[12:03] <theine> trappist: should include -lt 10000 as well
[12:03] <Kyral> Gahh dinner felt good lol
[12:04] <js_> how can i install a 32bit package on a 64-bit machine+
[12:04] <trappist> cat /etc/passwd | while read line; do x=`echo $line|cut -d: -f3`;if [ $x -ge 1000 -a $x -lt 10000 ] ;then echo $line | cut -d: -f1;fi;done
[12:04] <Kyral> js_: 32-Bit Chroot?
[12:04] <js_> Kyral: how can i install that? i need 32bit sdl libraries
[12:04] <Kyral> js_: That was just a guess honestly
[12:05] <Kyral> I don't use 64-bit
[12:11] <theine> trappist: the "while read ..." construct is really neat, thanks!
[12:11] <_heady> hi there
[12:12] <_heady> i just upgraded mi kubuntu and it overwrite my grub boot menu
[12:12] <_heady> so i cant boot to win xp
[12:13] <_heady> can somebody show me the menu.lst file so i can see what should i write in it ???
[12:13] <theine> _heady: look in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst for an example entry for Windows
[12:26] <gameface> okay guys for some reason i cant go to administrative mode
[12:27] <gameface> when i enter my passoword da first time it tells me wrong password
[12:27] <gameface> then 2nd time it tells me su failed
[12:27] <gameface> i cant turn on my network cards neither
[12:30] <_mihai> how do i configure a tightvnc
[12:30] <_mihai> connection?
[12:31] <gameface> no one ever ran into that problem before?
[12:32] <_mihai> faq on tightvnc please...
[12:33] <Tm_T> _mihai: google might help
[12:36] <m0nark> whoa, I'm falling in love with kubuntu
[12:37] <Snake|Sims2> m0nark: that cant be good for your health..
[12:37] <m0nark> hehe, it's a bit scary, yes :)
[12:38] <gameface> i like kubuntu
[12:38] <gameface> cept for i cant get to adminstrative mode
[12:39] <gameface> so i cant enable my netowr
[12:39] <gameface> network*
[12:40] <m0nark> do you get an error?
[12:40] <gameface> yeah
[12:40] <gameface> tellsme su failed conersion
[12:40] <gameface> but it wasnt doing it earlier
[12:40] <m0nark> that's strange.. tried to google it?
[12:41] <gameface> i uninstalled n reinstalled (same partition but i wiped out everthing but home directory)
[12:41] <gameface> yeah im tryin
[12:41] <gameface> ri now
[12:42] <m0nark> is a normal "sudo" working?
[12:42] <wotnarg> Where would you configure konqueror on what to open and what to save?
[12:42] <gameface> yeah and the root works when i try from terminal
[12:42] <gameface> just when i do it from system menu
[12:42] <gameface> it doesnt work
[12:43] <gameface> so i cant make any system changes
[12:43] <m0nark> utterly funky.. wish I had a clever solution to that, but never heard about anything like it
[12:44] <m0nark> good luck anyways :) I'm diving into some config files
[12:44] <gameface> let mego take a look on google
[12:44] <gameface> ill be be back
[12:55] <m0nark> gameface, found a little workaround if you're interested
[12:57] <m0nark> open a root konsole with "sudo konsole &", then you can launch "kcontrol" and get access to the admin features
[12:57] <m0nark> you could probably sudo kcontrol as well
[12:57] <chx> is there a desktop blogger API  client for Kubuntu?
[01:08] <chx> i downloaded kicker-kblogger from kde apps... now, how I run this app?
[01:08] <Kyral> chx: ./configure && make && sudo make install?
[01:09] <chx> Kyral: I downloaded & install a deb (for breezy)
[01:10] <Kyral> ah
[01:10] <Kyral> then uhh
[01:10] <chx> Kyral: the only problem, this is a kicker applet
[01:10] <Kyral> right click on the Kicker :P
[01:10] <Kyral> and select add applet?
[01:10] <chx> what's the Kicker ? :)
[01:10] <Kyral> teh panel :P
[01:10] <chx> ahhhhhhhhh
[01:10] <chx> add applet
[01:10] <chx> i tried add aplication
[01:11] <Kyral> We all start somewhere
[01:11] <chx> can you believe that I play w/ Linux for 13 years? :)
[01:11] <chx> this GUI stuff is new :D
[01:11] <Kyral> okay...then we all have one of those days :P
[01:11] <chx> that's so true
[01:12] <Kyral> oh if you are a terminal junkie like me, then you HAVE to install Yukauke(sp?)
[01:12] <chx> I am running Konsole...
[01:12] <Kyral> its a dropdown Konsole
[01:12] <chx> hmmm
[01:12] <Kyral> hit F12 and it drops from the top of the screen :P
[01:13] <chx> what I yearn for
[01:13] <chx> is the copy-paste putty had on windows
[01:13] <chx> you click-and-drag to mark the thing to be copied
[01:13] <chx> and then right click to paste
[01:13] <chx> can't be faster
[01:14] <chx> but no terminal app does that under Linux
[01:14] <chx> *sigh*
[01:17] <Snake|Sims2> chx: then make one ;)
[01:18] <rysiek|pl> hi there
[01:21] <Snake|Sims2> hi
[01:23] <chx> Snake|Sims2: my C++ skills are long gone. These days, I am PHP only (and quite good in that. Have you seen Drupal :)? )
[01:23] <chx> question... for an app like http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=29552&file1=29552-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=KBlogger this
[01:23] <chx> no menu at all
[01:23] <chx> i wonder, how could I configure it
[01:24] <Snake|Sims2> chx: who needs C++ skills? Python ftw ;)
[01:24] <chx> Snake|Sims2: a terminal app in Python? sounds interesting. but possible.
[01:24] <Snake|Sims2> :)
[01:25] <rysiek|pl> chx: that sounded scary: "terminal app" - "terminal illness" and so on ;)
[01:25] <Snake|Sims2> lol
[01:25] <chx> it says " Configuration is done via the applet menu."
[01:25] <chx> it's really chx's dumb night
[01:26] <chx> how do I reach that?
[01:26] <Snake|Sims2> chx: put it applet onto your kicker, then right click it
[01:26] <chx> done
[01:26] <chx> and?
[01:26] <chx> I get the usual configure menu
[01:26] <Snake|Sims2> chx: should say like "Configure so and so"
[01:26] <Snake|Sims2> yea.....
[01:27] <chx> i mean
[01:27] <chx> i got the panel configure
[01:27] <chx> AHHH
[01:27] <Snake|Sims2> chx: the little bar that you use to move the thing around has a arrow
[01:27] <chx> succees
[01:27] <Snake|Sims2> click and try that
[01:27] <chx> yes just found before you said
[01:27] <Snake|Sims2> :)
[01:27] <chx> that's tricky
[01:29] <chx> I am not this dumb usually -- just KDE is largely unknown to me...
[01:30] <Snake|Sims2> hrh
[01:31] <Snake|Sims2> Binary..
[01:32] <chx> I wonder, how many tricky applets are out there...
[01:32] <Snake|Sims2> chx: tons and tons and tons
[01:37] <Teleios> hi #kubuntu
[01:37] <ryanakca> hmmmm.... anyone know why adept-updater wants to remove kubuntu-desktop?
[01:38] <ryanakca> Riddell: Your the maintainer, right?
[01:40] <rysiek|pl> It has to be some sort of sabotage from the Ubuntu guys ;)
[01:40] <Teleios> hah
[01:41] <chx> LOL
[01:42] <rysiek|pl> ok, folks, gonna play some quake and get some sleep ;) cu all later
[01:45] <Kyral> Oy I wish that Usplash wasn't depended on for the -Desktop packages
[01:53] <Kyral> 'cause there is this NICE uPower splash on KDE-Look :P
[01:56] <Snake|Sims2> Kyral: share?
[01:57] <Kyral> Snake|Sims2: gimme a sec
[01:57] <Kyral> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=34634
[01:58] <TheNight> so, is anyone else anxiously awaiting 6.04?
[01:59] <Kyral> I'm using Dapper...
[01:59] <TheNight> and a question.  Isnt the drivers for Broadcom illegal to use?  and if they are then how can they be integrated in dapper
[01:59] <Kyral> I dunno because I'm going to the gym
[02:00] <pradeepto> Does Amarok (in Breezy) run out of the box? Or do I need to install something else?
[02:00] <buntu-tablet> in other distros /dev/serial.conf is used for setserial,  what config file is it in ubuntu?
[02:00] <Snake|Sims2> pradeepto: most runs out of the box
[02:01] <pradeepto> Because right now it doesnot seem to play mp3 files
[02:01] <Kyral> except those lol
[02:01] <Snake|Sims2> !mp3
[02:01] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[02:01] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:01] <Snake|Sims2> ;)
[02:01] <chx> TheNight: as the nvidia 8xxx drivers are only in 6.04 and the 7xxx drivers in  breezy does not support renderaccel on widescreen , I have considered installing the alpha...
[02:01] <pradeepto> heh heh thanks guys, happy realisation for me. :)
[02:10] <Hostile> i need help updtaing my apt-get sources
[02:10] <Hostile> i dont think it pulling anything off the internet since i ran expert setup
[02:10] <Hostile> anyone can help with this?
[02:15] <knovak> what version of KDE does the latest Kubuntu use?
[02:16] <Snake|Sims2> knovak: dapper or breezy?
[02:16] <knovak> breezy
[02:16] <pradeepto> 3.4
[02:16] <Snake|Sims2> knovak: I think 3.4.3 (you can click on "about KDE" in any kde app
[02:16] <knovak> oh
[02:16] <knovak> ok
[02:16] <knovak> thanks to both of you
[02:18] <nuky> is there a way to make firefox my default browseR? i tried setting it in kde compenents and through firefox preferences but no luck with either..
[02:19] <Snake__> nuky: if you figure it out tell me plz
[02:19] <Snake__> :)
[02:20] <nuky> hehe i will..
[02:23] <tryingsomething> is there a better vnc server than the one that comes with kde?
[02:24] <stian> hi, anyone know how about a guide how to install iptables on kubuntu ?
[02:24] <tryingsomething> um
[02:26] <Tm_T> stian: err, you have iptables already ;(
[02:26] <tryingsomething> lol ya
[02:26] <tryingsomething> iptables runs your config
[02:27] <stian> Tm_T I have :| i didnt know that :P i got kubuntu yesterday and a friend try to lern me a lot of stuff.
[02:27] <stian> but he have gentoo
[02:28] <Tm_T> hah
[02:28] <Tm_T> gentooers
[02:28] <stian> =P
[02:28] <Tm_T> they have to control everything and then they wonder why somethings broken
[02:29] <stian> Tm_T: funny you say that, he just say that I have changed hes root password in gentoo, but he was mistaken xD
[02:32] <tryingsomething> is there a lighter wm that i can use with kubuntu?
[02:32] <tryingsomething> strictly i want to do vnc and kde seems to slow it down lots
[02:32] <Tm_T> tryingsomething: yes, tons of them
[02:32] <Snake__> tryingsomething: any wm you want
[02:32] <tryingsomething> but which one would allow me to config all that kde does?
[02:32] <Tm_T> Snake__: yay!
[02:32] <Tm_T> tryingsomething: none
[02:32] <Snake__> tryingsomething: none man
[02:32] <tryingsomething> i want to setup comptuer as a firewall/router lol
[02:32] <Snake__> :)
[02:33] <Snake__> tryingsomething: go flux or cli
[02:33] <Tm_T> tryingsomething: then you don't need any wm
[02:33] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:33] <tryingsomething> but i can only hook up the computer through s-video cuz i dont have any other monitors
[02:33] <Tm_T> Snake__: flux isn't that light
[02:33] <tryingsomething> and resolution really sucks cant do anything
[02:33] <Snake__> Tm_T: its lighter than kde...
[02:33] <Snake__> :)
[02:33] <tryingsomething> so ive tried vnc'ing it - and its still a hassle
[02:34] <tryingsomething> is that on the dvd image?
[02:34] <Hostile> i need to update my source.lst file
[02:34] <Hostile> it only has the cd rom in there wut do i need to do?
[02:35] <Tm_T> bah, I'm off ->
[02:36] <tryingsomething> also how can i set colors to really low?
[02:42] <tryingsomething> only see flex - how do i find flux?
[02:42] <stian> hi, what is the iptables command for removing a ip from the banned list ?
[02:43] <tryingsomething> no idea? did you edit the actual iptables script or you entered it cmd line?
[02:43] <visik7> I know that jdk 1.4 is deprecated on azureus 2.4 but I noticed a very strange behaviour: when azureus is run on jdk1.4 Xorg start to eat memory
[02:44] <stian> tryingsomething: from the commando line
[02:44] <tryingsomething> open another term .... man iptables
[02:45] <tryingsomething> and yes it does exist i just opened it ; )
[02:46] <stian> *start reading*
[02:46] <tryingsomething> lol
[02:56] <jindiaz> hey guys, i need your help with a buying descison here
[02:57] <jindiaz> and plz, ppl who know whut they are talking abt
[02:57] <jindiaz> im going to be buying a new videocard, and i need suggestions with what is going to work sexy with linux
[02:57] <jindiaz> i was looking at the nvidia 6200
[02:58] <Kyral> NVidia always beats ATI with Linux
[02:58] <jindiaz> anyone got any suggestions and why?
[02:58] <Kyral> NVidia has better drivers, 'nuff said
[02:58] <jindiaz> yah, thats whut ive heard so thats why ive kinda choosen nvidia over my usually ati choice
[02:59] <jindiaz> but aside form that, whut abt poerformance, etc etc
[03:00] <jindiaz> and whut make?  the one im looking at is 3dfuzion
[03:02] <spoop> 3dfuzion isn't really a good brand, go for xfx, bfg or evga
[03:02] <tryingsomething> make sure its nvidia
[03:02] <tryingsomething> they dev their cards using linux farms
[03:02] <tryingsomething> what kind of stuff u plan to do with it?
[03:02] <tryingsomething> msi isnt bad either
[03:03] <jindiaz> i dunno if this helps any, but my system is p4 2.8ghz, 1mb cache, 1gb ddr ram, asus p4p800-e deluxe mobo, liquid cooling, enermax 485w silent PSU, already have MSI tv@nywhere master card, and 860 gb hd space.
[03:04] <tryingsomething> well check nvidia 6800's 256mb at least if you plan on gaming
[03:04] <jindiaz> o, lol, well thats the system, hahaha
[03:04] <spoop> 860gb, are you archiving the internet?
[03:04] <tryingsomething> parts of it at a time
[03:05] <spoop> a 6600gt would be good for gaming too
[03:05] <tryingsomething> i archive dvd's dont tell anyone: X
[03:05] <spoop> at 128 mb
[03:05] <jindiaz> hahahahahahaha.... naw, but screw paying for tv man, its all dwnloadable form the net.  and thats not even including my external drives
[03:05] <jindiaz> and no movies on them, that all gets burned
[03:05] <HymnToLife> jindiaz> quit showing off with your system and come to the fats :p
[03:06] <jindiaz> hahaha.  well the thing is, im not going to be doing a tremondous amount of gaming, only rarely, more of a tv, music, and movie kinda guy.
[03:07] <spoop> do you have a 160, 200, and 2 x 250gb drives?
[03:07] <tryingsomething> ok go for middle range then
[03:07] <jindiaz> hmm so for shure 3dfuzion isnt all that good?
[03:07] <nuky> Snake__: hey, are you still around? i changed the settings in the component chooser, for the default browser and it worked.. the reason i thought it didn't was because i tested it with a link someone sent me over Skype, but skype has it's own browser setting.. so maybe the program youre testing from does too.. just a suggestion
[03:07] <spoop> how much are you looking to spend?
[03:07] <Snake__> nuky: im here
[03:07] <jindiaz> hahahahaha spoop, ryght on the money man
[03:07] <spoop> woot, i love math
[03:07] <Snake__> nuky: Hmmm maybe :)
[03:07] <Snake__> thanks man
[03:07] <Snake__> Ill check it out
[03:07] <jindiaz> well, around like 100-150 range
[03:07] <jindiaz> i have really good connections though
[03:08] <jindiaz> so if yu name the card i would ill prolly get a pretty good deal
[03:08] <nuky> Snake__: hope it works.. hehe that was driving me crazy!!the best way i can think of to test it to drag a url from konqueror to the desktop and than click on it on the desktop. that should open firefox
[03:08] <spoop> 6800gs is like $170 after rebate on newegg, that card pwns
[03:09] <spoop> although for not much gaming, it might be overkill
[03:09] <Snake__> nuky: im actually a opera user, so lets hope it goes the same :)
[03:09] <jindiaz> and hymn, the only reason i posted that was if there were compatibility issues, and if the psu was needed for independant power to the card, as that psu has the socket for that concern
[03:09] <jindiaz> yahhhhhhhhhh it sounds alittle over kill
[03:10] <spoop> then just go with a 6600gt 128mb
[03:10] <tryingsomething> ya
[03:10] <jindiaz> ok, let me check some prices on the msi and xfx cards i can get
[03:10] <tryingsomething> your mobo is pci-e or agp?
[03:10] <jindiaz> agp............
[03:10] <jindiaz> sadly
[03:10] <jindiaz> sooooooooooooo sadly
[03:10] <tryingsomething> ya i only have agp
[03:10] <m0nark> any tips on a good bittorrent client that blends in with the kde feeling?
[03:10] <spoop> well both cards i listed are available in agp
[03:11] <tryingsomething> pci-e really is too new to be taking advantage - you see most people with that tech use sli- and that's because they cant take advantage of one slot yet
[03:11] <Snake__> nuky: hey, where did u set the browser in konq?
[03:11] <spoop> i have pci-e because it was the norm when i bought my pc
[03:11] <tryingsomething> dual core cpu's as well - its all too new - its kind of you have it to say you have it - not really supported
[03:12] <jindiaz> ok, ill be back in like 2 mins, let me go see the opffers i can get.  and yah, also i was reading that the 256mb is just a gimmic on lower end cards as the actual card itself does not use the reousrces appropriiatley to utilize the full 256mb
[03:12] <jindiaz> so im going to stick with a good 128
[03:12] <jindiaz> ok one sec, brb
[03:13] <jindiaz> msi fx5200-td128
[03:13] <jindiaz> i can get that card, new, for about 55 bux
[03:13] <nuky> Snake__: in konqueror, type in the url bar: settings:/Components/ then go to Component chooser -> Web broswer -> then choose the second option with the path to your opera in the field and apply.. and try the desktop link thing... *fingers crossed*
[03:13] <spoop> nah, go for the 6600gt
[03:13] <jindiaz> ok, let me check that one out
[03:14] <spoop> its like 10x faster than the fx5200, and it probably has some more features
[03:15] <Snake__> nuky: testing...
[03:16] <Snake__> nuky: meh kind of works, its probly because of the ghetto install I Did
[03:16] <Snake__> aw well
[03:16] <nuky> aww.. sorry..
[03:16] <Snake__> No problem, its probly more my fault, I used klik, which does some weird things to a system
[03:17] <jindiaz> msi nx6600-vtd256 ddr-dvi.  i can get that for about 150
[03:17] <jindiaz> kinda right at the top of my range though
[03:17] <jindiaz> :(
[03:17] <spoop> not a bad price
[03:17] <spoop> hmm
[03:18] <spoop> when you get cheaper than a 6600gt the performance starts to drop off steeply
[03:18] <jindiaz> but the drivers and all, linuxx will work well with this card?
