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| Madpilot | hi robitaille | 06:51 |
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| robitaille | hi Madpilot | 06:51 |
| robotgeek | hey Madpilot robitaille | 06:51 |
| robitaille | Hi robotgeek | 06:52 |
| === robotgeek is writing a k3b section | ||
| robotgeek | Madpilot: do you think it's a good idea to just link to howto's in the kde help menu? | 07:09 |
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| kgoetz | robotgeek: anything you want checked especialy? | 07:11 |
| Madpilot | why not, if someone's already done some work for you, and they're good howtos? | 07:11 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: they are pretty good | 07:12 |
| robotgeek | i'll just tell them what to install, and point them to the guides | 07:12 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html | 07:12 |
| kgoetz | robotgeek: so lots of 'awaiting review' is this a case of 'use it and see if it works', or do you need detailed feedback? | 07:14 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: mostly it should be correct, typos anything really | 07:15 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: basically, if it is wrong, tell me! | 07:15 |
| kgoetz | ok :) | 07:15 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: get the svn however, and look it up there | 07:15 |
| === kgoetz scps svn off desktop to box with kubuntu | ||
| kgoetz | brb. changing into ubuntu for scp :) | 07:16 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: can you wait for about 5 minutes, i'll commit my changes | 07:18 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: or svn up after 5 minutes again :) | 07:18 |
| kgoetz | <grin> robotgeek it will take 5 min to copy i expect :) | 07:20 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, a day or two ago I noticed that there was still a lot of Gnome-specific stuff in KDG, leftovers from UDG. Is that gone? | 07:22 |
| kgoetz | is it possible to scp over a cron job? or do they have to be entered by hand? | 07:22 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: was it the last chapter? | 07:22 |
| Madpilot | yeah, the tips section - which is gone in UDG, btw | 07:22 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: umm, okay. lemme take a deeper look. after i make these changes | 07:24 |
| robotgeek | thanks for the heads up :) | 07:24 |
| Madpilot | np | 07:24 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, you've also got a lot of the graphics cards/3d stuff tagged as Help Wanted - can't that be a straight copy from UDG? | 07:25 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: only to verify the menu entries, i guess | 07:25 |
| robotgeek | they won't install for me, i am ppc | 07:26 |
| === robotgeek should have commented in the source, btwe | ||
| Madpilot | are there Kubuntu Dapper LiveCDs ISOs somewhere? I should pull one down, if I can | 07:26 |
| kgoetz | Madpilot: got room fora chroot? its actualy reasonably easy | 07:27 |
| Madpilot | not in my root partition currently | 07:27 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: cdimage.ubuntu.com | 07:28 |
| === kgoetz just made his kubuntu chroot in his home | ||
| Madpilot | Kubuntu Flight4 torrent started | 07:30 |
| robotgeek | i need to get a image myself, i think | 07:30 |
| robotgeek | i have no clue as to how the default install looks/works | 07:31 |
| Madpilot | heh. That's one problem, we tweak all our installs because we know how, to some degree, and don't get the default experience | 07:31 |
| Madpilot | LiveCDs are useful for that | 07:32 |
| kgoetz | robotgeek: you made that commit? (not rushing you, just wondering) | 07:33 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: 2 more minutes, just validation errors | 07:34 |
| kgoetz | what do you use to look at the svn repo in kde? not yelp i just discovered | 07:43 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: you can use yelp | 07:47 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: commited | 07:47 |
| === kgoetz doesnt have yelp installed - is that wrong? | ||
| robotgeek | kgoetz: it's a gnome thing, install it for quick and dirty xml file viewing | 07:52 |
| kgoetz | nothing in kubuntu to do the job? | 07:52 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: not unless you want to convert xml to html | 07:52 |
| kgoetz | hm. | 07:53 |
| === kgoetz installs yelp | ||
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| Madpilot | anyone know what's with the numbered wikinames lately? There's been a whole raft of edits by folks with exciting nicks like "215" and "220" | 08:39 |
| Madpilot | and "S0106000d88b9f3db" - hope that doesn't have to get typed out too often... | 08:40 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: weird, 130 61 214 also | 08:40 |
