[04:38] <Spec> How do I translate UTC time to EST? ^.^
[04:38] <MarioMeyer> UTC-4?
[04:39] <MarioMeyer> just type: date --utc
[04:39] <MarioMeyer> and it will show UTC time on your computer
[04:39] <MarioMeyer> then u do the math
[04:41] <Spec> any other way? :p
[04:42] <MarioMeyer> ask someone who is in EST ? :P
[04:42] <Spec> hehe
[04:43] <Spec> so, if it's 10:45EST, 03:45UTC, then 12:00UTC would be 05:00EST ?
[04:43] <MarioMeyer> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[04:44] <MarioMeyer> nope 7:00 EST
[04:44] <MarioMeyer> 5 hour difference, isnt it?
[04:44] <MarioMeyer> u want to know the CC meeting time?
[04:44] <MarioMeyer> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3&day=7&year=2006&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[04:45] <Spec> bah
[04:45] <Spec> i knew that
[04:45] <Spec> i'm bad at clock math :p
[04:45] <Spec> so the meeting is at 7am
[04:46] <Spec> i have a convention to attend to, to further the use of ubuntu that i'll need to leave for at around 7:45, and i'm applying to become a ubuntu member
[04:46] <Spec> (FOSE)
[04:54] <MarioMeyer> hummm... you are last on the agenda
[04:54] <MarioMeyer> you should put a remark saying u might have to leave early
[05:01] <MarioMeyer> gtg, Spec ... g'luck tomorrow..
[05:18] <Spec> on the wiki?
[05:19] <Spec> done
[12:18] <phanatic> hi people
[12:19] <G0SUB> phanatic :)
[12:19] <phanatic> G0SUB: prepared? :)
[12:19] <G0SUB> phanatic I am thinking about backing off :)
[12:21] <phanatic> G0SUB: no way back from here :P
[12:21] <rob> ?
[12:21] <G0SUB> rob we have put ourselves for membership :)
[12:22] <rob> oh I see
[12:22] <rob> good luck :)
[12:22] <G0SUB> rob thanks !
[12:31] <MarioMeyer> morning all..
[12:31] <phanatic> hello MarioMeyer
[12:32] <G0SUB> MarioMeyer :)
[12:43] <raphink> hi guys
[12:43] <G0SUB> raphink hello!
[12:43] <raphink> :)
[12:44] <MarioMeyer> heya raphink 
[12:44] <raphink> hi MarioMeyer
[12:47] <jelkner> morning flint
[12:47] <flint> jelkner, excellent, where is Wheeler?
[12:51] <jelkner> i don't know
[12:51] <jelkner> it isn't 7 yet
[12:52] <rob> is on my clock
[12:52] <jelkner> rob: 6:52 am
[12:52] <rob> well, 10 pm at least
[12:52] <raphink> 7 minutes before meeting on my clock
[12:52] <G0SUB> yep
[12:53] <flint> you all sound like the old SGI time protocol :^)
[12:53] <raphink> huh?
[12:54] <flint> raphink, the old Silicon Graphics IRIX system used to get on the wire and the machines would argue and vote to sync the time on the ethernet segment.... no kidding.
[12:54] <raphink> ah 
[12:54] <raphink> lol
[12:54] <flint> yo Kevin!
[12:55] <kjcole> flint, grrrr.
[12:55] <MarioMeyer> flint, that still used for some distribution computing..
[12:55] <sivang> hi all
[12:55] <sivang> CC meeting now?
[12:55] <highvoltage> flint: howdy
[12:55] <G0SUB> sivang :)
[12:56] <sivang> G0SUB: hey there :)
[12:56] <MarioMeyer> sivang, according to raphink CC meeting in 3 minutes :P
[12:56] <flint> highvoltage, excellent morning to you from Vermont Jonathan...
[12:56] <Spec> oh god
[12:56] <kjcole> sivang,  so  claimeth  the calendar.
[12:56] <Tonio_> hello all
[12:56] <flint> kjcole, it is early eh?
[12:56] <Spec> i didn't get any sleep, i couldn't get to sleep all night :-/
[12:56] <highvoltage> flint: and an excellent afternoon to you from Cape Town, Mr Flint
[12:56] <kjcole> flintn, exactly.
[12:57] <sivang> flint: in Cape Town? cool
[12:57] <flint> kjcole, boy I picked a bad morning to give up Heroin... :^)
[12:57] <flint> kjcole, try coffee
[12:58] <flint> sivang, actually I am in Vermont, on one side of the world and Jonathan Carter is on the other, in Cape Town SA.
[12:58] <flint> sivang, and in fact is is cooler in Vermont.
[12:58] <sivang> flint: I can imagine :) I liked .ca when I visited there during UBZ
[12:59] <sivang> although I had seen only Montreal
[12:59] <Seveas> isn't it friggen early in vermont?
[12:59] <Spec> The wilderness is better
[12:59] <spacey> hi
[12:59] <MarioMeyer> heya Seveas 
[12:59] <Seveas> hi
[12:59] <flint> Seveas, is is MF'ing early in VT and DC...
[01:00] <Spec> agreed
[01:00] <jelkner> flint: nah, i've been up for hours ;-)
[01:00] <kjcole> flint: So, wither the young Mr. Wheeler?  (Or is he here incognito?)
[01:00] <flint> jelkner, Jeff, everyone knows you are a mutant...
[01:00] <jelkner> Spec: is mr wheeler
[01:00] <Spec> indeed
[01:01] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga :)
[01:01] <flint> Spec, excellent... good morning...
[01:01] <Spec> when're you headed towards FOSE kjcole?
[01:02] <jelkner> Spec: thanks for the great work you did on the website!
[01:02] <kjcole> Spec,  I *WAS* going to shower and head out early.  People said things open at 9:00 but I was guessing  8:00... However, a phone call woke me, and I'm here instead. ;-)
[01:02] <Spec> hehe
[01:03] <Spec> I'm going to head out at 7:45, I'm meeting ndanger at microcenter at 8-8:15
[01:03] <G0SUB> minghua !
[01:03] <minghua> hello G0SUB 
[01:03] <kjcole> Spec: I haven't checked out your handiwork yet.  (I got into IRC and haven't done anything else yet.)
[01:03] <MarioMeyer> heya jerome
[01:04] <simira> is the CC present yet?
[01:04] <Kamion> afternoon folks
[01:04] <sivang> simira: that's what I was wondering :)
[01:04] <Kamion> dunno about elmo, he had a very long day yesterday+the-day-before
[01:04] <Seveas> hi Kamion 
[01:05] <flint> flint, is flint
[01:05] <jsgotangco> hi MarioMeyer !
[01:05] <raphink> hehe
[01:05] <gora> gora is Gora Mohanty, from India
[01:06] <rob> everyone seen the uncyclopedia entry?
[01:06] <sivang> Kamion: you in the london sprint as well? might be useful to get someone from there to get him to IRC client :)
[01:06] <simira> yes, nice :)
[01:06] <jsgotangco> heya silbs 
[01:06] <Kamion> sivang: I was there yesterday, but not today
[01:06] <simira> hi silbs 
[01:06] <silbs> hi jsgotangco
[01:06] <Seveas> rob - please stay on topic during the meeting (ok, didn't start yet but practice makes perfect)
[01:06] <sivang> Kamion: ah, k
[01:06] <sivang> hey silbs :)
[01:06] <rob> Seveas, yeah just waiting
[01:08] <flint> hey boys and girls, it is 07:07 here in the Frozen North, when does this parlay start?
[01:08] <jsgotangco> when we complete a council
[01:08] <mdke> flint, when the council arrives
[01:09] <Seveas> Kamion is doing his best to have them poked
[01:10] <rob> done that about an hour ago :)
[01:11] <simira> please repeat
[01:11] <rob> simira, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[01:11] <jsgotangco> :P
[01:12] <highvoltage> where's the agenda stored again?
[01:12] <simira> rob: yeye, I know how to read. But I don't see much difference from last meeting... I thought there ought to be other topics as well
[01:12] <rob> highvoltage, that link above
[01:12] <Kamion> sabdfl will not be here; I'll phone elmo
[01:12] <Kamion> unfortunately it seems a bit implausible that we'll get mako at this time, although I can try
[01:12] <flint> it is no doubt in my mind that the community council is meeting over lunch...:^)
[01:13] <raphink> hehe
[01:13] <rob> flint, not everywhere in the world it is lunch
[01:13] <Kamion> no reply from elmo's phone
[01:13] <Kamion> flint: that would work better if we were all in the same place ...
[01:13] <Spec> rob: yes it is
[01:13] <Kamion> (sabdfl sent apologies, BTW)
[01:13] <flint> rob, in fact only at GMT is it lunch...
[01:14] <rob> thats right
[01:14] <sivang> simira: you also in LOndon?
[01:14] <ompaul> flint, na its too early midday 15?
[01:14] <Kamion> and of course I can't find mako's phone at the moment because obviously he isn't on the Canonical phone list any more. bugger.
[01:14] <gora> Well, I am having lunch here at GMT+05.30
[01:14] <simira> sivang: no, Oslo. GMT +1
[01:14] <Kamion> Um. This might not work very well.
[01:14] <imtheface> mako missing?
[01:14] <G0SUB> hehe
[01:14] <imtheface> :)
[01:14] <sivang> Kamion: you're the only persistent CC member that's always on :)
[01:14] <raphink> it's lunch time for most europeans
[01:15] <Kamion> imtheface: 7am for him by my calculations
[01:15] <Spec> he's in my timezone
[01:15] <Kamion> although IIRC he was OK with the time
[01:15] <Kamion> mako isn't full-time on Ubuntu any more though, so it's not always feasible for him to turn up
[01:15] <Kamion> why don't we go over matters which don't require a vote, and I'll attempt to fly solo
[01:16] <jelkner> question:  will we be discussing the "Member candidates for consideration"?
[01:16] <Kamion> I believe that's just the IRCops thing
[01:16] <Seveas> Kamion, and locoteams
[01:16] <rob> yeah, pretty much
[01:16] <Kamion> jelkner: if we don't have quorum, that's pretty hard
[01:16] <jelkner> ahh
[01:16] <azeem> mako went to bed 6 hours ago, it seems
[01:16] <jelkner> i'll need to leave to teach
[01:16] <jelkner> i wanted to go on record in support of nick wheeler
[01:17] <Spec> thanks, have fun teaching :p
[01:17] <flint> Kamion, you could resolve to vote later, nominate on contingency of a vote.
