=== arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === netdur [n=adel@adsl196-98-54-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] hey, what age of students edubuntu traget? === woolbeo [n=woolbeo@toby.stoneflytech.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:57] netdur, elementary is the current sweet spot [12:58] Anyone gotten local apps to work with ltsp on dapper/breezey? [01:02] Burgwork: thanks... I have a two questions about edubuntu [01:02] netdur, shoot [01:03] I may LEGALY pre-configure edubuntu to match local needs AND still call it edubuntu MOROCCAN EDITION? [01:04] hmm, that falls under trademark [01:04] I would email trademark@ubuntu.com [01:05] I'm planing to email them [01:05] :) [01:05] I mean info@canonical.com [01:08] now no needs for second question [01:11] How do you disable bootsplash for ltsp clients? [01:27] netdur, what exactly would you need ? probably we can just include it in edubuntu === woolbeo [n=woolbeo@toby.stoneflytech.com] has left #edubuntu [] [01:39] ogra, can I email you? [01:41] sure [01:41] :) [01:41] ogra@ubuntu.com [01:41] but dont expect answer today, its late here, i'll go to bed soon [01:42] okay wont email you today [01:42] email whenever you want, just dont expect me to answer immediately today ;) [01:43] it's okay :) === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === slomorbo [n=chatzill@modemcable245.6-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #edubuntu === slomorbo [n=chatzill@modemcable245.6-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #edubuntu [] === jammcq [n=jam@c-69-244-142-116.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.22] has joined #edubuntu === mylo [n=mylo@202.73.101.231] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === mylo [n=mylo@202.73.101.231] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [08:46] argh where's netdur gone? [08:46] nm... === JaneW checks timestamps and goes back to e-mails === Adalwulf [n=Adalwulf@dialup-4.253.13.156.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === Adalwulf [n=Adalwulf@dialup-4.253.13.156.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === fishfillet [n=sysadmin@210.213.87.34] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [11:55] ogra: ping [12:05] JaneW: ping [12:08] hi spacey [12:08] hi [12:09] :) === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [12:09] spacey: pong [12:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HermanBos [12:10] i'll be running for ubuntu member today :p [12:10] spacey: cool :) [12:10] i hope its enough :P [12:11] good luck! [12:11] I am sure ogra will vouch for you... [12:11] yes, good luck! [12:11] thanks === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === knuxxles [i=knuxles@195.174.35.107] has joined #edubuntu [12:53] JaneW, sure i will :) [12:53] ogra: :) === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.59.59] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === MyISPsuX [n=igotnoti@cpe-24-210-203-224.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === MyISPsuX [n=igotnoti@cpe-24-210-203-224.woh.res.rr.com] has left #edubuntu [] [01:29] ogra, what is happening to \sh? [01:29] jsgotangco: did something happen to him? [01:29] he has a new job... no idea what happened in the last 4 weeks ... [01:30] im reading planet === ogra looks [01:33] hmmm.. why does canonical need 'recent MS Windows experience' for a senior support engineer? === highvoltage wonders where this original jobspec is posted [01:34] ogra: how gar is \sh from you? [01:34] about 70km [01:34] highvoltage, for migration stuff [01:34] jsgotangco: ah, ok. of course. [01:34] i could actually apply but i dont think i have enough credentials [01:35] highvoltage, http://www.ubuntu.com/employment [01:36] im already senior here locally, but for canonical i would only be classified as junior i'd say === MyISPsuX [n=igotnoti@cpe-24-210-203-224.