| Madpilot | the 215-220 stuff reminds me of class stuff - I remember in wikipedia there was an entire class signed up at once, with sequential nicks like that | 08:41 |
| Madpilot | some 1st year uni journalism class, or something | 08:41 |
| robotgeek | ChinthakaDeshapriya is the guy, i am not sure what's happening and why | 08:42 |
| Madpilot | actually, at least part of that looks like some sort of wiki error - because there are NO familiar nicks in the RecentChanges list | 08:43 |
| Madpilot | yeah, it's some odd error | 08:43 |
| Madpilot | "S0106000d88b9f3db" is actually me, it's a RestrictedFormats edit I did earlier today | 08:44 |
| Madpilot | the bottom of RestrictedFormats still has my nick... WTF? | 08:44 |
| Madpilot | nevermind, I just force-reloaded and it's all back to normal... what was that? | 08:45 |
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| mdke | robotgeek, did you have any luck using the preface.xml? I don't understand wy | 08:51 |
| mdke | why the preface.xml doesn't work and the legal files work | 08:51 |
| mdke | they are identical AFAICS | 08:52 |
| kgoetz | bblish | 08:52 |
| robotgeek | mdke: did not bother, just removed the headers and put in libs/preface.xml | 08:52 |
| robotgeek | in ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/libs to be precise | 08:52 |
| mdke | ok | 08:53 |
| mdke | so weird | 08:53 |
| mdke | why on earth do the licenses work fine | 08:53 |
| mdke | >_< | 08:53 |
| mdke | robotgeek, just reading scrollback, if you do internal links to the kde help documentation, be careful about what happens when we put the documents online | 08:54 |
| robotgeek | mdke: hmm, they don't work | 08:55 |
| robotgeek | :P | 08:55 |
| mdke | right. Maybe it's best not to link, but to refer to the document with words? | 08:55 |
| mdke | we have the same problem with the gnome stuff. | 08:57 |
| robotgeek | mdke: hmm, i can link online? | 08:57 |
| mdke | sure | 08:57 |
| robotgeek | mdke: docs.kde.org also has it mirrored | 08:57 |
| rob | hello mdke | 08:58 |
| mdke | robotgeek, sounds good | 08:58 |
| mdke | robotgeek, hiya | 08:58 |
| mdke | gah | 08:58 |
| mdke | rob, hiya | 08:58 |
| rob | heh | 08:58 |
| robotgeek | mdke: should i retain the khelp links? | 08:58 |
| robotgeek | hey rob | 08:58 |
| rob | hi robotgeek | 08:58 |
| mdke | robotgeek, those won't work online, I presume | 08:58 |
| robotgeek | mdke: no, i can say <ulink url="khelp://blah"> offline link </ulink> | 08:59 |
| robotgeek | along with the online link | 09:00 |
| rob | mdke, do you know much about www.raiclick.it (I'm assuming .it = italian)? | 09:00 |
| rob | god bless babelfish | 09:01 |
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| mdke | robotgeek, ok, if you think it'll make sense in the online version | 09:02 |
| mdke | rob, yes, it = italian | 09:02 |
| robotgeek | mdke: i don't want people without internet to lose out :P | 09:02 |
| mdke | robotgeek, yeah I know. | 09:03 |
| mdke | rob, rai is the state managed television network. that page is a "what's new on rai" sort of thing | 09:03 |
| rob | ah, I see. Someone at work mentioned it today, I'm guessing all the shows are in italian too | 09:04 |
| mdke | yes | 09:05 |
| rob | dam my lack of education about other-then-English languages | 09:06 |
| mdke | heh | 09:07 |
| mdke | it's not the greatest television in the world | 09:07 |
| rob | the guy at work I mentioned downloads around 90gig a month from there | 09:08 |
| mdke | odd chap | 09:09 |
| mdke | is he italian? maybe he is homesick | 09:09 |
| rob | yeah, I'm thinking that | 09:09 |
| rob | he copies them for his parents too | 09:09 |
| rob | he didn't mention he was | 09:09 |
| rob | I did watch a french horror movie last night though, although I couldn't understand a word of it the movie was better then a lot of other horror movies I've seen lately (tried the english dub, couldn't stand that) | 09:11 |
| robitaille | what was the title? | 09:14 |
| rob | umm.. High Tension | 09:16 |
| rob | in English at least | 09:16 |
| mdke | --> work | 09:22 |
| robitaille | humm...never heard of that movie. But I'm not watching so many french movies nowadays | 09:31 |
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| robotgeek | Madpilot: i've lost the tips and tricks chapter in kdg too | 09:53 |
| robotgeek | not today, previously | 09:53 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, it's still in SVN, and still full of Gnome-specific tricks | 09:56 |
| robotgeek | http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html | 09:57 |
| robotgeek | ignore chapter4, other than that i think i've gotten to all | 09:57 |