[01:17] <Seveas> flint, with only one present that's icky
[01:17] <Seveas> s/one/one CC member/
[01:17] <SteveA> Kamion: http://mako.cc/contact.html
[01:17] <Kamion> flint: we could do, but we'd be voting later anyway. FWIW all the proposed members look qualified to me
[01:18] <flint> Kamion, flint goes on record to endorse wheeler as a MOTU
[01:18] <Kamion> Seveas: ah, thanks
[01:18] <MarioMeyer> heya segfault 
[01:18] <jsgotangco> this isn't a Technical meeting
[01:18] <Kamion> er
[01:18] <segfault> mariomeyer: morning :)
[01:18] <Kamion> SteveA: ah, thanks
[01:19] <Kamion> tried mako's phone, got voicemail
[01:19] <ompaul> Kamion, the mobile is the shortest route to mako
[01:19] <Kamion> ompaul: that's the one I tried
[01:19] <ompaul> ahh
[01:19] <Kamion> ok, let's go over this IRC ops issue
[01:19] <Kamion> is Robert Stoffers here?
[01:19] <rob> yes
[01:19] <Seveas> rob is him
[01:19] <Kamion> ah, that's you
[01:20] <Seveas> rob is Freenode Staff, ubuntu member and docteam person - 
[01:20] <Kamion> what other active Australian ops do we have? IIRC from the last meeting that our coverage there was wea
[01:20] <Kamion> k
[01:20] <Seveas> we have no other active ops in that area
[01:20] <Seveas> bob2 is MIA, ajmitch isn't active in #ubuntu
[01:20] <Kamion> jelkner: thanks, BTW - noted your support
[01:21] <Kamion> daniels is more or less MIA now too
[01:21] <spacey> mia?
[01:21] <Seveas> missing in action
[01:21] <Kamion> well, fooishbar as he is on the ops list
[01:21] <ompaul> thoreauputic when he can get a moment
[01:21] <jelkner> Kamion: great, thank you
[01:21] <Seveas> daniels hasn't been active in there in quite a while
[01:21] <rob> as a freenode staffer I can take cloaks directly, sort out problems quickly, get in direct contact by phone with freenode head of staff (Rob Levin)
[01:21] <azeem> jdub?
[01:21] <apokryphos> not that active in #ubuntu
[01:22] <Seveas> rob, hah, I have lilos pager/phone too ;)
[01:22] <azeem> if you allow a side question, is there a mechanism to page ops if needed as in #debian?
[01:22] <sivang> MIA sounds so military :)
[01:22] <Seveas> azeem, !ops in the channel
[01:22] <Kamion> I see very little reason to object to somebody who's in the position of being *both* network staff and an Ubuntu member :-)
[01:22] <azeem> Seveas: ok
[01:22] <rob> heh, I have his and his other halfs mobiles :)
[01:22] <Seveas> Kamion, ny thoughts exactly
[01:23] <jsgotangco> we're very much near a monopoly then
[01:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:23] <Kamion> so please go ahead and give rob #ubuntu channel operator privileges
[01:23] <rob> thanks :)
[01:23] <Seveas> I think rob can do that himself ;)
[01:23] <ompaul> hehe
[01:23] <Hobbsee> in #ubuntu as well, that is
[01:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:23] <rob> no, needs approval from jdub or someone else who works at ubuntu
[01:23] <Kamion> technical ability and operational permission are different, as any sysadmin will know ...
[01:23] <Seveas> rob, I am channel/group contact - consider this approval
[01:23] <rob> ah, when did that change?
[01:24] <apokryphos> some time ago
[01:24] <Seveas> less than 2 weeks ago
[01:24] <apokryphos> oh :-O
[01:24] <Kamion> rob: I'm Canonical staff and a CC member, so that should do too
[01:24] <rob> sounds good to me
[01:24] <Seveas> group contact a few months ago
[01:24] <apokryphos> ah yes
[01:24] <Seveas> Kamion, I'd like to reject the other suggestion (ubuntu/member/* as op) 
[01:24] <rob> never mind anyway, I'm thinking of a cloak (you can just add me to your access list Seveas) 
[01:24] <ogra> Seveas++
[01:24] <Kamion> Seveas: I have to agree with you on that, as I mentioned on the wiki
[01:24] <Kamion> is jpatrick here?
[01:25] <jsgotangco> whitelist doesn't work always
[01:25] <MarioMeyer> Seveas++
[01:25] <Seveas> -ChanServ- [rob]  has been added to the access list for #ubuntu with level [10] 
[01:25] <rob> thanks Seveas 
[01:25] <Kamion> obviously any member can be considered as an op, but I don't want the two concepts to be identical
[01:25] <apokryphos> Kamion: doesn't seem to be on IRC atm
[01:25] <rob> I think it would be a very bad idea to allow every member ops in #ubuntu
[01:25] <Kamion> well, the note is on the wiki for him
[01:25] <Kamion> locoteams
[01:25] <Kamion> smurf: here?
[01:25] <Seveas> Kamion, by that reasoning all ubuntu members should be forum administrators too 
[01:26] <rob> just make them show up here at a meeting, and get the nod
[01:26] <MarioMeyer> if all members were ops we could have a LOT of people applying for membership only to get ops.
[01:26] <Seveas> MarioMeyer, true that
[01:26] <rob> thats true too
[01:26] <Kamion> Seveas: exactly
[01:26] <apokryphos> some do with that in mind, anyway.
[01:26] <rob> and a lot of people are just not suitable for it anyway
[01:26] <azeem> since when is being ops fun, anyway?
[01:26] <rob> its not :)
[01:26] <Seveas> ok, I consider it rejected - I'll ask jpatrick for his side of the reasoning and maybe put it back on the agenda
[01:26] <Spec> for the record, i don't want to be an op on irc :p
[01:27] <Kamion> thanks
[01:27] <spacey> i surely don't want to be an irc op :p
[01:27] <Seveas> locoteams
[01:27] <Seveas> G0SUB, indianteam
[01:27] <rob> ok, I'm off to bed, bye
[01:27] <highvoltage> poeple who have @hotmail.com accounts want to be ops, usually.
[01:27] <G0SUB> Seveas yes
[01:27] <apokryphos> azeem: it's a common thing; if you're in a community for some time, it's not so farfetch'd to see ops as an elite participant in the community. Some people like the concept of more power. ;-)
[01:27] <smurf> Kamion: somewhat
[01:27] <G0SUB> Can I paste an introduction?
[01:28] <flint> apokryphos, some people want to eat the sausage, and not know how it is made...
[01:28] <Seveas> G0SUB, please do (about the inian team - not yourself)
[01:28] <G0SUB> yes ...
[01:28] <G0SUB> Hello, we are here to apply for `official status' for the Indian LoCo
[01:28] <G0SUB> Team. We have done quite a lot of work for both Debian & Ubuntu in the
[01:28] <G0SUB> past and have worked on issues related to Indic Computing. Our members
[01:28] <G0SUB> continue to contribute to the two projects in terms of localisation and
[01:28] <G0SUB> development. Most of us have worked for Debian as a part of the
[01:28] <G0SUB> Debian-IN Team. For example, soumyadip here is the maintainer of
[01:28] <G0SUB> ttf-indic-fonts & numerous Indic aspell dictionaries for both Debian &
[01:28] <G0SUB> Ubuntu. gora has done a great amount of Oriya translations
[01:28] <G0SUB> (https://launchpad.net/people/gora-mohanty), I am the maintainer of the
[01:28] <G0SUB> Debian Graphical Installer Bengali Translations and a member of Ubuntu
[01:28] <G0SUB> Bengali Translations Team (https://launchpad.net/people/g0sub). svaksha
[01:28] <G0SUB> co-wrote the Sanskrit (sa) Locale with Christian Perrier, and there are
[01:28] <G0SUB> a lot of other members who have contributed a lot in terms of l10n and
[01:28] <G0SUB> bug reports, and not to mention advocacy and distributing CDs.  So here
[01:28] <G0SUB> I would request the CC team to grant the Indian LoCo Team official
[01:28] <G0SUB> status and let us continue our work as the LoCo Team for India.
[01:28] <G0SUB> ...
[01:29] <Kamion> whoa, big intro
[01:29] <Seveas> good intro
[01:29] <G0SUB> hehe
[01:29] <G0SUB> a big country :)
[01:29] <Seveas> How many members does your team have?
[01:29] <Kamion> how's Ubuntu been received in India?
[01:29] <G0SUB> Kamion Ubuntu is almost #1 in India
[01:29] <Kamion> I know that the installer's been weak on many Indian languages due to console limitation
[01:29] <jsgotangco> ive seen pics of sabdfl swamped by locals during his tour in india
[01:29] <Kamion> s
[01:29] <G0SUB> Seveas we have 15+ people if you consider translators
[01:29] <gora> Seveas: 23 signed up at last count: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndianTeam
[01:29] <Kamion> hopefully that will change with the live CD installer (and I hope we can get testing and translations from you guys)
[01:30] <G0SUB>  of all languages
[01:30] <Seveas> G0SUB, not bad!
[01:30] <Kamion> G0SUB: almost #1> whom do we still need to beat? :)
[01:30] <G0SUB> hehe
[01:30] <Seveas> I really like that the team is active in both Debian and Ubuntu
[01:30] <gora> Kamion: Le chapeau rouge
[01:30] <Kamion> ah, predictable
[01:30] <G0SUB> Seveas we have Debian-IN project specifically for this ...
[01:31] <Spec> (Where can I find a list of existing LoCos?)
[01:31] <gora> Not to mention that most of us also work for IndLinux (http://indlinux.org) language teams, though this is not an official IndLinux project at the moment.
[01:31] <Kamion> Is there anything you guys need help with?
[01:32] <Seveas> Spec, LocoTeamList on the wiki
[01:32] <G0SUB> Kamion we need infrastructure like a website, mailing lists, ubuntu-in.org, etc.
[01:32] <G0SUB> Kamion I have mailed Henrik Omma about that already
[01:32] <Kamion> as I understand it smurf generally can/does deal with a fair bit of that
[01:32] <G0SUB> yes, smurf too
[01:33] <Kamion> although he does a sufficiently good job that I have remained blissfully unaware of the details :-)
[01:33] <Kamion> if there's a delay on mailing list creation, contact jdub
[01:33] <Seveas> mailing lists  jdub, ubuntu-CC.org  smurf
[01:33] <G0SUB> Kamion and there are a few things, like a few apps with Indic specific patches ... we would like to have them in Ubuntu
[01:33] <Seveas> website: your own responsibility afaik -- does Ubuntu/Canonical offer hosting?
[01:33] <G0SUB> Seveas they do
[01:34] <Kamion> G0SUB: perhaps you could put together a hit-list somewhere and post a URL to that list to #ubuntu-devel
[01:34] <Kamion> Seveas: linode
[01:34] <G0SUB> Kamion yes, we are already working on putting together a list
[01:34] <Kamion> (iirc)
[01:34] <MarioMeyer> Kamion, serverponto also
[01:34] <G0SUB> it's Linode and is provided by Henrik Omma according to the wiki
[01:35] <Kamion> ok, I see no problem with granting the Indian team official status, if smurf is happy with how things are going
[01:35] <G0SUB> :)
[01:35] <jsgotangco> the linodes are not available anymore
[01:35] <G0SUB> oh
[01:35] <jsgotangco> what we have are server prontos
[01:35] <Kamion> smurf: if you can deal with that out of band, that'd be great
[01:35] <Kamion> next up is the Chinese team
[01:35] <freeflying> Kamion: locoteam stuff past?
