[12:22] <netdur> hey, what age of students edubuntu traget?
[12:57] <Burgwork> netdur, elementary is the current sweet spot
[12:58] <woolbeo> Anyone gotten local apps to work with  ltsp on dapper/breezey?
[01:02] <netdur> Burgwork: thanks... I have a two questions about edubuntu
[01:02] <Burgwork> netdur, shoot
[01:03] <netdur> I may LEGALY pre-configure edubuntu to match local needs AND still call it edubuntu MOROCCAN EDITION?
[01:04] <Burgwork> hmm, that falls under trademark
[01:04] <Burgwork> I would email trademark@ubuntu.com
[01:05] <netdur> I'm planing to email them
[01:05] <netdur> :)
[01:05] <netdur> I mean info@canonical.com
[01:08] <netdur> now no needs for second question
[01:11] <woolbeo> How do you disable bootsplash for ltsp clients?
[01:27] <ogra> netdur, what exactly would you need ? probably we can just include it in edubuntu 
[01:39] <netdur> ogra, can I email you?
[01:41] <ogra> sure
[01:41] <netdur> :)
[01:41] <ogra> ogra@ubuntu.com 
[01:41] <ogra> but dont expect answer today, its late here, i'll go to bed soon
[01:42] <netdur> okay wont email you today
[01:42] <ogra> email whenever you want, just dont expect me to answer immediately today ;)
[01:43] <netdur> it's okay :)
[08:46] <JaneW> argh where's netdur gone?
[08:46] <JaneW> nm...
[11:55] <spacey> ogra: ping
[12:05] <spacey> JaneW: ping
[12:08] <highvoltage> hi spacey 
[12:08] <spacey> hi
[12:09] <spacey> :)
[12:09] <JaneW> spacey: pong
[12:10] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HermanBos
[12:10] <spacey> i'll be running for ubuntu member today :p
[12:10] <JaneW> spacey: cool :)
[12:10] <spacey> i hope its enough :P
[12:11] <JaneW> good luck!
[12:11] <JaneW> I am sure ogra will vouch for you...
[12:11] <highvoltage> yes, good luck!
[12:11] <spacey> thanks
[12:53] <ogra> JaneW, sure i will :)
[12:53] <JaneW> ogra: :)
[01:29] <jsgotangco> ogra, what is happening to \sh?
[01:29] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: did something happen to him?
[01:29] <ogra> he has a new job... no idea what happened in the last 4 weeks ...
[01:30] <jsgotangco> im reading planet
[01:33] <highvoltage> hmmm.. why does canonical need 'recent MS Windows experience' for a senior support engineer?
[01:34] <highvoltage> ogra: how gar is \sh from you?
[01:34] <ogra> about 70km
[01:34] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, for migration stuff
[01:34] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ah, ok. of course.
[01:34] <jsgotangco> i could actually apply but i dont think i have enough credentials
[01:35] <ogra> highvoltage, http://www.ubuntu.com/employment
[01:36] <jsgotangco> im already senior here locally, but for canonical i would only be classified as junior i'd say
[01:40] <MyISPsuX> morning :)
[01:41] <MyISPsuX> Is anyone in this room?
[01:41] <ogra> nope :)
[01:41] <MyISPsuX> good I hate socializing
[01:41] <ogra> hehe
[01:41] <MyISPsuX> :) I have some questions about this distro
[01:41] <MyISPsuX> I am of course tired of windows again
[01:41] <MyISPsuX> and am putting ubuntu in my desktop and laptop both
[01:42] <MyISPsuX> I seen edubunto and thought it would be awesome for my kids
[01:42] <ogra> yeah :)
[01:42] <MyISPsuX> I would like most for them to run a live cd, but they want to use tehir firefox books and other small things like that...
[01:43] <MyISPsuX> Is the best option a USB frive?
[01:43] <MyISPsuX> drive*
[01:43] <MyISPsuX> or can it be configured that only one or two directories are writable?
[01:44] <MyISPsuX> They have great skills at locking stuff up and damaging OS's
[01:44] <MyISPsuX> any suggestions?
[01:44] <ogra> the new liveCd has a presisten home option with which you can keep your personal data on a usb stick 
[01:44] <MyISPsuX> perfect!
[01:44] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[01:44] <ogra> but it wont come out before april
[01:44] <MyISPsuX> thank you sooooo much!
[01:45] <MyISPsuX> ohhhh :(
[01:45] <MyISPsuX> damn
[01:45] <MyISPsuX> lol
[01:45] <MyISPsuX> They can wait :D
[01:45] <highvoltage> well, even the older live cd will automount the usb stick, so they could manually drag/save files there.
[01:45] <ogra> we had no live CD last release ... sorry for that
[01:45] <highvoltage> oh, right /me was thinking about ubuntu live
[01:45] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, but that'd be a ubuntu live
[01:45] <ogra> :)
[01:46] <MyISPsuX> Well even if I put in an old 10GB hard drive, they could use that with a live?
