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hubdesrt: the warnings for the code were not requirements12:04
hubdesrt: that's why they where off-band12:05
desrthub; nod.  i rereleased anyway to fix those other issues you also mentioned out of band12:05
desrthub; i uploaded the 0.6.1 to revu with a new manpage, etc...12:07
LaserJockMrRio: you can just remove the .upload file or use dput -f to upload the same version if you want12:08
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Xoritoranyone setup pbuilder on amd64?12:09
hubwe are in feature freeze, aren't we?12:15
LaserJockyep12:15
hubdesrt: you got my vote :-)12:15
hubdesrt: but it won't be in dapper...12:15
desrthub; !!12:16
hubdesrt: you needs to more advocates :-)12:16
Xoritoranyone that can help me troubleshoot setting up pbuilder on amd64?12:16
hubs/to/two/12:16
desrthub; tseng already agreed :)12:16
Xoritor?12:16
hubdesrt: tell him to advocate it :-)12:16
Xoritoradvocates of what?12:16
tsenghe only needs one more12:16
hubtseng: yeah.12:17
hubtseng: but since it will have to wait, maybe you can put your vote on REVU :-)12:17
tsengwhat has to wait12:17
Xoritor?12:17
hubtseng: feature freeze, no?12:18
tsenghub: feature freeze has never applied to new universe packages in the past12:18
LaserJockhub: he could ask for an exception I suppose12:18
LaserJocktseng: it is12:18
hubtseng: I think it is12:18
tsengLaserJock: point me to a mail that says so please12:18
hubtseng: that was discussed at UBZ12:19
hubtseng: hold on12:19
tsengLaserJock: i have been doing this for 3 releases now12:19
Xoritoranyone help me with this?  http://pastebin.com/58595812:19
LaserJocktseng: I don't know if it was in an email but it was at a MOTU meeting, UVF and FF apply to us12:19
hubtseng: it has been discussed at UBZ afaik12:19
Xoritoror tell where to get more help?12:19
tsengLaserJock: what does UVF and FF have to do with NEW12:19
LaserJockFF is for NEW12:19
tsengsigh12:20
hubhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze say no new package12:20
hubbut does not say explicitly universe or not12:20
Xoritorwhats the new packages?12:20
LaserJockXoritor: packages that haven't been in Ubuntu before12:20
tsengthat page is so vague as to be useless12:20
Xoritorah12:21
tsengand its written by corey burger, who, no offense, intended, is not any kind of package maintainer afaik12:21
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LaserJockyes, but I believe we covered this quite a while ago in a MOTU meeting that UVF and FF apply to Universe as they do to main12:21
hubtseng: well, I just gave my vote.12:21
tsengsigh12:22
tsengUVF and FF can apply all they want12:22
tseng"The point at which we cease creating and modifying internal features and packages."12:22
tsengtraditionally, we have discouraged motus from working on new packages12:22
tsengwe happily accepted new packages that came in anyway12:22
tsenglike from desrt, who isnt interested in bugfixing $randomuniversepackage anyway12:23
LaserJockand no new packages after FF except by exception. You might talk to dholbach about it though12:23
desrttseng; lies!  muine :)12:23
tsengnothing on this page says anything about new packages12:23
tsengin certain terms12:23
tsengto contradict our precedent12:24
slomo_tseng: it changed this time... no NEW packages after FF12:24
tsengslomo_: id love to see it in clear writing12:24
tsengafter I do, I'd love to get an exception anyway12:24
desrtfwiw, muine-shell used to be in universe12:24
desrtit was removed because it failed to compile against the new dbus12:25
desrti merely fixed that12:25
slomo_tseng: i know no clear writing anywhere... but it was decided at a meeting, maybe grep the logs ;)12:25
ajmitchtseng: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseProcess12:25
ajmitchslomo_: I was at the table when this was discussed12:25
tsengajmitch: thanks.12:25
tsengajmitch: await my appeal12:26
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desrttseng; if you're planning on applying for exception you might want to make it on those grounds12:26
ajmitchtseng: I think exceptions are warranted12:26
tsengdesrt: indeed.12:26
hubdesrt: it was?12:26
desrthub; it was.12:26
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hubdesrt: so why didn't you reuse the existing package?12:27
desrti used to have it installed.  i assume it was coming from universe12:27
desrthub;  i couldn't find it12:27
hubah ok12:27
minghuasiretart: ping12:45
Xoritoranyone seen this error?12:51
XoritorW: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/29171/. dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6-0ubuntu8_amd64.deb12:51
Xoritorpbuilder: debootstrap failed12:51
Xoritorcould anyone tell me a diff mirror to use for pbuilder?12:52
XoritorMIRRORSITE=http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu12:52
Xoritorthats what im using now12:52
LaserJockXoritor: are you making a dapper pbuilder?12:59
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XoritorLaserJock, yes12:59
XoritorLaserJock, trying to... it works for i38601:00
XoritorLaserJock, just dies with that on amd6401:00
LaserJockXoritor: you might try building it for breezy first and then upgrading it.01:04