[03:18] <spoop> other than that, i would suggest a 6600 or 6200
[03:18] <spoop> yeah
[03:19] <jindiaz> ok, cause i donmt want to have to go back to windows too get my oc running
[03:19] <spoop> any nvidia card, it doesn't really matter
[03:19] <jindiaz> i HATE windows
[03:19] <dumezil> what the irc command to get a channel list?
[03:19] <jindiaz> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[03:19] <Snake__> nuky: I think I got it to work! :)
[03:19] <Snake__> Bah crap
[03:19] <Snake__> nope :(
[03:20] <jindiaz> as yu can tell, my pc has become my every technological thing box basically
[03:20] <jindiaz> even my alarm clock....
[03:20] <jindiaz> lol
[03:20] <jindiaz> it doesnt turn off anymore
[03:20] <jindiaz> hahaha
[03:20] <Snake__> jindiaz: I bet my alarmclock is better than yours!
[03:20] <spoop> would you want dual dvi
[03:20] <jindiaz> i would have to bet it is as well
[03:20] <jindiaz> lol
[03:20] <jindiaz> yah man
[03:21] <jindiaz> one will, eventually, be hooked up to a 42 inch flatscreen tv
[03:21] <jindiaz> in the summer
[03:21] <jindiaz> soooooooo kinda has to have dual
[03:21] <Snake__> jindiaz: I got a script right now that plays music at night at 40% volume, then at what ever time you want, it shuts itself off, resets the volume to 100%, then wakes you up in the morning :)
[03:21] <pipitas> Snake__: klik doesnt do anything to the *system*... it is the klik-ed application, that may do something to the *home directory* "dot" files. But this is what the application would do any way you'd use or run it, klik or non-klik
[03:21] <jindiaz> cause i have a 19inch lcd with dvi
[03:21] <spoop> xfx makes a dual dvi 6600
[03:22] <as_28>  i install ubuntu and when is loading I get hung when says, Ckecking Battery State
[03:22] <Snake__> pipitas: well it does work...to a extent, it asks what klik app I want to run, then I have to select opera
[03:22] <jindiaz> omg.... snake... WHEREEEEEEEEEE DID YU GET THAT!?
[03:22] <Snake__> jindiaz: hand made
[03:22] <Snake__> jindiaz: I want to re-write it so that you can specifiy the times
[03:22] <Snake__> but im lazy :-/
[03:22] <spoop> don't go for a cheap card that uses some system ram, like a 6200 turbocache
[03:23] <jindiaz> xfx huh.  ok im gogin to go with nvidia for shure then, and xfx, bfg, or msi.... i suppose in that order
[03:23] <jindiaz> just want to get the best bang for my buck
[03:23] <dumezil> anyone know how to set up chinese input in kubuntu?
[03:23] <jindiaz> awww man, snake, yu have to make that dwnloadable or something on sourceforge man
[03:24] <as_28> hello?
[03:24] <Snake__> jindiaz: Its nothing special, and like I said, at the moment, you cant specify the times your want without editing the source
[03:24] <jindiaz> no way, nvida cards use up ram!? ... not liking that idea...
[03:24] <Snake__> jindiaz: It would be easier to set up in kalarm I think
[03:24] <spoop> don't forget evga
[03:25] <spoop> only the ones labeled turbocache, which might only be some versions of the 6200
[03:25] <jindiaz> yahhh, but when the time comes that the code does work like that, there would be a multitude of ppl grateful for your contribution
[03:25] <jindiaz> like me.  :)
[03:25] <jindiaz> haha
[03:26] <jindiaz> cool, yah i came across those evgas, let me run that up here, one sec
[03:26] <Snake__> jindiaz: lol, ill work on it
[03:26] <jindiaz> but they are like where, in the range of names?
[03:26] <spoop> what do you mean
[03:26] <spoop> how good they are?
[03:26] <as_28> anyone can help me
[03:27] <as_28> i have a ATi like nvidia card
[03:27] <as_28> and it hungs
[03:27] <spoop> i should really install linux ;D
[03:27] <spoop> but i hate dual booting
[03:29] <jindiaz> yah i hate dual boot as well, going pure linux after my card and as sooooooooooon as summer hits, its done.  and yah i meant in terms of names, like xfx would be best?  and yes snake, PLZZZZZZZZZ do
[03:29] <jindiaz> no pressure though
[03:29] <jindiaz> hahaha
[03:29] <Snake__> lol
[03:29] <jindiaz> so yo turns out i can get an xfx 6600gt 128 ddr3 for about 180
[03:30] <Snake__> jindiaz: my main problem would be getting the stupid script to run correctly..
[03:30] <spoop> xfx or evga would be best, evga are american and xfx are taiwanese
[03:30] <spoop> have you looked into the plain 6600?
[03:31] <Snake__> Do we have any bash scriptors in here that can help me out?
[03:36] <jindiaz> yah the evgas were friggin expensive for lower end, like around the 5500 range...  :(  and noo, whut i get is kinda depoendant on my sources, which give the best price, for quality around.  i dont go to futureshop and stuff
[03:36] <jindiaz> they just plain suck
[03:36] <jindiaz> hahahaha
[03:36] <jindiaz> sorry snake man, cant help you out with that
[03:37] <Snake__> lol
[03:37] <jindiaz> WISH i could... but i was not gifted with that sort of thought process ability at birth
[03:37] <jindiaz> lol
[03:38] <jindiaz> the crap part is the saphire cards are flooding the market here
[03:38] <jindiaz> unless for some reaosn i should go with one of those?
[03:38] <jindiaz> cause those i can get mad cheap and pretty high end
[03:39] <jindiaz> but im assuming, same ati problem
[03:39] <jindiaz> im upgrading from an ati radeon 7500 with dual support
[03:39] <jindiaz> it is so ancient the collected dust on there is equivalent to egyptian tombs i swear
[03:40] <jindiaz> so i figure its abt time to kcik that one out and put in my biznatch pc
[03:40] <jindiaz> which is the downgrade pc
[03:40] <spoop> what can you get a plain 6600 for?
[03:44] <tryingsomething> anyone know can m0n0wall be run under ubuntu?
[03:45] <jindiaz> ummmm let me check it out.
[03:45] <xtacocorex> is there a way to upgrade packages with ones i made with checkinstall?
[03:46] <xtacocorex> if i try to remove the previous versions, it wants to break my syste
[03:46] <Kr4t05> xtacocorex: When you "sudo checkinstall" the package is made and installed automatically.
[03:46] <xtacocorex> it gives an error saying that it can't overwrite
[03:46] <Kr4t05> xtacocorex: What package?
[03:47] <xtacocorex> Kr4t05: i'm upgrading gphoto2 so i can get it to find my iriver
[03:47] <Kr4t05> xtacocorex: I don't know then.
[03:47] <xtacocorex> Kr4t05: i just build libgphoto2
[03:47] <Kr4t05> xtacocorex: Perhaps someone in the forums knows.
[03:47] <Kr4t05> xtacocorex: Sorry
[03:47] <xtacocorex> Kr4t05: it's all good, thanks for the help
[03:48] <Snake__> jindiaz: alright. Ill make it
[03:49] <Snake__> give me a few days
[03:49] <HymnToLife> xtacocorex> try sudo apt-get buit-dep libgphoto2
[03:49] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: build instead of buit?
[03:49] <HymnToLife> yeah, sorry :)
[03:50] <xtacocorex> it wants to upgrade dependencies
[03:50] <HymnToLife> yeah
[03:50] <HymnToLife> it will install all the packages you need to build your thing
[03:50] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: i already built it though, it just won't install
[03:51] <HymnToLife> ow
[03:51] <HymnToLife> hmmm try it still
[03:51] <HymnToLife> you're certainly missing something
[03:51] <jindiaz> yah crap i cant man, the only thing is an asus make of the 6200, that one is 85 bux
[03:52] <jindiaz> and snake
[03:52] <jindiaz> yu rule man
[03:52] <Snake__> ha
[03:52] <Snake__> its gonna take me a while
[03:52] <jindiaz> yu will be the single handed saviour of ppl who have issues getting up in the moring
[03:52] <jindiaz> like me
[03:52] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: it's saying that it can't overwrite a file because it's in the package i'm trying to install
[03:52] <jindiaz> and MANY others im sure
[03:52] <Snake__> lol
[03:52] <HymnToLife> xtacocorex> have you tried uninstaling that other package ?
[03:52] <jindiaz> yah no worries, take your time man, much appreciated though for shure
[03:53] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: it wants to remove a bunch of stuff
[03:53] <HymnToLife> owisn't the package you're trying to install a newer version for some other you have already ?
[03:53] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: yes
[03:53] <HymnToLife> well
[03:53] <HymnToLife> it obviously has a different name
[03:54] <HymnToLife> you can change it, don't remember jow
[03:54] <HymnToLife> I did it long ago
[03:54] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: that could be it
[03:54] <HymnToLife> it involves uncompressing the package with dpkg, editing a file nd rebuilding it
[03:55] <xtacocorex> back to building the .deb again, i think for libgphoto2 its called libgphoto2-2
[03:55] <HymnToLife> yes
[03:55] <HymnToLife> but you won't need to rebuild it all
[03:55] <HymnToLife> just uncompress it with dpkg
[03:55] <HymnToLife> edit the file where the name is set and recompress it
[03:56] <HymnToLife> I had the same problem for a stupid VLC package named 'videolan-client' that wouldn't install
[03:56] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: ah
[03:56] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: i just need to make sure the packages are the same name and it should overwrite them?
[03:56] <HymnToLife> yes
[03:56] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: nice, thanks for the help
[03:57] <HymnToLife> it will see it as a newer rsion - which is how it should see it
[03:57] <xtacocorex> HymnToLife: awesome
[03:57] <HymnToLife> atm it sees it as another package trying to overwrite a file already used
[04:00] <jindiaz> omg, one hugeeeeeeeeeee question i forgot to ask, how is linux and dual monitor display?
[04:01] <jindiaz> ive never tried it out
[04:01] <jindiaz> and the issue is one of my monitors is 19inch widescreen, and the other 17inch normal crt
[04:04] <jindiaz> ermmm anyone??
[04:04] <Chani> I know it's possible
[04:04] <Chani> never had the chance to try it
[04:04] <Chani> probably just a matter of having the right x settings
[04:04] <jindiaz> hmmmm... this is huge in the which video ard to buy debate
[04:04] <kalenedrael> Dual-display is easy.
[04:05] <jindiaz> well i guess it dont matter, they are all dual now anyways
[04:05] <jindiaz> really?
[04:05] <kalenedrael> Yes.
[04:05] <jindiaz> cause im planning on gogin with something in the range of nvidia 6200 - 6600
[04:05] <jindiaz> 6600gt looks like the one im getting
[04:05] <jindiaz> although 180 is kinda expensive
[04:06] <jindiaz> ok so anyways, with one widescreen lcd, and one 17inch crt, it should be ok?
[04:07] <jindiaz> ok as in... very little complications with relatively newb to linux
[04:07] <jindiaz> well when it comes to configuring things and stuff like that
[04:11] <dumezil> how do i add something so when i log in, it runs...  running kde
[04:12] <spoop> gd agp cards are expansive
[04:12] <spoop> expensive*
[04:16] <jindiaz> ya i knoe, im alittle flexible on the budget
[04:17] <jindiaz> sorta has to be my card for awhile, till i revamp the mobo and consequently vid card again, for pci standard
[04:18] <jindiaz> i have to admit though, this ati radeon 7500 has been an excellent card, and even being pout through the paces perfoms steady and well
[04:18] <Snake__> jindiaz: your still on that videocard/?
[04:18] <jindiaz> EXCEPT for the new drivers, whcih totally mess it up....  the ones that came with it, on cd, are whut it needs
[04:19] <jindiaz> naw, was just talking abt the price alittle, was woried abt dual monitor support on linuz where one was 19inch widescreen lcd, and the other standrd 17 crt
[04:20] <m0nark> I've run into some trouble getting a 19" lcd and a 15" lcd to work together on a agp adapter. From what I can find on google this is hard to do if you want different resolutions on the monitors, and opengl rendering
[04:21] <m0nark> ati*
[04:21] <jindiaz> crapppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[04:21] <jindiaz> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[04:21] <jindiaz> that SUXXXXXXXXx
[04:21] <jindiaz> haha
[04:21] <jindiaz> crap though
[04:21] <jindiaz> but ati card?  which one?
[04:21] <jindiaz> im going to nvidia in hopes to avoid any video card issues
[04:21] <m0nark> that's a good question :P it's a 9700 or something I think
[04:22] <m0nark> a couple of years old
[04:22] <m0nark> but it's a ati driver issue
[04:22] <jindiaz> styll, its not bad though.
[04:22] <jindiaz> oooo
[04:22] <jindiaz> that may be the problemo
[04:22] <jindiaz> but honestly, dont ask me
[04:22] <jindiaz> hahah
[04:22] <jindiaz> i just assume things
[04:22] <jindiaz> lol
[04:23] <m0nark> me neither, I'm noobish on that stuff :) just googling around
[04:23] <jindiaz> hahaha yes brotha.. same here
[04:23] <jindiaz> but i swear, there needs to be THE linux repository on information
[04:23] <jindiaz> not all this individual stuff
[04:24] <m0nark> the (k)ubuntu forums are great
[04:24] <jindiaz> i mean yah shure its cool to do that, but centralize the tech supposrt, so a matter of clicks and your there at the answer yu need
[04:24] <jindiaz> yahhhhhhhhh i dunno,m the kubuntu one kinda sux
[04:24] <jindiaz> its taking forever to get a reply on my question
[04:25] <jindiaz> no one seems to know the answer
[04:25] <jindiaz> i guess
[04:25] <m0nark> hehe, that's when google comes in handy, but I get your point
[04:25] <m0nark> would be nice to log into ultimatelinuxhowtoarchive.org and find everything
[04:26] <m0nark> there are plenty of those sites, but a lot of outdated stuff
[04:26] <jindiaz> exactlyyyyy, thats whut im saying.  just have a list of the distros, click thru there and find everything yu need, continuously updated
[04:26] <jindiaz> yah see thats the thing
[04:26] <jindiaz> with one place, its easy to keep everything up to date
[04:27] <jindiaz> with many, it hard cause everyone is trying to update the site and find out whuts new, blah blah, its ineffecient basicallyt
[04:27] <jindiaz> well enough of that rant
[04:27] <jindiaz> lol
[04:27] <m0nark> :)
[04:27] <jindiaz> hmmm.... maybe ill create that site someday
[04:28] <jindiaz> somehow...
[04:28] <jindiaz> lol
[04:28] <m0nark> sounds time consuming :p
[04:29] <jindiaz> yahhh... but owrht it... with that linux has muchhhhh more potential.   anyways, im off, going to pickl up that card sometime this week.  lates all, thanks for the help.  and snake man, if yu see me back on here and that alarm is done... i am conscribing yu to give me the heads up... lol.
[04:29] <Snake__> lol arlight
[04:29] <Snake__> cya
[04:30] <m0nark> hmm, I'm trying to find a nice little ide a friend of my used some time ago.. Has svn support, and syntax highlighting for HTML::Mason and looks quite nice
[04:31] <m0nark> anyone know which one I'm talking about? :)
[04:43] <Captainbraille> How do I enable read permissions on /cdrom and /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd ?
[04:44] <phishinph> hi all.. lookin for a little help w/ my intel 2200 wireless on breezy.  It recognizes it but no ip is given.  I turned off wep and enable ssid broadcast but no luck.. any ideas?
[04:44] <unperson> I'm having trouble adding the plf repository to my sources.list.
[04:45] <unperson> That is, I added the line to my sources.list, but when I attempt to install packages from it, they aren't found.
[04:45] <E-Train> my amarok just closes and dosent open when i run it. anyone else run into the problem
[04:47] <unperson> The line I added to sources.list was "deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free".
[04:53] <Captainbraille> How do I enable read permissions on /cdrom and /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd ?
[05:07] <Kyral> Note to self
[05:07] <Kyral> Killing kwin is a BAD idea
[05:08] <NeoChaosX> Heh
[05:08] <NeoChaosX> You'd think that'd be obvious, though...
[05:08] <Kyral> yah yah
[05:09] <Kyral> I thought it was like GNOME-Panel
[05:09] <Kyral> kill it and it comes back :D
[05:09] <NeoChaosX> Or Nautilus, for that matter
[05:09] <Kyral> yah
[05:09] <NeoChaosX> But yeah, wish KDE could do that with kicker and kwin
[05:10] <Kyral> Sysinfo for 'AzureDream': Linux 2.6.15-17-k7 running KDE 3.5.1, CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2700+ at 2166 MHz (4335 bogomips), HD: 298/432GB, RAM: 367/503MB, 98 proc's, 7.12h up
[05:10] <Kyral> does anyone know of a Konversation script to annoucne whats playing on AmaroK?
[05:11] <NeoChaosX> It's the /media command
[05:11] <NeoChaosX> Like so:
[05:11] <Kyral> nm I found that :P
[05:11] <Kyral> ooooo
[05:11] <Kyral> Where did you get that
[05:12] <Kyral> Qt: 3.3.5
[05:12] <Kyral> KDE: 3.5.1
[05:12] <Kyral> kde-config: 1.0
[05:12] <Kyral> Beer load [    \                ]  20%
[05:12] <Kyral> lol
[05:12] <NeoChaosX> it's built in into Konversation
[05:12] <NeoChaosX> like I said, just type in /media
[05:12] <NeoChaosX> it also works for Kaffeine and JuK, I believe
[05:13] <Kyral> "Weather"?
[05:13] <Kyral> excuse me for a second
[05:13] <NeoChaosX> Heh
[05:13] <NeoChaosX> Sure thing
[05:13] <Kyral> it no work...
[05:13] <Kyral> Random Fortune: Besides, its really not worthwhile to use more than two times your physical  ram in swap (except in a select few situations). The performance of the system  becomes so abysmal you'd rather heat pins under your toenails while reciting  Windows95 source code and staring at porn flicks of Bob Dole than actually try  to type something. 	-- seen on c.o.l.development.system, about the size of the swap space
[05:14] <Kyral> haha, nice, a fortune command!
[05:14] <NeoChaosX> heh, yeah
[05:14] <NeoChaosX> yeah, I love Skies
[05:14] <Kyral> Where didja get the song?
[05:15] <NeoChaosX> www.ocremix.org
[05:15] <NeoChaosX> It's a remix of the theme in Horteka, it's really good
[05:16] <NeoChaosX> The site itself has a whole ton of VG remixes. you've never been there before?
[05:16] <Arcanimus> night all
[05:18] <nuky> is there a terminal based chat program for kubuntu at all?
[05:19] <Celeste> how can I make the CD-Rom Icon on the desktop  disappear please?
[05:19] <Celeste> it always show up by mounting the CD-Rom Drive
[05:20] <nuky> right clikc on the desktop and go to configure desktop..
[05:20] <Kyral> NeoChaosX: Holy cow thanks for the Link
[05:20] <Celeste> thank you nuky found it
[05:21] <nuky> cool.. sorry, wasn't sure where the rest of it was..
[05:23] <bushito> !mp3
[05:23] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:23] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[05:23] <NeoChaosX> Kyral: No problem
[05:34] <kameron> just about to install flight 4 kubuntu.. how is it folks?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> kameron: it's very nice :)
[05:34] <kameron> Hobbsee, can't wait :D
[05:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:35] <Hobbsee> what in particular did you want to know?