[01:36] <jsgotangco> we can work it out later
[01:36] <gora> Cool, thanks.
[01:36] <freeflying> Kamion: hi
[01:36] <G0SUB> jsgotangco great!
[01:36] <G0SUB> Kamion thanks!
[01:36] <Kamion> freeflying: would you like to give an introduction with what you guys have been doing?
[01:36] <Kamion> and anything you need help on
[01:36] <freeflying> Kamion: will we ChineseTeam be confirmed 
[01:36] <freeflying> Kamion: about ubuntu-cn locoteam
[01:37] <Kamion> yes, I know what your request is. :-)
[01:37] <Kamion> are there other Chinese team folks here as well?
[01:37] <freeflying> Kamion: no 
[01:37] <Kamion> unfortunately I cannot read the web site to try to get an idea of activity, organisation, how well the Chinese team is getting along internally, etc.
[01:38] <jsgotangco> is there a -cn channel in freenode?
[01:38] <freeflying> jsgotangco: #ubuntu-cn
[01:38] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[01:38] <Kamion> raphink: language => zh, country => CN
[01:38] <freeflying> ubuntu-zh@lists.ubuntu.com 
[01:38] <raphink> Kamion: thanks
[01:39] <freeflying> our website : www.ubuntu.org.cn
[01:39] <freeflying> wiki.ubuntu.org.cn
[01:39] <freeflying> archive.ubuntu.org.cn
[01:40] <freeflying> Kamion: so , how about all these for being confirmed ?
[01:40] <Kamion> ok, unfortunately I cannot really get any useful information from those without speaking Chinese
[01:41] <Kamion> I need somebody to be able to talk with me about your team's activity levels, what you've been doing, and how Ubuntu is getting along in China
[01:41] <freeflying> Kamion: Riddell can 
[01:41] <Kamion> Riddell isn't a member of the Chinese team, surely?
[01:41] <raphink> hehe
[01:41] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:41] <freeflying> Kamion: but he know we have done for ubuntu
[01:42] <jsgotangco> but Riddell has been very helpful on the chinese team 
[01:42] <jsgotangco> especially that cd
[01:42] <Kamion> I think I need to have a few more folks from the Chinese team here
[01:42] <silbs> Kamion: if I may, from an email I have a list of some things the Chinese team have done
[01:42] <silbs> I'm going to paste, if that's okay
[01:42] <Kamion> silbs: sure, I'm just uncomfortable with a single guy showing up :-)
[01:42] <silbs> 1.    Resolved OOo2 crash while input chinese.
[01:42] <silbs> 2.    Submit skim and scim input method into Kubuntu and Ubuntu repo.And resolved the compatibility between them.
[01:42] <silbs> 3.    Merge some GPL CJK fonts into a "Free CJKunion" font.Covert some chinese TTF into vector fonts.
[01:42] <silbs> 4.    Added a new BugReport system on forum.
[01:42] <silbs> 5.    Actived two mailling list : ubuntu-zh@lists.ubuntu.com and http://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-cn
[01:42] <silbs> 6.    Released a better fontsconfig for chinese users.It resolved bold and italic fonts show in chinese.
[01:43] <silbs> and I believe they are planning to have a dapper release party
[01:43] <Kamion> freeflying: have you made any progress on resolving differences within the Chinese team on such things as SCIM support details?
[01:43] <ogra> freeflying, whee, you are silbs-monitored .... :)
[01:43] <silbs> there are, Ibelieve, about 6 active members in the team
[01:43] <silbs> and interest is growing
[01:43] <jsgotangco> freeflying, do you know EricNeon?
[01:44] <freeflying> jsgotangco: ya
[01:44] <jsgotangco> hmm he's not around at the moment though
[01:44] <Kamion> is there a bug report for that improved fontconfig?
[01:44] <freeflying> Kamion: actrually , now is the dinner time for we here now , so guys can not access irc
[01:44] <EricOSfire> hello ~
[01:44] <silbs> Kamion: I'm not sure what LoCo team decision criteria are, so don't know if this is enough. But I do think these guys represent the most active community presence we have in China
[01:44] <Kamion> freeflying: ok, I realise timings aren't always ideal
[01:44] <jsgotangco> oh there he is
[01:45] <freeflying> EricNeon|CNteam: Kamion wanna know something f our team
[01:45] <EricNeon|CNteam> good
[01:45] <freeflying> EricNeon|CNteam: so plz , say something 
[01:46] <EricNeon|CNteam> Kamion , nice to meet you !
[01:46] <Kamion> likewise
[01:46] <Kamion> 12:36 < Kamion> freeflying: would you like to give an introduction with what you guys have been doing?
[01:46] <Kamion> 12:36 < Kamion> and anything you need help on
[01:46] <Kamion> silbs has given me some comments about what you've been doing already
[01:46] <Kamion> how is Ubuntu getting along in China?
[01:47] <EricNeon|CNteam> ng~
[01:47] <jsgotangco> its a big place :)
[01:47] <Spec> I have to go, I'll try to make it to the next meeting. Gotta go promote Ubuntu at FOSE.
[01:47] <Spec> Hopefully there are more CCs next time :)
[01:48] <Seveas> bye spec
[01:48] <freeflying> Kamion: we are struggeleing advocateing ubuntu in china now 
[01:48] <flint> Spec, I take it that you are in nomination...
[01:48] <Kamion> Spec: sorry about that :-/
[01:48] <EricNeon|CNteam> Kamion,as you know, ubuntu china team have more then 5000 members
[01:48] <raphink> Spec: drop by on #ubuntu-motu some time if you wish to become a MOTU
[01:48] <Spec> Kamion: no problem, :p
[01:48] <jsgotangco> whoa
[01:48] <MarioMeyer> morning licio 
[01:48] <flint> Kamion, what is Wheeler's state at this time.
[01:48] <Spec> sober
[01:48] <Seveas> EricNeon|CNteam, 5000 members?!?
[01:48] <Seveas> woah...
[01:48] <Spec> that's quite a few members
[01:49] <Seveas> how many of them are active?
[01:49] <EricNeon|CNteam> Seveas: absolutely!
[01:49] <jsgotangco> in china, everything is big
[01:49] <licio> MarioMeyer, good :-)
[01:49] <EricNeon|CNteam> heh~
[01:49] <jsgotangco> its beating texas
[01:49] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:49] <Kamion> EricNeon|CNteam: as I didn't know, but thank you :-)
[01:49] <Kamion> flint: we have an agenda
[01:49] <ompaul> Seveas, picture this one in a million in China is one in 1400
[01:49] <freeflying> Kamion: shall i paste what we have done 
[01:50] <flint> Kamion, no disrespect, just asked what his status was at exit.
[01:50] <kjcole> I too am off to FOSE.  We've got 2500  Ubuntu CD's to hand out. ;-) (FOSE = Federal Office Systems Expo --  US federal government's biggest computer conference)
[01:50] <Kamion> flint: let's take this to /query to avoid disrupting a discussion in progress
[01:50] <EricNeon|CNteam> there are more then 30-50 members of core team 
[01:51] <Spec> (don't get me in trouble, flint.)
[01:51] <flint> Spec, I only advocate 100%.
[01:51] <Seveas> EricNeon|CNteam, that's quite nice - now if only you guys could make CJK rock ;)
[01:51] <Kamion> EricNeon|CNteam: that sounds like pretty good progress; how is the team getting along internally?
[01:52] <jsgotangco> they translated the whole site
[01:52] <jsgotangco> whoa
[01:52] <jsgotangco> even the partners page
[01:52] <Kamion> we should be able to get most of the scim changes into main fairly soon, which should help for CJK support
[01:53] <EricNeon|CNteam> we builded a power forum on website
[01:53] <freeflying> jsgotangco: wow, not the partners pages
[01:53] <freeflying> Kamion: scim is one of the goal of BetterCJKSupport
[01:53] <EricNeon|CNteam> and the core team members must online ervery day 
[01:53] <Kamion> I notice that there's a separate ubuntu-cn archive; are bugs filed for everything in there so that it can all eventually be merged back?
[01:54] <freeflying> jsgotangco: we host a wiki with ubuntu-tw and guy from hk for translate
[01:54] <raphink> jsgotangco: I like the cartoon on it... about what I can understnad ;)
[01:55] <freeflying> Kamion: we also have subteam for ubuntu-cn , such docteam websiteteam tecjnicalteam
[01:55] <jsgotangco> the forum has 6000 members
[01:55] <jsgotangco> with more than 53,000 posts
[01:56] <G0SUB> raphink http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[01:56] <spacey> its bigger then ubuntuforums? :P
[01:56] <jsgotangco> it just grew up on it own and became sustainable
[01:56] <Seveas> spacey, no 
[01:56] <spacey> ok, just checking :)
[01:56] <raphink> thanks G0SUB
[01:56] <G0SUB> raphink :)
[01:57] <spacey> i will definitely convert my chinese friends to ubuntu now :P
[01:57] <jsgotangco> 16,000 unique visits this march alone
[01:57] <freeflying> spacey: nice 
[01:58] <raphink> spacey: same here :)
[01:58] <Seveas> ubuntu-cn gets a big \o/ from me
[01:58] <EricNeon|CNteam> Kamion: we are happy to seen Chinese TW/CN/HK team will merge to one as one year ago,we will resole same problems 
[01:58] <Seveas> nice work as far as I can see
[01:58] <jsgotangco> their alexa rankings is increasing
[01:59] <jsgotangco> -s
[01:59] <Kamion> EricNeon|CNteam: that's certainly good news
[01:59] <EricNeon|CNteam> so we want build a ubuntu east develper center
[02:00] <jsgotangco> who sponsors your site?
[02:00] <EricNeon|CNteam> china and korea and japan~
[02:00] <freeflying> jsgotangco: ourself
[02:01] <Kamion> ok, after following up a bunch of links I'm reasonably happy that there's enough activity and organisation to make the Chinese team official (shame it's just me rather than other CC members as well though)
[02:01] <Kamion> can you coordinate with smurf on any general locoteam organisation issues you have?
[02:01] <Seveas> freeflying, congrats!
[02:01] <Seveas> keep up the good work
[02:01] <EricNeon|CNteam> we have not got any sponsor yet
[02:01] <freeflying> Seveas: thx
[02:01] <spacey> looks good indeed:)
[02:01] <Kamion> also, is there anything you need from the main Ubuntu organisation?