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Xoritorpbuilder create --distribution breezy?01:05
Xoritorlike that or edit the pbuilderrc01:05
Xoritorthat worked to get it to breezy01:06
Xoritorlets see if it works over all01:06
Xoritor;-)01:06
Xoritorthx01:06
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XoritorLaserJock, that worked!01:29
Xoritorwell... have not tried the upgrade yet01:29
LaserJockk01:30
Xoritoroh hmm01:30
Xoritorit didnt01:30
Xoritori thought it did01:30
XoritorI: Base system installed successfully.01:30
Xoritorbut then it does not work01:31
XoritorE: failed to find /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz, have you done <pbuilder create> to create your base tarball yet?01:31
Xoritorsuck01:31
Xoritorodd that it said sucessful01:32
Xoritorthen was not01:32
LaserJockok, what did you try to do?01:32
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XoritorE: Type 'http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic' is not known on line 22 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list01:33
Xoritorthat was the error that killed it01:33
Xoritor-> installing dummy policy-rc.d01:33
XoritorE: Type 'http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic' is not known on line 22 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list01:33
Xoritori tried pbuilder create --distribution breezy01:33
Xoritorit said success01:33
Xoritorbut i was not reading further... :-(01:33
Xoritormy fault01:33
Xoritortrying it again01:34
LaserJockok are you using the Howto on the wiki?01:34
Xoritoryea01:34
Xoritorhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto01:34
LaserJockdid you adjust your /etc/pbuilder/apt.config ?01:35
Xoritoryea01:35
LaserJockit shouldn't be looking for source-o-matic01:35
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ajmitchhey crimsun01:36
crimsunhey ajmitch01:36
ajmitchcrimsun: I finally have sound on the laptop, after getting the CVS drivers to build01:36
crimsunajmitch: rock!01:36
Xoritordoh... i mast have not saved my changes01:36
Xoritor:-(01:36
Xoritorsorry01:36
Xoritorthx for being a good sounding board ;-)01:37
LaserJocknp01:38
Xoritorgrr01:45
XoritorE: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.01:45
Xoritortrying again01:46
Xoritor:-/01:46
ajmitchcrimsun: I guess it might be worth getting patches in, or hopefully alsa 1.0.11 will be out before kernel freeze01:46
crimsunajmitch: hmm, integrating alsa bk will be work due to the struct changes, but the hda changes can be done01:50
Xoritorand again...01:54
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Xoritorso is breezy borked with pbuilder for amd64 or what?02:03
LaserJockit should work02:03
Xoritorerr... or am i just not doing something right02:03
Xoritorit died 3 times so far... im running with --debug now02:04
Xoritormaybe its the "mirror" im hitting02:04
XoritorW: Failure while installing base packages.  This will be re-attempted up to five times.02:04
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Xoritorthats after a few diff things02:05
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Xoritorhahahahahaha\02:21
XoritorLaserJock, want to hear the stupid issue that caused all the problems?02:21
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XoritorLaserJock, i had /var mounted with nodev (duh)02:23
LaserJockah02:23
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Xoritormy normal mode of thinking is... /var does not need devices, so nodev is ok02:23
Xoritorand normally it does not02:23
Xoritorand it built the 64bit dapper just fine after fixing that02:24
LaserJockgreat02:25
Xoritorquestion though... can i have my 64bit machine compile the 32bit stuff using pbuilder also?02:26
Xoritorthat should work fine right?02:26
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Xoritor--binary-arch i386 or something should what changes that right?02:27
Xoritorwould i need 2 diff base.tgz setups... or can you have 2 diff ones?02:28
Xoritornm... found the answer02:29
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Xoritoryay03:08
Xoritoryay03:08
Xoritorhip03:08
Xoritorhip03:08
Xoritorhorray03:08
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Xoritorinteresting03:50
Xoritori thought pbuilder was supposed to install all of the things you would need to build stuff03:50
Xoritorie... byacc03:51
Xoritoretc...03:51
ajmitchit does, if a package specifies the packages needed in its build-depends03:51
Xoritoraaah03:52
Xoritorthank you03:52
bmontyhey ajmitch03:52
Xoritorodd that i didnt have to specify byacc for 32bit03:53
Xoritoris that one of the diffs between 64 and 32 bit?03:53
Xoritoror maybe what im trying to compile needs byacc for amd6403:54
Xoritorbut not for i38603:54
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ajmitchor the source is wonky03:55
ajmitch& needs fixed up :)03:55
ajmitchI'd say it's likely that it does need it to build03:55
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Xoritorheh03:56
Xoritoror the 32bit includes byacc by default, but the 64bit does not03:56
Xoritor:-/03:56
Xoritorand adding that fixed it just fine03:56
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ajmitchhi LaserJock04:40