[05:35] <kameron> meh, just your general impression.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> it's nice - and it's dapper
[05:35] <kameron> :)
[05:35] <kameron> im installing dapper, arch, freebsd, mandriva, and slack this weekend.
[05:36] <kameron> just so i can keep up with conversation from folks of other distros. i've already covered the other major ones.. so now i should try these. i can't see myself leaving kubuntu though, no interest in that.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> hehe fair enough
[05:36] <Hobbsee> no suse?
[05:37] <kameron> been there, done that.
[05:37] <kameron> i bashed gentoo users for years, until i tried it. then i had a proper understandin of things, and could insult them properly.
[05:39] <kameron> and i've been away from mandriva since like 9.0.. it used to be my bread and butter, i want to see how it's doing.
[05:40] <kameron> Kyral, i want to hear that song. what exactly do i do? i used to be a huge super metroid fan.
[05:42] <Kyral> The link is in the Media
[05:42] <Kyral> just go download it
[05:42] <Kyral> it's awesome
[05:43] <kameron> just found it Kyral, d/l'ing now
[05:44] <Kyral> hmm
[05:44] <Kyral> why is Kontact misbaving?
[05:47] <Kyral> I honestly cried during this scene in Mega Man X the first time
[05:48] <m> can anyone help me setup azureus, it loads too slow and full of errors
[05:48] <Kyral> Gah
[05:48] <Kyral> Kontact no worky suddenly
[05:55] <kameron> m, do you have java installed?
[05:57] <Kyral> who me?
[05:57] <kameron> no, m.
[06:00] <Nomad411> Does anyone know if the repo for 3.5.1 is down?
[06:01] <m> yes I do sorry I followed the Wiki
[06:01] <Kyral> Qt: 3.3.5
[06:01] <Kyral> KDE: 3.5.1
[06:01] <Kyral> kde-config: 1.0
[06:01] <Kyral> uhh
[06:01] <Kyral> looks like no...but I got this from Dapper
[06:01] <frank23> Nomad411: I think that repo is working
[06:02] <kameron> m, azureus doesn't run well on anything but the official sun java jre. what did you install.. java by sun, or blackdown, or?..
[06:02] <Nomad411> frank23: thanks.. I just saw that I had other sites bookmarked, trying with a different one now :)
[06:03] <Nomad411> nope, same problem resolving.. Can teh repos have changed recently?
[06:03] <m> java by sun
[06:03] <Nomad411> could someone paste me the line they use for teh 3.5.1 repo?
[06:04] <Nomad411> ohh got one. :)
[06:04] <_stian> how to i get akregator to desktop background in kde ?
[06:07] <kameron> m, did you select it to be used as your default java?
[06:08] <m> yes, when I run azureus I get a problem with StartServer.java
[06:08] <m> I used update-alternatives to change it
[06:09] <frank23> m try  java -version   gives Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05
[06:09] <frank23> ?
[06:09] <kameron> m, did you do this? sudo update-alternatives --config java
[06:10] <kameron> ah, okay, you did m. gotcha.
[06:10] <koll2786> DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0
[06:11] <kameron> i'm trying out amarok for the first time, it's way tooo complex.
[06:12] <frank23> kameron: that's exactly what I thought the first time I tried it
[06:12] <frank23> It's pretty good though
[06:12] <kameron> it's too much for just playing music. and this bubble pops up telling me what song is playing, right after i double click it, very annoying.
[06:13] <kameron> but it's extremely cool how it displays band info from wikipedia, has album pictures, etc. that's very impressive.
[06:13] <bzbb> does the moodbar work?
[06:13] <bzbb> its not doing anything
[06:14] <frank23> kameron: it can even get song lyrics though ;)  It's bad on RAM.
[06:15] <kameron> RAM frank23 ?
[06:15] <kameron> frank23, just disabled the on screen display popup BS.. should be a lot nicer now.
[06:15] <robotgeek> kameron: if we are talking about amarok, that can be disabled
[06:15] <frank23> it uses lots of ram
[06:15] <robotgeek> nvm
[06:16] <kameron> frank23, oh... i thoght you said for a second "it's based on ram"... my eyes aren't straight tonight.
[06:16] <frank23> lol
[06:17] <kameron> holy crap, it ties with k3b so nicely.
[06:17] <kameron> wow.
[06:17] <kameron> frank23, do you know where it gets lyrics from?
[06:18] <maenty> hi, all
[06:18] <maenty> does anyone know how to get mounted hard drives back to "media"
[06:18] <maenty> the icons from desktop disappeared and also when I click "storage media", it's empty
[06:19] <maenty> makes browsing of files pretty difficult
[06:19] <kameron> maenty, sudo mount /dev/hdxx /media/hdxx
[06:19] <frank23> kameron: no
[06:19] <maenty> kameron: no, all drives are mounted. The problem is that they don't show up in media:/
[06:20] <kameron> maenty, where are they mounted?
[06:20] <maenty> well, in media I used to have 2 drives, other was the ext3-root and other is my FAT32-partition which I have mounted to /mnt/storage
[06:21] <maenty> and there might have been also DVD-drive.. not sure
[06:21] <maenty> However, all of them have disappeared
[06:21] <kameron> i don't understand the problem.
[06:21] <kameron> maenty, type 'mount' without any options.
[06:21] <maenty> this happened after I did update/upgrade
[06:22] <maenty> kameron: everything seems to be there, when I type mount
[06:22] <frank23> maenty: I only have my floppy in media:/  I don't know when it happened though
[06:22] <kameron> maenty, where is it all at? paste the output of 'mount' at
[06:22] <kameron> !pastew
[06:22] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, kameron
[06:22] <kameron> !paste
[06:22] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[06:23] <frank23> maenty: maybe it was the upgrade to kde 3.5? what kde do you have?
[06:23] <maenty> no it wasn't, 3.4.3
[06:23] <maenty> it seems upgrade didn't update KDE
[06:23] <maenty> Although, I don't know which version comes default with Breeze
[06:24] <frank23> maenty: 3.4.3 comes with breezy. I replaced it with 3.5.1
[06:24] <Kyral> Night KDE-type folks
[06:25] <maenty> kameron: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9807
[06:27] <Misterslurpey> any one can help noob
[06:27] <kameron> Misterslurpey, just ask a question
[06:27] <Misterslurpey> um
[06:27] <Misterslurpey> do you know gaim?
[06:27] <Misterslurpey> the program
[06:27] <Misterslurpey> i got a plugin i dunt know where or how to install it
[06:27] <Misterslurpey> its for xfire
[06:28] <kameron> Misterslurpey, just ask a question about gaim, don't ask us if we know what it is. and, considering gaim is an ubuntu thing, you're better off asking in #ubuntu
[06:28] <Misterslurpey> :(
[06:28] <Misterslurpey> i just want to know how to install things
[06:28] <Misterslurpey> and the file directories
[06:29] <Misterslurpey>    :(
[06:29] <kameron> Misterslurpey, what is the plugin called?
[06:30] <Misterslurpey> gaim-xifre.tar-1.gz
[06:30] <Hobbsee> how do you compile a .cpp file on linux?
[06:31] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: g++
[06:31] <kameron> Hobbsee, g++ perhaps?
[06:31] <Snake|Sleep> Thats it im sick of it, someone help me speedup my boot plzzz
[06:31] <narg> And thrice it has been said: g++ :)
[06:31] <kameron> Misterslurpey, tar -xvf gaim-xfire.tar-1.gz
[06:31] <Hobbsee> hehe right
[06:31] <Snake__> Come one I got a 5 min boot time, someone help me out
[06:32] <kameron> Misterslurpey, ah, i mean.. gunzip gaim-xfire.tar-1.gz
[06:32] <robotgeek> Snake__: cpu?
[06:32] <narg> Snake__: Whats lagging it?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[06:32] <Snake__> robotgeek: 800 mhz P3. and it seems to be "Bring up network interfaces"
[06:33] <glick> excuse me
[06:33] <narg> Snake__: What kinda network interface do you have?
[06:33] <robotgeek> Snake__: /etc/network/interfaces, auto eth0/eth1 might be the culprit
[06:33] <robotgeek> Snake__: don't shut down, lol
[06:33] <glick> how come when i try to get my mail from kmail, it says could not start process pop3s
[06:33] <glick> ?
[06:33] <Snake__> robotgeek: have to when I bring to and from school
[06:33] <Snake__> and in school
[06:33] <Snake__> narg: I use wlan0 at home, and eth0 at school
[06:34] <narg> Snake__: ... Physically I mean.
[06:34] <robotgeek> glick: you need to have some kde package installed, moment
[06:34] <narg> I take its ethernet and wireless modem though?
[06:34] <Snake__> narg: wlan0 is wireless G, eth0 is wired ethernet
[06:34] <narg> I'd assume it doesn't like your wireless card, and its erroring trying to get it to start
[06:35] <robotgeek> glick: kdebase-kio-plugins
[06:35] <narg> ethernet isn't usually the problem
[06:35] <Snake__> narg: but it eventually suceedes. it just takes FOREVER
[06:36] <narg> hrm
[06:37] <maenty> where can I change the color of the borders?
[06:37] <maenty> I installed a theme, then changed to another theme but borders stays red
[06:37] <narg> Snake__: I really don't know much about wireless stuff, I avoid it like the plague.
[06:37] <Snake__> :-/
[06:37] <narg> maenty: kcontrol -> look and feel -> window decorations.
[06:38] <narg> appearances not look and feel.
[06:38] <maenty> narg: it seems window decorations dont' help
[06:38] <maenty> narg: all of the choices there, except one, have suddenly red coloured border
[06:38] <narg> err
[06:38] <narg> that is odd
[06:38] <Snake__> robotgeek: think if i take "auto wlan0" out it will help?
[06:38] <maenty> only if I choose "Keramik" that one does not have red borders
[06:39] <narg> maenty: is the colors tab set wierd?
[06:39] <robotgeek> Snake__: that will not bring up wireless at boot
[06:39] <Snake__> robotgeek: so i just ifup right?
[06:39] <robotgeek> Snake__: yeah, bring it up manually
[06:39] <maenty> narg: that was it, thakns
[06:40] <Snake__> alright
[06:40] <Snake__> let me restart
[06:40] <Snake__> see if it helped
[06:40] <narg> maenty: no problem. But now I need to go to bed. Reading irc will make me stay up for ages if I'm not carefull :p
[06:40] <maenty> narg: I just woke up
[06:40] <narg> maenty: Pft, I have school is 7 hours :p
[06:40] <narg> in*
[06:41] <maenty> narg: I have in 20 minutes :)
[06:41] <greg> hey, would anyone know why azureus isnt creating/accepting any connections on a fresh installation of kubuntu?
[06:41] <narg> maenty: Don't envy you then.
[06:42] <frank23> maenty: If you want gtk and kde apps to look similar, you can use Keramik as kde style and Geramik as gtk style
[06:42] <narg> frank23: The gtk-engine-qt works too.
[06:42] <narg> And now the moniter goes off! Night.
[06:43] <maenty> frank23: where can i select the gtk style?
[06:43] <frank23> narg: Don't have to specify a style for that engine?
[06:45] <frank23> maenty: System settings->Apperance gtk styles and fonts
[06:45] <frank23> and you need gtk2-engines-geramik installed
[06:46] <maenty> it seems GTK styles and fonts does not open
[06:46] <maenty> it tries to load it for a while but then it just closes
[06:47] <frank23> maenty: that's starnge....
[06:47] <maenty> Not my first strange experience with Linux
[06:47] <maenty> since I installed it on sunday, I've had disappearing things etc mysterious
[06:48] <maenty> in general, I can't do almost anything with it currently :(
[06:48] <maenty> well, I got the Firefox installed at least
[06:48] <frank23> maenty: it takes a while to learn
[06:48] <frank23> !easyubuntu
[06:48] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[06:49] <maenty> does that work with amd64?
[06:49] <frank23> maenty: that can install useful things for you. I think it can but probably not everything
[06:50] <frank23> maenty: You're bound to have more problems with AMD64 than i386
[06:50] <maenty> yap
[06:50] <maenty> is there any way to add icons to desktop?
[06:50] <frank23> you know you still can install the i386 version right?
[06:50] <robotgeek> maenty: it works, as such.
[06:51] <maenty> or even icons to the space beside K.. I'd like to make a shortcut manually to file browser that would open /mnt/storage
[06:51] <maenty> because now It's so troublesome to go browsing files, I have to open the konqueror which then opens media:/ (which is empty), then I have to manually go to /mnt/storage
[06:53] <maenty> I remember that Konqueror used to be much better program in 2002 when I used RedHat for a while
[06:53] <frank23> maenty: what I did was drag a folder from the desktop to besides the K to create the shortcut
[06:53] <glick> excuse me im trying to send an encrypted message to myself but when i get the message it says decryption not possible error: Bad passphrase
[06:55] <frank23> maenty: konqueror can be configured differently. I think ubuntu decided to disable some options in it too. Not too sure about that one though
[06:56] <Snake__> robotgeek: much much better
[06:56] <Snake__> thank you
[06:56] <robotgeek> Snake__: cool
[06:56] <Snake__> im down to 1:30 seconds (without KDE load)
[06:56] <Snake__> KDE takes about a min
[06:57] <Snake__> which is 100% acceptable
[06:57] <glick> excuse me what do i need to install to get gpg working correctly with kmail?
[06:57] <glick> i have kgpg
[06:57] <glick> but for some reason its not decrypting it correctly
[06:57] <robotgeek> glick: that's about all i had to install, do you have your .gnupg directory
[06:58] <glick> robotgeek, yeah
[06:58] <robotgeek> !gpg
[06:58] <ubotu> I guess gpg is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto or http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[06:58] <glick> dude i know how to use gpg
[06:58] <glick> just kmail isnt decrypting it right
[06:59] <robotgeek> glick: hmm, it works for me. recheck password ;)
[06:59] <glick> robotgeek, it never asks me for a password
[06:59] <robotgeek> glick: wth?
[07:00] <Snake__> lol
[07:04] <hoobustink> yoh
[07:04] <hoobustink> how do i disable sounds of kwifimanager?
[07:05] <hoobustink> i cant play a sound cuz the kwifimanager stinging sound is irritating
[07:05] <frank23> it makes sounds? I never noticed
[07:05] <hoobustink> yes
[07:05] <frank23> when?
[07:05] <Snake__> frank23: me neither
[07:05] <Snake__> lol
[07:06] <hoobustink> as soon as im connected
[07:06] <Snake|Sleep> hoobustink: dont use it? :)
[07:06] <hoobustink> as soon as im connected to my access point it creates an irritating beep
[07:06] <frank23> just one?
[07:06] <hoobustink> Snake|Sleep:  hahaah no.ill use it but disable the audio it created but i dont know how
[07:07] <hoobustink> not one but endless beep
[07:07] <Snake|Sleep> hoobustink: is "acoustic scanning" checked?
[07:07] <Snake|Sleep> hoobustink: that makes a beep beep beep
[07:07] <hoobustink> yes naka X sya
[07:07] <hoobustink> oopss yes it's checked
[07:07] <hoobustink> or X'ed
[07:07] <Snake|Sleep> hoobustink: un check it
[07:07] <Snake|Sleep> ;)
[07:07] <frank23> yeah its acoustic scanning
[07:08] <frank23> pretty funny
[07:08] <hoobustink> ok finally i got it
[07:08] <hoobustink> heheheh
[07:08] <hoobustink> damn accoustic
[07:08] <hoobustink> thank you so much gurus
[07:08] <Snake|Sleep> I'm listening to: Hot Action Cop - Busted (1:51 / 4:47)
[07:08] <Snake|Sleep> yep
[07:08] <Snake|Sleep> :)
[07:09] <Snake|Sleep> god that would kill me
[07:09] <glick> am i missing something?
[07:11] <hoobustink> why is kubuntu so cute?
[07:11] <hoobustink> :)
[07:11] <Snake|Sleep> hoobustink: how long did you put up with that??
[07:11] <hoobustink> what do you mean Snake|Sleep ?
[07:11] <hoobustink> i have installed this the other night
[07:11] <Snake|Sleep> hoobustink: the f*in beeping
[07:12] <hoobustink> i was installing using server and then apt-get kubuntu
[07:12] <hoobustink> oh
[07:12] <hoobustink> solve now when unchecking the Accoustic Scanning
[07:12] <Snake|Sleep> I would have gone CLI 3 minutes into listening to that beeping
[07:12] <Snake|Sleep> lol
[07:13] <Snake|Sleep> hoobustink: I bet this beep could drive someone crazy :)
[07:13] <hoobustink> btw
[07:13] <hoobustink> where can i load my iptables script during boot?
[07:13] <Snake|Sleep> It should be loaded
[07:13] <Snake|Sleep> This aint gentoo
[07:13] <Snake|Sleep> :D
[07:14] <hoobustink> Snake|Sleep:  at first when i heared that beep.i thought my laptop has reached its dying service
[07:14] <Snake|Sleep> ha! lol
[07:14] <hoobustink> Snake|Sleep: no im making my own iptables script
[07:14] <Snake|Sleep> ahhh
[07:14] <Snake|Sleep> hmm
[07:14] <hoobustink> now i need to overwrite the default loaded iptables by kubuntu or ubuntu
[07:14] <Snake|Sleep> Yea not sure. :(
[07:14] <Snake|Sleep> But what I do know is i gotta get to bed
[07:15] <Snake|Sleep> school in 5 hours
[07:15] <Snake|Sleep> lol
[07:15] <Snake|Sleep> night
[07:15] <hoobustink> heheh
[07:15] <hoobustink> 2:30pm here
[07:15] <Snake|Sleep> might wanna recheck your cock
[07:15] <hoobustink> if i place this in /etc/rc*
[07:15] <Snake|Sleep> its 2:15 ;)
[07:15] <frank23> its 1h30am here
[07:15] <Snake|Sleep> night
[07:15] <hoobustink> i cant be sure if it will be loaded
[07:15] <frank23> its 1h15
[07:15] <Snake|Sleep> Oh wait
[07:15] <Snake|Sleep> wtf
[07:15] <hoobustink> im in philippines time is 2:31pm
[07:16] <frank23> are you guys 15 minutes off?
[07:16] <Snake|Sleep> hoobustink: thats impossible
[07:16] <Snake|Sleep> how can you be 15 mins faster than the rest of the world
[07:16] <frank23> I knew 30 minutes off exists but not 15...
[07:17] <hoobustink> date and time here is march 7 2006 2:32pm
[07:17] <Snake|Sleep> o.o
[07:17] <Snake|Sleep> oops
[07:17] <hoobustink> i know bechinique  is from philippines
[07:17] <hoobustink> hehehe
[07:17] <Snake|Sleep> [01:17]  |&| zelazny.freenode.net Tuesday March 7 2006 -- 06:17:46 +00:00
[07:18] <Snake|Sleep> hoobustink: type in /date and tell me what it says
[07:18] <Snake|Sleep> wait
[07:18] <Snake|Sleep> never mind
[07:18] <Snake|Sleep> your not on irssi
[07:18] <Snake|Sleep> :(
[07:18] <Snake|Sleep> I just dont believe that
[07:19] <Snake|Sleep> night lol
[07:19] <frank23> hoobustink: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=145
[07:19] <frank23> Tuesday, March 7, 2006 at 2:18:53 PM
[07:21] <hoobustink> frank23:  i got that time
[07:21] <hoobustink> oh i manually set my timer cuz using ntp might not work cuz there are time this laptop dont have internet connection
[07:22] <frank23> good night
[07:23] <runelind> trying to boot an old kubuntu install and it says Inodes that were part of a corrupted orphan linked list found
[07:23] <runelind> and it wants me to fsck manually
[07:24] <runelind> but when I try to fsck / it tells me that running it on an ext2 filesystem can cause severe damage
[07:24] <runelind> what should I do?
