[06:51] <Madpilot> hi robitaille 
[06:51] <robitaille> hi Madpilot 
[06:51] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot robitaille 
[06:52] <robitaille> Hi robotgeek 
[07:09] <robotgeek> Madpilot: do you think it's a good idea to just link to howto's in the kde help menu?
[07:11] <kgoetz> robotgeek: anything you want checked especialy?
[07:11] <Madpilot> why not, if someone's already done some work for you, and they're good howtos?
[07:12] <robotgeek> Madpilot: they are pretty good
[07:12] <robotgeek> i'll just tell them what to install, and point them to the guides
[07:12] <robotgeek> kgoetz: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html
[07:14] <kgoetz> robotgeek: so lots of 'awaiting review' is this a case of 'use it and see if it works', or do you need detailed feedback?
[07:15] <robotgeek> kgoetz: mostly it should be correct, typos anything really
[07:15] <robotgeek> kgoetz: basically, if it is wrong, tell me!
[07:15] <kgoetz> ok :)
[07:15] <robotgeek> kgoetz: get the svn however, and look it up there
[07:16] <kgoetz> brb. changing into ubuntu for scp :)
[07:18] <robotgeek> kgoetz: can you wait for about 5 minutes, i'll commit my changes
[07:18] <robotgeek> kgoetz: or svn up after 5 minutes again :)
 robotgeek it will take 5 min to copy i expect :)
[07:22] <Madpilot> robotgeek, a day or two ago I noticed that there was still a lot of Gnome-specific stuff in KDG, leftovers from UDG. Is that gone?
[07:22] <kgoetz> is it possible to scp over a cron job? or do they have to be entered by hand?
[07:22] <robotgeek> Madpilot: was it the last chapter?
[07:22] <Madpilot> yeah, the tips section - which is gone in UDG, btw
[07:24] <robotgeek> Madpilot: umm, okay. lemme take a deeper look. after i make these changes
[07:24] <robotgeek> thanks for the heads up :)
[07:24] <Madpilot> np
[07:25] <Madpilot> robotgeek, you've also got a lot of the graphics cards/3d stuff tagged as Help Wanted - can't that be a straight copy from UDG?
[07:25] <robotgeek> Madpilot: only to verify the menu entries, i guess
[07:26] <robotgeek> they won't install for me, i am ppc
[07:26] <Madpilot> are there Kubuntu Dapper LiveCDs ISOs somewhere? I should pull one down, if I can
[07:27] <kgoetz> Madpilot: got room fora chroot? its actualy reasonably easy
[07:27] <Madpilot> not in my root partition currently
[07:28] <robotgeek> Madpilot: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[07:30] <Madpilot> Kubuntu Flight4 torrent started
[07:30] <robotgeek> i need to get a image myself, i think
[07:31] <robotgeek> i have no clue as to how the default install looks/works
[07:31] <Madpilot> heh. That's one problem, we tweak all our installs because we know how, to some degree, and don't get the default experience
[07:32] <Madpilot> LiveCDs are useful for that
[07:33] <kgoetz> robotgeek: you made that commit? (not rushing you, just wondering)
[07:34] <robotgeek> kgoetz: 2 more minutes, just validation errors
[07:43] <kgoetz> what do you use to look at the svn repo in kde? not yelp i just discovered
[07:47] <robotgeek> kgoetz: you can use yelp
[07:47] <robotgeek> kgoetz: commited
[07:52] <robotgeek> kgoetz: it's a gnome thing, install it for quick and dirty xml file viewing
[07:52] <kgoetz> nothing in kubuntu to do the job?
[07:52] <robotgeek> kgoetz: not unless you want to convert xml to html
[07:53] <kgoetz> hm.
[08:39] <Madpilot> anyone know what's with the numbered wikinames lately? There's been a whole raft of edits by folks with exciting nicks like "215" and "220"
[08:40] <Madpilot> and "S0106000d88b9f3db" - hope that doesn't have to get typed out too often...