[02:01] <raphink> great :)
[02:02] <jsgotangco> i think the amout of traffic they generate they need to have a dedicated server
[02:02] <Kamion> other than "all CJK bugs fixed" ;-)
[02:02] <freeflying> Kamion: we need more support like server for ubuntu stuff
[02:02] <Kamion> we don't sponsor hardware for other localisation teams, so I'm not sure that's something that can happen
[02:02] <Kamion> we => Canonical
[02:02] <smurf> Indian+Chinese teams look good to me too -- sorry for not participating, I'm @work
[02:02] <G0SUB> smurf thanks :)
[02:03] <freeflying> Kamion: and the speend to ubuntu.com is also a problem for us 
[02:03] <Kamion> though obviously that's up to people other than me
[02:03] <G0SUB> smurf I have already mailed you ...
[02:03] <smurf> we have server space for European locos etc. if they need them
[02:03] <svaksha> thanks :)
[02:03] <EricNeon|CNteam> smurf: thank you !
[02:03] <Kamion> freeflying: I see that there's a cn.archive.ubuntu.com DNS alias; is it not working well?
[02:04] <Kamion> smurf: thanks for helping out there
[02:04] <freeflying> smurf: Kamion Our mirror often give errors like md5sun errors, due to the poor network condition 
[02:04] <EricNeon|CNteam> Kamion:because of government
[02:04] <Kamion> freeflying: that sounds like something that can be solved technically
[02:04] <jsgotangco> id say its the filtering
[02:04] <EricNeon|CNteam> or another things
[02:05] <freeflying> Kamion: anyway , thx 
[02:05] <Kamion> freeflying: could you arrange for the mirror admin to be put in touch with Znarl (Karl Tilbury), who deals with mirror admin at Canonical?
[02:05] <freeflying> Kamion: ok
[02:05] <Kamion> EricNeon|CNteam: the Chinese firewall is famous ;-)
[02:05] <G0SUB> hehe
[02:05] <spacey> Great Firewall
[02:05] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:05] <freeflying> Kamion: wow , you all know this issue
[02:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:06] <flint> EricNeon|CNteam, please feel free to contact me if I can be of any service in regards to networking issues (flint@flint.com)
[02:06] <freeflying> jsgotangco: thx a lot
[02:06] <Kamion> it comes up in the tech news every so often, yeah
[02:06] <raphink> the only firewall that can be seen from the moon
[02:06] <EricNeon|CNteam> flint:oh , I will ! thx a lot!
[02:06] <jsgotangco> freeflying, EricNeon|CNteam congrats
[02:06] <flint> EricNeon|CNteam, you are most welcome my friend.  
[02:06] <Kamion> ok, all sounds good - thanks for showing up, and apologies for the somewhat long discussion
[02:07] <Kamion> with my ftpmaster hat on, I'll have a look over the pending scim promotions to main
[02:07] <jsgotangco> cheers
[02:07] <freeflying> Kamion: thx ,and waiting for good news from you
[02:07] <Seveas> Kamion, maybe you could try and poke mako/elmo again now that we arrived at member candidates?
[02:08] <Kamion> sure, worth a try, bear with me a moment
[02:08] <freeflying> smurf: hi
[02:08] <Kamion> got elmo on the phone, he'll be here shortly
[02:09] <Seveas> cool
[02:09] <G0SUB> awesome
[02:09] <spacey> yay:)
[02:09] <freeflying> smurf: may we have the domainname www.kubuntu-cn.org
[02:09] <EricNeon|CNteam> :-)
[02:09] <MarioMeyer> freeflying, that you may ask to Riddell 
[02:09] <Kamion> aha, and got mako too
[02:09] <Kamion> we will have quorum shortly
[02:09] <jsgotangco> coooll
[02:09] <G0SUB> great!
[02:09] <ompaul> kewl
[02:10] <freeflying> MarioMeyer: really ?
[02:10] <jsgotangco> this will be a long meeting
[02:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:10] <Seveas> jsgotangco, that sometimes happens
[02:10] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:10] <Kamion> in the break before they get here, Hobbsee asked if she could be considered as an #ubuntu operator
[02:10] <spacey> good thing i make my own schedule
[02:10] <MarioMeyer> yup.. we got kubuntu-br.org a month ago or so..
[02:10] <Kamion> Does anyone have an opinion?
[02:10] <freeflying> MarioMeyer: then ask ogra for www.edubuntu-cn.org ?
[02:10] <ompaul> +1
[02:10] <smurf> freeflying: I can give you the data for the regsitration, but I'm not going to register 100+ kubuntu domains in addition to the ubuntu-XX:org ones
[02:10] <Seveas> -0
[02:10] <MarioMeyer> freeflying, prolly
[02:10] <Seveas> don't know her too well but no objection
[02:11] <ompaul> Seveas, what I have seen impresses me
[02:11] <Hobbsee> to give some background, i'm already an op in #kubuntu, #ubuntu+1, and #kubuntu-offtopic, and i'm also in australia.
[02:11] <Kamion> hi elmo
[02:11] <Seveas> ompaul, that's good enough for me
[02:11] <Hobbsee> i'm also usually connected to #ubuntu as well :)
[02:11] <Seveas> I never visit the #kubuntu channels 
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:11] <Seveas> Hobbsee, what's your timezone?
[02:11] <ogra> mako !
[02:11] <mako> greetings
[02:11] <Kamion> I have no objection to Hobbsee as an op. With rob as well, how does this leave our timezone coverage?
[02:11] <ompaul> mako, morning
[02:11] <EricNeon|CNteam> hi mako~
[02:11] <jsgotangco> mako!
[02:11] <flint> hey mako.
[02:11] <spacey> hi
[02:12] <Kamion> QUORATE
[02:12] <Seveas> raphink, poke riddell, the CC handles only #ubuntu
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ah...AEST - it's 12am wed here now
[02:12] <mako> apolgoies for being late
[02:12] <raphink> Seveas: ok
[02:12] <Seveas> Hobbsee, ok, +1 from me for location
[02:12] <Kamion> elmo, mako: have gone through the IRC op request on the agenda, dealing with a secondary request from that now; have also checked over and approved Indian and Chinese locoteams
[02:13] <elmo> Kamion: cool, thanks
[02:13] <EricNeon|CNteam> wow, all of  idol are all coming~
[02:13] <Kamion> mako: I know it's early for you
[02:13] <raphink> ah hi mako:)
[02:13] <Seveas> Kamion, timezone coverage improves a lot
[02:13] <juliux> hi all
[02:13] <Seveas> basically they're the 'missing link'
[02:13] <Kamion> Seveas: is Asia covered?
[02:13] <G0SUB> Kamion not yet in my opinion ...
[02:13] <jsgotangco> yep
[02:14] <G0SUB> India I mean
[02:14] <Seveas> if we add Hobbsee too: yes
[02:14] <Seveas> G0SUB, timezone coverage, not country coverage
[02:14] <G0SUB> hmm
[02:14] <jsgotangco> australia != asia
[02:14] <Kamion> G0SUB: well, I mean are there operators around when Indians tend to be online
[02:14] <freeflying> Kamion: as for  asia , I can 
[02:14] <jsgotangco> unless someone is from perth here
[02:15] <EricNeon|CNteam> Kamion:yes we can!
[02:15] <Kamion> ok, so please add Hobbsee as an op, and we'll see how timezone coverage works out
[02:15] <jsgotangco> we can vouch for the +7,+8+9 timezones
[02:15] <Kamion> if there's still a problem for Asian folks, we can add somebody from an appropriate timezone
[02:15] <Seveas> -ChanServ- [Hobbsee]  has been added to the access list for #ubuntu with level [10] 
[02:16] <Hobbsee> excellent :D
[02:16] <Kamion> let's move on to member candidates
[02:16] <Seveas> allee, you there?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> yep, that works
[02:16] <freeflying> Kamion: we are UTC +8
[02:16] <allee> Seveas: yes
[02:16] <mako> actually
[02:16] <mako> Kamion: before we do
[02:16] <mako> there's one thing i wanted to bring up
[02:16] <Kamion> sure
[02:17] <mako> we can phrase this as a general question
[02:18] <mako> but i've been approached by people who are wondering if contributions to launchpad count as contributions to the ubuntu community
[02:18] <mako> in the course of work for canonical or not
[02:18] <mako> cleary, contributions to support of ubuntu users and ubuntu conferences counts
[02:18] <mako> but does launchpad development count towards membership
[02:19] <Kamion> the only time it's come up really to date has been when Daniel Silverstone was up for membership
[02:19] <mako> we don't need to answer this right now unless y'all have strong feelings
[02:19] <Kamion> but in his case we were also familiar with his work on Debian
[02:19] <Seveas> Work on Debian generally is seen as a contribution to Ubuntu - I think it's no more than reasonable to follow the same reasoning for work on launchpad as launchpad is a direct support of Ubuntu
[02:19] <mako> Seveas: well, they are a little different
[02:19] <jsgotangco> but lp isnt ubuntu-centric
[02:19] <Seveas> jsgotangco, neither is Debian ;)
[02:19] <G0SUB> heh :)
[02:20] <ogra> jsgotangco, its our core infrastructure 
[02:20] <mako> because work on debian also leads to a strong confidence in someone's ability to the do the same tasks, truthworthiness, etc
[02:20] <mako> which lp does too to a degree
[02:20] <mako> in any case, we don't need to answer this now
[02:20] <mako> unless people have very strong feelngs either way
[02:20] <Kamion> I think I'd like to abstain from that question :-)
[02:20] <Seveas> let's think about it and come back to it next time, I'll put it on the agenda
[02:20] <mako> it would be good to know that now
[02:21] <jsgotangco> good point to ponder though
[02:21] <flint> debian, ubuntu and launchpad are "hacks" of each other... this is about hacking eh
[02:21] <mako> Seveas: that's fine.. but then we'll make it our homework
[02:21] <Seveas> mako, voluntary homework
[02:21] <mako> well, we should think about it
[02:21] <Seveas> I for one need more time to think about it - couldn't give a complete answer right now
[02:22] <mako> i understand
[02:22] <mako> i'm bringing it up because i'm of multiple minds
[02:22] <Seveas> mako, they have medication to cure that
[02:22] <mako> alright
[02:22] <Seveas> anyway, shall we move on to membership candidates?
[02:23] <mako> that sounds fine
[02:23] <Seveas> ok, allee, please give us the 3-liner
[02:23] <allee> I'm a sysadmin running Kubuntu on Laptops and Desktops since Hoary. With dapper, server and cluster will follow. For the curious, a bit of background can be found at [WWW]  http://www.kde.nl/people/debian.html
[02:23] <allee> I'm a member of the [WWW]  Kubuntu Team. Helping others in creating/maintain packages, maintaining packages myself or helping whereever I can help
[02:23] <allee> Future Plans: Working more on enhancement and integration of pkgs. e.g. media support, usability, and consistency. Easier setup of networks, in general, everything that helps using Kubuntu on laptop easier. At least keeping an eye on MOTU/Teams/Science, getting involved if time permits. 