[01:46] <MyISPsuX> am I looking at live cd's the wrong way?
[01:46] <ogra> sure
[01:46] <MyISPsuX> would it be best to partition 1/2 the drive and leave the second partition writable?
[01:46] <ogra> the liveCd does everything the normal installed system does as well 
[01:46] <MyISPsuX> so there is some functionality
[01:46] <ogra> so if you plug in any removable device, it will get mounted as on the installed version
[01:47] <MyISPsuX> yes but the shortcut to it would be on the desktop of the live cd even after a reboot?
[01:47] <ogra> that *could* work, i actually never tried 
[01:48] <MyISPsuX> I mean once everything is installed, could you make all folders read only?
[01:48] <MyISPsuX> then they have a single writable folder?
[01:48] <MyISPsuX> it really needs to be bombproof, they even click popups
[01:48] <ogra> you can put your children in a separate group that has only write access to one folder, yes
[01:49] <MyISPsuX> ok, are there many apps that the kids would enjoy on the ISO already?
[01:49] <ogra> the april release will ship with pessulus, which is a tool to lock down the desktop
[01:49] <ogra> hi Yagisan 
[01:49] <MyISPsuX> Is there a news or info release on the April release?
[01:50] <ogra> MyISPsuX, on the ubuntu CD ? not really
[01:50] <MyISPsuX> edubuntu ?
[01:50] <MyISPsuX> I already have ubuntu for myself
[01:50] <ogra> we didnt change much this release .... so the applists yoou can find on www.edubuntu.org still apply
[01:50] <MyISPsuX> I am just looking for a non-MS option for the kids computer
[01:51] <MyISPsuX> this is the targetted audience correct?
[01:51] <ogra> mainly gcompris the tux4kids apps and kdeedu are for the kids ...
[01:51] <ogra> thats what we ship as our killer apps :)
[01:51] <ogra> (apart from ltsp which is our server side )
[01:51] <MyISPsuX> ok I'll be back in a bit with a few more questions gonna keep reading about it
[01:52] <MyISPsuX> thanks
[01:52] <ogra> if you want to use edubuntu, please see the EdubuntuInstallNotes on the wiki
[01:53] <ogra> (since you likely dont want a ltsp server at home :) )
[01:53] <Yagisan> heh
[01:54] <Yagisan> that must make me odd wanting ltsp at home
[01:54] <highvoltage> Yagisan: i think you are normal. don't listen to ogra :)
[01:54] <ogra> hehe
[01:54] <highvoltage> ogra: you win
[01:55] <highvoltage> when local apps become better, i want to have a thin client on my TV running mythtv or something similar
[01:55] <Yagisan> does it count if they are also in vmware or xen ?
[01:55] <ogra> thats easily done 
[01:55] <highvoltage> Yagisan: no, i don't think so
[01:56] <highvoltage> ogra: really? do i install it in chroot and then ssh -X to the local machine?
[01:56] <ogra> why ssh -X ?
[01:56] <ogra> if you have it in the chroot, it already runs 
[01:56] <highvoltage> ogra: i don't know. first thing that popped in my head. i think that's how you do local apps with k12ltsp
[01:56] <highvoltage> ogra: how would i do it then?
[01:57] <ogra> its not really ltsp anymore ... but the same way you did it when you apt-get installed ubuntu-desktop in your chroot ...
[01:57] <ogra> did you say that worked fine ? 
[01:57] <highvoltage> yep, although i had to break/fix a bunch of other stuff to make it work fine.
[01:58] <ogra> its just netbooting a client with nfs mounted root :)
[01:58] <highvoltage> but yes, i could install a full fat client system in the chroot and boot from that
[01:58] <ogra> you will likely have to tweak the ltsp-client initscript ... but that should be it
[01:58] <highvoltage> yes, but i want a standard ubuntu ltsp, capable of running local apps!
[01:58] <highvoltage> reason: just because that would be ultra-cool.
[01:58] <ogra> thats something for dapper+1 or +2 :)
[01:59] <highvoltage> yeah, i know :)
[01:59] <Yagisan> heh - folding@home highvoltage. You can join teamubuntu :)
[01:59] <ogra> (rather +2, since we'll have to deal with local devices first)
[02:00] <highvoltage> when edubuntu has local devices, local apps, and nicer LDM themes, no educational distro will be able to compete anymore. mhuhahahahaha
[02:01] <ogra> hehe
[02:01] <ogra> dont forget ltsp kiosk mode out of the box :)
[02:02] <MyISPsuX> ltsp?
[02:02] <highvoltage> ant that, of course
[02:02] <highvoltage> MyISPsuX: Linux Terminal Server Project
[02:02] <highvoltage> MyISPsuX: it allowes you to run diskless thin clients from your edubuntu server
[02:03] <MyISPsuX> sweet!
