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| netdur | hey, what age of students edubuntu traget? | 12:22 |
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| Burgwork | netdur, elementary is the current sweet spot | 12:57 |
| woolbeo | Anyone gotten local apps to work with ltsp on dapper/breezey? | 12:58 |
| netdur | Burgwork: thanks... I have a two questions about edubuntu | 01:02 |
| Burgwork | netdur, shoot | 01:02 |
| netdur | I may LEGALY pre-configure edubuntu to match local needs AND still call it edubuntu MOROCCAN EDITION? | 01:03 |
| Burgwork | hmm, that falls under trademark | 01:04 |
| Burgwork | I would email trademark@ubuntu.com | 01:04 |
| netdur | I'm planing to email them | 01:05 |
| netdur | :) | 01:05 |
| netdur | I mean info@canonical.com | 01:05 |
| netdur | now no needs for second question | 01:08 |
| woolbeo | How do you disable bootsplash for ltsp clients? | 01:11 |
| ogra | netdur, what exactly would you need ? probably we can just include it in edubuntu | 01:27 |
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| netdur | ogra, can I email you? | 01:39 |
| ogra | sure | 01:41 |
| netdur | :) | 01:41 |
| ogra | ogra@ubuntu.com | 01:41 |
| ogra | but dont expect answer today, its late here, i'll go to bed soon | 01:41 |
| netdur | okay wont email you today | 01:42 |
| ogra | email whenever you want, just dont expect me to answer immediately today ;) | 01:42 |
| netdur | it's okay :) | 01:43 |
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| JaneW | argh where's netdur gone? | 08:46 |
| JaneW | nm... | 08:46 |
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| spacey | ogra: ping | 11:55 |
| spacey | JaneW: ping | 12:05 |
| highvoltage | hi spacey | 12:08 |
| spacey | hi | 12:08 |
| spacey | :) | 12:09 |
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| JaneW | spacey: pong | 12:09 |
| spacey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HermanBos | 12:10 |
| spacey | i'll be running for ubuntu member today :p | 12:10 |
| JaneW | spacey: cool :) | 12:10 |
| spacey | i hope its enough :P | 12:10 |
| JaneW | good luck! | 12:11 |
| JaneW | I am sure ogra will vouch for you... | 12:11 |
| highvoltage | yes, good luck! | 12:11 |
| spacey | thanks | 12:11 |
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| ogra | JaneW, sure i will :) | 12:53 |
| JaneW | ogra: :) | 12:53 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra, what is happening to \sh? | 01:29 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: did something happen to him? | 01:29 |
| ogra | he has a new job... no idea what happened in the last 4 weeks ... | 01:29 |
| jsgotangco | im reading planet | 01:30 |
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| highvoltage | hmmm.. why does canonical need 'recent MS Windows experience' for a senior support engineer? | 01:33 |
| === highvoltage wonders where this original jobspec is posted | ||
| highvoltage | ogra: how gar is \sh from you? | 01:34 |
| ogra | about 70km | 01:34 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage, for migration stuff | 01:34 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: ah, ok. of course. | 01:34 |
| jsgotangco | i could actually apply but i dont think i have enough credentials | 01:34 |
| ogra | highvoltage, http://www.ubuntu.com/employment | 01:35 |
| jsgotangco | im already senior here locally, but for canonical i would only be classified as junior i'd say | 01:36 |
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| MyISPsuX | morning :) | 01:40 |
| MyISPsuX | Is anyone in this room? | 01:41 |
| ogra | nope :) | 01:41 |
| MyISPsuX | good I hate socializing | 01:41 |
| ogra | hehe | 01:41 |
| MyISPsuX | :) I have some questions about this distro | 01:41 |
| MyISPsuX | I am of course tired of windows again | 01:41 |
| MyISPsuX | and am putting ubuntu in my desktop and laptop both | 01:41 |
| MyISPsuX | I seen edubunto and thought it would be awesome for my kids | 01:42 |
| ogra | yeah :) | 01:42 |
| MyISPsuX | I would like most for them to run a live cd, but they want to use tehir firefox books and other small things like that... | 01:42 |
| MyISPsuX | Is the best option a USB frive? | 01:43 |
| MyISPsuX | drive* | 01:43 |
| MyISPsuX | or can it be configured that only one or two directories are writable? | 01:43 |
| MyISPsuX | They have great skills at locking stuff up and damaging OS's | 01:44 |
| MyISPsuX | any suggestions? | 01:44 |
| ogra | the new liveCd has a presisten home option with which you can keep your personal data on a usb stick | 01:44 |
| MyISPsuX | perfect! | 01:44 |
| highvoltage | kewl :) | 01:44 |
| ogra | but it wont come out before april | 01:44 |
| MyISPsuX | thank you sooooo much! | 01:44 |
| MyISPsuX | ohhhh :( | 01:45 |
| MyISPsuX | damn | 01:45 |
| MyISPsuX | lol | 01:45 |
| MyISPsuX | They can wait :D | 01:45 |
| highvoltage | well, even the older live cd will automount the usb stick, so they could manually drag/save files there. | 01:45 |