Kyralyo LJ04:41
LaserJockhi ajmitch04:42
LaserJockKyral: hi04:42
Kyralsup?04:42
LaserJockworking on a presentation for Tuesday04:43
LaserJockis LP down?04:43
bmontyLaserJock: yes04:43
bmontythey are swapping out the db server04:44
bmontyis there an openoffice.org package that is all of the help files?04:44
bmontyinstead of just language specific ones04:44
LaserJockcan we still upload if LP is down?04:46
crimsunyes04:46
crimsunthey'll just be queued, more than likely (like my vlc upload)04:46
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bmontygood night MOTUs05:13
LaserJockwhat would be a reasonable amount of time to wait for a Debian maintainer to fix a bug before we do it ourselves?05:16
Lathiatweek or two?05:17
Lathiatof course if we're close to relase might be easier just to fix..05:17
Lathiatsend patch05:17
Lathiati mean sending patches is always a good thing to do?05:17
LaserJockLathiat: hmm, thanks05:18
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ajmitchyay, the sort of away message we really want to know about05:33
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LaserJockhi minghua05:57
minghuaevening LaserJock05:58
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minghuaArrgh, launchpad is down06:24
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LaserJockminghua: yeah, until ~0600 UTC I think, moving the db I believe06:36
minghuaLaserJock: bad timing for me, I was expecting to find sponsors for two of my uploads this evening06:37
minghuabut wait, it's 05:37 UTC now06:38
LaserJockminghua: well, uploads are still possible but they will just be queued I think06:38
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minghuayay, launchpad is back07:17
highvoltageyay07:20
robitaillesort of.... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs   doesn't work07:20
minghuahello MOTUs there, does any MOTU have time to sponsor two uploads from me?07:22
minghuaon is for apt-proxy, bug #29267, UVF exception already granted07:23
Ubugtumalone bug 29267 in apt-proxy "apt-proxy crashes after upgrading" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2926707:23
ajmitchwow, new & improved layout, finally07:23
minghuaone is for scim-hangul, bug #33763, adding automatic start (im-switch) support07:23
Ubugtumalone bug 33763 in scim-hangul "scim-hangul: Add im-switch support" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3376307:24
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minghuabad day to ask for sponsors, I suppose07:38
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Xnixhowdy, anyone around?07:46
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dooglushi07:57
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sivanghi motus09:07
sivanghas anyone taken a look at eroastr? it fails even to create the iso right. I think it needs some quick love09:07
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tepsipakkisivang: aren't there better alternatives now? gnomebaker for one..09:41
tepsipakkifor me, eroaster has always been broken..09:47
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dholbachgood morning!10:04
Hobbseeevening dholbach!10:04
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sivangtepsipakki: I was just trying to use it as reference for wrapping cdrecord in python, but the code is so messed :-)10:07
sivangtepsipakki: does gnomebaker use cdrecord or libnautilus-burn ?10:07
sivangguten morgen dholbach !10:07
tepsipakkiI believe it uses cdrecord10:15
tepsipakkiat least it depends on it ;)10:16
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Tonio__hello10:20
lifelesswho operates breezy-backports ?10:22
crimsunUbuntu does.10:23
crimsun(requests, along with associated build logs, are sent to the backports mailing list. I think Mez is the conduit.)10:24
freeflyinglifeless: file your request to mailing list or forum10:24
lifelessfreeflying: ECONTEXT10:25
lifelesscrimsun: thanks10:25
lifelessMez: ping10:25
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alleesiretart: 'Forbidden' You don't have permission to access /revu1-incoming/kdissert-0603041545/<whatever> . Result: nobody can download files fromhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=209711:39
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tsenghi dholbach12:18
dholbachhi tseng12:18
tsengdholbach: what do I need to add a 'new' package to universe12:19
tsengdholbach: (it was actually there before, later removed for bitrot, now fixed)12:19
dholbachtseng: mail James12:20
tsengdholbach: no no, all the cool kids tell me i need a top secret exception12:20
tsengits not a James job12:20
dholbachtseng: he will tell you what you need.12:21
tsengI am confused12:21
tsengI can upload the package fine by myself, it is a MOTU policy that is stopping me12:22
dholbachwhich one?12:22
tseng'no new packages after FF' now12:22
dholbacha new upstream version?12:22
dholbachhmm12:22
dholbachask James12:22
dholbachhe'll know12:22
dholbachor wait - i can ask him12:22
tsenghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseProcess12:22
tsengits here12:22
tseng#12:23
tseng#12:23