| Madpilot | there's still a tips-and-tricks.xml in your directory of our SVN, though - are you just leaving it out of the build scripts? | 09:59 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: oops, yeah. i need to delete that | 09:59 |
| robotgeek | thanks! | 09:59 |
| Madpilot | np - you had me confused for a while there :P | 10:00 |
| robotgeek | same here! | 10:00 |
| Madpilot | I hadn't realized that "Kubuntu" actually meant something, thought it was just "KDE + Ubuntu". Cool. | 10:04 |
| mdke | it was accidental, I believe | 10:05 |
| mdke | pretty cool tho | 10:06 |
| Madpilot | heh | 10:06 |
| kgoetz | Madpilot: you reading the starter guide? | 10:06 |
| Madpilot | kgoetz, Kubuntu Desktop Guide | 10:06 |
| kgoetz | *sp ;P | 10:06 |
| === kgoetz views it also | ||
| Madpilot | robotgeek, style suggestion: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/add-applications.html <-- here, loose the sentence "You may also wish to increase the number of programs available to install through your package managers." - it just repeats what's said better in the next two sentences | 10:07 |
| === robotgeek suggests svn updating | ||
| Madpilot | ...that's what I get for reading the out-of-date website version, isn't it? :P | 10:08 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: oh no, not you | 10:08 |
| robotgeek | i'm going to lose the thing, | 10:08 |
| === kgoetz wonders if 1.1.7 is correct - para 2 o_0 | ||
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i lost the thing, i will commit with next change | 10:09 |
| kgoetz | will kubuntu be shipping cds as of dapper (i heard it will?) | 10:14 |
| === mdke has a look at bulking up the Office section of the Desktop Guide | ||
| Madpilot | mdke, I know OpenOffice is mentioned in the intro, but it's odd that our Office section doesn't mention it at all... | 10:19 |
| mdke | i'm adding it now | 10:20 |
| mdke | and gnome-office too | 10:20 |
| Madpilot | good | 10:20 |
| Madpilot | mdke, we should try and tie into that set of example documents that's being prepped for Dapper | 10:27 |
| mdke | Madpilot, what do you have in mind? | 10:27 |
| Madpilot | something like, "To see some of what you can do in <app>, see the example content <in filesystem>" - for stuff like OO Present, maybe | 10:28 |
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| Madpilot | Impress, rather | 10:29 |
| mdke | hmm good idea. we can wait and see how they tie the example content into the applications | 10:31 |
| mdke | Madpilot, by the way I saw your comment about gnucash and menu entries. For an example of what I've been doing for programs without menu entries, check out dvdrip | 10:31 |
| mdke | tell me if you think that is reasonable | 10:31 |
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| Madpilot | mdke, yeah, that works. | 10:32 |
| mdke | cool | 10:33 |
| === robotgeek is considering getting rid of dvdrip method inview of easier way with k3b | ||
| robotgeek | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/extragear-multimedia/k3b/howtos.html#videointroduction | 10:37 |
| Madpilot | k3b rips DVD too? | 10:38 |
| mdke | robotgeek, what is the default way to do it with the desktop? | 10:39 |
| robotgeek | mdke: i don't follow | 10:39 |
| robotgeek | mdke: what do you mean? | 10:40 |
| mdke | is there a dvdripper with the desktop? | 10:41 |
| mdke | installed by default | 10:41 |
| robotgeek | mdke: hmm, k3b does it on kde | 10:42 |
| mdke | sounds good then | 10:42 |
| kgoetz | ping robotgeek? | 10:46 |
| robotgeek | pong kgoetz | 10:46 |
| kgoetz | when do you want feedback? and do you want diffs for any sugestions? | 10:46 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: anytime, diffs would be great! | 10:47 |
| kgoetz | ill try and get you something tonight (my tonight ;D), no promices about usefullness:) | 10:48 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: do you have a digital camera? | 10:48 |
| kgoetz | robotgeek: one up at the house, yeh | 10:49 |
| mdke | Madpilot, Ok I've committed the office stuff. Take a look whenever | 10:50 |
| robotgeek | kgoetz: might be useful to verify the digital camera section, i wrote one without having one, lol | 10:50 |
| kgoetz | lol. right... ;) i usualy use mine as a mass storage device, but i will look at the camera section :) | 10:50 |
| kgoetz | jebediah <- is taht a biblical name? just wondering (noticed it in the docs) | 10:52 |
| Madpilot | mdke, I just skimmed the commit email, it looks good. | 10:52 |
| mdke | Madpilot, cool | 11:00 |
| mdke | what else needs doing? | 11:01 |
| Madpilot | not sure - I'll have another look thru it tomorrow | 11:01 |
| mdke | damn the guide is good | 11:01 |
| mdke | perhaps the Internet section needs a bit of love | 11:02 |
| mdke | oh and games | 11:03 |
| Madpilot | games could do with a few intro blurbs - what is Frozen-Bubble, etc | 11:03 |