| ogra | we had no live CD last release ... sorry for that | 01:45 |
| highvoltage | oh, right /me was thinking about ubuntu live | 01:45 |
| ogra | highvoltage, yes, but that'd be a ubuntu live | 01:45 |
| ogra | :) | 01:45 |
| MyISPsuX | Well even if I put in an old 10GB hard drive, they could use that with a live? | 01:46 |
| MyISPsuX | am I looking at live cd's the wrong way? | 01:46 |
| ogra | sure | 01:46 |
| MyISPsuX | would it be best to partition 1/2 the drive and leave the second partition writable? | 01:46 |
| ogra | the liveCd does everything the normal installed system does as well | 01:46 |
| MyISPsuX | so there is some functionality | 01:46 |
| ogra | so if you plug in any removable device, it will get mounted as on the installed version | 01:46 |
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| MyISPsuX | yes but the shortcut to it would be on the desktop of the live cd even after a reboot? | 01:47 |
| ogra | that *could* work, i actually never tried | 01:47 |
| MyISPsuX | I mean once everything is installed, could you make all folders read only? | 01:48 |
| MyISPsuX | then they have a single writable folder? | 01:48 |
| MyISPsuX | it really needs to be bombproof, they even click popups | 01:48 |
| ogra | you can put your children in a separate group that has only write access to one folder, yes | 01:48 |
| MyISPsuX | ok, are there many apps that the kids would enjoy on the ISO already? | 01:49 |
| ogra | the april release will ship with pessulus, which is a tool to lock down the desktop | 01:49 |
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| ogra | hi Yagisan | 01:49 |
| MyISPsuX | Is there a news or info release on the April release? | 01:49 |
| ogra | MyISPsuX, on the ubuntu CD ? not really | 01:50 |
| MyISPsuX | edubuntu ? | 01:50 |
| MyISPsuX | I already have ubuntu for myself | 01:50 |
| ogra | we didnt change much this release .... so the applists yoou can find on www.edubuntu.org still apply | 01:50 |
| MyISPsuX | I am just looking for a non-MS option for the kids computer | 01:50 |
| MyISPsuX | this is the targetted audience correct? | 01:51 |
| ogra | mainly gcompris the tux4kids apps and kdeedu are for the kids ... | 01:51 |
| ogra | thats what we ship as our killer apps :) | 01:51 |
| ogra | (apart from ltsp which is our server side ) | 01:51 |
| MyISPsuX | ok I'll be back in a bit with a few more questions gonna keep reading about it | 01:51 |
| MyISPsuX | thanks | 01:52 |
| ogra | if you want to use edubuntu, please see the EdubuntuInstallNotes on the wiki | 01:52 |
| ogra | (since you likely dont want a ltsp server at home :) ) | 01:53 |
| Yagisan | heh | 01:53 |
| === highvoltage has two ltsp servers at home :) | ||
| Yagisan | that must make me odd wanting ltsp at home | 01:54 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: i think you are normal. don't listen to ogra :) | 01:54 |
| ogra | hehe | 01:54 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: you win | 01:54 |
| highvoltage | when local apps become better, i want to have a thin client on my TV running mythtv or something similar | 01:55 |
| Yagisan | does it count if they are also in vmware or xen ? | 01:55 |
| ogra | thats easily done | 01:55 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: no, i don't think so | 01:55 |
| highvoltage | ogra: really? do i install it in chroot and then ssh -X to the local machine? | 01:56 |
| ogra | why ssh -X ? | 01:56 |
| ogra | if you have it in the chroot, it already runs | 01:56 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i don't know. first thing that popped in my head. i think that's how you do local apps with k12ltsp | 01:56 |
| highvoltage | ogra: how would i do it then? | 01:56 |
| ogra | its not really ltsp anymore ... but the same way you did it when you apt-get installed ubuntu-desktop in your chroot ... | 01:57 |
| ogra | did you say that worked fine ? | 01:57 |
| highvoltage | yep, although i had to break/fix a bunch of other stuff to make it work fine. | 01:57 |
| ogra | its just netbooting a client with nfs mounted root :) | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | but yes, i could install a full fat client system in the chroot and boot from that | 01:58 |
| ogra | you will likely have to tweak the ltsp-client initscript ... but that should be it | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | yes, but i want a standard ubuntu ltsp, capable of running local apps! | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | reason: just because that would be ultra-cool. | 01:58 |
| ogra | thats something for dapper+1 or +2 :) | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | yeah, i know :) | 01:59 |
| Yagisan | heh - folding@home highvoltage. You can join teamubuntu :) | 01:59 |
| ogra | (rather +2, since we'll have to deal with local devices first) | 01:59 |