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [01:40] morning :) [01:41] Is anyone in this room? [01:41] nope :) [01:41] good I hate socializing [01:41] hehe [01:41] :) I have some questions about this distro [01:41] I am of course tired of windows again [01:41] and am putting ubuntu in my desktop and laptop both [01:42] I seen edubunto and thought it would be awesome for my kids [01:42] yeah :) [01:42] I would like most for them to run a live cd, but they want to use tehir firefox books and other small things like that... [01:43] Is the best option a USB frive? [01:43] drive* [01:43] or can it be configured that only one or two directories are writable? [01:44] They have great skills at locking stuff up and damaging OS's [01:44] any suggestions? [01:44] the new liveCd has a presisten home option with which you can keep your personal data on a usb stick [01:44] perfect! [01:44] kewl :) [01:44] but it wont come out before april [01:44] thank you sooooo much! [01:45] ohhhh :( [01:45] damn [01:45] lol [01:45] They can wait :D [01:45] well, even the older live cd will automount the usb stick, so they could manually drag/save files there. [01:45] we had no live CD last release ... sorry for that [01:45] oh, right /me was thinking about ubuntu live [01:45] highvoltage, yes, but that'd be a ubuntu live [01:45] :) [01:46] Well even if I put in an old 10GB hard drive, they could use that with a live? [01:46] am I looking at live cd's the wrong way? [01:46] sure [01:46] would it be best to partition 1/2 the drive and leave the second partition writable? [01:46] the liveCd does everything the normal installed system does as well [01:46] so there is some functionality [01:46] so if you plug in any removable device, it will get mounted as on the installed version === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-65-246-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [01:47] yes but the shortcut to it would be on the desktop of the live cd even after a reboot? [01:47] that *could* work, i actually never tried [01:48] I mean once everything is installed, could you make all folders read only? [01:48] then they have a single writable folder? [01:48] it really needs to be bombproof, they even click popups [01:48] you can put your children in a separate group that has only write access to one folder, yes [01:49] ok, are there many apps that the kids would enjoy on the ISO already? [01:49] the april release will ship with pessulus, which is a tool to lock down the desktop === Yagisan waves hello [01:49] hi Yagisan [01:49] Is there a news or info release on the April release? [01:50] MyISPsuX, on the ubuntu CD ? not really [01:50] edubuntu ? [01:50] I already have ubuntu for myself [01:50] we didnt change much this release .... so the applists yoou can find on www.edubuntu.org still apply [01:50] I am just looking for a non-MS option for the kids computer [01:51] this is the targetted audience correct? [01:51] mainly gcompris the tux4kids apps and kdeedu are for the kids ... [01:51] thats what we ship as our killer apps :) [01:51] (apart from ltsp which is our server side ) [01:51] ok I'll be back in a bit with a few more questions gonna keep reading about it [01:52] thanks [01:52] if you want to use edubuntu, please see the EdubuntuInstallNotes on the wiki [01:53] (since you likely dont want a ltsp server at home :) ) [01:53] heh === highvoltage has two ltsp servers at home :) [01:54] that must make me odd wanting ltsp at home [01:54] Yagisan: i think you are normal. don't listen to ogra :) [01:54] hehe === ogra has 4 ltsp servers at home :P [01:54] ogra: you win [01:55] when local apps become better, i want to have a thin client on my TV running mythtv or something similar [01:55] does it count if they are also in vmware or xen ? [01:55] thats easily done [01:55] Yagisan: no, i don't think so [01:56] ogra: really? do i install it in chroot and then ssh -X to the local machine? [01:56] why ssh -X ? [01:56] if you have it in the chroot, it already runs [01:56] ogra: i don't know. first thing that popped in my head. i think that's how you do local apps with k12ltsp [01:56] ogra: how would i do it then? [01:57] its not really ltsp anymore ... but the same way you did it when you apt-get installed ubuntu-desktop in your chroot ... [01:57] did you say that worked fine ? [01:57] yep, although i had to break/fix a bunch of other stuff to make it work fine. [01:58] its just netbooting a client with nfs mounted root :) [01:58] but yes, i could install a full fat client system in the chroot and boot from that [01:58] you will likely have to tweak the ltsp-client initscript ... but that should be it [01:58] yes, but i want a standard ubuntu ltsp, capable of running local apps! [01:58] reason: just because that would be ultra-cool. [01:58] thats something for dapper+1 or +2 :) [01:59] yeah, i know :) [01:59] heh - folding@home highvoltage. You can join teamubuntu :) [01:59] (rather +2, since we'll have to deal with local devices first) [02:00] when edubuntu has local devices, local apps, and nicer LDM themes, no educational distro will be able to compete