[08:40] <robotgeek> Madpilot: weird, 130 61 214 also
[08:41] <Madpilot> the 215-220 stuff reminds me of class stuff - I remember in wikipedia there was an entire class signed up at once, with sequential nicks like that
[08:41] <Madpilot> some 1st year uni journalism class, or something
[08:42] <robotgeek> ChinthakaDeshapriya is the guy, i am not sure what's happening and why
[08:43] <Madpilot> actually, at least part of that looks like some sort of wiki error - because there are NO familiar nicks in the RecentChanges list
[08:43] <Madpilot> yeah, it's some odd error
[08:44] <Madpilot> "S0106000d88b9f3db" is actually me, it's a RestrictedFormats edit I did earlier today
[08:44] <Madpilot> the bottom of RestrictedFormats still has my nick... WTF?
[08:45] <Madpilot> nevermind, I just force-reloaded and it's all back to normal... what was that?
[08:51] <mdke> robotgeek, did you have any luck using the preface.xml? I don't understand wy
[08:51] <mdke> why the preface.xml doesn't work and the legal files work
[08:52] <mdke> they are identical AFAICS
[08:52] <kgoetz>  bblish
[08:52] <robotgeek> mdke: did not bother, just removed the headers and put in libs/preface.xml
[08:52] <robotgeek> in ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/libs to be precise
[08:53] <mdke> ok
[08:53] <mdke> so weird
[08:53] <mdke> why on earth do the licenses work fine
[08:53] <mdke> >_<
[08:54] <mdke> robotgeek, just reading scrollback, if you do internal links to the kde help documentation, be careful about what happens when we put the documents online
[08:55] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, they don't work
[08:55] <robotgeek> :P
[08:55] <mdke> right. Maybe it's best not to link, but to refer to the document with words?
[08:57] <mdke> we have the same problem with the gnome stuff.
[08:57] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, i can link online?
[08:57] <mdke> sure
[08:57] <robotgeek> mdke: docs.kde.org also has it mirrored
[08:58] <rob> hello mdke 
[08:58] <mdke> robotgeek, sounds good
[08:58] <mdke> robotgeek, hiya
[08:58] <mdke> gah
[08:58] <mdke> rob, hiya
[08:58] <rob> heh
[08:58] <robotgeek> mdke: should i retain the khelp links?
[08:58] <robotgeek> hey rob 
[08:58] <rob> hi robotgeek 
[08:58] <mdke> robotgeek, those won't work online, I presume
[08:59] <robotgeek> mdke: no, i can say <ulink url="khelp://blah"> offline link </ulink>
[09:00] <robotgeek> along with the online link
[09:00] <rob> mdke, do you know much about www.raiclick.it (I'm assuming .it = italian)?
[09:01] <rob> god bless babelfish
[09:02] <mdke> robotgeek, ok, if you think it'll make sense in the online version
[09:02] <mdke> rob, yes, it = italian
[09:02] <robotgeek> mdke: i don't want people without internet to lose out :P
[09:03] <mdke> robotgeek, yeah I know.
[09:03] <mdke> rob, rai is the state managed television network. that page is a "what's new on rai" sort of thing
[09:04] <rob> ah, I see. Someone at work mentioned it today, I'm guessing all the shows are in italian too
[09:05] <mdke> yes
[09:06] <rob> dam my lack of education about other-then-English languages
[09:07] <mdke> heh
[09:07] <mdke> it's not the greatest television in the world
[09:08] <rob> the guy at work I mentioned downloads around 90gig a month from there
[09:09] <mdke> odd chap
[09:09] <mdke> is he italian? maybe he is homesick
[09:09] <rob> yeah, I'm thinking that
[09:09] <rob> he copies them for his parents too
[09:09] <rob> he didn't mention he was
[09:11] <rob> I did watch a french horror movie last night though, although I couldn't understand a word of it the movie was better then a lot of other horror movies I've seen lately (tried the english dub, couldn't stand that)
[09:14] <robitaille> what was the title?
[09:16] <rob> umm.. High Tension
[09:16] <rob> in English at least
[09:22] <mdke> --> work
[09:31] <robitaille> humm...never heard of that movie.  But I'm not watching so many french movies nowadays
[09:53] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i've lost the tips and tricks chapter in kdg too
[09:53] <robotgeek> not today, previously
[09:56] <Madpilot> robotgeek, it's still in SVN, and still full of Gnome-specific tricks
[09:57] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html 
[09:57] <robotgeek> ignore chapter4, other than that i think i've gotten to all
[09:59] <Madpilot> there's still a tips-and-tricks.xml in your directory of our SVN, though - are you just leaving it out of the build scripts?