[02:03] <MyISPsuX> hard on the router?
[02:03] <MyISPsuX> high bandwidth?
[02:03] <ogra> you can run it fine on a 100Mbit network
[02:04] <MyISPsuX> So I can steal all the kids' hard drives and give them a measly 3Gb on the server and they boot from LAN ?
[02:04] <MyISPsuX> that would give me 2TB!!!
[02:04] <ogra> yup
[02:05] <MyISPsuX> where is the FAQ on LTSP?
[02:05] <ogra> heh
[02:05] <ogra> we are the faq currently ... at least for edubuntu specific sutff :) 
[02:05] <MyISPsuX> ohh one of those lol
[02:05] <highvoltage> MyISPsuX: you might need to spend quite a bit of money on controllers to add that much hard disks to your pc 
[02:05] <ogra> some docs are on wiki.edubuntu.org
[02:05] <MyISPsuX> LTSP is not on ubuntu?
[02:05] <MyISPsuX> only ed?
[02:06] <ogra> its in ubuntu as well
[02:06] <highvoltage> you can apt-get install it on ubuntu
[02:06] <ogra> +but edubuntu preinstalls it 
[02:06] <MyISPsuX> ok
[02:06] <highvoltage> or fint it in synaptic
[02:06] <Yagisan> it's in ubuntu. It needs manual set up though
[02:06] <ogra> and edubuntu does 99% of the setup for you
[02:06] <MyISPsuX> edubuntu is not a kid's release then?
[02:07] <MyISPsuX> it is a full fledged server?
[02:07] <ogra> edubuntu default is a classroom server
[02:07] <MyISPsuX> I see
[02:07] <ogra> edubuntu workstation is for home use without the server bits
[02:07] <MyISPsuX> aimed at institutions
[02:07] <ogra> the default install, yes ... for home use you can take workstation as install option
[02:08] <ogra> (as i said, see the EdubuntuInstallNotes wikipage, it explains the variants)
[02:08] <MyISPsuX> there is one ISO release though correct? I am not downloading the wrong file right? 5.10
[02:09] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/
[02:09] <MyISPsuX> which half of April. The first half or the second? ;)
[02:09] <ogra> thats the current stable release
[02:09] <highvoltage> MyISPsuX: if this is just for testing, or for your own use, and you feel adventurous, you might also want to try the preview version of the next version (6.04)
[02:09] <MyISPsuX> ok that is what I am getting :)
[02:09] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
[02:09] <MyISPsuX> thank you highvoltage
[02:09] <ogra> thats the latest milesone snapshot of the dev release
[02:09] <MyISPsuX> didn't see it was open :)
[02:10] <MyISPsuX> is it CSV?
[02:10] <highvoltage> comma seperatet values? :)
[02:10] <ogra> nope, thats a iso snapshot you can install :)
[02:10] <MyISPsuX> ok :D
[02:10] <ogra> the development happens either on the source packages or in bazaar archives in ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu
[02:11] <MyISPsuX> ok, I will avoid the areas lol
[02:11] <ogra> hee
[02:11] <ogra> heh
[02:11] <MyISPsuX> you are running nix now?
[02:12] <ogra> nix ?
[02:12] <MyISPsuX> ubuntu?
[02:12] <JaneW> spacey: is the CC now?
[02:12] <ogra> i run several edubuntu and ubuntu installs here ...
[02:12] <ogra> JaneW, just done
[02:12] <MyISPsuX> what IRC client do you use?
[02:12] <spacey> JaneW: yup
[02:12] <JaneW> is that schedule also rotating now?
[02:12] <ogra> xchat
[02:12] <MyISPsuX> just so i know what to search for in a few minutes
[02:12] <highvoltage> MyISPsuX: irssi
[02:13] <JaneW> Ugh sorry, I thought it was still 8:00UTC
[02:13] <MyISPsuX> it's burning the ISO now
[02:13] <spacey> maybe someone here can cheer for me? :P
[02:13] <JaneW> I mean 20:00UTC
[02:13] <MyISPsuX> are there DVD burning utilities included?
[02:13] <MyISPsuX> not authoring but burning like for data?
[02:17] <ogra> whoops
[02:19] <highvoltage> ogra: are you running /win 11
[02:19] <highvoltage> sorry, i'm bad at multitasking
[02:20] <highvoltage> ogra: are you running edubuntu on your ibook?
[02:20] <iGotNoTime> XP froze again :):):)
[02:20] <ogra> highvoltage, on the test partition, yes
[02:21] <iGotNoTime> I logged back in to tell you that I appreciate the advice and answers this morning
[02:21] <iGotNoTime> >>>> is  <MyISPSux>
[02:21] <ogra> iGotNoTime, youre welcome :)
[02:23] <iGotNoTime> ohhh one more question...