anymore. mhuhahahahaha [02:01] hehe [02:01] dont forget ltsp kiosk mode out of the box :) [02:02] ltsp? [02:02] ant that, of course [02:02] MyISPsuX: Linux Terminal Server Project [02:02] MyISPsuX: it allowes you to run diskless thin clients from your edubuntu server [02:03] sweet! [02:03] hard on the router? [02:03] high bandwidth? [02:03] you can run it fine on a 100Mbit network [02:04] So I can steal all the kids' hard drives and give them a measly 3Gb on the server and they boot from LAN ? [02:04] that would give me 2TB!!! [02:04] yup [02:05] where is the FAQ on LTSP? [02:05] heh [02:05] we are the faq currently ... at least for edubuntu specific sutff :) [02:05] ohh one of those lol [02:05] MyISPsuX: you might need to spend quite a bit of money on controllers to add that much hard disks to your pc [02:05] some docs are on wiki.edubuntu.org [02:05] LTSP is not on ubuntu? [02:05] only ed? [02:06] its in ubuntu as well [02:06] you can apt-get install it on ubuntu [02:06] +but edubuntu preinstalls it [02:06] ok [02:06] or fint it in synaptic [02:06] it's in ubuntu. It needs manual set up though [02:06] and edubuntu does 99% of the setup for you [02:06] edubuntu is not a kid's release then? [02:07] it is a full fledged server? [02:07] edubuntu default is a classroom server [02:07] I see [02:07] edubuntu workstation is for home use without the server bits [02:07] aimed at institutions === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [02:07] the default install, yes ... for home use you can take workstation as install option [02:08] (as i said, see the EdubuntuInstallNotes wikipage, it explains the variants) [02:08] there is one ISO release though correct? I am not downloading the wrong file right? 5.10 [02:09] http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ [02:09] which half of April. The first half or the second? ;) [02:09] thats the current stable release [02:09] MyISPsuX: if this is just for testing, or for your own use, and you feel adventurous, you might also want to try the preview version of the next version (6.04) [02:09] ok that is what I am getting :) [02:09] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ [02:09] thank you highvoltage [02:09] thats the latest milesone snapshot of the dev release [02:09] didn't see it was open :) [02:10] is it CSV? [02:10] comma seperatet values? :) [02:10] nope, thats a iso snapshot you can install :) [02:10] ok :D [02:10] the development happens either on the source packages or in bazaar archives in ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu [02:11] ok, I will avoid the areas lol [02:11] hee [02:11] heh [02:11] you are running nix now? [02:12] nix ? [02:12] ubuntu? [02:12] spacey: is the CC now? [02:12] i run several edubuntu and ubuntu installs here ... [02:12] JaneW, just done [02:12] what IRC client do you use? [02:12] JaneW: yup [02:12] is that schedule also rotating now? [02:12] xchat [02:12] just so i know what to search for in a few minutes [02:12] MyISPsuX: irssi [02:13] Ugh sorry, I thought it was still 8:00UTC [02:13] it's burning the ISO now [02:13] maybe someone here can cheer for me? :P [02:13] I mean 20:00UTC [02:13] are there DVD burning utilities included? [02:13] not authoring but burning like for data? === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o ogra] by ChanServ [02:17] whoops === mode/#edubuntu [-o ogra] by ogra [02:19] ogra: are you running /win 11 [02:19] sorry, i'm bad at multitasking [02:20] ogra: are you running edubuntu on your ibook? === iGotNoTime [n=igotnoti@cpe-24-210-203-224.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:20] XP froze again :):):) [02:20] highvoltage, on the test partition, yes [02:21] I logged back in to tell you that I appreciate the advice and answers this morning [02:21] >>>> is [02:21] iGotNoTime, youre welcome :) [02:23] ohhh one more question... [02:24] I have about 1.6 TB of Windows partitioned media files [02:24] can it read my partition? [02:24] will I have write access or read only? [02:24] depends on the format [02:25] NTSF [02:25] ntfs isnt safe to write to iirc (no windows around to confirm that) [02:25] but reading will work in any case [02:25] right [02:26] this is how I have so much space, everytime I install Linux I have to buy a bog drive to keep from losing my files while shuffling files and partitioning lol [02:26] big drive*** [02:27] heh [02:27] the last question when the computer froze was about dvd burning utility being included [02:27] is there? [02:28] sure [02:28] write works, but I'm not