[07:55] <Mez> Hobbsee, what were you coding ?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Mez: just some C++ stuff for uni :)
[09:00] <Steil> Has anyone here tried out the amarok 1.4 beta?
[09:18] <simian> morning
[09:24] <m0ns00n> Morning
[09:44] <ana> i've got a problem connecting to the internet in kubuntu dapper. it's very strange as one time it connects and works fine and if i restart the computer it doesn't and seems the network is disabled and i can't enable it. but if i reboot again it works again. and this happens on a regular basis
[09:46] <ana> anybody got any idea about this?
[09:47] <maenty_> is anyone using DosBox in Kubuntu?
[09:47] <maenty_> My question is: Where is the dosbox.conf-file?
[10:00] <Tonio_> hi
[10:00] <allee> ana: installled last night dapper. Same problem.  sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0  fixed it. No time to look at it yet, but this faster than a reboot ;)
[10:00] <allee> hi Tonio_
[10:01] <Tonio_> fine allee ?
[10:02] <allee> Tonio_: very sleepy.  I hope to fix this in the next hours :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> allee: lol
[10:42] <bobble> Hi, How can I add more packages to Adept, so that it increases from ~4000 to ~17000?
[10:44] <visik7> bobble: enable universe and multiverse
[10:45] <bobble> visik7: from where? I'm new to this flavour Linux...
[10:46] <visik7> adept-> manage repositories
[10:46] <bobble> Thanks visik7
[10:47] <visik7> np
[12:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !ssh
[12:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[12:06] <stulle> test
[12:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[12:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody can help me with ssh?
[12:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can login with only my ftp secondary user
[12:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but not with my root one...
[12:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it says the password is wrong
[12:11] <sas171> hi, I want to edit a pdf file. Is it possible to do with open office or should i download some special software?
[12:11] <_JuDgEn_> Can i edit the repository sources from breezy to drapper and use the "sudo apt-get upgrade" function without breaking the system?
[12:12] <_JuDgEn_> sas171 youare not supposed to edit pdf files, thats why the format exists, you are supposed to edit the source file instead and render a new pdf
[12:12] <sas171> _JuDgEn_: oh, thanks
[12:13] <sas171> _JuDgEn_: it worked for me as i updated to breezy
[12:13] <_JuDgEn_> you can always export the content to a text file though, and print with a pdf writer to a new pdf
[12:13] <_JuDgEn_> though the fancy visual layout is lost
[12:14] <sas171> _JuDgEn_: oh sorry, it worked as i updated to kde 3.5
[12:14] <sas171> _JuDgEn_: thanks
[12:21] <sputnick> sputnick_ ?
[12:25] <bejoy> Hello1
[12:25] <bejoy> Can anybody tell me difference between CD and DVD of Kubuntu.
[12:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to observe the active connections of a SSH server?
[12:32] <bejoy> Tallia1Kubuntu, w
[12:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[12:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> w?
[12:32] <me2win> Tallia1Kubuntu, 2 ways actually
[12:33] <me2win> Tallia1Kubuntu, one is the command "who" and one is "users"
[12:33] <_JuDgEn_> bejoy You dont need the dvd unless you have really slow internet connection
[12:33] <_JuDgEn_> bejoy you can install debian and ubuntu/kubuntu from a usb image even if you have an internet conection
[12:34] <bejoy> _JuDgEn_, i want to know the differnce between CD and DVD editon.Perhaps you can tell me where to look for the content of CD and DVD.
[12:35] <me2win> bejoy, DVD includes both LIVE and Install versions. It also carries over a few extra packages
[12:35] <laurika> hi
[12:35] <me2win> hey laurika
[12:35] <_JuDgEn_> the dvd has more localizations, more productivity apps, videolan client and smoe more apps from the univese repository
[12:35] <laurika> what u guys discussing?
[12:35] <_JuDgEn_> for more info on what it contains look at the universe
[12:36] <bejoy> me2win, do you where i can see the content of it?
[12:36] <Kingpomba> yay my kubuntu torrent is at 90% :)
[12:36] <Kingpomba> dvd version
[12:36] <_JuDgEn_> if you are using ubuntu/kubuntu you can browse it with synaptic
[12:37] <Kingpomba> i've had this problem in the past with other distros
[12:37] <_JuDgEn_> also, you have to edit the sources.lst
[12:37] <Kingpomba> when i put the cd in and set it in bios , it loads from the hard drive :/
[12:37] <_JuDgEn_> Kingpomba thats why you should only download small isos =)
[12:37] <Kingpomba> what were you commenting on
[12:37] <Kingpomba> the download or the problem
[12:38] <_JuDgEn_> the download
[12:38] <Kingpomba> oh ok
[12:38] <me2win> bejoy, i take that back, its JUST the install and live versions
[12:38] <_JuDgEn_> why do you download ubuntu? You can order it for free at the ubuntu website. They even pay the shipment
[12:39] <Kingpomba> it's kubuntu
[12:39] <Kingpomba> and everytime you order a cd a little bit of money is taken from a nice mans bank account
[12:39] <me2win> _JuDgEn_, because I can have it downloaded and installed within an hours time. If you get it shipped, no telling how long it will take to get there. My Hoary CD took 4 months to arrive.
[12:40] <_JuDgEn_> it the same, only when you install you only slect the base ubuntu system, whereafter you use "apt-get install kde"
[12:40] <_JuDgEn_> Kingpomba last argument was better =)
[12:40] <_JuDgEn_> he indeed seems nice
[12:41] <Kingpomba> maybe i just burnt the other cd wrong thats why it did'ent boot
[12:41] <_JuDgEn_> maybe
[12:41] <Kingpomba> im talking about my old slax live cd
[12:41] <Kingpomba> which i lost :/
[12:42] <_JuDgEn_> I long for the day when x11 (and selected wm+dm) will get as fast as beos app_server (if ever)
[12:42] <Kingpomba> in nero should i burn it as dvd-rom (iso) or dvd-rom (boot)
[12:43] <_JuDgEn_> dont use nerdo, i use dc/dvd-record
[12:43] <_JuDgEn_> terminal app, works like a charm
[12:43] <Mucki> hi, anyone know where webmin is on dapper? cant find it with synaptic and i think ive got all important repositories enabled
[12:43] <Kingpomba> is it windows
[12:43] <Kingpomba> cause i don't have linux yet
[12:43] <_JuDgEn_> nope
[12:44] <_JuDgEn_> Kingpomba that makes a little bit harder =P
[12:44] <dipnlik_> Kingpomba: probably dvd-rom (iso)
[12:44] <Kingpomba> Factoid Not In Database, Asking Other Bots...
[12:45] <Kingpomba> No Factoid Match
[12:45] <Kingpomba> :/
[12:45] <me2win> Mucki, im showing it in universe
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[12:45] <Kingpomba> don
[12:45] <Kingpomba> t recall talking to my self
[12:46] <Kingpomba> silly bot
[12:50] <_toni> Buenos das
[12:51] <me2win> sup _toni
[12:51] <jockitch> anyone else having problems with amarok & kaffeine?
[12:51] <Kingpomba> getting late i got school tommrow night everyone
[12:52] <me2win> jockitch, yes, because we experience problems in unison...
[12:52] <jockitch> with libflac4?
[12:52] <me2win> lolz
[12:52] <me2win> i was kidding, and nobody is having problems cept you
[12:52] <me2win> what are they not doing?
[12:53] <jockitch> okay me and a friend has the same problem. I can't play any media files with them basicly =)
[12:53] <jockitch> not mp3 nor mpeg or avi
[12:53] <me2win> did you install gstreamer? xine? alsa?
[12:53] <jockitch> yeah
[12:53] <jockitch> well amarok gstreamer
[12:53] <me2win> try xine
[12:54] <me2win> did you make sure to change it in the options?
[12:55] <jockitch> where at?
[12:56] <me2win> in amarok
[12:56] <me2win> under engines in the options menu
[01:16] <jockitch> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
[01:16] <jockitch> that's the error message i got now =)
[01:19] <jockitch> anyway thansk for your help! :)
[01:19] <jockitch> bye!
[01:25] <jocitch> I restarted the sounddevice and then it worked. thanks!! =)
[01:28] <me2win> heh
[01:28] <me2win> nice
[01:33] <nrdb> I just went to add a new user to my system but I am getting an error message "The mdoeul Users & Groups could not be loaded" how do I fix this?
[01:33] <visik7> anyone using azureus ?
[01:34] <_JuDgEn_> Hmm i seem to have found the problem with the video overlay
[01:34] <_JuDgEn_> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx#Speed
[01:34] <_JuDgEn_> its disabled by deafult when fglrx is installed
[01:34] <_JuDgEn_> silly
[02:16] <dan_> Hi. I want to make translations of my KDE program. When I run 'make -f admin/Makefile.common package-messages', an 'error while opening "/usr/include/kde.pot" for reading' appears. The file 'kde.pot' is located in '/usr/include/kde/kde.pot'. I don't know how to change the path. Can somebody help me? Thanks
[02:18] <me2win> dan_, try configuring with the headers on, like this:  ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[02:31] <dan_> I'm using KDevelop, so I changed Configure options. Now it configure my project using command 'cd '/home/dan/qwe2/ktut/debug' && CXXFLAGS="-O0 -g3" "/home/dan/qwe2/ktut/configure" --enable-debug=full --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`' After it I make the project. The error while opening 'kde.pot' remains.
[02:33] <sniff> !nat
[02:33] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sniff
[02:33] <sniff> !router
[02:33] <ubotu> methinks router is a device used to connect multiple computers online at the same time, or wirelessly. It would be a box in between your modem and computer if you go by the wires.
[02:34] <sniff> i know that
[02:34] <sniff> but how you configure an ubuntu machine to be a router?
[02:34] <sniff> gah
[02:36] <me2win> !hub
[02:36] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[02:39] <tomas_> guys im depressed, please help me.
[02:40] <me2win> ?
[02:40] <tomas_> i want to learn opengl,glut or something
[02:40] <tomas_> from the beginning
[02:40] <tomas_> right now im not more than a beeing that breathes
[02:40] <tomas_> (
[02:40] <tomas_> :(
[02:41] <me2win> learn C++
[02:41] <tomas_> i know c
[02:41] <tomas_> and c++ some
[02:41] <tomas_> i want to get started with some graphics
[02:41] <tomas_> i want something concrete
[02:42] <tomas_> assembly isnt the right thing in x imo
[02:43] <me2win> Qt
[02:43] <Dominja> Anybody got an idea when (k)ubuntu will have a low latency kernel for audio work?
[02:43] <tomas_> not what i want but thanks for the suggestion me2win
[02:43] <tomas_> i guesss i will take a a look at glut
[02:43] <tomas_> thanks
[02:43] <tomas_> take care
[02:43] <tomas_> bye
[02:43] <me2win> cya
[02:43] <Dominja> Apart from that, (k)ubuntu is nearing perfection for me... :)
[02:44] <me2win> yeah
[03:03] <Zeusz> hello all
[03:03] <Zeusz> my friend Toni16
[03:03] <Zeusz> has a problem
[03:03] <Toni16> hi
[03:03] <Zeusz> the system won't start
[03:03] <Zeusz> he keeps getting the following error message
[03:03] <Zeusz> you session only lasted ehan 10 seconds.If you have note logged out yourself this couls mean that there some iansalation problem or thatyou may be out of diskspace.Try loging in with one of falsife session to see if you can fix this problem
[03:03] <Zeusz> what could cause the problem ?
[03:05] <Zeusz> is anyone here ?
[03:05] <me2win> have low ram? low swap space?
[03:05] <Zeusz> well he has a 1 GB swap partition
[03:06] <Zeusz> don't think that would cause it
[03:06] <Zeusz> and he has 512 MB ram
[03:06] <Zeusz> he says that he has enough free space
[03:06] <Zeusz> too
[03:06] <Zeusz> but everithing worked before
[03:07] <Tm_T> Zeusz: have he tried with livecd?
[03:07] <Tm_T> Zeusz: hardware failure is possible
[03:07] <Zeusz> hmm
[03:07] <Zeusz> windows works
[03:08] <Zeusz> don't think its a hardware problem
[03:08] <Tm_T> Zeusz: then doublecheck fstab
[03:08] <Zeusz> whats the command ?
[03:08] <Tm_T> oh...
[03:08] <Zeusz> or maybe an fsck would help ?
[03:08] <Tm_T> maybe
[03:08] <Tm_T> maybe not
[03:09] <Zeusz> well it's worth a try
[03:09] <Tm_T> bah, I had work to do ->
[03:09] <Zeusz> ok
[03:09] <Zeusz> thanks for your time
[03:09] <dark_suic_ZZZ> i'm having problems trying to set up a drupal server, when i connect to it, firefox, konqueror, ie, everything i've tried tries to download the php file instead of taking it as a webpage... what am i missing?
[03:12] <sveri> hi, i want to mount windows shares from my server with: sudo mount //192.168.15.2/daten /home/sveri/0daten/ -t smbfs -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000,username=sveri, this works so far, but special characters are shown as undescribeable characters, but when i access the share with smb://192.168.15.2/daten directly from konqueror everything works well
[03:13] <dark_suic_ZZZ> if it's a windows mount you'll need smbmount instead of mount
[03:14] <sveri> i still have the same problem
[03:17] <DarkAdmiral> i've just installed initNG and it works fine
[03:17] <DarkAdmiral> but internet isnt set up on start
[03:18] <DarkAdmiral> which daemon does "ifup eth0"?
[03:20] <visik7> networking script of ubuntu is weird
[03:22] <dipnlik> hi all. i have a winxp machine sharing internet to my kubuntu machine, but the internet connection in the kubuntu machine lasts for just about one minute. any ideas on how to fix this?
[03:23] <dipnlik> when i lose the internet connection, i still can ping the winxp machine
[03:25] <noteventime> Has anyone compiled the newest version of kubuntu?
[03:25] <visik7> uh ?
[03:26] <visik7> dipnlik: do u have autodisconnection when no triffic is on ?
[03:28] <dipnlik> visik7, i never configured anything related to this, where can i configure this?
[03:28] <visik7> dunno I don't use windows
[03:28] <visik7> maybe someware in internet explorer settings
[03:29] <dipnlik> visik7, no no, windows is fine
[03:29] <jyke> piv onko suomalaisia
[03:29] <visik7> fine for what ?
[03:30] <noteventime> Having shutdown :D
[03:30] <dipnlik> visik7, the internet connection on winxp is kept active like it should
[03:31] <dipnlik> visik7, i'm on it now, because internet on my kubuntu pc "doesn't work". works for a minute then i have to sudo dhclient for it to come back for one minute more :S
[03:32] <jyke> jep jep
[03:33] <jyke> kaikki lhtee menee
[03:36] <jyke> onko mitn muita sivuja
[03:38] <Tm_T> !fi
[03:38] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu Ubuntusta kanavalla #ubuntu-fi
[03:38] <Tm_T> jees, sinne mne, or use english
[03:39] <atidem> hello people
[03:39] <Tm_T> no people here, go away!
[03:39] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:39] <atidem> Tm_T: ah ah ah
[03:40] <atidem> are you the owner of chan?
[03:40] <atidem> nope, then be quiet!
[03:40] <Tm_T> I'm operator, if that's what you're asking
[03:40] <Tm_T> and hey to you too :)
[03:40] <atidem> there arent operaton in this channel
[03:41] <Tm_T> there is
[03:41] <atidem> okay
[03:42] <Tm_T> atidem: anyway, I bet you didn't come to argue here, so ask :)
[03:42] <atidem> yea
[03:42] <atidem> hehehe
[03:42] <atidem> new problem
[03:42] <atidem> with tomcat 5.5.15
[03:42] <Tm_T> uh, I had to clean my room ->
[03:42] <atidem> I putted my apps in $CATALINA_HOME/webapps
[03:43] <atidem> but didnt access it
[03:43] <atidem> error 404
[03:43] <atidem> I readed documentation but not finded solution
[03:45] <atidem> in the log there arent errors
[03:45] <atidem> what s wrong?
[03:45] <noteventime> What is/are the mm patch(es)
[03:48] <atidem> Tm_T: what about it?
[03:48] <atidem> :D
[03:49] <Tm_T> don't talk to me, I'm cleaning my room
[03:52] <silas> hi
[03:53] <silas> can someone share some info about code genration tools on ubuntu ?
[03:55] <DarkAdmiral> does anyone know how to change the boot-font-size =
[03:56] <MetaMorfoziS> any way in kde to support dualmonitor?
[03:56] <MetaMorfoziS> or any configuration mode?
[03:56] <mike> MetaMorfoziS: mine is already
[03:56] <MetaMorfoziS> i think first i need to set it up in xorg
[03:56] <MetaMorfoziS> but how can i do that?
[03:56] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm not found any howto
[03:56] <atidem> DarkAdmiral: change vga option in menu.list
[03:57] <mike> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:57] <MetaMorfoziS> yes i know where is and what is xorg.conf
[03:57] <MetaMorfoziS> but i don't know what i need to enable dual monitors
[03:57] <MetaMorfoziS> i've only had 2 connected monitors:)
[03:57] <mike> what video card do you have
[03:57] <MetaMorfoziS> nvidia
[03:57] <MetaMorfoziS> 6600
[03:58] <mike> read the nvidia drivers documentation on the web
[03:58] <MetaMorfoziS> and, what is xinerma?
[03:58] <DarkAdmiral> atidem: which size is quiet small?
[03:58] <MetaMorfoziS> @ forums i red it a lot of palces
[03:58] <mike> read the nvidia drivers documentation
[03:59] <MetaMorfoziS> ok i'm searching for it
[04:00] <atidem> DarkAdmiral: search the web for this, it depends of your monitor res
[04:01] <DarkAdmiral> atidem: ok thx
[04:01] <atidem> you are welcome
[04:12] <atidem> bye PEOPLE
[04:12] <Kyral> Morning K-Type people
[04:13] <mijndert> good afternoon :)
[04:15] <ph8> hi all
[04:15] <ph8> Does anyone know a good text editor (Like Kate) that will support sftp/scp editing?
[04:15] <ph8> even ones for gnome would be welcome
[04:17] <Kyral> Emacs?
[04:18] <Kyral> and I'm dead serious
[04:19] <Kyral> use Tramp-Mode to ssh to wherever in Dired, then open the file you want and boom :D
[04:19] <ronaldson40> HI
[04:19] <ph8> i've just tried xemacs
[04:19] <ph8> and it was crap?
[04:19] <Kyral> *twitch*
[04:19] <ph8> there's all sorts of keyboard shortcuts and other rubbish that overcomplicate it
[04:19] <ph8> it's the same reason I use pico over vi
[04:19] <ronaldson40> My telnet is very slow.... K runnin slow
[04:20] <Kyral> Thou shall not speak of the ONE TRUE EDITOR that way!!!
[04:20] <ph8> why do you prefer it if it's insanely complicated?
[04:20] <ph8> and isn't emacs command line only?
[04:20] <ph8> I want something nice, like Kate, gedit or editplus (windows) that'll work over scp/sftp
[04:20] <Kyral> <---Terminal Junkie
[04:20] <ph8> someone said something about sshfs, is that a good solution for editing on a remote (localish) system
[04:20] <Kyral> and Emacs does have an XWindows frontend
[04:21] <ph8> * ?