[09:59] <robotgeek> Madpilot: oops, yeah. i need to delete that
[09:59] <robotgeek> thanks!
[10:00] <Madpilot> np - you had me confused for a while there :P
[10:00] <robotgeek> same here!
[10:04] <Madpilot> I hadn't realized that "Kubuntu" actually meant something, thought it was just "KDE + Ubuntu". Cool.
[10:05] <mdke> it was accidental, I believe
[10:06] <mdke> pretty cool tho
[10:06] <Madpilot> heh
[10:06] <kgoetz> Madpilot: you reading the starter guide?
[10:06] <Madpilot> kgoetz, Kubuntu Desktop Guide
[10:06] <kgoetz> *sp ;P
[10:07] <Madpilot> robotgeek, style suggestion: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/add-applications.html <-- here, loose the sentence "You may also wish to increase the number of programs available to install through your package managers." - it just repeats what's said better in the next two sentences
[10:08] <Madpilot> ...that's what I get for reading the out-of-date website version, isn't it? :P
[10:08] <robotgeek> Madpilot: oh no, not you
[10:08] <robotgeek> i'm going to lose the thing,
[10:09] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i lost the thing, i will commit with next change
[10:14] <kgoetz> will kubuntu be shipping cds as of dapper (i heard it will?)
[10:19] <Madpilot> mdke, I know OpenOffice is mentioned in the intro, but it's odd that our Office section doesn't mention it at all...
[10:20] <mdke> i'm adding it now
[10:20] <mdke> and gnome-office too
[10:20] <Madpilot> good
[10:27] <Madpilot> mdke, we should try and tie into that set of example documents that's being prepped for Dapper
[10:27] <mdke> Madpilot, what do you have in mind?
[10:28] <Madpilot> something like, "To see some of what you can do in <app>, see the example content <in filesystem>" - for stuff like OO Present, maybe
[10:29] <Madpilot> Impress, rather
[10:31] <mdke> hmm good idea. we can wait and see how they tie the example content into the applications
[10:31] <mdke> Madpilot, by the way I saw your comment about gnucash and menu entries. For an example of what I've been doing for programs without menu entries, check out dvdrip
[10:31] <mdke> tell me if you think that is reasonable
[10:32] <Madpilot> mdke, yeah, that works.
[10:33] <mdke> cool
[10:37] <robotgeek> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/extragear-multimedia/k3b/howtos.html#videointroduction
[10:38] <Madpilot> k3b rips DVD too?
[10:39] <mdke> robotgeek, what is the default way to do it with the desktop?
[10:39] <robotgeek> mdke: i don't follow
[10:40] <robotgeek> mdke: what do you mean?
[10:41] <mdke> is there a dvdripper with the desktop?
[10:41] <mdke> installed by default
[10:42] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, k3b does it on kde
[10:42] <mdke> sounds good then
[10:46] <kgoetz> ping robotgeek?
[10:46] <robotgeek> pong kgoetz 
[10:46] <kgoetz> when do you want feedback? and do you want diffs for any sugestions?
[10:47] <robotgeek> kgoetz: anytime, diffs would be great!
[10:48] <kgoetz> ill try and get you something tonight (my tonight ;D), no promices about usefullness:)
[10:48] <robotgeek> kgoetz: do you have a digital camera?
[10:49] <kgoetz> robotgeek: one up at the house, yeh
[10:50] <mdke> Madpilot, Ok I've committed the office stuff. Take a look whenever
[10:50] <robotgeek> kgoetz: might be useful to verify the digital camera section, i wrote one without having one, lol
[10:50] <kgoetz> lol. right... ;) i usualy use mine as a mass storage device, but i will look at the camera section :)
[10:52] <kgoetz> jebediah <- is taht a biblical name? just wondering (noticed it in the docs)
[10:52] <Madpilot> mdke, I just skimmed the commit email, it looks good.