[02:24] <iGotNoTime> I have about 1.6 TB of Windows partitioned media files
[02:24] <iGotNoTime> can it read my partition?
[02:24] <iGotNoTime> will I have write access or read only?
[02:24] <ogra> depends on the format 
[02:25] <iGotNoTime> NTSF
[02:25] <ogra> ntfs isnt safe to write to iirc (no windows around to confirm that)
[02:25] <ogra> but reading will work in any case
[02:25] <iGotNoTime> right
[02:26] <iGotNoTime> this is how I have so much space, everytime I install Linux I have to buy a bog drive to keep from losing my files while shuffling files and partitioning lol
[02:26] <iGotNoTime> big drive***
[02:27] <ogra> heh
[02:27] <iGotNoTime> the last question when the computer froze was about dvd burning utility being included
[02:27] <iGotNoTime> is there?
[02:28] <ogra> sure
[02:28] <Yagisan> write works, but I'm not sure how well at the moment
[02:28] <iGotNoTime> cool
[02:28] <Yagisan> have a backup ?
[02:29] <ogra> the file manager has dvd writing capabilitys on its own ... and you have about 10 additional CD writing apps you can coose if that doesnt suffice
[02:29] <iGotNoTime> do any support Lightscribe yet?
[02:29] <iGotNoTime> I know now it is demanding LOL
[02:29] <iGotNoTime> no big deal if not
[02:29] <Yagisan> I haven't tested write for a while, but it seemed ok when I last tried with w2k. But that was a longtime ago
[02:31] <highvoltage> gtg, bye!
[02:31] <iGotNoTime> bye :)
[02:33] <iGotNoTime> I know you guys are more apt for edubunto than ubuntu, but in reality they have same engine correct. I mean just different software packaged with it?
[02:33] <iGotNoTime> one is not...m... say more powerful than the other?
[02:35] <ogra> nope
[02:35] <iGotNoTime> ok then
[02:36] <ogra> we include the edu apps and tweaked the installer to set up the ltsp server for you... but the base is the same
[02:36] <iGotNoTime> no problem :)
[02:36] <iGotNoTime> I choose this one then :D:D
[02:36] <ogra> heh :)
[02:36] <ogra> good choice 
[02:37] <ogra> (not that i'm biased)
[02:37] <iGotNoTime> hehe
[02:37] <iGotNoTime> small community in here right now. When I need tech support I will goto #ubuntu and tell them that is what I run :D
[02:38] <ogra> hehe
[02:38] <ogra> but with specific probs, just come here 
[02:39] <iGotNoTime> kk burning image now :)
[02:45] <iGotNoTime> crimsun are you new here?
[02:46] <crimsun> iGotNoTime: no
[02:46] <iGotNoTime> I am
[02:46] <crimsun> welcome
[02:46] <iGotNoTime> haha
[02:46] <iGotNoTime> I was just being obnoxious :P
[02:46] <iGotNoTime> I am done
[02:49] <ogra> JaneW, hey, grab your pompoms and your miniskirt and cheer up for spacey 
[02:49] <spacey> :>
[02:49] <jsgotangco> err pompoms would do
[02:49] <ogra> heh
[02:50] <ogra> jsgotangco, thats only half the fun :)
[02:52] <iGotNoTime> So ogra are you one of the developers?
[02:53] <ogra> yup
[02:54] <iGotNoTime> It's nice to see someone so eager about their work :)
[02:54] <iGotNoTime> Can I ask why there is no profit involved?
[02:54] <iGotNoTime> I mean even the most humble distros have a for profit enterprise version
[02:54] <ogra> because we have a rich guy paying for all this :)
[02:55] <iGotNoTime> haha
[02:55] <iGotNoTime> good heart
[02:55] <iGotNoTime> not for me but for the kids that will benefit from it
[02:55] <ogra> but apart from this the aim of canonical (the company behind ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu) is to earn money with support and customization
[02:57] <iGotNoTime> so you are looking to do custom in house installs in elementary schools for example?
[02:57] <ogra> nah
[02:58] <ogra> offering customization of the distro for specific use and get paied for it 
[02:58] <iGotNoTime> you compiling custom versions for organizations then
[02:58] <iGotNoTime> ahhh
[02:58] <iGotNoTime> ok
[02:58] <ogra> i.e. you might have read about goobuntu 
[02:58] <Yagisan> of course. I like that idea too ;) (well, support anyway. One day I should ask what escallation rates are)
[02:58] <ogra> the ubuntu version google uses for theor desktops
[02:58] <Yagisan> yes, it doesn't offically exist - so it must be widely deployed
[02:59] <ogra> if they had needed it, the could have bought the customization of the iso from us...
[02:59] <ogra> Yagisan, they use it internally only
[03:00] <Yagisan> yep. Thought so.
[03:01] <Yagisan> ogra: you're escallation rates. They are cheaper right ?
[03:01] <ogra> iGotNoTime, to be honest distros like suse or redhat dont earn their money through the enterprise licenses ... they earn from the support they sell around these licenses
[03:01] <iGotNoTime> I didn't know that Suse did too, but I JUST learned that about Redhat yesterday
[03:01] <ogra> so we just offer the support without having a separate proprietary product
[03:02] <iGotNoTime> I thought it was from shares of the books that include their disc
[03:02] <iGotNoTime> I was very wrong when I seen subscription rates to support forums
[03:02] <iGotNoTime> at least one of the Official Forums
[03:03] <ogra> the public forums are normally free in all distros ...
[03:03] <ogra> the specific support for customers isnt run through forums ...
[03:05] <iGotNoTime> hmmmm
[03:05] <iGotNoTime> I assumed the support service was to the forum
[03:05] <iGotNoTime> wrong again :)
[03:05] <ogra> at least not the paied one 
[03:05] <Yagisan> no. That is for freebies.
[03:08] <iGotNoTime> Edubuntu has a GUI for searching and finding apps to install or do I have to use a command line?
[03:08] <ogra> synaptic is installed for searching and installing apps
[03:09] <iGotNoTime> Like Xandros and Mepis....
[03:09] <iGotNoTime> nevermind
[03:09] <iGotNoTime> good
[03:09] <iGotNoTime> you guys have all bases covered!
[03:09] <ogra> additionally you have an easier tool directly in the main menu
[03:09] <iGotNoTime> burning my last lightscribe label now :P
[03:11] <ogra> :)
[03:13] <Yagisan> Night all
[03:13] <ogra> ciao Yagisan 
[03:50] <iGotNoTime> Hopefully see you all soon, running the install now :)
[03:51] <iGotNoTime> wish me luck
[03:59] <JaneW> sorry guys I had to do the school run...
[04:01] <spacey> JaneW: i'm ubuntu member now \o/
[04:01] <JaneW> spacey: w00t. well done :)))
[04:02] <JaneW> you didn;t even need my pom-poms ;)
[04:02] <spacey> :)
[04:03] <spacey> hehe
[05:45] <iGotNoTime> ogra you have a moment?
[05:45] <iGotNoTime> good enough :P
[05:45] <highvoltage> :)
[05:45] <iGotNoTime> I installed and rebooted
[05:46] <iGotNoTime> everything started normally
[05:46] <iGotNoTime> then black screen 
[05:46] <iGotNoTime> but had sound effects
[05:46] <iGotNoTime> I did the diagnostic safe start
[05:46] <iGotNoTime> same result
[05:46] <iGotNoTime> I reinstalled
[05:46] <iGotNoTime> same thing
[05:46] <iGotNoTime> 3 hours now
[05:46] <iGotNoTime> finally I figure out that it does not support dual video cards LOL
[05:47] <highvoltage> when does it show a black screen? when the login manager comes up? or before that?
[05:47] <iGotNoTime> Grub uses one card but Edubuntu uses another
[05:47] <iGotNoTime> yes for anything that reads Edubuntu
[05:47] <iGotNoTime> anything prior to the initialization is on the other card though
[05:47] <iGotNoTime> amusing waste of time
[05:48] <iGotNoTime> I laughed when I figured it out
[05:48] <ogra> Grub takes whats defined in your BIOS iirc :)
[05:48] <iGotNoTime> feeling very dumb for the second install now :D
[05:48] <highvoltage> ok. is it sorter out now?
[05:48] <iGotNoTime> it's ok Edubuntu uses the better MSI card :)
[05:48] <ogra> heh :)
[05:48] <iGotNoTime> yes excellent choice I am happy so far :)
[05:48] <highvoltage> s/sorter/sorted
[05:48] <iGotNoTime> looks very good default
[05:49] <ogra> great to hear that :)
[05:49] <iGotNoTime> filing me away?
[05:49] <iGotNoTime> :D
[05:49] <iGotNoTime> anyway just wanted to tell you guys thanks again for all the help and questions you answered
[05:49] <ogra> highvoltage, i found the bug the sshkey copying ... 
[05:49] <ogra> will be solved before flight5
[05:50] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[05:50] <highvoltage> was it because ssh wasn't started at install time?
[05:50] <ogra> yup
[05:50] <ogra> mdz used ssh-keyscan for creating the keys on the client ...
[05:51] <highvoltage> ah. how do you fix it, by temporarily starting ssh while installing?