[02:23] <allee> done
[02:24] <raphink> allee is a great help on Kubuntu
[02:24] <Seveas> one \o/ from me for routing the packages via Debian
[02:24] <Tonio_> and or sure one of the most helpfull personn for MOTUs
[02:24] <raphink> :)
[02:25] <Tonio_> he did so much to help me when Ihad problems
[02:25] <allee> Seveas: and with an quick sponsor it even much fun :)
[02:25] <raphink> allee: hehe lucky you :)
[02:26] <freeflying> wow allee is not a member ? he should be 
[02:26] <Seveas> freeflying, if the CC agrees with you he'll be a member in a few minutes
[02:26] <Tonio_> freeflying: incredible, but he still isn't
[02:27] <Seveas> ompaul, f1x0r your wikipage quick - it has a big edit conflict
[02:27] <ompaul> k
[02:27] <freeflying> Seveas:  he really shuld be 
[02:27] <Seveas> freeflying, I agree, but Kamion, mako and elmo decide 
[02:28] <raphink> :)
[02:28] <Kamion> I'm fine with Achim
[02:28] <Seveas> (on a side note: I like that he takes the correct route to membership: first make sure you contributr an awful lot so the CC does not have to think too long)
[02:28] <Kamion> work looks pretty good to me
[02:28] <ompaul> Seveas: done 
[02:28] <elmo> ack
[02:29] <Seveas> cool! allee welcome on board!
[02:29] <G0SUB> allee congrats!
[02:29] <raphink> yeah :)
[02:29] <phanatic> congrats allee
[02:29] <EricNeon|CNteam> yeah
[02:29] <raphink> welcome allee
[02:29] <freeflying> allee: congrates
[02:29] <allee> Thx all!
[02:29] <EricNeon|CNteam> welcome
[02:29] <Seveas> let's move on quickly as time keeps ticking - dolson there?
[02:29] <Tonio_> congrats allee
[02:29] <ogra> congratsd allee 
[02:29] <dolson> Seveas: hi
[02:29] <ogra> dolson, !! 
[02:29] <Seveas> dolson, your 3-liner please
[02:29] <MarioMeyer> congrats allee 
[02:29] <dolson> First, sorry this is long. I'm long-winded, and this is only 15% of what I had originally.
[02:29] <dolson> I'm a musician, and that drives 95% or more of my contributions. So far, I had only used Audacity to record, but wanted to expand to use JACK, and looked into Ardour. I discovered something appauling on their website: "Warning: [...]  Ubuntu and Debian distributions are not recommended [...]  they tend to cause many problems [...]  for users aimed at using applications like ardour."
[02:29] <dolson> My long-term goal is to rectify this, and help make Ubuntu a recommended audio distro. My short-term goal is to work toward my long-term goal, a package at a time. My wiki (ubuntustudio.com) will fill any gaps with HOW-TOs in the meantime. Dapper has improved in performance, configuration, and has some new apps. A step up from Breezy, and I'm excited for the future.
[02:29] <Seveas> (and please keep that ferret away from me :p)
[02:29] <dolson> This came out of an email I sent Mark, requesting Ubuntu support musicians. He heard me and put me in touch with some of his team. They gave me info that I ignored until one day, early February. I decided to try packaging. I read the info Daniel sent, and got started. I packaged some new apps and a few patches from Malone. Thanks to the MOTU team, most of these are in Dapper. It can be frustrating dealing with a newbie like me, but 
[02:30] <dolson> they have been only helpful and understanding.
[02:30] <dolson> To sum up, I have to say: this is my distro. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
[02:30] <raphink> dolson has been uploading a whole lot of packages for the ubuntustudio project on REVU lately
[02:30] <raphink> and fixing them fast when required
[02:30] <ogra> yeah
[02:31] <siretart> I've reviewed some of them. I'm happy with dolsons work so far!
[02:31] <raphink> he's been active in the MOTU 
[02:31] <jsgotangco> i'm more convinced with his pics than his contributions
[02:31] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:31] <jsgotangco> joke
[02:31] <Seveas> Audio on Ubuntu/linu in general needs to go some big leaps ahead - if dolson can help with that it'd be great
[02:31] <ogra> yeah, the picture is *very* convincing 
[02:31] <Seveas> Feb 10. however is only a month ago
[02:32] <dolson> that's when I started packaging, yes
[02:32] <jsgotangco> as well as the affair with warez
[02:32] <Kamion> I've done a huge pile of NEW processing on stuff that dolson's uploaded, and it all looks good to me
[02:32] <dolson> I've been on the forums for over a year, IIRC
[02:32] <ogra> Seveas, ubuntustudio is older and there were discussions on the mailing lists log ago about it already
[02:32] <Kamion> I'm happy with dolson for membership despite the relatively short timescale
[02:32] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:32] <Seveas> ok, 1 down
[02:33] <dolson> It was suggested that I become a MOTU, so this is the first step towards that
[02:33] <jsgotangco> dolson, do you own ubuntustudio.com?
[02:33] <dolson> jsgotangco: I do
[02:33] <jsgotangco> that figures
[02:33] <dolson> about 98% of the work on it I did
[02:33] <mako> the work looks great but 1mon seems a bit short
[02:34] <ogra> its way longer than a month
[02:34] <jsgotangco> im pretty much familiar with the nick too
[02:34] <Seveas> ogra, but that's not documented on his wikipage
[02:34] <ogra> (that he is involved inn ubuntu)
[02:34] <raphink> mako: well it's one month packaging for MOTU, but the work was longer
[02:34] <siretart> his work as packager is one month. his work as ubuntu contributor is longer
[02:34] <jsgotangco> well
[02:34] <mako> ah, ok
[02:34] <mako> sure then
[02:34] <dolson> I've also promoted Ubuntu on a case-by-case basis, and converted at least one person, if that counts for anything
[02:34] <ogra> Seveas, dig the ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-users archive ;)
[02:35] <Seveas> ogra, I take your word for it
[02:35] <elmo> ack from me too
[02:35] <mako> that sounds fine
[02:35] <mako> i'm happy with membership
[02:35] <raphink> dolson: wow! converted one person! ;)
[02:35] <raphink> hehe
[02:35] <Seveas> ok, 3 down, welcome aboard dolson!
[02:35] <raphink> dolson: I think ubuntustudio counts more ;)
[02:35] <G0SUB> dolson welcome!!
[02:35] <raphink> welcome dana
[02:35] <phanatic> congrats dolson
[02:35] <Seveas> phanatic, poke
[02:35] <mako> yeah, the other work are still significant contributions
[02:35] <dolson> thanks guys 
[02:36] <Tonio_> congrats dolson
[02:36] <phanatic> Seveas: my intro comes then...
[02:36] <ogra> yay dolson 
[02:36] <Seveas> (I may have to leave without notice RSN - will be back in less than 5 minutes after that)
[02:36] <freeflying> dolson: congrates
[02:36] <dolson> :)
[02:36] <phanatic> I'm a university student from Budapest, Hungary. I administer an Ubuntu server at the university in my hometown. I installed my first Linux back in 99-00. After trying several distros I chose Debian, but since Hoary I use Ubuntu.
[02:36] <phanatic> My contribution to Ubuntu involves: organizing the Hungarian Community (launched the site ubuntu.hu, localization), spreading the word in the country (I presented Ubuntu in the TV and radio as well), doing some packaging for MOTU (currently maintainer of 4 pkgs).
[02:36] <phanatic> In the future I'd like to join the MOTU team to help their work, and I'd also like to continue my local community activity to spread free softwares, and Ubuntu of course :)
[02:36] <elmo> dolson: have you been in touch with anyone yet about trademarks?
[02:36] <phanatic> See my wiki page for more details on my work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SzilveszterFarkas
[02:36] <dolson> elmo: no
[02:37] <Kamion> hooray, a perl hacker
[02:37] <jsgotangco> TV and radio!
[02:37] <ogra> Kamion, this might change 
[02:37] <phanatic> siretart: i'm sorry to hear that :(
[02:37] <raphink> phanatic has been quite active in MOTU aswell
[02:37] <elmo> dolson: you probably should at some stage; I can't imagine it'll be a problem
[02:37] <ogra> Kamion, i was one as well before i met you guys
[02:37] <siretart> phanatic has been active in #ubuntu-motu, learning and helping other motu hopefuls
[02:37] <siretart> I'm happy with his work so far
[02:37] <phanatic> Kamion: :)
[02:37] <ogra> siretart++
[02:37] <raphink> some of phantic's packages are in universe already and he's been helping with bugs too
[02:38] <Kamion> how's the Hungarian team coming along?
[02:38] <dolson> elmo: who should I contact? I assume it's because I used "ubuntu" in my domain/site name? you can /msg if you wish
[02:38] <phanatic> Kamion: there are only a few active members (about 5-6), who contribute to docs, but a lot more are active on our forums (about 100)
[02:39] <phanatic> ubuntu has the 2. biggest community in hungary (after debian)
[02:39] <phanatic> but the debian people are getting converted to ubuntu :)
[02:42] <Kamion> well, I'm happy, seems to be a fair history of significant contributions
[02:42] <raphink> :)
[02:42] <Kamion> again I've seen some of phanatic's packages in NEW and not had huge problems with them
[02:43] <mako> the contributions looks significant and over a decent period of time
[02:43] <mako> i'm happy with membership
[02:43] <elmo> me too
[02:44] <ogra> applause 
[02:44] <G0SUB> phanatic congrats!
[02:44] <jsgotangco> \o/
[02:44] <phanatic> thanks for you guys :)
[02:44] <mako> you did the work
[02:44] <raphink> congratulations phanatic! welcome aboard :)
[02:44] <mako> :)
[02:44] <Seveas> spacey, poke
[02:44] <freeflying> phanatic: congrates
[02:44] <ogra> spacey, !!
[02:44] <spacey> hi
[02:44] <spacey> unfortunately my gedit just crashed with my 3 lines :P
[02:44] <spacey> anyway
[02:44] <spacey> I'm Herman Bos
[02:44] <G0SUB> spacey file a bug
[02:45] <Tonio_> welcome phanatic, congrats ;) ^^
[02:45] <spacey> my wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HermanBos
[02:45] <spacey> My activities are quite widespread although most of my activity is with edubuntu
[02:45] <spacey> also part of the ubuntu dutch team
[02:45] <spacey> working on a project to convert a school to edubuntu
[02:45] <spacey> around 50 clients
[02:45] <ogra> yeah, spacey is one of the most active members of edubuntu
[02:46] <jsgotangco> ++
[02:46] <spacey> i have some pending work
[02:46] <Seveas> spacey is one of the earliest members of ubuntu-nl
[02:46] <ogra> he helps in a lot of areas 
[02:46] <Seveas> oct/nov 2004 iirc
[02:46] <flint>  yes spacey is most active...
[02:46] <spacey> with getting end user edubuntu feedback to edubuntu
[02:46] <ogra> he also attended all the edubuntu related BOFs at UBZ :)
[02:47] <spacey> I just love Edubuntu/Ubuntu, its just my style:)
[02:47] <spacey> future is more schools to edubuntu
[02:47] <spacey> :)
[02:47] <spacey> more documentation
[02:47] <ogra> yay!
[02:47] <ogra> JaneW might probably also speak up :) 
[02:48] <Kamion> allee: please apply to join the ubuntumembers team in launchpad (https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join)
[02:48] <spacey> :)
[02:50] <mako> i like the ubuntu blog
[02:50] <Seveas> mako, he's on planet Ubuntu-nl 
[02:51] <Kamion> "Personally I couldnt find any porn website which slipped through the filter."
[02:51] <spacey> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/ for the rest :)
[02:51] <Kamion> spacey: sometimes jobs just really suck, eh? :-)
[02:51] <ogra> hehe
[02:51] <spacey> Kamion: hehe :)
[02:51] <mako> is that a challenge?
[02:51] <Kamion> anyway, I'm fine with spacey for membership, seem to be good Edubuntu contributions there
[02:51] <Kamion> and I think I remember meeting you at UBZ too
[02:51] <ogra> lots of :)
[02:52] <Kamion> (though there were a *lot* of people there ...)
[02:52] <Seveas> 2 down, one to go
[02:52] <mako> speaking of one to go.. i have about 15 minutes
[02:52] <spacey> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/plaatjes/hackergotchi/spacey-gotchi3-noshadow.png
[02:52] <flint> Kamion, regarding Nick Wheeler (Spec), I can speak for him in nomination.
[02:53] <Seveas> flint, we usually don't do that
[02:53] <Seveas> he can just apply next time
[02:53] <flint> Seveas, just offering.
[02:53] <flint> Seveas, then I have to get up early on Tuesday and Wednesday and screw up my schedule! :^)
[02:53] <Kamion> we do sometimes
[02:53] <mako> flint: not early
[02:54] <mako> flint: late afternoon next time
[02:54] <mako> and we do sometimes
[02:54] <ogra> elmo, opinions about spacey ? 
[02:54] <jsgotangco> i give my support for spacey as well
[02:54] <mako> is alwaysa a bit spacey himself these early morning meeings
[02:54] <spacey> :>
[02:54] <jsgotangco> (need to go wife calls for late night dinner)
[02:54] <spacey> mako: you looked spacey at wth as well ;p
[02:54] <Kamion> several of the Edubuntu people I know have been pretty keen on Nicholas
[02:54] <elmo> ack
[02:54] <G0SUB> spacey congrats!
[02:55] <Seveas> spacey, welcome!
[02:55] <spacey> yay :)
[02:55] <mako> spacey: i'd been on the road for 6 weeks :)
[02:55] <spacey> \o/
[02:55] <ogra> yay spacey !!!!
[02:55] <raphink> :)
[02:55] <flint> That said, it is Town Meeting day here in Vermont and I need to go and govern.
[02:55] <flint>  :^)
[02:55] <jsgotangco> i dunno nicholas but that's just me (as a regular edubuntu lurker)
[02:55] <flint> sksk
[02:56] <Kamion> jsgotangco: not a familiar face?
[02:56] <Seveas> I really prefer to postpone (flint has gone too, mako has to go soon)
[02:56] <Kamion> ok, let's leave Spec to next time
[02:56] <jsgotangco> nope
[02:56] <Seveas> there are two more candidates present
[02:56] <Kamion> Baishampayan Ghose
[02:56] <Seveas> G0SUB, you're up
[02:56] <G0SUB> okay, my few lines
[02:56] <G0SUB> Hello I am Baishampayan Ghose from India. I am an upcoming Debian /
[02:56] <G0SUB> Ubuntu developer. I have two packages in Debian main which will come to
[02:56] <G0SUB> Ubuntu in Dapper+1. I am also a Translator and I am the maintainer of
[02:56] <G0SUB> Debian Graphical Installer Bengali translations. For Ubuntu I have
[02:56] <G0SUB> cleaned up and written patches for MOTU-Reviewers and those were
[02:56] <G0SUB> uploaded by jpatrick. I am a member of the Ubuntu Bengali Translators
[02:56] <G0SUB> team as well as the Indian LoCo Team. I am also a member of the New User
[02:57] <G0SUB> Network. I have done some translations on Rosetta. I have recently
[02:57] <G0SUB> joined the MOTU-Science team for which I intend to do a lot in future. I
[02:57] <G0SUB> have contributed to a couple of wikis, my most major contribution is in
[02:57] <G0SUB> being the co-author of the JhbuildOnUbuntu wiki which is hosted in
[02:57] <G0SUB> live.gnome.org. I also do a lot of advocacy and I distribute Ubuntu CDs
[02:57] <G0SUB> in all the FOSS events I visit. I am also a board member of the Free
[02:57] <G0SUB> Software Foundation of India.
[02:57] <Kamion> Jordan Mantha says:
[02:57] <G0SUB> https://launchpad.net/people/g0sub
[02:57] <G0SUB> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BaishampayanGhose
[02:57] <jsgotangco> lol that's a lot of lines
[02:57] <G0SUB> jsgotangco heh
[02:57] <Kamion> Baishampayan Ghose has been hanging out around #ubuntu-motu for a week or two. He seems very interested in packaging and shows quite a bit of promise in that area. His work with the Indian LoCo team will be useful for Dapper+1.
[02:58] <Kamion> G0SUB: FWIW it's easier on us if you try to pack it into fewer but longer lines
[02:58] <Kamion> anyhow
[02:58] <G0SUB> jpatrick isn't here ... he could have voted for me too ...
[02:58] <G0SUB> Kamion Emacs ...
[02:58] <Kamion> G0SUB: the line I just pasted I did by hand - never blame your tools
[02:58] <raphink> G0SUB: jpatrick couldn't have voted, but he could have testified
[02:58] <G0SUB> raphink I am sorry , that's what I mean
[02:59] <raphink> :)
[03:00] <Kamion> G0SUB: only two of the eight bugs you list under "Bugs Fixed" on your wiki page actually have any contributions from you recorded in the bug log
[03:00] <G0SUB> Kamion that's an issue ... actually I gave the patches directly to jpatrick and he uploaded them ... my name's there in the changelog
[03:01] <Kamion> ok, fair enough
[03:01] <Kamion> it is worth being clear about that sort of thing
[03:01] <G0SUB> yes
[03:01] <mako> G0SUB: is the indian team active?
[03:02] <G0SUB> mako yes! very much ... we got official approval today
[03:02] <mako> ah.. i missed the first 5-10 minutes of the meeting
[03:02] <mako> my apologies
[03:02] <Kamion> mako: make that an hour and 5-10 minutes
[03:02] <ogra> heh
[03:02] <dolson> haha
[03:02] <MarioMeyer> lol
[03:03] <G0SUB> heh
[03:03] <Seveas> rofl
[03:03] <mako> oh man
[03:03] <Kamion> ok, "a week or two" is a bit short to consider the MOTU work I think, but the translation work has clearly been going on for longer
[03:03] <G0SUB> yes
[03:03] <Seveas> but not yet the infinite translator karma of death ;)
[03:03] <Seveas> (solid contribution though)
[03:04] <Kamion> I have this here debian-installer/packages/po/bn.po with G0SUB's name all over it
[03:04] <G0SUB> heh
[03:04] <ogra> sounds like a valuable contribution to me 
[03:04] <Kamion> so I'm happy
[03:05] <mako> yes, the translation work looks good
[03:05] <G0SUB> I intend to do a lot of merges when dapper+1 is out ... 
[03:05] <Seveas> good plan
[03:05] <ogra> yeah
[03:05] <Seveas> the motu will welcome you
[03:05] <mako> and IIRC, i've been in contact with G0SUB some time before
[03:06] <G0SUB> mako exactly ... good to see you remember
[03:06] <G0SUB> mako the 200 CDs I ordered
[03:06] <G0SUB> and the works
[03:07] <gora> If it matters, G0SUB has been the big push behind the Ubuntu Indian LoCo team.
[03:07] <Seveas> gora, it matters 
[03:07] <Seveas> good locoteams are very valuable
[03:07] <elmo> ack
[03:08] <Seveas> ok, almost there, only mako needs to be convinced ;)
[03:08] <mako> i'm convinced
[03:08] <gora> Seveas: Yeah, I meant as in you all don't know me anyways, so does *my* opinion matter :-)
[03:08] <Seveas> well, in that case
[03:08] <Seveas> welcome aboard G0SUB !
[03:08] <MarioMeyer> congrats G0SUB 
[03:08] <G0SUB> thanks a lot guys! you have been awesome !
[03:08] <Seveas> last one on the agenda: the evil irishman
[03:08] <gora> G0SUB: congrats.
[03:08] <Seveas> ompaul, ping
[03:09] <licio> G0SUB, welcome.. congrats :-)
[03:09] <Kamion> G0SUB: please apply to join the ubuntumembers team in launchpad (https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join)
[03:09] <G0SUB> :)
[03:09] <ompaul> three line
[03:09] <G0SUB> Kamion okay
[03:09] <ompaul> this is as short as I can do it,  Active on Sounder, IRC, and reading some other mailing lists, contribute in whereever I can. In 2005 I gave away in the region of 600 CDs 300 from Canonical the rest I organised the Lug to get them out there. Events that we did this at were : http://www.ictexpo.ie April 2005 ; http://www.ifso.ie a Free Software event on the 18th November which lead to me giving a box to the CS in Trinity College in Dublin and I sup
[03:09] <ompaul> plied that event. ; http://homepage.eircom.net/~kogrange/ys_computer_2006.html (get them young :-)) In general targeting people that may move over, also provide support to a few machines in the locality where I live. Generally I just love the stuff. Where do I want Ubuntu, everywhere. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulOmalley
[03:10] <ompaul> ohh and with some guy called seveas set up #ubuntu+1 to move the dapper and future dev based queries out of #ubuntu
[03:10] <Seveas> ompaul, is quite active on irc (#ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-offtopic at least) and very helpful when it comes to support
[03:10] <ompaul> thanks
[03:11] <Seveas> he's also op in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[03:11] <Seveas> (#ubuntu-offtopic soon if bob2 returns)
[03:11] <mako> i'm happy with ompaul for support and community activity and solid irc contributions
[03:11] <ompaul> thanks
[03:11] <Seveas> (and the countless hours of talk also count as good support)
[03:12] <mako> alright.. i really need to run
[03:12] <ompaul> mako, is that a yes?
[03:12] <Seveas> bye! 
[03:12] <Seveas> ompaul, it is
[03:12] <mako> yes, it's a yes
[03:12] <ompaul> cheers
[03:12] <mako> ompaul: i'd like to chat with you about gnubuntu stuff anyway.. i'll msgs you in a few hours
[03:12] <Bonzodog> ompaul: congrats from a fellow ubunyu user in Ireland
[03:12] <ompaul> mako, cool, 
[03:12] <Seveas> Bonzodog, 2 more CC members need convincing
[03:13] <ogra> Bonzodog, still missing 2
[03:13] <Seveas> he's not theere yet
[03:13] <mako> Seveas: can you send me the full log
[03:13] <Bonzodog> ah..