[04:21] <Kyral> which I disable by apt-getting emacs21-nox instead of emacs21 :P
[04:22] <morrow> ph8: just oben your remote folder with fish:/
[04:22] <morrow> (in konq)
[04:22] <morrow> open even. :)
[04:23] <morrow> fish://user@host/folder and then just edit it with kate or whatever you like
[04:23] <morrow> after saving it, konquerer should ask you if you want to upload the changes to the remote folder
[04:25] <ph8> is that secure?
[04:25] <ph8> what protocol does fish use?
[04:26] <ph8> according to kate fish:// is an unknown protocol as well
[04:26] <ph8> I'm using a gnome desktop for kate, will that cause lots of issues? :(
[04:26] <MetaMorfoziS> huh
[04:27] <morrow> ph8: fish is using ssh
[04:27] <MetaMorfoziS> i have been enabled the 2monitor mode
[04:27] <morrow> ph8: yes.. fish is a ioslave of kde
[04:27] <MetaMorfoziS> but, in kcoontrol
[04:27] <MetaMorfoziS> it only said about one monitor
[04:27] <MetaMorfoziS> but!
[04:27] <MetaMorfoziS> with 2304*1024
[04:27] <ph8> so, I can't use it from gnome? :(
[04:27] <MetaMorfoziS> resolution:D
[04:27] <morrow> ph8: you may switch channels to ubuntu, if you are having problems with gnome
[04:27] <ph8> they sent me here :p
[04:27] <MetaMorfoziS> resolution:D
[04:28] <MetaMorfoziS> hopp
[04:28] <morrow> ph8: try it with a kubuntu desktop :-)
[04:28] <MetaMorfoziS> so my two monitors are 1280*1024 and 1024*768
[04:28] <ph8> I used to run KDE
[04:28] <ph8> but things like kcontrol just didn't work so i had to switch
[04:28] <ph8> is it better now?
[04:29] <boldii> hi
[04:30] <morrow> no idea. As far as i can tell there is no real problem with kcontrol :)
[04:30] <boldii> I have somehow lost my menu. Now I want to get the original one back. how is this possible?
[04:31] <DizzyDiz> I'm having trouble with konqueror associations can somebody help?
[04:31] <DizzyDiz> When I right-click folders I no longer get the option to compress them
[04:32] <DizzyDiz> I know it has something to do with associations butI'm not sure what
[04:33] <DizzyDiz> I also have the same issue with archives.
[04:34] <DizzyDiz> When I right click an archive I no longer get the option to extract here or any of the other archive menu entries
[04:35] <boldii> isn't it possible to get the menu back?
[04:37] <DizzyDiz> Are there any konqueror experts out there that can help me?
[04:37] <DizzyDiz> Help me fix my right mouse context menu in konqueror...
[04:39] <DizzyDiz> Nevermind the problem just went away
[04:39] <DizzyDiz> I think it was something related to my session
[04:40] <diokhan> some question. How much ram do i need to get enough speed under kde ?
[04:42] <DizzyDiz> Diokhan I'm not expert but I believe you could run just fine with as little as 256M of RAM
[04:43] <DizzyDiz> I've run KDE with 512M and have noticed no slowdown
[04:43] <DizzyDiz> That was on an AMD2800+
[04:43] <DizzyDiz> It really also depends on what services you have running
[04:43] <DizzyDiz> And how much eye candy you use
[04:44] <DizzyDiz> If you have a lot of apps running in the background then you might see some slowdown.
[04:44] <diokhan> at my other pc i got only 256mb and when i try to caputure via xdtv and have some xdcc transfers running i only get around 16fps
[04:44] <man2d> sry, i'm using 1300 mhz and 256 ram. is it real to normally use kde?
[04:44] <diokhan> eye candy are all of
[04:44] <diokhan> also amule and edonkey are running :P
[04:45] <DizzyDiz> You're problem might be related to your capture card and not KDE
[04:45] <DizzyDiz> Try installing XFCE via synaptic and running xdtv there
[04:45] <man2d> when amaroK changes tracks, games are lagging :(
[04:45] <man2d> can i fix that?
[04:45] <DizzyDiz> See if you get a better frame rate
[04:46] <diokhan> when i choose a lower capture resolution it works...
[04:46] <DizzyDiz> Does your capture card have hardware encoding/decoding?
[04:47] <diokhan> yeah i had xfce running, but the caputure wont work then
[04:47] <diokhan> no, just a normal bt878
[04:47] <DizzyDiz> That could be a clue too
[04:47] <DizzyDiz> The CPU has too work harder to encode/decode the signal so that could be stealing some resources
[04:48] <DizzyDiz> It's weird because the app should work fine under xfce
[04:48] <diokhan> 1600 XP+ should be enough i think
[04:48] <DizzyDiz> Did you try tvtime?
[04:48] <DizzyDiz> Yeah an XP 1600+ shjould be plenty
[04:49] <diokhan> it works, but i use xdtv, becaus of his timetable function.. and that doesnt work under xfce
[04:49] <DizzyDiz> I have a cheap capture card in my 2800XP and it ran fine with 512M of Ram, maybe that might be a sweet spot
[04:50] <DizzyDiz> Try isolating the problem to KDE and see if that really is the problem.
[04:50] <DizzyDiz> In other words try tvtime at the same framerate under XFCE and see if that works
[04:50] <diokhan> tvtime is able to capture ?
[04:51] <DizzyDiz> Yeah tvtime should capture/play TV channels
[04:51] <diokhan> sounds good - also with shuedler ?
[04:51] <DizzyDiz> I'm really out of my expert area here becauseI'm just learning these apps myself
[04:51] <diokhan> *g* ok
[04:51] <DizzyDiz> I'd suggest freevo for a full scheduling solution
[04:52] <DizzyDiz> That's what I'm using
[04:52] <DizzyDiz> Freevo includes the scheduling and all the other goodies
[04:52] <DizzyDiz> I got it working on my Mepis install
[04:53] <DizzyDiz> You can use MPlayer Xine or TVtime for the TV part of it
[04:53] <DizzyDiz> I use Freevo with TVtime
[04:53] <diokhan> sounds good and looks good *g* is it as hard to install as mythtv ?
[04:53] <DizzyDiz> No Freevo is a lot easier to install
[04:53] <DizzyDiz> There's a deb repo for it too
[04:54] <v|ffm|egan> Hi, anybody has anybody got an idea how to tell Kaffeine to show DVB video with an aspect ratio of 1.25 (1280/1024)?
[04:54] <DizzyDiz> The hardest part about it is configuring the program scheduling with XMLTV
[04:54] <diokhan> yeah *g* ok i try that, but i think is should also buy some more ram *g* 39euros are not that much
[04:54] <DizzyDiz> The only problem I have never resolved (and it kills me too) is my ATI driver issue
[04:54] <diokhan> well i use at the moment only the ati-kernel drigver
[04:54] <diokhan> *driver
[04:54] <DizzyDiz> Yeah spring for the extra RAM, 512 will definitely be more than enough
[04:55] <diokhan> plus 256
[04:55] <DizzyDiz> I can't get my driver to play on my TV set
[04:55] <diokhan> 768 *g*
[04:55] <DizzyDiz> It plays just fine on the monitor
[04:55] <diokhan> tv out configured ?
[04:55] <DizzyDiz> I think
[04:55] <DizzyDiz> Like I said, I'm just learning the stuff myself
[04:56] <DizzyDiz> I just recently installed the official ATI driver from their website
[04:56] <diokhan> *g* thats linux *g*
[04:56] <DizzyDiz> Yeah
[04:56] <DizzyDiz> The ATI official driver crashed my system
[04:56] <HymnToLife> DizzyDiz> bettr install the drivers the Ubuntu way
[04:56] <DizzyDiz> Well I'm not sure if its the driver or the mods to xorg.conf
[04:56] <diokhan> at this machine i use the given ati driver from apt
[04:56] <HymnToLife> !ati
[04:56] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[04:57] <DizzyDiz> Well at home I run Mepis
[04:57] <diokhan> y that ?
[04:58] <DizzyDiz> Well I was a Mepis user before I converted to Kubuntu
[04:58] <DizzyDiz> Mepis was such a simple install and so easy to get up and running
[04:58] <diokhan> ubuntu and debian as well
[04:58] <DizzyDiz> In my experience Mepis is easier and comes preconfig'ed for multi-media
[04:59] <v|ffm|egan> Hi, has anybody got an idea how to tell Kaffeine to play DVB video with an aspect ratio of 1.24 (1280/1024)?
[04:59] <DizzyDiz> One sec... phone's ringing...
[04:59] <zblach> hey
[04:59] <zblach> quick question
[04:59] <mike> can someone help me create n initscript?
[04:59] <DizzyDiz> It's my wife
[05:00] <diokhan> thats an argument, but i prefer a "naked" system... I dont like if everthing is given. At this pc i use a breezy server install.. and at the other debian etch
[05:00] <zblach> thinking about picking up a new burner. is there linux support for lightscribe?
[05:00] <DizzyDiz> I have to concentrate on this call
[05:00] <diokhan> ^^
[05:02] <zblach> googled the issue and i haven't found anything
[05:03] <DizzyDiz> Ok I'm back
[05:03] <diokhan> welcome back :P
[05:03] <DizzyDiz> My wife is trippin'
[05:03] <diokhan> "noo wommaaaann noooo cry ;)
[05:03] <DizzyDiz> Asking me about my daughter's girl scout stuff
[05:04] <DizzyDiz> Haha
[05:04] <DizzyDiz> Yeah now what was I saying?
[05:04] <DizzyDiz> Oh yeah, I gotta figure out how to use my ATI TV outs
[05:04] <DizzyDiz> I have an ATI 9200
[05:04] <DizzyDiz> And a trashed Mepis install
[05:05] <diokhan> under debian it works well
[05:05] <DizzyDiz> That needs fixing
[05:05] <DizzyDiz> I can fix it with the live disk, that's no problem
[05:05] <DizzyDiz> I just gotta figure out whyI don't get a signal on my TV set
[05:05] <DizzyDiz> Well I get a signal but it's garbled
[05:05] <diokhan> try from apt the official ati driver and than put in the xorg.conf this
[05:06] <DizzyDiz> It's funny because on boot the signal is almost ok
[05:06] <diokhan> Option "NoTV"                       "no
[05:06] <diokhan> "
[05:06] <DizzyDiz> I'll try that
[05:06] <diokhan> and also said him which standard ?
[05:06] <DizzyDiz> Tonight when I leave from work
[05:07] <diokhan> 	Option "TVStandard"                 "PAL-B" -> this option for germany for example
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> I thinkI need NTSC, America
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> I have everything but that one critical piece working
[05:07] <diokhan> of course :P
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> If I can get that fixed then I'll be in business
[05:07] <DizzyDiz> Freevo is pretty 8) cool
[05:08] <diokhan> *g* also tried that fglrxconf programm ?
[05:08] <DizzyDiz> I was able to install Mepis, then upgrade KDE and XORg, and then Freevo all in a matter of 2 hours
[05:08] <diokhan> not bad ;)
[05:08] <zblach> any word on the KDE4 release date
[05:08] <zblach> ?
[05:08] <diokhan> end 06
[05:09] <DizzyDiz> I tried installing MythTV and got nowhere
[05:09] <diokhan> like me..
[05:09] <diokhan> sounds quite nice, but...
[05:09] <DizzyDiz> Well I almost got it working but got some weird error
[05:09] <diokhan> what error ?
[05:09] <DizzyDiz> Freevo was easy
[05:10] <DizzyDiz> I can't even remember the error
[05:10] <DizzyDiz> It was so long ago
[05:10] <diokhan> ok.. not soo important now *G*
[05:10] <diokhan> well i must leave... shops closes soon
[05:10] <DizzyDiz> Same here
[05:11] <diokhan> well then.. thx for help *g* maybe we talk again
[05:12] <Hamman> Hi, I'm having some problems with fonts in Kubuntu 6.04(completely up to date), as in they're all to big
[05:12] <Hamman> fontsize 7 gives me fonts that looks like 12 pt
[05:13] <Hamman> I've tried different fonts, and different KDE-themes
[05:14] <Tm_T> Hamman: sounds like dpi issue
[05:14] <Hamman> how can I check what DPI I'm using?
[05:14] <Hamman> should be 96, right?
[05:15] <Tm_T> something like that
[05:15] <Tm_T> have to say that I don't remember
[05:15] <Hamman> ok, thanks anyway
[05:15] <Tm_T> nor have time to investigate, goodluck, food to me ->
[05:16] <Hamman> I'll do some googling
[05:16] <Hamman> Tm_T: Thx for your time
[05:16] <v|ffm|egan> !list
[05:16] <ubotu> list is, like, totally, you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[05:19] <zblach> :q
[05:21] <silas> hi
[05:22] <silas> where all do I add universe multiverse ?
[05:22] <silas> i openeed adept
[05:23] <_mindspin> mom
[05:23] <Hamman> To anyone interested, "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" checks what DPI you're using
[05:24] <_mindspin> adept -> manage repositories
[05:24] <Hamman> I had 85x86, which is strange as that should make all fonts quite small
[05:25] <vijay> just now i installed ettercap-gtk, but unable to start it!!! can any one tell me the command???
[05:25] <robotgeek> vijay: dpkg -L ettercap-gtk | grep bin
[05:26] <vijay> robotgeek:thanks ok
[05:26] <Hamman> does anyone know what .dir I should(re)move to reset font settings in kde?
[05:29] <LUi>  
[05:29] <leafw> can anyone recommend an application to run any OS in a virtual box ?
[05:29] <LUi>  ?
[05:29] <LUi> ..
[05:30] <robotgeek> LUi: do you have a question?
[05:30] <vijay> robotgeek: it displayed /usr/sbin/ettercap, but after typing this in run box, nothing is happening??
[05:30] <robotgeek> vijay: try it in there terminal
[05:30] <LUi> who can help me?
[05:31] <vijay> robotgeek: ok
[05:31] <robotgeek> LUi: just ask your question
[05:32] <LUi> am, do you speak russian?
[05:32] <leafw> LUi, ia gabariu pa-ruski niemnoga ..
[05:32] <leafw> LUi: kak tibia bopros?
[05:32] <leafw> oops
[05:33] <leafw> LUi: kakia tibia bopros?
[05:33] <LUi> leafw, chto?
[05:33] <leafw> chto chto ?
[05:34] <vijay> robotgeek: got it, i learnt a new command from you thank you verymuch
[05:34] <LUi> ladno, nevakno..v obshem problema v sleduushem...
[05:34] <leafw> LUi: you had some obvious encoding problems
[05:34] <LUi> u menya ustanovlen kubuntu linux, no po chemu-to ne nastraivaet'sya set'
[05:35] <leafw> "sya set"? Ne panimaio ...
[05:35] <LUi> tochnee ya vnoshu izmeneniya v nastroyki, no oin ne sphranyaut'sya
[05:36] <leafw> LUi: I'm afraid my russian is quite limited.
[05:36] <leafw> Lui: I didn't get much from the last sentence
[05:36] <LUi> leafw, oops :(
[05:37] <leafw> LUi: ia ne panimal sledushem clobi
[05:37] <leafw> LUi: and I'm making a terrible job with the declinations!
[05:37] <LUi> leafw, my trable: don't change net options...
[05:38] <leafw> LUi: net=internet? ifconfig related?
[05:38] <LUi> yes, internet, yes related
[05:39] <LUi> changes don't saved...
[05:39] <leafw> hum, worng permissions? Are you making the changes as "Administrator" or root?
[05:40] <silas> how to enable mp3 ?
[05:40] <LUi> administrator
[05:40] <silas> i mean in kubntu
[05:40] <LUi> this question me to
[05:40] <leafw> "enable mp3" ?
[05:40] <silas> i mean play mp3
[05:40] <LUi> yes
[05:40] <leafw> you mean, to play them in which application?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> !mp3
[05:41] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[05:41] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:41] <silas> amaraok is what I have default in kubuntu
[05:41] <leafw> LUi: can't help you without a lot more information: where, which application are you using to change the internet settings?
[05:41] <wincide> hi all , i'm looking for a compiler/enviroment/simulator for programming VHDL ... there is any for KDE ??
[05:42] <LUi> leafw, aplication is a default aplication in kubuntu
[05:43] <leafw> LUi: you mean the "System Settings" ?
[05:43] <LUi> menu-system administer-net settings
[05:43] <LUi> yes
[05:43] <leafw> LUi: I don't even have this menu item. Are you on Breezy?
[05:43] <LUi> where?
[05:44] <leafw> Breezy, the 5.10 version of Kubuntu.
[05:44] <LUi> yes
[05:44] <leafw> ok, "System administer" may be "System settings"
[05:44] <LUi> yes yes
[05:45] <robotgeek> wincide: enable universe and multiverse, then look in adept
[05:45] <leafw> if you click "administrator mode" and then enter changes, push "apply", and quit, it *should* remain changed. File a bug report otherwise.
[05:46] <wincide> robotgeek:  i've done that, but i've only found gtkwave, and i like one for KDE if it is possible :)
[05:46] <LUi> am, i push "apply" next quit. but changes not saved
[05:46] <robotgeek> wincide: i found quite a few vhdl things, "apt-cache search vhdl"
[05:47] <leafw> LUi: file a bug report! Can't help you there.
[05:47] <LUi> whea this report?
[05:47] <LUi> where
[05:47] <leafw> www.kubuntu.org -> bugs
[05:48] <LUi> a..
[05:48] <wincide> robotgeek: i've seen apt , and i've found some vhdl things , but any of these were for kde, i need one for x window
[05:48] <LUi> senks
[05:48] <robotgeek> wincide: yeah, probably not for kde. sorry
[05:48] <wincide> apt is the first place i look
[05:48] <wincide> :)
[05:49] <LUi> bay
[05:51] <leafw> any emulation program for kubuntu-ppc to run other OSes inside, natively, such as netbsd/macppc, in a similar fashion to mol ?
[06:03] <k-s> how do I change button order in kcontrol?
[06:04] <k-s> ops, systemsettings
[06:04] <k-s> since kubuntu replaces kcontrol with systemsettings
[06:05] <robotgeek> k-s: kcontrol is still present
[06:07] <k-s> robotgeek: but there is a way to replace systemsettings button order? Make it work like KDE instead of Gnome
[06:11] <mikearthur> how can I install skype?
[06:12] <robotgeek> !skype
[06:12] <ubotu> somebody said skype was http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[06:12] <mikearthur> nice one
[06:12] <robotgeek> k-s: i am not sure what you mean by system settings order
[06:14] <k-s> robotgeek: [ok]  [apply]  [cancel]  are switched order
[06:14] <robotgeek> k-s: hmm, i am not sure where you would change that, sorry
[06:17] <bobesponja> check out digikam + GPS tagged jpeg + mapquest.com http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-alpha8.png
[06:28] <silas> hi
[06:28] <silas> i am trying to play a song
[06:28] <silas> the song is working well
[06:28] <silas> i dont hear anything!
[06:29] <silas> using amarok on gstreamer
[06:29] <silas> cxan someone help me ?
[06:29] <robotgeek> silas: try all the mixers, maybe something is muted
[06:30] <silas> thanks
[06:35] <fireb0x> !lamp
[06:35] <ubotu> it has been said that lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[06:37] <wimpies> When I click on 'view source of document' in konqueror I get kate as editor.  How can I change this to kedit ?