[05:51] <ogra> but ssh-keyscan asks the ssh server 
[05:51] <ogra> which cant respond if its not running :)
[05:52] <ogra> just grepping the key names from /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and cat >> them into /opt/ltsp/powerpc/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
[05:53] <ogra> the only tricky bit is to get the ip into the key ... i need to cat them twoce and replace hostname with ip
[05:53] <ogra> *twice
[05:57] <highvoltage> ok
[06:00] <iGotNoTime> Ok two simple questions shoudl have me set until tonight....
[06:00] <iGotNoTime> first what is ubuntu based on? The engine itself
[06:00] <highvoltage> engine?
[06:00] <highvoltage> that would probably be the linux kernel.
[06:00] <iGotNoTime> I mean for downloading programs what distro should I download for?
[06:00] <highvoltage> Ubuntu.
[06:00] <ogra> just use synaptic :)
[06:01] <highvoltage> most programs should be available in the ubuntu universe.
[06:01] <iGotNoTime> ok then :)
[06:01] <iGotNoTime> I am not one to compile :P
[06:01] <ogra> if you eanble all software sources you get access to ~17000 software packages
[06:01] <iGotNoTime> last question for you guys...
[06:01] <highvoltage> that's a good thing, ubuntu isn't built for compiling your own stuff all over the place.
[06:01] <iGotNoTime> I have 6 drives in my case plugged in and identified in bios
[06:01] <highvoltage> synaptic is your friend :)
[06:01] <iGotNoTime> but only one seems mounted
[06:02] <highvoltage> what do you see in /media?
[06:02] <iGotNoTime> I do not want to change the file structure quite yet as they are full
[06:02] <iGotNoTime> that was my question I will check there
[06:02] <iGotNoTime> 2 cdroms 3 USB
[06:02] <iGotNoTime> 1 is USB
[06:03] <iGotNoTime> the  others I assume is the flash media reader
[06:03] <iGotNoTime> I have one optical but no HDD are listed
[06:03] <highvoltage> you can also type cat /proc/partitions from a terminal window to see which partitions are detected on your disks
[06:04] <iGotNoTime> in filesystem/dev/ I see them I think
[06:04] <ogra> iGotNoTime, ubuntu doesnt just mount drives by default ... you might have confidential data on anouther partition ...
[06:04] <iGotNoTime> but there is a red X
[06:04] <iGotNoTime> understandable :)
[06:04] <ogra> it mounts all removable media automagically
[06:04] <iGotNoTime> so is that a terminal command?
[06:04] <iGotNoTime> to mount I mean
[06:04] <ogra> but harddisks are untouched and its up to you to include them 
[06:04] <ogra> add them to fstab
[06:05] <iGotNoTime> I better just go find some documentation :D
[06:05] <ogra> http://doc.ubuntu.com/
[06:05] <iGotNoTime> thank you :)
[06:05] <highvoltage> afair, if you double-click on a mount point in /media, it mounts that volume automatically
[06:05] <ogra> for the system underneath you can apply all docs from theer to edubuntu as well
[06:06] <iGotNoTime> system underneath?
[06:06] <ogra> underneath the desktop :)
[06:06] <iGotNoTime> the problem is the drive are not listed in media either
[06:06] <iGotNoTime> ok
[06:07] <ogra> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04s02.html
[06:07] <ogra> just list them there ;)
[06:08] <iGotNoTime> exact page I am on :)
[06:09] <iGotNoTime> ok that is what you guys explained
[06:09] <iGotNoTime> what I mean is there is only 2 valid drives in the Media location
[06:10] <iGotNoTime> the other three are showing as blank (I assume it is for my media cards)
[06:10] <ogra> the installer creates the media directory 
[06:10] <ogra> as i said, it wont touch random devices :)
[06:10] <ogra> so look which partitions are there and create directorys for them in /media
[06:11] <ogra> then add mountpoints as described to fstab
[06:11] <iGotNoTime> ok I misunderstood you, I am sorry :D
[06:11] <iGotNoTime> gotcha now :)
[06:11] <ogra> :)
[06:44] <iGotNoTime> ok it says there is no way to use root, yet to edit the fstab you have to be logged in as root. What did I miss?
[06:44] <iGotNoTime> only SUDO
[06:44] <iGotNoTime> can't even edit with NANO
[06:45] <highvoltage> you don't need to login as root
[06:45] <highvoltage> sudo works, try it
[06:45] <highvoltage> $sudo vi /etc/fstab
[06:45] <highvoltage> or $sudo nano /etc/fstab
[06:45] <iGotNoTime> vi is what i was missing then
[06:45] <highvoltage> "sudo command" has the same effect as "command" with root
[06:45] <highvoltage> it will ask you for a password, this is your own password.
[06:46] <iGotNoTime> this command line thing is tough for me, that is why I look for GUI distros
[06:46] <iGotNoTime> thank you for the explanation
[06:46] <highvoltage> you could use gui too
[06:46] <highvoltage> sorry, i tend to explain command line because that's what i'm used to
[06:46] <iGotNoTime> if I could enable SUDO full time for my account?