| highvoltage | when edubuntu has local devices, local apps, and nicer LDM themes, no educational distro will be able to compete anymore. mhuhahahahaha | 02:00 |
| ogra | hehe | 02:01 |
| ogra | dont forget ltsp kiosk mode out of the box :) | 02:01 |
| MyISPsuX | ltsp? | 02:02 |
| highvoltage | ant that, of course | 02:02 |
| highvoltage | MyISPsuX: Linux Terminal Server Project | 02:02 |
| highvoltage | MyISPsuX: it allowes you to run diskless thin clients from your edubuntu server | 02:02 |
| MyISPsuX | sweet! | 02:03 |
| MyISPsuX | hard on the router? | 02:03 |
| MyISPsuX | high bandwidth? | 02:03 |
| ogra | you can run it fine on a 100Mbit network | 02:03 |
| MyISPsuX | So I can steal all the kids' hard drives and give them a measly 3Gb on the server and they boot from LAN ? | 02:04 |
| MyISPsuX | that would give me 2TB!!! | 02:04 |
| ogra | yup | 02:04 |
| MyISPsuX | where is the FAQ on LTSP? | 02:05 |
| ogra | heh | 02:05 |
| ogra | we are the faq currently ... at least for edubuntu specific sutff :) | 02:05 |
| MyISPsuX | ohh one of those lol | 02:05 |
| highvoltage | MyISPsuX: you might need to spend quite a bit of money on controllers to add that much hard disks to your pc | 02:05 |
| ogra | some docs are on wiki.edubuntu.org | 02:05 |
| MyISPsuX | LTSP is not on ubuntu? | 02:05 |
| MyISPsuX | only ed? | 02:05 |
| ogra | its in ubuntu as well | 02:06 |
| highvoltage | you can apt-get install it on ubuntu | 02:06 |
| ogra | +but edubuntu preinstalls it | 02:06 |
| MyISPsuX | ok | 02:06 |
| highvoltage | or fint it in synaptic | 02:06 |
| Yagisan | it's in ubuntu. It needs manual set up though | 02:06 |
| ogra | and edubuntu does 99% of the setup for you | 02:06 |
| MyISPsuX | edubuntu is not a kid's release then? | 02:06 |
| MyISPsuX | it is a full fledged server? | 02:07 |
| ogra | edubuntu default is a classroom server | 02:07 |
| MyISPsuX | I see | 02:07 |
| ogra | edubuntu workstation is for home use without the server bits | 02:07 |
| MyISPsuX | aimed at institutions | 02:07 |
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| ogra | the default install, yes ... for home use you can take workstation as install option | 02:07 |
| ogra | (as i said, see the EdubuntuInstallNotes wikipage, it explains the variants) | 02:08 |
| MyISPsuX | there is one ISO release though correct? I am not downloading the wrong file right? 5.10 | 02:08 |
| ogra | http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | 02:09 |
| MyISPsuX | which half of April. The first half or the second? ;) | 02:09 |
| ogra | thats the current stable release | 02:09 |
| highvoltage | MyISPsuX: if this is just for testing, or for your own use, and you feel adventurous, you might also want to try the preview version of the next version (6.04) | 02:09 |
| MyISPsuX | ok that is what I am getting :) | 02:09 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ | 02:09 |
| MyISPsuX | thank you highvoltage | 02:09 |
| ogra | thats the latest milesone snapshot of the dev release | 02:09 |
| MyISPsuX | didn't see it was open :) | 02:09 |
| MyISPsuX | is it CSV? | 02:10 |
| highvoltage | comma seperatet values? :) | 02:10 |
| ogra | nope, thats a iso snapshot you can install :) | 02:10 |
| MyISPsuX | ok :D | 02:10 |
| ogra | the development happens either on the source packages or in bazaar archives in ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu | 02:10 |
| MyISPsuX | ok, I will avoid the areas lol | 02:11 |
| ogra | hee | 02:11 |
| ogra | heh | 02:11 |
| MyISPsuX | you are running nix now? | 02:11 |
| ogra | nix ? | 02:12 |
| MyISPsuX | ubuntu? | 02:12 |
| JaneW | spacey: is the CC now? | 02:12 |
| ogra | i run several edubuntu and ubuntu installs here ... | 02:12 |
| ogra | JaneW, just done | 02:12 |
| MyISPsuX | what IRC client do you use? | 02:12 |
| spacey | JaneW: yup | 02:12 |
| JaneW | is that schedule also rotating now? | 02:12 |
| ogra | xchat | 02:12 |
| MyISPsuX | just so i know what to search for in a few minutes | 02:12 |
| highvoltage | MyISPsuX: irssi | 02:12 |
| JaneW | Ugh sorry, I thought it was still 8:00UTC | 02:13 |
| MyISPsuX | it's burning the ISO now | 02:13 |
| spacey | maybe someone here can cheer for me? :P | 02:13 |
| JaneW | I mean 20:00UTC | 02:13 |
| MyISPsuX | are there DVD burning utilities included? | 02:13 |
| MyISPsuX | not authoring but burning like for data? | 02:13 |
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| ogra | whoops | 02:17 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: are you running /win 11 | 02:19 |
| highvoltage | sorry, i'm bad at multitasking | 02:19 |
| highvoltage | ogra: are you running edubuntu on your ibook? | 02:20 |
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| iGotNoTime | XP froze again :):):) | 02:20 |
| ogra | highvoltage, on the test partition, yes | 02:20 |
| iGotNoTime | I logged back in to tell you that I appreciate the advice and answers this morning | 02:21 |
| iGotNoTime | >>>> is <MyISPSux> | 02:21 |