| Madpilot | so could some of the other sections, actually | 11:03 |
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| robotgeek | Madpilot: thanks for the suggestion, committed | 11:04 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, np | 11:04 |
| robotgeek | -> bed | 11:05 |
| mdke | night | 11:05 |
| kgoetz | later mate | 11:06 |
| mdke | what's English for "spatial mode"? | 11:06 |
| Madpilot | "barfing lots of windows all over the place" | 11:07 |
| kgoetz | which one is that again? | 11:07 |
| kgoetz | oh, lol | 11:07 |
| Madpilot | it's a Nautilus setting | 11:07 |
| mdke | hmm | 11:07 |
| kgoetz | i remember the pain when it got removed (lists went crazy), i just wasnt sure what it meant ;) | 11:07 |
| mdke | i can't use the word "barf" | 11:07 |
| Madpilot | :D | 11:08 |
| Madpilot | why not? | 11:08 |
| mdke | well, I could | 11:08 |
| mdke | good point | 11:08 |
| crimsun | no, but you can use the verb to open | 11:08 |
| mdke | "How to make nautilus open windows all over the place"? | 11:08 |
| Madpilot | "How to make Nautilus open one window per directory"? | 11:08 |
| mdke | maybe it's "Window Mode"? | 11:08 |
| Madpilot | you could compare it to MS's 'My Computer', which also chucks windows everywhere | 11:09 |
| crimsun | or perhaps more precisely, "How to have Nautilus open a new window for each directory" | 11:09 |
| mdke | hmm | 11:10 |
| mdke | it's a bit long winded | 11:10 |
| mdke | but it's better than "Spatial Mode" | 11:10 |
| Madpilot | "How to enable the most irritating feature ever coded into Gnome" :P | 11:10 |
| mdke | by several million percent | 11:10 |
| mdke | Madpilot, if it's that irritating, we don't need to document it. But some people must like it, surely | 11:11 |
| Madpilot | I guess they do, so we should document it. someone must have thought it was a good idea, to code it in the first place | 11:11 |
| mdke | yep, and I think it's still in the preferences, which means it must be regarded as a really good idea | 11:12 |
| mdke | oh, we need to rewrite the windows partition section too | 11:12 |
| mdke | apparently it can be done in the hardware gui | 11:12 |
| poningru | in the wiki can we have inpage template usage? | 11:19 |
| poningru | make it for things like 'make sure to have your universe and multiverse repos turned on' | 11:20 |
| poningru | etc | 11:20 |
| Madpilot | poningru, macros, you mean? | 11:34 |
| poningru | yeah I guess | 11:37 |
| poningru | wikipedia calls it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages | 11:38 |
| mdke | Madpilot, ah, gnome-office includes planner, dia and inkscape too :) | 11:41 |
| mdke | that's easy | 11:41 |
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| kgoetz | do we have/need a section on dpkg ? | 12:06 |
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| mdke | kgoetz, no, and no, I think | 12:08 |
| kgoetz | mdke: ok | 12:09 |
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| mdke | are we going to document backports in the Desktop Guide? | 01:22 |
| jsgotangco | it would be a good idea if writers still have time to add those | 01:31 |
| mdke | yeah we can do it, I guess | 01:32 |
| kgoetz | apart from adding them to list list of enableable repositories, what is there to write? background info? | 01:33 |
| mdke | what it is, risks etc | 01:33 |
| jsgotangco | as long as they use ubuntu backports i guess its ok, and treat them the same way as multiverse | 01:34 |
| kgoetz | and dont upgrade between versions with them on :/ iv seen that before | 01:34 |
| jsgotangco | argg malone spam :P | 01:34 |
| mdke | the proper way to treat backports is treating them as the unstable distribution | 01:34 |
| mdke | i think | 01:34 |
| jsgotangco | that would be much better | 01:35 |
| kgoetz | sounds good | 01:35 |
| mdke | since they are simply packages from the unstable distribution, made for the current stable | 01:35 |
| mdke | spam??? | 01:37 |
| === mdke jumps on jsgotangco | ||
| jsgotangco | it must be nice to have lots of free time at work :D | 01:38 |
| mdke | i don't have lots | 01:38 |
| mdke | but today I am quite free | 01:38 |
| jsgotangco | im currently somewhere waayyyyy down south with shitty internet | 01:39 |
| === mdke stops with malone | ||
| jsgotangco | c'mon don't be shy :) | 01:42 |
| mdke | there are no more bugs :( | 01:42 |
| kgoetz | hehe | 01:42 |
| === kgoetz is making a list for KDG (KSG?) | ||
| mdke | DG | 01:43 |
| kgoetz | ok | 01:43 |
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| onkarshinde | Hello guys. | 01:50 |
| onkarshinde | Need some advice | 01:50 |
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| mdke | onkarshinde, what sort of advice? | 01:50 |
| onkarshinde | mdke: SOny Ericsson phones provide functionality for remote control over bluetooth. I am creating page foe this on wiki. | 01:51 |
| mdke | onkarshinde, ok, ask away | 01:51 |
| onkarshinde | I have created a configuration file to control Totem. I am just note sure where to put the file. | 01:51 |
| mdke | you can paste it on the page, if it is short | 01:52 |
| mdke | by the way, did you see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothSetup? | 01:52 |
| mdke | you might be able to integrate your page into that one | 01:52 |
| onkarshinde | mdke: I checked that page. I don't think I can integrate my page with it. | 01:53 |
| jsgotangco | onkarshinde, did you actually get it to work??? | 01:53 |
| === jsgotangco has an SE phone too | ||
| onkarshinde | The file is actually tar archive which contains an image and a configuration file. Also the configuration file is very large with almost every key on phone mapped to some command in Totem | 01:54 |
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: Yes I did. | 01:54 |
| === jsgotangco has a presentation in a few days and would kiss you if he gets it to work | ||
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: The Presentation profile provised by default doesn't seem to woth in OOo impress. The Desktop cinfiguration works. It is not very hard to create new configuration file. | 01:55 |
| jsgotangco | oh | 01:55 |
| jsgotangco | its still a good start | 01:55 |
| === jsgotangco really likes this feature in his k600i | ||
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: Many SE phones provide this functionality. | 01:56 |
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: Will upload Totem configuration somewhere in 5-10 minutes and will let you know. | 01:57 |
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| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: Here you go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothRemote | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | wowee zoweee | 02:21 |
| onkarshinde | This is my first page on Wiki. I hope the way content is represented is okay. | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh so the config file is just a simple xml file | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | the key bindings look very much the same with a k600i | 02:23 |
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: That is why I said it is easy to make it. But wouldn't it be good if everything is just two click install and run? | 02:24 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 02:24 |
| jsgotangco | on windows you just say you want an HID and it just works | 02:25 |
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: Windows XP works out of box. Windows 2k requires some application to handle HID. | 02:25 |
| jsgotangco | i only tried XP | 02:26 |
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: Please try Totem configuration on Linux and add your phone to the list if it works. | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | yep i'll try it later | 02:27 |
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: Thanks. | 02:27 |
| jsgotangco | thanks for the wiki page too! | 02:27 |
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: I am not sure how many other phones like Nokia or Motorola provide this functionality. | 02:27 |
| jsgotangco | i have 3 bluetooth phones i can try | 02:28 |
| === jsgotangco has a nokia and wife has moto | ||
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: Of course for them configuration format will be somewhat different. | 02:29 |
| jsgotangco | i'll look for them when i get to finish some stuff | 02:30 |
| jsgotangco | but i can guess the k600 would run just like your config | 02:30 |
| onkarshinde | jsgotangco: Yes. it would. And all other SE phones that provide this functionality | 02:32 |
| kgoetz | robotgeek: i just went start to finish through the desktop guide. now i have my list of 'interesting' points, ill start doing diffs | 03:30 |
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| mdke | "Get your Crack Here" doesn't seem to ring true | 03:43 |
| kgoetz | "Break my Ubuntu?" :) | 03:44 |
| mdke | tricky | 03:44 |
| kgoetz | hm. | 03:45 |
| kgoetz | what does the title need to convey? "here be backports"? | 03:45 |
| kgoetz | or something deeper? | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | Bleeding edge for your insatiable thirst | 03:46 |
| mdke | it needs to say what they are, i guess | 03:51 |
| mdke | Experimental New Packages, or something | 03:52 |
| mdke | dammit, gnome-software-properties doesn't have a backports entry, afaics | 03:52 |
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| kgoetz | ping? anyone awake? | 05:53 |
| kgoetz | i have a total of 60k of diffs. should i email them direct to robotgeek, or send a few emails to the list? | 05:53 |
| mdke | whoa | 05:54 |
| mdke | direct to him | 05:54 |
| kgoetz | ok. thanks | 05:54 |
| mdke | nice work | 05:54 |
| kgoetz | wow. i think it even validated ;). ok. im sending email and crashing.3.30 am is after my bedtime :/ | 05:55 |
| kgoetz | ty | 05:55 |
| kgoetz | night | 05:56 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: ping? | 06:23 |
| mdke | LaserJock, yo | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | mdke: the doc-base thing | 06:25 |
| mdke | ah goody | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | we can include a docbase file in the .deb | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not entirely sure what all that would give us | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | but I do maintain a package with one | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | mdke: a quick run down is at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-doc-base | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | mdke: it seems mostly for HTML files. Are we shipping HTML too? | 06:28 |
| mdke | not much, no | 06:28 |
| mdke | actually, we are shipping it, but only the xml is registered in scrollkeeper | 06:29 |
| mdke | does docbase do xml too? | 06:29 |
| mdke | enrico, ^ | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I'm not sure, it does info, ps and html for sure. The man page says that all non-man docs should be registered with it | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | mdke: hmm, the manual says 'Only "HTML", "DebianDoc-SGML", and "Text" is recognized.' | 06:33 |
| mdke | interesting | 06:33 |
| mdke | i'm not going to get that excited about this tho | 06:34 |
| mdke | lots of writing to be done | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | mdke: anyway, I don't know if we should bother but if we do want to register the docs in docbase I can write the file for debian/ | 06:36 |
| enrico | mdke: hi | 06:36 |
| enrico | yumm docbase | 06:36 |
| mdke | enrico, ciao. ^^ | 06:36 |
| enrico | :) | 06:36 |
| enrico | Have you installed the package doc-base? | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | I have | 06:38 |
| enrico | had a look at /usr/share/doc/doc-base/doc-base.html ? | 06:38 |
| enrico | (or /usr/share/doc/doc-base/doc-base.txt.gz) | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | yep | 06:39 |
| enrico | LaserJock: oh, you quoted it above, sorry | 06:39 |
| enrico | So, you use doc-base to register the documentation with a system documentation database | 06:40 |
| enrico | if you have xml that is not debiandoc-sgml, then don't register it | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | right, but it would only do the HTML I think | 06:40 |
| enrico | same for info and ps | 06:40 |
| enrico | right, only do the html | 06:40 |
| enrico | for info there's a dh_registerinfo or something similar | 06:41 |
| enrico | lemme see | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | how many people use dwww or dhelp? | 06:41 |
| enrico | dh_installinfo | 06:41 |
| enrico | LaserJock: AFAIK very few, but a tool that accesses that database could come out at any time | 06:41 |
| enrico | LaserJock: so the small effort of writing the docbase file can pay off somewhere in the future | 06:42 |
| enrico | let's say it's one of those things that "bring you good luck" :) | 06:42 |
| enrico | It's really a matter of putting it down following the example in the file | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | makes sense. it isn't hard to do. I've already done one for one of the packages I maintain in Debian | 06:42 |
| enrico | Document: quickguide | 06:42 |
| enrico | Title: The Ubuntu Quick Guide | 06:42 |
| enrico | Author: LaserJock | 06:43 |
| mdke | so we'll need to decide whether to ship HTML or not | 06:43 |
| enrico | Abstract: ... | 06:43 |
| enrico | and so on | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yeah | 06:43 |
| mdke | enrico, do you need to register each translation with doc-base? | 06:43 |
| enrico | .oO([HTML or not] oh no, not again!) :) | 06:43 |
| mdke | enrico, we'll definitely be shipping xml. It's just a question of whether to ship the html too. For the Server Guide, it makes sense to ship it | 06:44 |
| enrico | mdke: [translation] now, that's a good question. The doc-base manual doesn't mention it | 06:44 |
| enrico | I'm asking around about translations | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | I just took a look with dhelp and it seems pretty cool. | 06:46 |
| enrico | mdke: don't worry. I just remember some loooong discussions about it in the past | 06:46 |
| mdke | yeah, i remember | 06:46 |
| mdke | thanks for asking around | 06:46 |