[03:13] <mako> ?
[03:13] <Seveas> mako, yes
[03:13] <mako> Seveas: thanks!
[03:13] <Seveas> tonight-ish
[03:13] <mako> apologize for being much later than i thought iw as
[03:13] <Seveas> (I'm actually at work)
[03:14] <mako> :)
[03:14] <ogra> so we're waiting for Kamion and elmo ....
[03:14] <ogra> ah
[03:14] <Kamion> that school project looks like some fine work
[03:14] <Seveas> that school project is indeed impressive
[03:15] <Kamion> sorry, my router threw a wobbly there
[03:15] <Bonzodog> We could do with an Irish member
[03:15] <ompaul> Kamion_, it was a couple of days - I walked in and the kids had used the net and sitting on the whiteboard was Linux Is Cool
[03:15] <Bonzodog> the ubuntu-ie team is very small
[03:15] <ompaul> well Bonzodog I was there when it started but never saw it take off, talk with me later
[03:16] <Kamion> ompaul: heh, nice
[03:16] <Kamion> Bonzodog: I'm from Belfast, although don't live there any more
[03:16] <Seveas> \o/mpaul
[03:17] <Kamion> anyway, I'm happy with Paul based on some pretty stonking advocacy work
[03:17] <Seveas> stonking?
[03:17] <ompaul> thanks Kamion 
[03:17] <ompaul> Seveas, its +++
[03:17] <Kamion> did mako or elmo comment while I was out?
[03:17] <Kamion> Seveas: "very good"
[03:17] <Seveas> ah, thnks
[03:17] <Seveas> make acked
[03:17] <Seveas> mako*
[03:17] <Seveas> elmo has not yet commented
[03:17] <elmo> ack
[03:17] <Seveas> ok, he has
[03:18] <Seveas> congratz ompaul !
[03:18] <ompaul> thanks folks
[03:18] <Seveas> Go Irish, beat orangemen!
[03:18] <G0SUB> ompaul you rock!
[03:18] <Kamion> ompaul: BTW dapper should be better WRT building images without restricted on them and having them actually work
[03:18] <Bonzodog> congrats ompaul....
[03:18] <Kamion> I tweaked base-installer a bit recently
[03:18] <G0SUB> btw, I support Ted Walther in that we really need to put up a statue of elmo on the grounds of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute!
[03:18] <ogra> yay ompaul 
[03:18] <ompaul> Kamion, thanks 
[03:18] <^Odd^> ~~~~~~~~Congrats ompaul~~~~~~~~~~~
[03:18] <^Odd^> ^_^
[03:18] <Kamion> and I think we're done
[03:18] <Seveas> Any other business anyone?
[03:18] <Kamion> Any other business?
[03:18] <ompaul> Kamion, I'll have mako beat sense into me :)
[03:19] <Kamion> oh, one sec, I have something
[03:19] <ompaul> Seveas, no that would not humane
[03:20] <Kamion> Adam Conrad's on the proposed members list and is already in ubuntu-core-dev; I assume nobody minds if I just add him?
[03:20] <ogra> heh
[03:20] <Seveas> rofl 
[03:20] <ogra> will he stop the buildds if you dont ?
[03:20] <Kamion> (or if I apply this policy to ubuntu-core-dev members in general)
[03:20] <ogra> so better do it :)
[03:20] <Seveas> Kamion, I see that as 'backlog' 
[03:20] <Seveas> should simply be added
[03:20] <ogra> Kamion++
[03:21] <Kamion> done
[03:21] <Seveas> there's no doubt about their contributions
[03:21] <Seveas> ok, anyone else?
[03:21] <Seveas> going once
[03:21] <Seveas> going twice
[03:21] <Seveas> SOLD! meeting over 
[03:22] <G0SUB> Seveas whom do I contact for cloaks?
[03:22] <Seveas> G0SUB, me
[03:22] <Seveas> consider it done
[03:22] <Kamion> I believe I've approved all the new members in launchpad, with the exception of allee who hasn't hit +join yet
[03:22] <G0SUB> Seveas can I get a cloak?
[03:22] <Kamion> let me know if I've forgotten anyone
[03:22] <Seveas> G0SUB, sure - next time I speak to freenode staff
[03:22] <ompaul> Kamion, going to www.belfoss.org?
[03:22] <G0SUB> Seveas thanks!
[03:23] <Bonzodog> there is an Irish Team channel at #ubuntu-ie
[03:23] <Kamion> ompaul: unlikely :( I haven't been back to Belfast for about six or seven years
[03:23] <G0SUB> Seveas and @ubuntu.com ?
[03:23] <Seveas> thanks for attending everyone - Kamion please poke elmo/mako/sabdfl about a suitable time for next meeting, I really would like to see sabdfl at one of these meetings again
[03:23] <Bonzodog> but I don't know if there is an Irish Tem on lauchpad
[03:23] <Seveas> G0SUB, that'll be handle automanually - just wait a few days/weeks
[03:23] <Kamion> Seveas: yeah, sabdfl apologised for not having made a meeting of late due to his Asia tour - we'll try to sort something out
[03:24] <Seveas> Kamion, great
[03:24] <G0SUB> Seveas okay, thanks!
[03:24] <Seveas> I'm going to do something work related before I get caught
[03:24] <Seveas> bye all
[03:24] <G0SUB> see you
[03:24] <ompaul> cheers
[03:32] <EricNeon|CNteam> bye all, the time is go to sleep
[03:32] <EricNeon|CNteam> good night~
[03:33] <ogra> night EricNeon|CNteam 
[03:33] <EricNeon|CNteam> :-)
[04:34] <allee> Kamion: I applied a week ago already.  Only the confirmation is pending ;)  lauchpad always says: You are a proposed member of this team. To
[04:34] <freeflying> allee: needs time for that 
[04:35] <allee> freeflying: <Kamion> I believe I've approved all the new members in launchpad, with the exception of allee who hasn't hit +join yet
[04:40] <Kamion> allee: sorry, my fault, you were there as "allee" rather than "Achim Bohnet" so I missed you. Approved now.
[04:41] <allee> Kamion: np.  Thx!
[04:52] <jsgotangco> wow and i thought the meeting is still going on heh
[07:03] <janimo> nomed: Gloubiboulga: let's start
[07:04] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[07:04] <nomed> ok
[07:04] <janimo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanieleFavara/ProposedAgenda2006-03-07
[07:04] <janimo> here's the agenda Daniele proposed
[07:04] <janimo> 1) XfceGoodies
[07:05] <nomed> there are some new ones ready
[07:05] <janimo> nice progress this week, if you can keep up the packaging we
[07:05] <nomed> but i still need to fix little stuff
[07:05] <janimo> will be finished in two weeks
[07:05] <janimo> at most
[07:05] <janimo> nomed, I am waiting for the thumb up sign near the goodies before looking at the,
[07:05] <janimo> them
[07:05] <nomed> what's nice is that almost all the ones that were already in breezy are working  again now
[07:06] <nomed> janimo, yes
[07:06] <janimo> diskperf was packaged by Gauvain
[07:06] <janimo> but did not work on my box
[07:06] <Gloubiboulga> packaged, but doesn't work
[07:06] <Gloubiboulga> neither on mine in fact
[07:06] <nomed> yes ..
[07:06] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: oh, ok
[07:06] <janimo> goodies upstreams are not too busy since 4.4 is not in sight
[07:07] <janimo> we may have to ping them, report bugs 
[07:07] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[07:07] <Gloubiboulga> I can send some mails for that
[07:07] <janimo> I am trying to finish screenshot myself then upload it
[07:07] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: would be nice
[07:08] <nomed> xfce4-websearch-plugin <-- this works but it's not possible to resize the text entry
[07:08] <Gloubiboulga> ok, I'll take care of that
[07:08] <nomed> janimo, do you know how to fix it ?
[07:08] <janimo> nomed, you mean the websearch resize?
[07:08] <nomed> yes
[07:08] <janimo> or diskperf?
[07:08] <janimo> I could take a look
[07:08] <nomed> websearch
[07:08] <janimo> but I have not used the plugin
[07:08] <nomed> xmms works nicely
[07:09] <janimo> if it works and only reszie is borked it's ok to upload
[07:09] <nomed> ok
[07:09] <janimo> you shpould just make sure it is packaged ok, and works
[07:09] <janimo> bugs we'll fix later or have upstream fix them
[07:09] <nomed> janimo, i'm fixing it
[07:09] <janimo> ok, ping me whenever they're in the state quicklauncher was.
[07:10] <nomed> they generate some files as it is reported in debuild log from revu-report
[07:10] <nomed> k
[07:10] <janimo> it also spews warning to the panel ocnsole but works
[07:10] <nomed> xfce4-datetime-plugin <-- should be removed i feel
[07:10] <janimo> why?
[07:11] <janimo> I have nothing agaisnt removing just want to know the reaosn
[07:11] <nomed> it doesn't seem maintained anymore
[07:11] <nomed> and it's not working
[07:11] <janimo> good reason enough
[07:11] <janimo> we have clock in the panel that will do
[07:11] <nomed> yep
[07:12] <nomed> anyway we should check all of them when we've pkged all the working ones
[07:12] <janimo> is websearch the same plugin written by ema from debian xfce?
[07:12] <janimo> or is that called smt else
[07:12] <nomed> checking svn logs and sending mails to xfce-devel
[07:13] <janimo> xfce-goodies more appropriate probably
[07:13] <janimo> maybe a summary to devel
[07:13] <nomed> janimo, i don't remeber
[07:13] <janimo> I cannot post from gmane to gogodies for some reason
[07:13] <nomed> ohh yes xfce-goodies
[07:13] <janimo> weather plugin crashes I assume
[07:14] <nomed> it's working here
[07:14] <nomed> that version is working
[07:14] <janimo> ok
[07:14] <janimo> then let me know whenever any of these is good for upload
[07:14] <nomed> ok
[07:14] <janimo> shall we start on 2) archiver
[07:14] <janimo> ?
