you guys thinking of adding an extension to some MIME icons? [11:11] artnay, lets say, ubuntu base icon theme + ubuntu theme, kubuntu theme, xubuntu theme [11:11] uhm? [11:11] can you rephrase it? [11:12] like PNG/JPG/GIF or OGG/MP3/WAV/ACC in the icon [11:12] all should the colour do it? [11:12] the idea is to have something like an extension system [11:12] uhm? [11:12] to differ formats from each other [11:13] artnay, dunno exactly at the moment [11:13] that's against hig but it would be much better that way [11:13] against hig? [11:13] I was pleasantaly surprised that the guy who is developing ubuntu icon set chose that way [11:13] no unnecessary text in icons, whatever that means [11:14] artnay, I think the file manager should place the text labels if the user want, but we are not at that point atm [11:14] that's mostly audio icon issue as many people use picture preview [11:15] artnay, dunno about audio, the only ideas I have atm are for images, someone will surelly came up sith something good for audio btw [11:16] tango have a nice community with a good number of nice artists involved [11:16] I won't be telling my mom that don't put green audio files into your mp3 player as it can't play them, just use the yellow and blue ones [11:16] so, klepas suggested that we should do a total tango-branded set (gdm, splash etc. with the tango-logo and stuff)...what do you think about that [11:17] as I said klepas I don't think it's the right course of action [11:17] I'm not sure about the tango-branding though [11:17] lapo: I agree [11:17] tango branding is bad [11:17] tango is not about branding [11:18] yes, the only people that should be aware of tango is developers, not like my mother-in-law [11:18] if everything is "tango", my mom will be using tango as her next os then x) [11:20] lapo: I'm more for having stuff based on your dapper-icons and gdm-themes etc. that follow the guidelines but still feels bold [11:20] and brave [11:21] I'm more for it as well :-) [11:21] as that is ubuntus real strengh brand-wize, while osx is elegant and cold and windows is...whatever windows is [11:22] the right word, is a mess :) [11:22] windows wants to be what osx is asteticly aswell [11:22] familiar to most of the people, I'd say :p [11:22] vista doesn't even have icons yet [11:22] neither does dapper [11:23] vista don't have icons? [11:23] its icon set is not complete yet [11:23] the icons released are just teasers [11:23] the final artwork will be released later on [11:24] icon artwork, as they will use aero glass and that black elegant start menu [11:24] well, anyway, my point is that ubuntu is very different from both osx and windows asteticly, being more human, we should work on that [11:24] true [11:24] human, but also, with this new orange tint and style, very brave [11:25] as some people hate orange and some love it [11:25] it was rather surprising decision [11:25] but a good one [11:26] somehow it reminds me of os x folder blue [11:27] the tango-ones? [11:27] or lapos dapper-icons? [11:27] or the ones proposed for dapper? [11:28] just the colour, for some reason it reminds of os x [11:28] being so bright I guess [11:29] what folder? [11:29] yeah, the orange colour used in folders [11:29] I liked the brown in human yasis but I guess it blends too well with the background they're thinking of [11:30] so orange should have your focus on a brown desktop, I guess [11:30] where can I find human yasis? [11:30] yeah, brown and orange looks good together [11:31] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=33674 [11:34] so, is anyone with me on a bold and brave set following the tango-palette [11:35] do I have to answer? :-) [11:36] I'll surelly help you [11:36] andreasn: using palette where? [11:37] in splashes, gdm etc [11:37] sabdfl is online [11:37] should I try to invite him here? [11:37] andreasn: sure thing if it's not overused. colourful is fine, but too much colours will make epileptic [11:38] lapo: I think many other things keep him busy [11:38] and he watches ML [11:38] unless we really have an agenda here, I wouldn't invite him [11:38] what the hell, go ahead if you want to have a chat with him :) [11:38] maybe he could enlighten us [11:39] let's see === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [11:43] andreasn: you said the decision using orange is good [11:43] I wonder how far will they go with it [11:43] artnay, uhm? [11:44] will it only be used in icons and which icons etc. [11:45] artnay, with the style they are using I think they should do a lot of icons so they can use orange in every place they want [11:45] artnay: well, it would be sane to use it together with brown and gray [11:45] and perhaps some red [11:46] but the rumour has it that brown will be changed for dapper+1 [11:46] which would be a shame [11:48] well, as long as they keep using warm colors and don't go away from the ubuntu-identity so to say [11:52] true, brown is easy to eyes (at least compared to horrible luna) [11:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDapperLook [11:57] #dapper-look [11:58] I wonder why /Artwork isn't being used. that was the idea of it originally, have one place for all artwork stuff [11:58] easier to track changes and get the overall picture [11:58] lapo: I need to go to class now, perhaps you can chat to some people making the decitions [11:59] see you later andreasn [11:59] in #dapper-look [11:59] I'll tune in at 18:00 or something [11:59] bye === miketech [n=miketech@dslb-084-056-215-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:artnay] : watch out for #dapper-look === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:14] hi guys! [12:15] hi mark, tnx for your attention [12:15] and sorry for the intrusion [12:15] btw, I've seen your new dappericons [12:15] np [12:16] i've just seen yours :-) [12:16] I think you should make your artists follows the tango guidelines [12:16] as you can see from the icons I did, you can do it with little modifications [12:16] i'm not mad about the tango guidelines, they seem to need to settle out quite a bit still [12:17] and the whole desktop experience will surelly be better [12:17] uhm..the guidelines are quite clear and simple [12:17] consider that new git will be tango style [12:18] youre icons fits well with the current git, but not so well with the next git [12:18] using tango will give you various benefits [12:18] firt of all less icons to draw :-) [12:18] first even [12:19] doing a complete icon theme is an enormous effort [12:19] have you ever used redhat/fedora? [12:21] bluecurve is the most complete icon theme around (not consider gnome-icon-theme), but it doesn't fits well wit the rest of the icons, so the desktop experience feels uncomplete [12:21] when I use redhat the first thing I do is to change the icon theme to git === adl [n=adl__@213.129.245.27] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:22] using a "tango compliant" theme will let you integrate well with tango and git2 theme at least (as well oxygen probably since thier guidelines are similar to tango's) === adl [n=adl__@213.129.245.27] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:23] so you'll need to draw only the icons revelant for branding (more or less the ones I did) and inherits the rest [12:23] so to summurize [12:24] * less icons to draw [12:24] * better desktop experience [12:24] tango actually have a nice community with lot of good people contributing to it [12:24] so you don't have to maintain a full set of icons [12:27] this is how the next git will looks like: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=git2 [12:28] I think I wasted enough of your time now :-) [12:38] not wasted [12:38] that's useful info [12:42] I have no time to do all the icons for ubuntu, but I can surelly help, you could check on tango-artists ml or on #tango if there are artists who can do the job [12:44] think so too, its useful info if you ask me, no time wasted === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === jimmac [n=jimmac@dsl-tn-1-249.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:58] howdy folks [12:58] yo jimmac [01:00] so what's the latest status on the dapper icon theme? [01:00] not yet [01:01] hey jimmac [01:01] we're hoping to get a first cut of that packaged today [01:02] one thing you probably talked with lapo is about making the style follow tango style guidelines... === jimmac reads the irc backlog === muep [n=joonas@roi-ff37c000-179.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:37] sabdfl: ping [01:45] klepas, try #dapper-look === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:01] jsgotangco: cheers === jsglaptop [n=jsg@125.212.126.102] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-75-114.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lukacu [n=lukacu@cpe-213-157-253-211.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Tatey [n=zingers@60-240-185-168.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h108n3fls33o1104.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork