=== inuksuk [n=inuksuk@CPE0050f2cf3b77-CM0011e6ee0a42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@Toronto-HSE-ppp3774155.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sdquinn [n=squinn@69.203.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral is away: Shower! === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:51] hi robitaille [06:51] hi Madpilot [06:51] hey Madpilot robitaille [06:52] Hi robotgeek === robotgeek is writing a k3b section [07:09] Madpilot: do you think it's a good idea to just link to howto's in the kde help menu? === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@ppp199-93.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:11] robotgeek: anything you want checked especialy? [07:11] why not, if someone's already done some work for you, and they're good howtos? [07:12] Madpilot: they are pretty good [07:12] i'll just tell them what to install, and point them to the guides [07:12] kgoetz: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html [07:14] robotgeek: so lots of 'awaiting review' is this a case of 'use it and see if it works', or do you need detailed feedback? [07:15] kgoetz: mostly it should be correct, typos anything really [07:15] kgoetz: basically, if it is wrong, tell me! [07:15] ok :) [07:15] kgoetz: get the svn however, and look it up there === kgoetz scps svn off desktop to box with kubuntu [07:16] brb. changing into ubuntu for scp :) [07:18] kgoetz: can you wait for about 5 minutes, i'll commit my changes [07:18] kgoetz: or svn up after 5 minutes again :) [07:20] robotgeek it will take 5 min to copy i expect :) [07:22] robotgeek, a day or two ago I noticed that there was still a lot of Gnome-specific stuff in KDG, leftovers from UDG. Is that gone? [07:22] is it possible to scp over a cron job? or do they have to be entered by hand? [07:22] Madpilot: was it the last chapter? [07:22] yeah, the tips section - which is gone in UDG, btw [07:24] Madpilot: umm, okay. lemme take a deeper look. after i make these changes [07:24] thanks for the heads up :) [07:24] np [07:25] robotgeek, you've also got a lot of the graphics cards/3d stuff tagged as Help Wanted - can't that be a straight copy from UDG? [07:25] Madpilot: only to verify the menu entries, i guess [07:26] they won't install for me, i am ppc === robotgeek should have commented in the source, btwe [07:26] are there Kubuntu Dapper LiveCDs ISOs somewhere? I should pull one down, if I can [07:27] Madpilot: got room fora chroot? its actualy reasonably easy [07:27] not in my root partition currently [07:28] Madpilot: cdimage.ubuntu.com === kgoetz just made his kubuntu chroot in his home [07:30] Kubuntu Flight4 torrent started [07:30] i need to get a image myself, i think [07:31] i have no clue as to how the default install looks/works [07:31] heh. That's one problem, we tweak all our installs because we know how, to some degree, and don't get the default experience [07:32] LiveCDs are useful for that [07:33] robotgeek: you made that commit? (not rushing you, just wondering) [07:34] kgoetz: 2 more minutes, just validation errors [07:43] what do you use to look at the svn repo in kde? not yelp i just discovered [07:47] kgoetz: you can use yelp [07:47] kgoetz: commited === kgoetz doesnt have yelp installed - is that wrong? [07:52] kgoetz: it's a gnome thing, install it for quick and dirty xml file viewing [07:52] nothing in kubuntu to do the job? [07:52] kgoetz: not unless you want to convert xml to html [07:53] hm. === kgoetz installs yelp === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kgoetz grits teeth and actualy installs yelp this time [08:39] anyone know what's with the numbered wikinames lately? There's been a whole raft of edits by folks with exciting nicks like "215" and "220" [08:40] and "S0106000d88b9f3db" - hope that doesn't have to get typed out too often... [08:40] Madpilot: weird, 130 61 214 also [08:41] the 215-220 stuff reminds me of class stuff - I remember in wikipedia there was an entire class signed up at once, with sequential nicks like that [08:41] some 1st year uni journalism class, or something [08:42] ChinthakaDeshapriya is the guy, i am not sure what's happening and why [08:43] actually, at least part of that looks like some sort of wiki error - because there are NO familiar nicks in the RecentChanges list [08:43] yeah, it's some odd error [08:44] "S0106000d88b9f3db" is actually me, it's a RestrictedFormats edit I did earlier today [08:44] the bottom of RestrictedFormats still has my nick... WTF? [08:45] nevermind, I just force-reloaded and it's all back to normal... what was that? === rob [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:51] robotgeek, did you have any luck using the preface.xml? I don't understand wy [08:51] why the preface.xml doesn't work and the legal files work [08:52] they are identical AFAICS [08:52] bblish [08:52] mdke: did not bother, just removed the headers and put in libs/preface.xml [08:52] in ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/libs to be precise [08:53] ok [08:53] so weird [08:53] why on earth do the licenses work fine [08:53] >_< [08:54] robotgeek, just reading scrollback, if you do internal links to the kde help documentation, be careful about what happens when we put the documents online [08:55] mdke: hmm, they don't work [08:55] :P [08:55] right. Maybe it's best not to link, but to refer to the document with words? [08:57] we have the same problem with the gnome stuff. [08:57] mdke: hmm, i can link online? [08:57] sure [08:57] mdke: docs.kde.org also has it mirrored [08:58] hello mdke [08:58] robotgeek, sounds good [08:58] robotgeek, hiya [08:58] gah [08:58] rob, hiya [08:58] heh [08:58] mdke: should i retain the khelp links? [08:58] hey rob [08:58] hi robotgeek [08:58] robotgeek, those won't work online, I presume [08:59] mdke: no, i can say offline link [09:00] along with the online link [09:00] mdke, do you know much about www.raiclick.it (I'm assuming .it = italian)? [09:01] god bless babelfish === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-143-193.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:02] robotgeek, ok, if you think it'll make sense in the online version [09:02] rob, yes, it = italian [09:02] mdke: i don't want people without internet to lose out :P [09:03] robotgeek, yeah I know. [09:03] rob, rai is the state managed television network. that page is a "what's new on rai" sort of thing [09:04] ah, I see. Someone at work mentioned it today, I'm guessing all the shows are in italian too [09:05] yes [09:06] dam my lack of education about other-then-English languages [09:07] heh [09:07] it's not the greatest television in the world [09:08] the guy at work I mentioned downloads around 90gig a month from there [09:09] odd chap [09:09] is he italian? maybe he is homesick [09:09] yeah, I'm thinking that [09:09] he copies them for his parents too [09:09] he didn't mention he was [09:11] I did watch a french horror movie last night though, although I couldn't understand a word of it the movie was better then a lot of other horror movies I've seen lately (tried the english dub, couldn't stand that) [09:14] what was the title? [09:16] umm.. High Tension [09:16] in English at least [09:22] --> work [09:31] humm...never heard of that movie. But I'm not watching so many french movies nowadays === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-155-134.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:53] Madpilot: i've lost the tips and tricks chapter in kdg too [09:53] not today, previously [09:56] robotgeek, it's still in SVN, and still full of Gnome-specific tricks [09:57] http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html [09:57] ignore chapter4, other than that i think i've gotten to all [09:59] there's still a tips-and-tricks.xml in your directory of our SVN, though - are you just leaving it out of the build scripts? [09:59] Madpilot: oops, yeah. i need to delete that [09:59] thanks! [10:00] np - you had me confused for a while there :P [10:00] same here! [10:04] I hadn't realized that "Kubuntu" actually meant something, thought it was just "KDE + Ubuntu". Cool. [10:05] it was accidental, I believe [10:06] pretty cool tho [10:06] heh [10:06] Madpilot: you reading the starter guide? [10:06] kgoetz, Kubuntu Desktop Guide [10:06] *sp ;P === kgoetz views it also [10:07] robotgeek, style suggestion: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/add-applications.html <-- here, loose the sentence "You may also wish to increase the number of programs available to install through your package managers." - it just repeats what's said better in the next two sentences === robotgeek suggests svn updating [10:08] ...that's what I get for reading the out-of-date website version, isn't it? :P [10:08] Madpilot: oh no, not you [10:08] i'm going to lose the thing, === kgoetz wonders if 1.1.7 is correct - para 2 o_0 [10:09] Madpilot: i lost the thing, i will commit with next change [10:14] will kubuntu be shipping cds as of dapper (i heard it will?) === mdke has a look at bulking up the Office section of the Desktop Guide [10:19] mdke, I know OpenOffice is mentioned in the intro, but it's odd that our Office section doesn't mention it at all... [10:20] i'm adding it now [10:20] and gnome-office too [10:20] good [10:27] mdke, we should try and tie into that set of example documents that's being prepped for Dapper [10:27] Madpilot, what do you have in mind? [10:28] something like, "To see some of what you can do in , see the example content " - for stuff like OO Present, maybe === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-138-6.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:29] Impress, rather [10:31] hmm good idea. we can wait and see how they tie the example content into the applications [10:31] Madpilot, by the way I saw your comment about gnucash and menu entries. For an example of what I've been doing for programs without menu entries, check out dvdrip [10:31] tell me if you think that is reasonable === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:32] mdke, yeah, that works. [10:33] cool === robotgeek is considering getting rid of dvdrip method inview of easier way with k3b [10:37] http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/extragear-multimedia/k3b/howtos.html#videointroduction [10:38] k3b rips DVD too? [10:39] robotgeek, what is the default way to do it with the desktop? [10:39] mdke: i don't follow [10:40] mdke: what do you mean? [10:41] is there a dvdripper with the desktop? [10:41] installed by default [10:42] mdke: hmm, k3b does it on kde [10:42] sounds good then [10:46] ping robotgeek? [10:46] pong kgoetz [10:46] when do you want feedback? and do you want diffs for any sugestions? [10:47] kgoetz: anytime, diffs would be great! [10:48] ill try and get you something tonight (my tonight ;D), no promices about usefullness:) [10:48] kgoetz: do you have a digital camera? [10:49] robotgeek: one up at the house, yeh [10:50] Madpilot, Ok I've committed the office stuff. Take a look whenever [10:50] kgoetz: might be useful to verify the digital camera section, i wrote one without having one, lol [10:50] lol. right... ;) i usualy use mine as a mass storage device, but i will look at the camera section :) [10:52] jebediah <- is taht a biblical name? just wondering (noticed it in the docs) [10:52] mdke, I just skimmed the commit email, it looks good. [11:00] Madpilot, cool [11:01] what else needs doing? [11:01] not sure - I'll have another look thru it tomorrow [11:01] damn the guide is good [11:02] perhaps the Internet section needs a bit of love [11:03] oh and games [11:03] games could do with a few intro blurbs - what is Frozen-Bubble, etc [11:03] so could some of the other sections, actually === mdke nods [11:04] Madpilot: thanks for the suggestion, committed [11:04] robotgeek, np [11:05] -> bed [11:05] night [11:06] later mate [11:06] what's English for "spatial mode"? [11:07] "barfing lots of windows all over the place" [11:07] which one is that again? [11:07] oh, lol [11:07] it's a Nautilus setting [11:07] hmm [11:07] i remember the pain when it got removed (lists went crazy), i just wasnt sure what it meant ;) [11:07] i can't use the word "barf" [11:08] :D [11:08] why not? [11:08] well, I could [11:08] good point [11:08] no, but you can use the verb to open [11:08] "How to make nautilus open windows all over the place"? [11:08] "How to make Nautilus open one window per directory"? [11:08] maybe it's "Window Mode"? [11:09] you could compare it to MS's 'My Computer', which also chucks windows everywhere [11:09] or perhaps more precisely, "How to have Nautilus open a new window for each directory" [11:10] hmm [11:10] it's a bit long winded [11:10] but it's better than "Spatial Mode" [11:10] "How to enable the most irritating feature ever coded into Gnome" :P [11:10] by several million percent [11:11] Madpilot, if it's that irritating, we don't need to document it. But some people must like it, surely [11:11] I guess they do, so we should document it. someone must have thought it was a good idea, to code it in the first place [11:12] yep, and I think it's still in the preferences, which means it must be regarded as a really good idea [11:12] oh, we need to rewrite the windows partition section too [11:12] apparently it can be done in the hardware gui [11:19] in the wiki can we have inpage template usage? [11:20] make it for things like 'make sure to have your universe and multiverse repos turned on' [11:20] etc [11:34] poningru, macros, you mean? [11:37] yeah I guess [11:38] wikipedia calls it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages [11:41] Madpilot, ah, gnome-office includes planner, dia and inkscape too :) [11:41] that's easy === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:06] do we have/need a section on dpkg ? === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-147-211.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:08] kgoetz, no, and no, I think [12:09] mdke: ok === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-160.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-138-6.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:22] are we going to document backports in the Desktop Guide? [01:31] it would be a good idea if writers still have time to add those [01:32] yeah we can do it, I guess [01:33] apart from adding them to list list of enableable repositories, what is there to write? background info? [01:33] what it is, risks etc [01:34] as long as they use ubuntu backports i guess its ok, and treat them the same way as multiverse [01:34] and dont upgrade between versions with them on :/ iv seen that before [01:34] argg malone spam :P [01:34] the proper way to treat backports is treating them as the unstable distribution [01:34] i think [01:35] that would be much better [01:35] sounds good [01:35] since they are simply packages from the unstable distribution, made for the current stable [01:37] spam??? === mdke jumps on jsgotangco [01:38] it must be nice to have lots of free time at work :D [01:38] i don't have lots [01:38] but today I am quite free [01:39] im currently somewhere waayyyyy down south with shitty internet === mdke stops with malone [01:42] c'mon don't be shy :) [01:42] there are no more bugs :( [01:42] hehe === kgoetz is making a list for KDG (KSG?) [01:43] DG [01:43] ok === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === onkarshinde [n=onkarshi@203.199.147.101] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:50] Hello guys. [01:50] Need some advice === _bert_ [n=bert@202-136-109-65.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:50] onkarshinde, what sort of advice? [01:51] mdke: SOny Ericsson phones provide functionality for remote control over bluetooth. I am creating page foe this on wiki. [01:51] onkarshinde, ok, ask away [01:51] I have created a configuration file to control Totem. I am just note sure where to put the file. [01:52] you can paste it on the page, if it is short [01:52] by the way, did you see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothSetup? [01:52] you might be able to integrate your page into that one [01:53] mdke: I checked that page. I don't think I can integrate my page with it. [01:53] onkarshinde, did you actually get it to work??? === jsgotangco has an SE phone too [01:54] The file is actually tar archive which contains an image and a configuration file. Also the configuration file is very large with almost every key on phone mapped to some command in Totem [01:54] jsgotangco: Yes I did. === jsgotangco has a presentation in a few days and would kiss you if he gets it to work [01:55] jsgotangco: The Presentation profile provised by default doesn't seem to woth in OOo impress. The Desktop cinfiguration works. It is not very hard to create new configuration file. [01:55] oh [01:55] its still a good start === jsgotangco really likes this feature in his k600i [01:56] jsgotangco: Many SE phones provide this functionality. [01:57] jsgotangco: Will upload Totem configuration somewhere in 5-10 minutes and will let you know. === jsglaptop [n=jsg@125.212.126.102] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _bert_ [n=bert@202-136-109-65.ip.adam.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [02:21] jsgotangco: Here you go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothRemote [02:21] wowee zoweee [02:22] This is my first page on Wiki. I hope the way content is represented is okay. [02:23] ahhh so the config file is just a simple xml file [02:23] the key bindings look very much the same with a k600i [02:24] jsgotangco: That is why I said it is easy to make it. But wouldn't it be good if everything is just two click install and run? [02:24] yes [02:25] on windows you just say you want an HID and it just works [02:25] jsgotangco: Windows XP works out of box. Windows 2k requires some application to handle HID. [02:26] i only tried XP [02:26] jsgotangco: Please try Totem configuration on Linux and add your phone to the list if it works. [02:27] yep i'll try it later [02:27] jsgotangco: Thanks. [02:27] thanks for the wiki page too! [02:27] jsgotangco: I am not sure how many other phones like Nokia or Motorola provide this functionality. [02:28] i have 3 bluetooth phones i can try === jsgotangco has a nokia and wife has moto [02:29] jsgotangco: Of course for them configuration format will be somewhat different. [02:30] i'll look for them when i get to finish some stuff [02:30] but i can guess the k600 would run just like your config [02:32] jsgotangco: Yes. it would. And all other SE phones that provide this functionality [03:30] robotgeek: i just went start to finish through the desktop guide. now i have my list of 'interesting' points, ill start doing diffs === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === onkarshinde [n=onkarshi@203.199.147.101] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mdke struggles hard to think of a user friendly title for the backports section [03:43] "Get your Crack Here" doesn't seem to ring true [03:44] "Break my Ubuntu?" :) [03:44] tricky [03:45] hm. [03:45] what does the title need to convey? "here be backports"? [03:45] or something deeper? [03:46] Bleeding edge for your insatiable thirst [03:51] it needs to say what they are, i guess [03:52] Experimental New Packages, or something [03:52] dammit, gnome-software-properties doesn't have a backports entry, afaics === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-147-211.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kgoetz_ [n=kgoetz@ppp227-229.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kgoetz_ is now known as kgoetz [05:53] ping? anyone awake? [05:53] i have a total of 60k of diffs. should i email them direct to robotgeek, or send a few emails to the list? [05:54] whoa [05:54] direct to him [05:54] ok. thanks [05:54] nice work [05:55] wow. i think it even validated ;). ok. im sending email and crashing.3.30 am is after my bedtime :/ [05:55] ty [05:56] night === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:23] mdke: ping? [06:24] LaserJock, yo [06:25] mdke: the doc-base thing [06:26] ah goody [06:26] we can include a docbase file in the .deb [06:26] but I'm not entirely sure what all that would give us [06:27] but I do maintain a package with one [06:27] mdke: a quick run down is at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-doc-base [06:28] mdke: it seems mostly for HTML files. Are we shipping HTML too? [06:28] not much, no [06:29] actually, we are shipping it, but only the xml is registered in scrollkeeper [06:29] does docbase do xml too? [06:30] enrico, ^ [06:31] mdke: I'm not sure, it does info, ps and html for sure. The man page says that all non-man docs should be registered with it [06:33] mdke: hmm, the manual says 'Only "HTML", "DebianDoc-SGML", and "Text" is recognized.' [06:33] interesting [06:34] i'm not going to get that excited about this tho [06:34] lots of writing to be done [06:36] mdke: anyway, I don't know if we should bother but if we do want to register the docs in docbase I can write the file for debian/ [06:36] mdke: hi [06:36] yumm docbase [06:36] enrico, ciao. ^^ [06:36] :) [06:37] Have you installed the package doc-base? [06:38] I have [06:38] had a look at /usr/share/doc/doc-base/doc-base.html ? [06:39] (or /usr/share/doc/doc-base/doc-base.txt.gz) [06:39] yep [06:39] LaserJock: oh, you quoted it above, sorry [06:40] So, you use doc-base to register the documentation with a system documentation database [06:40] if you have xml that is not debiandoc-sgml, then don't register it [06:40] right, but it would only do the HTML I think [06:40] same for info and ps [06:40] right, only do the html [06:41] for info there's a dh_registerinfo or something similar [06:41] lemme see [06:41] how many people use dwww or dhelp? [06:41] dh_installinfo [06:41] LaserJock: AFAIK very few, but a tool that accesses that database could come out at any time [06:42] LaserJock: so the small effort of writing the docbase file can pay off somewhere in the future [06:42] let's say it's one of those things that "bring you good luck" :) [06:42] It's really a matter of putting it down following the example in the file [06:42] makes sense. it isn't hard to do. I've already done one for one of the packages I maintain in Debian [06:42] Document: quickguide [06:42] Title: The Ubuntu Quick Guide [06:43] Author: LaserJock [06:43] so we'll need to decide whether to ship HTML or not [06:43] Abstract: ... [06:43] and so on [06:43] mdke: yeah [06:43] enrico, do you need to register each translation with doc-base? [06:43] .oO([HTML or not] oh no, not again!) :) [06:44] enrico, we'll definitely be shipping xml. It's just a question of whether to ship the html too. For the Server Guide, it makes sense to ship it [06:44] mdke: [translation] now, that's a good question. The doc-base manual doesn't mention it [06:45] I'm asking around about translations [06:46] I just took a look with dhelp and it seems pretty cool. [06:46] mdke: don't worry. I just remember some loooong discussions about it in the past [06:46] yeah, i remember [06:46] thanks for asking around [06:46] I don't seem to be getting answers yet, though :( [06:49] np [06:50] well, if I get answers I'll let you know. If I don't get answers, then you just register the untranslated documents and wait for a bug report :) [06:50] (and then you can ask the bug reporter how to do it) [06:50] lol [06:50] ok, thanks === mdke passes the buck to LaserJock [06:50] mdke: if decision is made to do register the docs just assign the bug to me and I'll take care of it [06:50] consider the decision made :) [06:50] as a yes? [06:51] it can't do any harm to register them, right? [06:51] I don't think so [06:51] ok [06:51] --> home === johndarkhorse [n=Apple@ubuntu/member/pdpc.bronze.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:02] bah, wrong room. [07:02] who is in charge of the server? [07:02] folks are getting 403s [07:02] at the wiki [07:05] hmmm [07:05] there was some downtime last night 03:00-06:00 UTC [07:06] it's working fine now [07:06] Canonical was moving some stuff around [07:07] johndarkhorse: need anything else? [07:07] nah, i'll inform all concerned. [07:07] thanks [07:07] duh, i'm using the wrong nick [07:07] y'all be good === johndarkhorse [n=Apple@ubuntu/member/pdpc.bronze.nalioth] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:01] mdke: my trusted localization top-expert told me that he has no idea :-/ [08:01] lol [08:08] jjesse: question. The system menu entries like "K-Menu -> Multimedia -> Media Player (Kaffeine)" === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:09] should be exactly the same, right. as in Media Player (Kaffeine) and not Kaffine (Media Player) [08:09] should match what is in the K-Menu is my view [08:09] in my dapper build it is Kaffine (Media Player) [08:10] damn, it says otherwise in mine === robotgeek cries *why* [08:10] hmmm [08:10] all of mine are like that AmaroK (Audio Player) etc [08:11] jjesse: damn, that will take a lot of changing, i think i need to write a vim macro now. *sigh* [08:11]