tsengSince entirely new packages in universe are relatively safe and attract a number of new developers, they will be liberally admitted until FeatureFreeze if they do not require additional or newer dependencies.12:23
dholbachi talked to james, mail him12:23
dholbachit's fine12:23
tsengits not quite entirely new, but sort of12:23
tsengok, its not a sync at all12:24
tsengwhat am I to mail him?12:24
tsengits in revu12:24
dholbachit was removed from the archive, you want it to be included again12:24
tsengok.12:25
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danboidIs this the right place to come to request packages for the ubuntu plf repos?01:45
crimsunI'm not sure what we have to do with PLF. They're an independent entity.01:46
danboidwell, the Ubuntu PLF FAQ said I should come here and ask for a siretart on this channel to request a pack- siretart must be away?01:51
crimsunif he hasn't responded yet, he will eventually.01:52
siretartdanboid: I'm currently at work, but, what is it?01:55
siretartdanboid: you want to have a package in ubuntu?01:55
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danboidhi siretart- I just posted a message to the ubuntu-plf list requesting lxdvdrip and devede02:16
danboidboth have already been packaged in marillat02:16
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azeemW7302:19
azeemblah, sorry02:19
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raphinkMalone #2989504:29
Ubugtumalone bug 29895 in cupsys "same action is repeatedly logged" [Major,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2989504:29
ogra   * Add debian/patches/51_dont_log_ipp_printer_query.dpatch: Do not flood04:32
ogra     access_log with successful CUPS-Get-Printers and Get-Printer-Attributes04:32
ogra     queries (which are generated by gnome-cups-icon every 3 seconds). This is04:32
ogra     a hideous and hackish patch, but it has to do until we dbusify cupsys04:32
ogra     properly. (Malone #29895)04:32
Ubugtumalone bug 29895 in cupsys "same action is repeatedly logged" [Major,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2989504:32
ograraphink, from latest cupsys changelog ;)04:32
raphinkyes I know ogra04:32
raphinkthis is why I was querrying this bug04:32
raphinkto see if it was linked bith kdeprint one04:32
ogra:)04:32
raphinks/bith/with/04:33
raphinkdesn't seem to be04:33
raphinkbut it's worth a try04:33
raphinkwhen it's built04:33
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Xoritorcan anyone here help me figure out why i cant get pdebuild to build 32bit binaries?06:14
Xoritori have the 32bit chroot setup06:14
Xoritorpdebuild -- --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/base-i386.tgz  --binary-arch i38606:14
Xoritorthat says i386 is not a valid dsc file06:14
Xoritor pdebuild -- --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/base-i386.tgz  --binary-arch i386 /var/cache/pbuilder/result/libprelude_0.9.6.1-0ubuntu1.dsc06:15
XoritorCommand line parameter [i386]  is not a valid .dsc file name06:15
Xoritorboth invocations say the same thing06:15
Xoritorpbuilder build [options]  .dsc-file06:16
Xoritorso the dsc should be the last "argument"06:16
Xoritorpbuilder build --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/base-i386.tgz --binary-arch i386 /var/cache/pbuilder/result/libprelude_0.9.6.1-0ubuntu1.dsc06:17
XoritorCommand line parameter [i386]  is not a valid .dsc file name06:17
Xoritorit never gets past the i38606:17
Xoritor:-/06:17
Xoritordo i need the --binary-arch?06:19
Xoritoror since that chroot is i386 already will it just compile 32bit06:19
Xoritornope06:19
Xoritorits trying to do x86_6406:20
Xoritorchecking build system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu06:20
Xoritor:-(06:20
Xoritorpdebuild -- --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/base-i386.tgz /var/cache/pbuilder/result/libprelude_0.9.6.1-0ubuntu1.dsc06:20
Xoritorthats what i used06:20
azeemdo you have an amd64 chroot as well?06:21
Xoritoryes06:21
Xoritorand i got it working!!!06:21
Xoritorazeem, i got a him to patch to link against glibcrypt directly!06:21
Xoritor:-D06:21
Xoritoryay06:21
Xoritorthank you by the way06:21
azeemno problem06:21
Xoritorand it builds great now06:21
Xoritorshould i setup a pbuilderrc to use the DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=i386?06:22
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azeemso you still have that amd64 issue?06:23
Xoritorno06:23
Xoritoreverything works great with amd6406:23
Xoritor:-D06:23
azeemok, so what is the problem?06:23
Xoritorjust trying to also compile it 32bit on that same machine06:23
Xoritorie... "cross compile" kinda06:23
Xoritori have a 32bit chroot and a 64bit croot06:23
azeemI think you might need to execute something prior to entering the 32bit chroot06:24
Xoritorand i am trying to get pbuilder to do use the 32bit one06:24
Xoritorexport DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=i386 maybe?06:24
azeemI never did it myself though, but there surely should be information about this on google06:24
Xoritori am not finding much :-(06:24
Xoritormaybe my search terms are not right06:24
azeema lot of Debian people now have amd64 machines and need to build i386 .debs to upload06:24
