[12:43] <zul> heylo
[12:45] <mjg59> BenC: Ok, no problem
[11:04] <purpleidea> the newest updates to dapper flight 4 seem to WORK with a brand new inspiron 9400 laptop and SMP is available. don't know if it was you, but if you want me to send you some lovely debugging output, let me know, or i'll also be on the laptop testing team
[11:04] <crimsun> meaning kernel 2.6.15-17.26?
[11:06] <purpleidea> actually .24 although i hadn't played with it in a week or so because of exams so i'm not explicitly saying .24 was the first to work. but it hadn't been for a lot of people for a while
[11:17] <airlied> fg
[11:17] <airlied> doh..
[11:17] <airlied> fg
[12:24] <Lathiat> Hi guys - can anyone clarify the reason for the 2/2 address space split?
[12:26] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2006-February/000678.html
[12:28] <Lathiat> thanks
[03:54] <Mithrandir> BenC: 27862 ; why can't it be built-in?
[03:55] <BenC> because having them built-in is against our whole modular kernel design
[03:56] <BenC> if it's built-in and it is causing a problem, it cannot be unloaded
[03:56] <BenC> or blacklisted
[03:59] <Keybuk> if it's not built-in, it can't be loaded automatically though
[03:59] <Keybuk> which means we force-load it through things like /etc/modules
[03:59] <Keybuk> which ignores the blacklist
[04:06] <Mithrandir> and on the live cd in a way which means there's no way around it.
[04:06] <Mithrandir> it's not a problem to just load it, I'm just not sure it's a good idea
[04:09] <mjg59> BenC: So the 2+2 split seems to be breaking other stuff as well
[04:09] <mjg59> I think we ought to go back to 3+1 and then try to fix hibernate
[04:13] <BenC> yeah, I'm doing that for 18.27, since it's an ABI bump anyway
[04:15] <BenC> Keybuk, Mithrandir: building it in is, IMO, worse than it not loading, or having to force load it through /etc/modules
[04:15] <BenC> there are a lot of mac sound chips that aren't really supported, and loading it causes all kinds of weirdness when it attempts to access false gpio's
[04:16] <BenC> it doesn't really make things really bad off when it loads under those chips, but it looks really bad (lots of stuff in kern.log) and would be impossible to get rid of if built-in
[05:45] <mjg59> BenC: Looks like getting the smart battery driver in was a good move - the Macbooks have them