[11:00] <mdke> Madpilot, cool
[11:01] <mdke> what else needs doing?
[11:01] <Madpilot> not sure - I'll have another look thru it tomorrow
[11:01] <mdke> damn the guide is good
[11:02] <mdke> perhaps the Internet section needs a bit of love
[11:03] <mdke> oh and games
[11:03] <Madpilot> games could do with a few intro blurbs - what is Frozen-Bubble, etc
[11:03] <Madpilot> so could some of the other sections, actually
[11:04] <robotgeek> Madpilot: thanks for the suggestion, committed
[11:04] <Madpilot> robotgeek, np
[11:05] <robotgeek> -> bed
[11:05] <mdke> night
[11:06] <kgoetz> later mate
[11:06] <mdke> what's English for "spatial mode"?
[11:07] <Madpilot> "barfing lots of windows all over the place"
[11:07] <kgoetz> which one is that again?
[11:07] <kgoetz> oh, lol
[11:07] <Madpilot> it's a Nautilus setting
[11:07] <mdke> hmm
[11:07] <kgoetz> i remember the pain when it got removed (lists went crazy), i just wasnt sure what it meant ;)
[11:07] <mdke> i can't use the word "barf"
[11:08] <Madpilot> :D
[11:08] <Madpilot> why not?
[11:08] <mdke> well, I could
[11:08] <mdke> good point
[11:08] <crimsun> no, but you can use the verb to open
[11:08] <mdke> "How to make nautilus open windows all over the place"?
[11:08] <Madpilot> "How to make Nautilus open one window per directory"?
[11:08] <mdke> maybe it's "Window Mode"?
[11:09] <Madpilot> you could compare it to MS's 'My Computer', which also chucks windows everywhere
[11:09] <crimsun> or perhaps more precisely, "How to have Nautilus open a new window for each directory"
[11:10] <mdke> hmm
[11:10] <mdke> it's a bit long winded
[11:10] <mdke> but it's better than "Spatial Mode"
[11:10] <Madpilot> "How to enable the most irritating feature ever coded into Gnome" :P
[11:10] <mdke> by several million percent
[11:11] <mdke> Madpilot, if it's that irritating, we don't need to document it. But some people must like it, surely
[11:11] <Madpilot> I guess they do, so we should document it. someone must have thought it was a good idea, to code it in the first place
[11:12] <mdke> yep, and I think it's still in the preferences, which means it must be regarded as a really good idea
[11:12] <mdke> oh, we need to rewrite the windows partition section too
[11:12] <mdke> apparently it can be done in the hardware gui
[11:19] <poningru> in the wiki can we have inpage template usage?
[11:20] <poningru> make it for things like 'make sure to have your universe and multiverse repos turned on'
[11:20] <poningru> etc
[11:34] <Madpilot> poningru, macros, you mean?
[11:37] <poningru> yeah I guess
[11:38] <poningru> wikipedia calls it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages
[11:41] <mdke> Madpilot, ah, gnome-office includes planner, dia and inkscape too :)
[11:41] <mdke> that's easy
[12:06] <kgoetz> do we have/need a section on dpkg ?
[12:08] <mdke> kgoetz, no, and no, I think
[12:09] <kgoetz> mdke: ok
[01:22] <mdke> are we going to document backports in the Desktop Guide?
[01:31] <jsgotangco> it would be a good idea if writers still have time to add those
[01:32] <mdke> yeah we can do it, I guess
[01:33] <kgoetz> apart from adding them to list list of enableable repositories, what is there to write? background info?
[01:33] <mdke> what it is, risks etc
[01:34] <jsgotangco> as long as they use ubuntu backports i guess its ok, and treat them the same way as multiverse
[01:34] <kgoetz> and dont upgrade between versions with them on :/ iv seen that before
[01:34] <jsgotangco> argg malone spam :P
[01:34] <mdke> the proper way to treat backports is treating them as the unstable distribution
[01:34] <mdke> i think
[01:35] <jsgotangco> that would be much better
[01:35] <kgoetz> sounds good
[01:35] <mdke> since they are simply packages from the unstable distribution, made for the current stable
[01:37] <mdke> spam???