Xoritoryea06:24
Xoritori found how to make a 32bit06:25
Xoritorbut not how to _use_ it ;-)06:25
Xoritorheh06:25
Xoritori mean with pbuilder that is06:25
Xoritorpdebuild -- --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/base-i386.tgz  --binary-arch i386 /var/cache/pbuilder/result/libprelude_0.9.6.1-0ubuntu1.ds06:25
Xoritorthat was my "best guess"06:25
Xoritorand it dies saying i386 is not a valid dsc06:26
Xoritorheh06:26
Xoritorwell... s/ds/&c/06:26
Xoritorbah!06:28
Xoritori think i found it06:28
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LaserJockdholbach: Guten Abend06:39
Mezlifeless, pong06:44
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Xoritorok... so that did not do what i thought it did... i did not have a 32bit chroot... it was just named as a 32bit chroot07:05
Xoritorheh07:05
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Xoritorwhat the heck07:15
Xoritori keeps downloading 64bit even though i have everything set to use 32bit07:16
Xoritorsudo pbuilder create --binary-arch i386 --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/base-i386.tgz07:16
Xoritorexport DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=i38607:16
Xoritoris there something ELSE i have to do?07:16
Xoritorcause i dont see it on the man page... nor google... nor any other docs i have searched07:17
LaserJockXoritor: do you have a 32-bit chroot?07:19
Xoritori was trying to create one with pbuilder create07:19
LaserJockXoritor: you could try building a 32-bit chroot and then build a pbuilder in that to see if it works any better07:20
Xoritorhmm07:21
Xoritorok07:21
Xoritordebootstrap --arch i386 dapper chroot/07:23
Xoritorthat _should_ work right?07:23
Xoritorhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is where its coming from07:23
LaserJockI think so07:27
Xoritorhmm07:28
G0SUBcan anybody tell me why xscreensaver depends on ttf-freefont?07:29
LaserJockG0SUB: doesn't appear to directly07:30
LaserJockG0SUB: must be pulled in from one of the deps07:31
G0SUBLaserJock IMHO, the cool bullets that are displayed when we type in the passwd in lock screen comes from ttf-freefont07:31
G0SUBLaserJock it's not a dep in debian though07:32
G0SUBLaserJock this is a bug in my opinion07:33
LaserJockwhy?07:33
G0SUBthe ubuntu xscreensaver should not depend on ttf-freefont ...07:34
G0SUBit doesn't in Debian07:34
LaserJockit doesn't07:34
LaserJockthe ubuntu xscreensaver doesn't have ttf-freefont as a direct dependency07:36
ograit has ...07:36
ograin breezy07:36
G0SUBaah!07:36
ograthe lock screen uses a font from ttf-freefont for the dots in the password window07:37
G0SUByep! I knew it07:37
LaserJockbreezy, hah, who runs that ;-)07:37
G0SUBLaserJock :)07:37
LaserJockthanks ogra07:37
ograits a ubuntu specific patch, so it wont draw in ttf-freefont in debian indeed :)07:37
G0SUBbtw, xscreensaver coflicts with xscreensaver-gnome which in turn depends on xscreensaver07:38
G0SUB[in breezy] 07:38
ograi didnt change any deps there ..07:38
ograxscreensaver-gnome ?? does that still exist ? i thought that was gnome107:38
G0SUBogra may be none uses it ... but I just noticed the thing07:39
ogranope07:39
ograits doesnt exist anymore07:39
G0SUBhmm okay07:40
G0SUBogra should I file a bug for the ttf-freefont issue?07:40
ograwhy ?07:40
ograthe depoendency is needed07:40
ograif you would take it away, the lock screen would break07:41
G0SUBogra it's an issue with us since ttf-freefont has broken indic fonts [and has higher preference]  ... to view indic text properly, ttf-indic-fonts is not enough, we have to remove ttf-freefont which breaks the whole system07:42
G0SUBI was just talking to a newbie who removed ttf-freefont which broke his gnome-desktop07:42
ograbut thats breezy ...07:43
G0SUByeah, I get that ... if it's fixed in dapper, then no issues07:43
ograwe wont fix stuff in breezy unless its dataloss critical07:43
G0SUBthanks :)07:43
ograyes, its fixed in dapper, since we dropped xscreensaver :)07:43
LaserJockogra: that's one way of getting rid of bugs ;-)07:44
G0SUBogra what are we using in dapper?07:44
ogragnome-screensaver07:44
G0SUBah, okay07:44
ograLaserJock, haha ... given what i trade for it, it was a bad deal07:44
ograeven the lock screen patch took me nearly a week every release to adjust it and get it right07:45
G0SUBogra does gnome-screensaver replace xscreensaver in dapper?07:45
ograyup07:45
G0SUBgreat ... /me hope nothing will break during a dist-upgrade07:45
ograalready happened ...07:45
G0SUBhopes07:45
ogranope, not hopes ... we switched weeks ago ... :)07:46
G0SUB:)07:46
G0SUBogra btw, what screensaver will Kubuntu guys use?07:47
ograno idea07:47
G0SUBheh07:47
LaserJockI think there is a KDE equivalent to gnome-screensaver07:48
LaserJockI'm sure it starts with a K ;-)07:48
G0SUBhaha07:48
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phanatichi people07:49
Xoritorhi person07:49
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ograLaserJock, Knome-screensaver ?07:49
ogranaaah07:49
Xoritorogra, no ksaver07:49
Xoritorerr... forgot it has to be Ksaver07:50
Xoritorheh07:50
G0SUBLaserJock btw, can I join the Motu-Science team?07:50
LaserJockogra: that's right ;-)07:51