sure how well at the moment [02:28] cool [02:28] have a backup ? [02:29] the file manager has dvd writing capabilitys on its own ... and you have about 10 additional CD writing apps you can coose if that doesnt suffice [02:29] do any support Lightscribe yet? [02:29] I know now it is demanding LOL [02:29] no big deal if not [02:29] I haven't tested write for a while, but it seemed ok when I last tried with w2k. But that was a longtime ago [02:31] gtg, bye! [02:31] bye :) [02:33] I know you guys are more apt for edubunto than ubuntu, but in reality they have same engine correct. I mean just different software packaged with it? [02:33] one is not...m... say more powerful than the other? [02:35] nope [02:35] ok then [02:36] we include the edu apps and tweaked the installer to set up the ltsp server for you... but the base is the same [02:36] no problem :) [02:36] I choose this one then :D:D [02:36] heh :) [02:36] good choice [02:37] (not that i'm biased) [02:37] hehe [02:37] small community in here right now. When I need tech support I will goto #ubuntu and tell them that is what I run :D [02:38] hehe [02:38] but with specific probs, just come here [02:39] kk burning image now :) === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu [02:45] crimsun are you new here? [02:46] iGotNoTime: no [02:46] I am === neurogeek [n=neurogee@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu [02:46] welcome [02:46] haha [02:46] I was just being obnoxious :P [02:46] I am done [02:49] JaneW, hey, grab your pompoms and your miniskirt and cheer up for spacey [02:49] :> [02:49] err pompoms would do [02:49] heh [02:50] jsgotangco, thats only half the fun :) [02:52] So ogra are you one of the developers? [02:53] yup [02:54] It's nice to see someone so eager about their work :) [02:54] Can I ask why there is no profit involved? [02:54] I mean even the most humble distros have a for profit enterprise version [02:54] because we have a rich guy paying for all this :) [02:55] haha [02:55] good heart [02:55] not for me but for the kids that will benefit from it [02:55] but apart from this the aim of canonical (the company behind ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu) is to earn money with support and customization [02:57] so you are looking to do custom in house installs in elementary schools for example? [02:57] nah [02:58] offering customization of the distro for specific use and get paied for it [02:58] you compiling custom versions for organizations then [02:58] ahhh [02:58] ok [02:58] i.e. you might have read about goobuntu [02:58] of course. I like that idea too ;) (well, support anyway. One day I should ask what escallation rates are) [02:58] the ubuntu version google uses for theor desktops [02:58] yes, it doesn't offically exist - so it must be widely deployed [02:59] if they had needed it, the could have bought the customization of the iso from us... [02:59] Yagisan, they use it internally only [03:00] yep. Thought so. [03:01] ogra: you're escallation rates. They are cheaper right ? [03:01] iGotNoTime, to be honest distros like suse or redhat dont earn their money through the enterprise licenses ... they earn from the support they sell around these licenses [03:01] I didn't know that Suse did too, but I JUST learned that about Redhat yesterday [03:01] so we just offer the support without having a separate proprietary product [03:02] I thought it was from shares of the books that include their disc [03:02] I was very wrong when I seen subscription rates to support forums [03:02] at least one of the Official Forums [03:03] the public forums are normally free in all distros ... [03:03] the specific support for customers isnt run through forums ... [03:05] hmmmm [03:05] I assumed the support service was to the forum [03:05] wrong again :) [03:05] at least not the paied one === strusberg [n=strusber@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu [03:05] no. That is for freebies. [03:08] Edubuntu has a GUI for searching and finding apps to install or do I have to use a command line? [03:08] synaptic is installed for searching and installing apps [03:09] Like Xandros and Mepis.... [03:09] nevermind [03:09] good [03:09] you guys have all bases covered! [03:09] additionally you have an easier tool directly in the main menu === Adalwulf [n=Adalwulf@dialup-4.253.10.100.