[07:14] <nomed> ok
[07:15] <nomed> thunar has that plugin
[07:15] <janimo> yes, but we need to decide on one of the two apps
[07:15] <nomed> i have still to figure out how it is integrated in thunar :/
[07:15] <janimo> joys of choice
[07:15] <nomed> janimo, exactly
[07:15] <nomed> i asked to both
[07:15] <nomed> xarchive and xarchiver devel
[07:15] <janimo> I see they both recomend the other on tehir page
[07:16] <janimo> but none says one is better
[07:16] <nomed> who would try to integrate it in thunar
[07:16] <janimo> smart
[07:16] <janimo> that plugin calls out to file roller now from what I saw
[07:16] <nomed> i think xarchiver is better
[07:16] <janimo> me too, but only from a cursory look
[07:16] <nomed> janimo, it's faster
[07:16] <janimo> yes I noticed that
[07:16] <nomed> and xarchive randomly crasches
[07:17] <janimo> when you have a clean pkg of xarchiver I'll upload it
[07:17] <nomed> k
[07:17] <janimo> then we can look into integrating that plugin
[07:17] <janimo> I think that will be a patch in thunr no new package to
[07:17] <janimo> not be stuck in NEW
[07:17] <nomed> janimo, as benny told it should be patched even the archive manager
[07:17] <janimo> it's same upstream esentially
[07:18] <nomed> i think it will affect even the xarchive(r) itself
[07:18] <nomed> janimo, yes
[07:18] <nomed> it's just to see better where there are regressions
[07:19] <janimo> ok
[07:19] <janimo> then the steps are: pack and upload xarchiver
[07:19] <janimo> then look at the intercation with the plugin
[07:19] <janimo> even without the plugin having an archiver is already a win
[07:20] <nomed> yep
[07:20] <janimo> and meantime listen to what the two xarch upstreams say 
[07:20] <nomed> sure
[07:20] <janimo> 3) look
[07:20] <nomed> uhuh
[07:20] <janimo> the wiki page should closely resemble U & K
[07:21] <janimo> right now is a recursive linkage with not accurate categories
[07:21] <janimo> let's wait maybe and see how they populate theirs
[07:21] <nomed> janimo, those links below DapperXubuntuLook
[07:22] <nomed> are the existing wiki subpage 
[07:22] <nomed> i try to explain what's my proposal for that stuff
[07:22] <janimo> well at least the colors and logo entries at the top are confusing
[07:22] <nomed> that's true
[07:22] <janimo> and lead to pages which deal with other art stuff
[07:23] <nomed> janimo, those two page
[07:23] <janimo> should look exacltly like u&k so their people navigate as easily and know how to compare
[07:23] <nomed> colors and logo
[07:23] <janimo> and others too
[07:23] <nomed> will exist untill we'll not have a page as this one
[07:23] <nomed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[07:24] <nomed> at the moment xubuntu lacks of those infos .. materials
[07:24] <janimo> right, but they should be on a separate page since this has to resemble the other Look pages
[07:24] <nomed> janimo, i agree ..
[07:24] <janimo> and I think we could stick our stuff in the link you mentioned
[07:24] <nomed> it 's just that now DapperXubuntuLook
[07:25] <nomed> is on #dapper-look topic
[07:25] <janimo> we know the logo at least
[07:25] <nomed> and people will not find anywhere those info
[07:25] <nomed> and for an artist the palette is fundamental
[07:25] <janimo> ok, then a discrete link (one) at the bottom would do
[07:25] <nomed> that's to show we've not an official one 
[07:25] <nomed> k
[07:26] <janimo> the colors page should not have link to proposals/workflow and such
[07:26] <nomed> janimo, ok
[07:26] <janimo> ok right at the top a link to xubuntuArtwork 
[07:27] <nomed> i was just trying to collect materials
[07:27] <janimo> and then they can have a background on what we have so far
[07:27] <nomed> i need some help on this
[07:27] <janimo> current artwork pages are a bit disorganized
[07:27] <janimo> the purpose of the Look page is to 
[07:27] <janimo> take that data and organize it
[07:27] <janimo> not link back to it adding to the confusion :)
[07:28] <nomed> yes ... the problem here is that xubuntu is not sync with kubuntu and ubuntu :/
[07:28] <nomed> we have the advantage that we can see how they 'll do that stuff
[07:28] <janimo> sync as in communication with artists?
[07:28] <nomed> but at the same time we can't organize that much material
[07:29] <janimo> as they fill the look page, we put our xubuntu equivalent there nothing more
[07:29] <janimo> we can already put a logo
[07:29] <janimo> a link to the running mouse for splash
[07:29] <nomed> janimo, yep
[07:29] <janimo> teh usplash and gdm theme
[07:29] <janimo> what we have now
[07:29] <nomed> the problem here is that an artist needs a color palette
[07:29] <janimo> then if we chaneg those update the look page
[07:29] <nomed> and svg images
[07:30] <janimo> just so everybidy know our current status
[07:30] <nomed> i feel an artist get lost without such stuff
[07:30] <janimo> well, with the color palette I don;t know what we should do
[07:30] <nomed> janimo, we need one
[07:30] <nomed> that's the first step
[07:30] <janimo> true, I'd let Jozef Mak or someone else who is an artist chose the palette
[07:31] <janimo> I cannot do it :)
[07:31] <nomed> janimo, a guy from tango people
[07:31] <janimo> ok
[07:31] <nomed> is playing with xfce icons
[07:31] <janimo> but if we put what we have now in xubuntu there
[07:31] <janimo> people notice
[07:31] <janimo> and may say that sucks, and help us make it look better
[07:31] <nomed> janimo, i showed him all the material we have
[07:31] <nomed> :)
[07:32] <nomed> i hope during this week we'll see some progress
[07:32] <janimo> let's have it there on Look so that people at the UI sprint at least know we exist :)
[07:32] <nomed> DapperXubuntuLook is even in #dapper-look topic
[07:33] <janimo> I saw that
[07:33] <nomed> i think that should help very much
[07:33] <janimo> that's why it has to be short and to the point
[07:33] <janimo> with a link back to xubu artwork
[07:33] <janimo> but not a replica of all that stuff
[07:33] <nomed> k
[07:33] <janimo> for instance that 3D studio max style usplash needs to go :)
[07:33] <nomed> janimo, i try to explain my idea
[07:33] <nomed> ehehe
[07:34] <nomed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUbuntuIcons?action=show&redirect=DapperIcons
[07:34] <nomed> take a look here
[07:34] <janimo> I saw that
[07:34] <nomed> ok
[07:34] <nomed> scroll the page
[07:34] <janimo> but we do not really have a use for most of those as I said on the list
[07:34] <janimo> trash, network, printer etc
[07:35] <nomed> ubuntu will use a modified tango icon theme
[07:35] <janimo> openoffice
[07:35] <nomed> xubuntu can inherit from it
[07:35] <janimo> sure
[07:35] <janimo> once they settle
[07:35] <janimo> it is still preliminary from what I hear
[07:35] <nomed> and that guy is adding missing icons for xfce
[07:35] <janimo> at least we agree that the original mouse in wheel is _the_ logo
[07:36] <janimo> great
[07:36] <nomed> so xubuntu-icon-theme
[07:36] <nomed> will be a small pkge
[07:36] <nomed> with missing icons
[07:36] <janimo> we may just put it in xfce-icon-theme to not have yet another pkg
[07:36] <nomed> and inheriting from ubuntu-icon-theme
[07:36] <nomed> this will be the xubuntu-icon-theme in this way
[07:37] <nomed> XubuntuHuman --> Human --> Hicolor
[07:37] <janimo> ok
[07:37] <nomed> same for gdm
[07:37] <nomed> once we'll have a palette
[07:37] <nomed> it'll be just needed to modify the colors
[07:37] <nomed> and same for all the rest
[07:37] <nomed> this is my idea
[07:38] <janimo> yes
[07:38] <nomed> that's why i think palette is high priority 
[07:38] <janimo> I think best would be to find someone actually responsible to lead the xubuntu art effort
[07:38] <janimo> I cannot do it 
[07:38] <nomed> janimo, i can do that
[07:38] <nomed> not working with inkscape 
[07:38] <nomed> obviosly
[07:39] <janimo> ok, but please contact at leats someone in art team
[07:39] <nomed> but orginizing that stuff
[07:39] <janimo> right
[07:39] <nomed> janimo, it's what i did
[07:39] <janimo> thanks :)
[07:39] <nomed> we're already working on this
[07:39] <nomed> we have menu-editor icon already :)
[07:39] <janimo> ok, including people in u-look?
[07:39] <janimo> great
[07:40] <nomed> janimo, mainly ...
[07:40] <nomed> do u agree that we shouldn't use same colors as ubuntu ?
[07:40] <janimo> yes
[07:40] <nomed> ok
[07:41] <janimo> the same palette though as Jozsef suggested thiugh?
[07:41] <nomed> someone on the list was not fine with this ..
[07:41] <janimo> right we have to have a distinctive look
[07:41] <janimo> but don;t know which color is the best
[07:41] <janimo> choice
[07:41] <janimo> upstream is struggling too :)
[07:41] <nomed> that person proposed  aluminium 
[07:42] <nomed> it reflects the porpose of xubuntu ..
[07:42] <janimo> not warm enough, but whatever :)
[07:42] <nomed> from what he told
[07:42] <janimo> I get used to whatever theme very fast
[07:42] <nomed> me too
[07:43] <janimo> is he willing to offer a full xubuntu artwork?
[07:43] <janimo> from the people on the list I found Jozsefs work the nicest
[07:43] <nomed> janimo, i can tell you more next week
[07:43] <janimo> ok
[07:43] <janimo> it is consistent and encompasses the whole artwork
[07:43] <nomed> janimo, that guy can help even for icon-naming stuff
[07:43] <janimo>  then if you take care of this great
[07:44] <nomed> i do
[07:44] <janimo> so another meeting in a week ?
[07:44] <nomed> janimo, yes
[07:44] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[07:44] <janimo> until then you do this organization and xarxhiver package and a few goodies?
[07:44] <nomed> yes
[07:45] <nomed> what about including within the panel the battery plugin ?
[07:45] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: you take care of netswicth and contact upstream goodfie authors?
[07:45] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[07:45] <janimo> nomed, by default?
[07:45] <nomed> yes
[07:45] <janimo> most people do not have batteries
[07:45] <nomed> we can set xscreensaver on battery low
[07:45] <janimo> so it would be something to remove for most
[07:45] <nomed> i've seen it just now
[07:46] <nomed> ops
[07:46] <Gloubiboulga> :/
[07:46] <nomed> Gloubiboulga, heheh i agree
[07:46] <Gloubiboulga> :D
[07:46] <Gloubiboulga> I really can't help on the artwork stuff :(
[07:47] <nomed> Gloubiboulga, i can just help on orginizing it ...
[07:47] <nomed> i can't make icons
[07:47] <nomed> that's sure
[07:47] <nomed> but it's since one mounth i'm playing with xfce4 icons
[07:47] <nomed> icon naming stuff and so on
[07:48] <nomed> so i can help with that
[07:48] <Gloubiboulga> ok ok
[07:48] <nomed> the problem was that many icons were hardcoded 
[07:49] <Gloubiboulga> I didn't know that icons can be harcoded
[07:49] <Gloubiboulga> I know nothing about that
[07:51] <nomed> Gloubiboulga, it seems the meeting is over :)
[07:51] <Gloubiboulga> yep, I guess :)