[06:46] <highvoltage> you could also press ctrl+f2, then type:
[06:46] <highvoltage> gksudo "gedit /etc/fstab"
[06:47] <highvoltage> that will give you a graphical editor
[06:47] <iGotNoTime> very very cool
[06:48] <iGotNoTime> can all commands automatically be started that way in a config file while I am learning yet?
[06:48] <highvoltage> what do you mean?
[06:48] <iGotNoTime> so that when I click any file to open, it automatically will open the file all SUDOed up
[06:49] <highvoltage> there are ways to do that, but i wouldn't recomend it.
[06:49] <iGotNoTime> you know so that I get to reinstall every week after messing it up, that'll learn me quick
[06:49] <iGotNoTime> LOL
[06:49] <highvoltage> you can badly mangle your system accidentally.
[06:49] <highvoltage> while learning, that might be more like a few times a day, if you're sudo-root permanently
[06:50] <iGotNoTime> haha
[06:50] <highvoltage> you can type 'man sudoers' at the command line for help on configuring sudo
[06:50] <highvoltage> but i suggest you keep it like it is.
[06:50] <highvoltage> you don't want to learn bad habbits, do you?
[06:50] <highvoltage> it's best to learn the right way from the beginning.
[06:50] <iGotNoTime> yes I agree
[06:51] <iGotNoTime> I want Linux long term this time
[06:51] <iGotNoTime> I have never run it more than 10 months at a time yet
[06:52] <highvoltage> it's best to make a gradual change. it took me quite a while to move over.
[06:52] <highvoltage> i dual booted for more than a year
[06:53] <iGotNoTime> yes that dual boot option is nice, I can keep Dreamweaver until Nvu is up to par with what I like :)
[06:54] <highvoltage> Dreamweaver? Nvu? those are very old-fasioned.
[06:54] <highvoltage> I prefer vim myself :)
[06:54] <highvoltage> quanta is quite nice too.
[06:55] <iGotNoTime> both linux?
[06:55] <iGotNoTime> See I have alot of reading to do :D:D
[06:56] <highvoltage> vim and quanta is on linux yes.
[06:56] <highvoltage> quanta is in universe
[06:56] <iGotNoTime> open source or commercial?
[06:56] <highvoltage> open source
[06:56] <highvoltage> open source and commercial aren't mutually exclusive concepts, either ;)
[06:57] <iGotNoTime> right
[06:57] <iGotNoTime> but for the most part
[06:57] <iGotNoTime> :)
[07:20] <iGotNoTime> ok I added this drive to the fstab, rebooted (don't know if that was needed) and then went to the location I specified in fstab in Media and it is not showing. I checked the fstab to make sure it saved properly and it is there. Is there a second step to mounting?
[07:21] <highvoltage> what's the line you added to fstab?
[07:21] <highvoltage> brb
[07:21] <iGotNoTime> /dev/hdg1	/media/HDD	auto	rw,user,noauto	0	0
[07:21] <iGotNoTime> no rush I know you all have work to do too :)
[07:26] <ogra> iGotNoTime, btw: alt-f2, then enter: gksudo "gedit /etc/fstab/" and hit enter
[07:27] <ogra> that saves you from the commandline ;)
[07:27] <iGotNoTime> yes he told me and that is what i did :)
[07:27] <iGotNoTime> just as fast as terminal though I think
[07:27] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: does /media/HDD exist as a directory?
[07:28] <iGotNoTime> no I can not add anything in there
[07:28] <iGotNoTime> I thought by 'mounting' it would create
[07:28] <ogra> oh, sorry, didnt see that ... just came back from dinner :)
[07:29] <iGotNoTime> I right click in that directory but no create option at all
[07:29] <iGotNoTime> am I making you guys angry?
[07:29] <ogra> sure, you need sudo priveleges ...
[07:29] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: you'll need sudo to add it in /media
[07:29] <ogra> nah
[07:30] <ogra> why should you make us angry =
[07:30] <ogra> ?
[07:30] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: not at all :) sorry, busy with other things too
[07:30] <iGotNoTime> If it is the same as ubuntu I can ask in the bigger channel :)
[07:30] <iGotNoTime> then no babysitting  lol
[07:30] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: i'm fine with here too, i'm sure ogra is too :)
[07:30] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[07:31] <ogra> i fear this time you wont get around using the commandline to create the directory in media :)
[07:31] <ogra> sudo mkdir /media/dir_name_you_want
[07:31] <iGotNoTime> kk
[07:32] <highvoltage> how about alt+f2, gksudo "mkdir /media/HDD" ? :)
[07:32] <ogra> sure
[07:32] <ogra> but if you get an error you wont see it ;)
[07:33] <highvoltage> red hat used to have a root nautilus browser (don't know if they still do). i'm glad ubuntu didn't go that way.