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] burning my last lightscribe label now :P [03:11] :) [03:13] Night all [03:13] ciao Yagisan === mezzapazza [n=ivana@83-131-166-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [03:50] Hopefully see you all soon, running the install now :) [03:51] wish me luck === mezzapazza [n=glitch@83-131-166-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [03:59] sorry guys I had to do the school run... [04:01] JaneW: i'm ubuntu member now \o/ === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:01] spacey: w00t. well done :))) [04:02] you didn;t even need my pom-poms ;) [04:02] :) [04:03] hehe === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.120.164] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === pips1 [n=philipp@72.232.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === iGotNoTime [n=iGotNoTi@cpe-24-210-203-224.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:45] ogra you have a moment? === highvoltage has one, if that counts [05:45] good enough :P [05:45] :) [05:45] I installed and rebooted [05:46] everything started normally [05:46] then black screen [05:46] but had sound effects [05:46] I did the diagnostic safe start [05:46] same result [05:46] I reinstalled [05:46] same thing [05:46] 3 hours now [05:46] finally I figure out that it does not support dual video cards LOL [05:47] when does it show a black screen? when the login manager comes up? or before that? [05:47] Grub uses one card but Edubuntu uses another [05:47] yes for anything that reads Edubuntu [05:47] anything prior to the initialization is on the other card though [05:47] amusing waste of time [05:48] I laughed when I figured it out [05:48] Grub takes whats defined in your BIOS iirc :) [05:48] feeling very dumb for the second install now :D [05:48] ok. is it sorter out now? [05:48] it's ok Edubuntu uses the better MSI card :) [05:48] heh :) [05:48] yes excellent choice I am happy so far :) [05:48] s/sorter/sorted [05:48] looks very good default [05:49] great to hear that :) [05:49] filing me away? [05:49] :D === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [05:49] anyway just wanted to tell you guys thanks again for all the help and questions you answered [05:49] highvoltage, i found the bug the sshkey copying ... [05:49] will be solved before flight5 [05:50] kewl :) [05:50] was it because ssh wasn't started at install time? [05:50] yup [05:50] mdz used ssh-keyscan for creating the keys on the client ... [05:51] ah. how do you fix it, by temporarily starting ssh while installing? [05:51] but ssh-keyscan asks the ssh server [05:51] which cant respond if its not running :) [05:52] just grepping the key names from /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and cat >> them into /opt/ltsp/powerpc/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts [05:53] the only tricky bit is to get the ip into the key ... i need to cat them twoce and replace hostname with ip [05:53] *twice [05:57] ok === iGotNoTime [n=iGotNoTi@cpe-24-210-203-224.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [06:00] Ok two simple questions shoudl have me set until tonight.... [06:00] first what is ubuntu based on? The engine itself [06:00] engine? [06:00] that would probably be the linux kernel. [06:00] I mean for downloading programs what distro should I download for? [06:00] Ubuntu. [06:00] just use synaptic :) [06:01] most programs should be available in the ubuntu universe. [06:01] ok then :) [06:01] I am not one to compile :P [06:01] if you eanble all software sources you get access to ~17000 software packages === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-154-109.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] last question for you guys... [06:01] that's a good thing, ubuntu isn't built for compiling your own stuff all over the place. [06:01] I have 6 drives in my case plugged in and identified in bios [06:01] synaptic is your friend :) [06:01] but only one seems mounted [06:02] what do you see in /media? [06:02] I do not want to change the file structure quite yet as they are full [06:02] that was my question I will check there [06:02] 2 cdroms 3 USB [06:02] 1 is USB [06:03] the others I assume is the flash media reader [06:03] I have one optical but no HDD are listed [06:03] you can also type cat /proc/partitions from a terminal window to see which partitions are detected on your disks [06:04] in filesystem/dev/ I see them I think [06:04] iGotNoTime, ubuntu doesnt just mount drives by default ... you might have confidential data on anouther partition ... [06:04] but there is a red X === juliux_ [n=juliux@p549055A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:04]