LaserJockG0SUB: are you interested in Science related packages?07:51
G0SUBLaserJock yes, why not! I do a LOT of TeX07:51
LaserJockG0SUB: well, I'm starting a new member fee of $20 USD to support my Ubuntu habit  ;-)07:52
LaserJockG0SUB: just kidding of course07:52
G0SUBLaserJock I wish I could pay :)07:52
LaserJockG0SUB: but yeah, if you are willing to be a part of the team just join on LP07:53
G0SUBLaserJock right-away :)07:53
G0SUBLaserJock I hope you'll give me some work to do07:53
LaserJockG0SUB: and join the ubuntu-science ML if you haven't already07:53
phanaticare there any public infos available about the conf after release?07:53
LaserJockG0SUB: http://tauware.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-science07:54
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G0SUBLaserJock done07:55
LaserJockG0SUB: done07:57
LaserJockG0SUB: now get to work! ;-)07:57
G0SUBLaserJock give me some work07:57
G0SUB[please] 07:58
LaserJockG0SUB: check out the wiki at wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science07:58
G0SUBok07:58
LaserJockG0SUB: bug fixing is always nice, see tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/bug_list.html for a list of science related apps with bugs07:59
G0SUBokay07:59
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XoritorLaserJock, yay!08:14
Xoritoryay!08:14
Xoritorchroot into my new 32bit chroot and pbuilder seems to be working great08:14
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LaserJockXoritor: interesting, I would have thought it wouldn't have made much difference.08:15
LaserJockXoritor: but as long as it works ;-)08:16
Xoritoryep08:19
Xoritorits all good08:20
Xoritorsweet!08:20
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G0SUBLaserJock is http://picfu.com/s/107/706302624 a good emblem for MOTU-Science?08:28
XoritorLaserJock, well i should not have celebrated so early... it did not build the -dev for some reason... odd but im lookin into that now!08:28
Xoritorhahaha08:28
netzmeisterhello..08:28
Xoritorand no issues that time!08:29
Xoritorhah08:29
G0SUBLaserJock http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/science.png08:32
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LaserJockG0SUB: well, since I'm a chemist I kinda like that emblem ;-)08:40
G0SUBLaserJock :)08:41
LaserJockG0SUB: can we use it?08:41
G0SUBLaserJock of course!08:41
G0SUBI took it from openclipart.org08:41
G0SUBLaserJock the 2nd link has the resized emblem08:42
LaserJockG0SUB: what about this one: http://openclipart.org/clipart//science/chemistry_flask_matthew__01.svg08:43
G0SUBLaserJock yeah, good too ... but I kinda like the test-tube beside ...08:43
G0SUBLaserJock both are equally good08:43
LaserJocknetzmeister: Guten Abend08:43
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netzmeisterLaserJock:  Hi ;-)08:44
LaserJockG0SUB: ok, I'll take to #launchpad about getting it as our emblem, thanks08:45
G0SUBLaserJock why do you have to talk to launchpad admins?08:46
LaserJockI don't think that was always there08:46
G0SUBoh, may be ...08:47
G0SUBLaserJock you need to scale it to 16x16 px ... that's MAX allowed08:47
LaserJockG0SUB: the 2nd link is ok, right?08:47
G0SUBLaserJock yes, if you choose that :)08:48
LaserJocknetzmeister: Wie geht es dir?08:48
LaserJockG0SUB: looks, good to me. We can always change it if  we don't like it ;-)08:48
G0SUByep08:48
G0SUBit looks awesome08:49
netzmeisterLaserJock:  fine, thx. and you?08:49
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lifelessMez: hi09:41
Mezlifeless, hey - sup?09:41
Mezyou pinged me this morning09:41
lifelessMez: is there a breezy backport of bzr-dapper ?09:41
Mezlifeless: not that I know ow09:41
Mezof *09:41
lifelessMez: we'd love for there to be one09:42
lifeless;)09:42
Mezlifeless, I'm sure you would09:43
Mezhowever - at the moment09:43
Mezsoyuz doesnt support backports09:43
Mez:(09:43
lifelessah09:45
lifelessdoes that mean there are no backports for breezy anymore ?09:45
Mez lifeless I hope not ;)09:45
lifelessjust no new ones ?09:46
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Kyraloy...Looks like Riddell got another KDE convert10:08
G0SUBhaha10:11
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kikohello there10:11
Kyrallo10:11
G0SUBkiko :)10:11
kikojust wanted to check if people found launchpad any slower or faster today than usual10:11
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KyralBack when I started using Linux with Slack10 about 2-3 years ago I used KDE :P10:12
G0SUBkiko I see 2% performance boost10:12
kikoI like the precision, G0SUB10:12
G0SUBkiko hehe ...10:12
kikowe moved to a new database server10:12
G0SUByes, I got the mail ...10:12
kikoit has gobs of memory10:12
G0SUBI gues you are moving to PG 8.1 soon too10:13
kikowe are indeed10:13
G0SUBkiko I hope launchpad will perform better under more load ... you won't see much difference with the same load in my opinion10:13
LaserJockI like the new bug listing format in LP10:17
kikoI'm happy to hear that10:17
kikoI think it's nice too10:17
kikowe're going to knock off the right column for wide pages and only have a left column10:17
kikoshould reduce the stress with wrapping10:17