[01:38] <jsgotangco> it must be nice to have lots of free time at work :D
[01:38] <mdke> i don't have lots
[01:38] <mdke> but today I am quite free
[01:39] <jsgotangco> im currently somewhere waayyyyy down south with shitty internet
[01:42] <jsgotangco> c'mon don't be shy :)
[01:42] <mdke> there are no more bugs :(
[01:42] <kgoetz> hehe
[01:43] <mdke> DG
[01:43] <kgoetz> ok
[01:50] <onkarshinde> Hello guys.
[01:50] <onkarshinde> Need some advice
[01:50] <mdke> onkarshinde, what sort of advice?
[01:51] <onkarshinde> mdke: SOny Ericsson phones provide functionality for remote control over bluetooth. I am creating page foe this on wiki.
[01:51] <mdke> onkarshinde, ok, ask away
[01:51] <onkarshinde> I have created a configuration file to control Totem. I am just note sure where to put the file.
[01:52] <mdke> you can paste it on the page, if it is short
[01:52] <mdke> by the way, did you see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothSetup?
[01:52] <mdke> you might be able to integrate your page into that one
[01:53] <onkarshinde> mdke: I checked that page. I don't think I can integrate my page with it.
[01:53] <jsgotangco> onkarshinde, did you actually get it to work???
[01:54] <onkarshinde> The file is actually tar archive which contains an image and a configuration file. Also the configuration file is very large with almost every key on phone mapped to some command in Totem
[01:54] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: Yes I did.
[01:55] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: The Presentation profile provised by default doesn't seem to woth in OOo impress. The Desktop cinfiguration works. It is not very hard to create new configuration file.
[01:55] <jsgotangco> oh
[01:55] <jsgotangco> its still a good start
[01:56] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: Many SE phones provide this functionality.
[01:57] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: Will upload Totem configuration somewhere in 5-10 minutes and will let you know.
[02:21] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: Here you go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothRemote
[02:21] <jsgotangco> wowee zoweee
[02:22] <onkarshinde> This is my first page on Wiki. I hope the way content is represented is okay.
[02:23] <jsgotangco> ahhh so the config file is just a simple xml file
[02:23] <jsgotangco> the key bindings look very much the same with a k600i
[02:24] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: That is why I said it is easy to make it. But wouldn't it be good if everything is just two click install and run?
[02:24] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:25] <jsgotangco> on windows you just say you want an HID and it just works
[02:25] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: Windows XP works out of box. Windows 2k requires some application to handle HID.
[02:26] <jsgotangco> i only tried XP
[02:26] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: Please try Totem configuration on Linux and add your phone to the list if it works.
[02:27] <jsgotangco> yep i'll try it later
[02:27] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: Thanks.
[02:27] <jsgotangco> thanks for the wiki page too!
[02:27] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: I am not sure how many other phones like Nokia or Motorola provide this functionality.
[02:28] <jsgotangco> i have 3 bluetooth phones i can try
[02:29] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: Of course for them configuration format will be somewhat different.
[02:30] <jsgotangco> i'll look for them when i get to finish some stuff
[02:30] <jsgotangco> but i can guess the k600 would run just like your config
[02:32] <onkarshinde> jsgotangco: Yes. it would. And all other SE phones that provide this functionality
[03:30] <kgoetz> robotgeek: i just went start to finish through the desktop guide. now i have my list of 'interesting' points, ill start doing diffs
[03:43] <mdke> "Get your Crack Here" doesn't seem to ring true
[03:44] <kgoetz> "Break my Ubuntu?" :)
[03:44] <mdke> tricky
[03:45] <kgoetz> hm.
[03:45] <kgoetz> what does the title need to convey? "here be backports"?
[03:45] <kgoetz> or something deeper?
[03:46] <jsgotangco> Bleeding edge for your insatiable thirst
[03:51] <mdke> it needs to say what they are, i guess
[03:52] <mdke> Experimental New Packages, or something
[03:52] <mdke> dammit, gnome-software-properties doesn't have a backports entry, afaics
[05:53] <kgoetz> ping? anyone awake?
[05:53] <kgoetz> i have a total of 60k of diffs. should i email them direct to robotgeek, or send a few emails to the list?