[06:49] <mallox> :/
[06:49] <noteventime> 'ello
[06:50] <jjesse> i want to access a wireless network via an access point that does not have wep, but everytime i connect it says invalid wep key how do i turn of wep?
[06:51] <me2win> jjesse, chek your router?
[06:52] <m0nark> jjesse: iwconfig ath0 key off
[06:52] <me2win> or that :D
[06:52] <jjesse> m0nark: thanks
[06:52] <m0nark> yw :)
[06:53] <m0nark> you probably want to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces though
[06:53] <jjesse> ok
[06:53] <m0nark> check out the manpages for a syntax
[06:53] <theD3viL> which is kde volume manager ?
[06:53] <frank23> jjesse: your device may be different than ath0
[06:54] <robotgeek> jjesse, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:54] <jjesse> frank23: i realized that, and changed it
[06:55] <m0nark> theD3viL: kvm
[06:55] <theD3viL> m0nark: kvm mount devices? Like gnome-volume-manager?
[06:56] <pradeepto> Riddell: around?
[06:56] <m0nark> theD3viL: no idea, I just googled it for you :) read the manual or something
[06:57] <theD3viL> m0nark: :) tnxt
[07:01] <Riddell> pradeepto: hi
[07:01] <pradeepto> Riddell: ah there you are :)
[07:01] <pradeepto> I have been looking all around for ya.
[07:01] <Riddell> I'm at a conference just now
[07:02] <Riddell> and this internet access is terrible
[07:02] <Riddell> anyhoo, what can I do?
[07:02] <pradeepto> Riddell: oh you are, sorry had no idea about it.
[07:02] <pradeepto> Kubuntu CDs please , pretty please.
[07:02] <pradeepto> Event/s coming up very soon.
[07:03] <pradeepto> Riddell: I had mailed you before and after FOSDEM
[07:03] <Riddell> pradeepto: I sent them
[07:03] <pradeepto> oh you did, did not know that, really.
[07:04] <pradeepto> Thanks man.
[07:04] <pradeepto> You remember when you send them though?
[07:04] <Riddell> about a week ago
[07:04] <pradeepto> Riddell: And btw how many? 1 set like last time.
[07:04] <_jaideep> anybody, i just unzipped firefox, how do i install it?
[07:04] <Riddell> yes, 1 box
[07:04] <pradeepto> Oh cool.
[07:05] <Riddell> that's the 2kg limit
[07:05] <pradeepto> Riddell: No issues, should suffice.
[07:05] <robotgeek> _jaideep: you mean firefox 1.5?
[07:05] <pradeepto> Riddell: btw my new T42 runs Kubuntu from one of those CDs that you sent me :)
[07:07] <m0nark> that was probably not the way to install firefox :P
[07:09] <pradeepto> Riddell: were you there in community council meeting today?
[07:10] <Riddell> great
[07:10] <Riddell> pradeepto: not reall
[07:10] <Riddell> pradeepto: not really
[07:10] <pradeepto> hmmm
[07:11] <Riddell> why?
[07:12] <pradeepto> Riddell: well couple of weeks I have been discussing KDE l10n with some guys here.
[07:13] <pradeepto> Riddell: primarily with in_TE guy called Vijay.
[07:13] <pradeepto> So we thought it would be cool if we could have l10n / Indic Kubuntu.
[07:14] <Riddell> pradeepto: how do you mean?
[07:14] <pradeepto> Riddell: we laid down some points and created a "charter" or template for that.
[07:14] <Riddell> oh?
[07:15] <pradeepto> Well we have 23 official languages.
[07:15] <Riddell> India?  that's quite a lot of languages
[07:15] <pradeepto> And Indic l10n efforts on KDE are in a pathetic shape.
[07:15] <Riddell> I can imagine
[07:16] <pradeepto> Only a few languages have done some work and the best ones are still at 50% complete.
[07:16] <pradeepto> Now most l10n has been concentrating on GNOME.
[07:16] <Riddell> bah
[07:16] <pradeepto> I dont mind that though.
[07:17] <pradeepto> I am just bothered about KDE, simple.
[07:17] <Riddell> of course
[07:17] <pradeepto> Riddell: Around the same time I and Vijay were discussion our ideas.
[07:17] <pradeepto> Some that can be called parallel evolution happened. In the Ubuntu world.
[07:17] <Riddell> it did?
[07:17] <pradeepto> And Ubuntu-In and "the Indian Team" was formed.
[07:18] <Riddell> aah
[07:18] <pradeepto> Yes and they have an official status.
[07:18] <pradeepto> As of today GMT 12:00
[07:18] <Riddell> 6 hours old
[07:18] <pradeepto> Yup.
[07:18] <robotgeek> pradeepto: +1 on the Indian Team.
[07:19] <pradeepto> robotgeek: what? huh?
[07:19] <robotgeek> pradeepto: i was just happy at the formation of an indian team. i am indian too :)
[07:20] <pradeepto> robotgeek: glad to meet ya.
[07:20] <pradeepto> robotgeek: any chance you are on the kde-india mailing list?
[07:20] <robotgeek> pradeepto: nope.
[07:21] <pradeepto> robotgeek: join it now.
[07:21] <robotgeek> pradeepto: hmm, i can't translate. weak with lanuages. should i still join?
[07:21] <pradeepto> Riddell: Anways Vijay and I considering the state of l10n were thinking we need to do a "experimental" Indic l10n Kubuntu.
[07:22] <stordalsbon> hey does anyone know how to formate a drive?
[07:22] <pradeepto> robotgeek: KDE-India is not just about l10n. Its a KDE Community.
[07:22] <pradeepto> In INdia.
[07:22] <Riddell> pradeepto: we can certainly do a Kubuntu India, that would be cool
[07:23] <pradeepto> Riddell: now I am trying to meet other l10n people here.
[07:23] <pradeepto> Riddell: I just sent you the "charter" or whatever you want to call it.
[07:23] <robotgeek> pradeepto: hmm okay, can i have a link :)
[07:23] <Riddell> pradeepto: just needs a webpage with a pointer to the relent irc channel etc
[07:24] <pradeepto> Riddell: check your mail please.
[07:24] <pradeepto> Riddell: thanks you have made my task a lot easier.
[07:24] <anthonyyost> hi!
[07:24] <pradeepto> robotgeek: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india
[07:24] <stordalsbon> hey does any1 know how to format a drive ?
[07:25] <robotgeek> thanks pradeepto
[07:25] <Riddell> pradeepto: KDE will soon be imported into rosetta so people can translate it through the web (no svn/.po files)
[07:25] <pradeepto> Riddell: good to know that.
[07:25] <robotgeek> stordalsbon: do you have kubuntu installed already?
[07:25] <Riddell> pradeepto: freeflying recently made a Kubuntu chinese CD to have it in chinese
[07:25] <pradeepto> Riddell: This saturday I will be meeting other guy/s too.
[07:26] <anthonyyost> gay gay gay
[07:26] <Riddell> pradeepto: but the difficult bit of course it finding people to do the translations
[07:26] <Riddell> anthonyyost: don't be homophobic
[07:26] <pradeepto> Riddell: I am aware of that.
[07:26] <anthonyyost> i am gay
[07:26] <stordalsbon> robotgeek: yes i have two harddisks and i want to format my second
[07:26] <Riddell> anthonyyost: good, stay on topic
[07:26] <anthonyyost> ooooooooooooookkkkkk
[07:27] <pradeepto> Riddell: I will keep you posted what happens in the l10n meet on Saturday.
[07:27] <Riddell> pradeepto: yeah cool
[07:27] <Riddell> pradeepto: any idea how KDE and Kubuntu is for indian langages other than translations?  like do we have the right fonts?
[07:28] <pradeepto> Oh dont worry about fonts.
[07:28] <Riddell> pradeepto: there is a l10n meeting in london next week for ubuntu (which I'm not going to)
[07:28] <stordalsbon> robotgeek: yes i have two harddrives and want to format the second
[07:28] <pradeepto> Even Breezy has all the fonts I think.
[07:28] <m0nark> stordalsbon: "mke2fs -j /dev/hdX1" where hdX1 is your disk
[07:28] <stordalsbon> ok thanks
[07:28] <pradeepto> Riddell: there is package called ttf-indic-fonts or something.
[07:29] <m0nark> stordalsbon: that's for ext3 filesystem
[07:29] <pradeepto> Riddell: Just give you and idea -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam
[07:29] <stordalsbon> m0nark: i understand
[07:29] <robotgeek> stordalsbon: Kmenu -> System Settings -> Disks and Filesystem maybe?
[07:30] <pradeepto> Riddell: fonts are there, but its the volunteers that are less and not forthcoming.
[07:30] <pradeepto> Riddell: But pretty much I dont care, if we can get something done, people will come I am sure.
[07:31] <pradeepto> Riddell: there was no KDE India till December ' 05. And see now.
[07:32] <pradeepto> Riddell: did you get to read the mail?
[07:32] <pradeepto> robotgeek: did you join the list?
[07:32] <robotgeek> pradeepto: yeah, just did
[07:33] <pradeepto> robotgeek: you might be interested in joing #kde-in
[07:33] <Riddell> pradeepto: yep
[07:34] <pradeepto> Riddell: what do you think? Doable? Feasible?
[07:34] <Riddell> pradeepto: with your energy, anything is doable :)
[07:34] <pradeepto> Riddell: thanks :) Can I sig that ? :P
[07:34] <Riddell> of course :)
[07:35] <pradeepto> thanks again.
[07:36] <pradeepto> Riddell: Can you give me pointers ? what needs to be done for initiate this as a "official" project?
[07:37] <pradeepto> Riddell: Ofcourse I dont think we can go beyond a "experimental" stage any time soon.
[07:38] <pradeepto> But what the heck?
[07:39] <Riddell> pradeepto: tell the ubuntu-in people and make sure they're happy with it, then set up a kubuntu-in web page with aims and pointed to kde-india -mail list and irc channel (we can register domain if you want, although that tends to take some time), then I can announce it on kubuntu.org
[07:41] <pradeepto> Riddell: I get your point.
[07:42] <pradeepto> Riddell: I will get back to you on this by Sunday.
[07:42] <pradeepto> Riddell: then we can take it ahead.
[07:42] <pradeepto> Riddell: but is it really important that they're "happy"?
[07:43] <oskari> #ubuntu-fi
[07:45] <HymnToLife> perkele :D
[07:45] <HymnToLife> add /join :)
[07:47] <stordalsbon> m0nark: Thanks really much dued it worked perfectly
[07:47] <pradeepto> Riddell: tell me, is it really important to keep "Ubuntu-in" folks happy or whatever.
[07:47] <farous> can anyone tell me why the keyboard arrow keys do not work with openoffice?
[07:49] <pradeepto> Riddell: We have a different goals in terms of desktop, we can be as different as Ubuntu and Kubuntu are?
[07:50] <dumezil> when you have two dynamically configured interfaces, what determines the default route?  i have eth0 and wlan0 and they both are connected, but they both added default routes into the routing table...  i had to manually delete the wlan0 default route for anything to work (wlan0 is my work's wireless network which requires authentication)
[07:57] <dumezil> any help on what determines the default route?
[07:58] <cmvkk> hey, I'm using a kubuntu livecd for the PPC and I'm getting asked for a username and password without ever creating one.
[07:59] <Riddell> pradeepto: yep, just that in the past we've had Kubuntu Foo groups and the Ubuntu Foo groups have gone "why didn't you tell us you exist!", they'll be happy kubuntu-in exists just so long as they know about it
[07:59] <cmvkk> lots of documentation of this problem online in forums but i have yet to find a solution.
[08:00] <pradeepto> Riddell: I understand and I have talked about Indic Kubuntu with Ubuntu-In team leader.
[08:01] <pradeepto> Riddell: he said cool but then also said you just worry about l10n of KDE we will push things.
[08:02] <Riddell> pradeepto: ok, get them to link to the kubuntu-in website
[08:02] <pradeepto> Can you wait till Sunday evening.
[08:02] <pradeepto> Riddell: let me just get some more l10n ppl into this.
[08:02] <Riddell> pradeepto: of course
[08:03] <pradeepto> Riddell: I will be posting about this to KDE India mailing list too. Let them fight over it.
[08:03] <pradeepto> Riddell: And talk to ubuntu-in guys too.
[08:04] <pradeepto> Riddell: but frankly I am not much interested if they are not happy with it. Sorry if I sound rude or something.
[08:04] <pradeepto> Riddell: I hope you understand my point here.
[08:06] <cmvkk> can anyone help me?  The very first option I get (besides what keymap to use) when booting the liveCD is a diologue box telling me to change my root password immediately.
[08:07] <cmvkk> unfortunately it requires the old password which I don't have.  when I click cancel, it shows me a login screen with username and password boxes, and nothing I use there works.
[08:09] <Riddell> pradeepto: sure that's their problem, my point is just that it's important for kubuntu communities to communicate with ubuntu communities
[08:10] <Riddell> so if they have a kde person they know where to send them, and if we get someone with an X problem or gnome issue we know where to send them
[08:10] <pradeepto> Riddell: thanks and I understand, I will surely do so.
[08:10] <dumezil> xmms just stopped playing music and i went to restart it and its complaining that the soundcard is locked...  which soundcard driver is better to use: alsa or oss?
[08:10] <pradeepto> Riddell: got your point loud and clear.
[08:11] <pradeepto> Riddell: when this thing comes through unofficially in a week or two please help it get some official status. I will be personally thankful for that :)
[08:17] <Riddell> pradeepto: yeah, totally, we can put it on kubuntu.org, fridge and my blog
[08:17] <weedar> dumezil, ALSA is newer and preferred
[08:18] <pradeepto> Riddell: very cool! thanks! :)
[08:18] <cmvkk> does anyone have any information on this?  can anyone tell me if the kubuntu livecd is supposed to prompt me for a new username and password during setup, at least?  anything would be useful.
[08:20] <silje> what do i need to compile superkaramba?
[08:21] <Riddell> cmvkk: no, it doesn't prompt
[08:22] <silje> what do i need to compile superkaramba? Please help me out here:)
[08:23] <Riddell> silje: superkaramba is available in universe
[08:23] <silje> Riddell: what do i need to edit in /etc/apt/sources.list ? To get it work i mean:)?
[08:24] <silje> coudnt find package superkaramba:(
[08:24] <_gustaf> how do I switch caps lock and control?
[08:24] <douglas> How do I tell my computer to rout it's internet connection through a device say from wlan0 to eth0?
[08:25] <silje> douglas: /etc/network/interfaces - Edit it
[08:25] <silje> :)
[08:25] <douglas> that's it?
[08:26] <silje> please anyone, i realy want superkaramba. I need to know what line to add into /etc/apt/sources
[08:26] <silje> douglas: yes
[08:26] <weedar> silje, this should probably be enough: deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse
[08:26] <douglas> Ok, here's another one, let's say I changed sound cards from the onboard to a sblive, how do I make kubuntu pick that up?
[08:26] <silje> weedar: thx very much, will trie now:D
[08:29] <douglas> Ok, here's another one, let's say I changed sound cards from the onboard to a sblive, how do I make kubuntu pick that up?
[08:29] <weedar> deja vu
[08:30] <kosh> I would have thought that just rebooting would do it
[08:30] <kosh> since the sblive driver is part of the system and it will get loaded on startup
[08:30] <kosh> the only issue I can think of is you will have to reset the mixer levels since it will start off muted most likely
[08:30] <_gustaf> found it :-)
[08:31] <douglas> ag
[08:32] <douglas> It did pick it up :)
[08:32] <douglas> Now if I could only route interweb from my laptop with wifi to my new box that I'm trying to set mythtv up on. BTW: the routing is temporary. :)
[08:33] <mikearthur> how do I get kaffeine able to play mp3s?
[08:34] <cmvkk> if the kubuntu livecd setup doesn't have me enter a new username and password, what do i type in when it prompts me for one after boot?
[08:37] <pulver> cmvkk: boot failsafe mode and set/add user, passw?
[08:39] <patrix> wooo here I am, KDE 3.5.1!
[08:41] <renewip> how can I install unicode fonts for my Konsole in Kubuntu?
[08:48] <cmvkk> pulver: failsafe mode?  i'm not seeing that as an option.
[08:48] <nuky> is there a j2sdk how to for kubuntu online? i'm having trouble finding one..
[08:48] <cmvkk> i tried to boot as expert and then got at a shell, but useradd and passwd didn't exist as commands to run.
[08:48] <cmvkk> just live, live-powerpc, rescue, live-expert, etc...
[08:48] <nuky> *J2SDK Installation HOW-TO
[08:52] <pulver> cmvkk, i meant recovery mode, as a grub boot option, sry...
[09:00] <Snake__> Hey guys
[09:01] <gustaf_> how do I configure Konversation to use iso-8859 instead of utf-8?
[09:03] <gustaf_> never mind,I'll use xchat instead
[09:18] <pm> dupa
[09:19] <spool> hi! first of all sorry for my english
[09:19] <spool> mi sound system has crashed, and it notifies me in a popup, over and over
[09:20] <pm> sorry about my dupa
[09:20] <pm> i mean polish ;P
[09:20] <spool> does anybody knows how could i find the problem?
[09:25] <p_k> hey
[09:25] <p_k> ive got a problem with the flash player @ opera ...
[09:25] <p_k> it is listed 2 times ! in "opera:plugins" but doesnt work :/
[09:27] <p_k> no idea ? :/
[09:27] <uniq> i think opera got a web forum for support and questions like that.
[09:28] <uniq> my.opera.com
[09:30] <p_k> yes but i thought maybe one of you here had the same problem and solved it :(
[09:32] <uniq> i use konqueror for all my web needs.
[09:35] <Kyral> Konqueror for Web
[09:35] <Kyral> Krusader for files (if not Terminal)
[09:35] <Kyral> oh anyone know a good place for Kicker Apps?
[09:36] <Datsunzoso> hey guys
[09:43] <pulver> hello
[09:43] <celerate> hi
[09:44] <celerate> Can anyone tell me if EasyUbuntu is safe to use with Kubuntu, or is it particular to ubuntu? I'd rather not have it install any GTK apps or cause things to become unstable
[09:45] <Kyral> It should work
[09:45] <Kyral> and whats wrong with GTK...sheesh
[09:46] <celerate> I didn't say there was anything wrong with GTK, I just don't like it
[09:46] <Kyral> lol
[09:46] <celerate> I'm a KDE/Qt purist
[09:46] <Kyral> I jump between WMs on a monthly basis
[09:47] <Kyral> to keep things fresh :D
[09:47] <celerate> I tried, I really did, but I just don't like the way Gnome and GTK do things
[09:47] <Kyral> hehe
[09:47] <lubo> hello, can anyone recommend LAN wireless PCMCIA card which 100% works with dapper?
[09:47] <Kyral> Uhh
[09:48] <celerate> Ubuntu has done a fantastic job with optimizations though, it runs like greased lightning on my dad's old 500 mhz 128 ram system
[09:48] <Kyral> my...damnit what brand is it
[09:48] <Kyral> Look for an Athereos based card
[09:48] <Kyral> then you can use MadWifi
[09:48] <Kyral> Lets see
[09:48] <lubo> Kyral: that was for me?
[09:49] <Kyral> In the past month I have used....Fluxbox, GNOME, XFCE, Enlightenment, and now KDE
[09:49] <Kyral> lubo: yah
[09:49] <trpr42> lubo: i found http://prism54.org/ to be useful when trying to pick a wifi card.
[09:49] <lubo> I have a look...
[09:50] <lubo> so you recommend MadWifi?
[09:50] <celerate> hmm, how about an atheros ar5212, I think that's what mine is. Last time I tried kubuntu it wouldn't work as long as I was using WEP. Now I use WPA and TKIP and I'd like to know if that'll work
[09:50] <Kyral> I have an Athereos card in this machine and an Athereos card in my laptop and they both work with MadWifi
[09:51] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:51] <celerate> around here I have to use some kind of encryption, everyone has wireless networks and everyone knows how to "accidentally" connect to anyone elses
[09:51] <celerate> hmm, whats madwifi? I'm very new to wifi in Linux
[09:51] <Kyral> The Atheroes WiFi Drivers
[09:51] <celerate> and do they come with Kubuntu?
[09:51] <Kyral> They come with Ubuntu in general
[09:52] <celerate> might be worth a try, although if they're the same ones I used before they didn't work
[09:52] <Kyral> To me Ubuntu is the base system
[09:52] <celerate> yeah, but how many people call Ubuntu + Gnome Gubuntu?
[09:53] <Kyral> No one :P
[09:53] <Kyral> If you REALLY wanna get technical
[09:53] <lubo> I'm new in Wifi...can anyone paste complete URL with recommendation here.. please.
[09:53] <Kyral> Ubuntu could be considered Debian + GNOME :P
[09:54] <celerate> Heh, I'm not a fan of Debian or Gnome, but somehow Ubuntu and Kubuntu appeal to me
[09:54] <Kyral> I run Debian Sid on my laptop for the time being
[09:54] <Snake__> Is "Craft" any good?
[09:54] <Snake__> Anyone?
[09:54] <Kyral> Though I plan to nuke it to try Gentoo's new installer
[09:54] <trpr42> celerate: if you are a fan of kubuntu, you are a fan of debian. it is that simple
[09:54] <Kyral> My poor laptop
[09:54] <celerate> heh, I'm done distro hopping, I'm just looking for one I like now to stick with
[09:55] <Datsunzoso> lol
[09:55] <celerate> trpr42: No, NEVER! ;-)
[09:55] <trpr42> celerate: i wouldn't read too much into names, brands, labels... ;)
[09:55] <Kyral> this semester it has had Ubuntu Breezy, Ubuntu Dapper, Xubuntu, OpenSuSE, Fedora Core 4, LFS(kinda), and now Debian Sid
[09:55] <Datsunzoso> i went to winehq and it states that wine doesnt want to be considered a windows emulator .... but when u run the program it it says that its a  windows emulator! irony! :P
[09:55] <celerate> I really don't like Debian, every debian distro I've tried hasn't lasted a month except for Ubuntu, I put it on my dad's computer and it's working very well, it's nicely polished too
[09:56] <Kyral> I should put Slackware back on it just for fun :D
[09:56] <carsten> ive problems with kaudiocreator can anyone help?
[09:56] <trpr42> celerate: ubuntu is debian based.. apt is the debian package management system.. installation of kubuntu is as easy as installation a package via apt on a debian sid. should tell you something about how closely related they are
[09:56] <celerate> heh, I've got a collection of well over a hundred or so distribution CD's from two years back or older
[09:57] <Kyral> To me, Debian and Ubuntu share a mutual relationship
[09:57] <Kyral> or rather are two sides of the same coin
[09:57] <Kyral> Debian to me will always be choice over Ubuntu for Servers
[09:57] <Kyral> while Ubuntu will be my Desktop preference
[09:58] <carsten> i cant create wave files out of copy controll - protected audio cds. any fix for this?
[09:58] <Kyral> ICK! DRM
[09:58] <celerate> trpr42 thanks a lot buddy, now I have to recognize reality again ;-p
[09:58] <Kyral> carsten: Don't buy DRM'd CDs
[09:58] <trpr42> celerate: yeah. i deal with it all day :(
[09:58] <Kyral> Boycott the RIAA's unfair practices!
[09:58] <carsten> Kyral: yeah, but i have no choice.
[09:58] <Kyral> FOR FREEDOM!
[09:58] <celerate> I have had very bad experiences with 90% of the debian based distributions I've tried
[09:59] <carsten> i guess it is basically a "broken" toc. is there a way to "fix" that?
[09:59] <celerate> do FSF members really carry cards?
[09:59] <Arcanimus> 'lo all
[09:59] <Kyral> Yah we are supposed to get a bootable business card lol
[10:00] <ryanakca> the most recent update is making my hard-drive make funny sounds :S Any idea on what I should do?
[10:00] <celerate> what does it run?
[10:00] <Kyral> celerate: no clue
[10:00] <Kyral> I haven't gotten mine :P
[10:00] <celerate> probably damn small linux, haha ;-)
[10:02] <celerate> I'm reluctant to put kubuntu on my laptop until I find out if the wireless + wpa will be supported
[10:02] <celerate> there's a live cd isn't there?
[10:03] <Kyral> Okay, anyone know how to make Konqueror stop trying to open directories with a Text Editor when I click on them in Tree View?
[10:04] <celerate> in the configuration for konqueror you should be able to change that under file associations
[10:04] <celerate> or just right click and try "open with"
[10:04] <carsten> so, i guess that means there is no help for kaudiocreator?
[10:04] <Kyral> Why is Mousepad before Konqueror?
[10:04] <Datsunzoso> Its not who I am, but what I doooooo that defines me (say that in a lisp)
[10:06] <pm> kde is gay
[10:06] <trpr42> pm: lol. weren't you just trolling in the other channel too?
[10:07] <trpr42> slow day or something
[10:07] <celerate> spring break in some places
[10:07] <pm> yeah, it was me :)
[10:07] <pm> you can't deny it - kde sucks
[10:08] <pm> you know this? http://www.deathball.net/notpron/
[10:08] <celerate> pm: Gnome blows
[10:09] <pm> xfce rules!
[10:09] <celerate> balance is restored to the world
[10:09] <osh_> who cares about DE's anyway?
[10:09] <celerate> obviously not you
[10:10] <Datsunzoso> how do i shut wine down when it behaves bad :(
[10:10] <celerate> I care though
[10:10] <celerate> I dunno about this one, but you could try `killall wine`
[10:11] <osh_> celerate: I care about being productive. then I go for whatever I feel comfortable with. "this is better" "no that is better" is just stupid. Spend some time on something that's actually worth something instead.
[10:11] <Kyral> ...why the hell was Mousepad associated with Directories?
[10:12] <osh_> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4446981554735098778
[10:12] <celerate> that's an old one
[10:13] <osh_> not for me. I found it amusing. =)
[10:13] <celerate> yeah, it's still funny
[10:13] <pm> you know why kde is gay?
[10:13] <pm> cuz it looks like windows which is totally gay
[10:14] <Kyral> I'll give you it kinda reminds me of XP
[10:14] <Kyral> then again I have realized that I don't hate the XP interface(Much) I hate the engine of XP :P
[10:15] <Kyral> pm: C'Mon, one thing that Linux should teach us is that the GUI isn't everything :P
[10:16] <pulver> pm: to me xfce wout transperancy looks like bloated gnome.. so isnt it great to be able to choose
[10:16] <trpr42> bleh. why do you give this guy the attention he desires :p
[10:18] <celerate> heh, I thought that warcraft porn song would have kept him busy for a while
[10:18] <Kyral> Because its fun to smack him down
[10:19] <pm> of course it isn't everything
[10:19] <pm> but it's a lot
[10:19] <Kyral> No
[10:20] <Kyral> I can work just fine without X
[10:20] <Kyral> Its the core of the OS
[10:20] <Kyral> KDE, GNOME, XFCE, they would all blow if they were on XP as it is
[10:21] <celerate> heh, so many people say desktop environments resemble windows, but if having a mouse and something to click with it makes things look like Windows then so be it
[10:21] <pm> which distro do you use/
[10:21] <celerate> besides, I do believe KDE really looks like the Xerox GUI and Mac OS
[10:21] <Kyral> pm:  Me?
[10:21] <Kyral> MetaBuntu
[10:21] <pm> yes you
[10:22] <Kyral> The only thing that defines my install as Ubuntu instead of Debian is the repos I pull from
[10:22] <Kyral> on my Server I run Xen Breezy with Debian Sarge and Debian Etch XenGuests (All Headless)
[10:23] <Kyral> on my laptop ATM I have Debian Sid
[10:23] <celerate> someone likes Debian :-)
[10:23] <Kyral> Nah I was bored lol
[10:23] <Kyral> Debian is quick and clean for servers
[10:23] <celerate> me too, but I've diverted my attention towards contributing to a distro rather than switching every week like I used to
[10:23] <Kyral> I'm gonna put Gentoo on my laptop to try the new Installer as soon as I get my hands on a blank CD
[10:23] <pm> i use gentoo
[10:24] <pm> i just switched from ubuntu
[10:24] <Kyral> celerate: I am Ubuntu Member. My Production Box will always have Ubuntu
[10:24] <celerate> neat :-)
[10:24] <celerate> I don't touch debian based because I don't know how to make debs
[10:24] <Kyral> celerate: "MetaBuntu" is my way of saying that my box is a mixture of packages from all over the Repos
[10:24] <celerate> I do volunteer work on RPM based ones
[10:24] <pm> ubuntu is for babies :P
[10:24] <Kyral> I maintain two packs in Dapper Universe and one in Debian Main
[10:25] <Kyral> pm: Would you like to know my credentials?
[10:25] <celerate> pm, is that why you're here (couldn't resist ;-) )
[10:25] <Kyral> Started on Slackware 10 back about 2-3 years ago on my laptop
[10:25] <pm> and as a consequence kubuntu is for gay babies :)
[10:25] <Kyral> Moved to Gentoo as a freshman in college
[10:25] <celerate> pm, stop with the bio, please ;-)
[10:26] <celerate> just joking, but you are asking for it
[10:26] <Kyral> After I got tired of compiling for 20 horus every time I broke my system (which I like to do as I feel its the best way to learn)
[10:26] <Kyral> I tried Fedora Core (2 at the time?)
[10:26] <pm> why are you so serious, dudes?
[10:26] <Kyral> didn't like it (Because it wouldn't boot)
[10:26] <celerate> If I was serious I wouldn't be joking
[10:26] <pulver> pm: was LFS too hard for you :)
[10:26] <trpr42> pm: life sucks and then you die.. hurry up already
[10:26] <Kyral> my CS TA gave me an Ubuntu Disc
[10:26] <Kyral> tried it and was hooked
[10:27] <Kyral> I tried the LFS Live Disc on my Laptop
[10:27] <Kyral> the GCC compiler wouldn't make the second pass
[10:27] <Kyral> anyway, my laptop this smester has had Breezy, Dapper, Debian Sid, OpenSuSE 10, and Fedora Core 4 on it
[10:29] <nrdb> I have setup another user for kubuntu, I then started a new session under that user, KDE won't make any sounds! I have added the new user to the audio group. can anyone help?
[10:30] <celerate> anyone know when I could expect the next version of Kubuntu?
[10:31] <Kyral> Same as Ubuntu Dapper
[10:31] <Kyral> April 20th
[10:31] <pm> celerate, soon
[10:31] <celerate> oh, next month
[10:31] <pm> exactly
[10:31] <Kyral> 6.04 :P
[10:31] <Tonio_> Kyral: 19th
[10:31] <Kyral> and I can't wait until the Repos for Dapper+1 open :D
[10:32] <celerate> I hope it'll support wpa with my wireless then, and I'll finally be able to ditch Windows from my laptop
[10:32] <pm> Tonio_,20th
[10:33] <weedar> celerate, your wireless isn't supported via ndiswrapper?
[10:33] <celerate> hey, what's the difference between the DVD and the CD for ubuntu 5.10?
[10:34] <Kyral> The DVD is a combined Live+Install?
[10:34] <celerate> oh, I don't need that. My bandwidth is capped
[10:34] <pm> Kyral, yes
[10:36] <carsten> kaffeine crashes if i try to record an mms stream. is that normal? (mms://195.14.240.139/extranet/Assets/11407/54342.wmv)
[10:36] <pm> kaffeine sucks, man
[10:36] <pm> use mplayer instead
[10:37] <osh_> celerate: I use wpa with my lappy.
[10:37] <carsten> pm i have a different opinion. kaffeine + gstreamer + xine is really good. plays a lot. if sth doesnt work (ie .mkv files) i use vlc.
[10:38] <carsten> mplayer stutters and doesnt work smooth ( on my machine )
[10:38] <pm> is vlc open source?
[10:38] <carsten> www.videolan.org
[10:38] <osh_> kaffeine crash for me. or it won't play things. I go for mplayer or vlc. kaffeine is prettier. the other two work.
[10:38] <carsten> i dont know if it is gnu - oss but you can dl the source i think
[10:39] <celerate> osh_, do you use dnswrapper or is that with the Linux drivers?
[10:39] <osh_> celerate: you mean ndiswrapper don't you? No, this is with the linux drivers.
[10:39] <carsten> pm, i just checked vlc is gnu.
[10:40] <celerate> yeah, I guess I do
[10:40] <celerate> I'm confusing my networking terms
[10:40] <osh_> celerate: It's some intel-chip. 2200BG (rev 05)
[10:40] <celerate> I've got an Atheros AR5212
[10:41] <celerate> last time I tried Kubuntu 5.10 it wouldn't work with WEP, but now I use WPA (TKIP) instead and I'm hoping it will work
[10:41] <osh_> celerate: why not use ndiswrapper and the windows drivers? doesn't that work?
[10:41] <celerate> I couldn't find the windows drivers
[10:41] <celerate> the laptop came with a restore DVD
[10:41] <osh_> celerate: they come with the wireless card don't they?
[10:42] <celerate> it's integrated
[10:42] <osh_> celerate: and there's no .inf file in windows that you know of?
[10:42] <celerate> I think there might be one that gets restored with windows in a folder
[10:42] <celerate> I'll have a look
[10:43] <osh_> I'm thinking about helping out with upgrading kubuntu. Is there some wiki somewhere on how to do that? I've been rolling rpm's at work for about a year now and .debs can't be that different.
[10:44] <osh_> I've searched some but couldn't find anything relevant.
[10:44] <carsten> if anyone is interested i fixed the "copy controlled" cd - rip problem. I just added a dvd-burner in an external firewire case to my system and put the audio cd in there. result : KDE opened konquerer with the cd-tracks, and i could just copy them from there. it looked like the dvd-burner automagicaly fixed the broken toc.
[10:45] <celerate> there's an installer, some cabs and some ini and inx files
[10:45] <carsten> so i guess its -> Mute records 0 : KDE(with help from NEC) 1
[10:45] <osh_> celerate: nothing that looks like a wireless inf-file?
[10:46] <celerate> I dunno, I might have to do through the Windows system folders
[10:46] <carsten> osh_: their copy protections are basically useless. one part of them only works under win, all the other "protections" are broken tocs, that are normaly auto-repaired from more expensive drives.
[10:47] <osh_> celerate: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972&page=2
[10:48] <osh_> celerate: looks like an instruction on how to get your card to work under linux.
[10:48] <tidalwav1> Hi, people, I'm running flight 4 and trying to install build-essential, but it 'has no installation candidate'...why?
[10:49] <osh_> carsten: Yes but why should I bother. It's easier to get them from the net now. If they give me what I want, I'll buy. If not, fsck em.
[10:49] <tidalwav1> why is build-essential uninstallable :(
[10:49] <osh_> carsten: I've got a cd that I can't put on my lappy and it pisses me off. Last cd I'll ever buy that has copy protection.
[10:50] <cycus_zwisus> hi
[10:50] <osh_> cycus_zwisus: hello
[10:51] <HymnToLife> copy protected CDs ar the only ones I allow myself to download
[10:51] <cycus_zwisus> is it true that kde is gay? ;)
[10:51] <osh_> cycus_zwisus: yes
[10:51] <carsten> osh_: i understand that. i am buying cds mainly for 2 reasons. 1. i can sell them on ebay if i dont like them anymore, and secondly i dont like the itunes DRM stuff. In other words, i can rip the audio cd as often as i want, and copy it for my car or whatever
[10:51] <HymnToLife> plus the Portnoy ones released by Magna Carta :D
[10:51] <carsten> cycus_zwisus: gay as a day in may
[10:52] <cycus_zwisus> oh my (G)osh_!
[10:52] <tidalwav1> yeah dream theater :D
[10:52] <HymnToLife> lmao carsten
[10:53] <carsten> i wonder if it is allowed to DL the new madonna album (ie) from itunes and burn it on 3 cdrs (which is allowed) and then sell the 3 cdrs on ebay. it should be legal i assume.
[10:53] <tidalwav1> nobody can tell me why I can't install build-essential? :P
[10:54] <HymnToLife> tidalwav1> error message ?
[10:54] <HymnToLife> carsten> it would be
[10:54] <HymnToLife> buy no one would ever buy em :p
[10:54] <tidalwav1> Hymn: Package build-essential has no installation candidate
[10:55] <HymnToLife> tidalwav1> obviously your sources.list is f***ed up
[10:55] <tidalwav1> I can show you my /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin if you want
[10:55] <HymnToLife> please
[10:55] <tidalwav1> I don't know what I'm missing
[10:55] <cycus_zwisus> incontentia buttocks
[10:55] <tidalwav1> I have universe and multiverse enabled
[10:55] <tidalwav1> k, h/o
[10:55] <bushito> java
[10:55] <bushito> !java
[10:55] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[10:55] <cycus_zwisus> incontentia buttocks <- is this correct spelling?
[10:56] <HymnToLife> yeah it seems so
[10:56] <HymnToLife> but what the bloody hell is that ?
[10:56] <cycus_zwisus> didn't you watch life of brian?
[10:57] <tidalwav1> hymn: nvm, turns out a line at the top was commented out by the installer, and I totally missed that :p
[10:57] <HymnToLife> obviously not
[10:57] <cycus_zwisus> what a shame!
[10:57] <cycus_zwisus> are you american?
[10:57] <HymnToLife> tidalwav1> it works now ?
[10:57] <HymnToLife> nope
[10:58] <tidalwav1> hymn: not sure yet, I'm doing apt-get upgrade before I do anything else, trying to install nvidia drivers, so I want the latest everything before I attempt that :p
[10:58] <cycus_zwisus> frog-eater?
[10:58] <carsten> are here any native english speakers around? i need help with the sentence "Inquiring minds wants to know". what does that mean?
[10:58] <HymnToLife> why do you need build-essential for nvidia drivers ?
[10:58] <tidalwav1> to patch them
[10:58] <HymnToLife> hmm
[10:58] <tidalwav1> carsten: it should be "Inquiring minds want to know."
[10:59] <HymnToLife> and why do you need to patch them ?
[10:59] <cycus_zwisus> HymnToLife, are you frogeater?
[10:59] <HymnToLife> the Ubuntu drivers worked like a charm for me
[10:59] <tidalwav1> hymn: no idea, just following http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper
[10:59] <carsten> ic
[10:59] <HymnToLife> oh ok, running Daper
[10:59] <tidalwav1> it has something to do with the kernel module sucking
[10:59] <tidalwav1> I said flight 4 originally :p
[10:59] <HymnToLife> cycus_zwisus> so what ?
[11:00] <cycus_zwisus> this is  why you didn't watch life of brian
[11:00] <HymnToLife> ??
[11:00] <HymnToLife> I can't se any connection here
[11:01] <cycus_zwisus> french people don't understand good english humour
[11:01] <carsten> xp boots on macbookpro -> http://img.mathcaddy.com/xponamac.jpg
[11:02] <celerate> hey, would a .sys file be a driver I could use with ndiswrapper?
[11:02] <HymnToLife> just beause french humour sucks ass doesn't mean some french people cannot understand good humour :)
[11:02] <tidalwav1> celerate: nope, only .inf file
[11:02] <cycus_zwisus> do you see connection now?
[11:02] <celerate> lol @ carsten
[11:02] <cycus_zwisus> monty python's life of brian is a masterpiece!!
[11:03] <HymnToLife> carsten> what's the point in instaling a crappy O S instead of another crappy OS ?
[11:03] <celerate> choice ;-)
[11:03] <HymnToLife> cycus_zwisus> will you thro pointing objects at me if I tell you I've never seen any Monty Python movie yet ?
[11:03] <carsten> HymnToLife: because its possible.
[11:04] <cycus_zwisus> HymnToLife, yes i will :P:P:P
[11:04] <celerate> ok, I've got a net5211.inf file, is there only one .inf file that I'll need or might there be several?
[11:04] <HymnToLife> well, I have just little experience with Mac OS
[11:04] <allee> bobesponja: fwiw here are even more screenshots of advanced feature of next digikam release: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/2006-March/001107.html
[11:04] <HymnToLife> but it's not much better than Windows for me
[11:05] <HymnToLife> I've told myself for ages I had to see some
[11:05] <bobesponja> allee: thanx :)
[11:05] <HymnToLife> but never did for some reason
[11:06] <cycus_zwisus> anyway there was a guy named biggus dickus whose wife's name was incontentia buttocks :)
[11:06] <allee> bobesponja: first beta planed end of this month (roughly)
[11:06] <tidalwav1> cycus: "sorry, bignose"
[11:07] <ziza> question: how harmful is it to plug in a normal IDE harddisk to a running Linux system? does it depend on your motherboard?
[11:07] <HymnToLife> ziza> you mean, while the system is running ?
[11:07] <ziza> while it is running, yes
[11:08] <ziza> i'm reading a small chapter on LVM, and I was just curious about this
[11:08] <allee> ziza: IDE is by design not hotplugable, so you risk damaging your mainboard/disk.  Better use a IDE<->USB adaper. It's hotplug
[11:09] <ziza> ok, thought as much
[11:10] <ziza> the next time i install Linux (Kubuntu) i'm gonna probably use LVM
[11:12] <bobesponja> ziza: what is lvm?
[11:12] <ziza> Logical Volume Manager
[11:13] <bobesponja> ziza: and what does it do?
[11:13] <ziza> it allows you to dynamically modify "Logical Volumes", in particular while your system is running
[11:14] <ziza> a Logical Volume can be figuratively seen as a Partition
[11:14] <ziza> so you can define a LV for your root folder, for your home folder etc.
[11:15] <bobesponja> ziza: i see, I saw the option when I installed kubuntu but I had no idea what it meant
[11:15] <bobesponja> sounds interesting though
[11:15] <ziza> i hadn't either the first time i installed ubuntu
[11:16] <ziza> which i "upgraded" to kubuntu later because i like KDE better
[11:16] <ziza> i used the default partition configuration when i had installed ubuntu. i was an absolute novice concerning Linux
[11:17] <pm> ziza, are you gay?
[11:17] <ziza> are you silly?
[11:18] <pm> is your desktop wallpaper pink?
[11:19] <ziza> well, no
[11:19] <pm> this is the gayset phrase i've heard today -> because i like KDE better
[11:19] <ziza> hm, does it make you happy to make such an assertion?
[11:19] <pm> gayest*
[11:20] <pm> no, it doesn't
[11:20] <redguy> pm is this conversation supposed to be in #kubuntu?
[11:20] <h1dd3nh4xx0r> ^^
[11:21] <slow-motion> 
[11:21] <pm> hi, redguy
[11:22] <pm> why shouldn't it be?
[11:23] <redguy> pm: beacause this channel is for support and perhaps for kubuntu related talk
[11:23] <ccc_> pm: please leave, you obviously have no business here
[11:24] <pm> redguy, kde is the most essential part of kde, isn't it?
[11:24] <pm> of kubuntu*
[11:24] <redguy> pm: and surely not for the kind of conversation you started
[11:24] <pm> you are too serious, guys
[11:24] <_mindspin> nope
[11:25] <pm> yes you are
[11:25] <redguy> well, if it was supposed to be a joke, it was not funny at all
[11:26] <celerate> I'm with redguy on that one, just calling people names doesn't make you a champion comedian
[11:26] <_mindspin> and "I like KDE better " is a reason one can have to use kubuntu
[11:27] <pm> just calling people names -> i wonder where?
[11:27] <_mindspin> for me its just I#m used to kde
[11:27] <mike_____> how to I get amarok to be able to play MP3s?
[11:27] <HymnToLife> !mp3
[11:27] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[11:27] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:27] <mike_____> cheers
[11:27] <celerate> mindspin, there's no need to justify why you use it. KDE is good software
[11:28] <trappist> Glin|Jol: please turn that off.
[11:28] <_mindspin> I don't need do justify, I want to open pm's eyes to other perspectives
[11:28] <_emmanuel> I have a suggestion for the bin in kubuntu : why is it necessary to left click it to empty it, and not right click, like for any other objects to open their contect sensitive menus ?
[11:29] <ziza> because it's kind of a drop down menu button
[11:29] <HymnToLife> _emmanuel> in french we say "so that idiots have something to talk about" ;)
[11:29] <callie> _emmanuel, i totally agree, i always right click it first
[11:29] <_emmanuel> ziza: yes, that's the point
[11:30] <_emmanuel> merci HymnToLife ;-)
[11:30] <pm> gay love is one of the perspectives?
[11:30] <ziza> it has a tiny arrow to indicate this
[11:30] <HymnToLife> pm> you getting banned is another
[11:30] <_emmanuel> I know ziza, but I just mean, like callie, that I always click it right first
[11:30] <_mindspin> no the look and feel of a GUI
[11:31] <ziza> i see, but it's a habit of yours, you just have to get used to it :)
[11:31] <pm> this is the only thing you can do -> ban somebody
[11:31] <_mindspin> !ignore
[11:31] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[11:32] <HymnToLife> it works pretty well on people like you
[11:32] <HymnToLife> the only thing you can do i stalking about nonsense
[11:32] <_emmanuel> ziza : I find it not consistent with the rest of the GUI : if I want to make an action with the wallpaper, I right click on it, and then I get a dedicated menu with what I can do with it
[11:32] <HymnToLife> I dunno which one is worse...
[11:32] <celerate> pm, it's the appropriate thing to do. If you're just going to troll why not ban you so the channel can be put to better uses than your entertainment
[11:33] <Chousuke> I wonder what KDE4 will really be like
[11:33] <ziza> on the contrary, it is consistent with the GUI
[11:33] <Chousuke> it's quite hyped already.
[11:33] <HymnToLife> Chousuke> when is it to be released ?
[11:33] <Chousuke> HymnToLife: no idea.
[11:33] <_mindspin> on my wishlist would be betterperformance, less eyecandy
[11:33] <celerate> I'm hoping the performance will be as good as it is today, it seems the next wave of desktop's are going to hog resources
[11:33] <Chousuke> _mindspin: my wishlist includes both
[11:33] <_emmanuel> ziza: left click on a folder > it opens it
[11:34] <HymnToLife> like when you want to open the K menu, do you right click on it ?
[11:34] <celerate> the 3D and whatnot might be too much for my laptop to handle
[11:34] <Chousuke> _mindspin: eye candy can be optional, you know :)'
[11:34] <_mindspin> yup
[11:34] <_emmanuel> ziza: right click on it > it pop up a menu with what you can do with it
[11:34] <ziza> _emmanuel: the bin button is of the same type like the K Menu button or the System settings button
[11:34] <ziza> it's not a folder
[11:34] <celerate> _mindspin, better performance is on both our lists. Mind you the performance now is still good compared to any other comparable desktop environment
[11:35] <_emmanuel> ziza: it is one
[11:35] <Chousuke> I don't know if it's just good good advertising, but the gnome people seem to be improving gnome's performance.
[11:35] <Chousuke> -good*
[11:35] <celerate> I'd love to see OS X style eye candy that will still run well on my laptop, but I think I'll need a ram upgrade for tha
[11:35] <_mindspin> I know it also depends on the used hardware, mine is not the fastest
[11:35] <Chousuke> celerate: not nexessarily.
[11:36] <_emmanuel> ziza: it is an emptyzable folder
[11:36] <Chousuke> celerate: if they put the eye candy on the video card :)
[11:36] <ccc_> _emmanuel: there is a trash folder, but the panel entry is not a folder.
[11:36] <ziza> what are the system requirements for Xgl? i mean like GPU RAM...
[11:36] <celerate> my video card is integrated and shares the ram with the rest of the system
[11:36] <Chousuke> ziza: 32MB?
[11:36] <Chousuke> ziza: it shouldn't require much
[11:37] <Chousuke> depends what you're going to do with it of course.
[11:37] <ziza> wow, i'd really love to have that running on my system
[11:37] <ziza> afte i've seen a 10 min video on it
[11:37] <Chousuke> the only problem is lack of accelerated 3d on linuc
[11:37] <ziza> i just couldn't believe my eyes :D
[11:37] <Chousuke> linux*
[11:37] <Chousuke> nvidia is not free, so it's not a true solution.
[11:37] <ziza> i know about that, but acceleration works fine for me with nvidia CS drivers
[11:37] <Chousuke> ati free drivers also kind of suck still :/
[11:37] <_emmanuel> Is Firefox 1.5 and Thunderbird 1.5 included in the next kubuntu version ?
[11:38] <celerate> what other good video cards are there that have decent drivers for Linux?
[11:38] <Chousuke> Matrox? :P
[11:38] <_mindspin> it should afaik
[11:38] <celerate> never heard of them
[11:38] <Chousuke> radeon 9250 and older
[11:38] <Chousuke> some intel chips I think
[11:38] <Tm_T> Nvidia!
[11:38] <Chousuke> nvidia is non-free
[11:38] <Chousuke> it matters to some :)
[11:39] <celerate> ok, let me rephrase that. How many good gaming video cards are there besides Nvidia that work well enough with Linux?
[11:39] <Chousuke> none?
[11:39] <Tm_T> celerate: uh, r9200 works ;(
[11:39] <Chousuke> all new atis require crappy binary drivers too
[11:39] <cycus_zwisus> will there be kde - non gay edition?
[11:39] <Chousuke> cycus_zwisus: Will you leave? :P
[11:40] <cycus_zwisus> ok, that was just a joke :P:P:P
[11:40] <ziza> i installed Ubuntu Dapper Drake Flight 4 today on a virtual system (vmplayer), cause i wanted to test Xgl. but unfortunately VMWare generally has no support for 3D acceleration
[11:40] <Tm_T> cycus_zwisus: what?!
[11:40] <Tm_T> !xgl
[11:40] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[11:40] <_emmanuel> celerate: I'm a gamer, and I'm afraid Linux is not the best for games right now :-(
[11:40] <callie> cycus_zwisus, is pm
[11:40] <cycus_zwisus> and i'm afraid it won't be
[11:40] <celerate> I suspected as much
[11:41] <Chousuke> I'm able to game all I want with Linux
[11:41] <cycus_zwisus> yes, it's me pm
[11:41] <celerate> Chousuke, what games?
[11:41] <celerate> cadega?
[11:41] <Chousuke> celerate: Deus Ex, Civ3, stuff like that
[11:41] <celerate> I'm hoping cadega will run NFS: HP2 and Rise of Nations
[11:41] <celerate> eh, I don't like CIB
[11:41] <Chousuke> I don't care about newer games that much
[11:41] <celerate> CIV
[11:42] <celerate> I'm always a few years behind
[11:42] <HymnToLife> as long as I have Frozen Bubble, I'm happy :D
[11:42] <celerate> I do have AOE III though, but it's crap
[11:42] <Chousuke> Deus ex is ~98 iirc.
[11:42] <cycus_zwisus> cedega is a commercial software
[11:42] <h1dd3nh4xx0r> Beneath a steel sky - playing here ^^
[11:42] <Chousuke> hah. yeah
[11:42] <_emmanuel> Chousuke: do you know Metaboli ?
[11:42] <Chousuke> no.
[11:42] <HymnToLife> FB should be installed by default
[11:43] <Chousuke> Frozen Bubble is TEH addictive.
[11:43] <_emmanuel> Mmm... perhaps it's only available in France, then... :-(
[11:43] <Chousuke> but it gets old as soon as you play it through.
[11:43] <celerate> I like fb, supertux is ok until I get stuck, and there was the one in SUSE that was like a 3d block breaker, but I forgot what it was called
[11:43] <celerate> I used to love BZFlag but all the kids ruined it
[11:43] <ziza> i played FB until level 79 (or so) the first time :)
[11:43] <Chousuke> oh, and then there's ADOM :p
[11:43] <celerate> never heard of that one
[11:44] <Chousuke> non-free, but still the best roguelike ever.
[11:44] <celerate> Have you ever seen thinktanks?
[11:44] <celerate> the graphics are cartoonish, but it's fun
[11:44] <_emmanuel> Chousuke: I bought one *excellent* game, native for Linux
[11:44] <_emmanuel> Chousuke: Darwinia
[11:44] <Chousuke> Gish?
[11:44] <celerate> unfortunately when I tried running it with Ark Linux the graphics flickered really badly and parts of the terrain wouldn't render
[11:44] <Chousuke> hee
[11:44] <ziza> you guys should be watching out for The Elder Scrolls - Oblivion, i know it's not gonna run on Linux, but it's awesome i tell ya
[11:44] <Chousuke> I've heard of that.
[11:44] <HymnToLife> celerate> cartoonish graphics kick ass
[11:45] <Chousuke> Did you know that you can buy Uplink's source code on a CD?
[11:45] <Chousuke> iirc it was about 30 dollars.
[11:45] <_emmanuel> Chousuke: I bought Uplimnk also in a bundle with Darwinia, but I haven't played it yet
[11:46] <celerate> I was playing the Demo, I'm poor right now
[11:47] <Chousuke> Uplink is fun
[11:47] <_emmanuel> I play quite a lot, but I buy almost all my games second hand.
[11:47] <Chousuke> And I need sleep.
[11:47] <Chousuke> Good night.
[11:48] <_emmanuel> But for exceptions like Darwinia, where I want to support them to develop for Linux, I buy the new games
[11:48] <_emmanuel> Good night Chousuke
[11:48] <ziza> goon night
[11:49] <ziza> so _emmanuel, did you get over the bin button thingy? :)
[11:49] <celerate> heh, Windows won't shut down, I think it knows there's an ubuntu CD in the drive
[11:49] <h1dd3nh4xx0r> lol, Frozen bubbles rocked :D
[11:50] <HymnToLife> it still does
[11:50] <ziza> so you mean it's kinda afraid that you gonna replace it with ubuntu? :)
[11:50] <HymnToLife> heh despite apparences
[11:50] <HymnToLife> Windows _is_ kida inteligent
[11:50] <HymnToLife> at least it has the basic self-conservation instanct :D
[11:51] <HymnToLife> instinct*
[11:51] <celerate> kind of afraid is an understatement
[11:51] <HymnToLife> celerate> give it a hard reboot
[11:51] <celerate> bah, selfe preservation. This is why I don't want DRM on my computer, some day Windows is going to tell me it won't reboot until the Linux CD is out and the drive is locked
[11:51] <HymnToLife> and show it WHO is the master in here :D
[11:52] <celerate> yeah, I had to hard reset in the end
[11:52] <ziza> lol
[11:52] <_emmanuel> ziza: I am still convinced it is a GUI discrepancy. I don't speak further aboutit here, that's all ;-)
[11:52] <ziza> do you know what's funny about my windows?
[11:52] <celerate> it actually works ;-)
[11:52] <HymnToLife> there are curtains on it ?
[11:52] <_emmanuel> lol
[11:53] <ziza> haha
[11:53] <ziza> no, it (the OS) freezes temporarily if i insert a cd into my cd recorder
[11:53] <ziza> no reaction until i remove it again...
[11:53] <celerate> that used to happen to me, it's just slow that's all
[11:54] <HymnToLife> that is definitely _not_ funny
[11:54] <celerate> it used to depend on the CD though
[11:54] <ziza> but i can reproduce it with just any cd
[11:54] <ziza> windows just dislikes my recorder :(
[11:54] <HymnToLife> useful though
[11:55] <ziza> as in how?
[11:55] <HymnToLife> to show people once and for all that windows stinks
[11:55] <ziza> rofl yeah
[11:55] <ziza> it does other weird things
[11:55] <celerate> do you have a dual core or single core processor?
[11:55] <ziza> like completely freezing when i try to play particular QuickTime movie files
[11:55] <HymnToLife> th only weird thing mine does is working actually good
[11:56] <ziza> single core, amd athlon
[11:56] <_emmanuel> I just switched back from Suse 10.0 to Kubuntu
[11:56] <celerate> my dual core p4 is the first processor I've had windows running where it didn't freeze for a second or two when a CD was inserted
[11:56] <HymnToLife> as long as I do not visit porn sites <= min reason I switched to Linux :D
[11:56] <celerate> I don't know if there's really any connection though, as the entire computer except the drives were new
[11:56] <celerate> my brother bricked his compaq going to porn sites
[11:56] <celerate> I can still fix it, there's nothing wrong with the bios or hardware, just the OS
[11:57] <HymnToLife> yeah, always have a ghost image of a fresh windows at hand
[11:57] <ziza> can you imagine, i'm able to play 4 movies concurrently on Linux, but Windows can't even cope with two!
[11:58] <ziza> not that it's quite useful to do that
[11:58] <HymnToLife> if you have 4 monitors
[11:58] <_emmanuel> ziza : movies on Linux are always a nightmare with every new install :-(
[11:58] <HymnToLife> and have 3 friends who each want to see a different movie
[11:59] <celerate> ziza, yeah I can imagine it
[11:59] <HymnToLife> I don't think any linux user actually has 3 friends though :/
[11:59] <celerate> my dad's running a computer around 6+ years old and it doesn't run Windows 98 as well as it does ubuntu
[12:00] <_emmanuel> HymnToLife: lol
[12:00] <celerate> HymnToLife: rofl
[12:00] <ziza> i'm still driving my first install...
[12:00] <HymnToLife> congrats ziza
[12:00] <celerate> HymnToLife: thanks a lot man, I was happy before remembering that
[12:00] <HymnToLife> my first install died on me 2 minuts after
[12:00] <ziza> really? how come?
[12:01] <HymnToLife> when I went "What ? No root password ?! What a crappy distro, I'm installing FC back"
[12:01] <_emmanuel> HymnToLife: same for me : I made about 4 or 5 installs the first month I tried Linux
[12:02] <ziza> the only thing i wish i had done differently is that i should have set up a system with LVM, but at the moment i installed linux the first time i had absolutely no idea about this subject
[12:02] <_emmanuel> ziza : you might be not conscious of it, but you behave not the same when you know an OS
[12:03] <HymnToLife> what is LVM ?
[12:03] <Snake__> ziza: LVM?
[12:03] <Snake__> lol
[12:03] <ziza> lol
[12:03] <_emmanuel> I don't crash windows xp, and I don't crash Linux anymore neither