| ogra | iGotNoTime, youre welcome :) | 02:21 |
| iGotNoTime | ohhh one more question... | 02:23 |
| iGotNoTime | I have about 1.6 TB of Windows partitioned media files | 02:24 |
| iGotNoTime | can it read my partition? | 02:24 |
| iGotNoTime | will I have write access or read only? | 02:24 |
| ogra | depends on the format | 02:24 |
| iGotNoTime | NTSF | 02:25 |
| ogra | ntfs isnt safe to write to iirc (no windows around to confirm that) | 02:25 |
| ogra | but reading will work in any case | 02:25 |
| iGotNoTime | right | 02:25 |
| iGotNoTime | this is how I have so much space, everytime I install Linux I have to buy a bog drive to keep from losing my files while shuffling files and partitioning lol | 02:26 |
| iGotNoTime | big drive*** | 02:26 |
| ogra | heh | 02:27 |
| iGotNoTime | the last question when the computer froze was about dvd burning utility being included | 02:27 |
| iGotNoTime | is there? | 02:27 |
| ogra | sure | 02:28 |
| Yagisan | write works, but I'm not sure how well at the moment | 02:28 |
| iGotNoTime | cool | 02:28 |
| Yagisan | have a backup ? | 02:28 |
| ogra | the file manager has dvd writing capabilitys on its own ... and you have about 10 additional CD writing apps you can coose if that doesnt suffice | 02:29 |
| iGotNoTime | do any support Lightscribe yet? | 02:29 |
| iGotNoTime | I know now it is demanding LOL | 02:29 |
| iGotNoTime | no big deal if not | 02:29 |
| Yagisan | I haven't tested write for a while, but it seemed ok when I last tried with w2k. But that was a longtime ago | 02:29 |
| highvoltage | gtg, bye! | 02:31 |
| iGotNoTime | bye :) | 02:31 |
| iGotNoTime | I know you guys are more apt for edubunto than ubuntu, but in reality they have same engine correct. I mean just different software packaged with it? | 02:33 |
| iGotNoTime | one is not...m... say more powerful than the other? | 02:33 |
| ogra | nope | 02:35 |
| iGotNoTime | ok then | 02:35 |
| ogra | we include the edu apps and tweaked the installer to set up the ltsp server for you... but the base is the same | 02:36 |
| iGotNoTime | no problem :) | 02:36 |
| iGotNoTime | I choose this one then :D:D | 02:36 |
| ogra | heh :) | 02:36 |
| ogra | good choice | 02:36 |
| ogra | (not that i'm biased) | 02:37 |
| iGotNoTime | hehe | 02:37 |
| iGotNoTime | small community in here right now. When I need tech support I will goto #ubuntu and tell them that is what I run :D | 02:37 |
| ogra | hehe | 02:38 |
| ogra | but with specific probs, just come here | 02:38 |
| iGotNoTime | kk burning image now :) | 02:39 |
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| iGotNoTime | crimsun are you new here? | 02:45 |
| crimsun | iGotNoTime: no | 02:46 |
| iGotNoTime | I am | 02:46 |
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| crimsun | welcome | 02:46 |
| iGotNoTime | haha | 02:46 |
| iGotNoTime | I was just being obnoxious :P | 02:46 |
| iGotNoTime | I am done | 02:46 |
| ogra | JaneW, hey, grab your pompoms and your miniskirt and cheer up for spacey | 02:49 |
| spacey | :> | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | err pompoms would do | 02:49 |
| ogra | heh | 02:49 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, thats only half the fun :) | 02:50 |
| iGotNoTime | So ogra are you one of the developers? | 02:52 |
| ogra | yup | 02:53 |
| iGotNoTime | It's nice to see someone so eager about their work :) | 02:54 |
| iGotNoTime | Can I ask why there is no profit involved? | 02:54 |
| iGotNoTime | I mean even the most humble distros have a for profit enterprise version | 02:54 |
| ogra | because we have a rich guy paying for all this :) | 02:54 |
| iGotNoTime | haha | 02:55 |
| iGotNoTime | good heart | 02:55 |
| iGotNoTime | not for me but for the kids that will benefit from it | 02:55 |
| ogra | but apart from this the aim of canonical (the company behind ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu) is to earn money with support and customization | 02:55 |
| iGotNoTime | so you are looking to do custom in house installs in elementary schools for example? | 02:57 |
| ogra | nah | 02:57 |
| ogra | offering customization of the distro for specific use and get paied for it | 02:58 |
| iGotNoTime | you compiling custom versions for organizations then | 02:58 |
| iGotNoTime | ahhh | 02:58 |
| iGotNoTime | ok | 02:58 |
| ogra | i.e. you might have read about goobuntu | 02:58 |
| Yagisan | of course. I like that idea too ;) (well, support anyway. One day I should ask what escallation rates are) | 02:58 |
| ogra | the ubuntu version google uses for theor desktops | 02:58 |
| Yagisan | yes, it doesn't offically exist - so it must be widely deployed | 02:58 |
| ogra | if they had needed it, the could have bought the customization of the iso from us... | 02:59 |
| ogra | Yagisan, they use it internally only | 02:59 |
| Yagisan | yep. Thought so. | 03:00 |
| Yagisan | ogra: you're escallation rates. They are cheaper right ? | 03:01 |