[05:54] <mdke> whoa
[05:54] <mdke> direct to him
[05:54] <kgoetz> ok. thanks
[05:54] <mdke> nice work
[05:55] <kgoetz> wow. i think it even validated ;). ok. im sending email and crashing.3.30 am is after my bedtime :/
[05:55] <kgoetz> ty
[05:56] <kgoetz> night
[06:23] <LaserJock> mdke: ping?
[06:24] <mdke> LaserJock, yo
[06:25] <LaserJock> mdke: the doc-base thing
[06:26] <mdke> ah goody
[06:26] <LaserJock> we can include a docbase file in the .deb
[06:26] <LaserJock> but I'm not entirely sure what all that would give us
[06:27] <LaserJock> but I do maintain a package with one
[06:27] <LaserJock> mdke: a quick run down is at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-doc-base
[06:28] <LaserJock> mdke: it seems mostly for HTML files. Are we shipping HTML too?
[06:28] <mdke> not much, no
[06:29] <mdke> actually, we are shipping it, but only the xml is registered in scrollkeeper
[06:29] <mdke> does docbase do xml too?
[06:30] <mdke> enrico, ^
[06:31] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm not sure, it does info, ps and html for sure. The man page says that all non-man docs should be registered with it
[06:33] <LaserJock> mdke: hmm, the manual says 'Only "HTML", "DebianDoc-SGML", and "Text" is recognized.'
[06:33] <mdke> interesting
[06:34] <mdke> i'm not going to get that excited about this tho
[06:34] <mdke> lots of writing to be done
[06:36] <LaserJock> mdke: anyway, I don't know if we should bother but if we do want to register the docs in docbase I can write the file for debian/
[06:36] <enrico> mdke: hi
[06:36] <enrico> yumm docbase
[06:36] <mdke> enrico, ciao. ^^
[06:36] <enrico> :)
[06:37] <enrico> Have you installed the package doc-base?
[06:38] <LaserJock> I have
[06:38] <enrico> had a look at /usr/share/doc/doc-base/doc-base.html ?
[06:39] <enrico> (or /usr/share/doc/doc-base/doc-base.txt.gz)
[06:39] <LaserJock> yep
[06:39] <enrico> LaserJock: oh, you quoted it above, sorry
[06:40] <enrico> So, you use doc-base to register the documentation with a system documentation database
[06:40] <enrico> if you have xml that is not debiandoc-sgml, then don't register it
[06:40] <LaserJock> right, but it would only do the HTML I think
[06:40] <enrico> same for info and ps
[06:40] <enrico> right, only do the html
[06:41] <enrico> for info there's a dh_registerinfo or something similar
[06:41] <enrico> lemme see
[06:41] <LaserJock> how many people use dwww or dhelp?
[06:41] <enrico> dh_installinfo
[06:41] <enrico> LaserJock: AFAIK very few, but a tool that accesses that database could come out at any time
[06:42] <enrico> LaserJock: so the small effort of writing the docbase file can pay off somewhere in the future
[06:42] <enrico> let's say it's one of those things that "bring you good luck" :)
[06:42] <enrico> It's really a matter of putting it down following the example in the file
[06:42] <LaserJock> makes sense. it isn't hard to do. I've already done one for one of the packages I maintain in Debian
[06:42] <enrico> Document: quickguide
[06:42] <enrico> Title: The Ubuntu Quick Guide
[06:43] <enrico> Author: LaserJock
[06:43] <mdke> so we'll need to decide whether to ship HTML or not
[06:43] <enrico> Abstract: ...
[06:43] <enrico> and so on
[06:43] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah
[06:43] <mdke> enrico, do you need to register each translation with doc-base?
[06:43] <enrico> .oO([HTML or not]   oh no, not again!) :)
[06:44] <mdke> enrico, we'll definitely be shipping xml. It's just a question of whether to ship the html too. For the Server Guide, it makes sense to ship it
[06:44] <enrico> mdke: [translation]  now, that's a good question.  The doc-base manual doesn't mention it
[06:45] <enrico> I'm asking around about translations
[06:46] <LaserJock> I just took a look with dhelp and it seems pretty cool.