LaserJockalthough I would like to see a somewhat similar thing done to Pakcages10:17
G0SUBsee you guys later ... it's bed time here10:18
kikowell10:18
kikoLaserJock, did you note that +packages now has somewhat more useful information?10:18
LaserJockyes10:18
kikoI will improve it further time allowing10:19
LaserJockbut I only get about 4-5 packages /screen10:19
LaserJockfor instance https://launchpad.net/people/slomo/+packages has a lot of scrolling10:21
LaserJockbut at this point I just love having that info available10:21
LaserJockkiko: how hard would it to be to use xml-rpc on Malone?10:22
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kikoLaserJock, I'll reformat that list soon10:24
kikoLaserJock, it's not that much work but it's really not on the map yet10:25
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LaserJockkiko: is there anything set up yet to do larger scale bug queries? I'd like to be able to get a list of bugs given a list of source packages10:26
kikoLaserJock, yeah, there's a search and filter spec being worked on10:26
kikoit needs sign-off but it would make what you want possible10:26
LaserJockkiko: and that would work for lists of source packages ~500 big?10:27
kikommmm10:27
kikono it wouldn't10:27
kikowhat are you trying to do? :-)10:27
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LaserJockI lead a team of MOTUs that look after science related packages, we have a list of ~450 source packages. I want to be able to get a list of all the bugs.10:28
kikoan interesting use case10:29
kikoand I have no idea how to help you fix this10:29
LaserJockI think it will be a popular one here10:29
LaserJockwe have lots of teams10:29
kikohmmmm10:29
LaserJocknot usually will as large a number of source packages but still10:30
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LaserJockkiko: for instance, here is the list of MOTU Teams : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams10:30
LaserJockI'm sure each team would like to get a list of bugs given a set of source packages10:31
alleeLaserJock: You can subscribe to pkgs.  On subscribtion you can add your e-mail or the one of the team you are a member10:31
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LaserJockallee: that is a possibility but still requires us to form a list from emails.10:31
LaserJockallee: which isn't necessarily bad10:32
kiko_LaserJock, that is easier to do because you can use the X-Launchpad-Bug header10:32
kiko_other than that I'll ask you to email launchpad-users to describe your use case10:32
LaserJocksure, the MOTU are already using that header10:32
LaserJockbut I think that large scale query would be a fairly popular use case10:33
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LaserJockallee: but again that would require us to go through all the source packages and subscribe ourselves, doable for sure but not as nice as being able to query Malone.10:34
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LaserJockI'm just interested in the most efficient and effective way of getting bug listings for large numbers of source packages10:35
alleeLaserJock: But telling malone your list of 500 pkg each time you want to query is also not very handy ;)10:35
LaserJockallee: actually lucas made a script to do that, but it is verrry slow. Parsing each html file I believe10:36
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kikoLaserJock, if you give me a list of source package names I can set a team up as an initial bug contact for them10:36
LaserJockkiko: well, that is an interesting point to me10:36
kikoI can fast-track it on the DBA10:36
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LaserJockkiko: the problem for me is that MOTU Science is sort of a subset of MOTU so while MOTU Science is particularly interested in these packages any MOTU can change them and the bug reports should still go to universe-bugs@l.u.c10:38
LaserJockso I'm not sure if MOTU Science should be the initial bug contact or if MOTU should, does that make sense?10:39
kikoLaserJock, when you say "change them" what do you mean?10:39
LaserJockkiko: sorry, I mean upload bug fixes, etc.10:40
LaserJockkiko: so while MOTU Science would like to have a list of bugs, etc. I don't think we should be taking away from MOTU10:40
kikoyou don't need to take them away10:40
kikoyou can be an additional bug contact.10:40
LaserJockah, well that would be a bit more like what I'd like10:41
LaserJockkiko: is there something in the works to automatically assign bugs on Universe packages to MOTU?10:41
kikowell, you're in good hands10:41
kikonot exactly10:41
LaserJockit seems like I heard that somewhere10:41
kiko/all bugs/ on ubuntu have the Ubuntu bugs team subscribed to them initially10:42
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kikosome source packages have bug contacts; their bugs have the correct bug contacts subscribed to them10:42
LaserJockso does the initial bug contact just mean you are automatically subscribed to any bug on that packages?10:42
LaserJockjust to be clear10:43
kikocorrect.10:43
kikoto any bug /filed/ on the specified package10:43
kikoit is not retroactive10:43
kikoand it is not implicit10:43
LaserJockok10:43