| ogra | iGotNoTime, to be honest distros like suse or redhat dont earn their money through the enterprise licenses ... they earn from the support they sell around these licenses | 03:01 |
| iGotNoTime | I didn't know that Suse did too, but I JUST learned that about Redhat yesterday | 03:01 |
| ogra | so we just offer the support without having a separate proprietary product | 03:01 |
| iGotNoTime | I thought it was from shares of the books that include their disc | 03:02 |
| iGotNoTime | I was very wrong when I seen subscription rates to support forums | 03:02 |
| iGotNoTime | at least one of the Official Forums | 03:02 |
| ogra | the public forums are normally free in all distros ... | 03:03 |
| ogra | the specific support for customers isnt run through forums ... | 03:03 |
| iGotNoTime | hmmmm | 03:05 |
| iGotNoTime | I assumed the support service was to the forum | 03:05 |
| iGotNoTime | wrong again :) | 03:05 |
| ogra | at least not the paied one | 03:05 |
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| Yagisan | no. That is for freebies. | 03:05 |
| iGotNoTime | Edubuntu has a GUI for searching and finding apps to install or do I have to use a command line? | 03:08 |
| ogra | synaptic is installed for searching and installing apps | 03:08 |
| iGotNoTime | Like Xandros and Mepis.... | 03:09 |
| iGotNoTime | nevermind | 03:09 |
| iGotNoTime | good | 03:09 |
| iGotNoTime | you guys have all bases covered! | 03:09 |
| ogra | additionally you have an easier tool directly in the main menu | 03:09 |
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| iGotNoTime | burning my last lightscribe label now :P | 03:09 |
| ogra | :) | 03:11 |
| Yagisan | Night all | 03:13 |
| ogra | ciao Yagisan | 03:13 |
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| iGotNoTime | Hopefully see you all soon, running the install now :) | 03:50 |
| iGotNoTime | wish me luck | 03:51 |
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| JaneW | sorry guys I had to do the school run... | 03:59 |
| spacey | JaneW: i'm ubuntu member now \o/ | 04:01 |
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| JaneW | spacey: w00t. well done :))) | 04:01 |
| JaneW | you didn;t even need my pom-poms ;) | 04:02 |
| spacey | :) | 04:02 |
| spacey | hehe | 04:03 |
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| iGotNoTime | ogra you have a moment? | 05:45 |
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| iGotNoTime | good enough :P | 05:45 |
| highvoltage | :) | 05:45 |
| iGotNoTime | I installed and rebooted | 05:45 |
| iGotNoTime | everything started normally | 05:46 |
| iGotNoTime | then black screen | 05:46 |
| iGotNoTime | but had sound effects | 05:46 |
| iGotNoTime | I did the diagnostic safe start | 05:46 |
| iGotNoTime | same result | 05:46 |
| iGotNoTime | I reinstalled | 05:46 |
| iGotNoTime | same thing | 05:46 |
| iGotNoTime | 3 hours now | 05:46 |
| iGotNoTime | finally I figure out that it does not support dual video cards LOL | 05:46 |
| highvoltage | when does it show a black screen? when the login manager comes up? or before that? | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | Grub uses one card but Edubuntu uses another | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | yes for anything that reads Edubuntu | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | anything prior to the initialization is on the other card though | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | amusing waste of time | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | I laughed when I figured it out | 05:48 |
| ogra | Grub takes whats defined in your BIOS iirc :) | 05:48 |
| iGotNoTime | feeling very dumb for the second install now :D | 05:48 |
| highvoltage | ok. is it sorter out now? | 05:48 |
| iGotNoTime | it's ok Edubuntu uses the better MSI card :) | 05:48 |
| ogra | heh :) | 05:48 |
| iGotNoTime | yes excellent choice I am happy so far :) | 05:48 |
| highvoltage | s/sorter/sorted | 05:48 |
| iGotNoTime | looks very good default | 05:48 |
| ogra | great to hear that :) | 05:49 |
| iGotNoTime | filing me away? | 05:49 |
| iGotNoTime | :D | 05:49 |
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| iGotNoTime | anyway just wanted to tell you guys thanks again for all the help and questions you answered | 05:49 |
| ogra | highvoltage, i found the bug the sshkey copying ... | 05:49 |
| ogra | will be solved before flight5 | 05:49 |
| highvoltage | kewl :) | 05:50 |
| highvoltage | was it because ssh wasn't started at install time? | 05:50 |
| ogra | yup | 05:50 |
| ogra | mdz used ssh-keyscan for creating the keys on the client ... | 05:50 |
| highvoltage | ah. how do you fix it, by temporarily starting ssh while installing? | 05:51 |
| ogra | but ssh-keyscan asks the ssh server | 05:51 |
| ogra | which cant respond if its not running :) | 05:51 |