[07:33] <ogra> yeah, running file managers as root is evil evil evil ...
[07:34] <iGotNoTime> ok haha
[07:34] <iGotNoTime> the directory is now there
[07:34] <iGotNoTime> but empty
[07:34] <iGotNoTime> do I need to log out or reboot?
[07:34] <ogra> look if it shows up in the computer location in the filemanager
[07:35] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: you will probably need to do a sudo mount /media/HDD now
[07:35] <ogra> (it will if everything is right ... i.e. fstab entry is right and directory is there)
[07:35] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: a reboot isn't necassary
[07:35] <iGotNoTime> invalid permissions to view contents it says
[07:36] <ogra> how did your fstab line look ? 
[07:36] <iGotNoTime> you have to mount with SUDO too?
[07:36] <ogra> can you paste it here ? 
[07:36] <iGotNoTime> fsttab doesn't do that?
[07:36] <ogra> nope
[07:36] <ogra> it does that with the right options
[07:36] <ogra> thats why i'm asking for the line
[07:36] <iGotNoTime> /dev/hdg1	/media/HDD	auto	rw,user,noauto	0	0
[07:36] <ogra> that should do it ...
[07:37] <iGotNoTime> I copied the line form the USB drive
[07:37] <ogra> ls -l /media
[07:37] <ogra> ah, moment
[07:37] <ogra> /dev/hdg1 /media/HDD ntfs umask=0222,user,noauto 0 0
[07:37] <ogra> try that one ...
[07:38] <iGotNoTime> damn I was wayyyyy off
[07:38] <ogra> yours is fine 
[07:38] <ogra> i'm just not sure if auto is able to detect ntfs 
[07:38] <ogra> and the umask is needed for the permission issue
[07:39] <iGotNoTime> ok
[07:39] <iGotNoTime> so umask is in the options tab?
[07:39] <ogra> yes
[07:42] <iGotNoTime> well now the icon changed from the yellow folder for HDD to one with a red X
[07:46] <ogra> you didnt make the change while it was mounted i hope 
[07:46] <ogra> else: sudo umount /dev/hdg1 
[07:46] <ogra> and then check again
[07:46] <iGotNoTime> probably so
[07:46] <iGotNoTime> will try again
[07:48] <iGotNoTime> no I didn't mount
[07:48] <iGotNoTime> did not
[07:48] <iGotNoTime> did now
[07:48] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubunty
[07:49] <highvoltage> s/#edubunty/#edubuntu
[07:49] <iGotNoTime> the red X is gone
[07:49] <ogra> doubleclick it
[07:49] <iGotNoTime> folder is empty yet, but I clicked Disks Manager
[07:49] <iGotNoTime> can you mount from there?
[07:49] <iGotNoTime> or only partition?
[07:49] <ogra> you can try ... i actually never used it :)
[07:50] <iGotNoTime> I am sorry
[07:50] <iGotNoTime> it worked!
[07:50] <iGotNoTime> My mistake
[07:50] <iGotNoTime> I was saying the folder /media/HDD was empty
[07:50] <iGotNoTime> i didn't look in the computer
[07:50] <ogra> yup
[07:50] <iGotNoTime> all files :D
[07:51] <iGotNoTime> I learned how to mount!
[07:51] <iGotNoTime> I need to go mount the other 5 before I forget how
[07:51] <ogra> and there should be an icon on your desktop
[07:51] <iGotNoTime> There is!!!!
[07:51] <ogra> you can unmount it by right clicking :)
[07:51] <iGotNoTime> thank you thank you thank you
[07:54] <iGotNoTime> brb :D
[08:49] <iGotNoTime> Wow I am pretty embarassed seeing that I am the only noob in here asking questions all day long. :)
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> At the top right of my desktop it says there are 69 updates available, are these automatic?
[08:54] <ogra> click the icon ;)
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> yes all are safe though?
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> not beta?
[08:55] <ogra> you used the release CD ?
[08:55] <ogra> or the flight4 CD ?
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> downloaded ISO
[08:56] <iGotNoTime> 5.10
[08:57] <ogra> yup, then its fine 
[08:57] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[08:57] <ogra> if you had used flight4 i'd have told you to check each package and its changes first :)
[08:57] <ogra> the 69 updates in the stable system are security fixes  ....
[08:57] <iGotNoTime> just changed to 73 :P
[08:58] <iGotNoTime> I am mor confident now :)
[10:51] <iGotNoTime> ogra do you by chance remember the name/s of the Nvu comparable software that voltage mentioned?
[10:53] <ogra> nope, but the channel is logged :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[10:54] <iGotNoTime> good because I hadn't started logging until an hour ago :) 
[11:36] <iGotNoTime> lucky :P
[11:36] <iGotNoTime> I am cheap so all AMD :(