[06:46] <enrico> mdke: don't worry.  I just remember some loooong discussions about it in the past
[06:46] <mdke> yeah, i remember
[06:46] <mdke> thanks for asking around
[06:46] <enrico> I don't seem to be getting answers yet, though :(
[06:49] <mdke> np
[06:50] <enrico> well, if I get answers I'll let you know.  If I don't get answers, then you just register the untranslated documents and wait for a bug report :)
[06:50] <enrico> (and then you can ask the bug reporter how to do it)
[06:50] <mdke> lol
[06:50] <mdke> ok, thanks
[06:50] <LaserJock> mdke: if decision is made to do register the docs just assign the bug to me and I'll take care of it
[06:50] <mdke> consider the decision made :)
[06:50] <LaserJock> as a yes?
[06:51] <mdke> it can't do any harm to register them, right?
[06:51] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[06:51] <mdke> ok
[06:51] <mdke> --> home
[07:02] <johndarkhorse> bah, wrong room.
[07:02] <johndarkhorse> who is in charge of the server?
[07:02] <johndarkhorse> folks are getting 403s
[07:02] <johndarkhorse> at the wiki
[07:05] <LaserJock> hmmm
[07:05] <LaserJock> there was some downtime last night 03:00-06:00 UTC 
[07:06] <LaserJock> it's working fine now
[07:06] <LaserJock> Canonical was moving some stuff around
[07:07] <LaserJock> johndarkhorse: need anything else?
[07:07] <johndarkhorse> nah, i'll inform all concerned.
[07:07] <johndarkhorse> thanks
[07:07] <johndarkhorse> duh, i'm using the wrong nick
[07:07] <johndarkhorse> y'all be good
[08:01] <enrico> mdke: my trusted localization top-expert told me that he has no idea :-/
[08:01] <LaserJock> lol
[08:08] <robotgeek> jjesse: question. The system menu entries like "K-Menu -> Multimedia -> Media Player (Kaffeine)"
[08:09] <robotgeek> should be exactly the same, right. as in Media Player (Kaffeine) and not Kaffine (Media Player)
[08:09] <jjesse> should match what is in the K-Menu is my view
[08:09] <jjesse> in my dapper build it is Kaffine (Media Player)
[08:10] <robotgeek> damn, it says otherwise in mine
[08:10] <jjesse> hmmm
[08:10] <jjesse> all of mine are like that AmaroK (Audio Player) etc
[08:11] <robotgeek> jjesse: damn, that will take a lot of changing, i think i need to write a vim macro now. *sigh*
[08:11] <jjesse> whouldn't it make sense to have it look exactly like the kmenu is setup?
[08:11] <jjesse> btw it should be an emacs macro :)
[08:12] <robotgeek> jjesse: yes it would, except that that was the way it shows up in mine. 
[08:12] <LaserJock> I suppose it would depend on how fresh your install is, that is usually one of the first things I change
[08:12] <robotgeek> you can change that?
[08:13] <jjesse> i didn't know you could change it, mine is dapper4 with latest updates
[08:13] <robotgeek> i think mine was the same, flight 4 with updates
[08:19] <robotgeek> wow, there are many spelling mistakes in the docs
[08:19] <robotgeek> aspell --mode=sgml -c foo.xml
[08:19] <jjesse> fx them!!!!
[08:20] <robotgeek> yeah, fixing them
[08:21] <LaserJock> it is a configuration you can change, so if you have an old ~/ then you might have them different
[08:22] <jjesse> i'm a fresh install
[08:22] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought it was the other way around by default, maybe they changed that
[08:23] <robotgeek> oh yes, i moved my .kde from older machine
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[08:23] <jjesse> d'oh!!!
[08:23] <LaserJock> glad I could help ;-)
[08:23] <robotgeek> oh well, i'll finish spell checking and then fix the menu entries
[08:24] <LaserJock> although that is terrible since I haven't run KDE for months
[08:24] <LaserJock> you guys are supposed to be the KDE experts :)
[08:25] <LaserJock> oh yeah, how about commas, I'm terrible about them
[09:08] <robotgeek> commited
[10:45] <robotgeek> mdke: would you know if "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common" is present on doc.ubuntu.com