| ogra | just grepping the key names from /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and cat >> them into /opt/ltsp/powerpc/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts | 05:52 |
| ogra | the only tricky bit is to get the ip into the key ... i need to cat them twoce and replace hostname with ip | 05:53 |
| ogra | *twice | 05:53 |
| highvoltage | ok | 05:57 |
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| iGotNoTime | Ok two simple questions shoudl have me set until tonight.... | 06:00 |
| iGotNoTime | first what is ubuntu based on? The engine itself | 06:00 |
| highvoltage | engine? | 06:00 |
| highvoltage | that would probably be the linux kernel. | 06:00 |
| iGotNoTime | I mean for downloading programs what distro should I download for? | 06:00 |
| highvoltage | Ubuntu. | 06:00 |
| ogra | just use synaptic :) | 06:00 |
| highvoltage | most programs should be available in the ubuntu universe. | 06:01 |
| iGotNoTime | ok then :) | 06:01 |
| iGotNoTime | I am not one to compile :P | 06:01 |
| ogra | if you eanble all software sources you get access to ~17000 software packages | 06:01 |
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| iGotNoTime | last question for you guys... | 06:01 |
| highvoltage | that's a good thing, ubuntu isn't built for compiling your own stuff all over the place. | 06:01 |
| iGotNoTime | I have 6 drives in my case plugged in and identified in bios | 06:01 |
| highvoltage | synaptic is your friend :) | 06:01 |
| iGotNoTime | but only one seems mounted | 06:01 |
| highvoltage | what do you see in /media? | 06:02 |
| iGotNoTime | I do not want to change the file structure quite yet as they are full | 06:02 |
| iGotNoTime | that was my question I will check there | 06:02 |
| iGotNoTime | 2 cdroms 3 USB | 06:02 |
| iGotNoTime | 1 is USB | 06:02 |
| iGotNoTime | the others I assume is the flash media reader | 06:03 |
| iGotNoTime | I have one optical but no HDD are listed | 06:03 |
| highvoltage | you can also type cat /proc/partitions from a terminal window to see which partitions are detected on your disks | 06:03 |
| iGotNoTime | in filesystem/dev/ I see them I think | 06:04 |
| ogra | iGotNoTime, ubuntu doesnt just mount drives by default ... you might have confidential data on anouther partition ... | 06:04 |
| iGotNoTime | but there is a red X | 06:04 |
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| iGotNoTime | understandable :) | 06:04 |
| ogra | it mounts all removable media automagically | 06:04 |
| iGotNoTime | so is that a terminal command? | 06:04 |
| iGotNoTime | to mount I mean | 06:04 |
| ogra | but harddisks are untouched and its up to you to include them | 06:04 |
| ogra | add them to fstab | 06:04 |
| iGotNoTime | I better just go find some documentation :D | 06:05 |
| ogra | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ | 06:05 |
| iGotNoTime | thank you :) | 06:05 |
| highvoltage | afair, if you double-click on a mount point in /media, it mounts that volume automatically | 06:05 |
| ogra | for the system underneath you can apply all docs from theer to edubuntu as well | 06:05 |
| iGotNoTime | system underneath? | 06:06 |
| ogra | underneath the desktop :) | 06:06 |
| iGotNoTime | the problem is the drive are not listed in media either | 06:06 |
| iGotNoTime | ok | 06:06 |
| ogra | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04s02.html | 06:07 |
| ogra | just list them there ;) | 06:07 |
| iGotNoTime | exact page I am on :) | 06:08 |
| iGotNoTime | ok that is what you guys explained | 06:09 |
| iGotNoTime | what I mean is there is only 2 valid drives in the Media location | 06:09 |
| iGotNoTime | the other three are showing as blank (I assume it is for my media cards) | 06:10 |
| ogra | the installer creates the media directory | 06:10 |
| ogra | as i said, it wont touch random devices :) | 06:10 |
| ogra | so look which partitions are there and create directorys for them in /media | 06:10 |
| ogra | then add mountpoints as described to fstab | 06:11 |
| iGotNoTime | ok I misunderstood you, I am sorry :D | 06:11 |
| iGotNoTime | gotcha now :) | 06:11 |
| ogra | :) | 06:11 |
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| iGotNoTime | ok it says there is no way to use root, yet to edit the fstab you have to be logged in as root. What did I miss? | 06:44 |
| iGotNoTime | only SUDO | 06:44 |
| iGotNoTime | can't even edit with NANO | 06:44 |
| highvoltage | you don't need to login as root | 06:45 |
| highvoltage | sudo works, try it | 06:45 |
| highvoltage | $sudo vi /etc/fstab | 06:45 |
| highvoltage | or $sudo nano /etc/fstab | 06:45 |
| iGotNoTime | vi is what i was missing then | 06:45 |
| highvoltage | "sudo command" has the same effect as "command" with root | 06:45 |
| highvoltage | it will ask you for a password, this is your own password. | 06:45 |
| iGotNoTime | this command line thing is tough for me, that is why I look for GUI distros | 06:46 |