| enrico | I don't seem to be getting answers yet, though :( | 06:46 |
| mdke | np | 06:49 |
| enrico | well, if I get answers I'll let you know. If I don't get answers, then you just register the untranslated documents and wait for a bug report :) | 06:50 |
| enrico | (and then you can ask the bug reporter how to do it) | 06:50 |
| mdke | lol | 06:50 |
| mdke | ok, thanks | 06:50 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: if decision is made to do register the docs just assign the bug to me and I'll take care of it | 06:50 |
| mdke | consider the decision made :) | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | as a yes? | 06:50 |
| mdke | it can't do any harm to register them, right? | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so | 06:51 |
| mdke | ok | 06:51 |
| mdke | --> home | 06:51 |
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| johndarkhorse | bah, wrong room. | 07:02 |
| johndarkhorse | who is in charge of the server? | 07:02 |
| johndarkhorse | folks are getting 403s | 07:02 |
| johndarkhorse | at the wiki | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | hmmm | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | there was some downtime last night 03:00-06:00 UTC | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | it's working fine now | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | Canonical was moving some stuff around | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | johndarkhorse: need anything else? | 07:07 |
| johndarkhorse | nah, i'll inform all concerned. | 07:07 |
| johndarkhorse | thanks | 07:07 |
| johndarkhorse | duh, i'm using the wrong nick | 07:07 |
| johndarkhorse | y'all be good | 07:07 |
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| enrico | mdke: my trusted localization top-expert told me that he has no idea :-/ | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | lol | 08:01 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: question. The system menu entries like "K-Menu -> Multimedia -> Media Player (Kaffeine)" | 08:08 |
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| robotgeek | should be exactly the same, right. as in Media Player (Kaffeine) and not Kaffine (Media Player) | 08:09 |
| jjesse | should match what is in the K-Menu is my view | 08:09 |
| jjesse | in my dapper build it is Kaffine (Media Player) | 08:09 |
| robotgeek | damn, it says otherwise in mine | 08:10 |
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| jjesse | hmmm | 08:10 |
| jjesse | all of mine are like that AmaroK (Audio Player) etc | 08:10 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: damn, that will take a lot of changing, i think i need to write a vim macro now. *sigh* | 08:11 |
| jjesse | whouldn't it make sense to have it look exactly like the kmenu is setup? | 08:11 |
| jjesse | btw it should be an emacs macro :) | 08:11 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: yes it would, except that that was the way it shows up in mine. | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | I suppose it would depend on how fresh your install is, that is usually one of the first things I change | 08:12 |
| robotgeek | you can change that? | 08:12 |
| jjesse | i didn't know you could change it, mine is dapper4 with latest updates | 08:13 |
| robotgeek | i think mine was the same, flight 4 with updates | 08:13 |
| robotgeek | wow, there are many spelling mistakes in the docs | 08:19 |
| robotgeek | aspell --mode=sgml -c foo.xml | 08:19 |
| jjesse | fx them!!!! | 08:19 |
| robotgeek | yeah, fixing them | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | it is a configuration you can change, so if you have an old ~/ then you might have them different | 08:21 |
| jjesse | i'm a fresh install | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I thought it was the other way around by default, maybe they changed that | 08:22 |
| robotgeek | oh yes, i moved my .kde from older machine | 08:23 |
| robotgeek | <sigh> | 08:23 |
| jjesse | d'oh!!! | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | glad I could help ;-) | 08:23 |
| robotgeek | oh well, i'll finish spell checking and then fix the menu entries | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | although that is terrible since I haven't run KDE for months | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | you guys are supposed to be the KDE experts :) | 08:24 |
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| LaserJock | oh yeah, how about commas, I'm terrible about them | 08:25 |
| robotgeek | commited | 09:08 |
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| robotgeek | mdke: would you know if "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common" is present on doc.ubuntu.com | 10:45 |
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