kikobut we can subscribe the team to existing bugs10:43
LaserJockkiko: well, I've sort of done that already10:43
kikoI'm writing a FAQ entry for you10:43
kikothen it's cool10:44
kikoyou just need to have the contacts updated for the packages you want10:44
LaserJockkiko: I actually went through every source package and looked for bugs :(10:44
kikolots of clicking10:44
LaserJockyep ;-)10:44
kikonext time talk to me first :)10:44
LaserJockok, so if I gave you a list of packages can you add motuscience to the initial bug contact?10:45
kikoyep10:51
LaserJockkiko: I was thinking that initial bug contact was for assigning by default not subscribing by default. That is why I didn't want to do that10:52
kikothere are no default assignees in malone10:52
kikoyou need to assign people manually10:52
LaserJockgood10:52
kikoit is in some ways a feature10:52
kikobut you need to get used to it10:52
LaserJockok, so should I still email a use case to launchpad-users?10:53
kikowell10:53
kikothat depends.10:53
kikodo you want the use case fulfilled, or is having the IBC subscribed enough?10:53
LaserJockhmmm, I think it would eventually be nice to use xml-rpc to query large numbers of packages but I think the IBC + mailing list is a good solution10:54
LaserJockkiko: btw, thanks for all the help. LP is still quite mysterious to me ;-)10:57
kikoit's a bit of a mystery to us all, but we'll keep banging on it10:57
kikothanks10:57
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LaserJocknetzmeister: gut, danke ;-)10:59
netzmeisterhehe10:59
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LaserJockkiko: ok well, it might take me a bit to get the package list I want (I might weed out some) and then I'll email you, OK?11:02
kikosure.11:02
LaserJockthanks, that should make my life a bit easier11:02
netzmeisterLaserJock:  Do you know a package where i can look how i can spilt a package?!11:10
netzmeisters/spilt/split11:10
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ogranetzmeister, the debdiff between xscreensaver 4.23-4ubuntu3 and 4.23-4ubuntu411:14
LaserJocknetzmeister: grass might also be a good example11:16
ograah, sad, ubuntu3 is gone from the archive already11:17
LaserJockogra: yeah, seems like they go fast sometimes. that was a problem for MoM11:17
kikowell, we're at ubuntu 6.04 already, 3 is old news11:17
netzmeisterthx ogra & LaserJock11:18
ograLaserJock, the big problem for mom was the crash of snapshot.debian.net11:18
ograkiko, ah, come on :)11:18
ogra3 is never as old as it seems ...11:18
netzmeisterwhat is "lintian-overrides"?11:24
ograyou can use it for weird lintian errors that are not solveable11:24
netzmeisterah okay..11:25
ograhave a look at bibshelf, its a wonderful example (the best i've ever had)11:25
netzmeisterfor what?11:25
netzmeistersplitting?11:25
ograo see a linitan-override and in which cases you should use them11:25
ogra:)11:25
ogras/o/to/11:25
netzmeisterokay..11:26
LaserJockdarn it, my stupid mac is trying to use both i386 and ppc gcc at the same time11:31
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ograare the binaries called *_i386-powerpc.deb then ?11:33
LaserJockno, but I keep getting "cputype (7, architecture i386) does not match cputype (18) for specified -arch flag: ppc (file not loaded)"11:35
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ajmitchmorning11:38
LaserJockhi ajmitch11:38
kikoajmitch!11:38
tsengkiko!11:41
ogratseng!11:41
kikotseng!11:41
kikowhat would the world be without the motu11:42
tsengogra: up late?11:42
ogratseng, 23:42 ...11:42
ograits not *that* late11:42
tsengi stop working at 5pm :D11:42
tsengyou are still here11:42
ograi'm just in a phase where i go to bed ~311:42
ajmitchkiko! haven't seen you around here for awhile11:46
LaserJockkiko was helping me out :-)11:46
ajmitchah right11:47
kikoactually11:47
kikoI came in to ask if the site felt faster today11:47
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kikobut nobody gave me much of an answer! :)11:47
ajmitchthe main thing I noticed yesterday was a new bug listing, which is much improved11:47
ajmitchkiko: DB migration went ok?11:48
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tsengkiko: any operation in particular?11:49
tsengkiko: its pretty resonponsive in general11:49
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ajmitchand we know what they're like11:50
kikoajmitch, yeah, it appears that it worked well11:50
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kikothe new server has more memory than the database takes up11:50
ajmitchfor now11:51
ajmitchI imagine the DB will grow fairly quickly11:51
tsengkiko: could you put a filter in the model to disallow filing of stupid bugs?11:51
tsengbayesian11:51
tseng:P11:51
tseng'i built muine from cvs, it doesnt work.'11:51
kikoheh11:52
ajmitchmatch anything that mentions /usr/local11:52
kikothat would trigger lots of false positives11:52
kiko"I did NOT install to /usr/local" boom11:52
ajmitchthat's ok11:53
ajmitchit makes our job easier11:53
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ajmitchand I need to do another upload RSN to fix the dep11:58
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