| iGotNoTime | thank you for the explanation | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | you could use gui too | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | sorry, i tend to explain command line because that's what i'm used to | 06:46 |
| iGotNoTime | if I could enable SUDO full time for my account? | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | you could also press ctrl+f2, then type: | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | gksudo "gedit /etc/fstab" | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | that will give you a graphical editor | 06:47 |
| iGotNoTime | very very cool | 06:47 |
| iGotNoTime | can all commands automatically be started that way in a config file while I am learning yet? | 06:48 |
| highvoltage | what do you mean? | 06:48 |
| iGotNoTime | so that when I click any file to open, it automatically will open the file all SUDOed up | 06:48 |
| highvoltage | there are ways to do that, but i wouldn't recomend it. | 06:49 |
| iGotNoTime | you know so that I get to reinstall every week after messing it up, that'll learn me quick | 06:49 |
| iGotNoTime | LOL | 06:49 |
| highvoltage | you can badly mangle your system accidentally. | 06:49 |
| highvoltage | while learning, that might be more like a few times a day, if you're sudo-root permanently | 06:49 |
| iGotNoTime | haha | 06:50 |
| highvoltage | you can type 'man sudoers' at the command line for help on configuring sudo | 06:50 |
| highvoltage | but i suggest you keep it like it is. | 06:50 |
| highvoltage | you don't want to learn bad habbits, do you? | 06:50 |
| highvoltage | it's best to learn the right way from the beginning. | 06:50 |
| iGotNoTime | yes I agree | 06:50 |
| iGotNoTime | I want Linux long term this time | 06:51 |
| iGotNoTime | I have never run it more than 10 months at a time yet | 06:51 |
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| highvoltage | it's best to make a gradual change. it took me quite a while to move over. | 06:52 |
| highvoltage | i dual booted for more than a year | 06:52 |
| iGotNoTime | yes that dual boot option is nice, I can keep Dreamweaver until Nvu is up to par with what I like :) | 06:53 |
| highvoltage | Dreamweaver? Nvu? those are very old-fasioned. | 06:54 |
| highvoltage | I prefer vim myself :) | 06:54 |
| highvoltage | quanta is quite nice too. | 06:54 |
| iGotNoTime | both linux? | 06:55 |
| iGotNoTime | See I have alot of reading to do :D:D | 06:55 |
| highvoltage | vim and quanta is on linux yes. | 06:56 |
| highvoltage | quanta is in universe | 06:56 |
| iGotNoTime | open source or commercial? | 06:56 |
| highvoltage | open source | 06:56 |
| highvoltage | open source and commercial aren't mutually exclusive concepts, either ;) | 06:56 |
| iGotNoTime | right | 06:57 |
| iGotNoTime | but for the most part | 06:57 |
| iGotNoTime | :) | 06:57 |
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| iGotNoTime | ok I added this drive to the fstab, rebooted (don't know if that was needed) and then went to the location I specified in fstab in Media and it is not showing. I checked the fstab to make sure it saved properly and it is there. Is there a second step to mounting? | 07:20 |
| highvoltage | what's the line you added to fstab? | 07:21 |
| highvoltage | brb | 07:21 |
| iGotNoTime | /dev/hdg1/media/HDDautorw,user,noauto00 | 07:21 |
| iGotNoTime | no rush I know you all have work to do too :) | 07:21 |
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| ogra | iGotNoTime, btw: alt-f2, then enter: gksudo "gedit /etc/fstab/" and hit enter | 07:26 |
| ogra | that saves you from the commandline ;) | 07:27 |
| iGotNoTime | yes he told me and that is what i did :) | 07:27 |
| iGotNoTime | just as fast as terminal though I think | 07:27 |
| highvoltage | iGotNoTime: does /media/HDD exist as a directory? | 07:27 |
| iGotNoTime | no I can not add anything in there | 07:28 |
| iGotNoTime | I thought by 'mounting' it would create | 07:28 |
| ogra | oh, sorry, didnt see that ... just came back from dinner :) | 07:28 |
| iGotNoTime | I right click in that directory but no create option at all | 07:29 |
| iGotNoTime | am I making you guys angry? | 07:29 |
| ogra | sure, you need sudo priveleges ... | 07:29 |
| highvoltage | iGotNoTime: you'll need sudo to add it in /media | 07:29 |
| ogra | nah | 07:29 |
| ogra | why should you make us angry = | 07:30 |
| ogra | ? | 07:30 |
| highvoltage | iGotNoTime: not at all :) sorry, busy with other things too | 07:30 |
| iGotNoTime | If it is the same as ubuntu I can ask in the bigger channel :) | 07:30 |
| iGotNoTime | then no babysitting lol | 07:30 |
| highvoltage | iGotNoTime: i'm fine with here too, i'm sure ogra is too :) | 07:30 |
| iGotNoTime | ok :) | 07:30 |
| ogra | i fear this time you wont get around using the commandline to create the directory in media :) | 07:31 |
| ogra | sudo mkdir /media/dir_name_you_want | 07:31 |
| iGotNoTime | kk | 07:31 |
| highvoltage | how about alt+f2, gksudo "mkdir /media/HDD" ? :) | 07:32 |
| ogra | sure | 07:32 |
| ogra | but if you get an error you wont see it ;) | 07:32 |
| highvoltage | red hat used to have a root nautilus browser (don't know if they still do). i'm glad ubuntu didn't go that way. | 07:33 |
| ogra | yeah, running file managers as root is evil evil evil ... | 07:33 |
| iGotNoTime | ok haha | 07:34 |
| iGotNoTime | the directory is now there | 07:34 |
| iGotNoTime | but empty | 07:34 |
| iGotNoTime | do I need to log out or reboot? | 07:34 |
| ogra | look if it shows up in the computer location in the filemanager | 07:34 |
| highvoltage | iGotNoTime: you will probably need to do a sudo mount /media/HDD now | 07:35 |
| ogra | (it will if everything is right ... i.e. fstab entry is right and directory is there) | 07:35 |
| highvoltage | iGotNoTime: a reboot isn't necassary | 07:35 |
| iGotNoTime | invalid permissions to view contents it says | 07:35 |
| ogra | how did your fstab line look ? | 07:36 |
| iGotNoTime | you have to mount with SUDO too? | 07:36 |
| ogra | can you paste it here ? | 07:36 |
| iGotNoTime | fsttab doesn't do that? | 07:36 |
| ogra | nope | 07:36 |
| ogra | it does that with the right options | 07:36 |
| ogra | thats why i'm asking for the line | 07:36 |
| iGotNoTime | /dev/hdg1/media/HDDautorw,user,noauto00 | 07:36 |
| ogra | that should do it ... | 07:36 |
| iGotNoTime | I copied the line form the USB drive | 07:37 |
| ogra | ls -l /media | 07:37 |
| ogra | ah, moment | 07:37 |
| ogra | /dev/hdg1 /media/HDD ntfs umask=0222,user,noauto 0 0 | 07:37 |
| ogra | try that one ... | 07:37 |
| iGotNoTime | damn I was wayyyyy off | 07:38 |
| ogra | yours is fine | 07:38 |
| ogra | i'm just not sure if auto is able to detect ntfs | 07:38 |
| ogra | and the umask is needed for the permission issue | 07:38 |
| iGotNoTime | ok | 07:39 |
| iGotNoTime | so umask is in the options tab? | 07:39 |
| ogra | yes | 07:39 |
| iGotNoTime | well now the icon changed from the yellow folder for HDD to one with a red X | 07:42 |
| ogra | you didnt make the change while it was mounted i hope | 07:46 |
| ogra | else: sudo umount /dev/hdg1 | 07:46 |
| ogra | and then check again | 07:46 |
| iGotNoTime | probably so | 07:46 |
| iGotNoTime | will try again | 07:46 |
| iGotNoTime | no I didn't mount | 07:48 |
| iGotNoTime | did not | 07:48 |
| iGotNoTime | did now | 07:48 |
| highvoltage | goodnight, #edubunty | 07:48 |
| highvoltage | s/#edubunty/#edubuntu | 07:49 |
| iGotNoTime | the red X is gone | 07:49 |
| ogra | doubleclick it | 07:49 |
| iGotNoTime | folder is empty yet, but I clicked Disks Manager | 07:49 |
| iGotNoTime | can you mount from there? | 07:49 |
| iGotNoTime | or only partition? | 07:49 |
| ogra | you can try ... i actually never used it :) | 07:49 |
| iGotNoTime | I am sorry | 07:50 |
| iGotNoTime | it worked! | 07:50 |
| iGotNoTime | My mistake | 07:50 |
| iGotNoTime | I was saying the folder /media/HDD was empty | 07:50 |
| iGotNoTime | i didn't look in the computer | 07:50 |
| ogra | yup | 07:50 |
| iGotNoTime | all files :D | 07:50 |
| iGotNoTime | I learned how to mount! | 07:51 |
| iGotNoTime | I need to go mount the other 5 before I forget how | 07:51 |
| ogra | and there should be an icon on your desktop | 07:51 |
| iGotNoTime | There is!!!! | 07:51 |
| ogra | you can unmount it by right clicking :) | 07:51 |
| iGotNoTime | thank you thank you thank you | 07:51 |
| iGotNoTime | brb :D | 07:54 |
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| iGotNoTime | Wow I am pretty embarassed seeing that I am the only noob in here asking questions all day long. :) | 08:49 |
| iGotNoTime | At the top right of my desktop it says there are 69 updates available, are these automatic? | 08:50 |
| ogra | click the icon ;) | 08:54 |
| iGotNoTime | yes all are safe though? | 08:55 |
| iGotNoTime | not beta? | 08:55 |
| ogra | you used the release CD ? | 08:55 |
| ogra | or the flight4 CD ? | 08:55 |
| iGotNoTime | downloaded ISO | 08:55 |
| iGotNoTime | 5.10 | 08:56 |
| ogra | yup, then its fine | 08:57 |
| iGotNoTime | ok :) | 08:57 |
| ogra | if you had used flight4 i'd have told you to check each package and its changes first :) | 08:57 |
| ogra | the 69 updates in the stable system are security fixes .... | 08:57 |
| iGotNoTime | just changed to 73 :P | 08:57 |
| iGotNoTime | I am mor confident now :) | 08:58 |
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| iGotNoTime | ogra do you by chance remember the name/s of the Nvu comparable software that voltage mentioned? | 10:51 |
| ogra | nope, but the channel is logged :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 10:53 |
| iGotNoTime | good because I hadn't started logging until an hour ago :) | 10:54 |
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| iGotNoTime | lucky :P | 11:36 |
| iGotNoTime | I am cheap so all AMD :( | 11:36 |
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