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tsengkoke!12:03
kokehi!12:03
Kyralhey koke12:04
ajmitchhi koke12:05
kokeI'm reviewing my reported bugs on gnome bugzilla. Some of them are >1 year old and have no response :_(12:05
LaserJockonly some ;-)12:05
KyralI guess I can start packaging for KDE now *eyes KBeagle*12:06
netzmeisterahhhh12:12
tsengits called Kerry12:13
netzmeisterhm12:18
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RiddellKyral: who's that?12:33
Kyralhuh?12:33
ajmitchhi Riddell12:33
Riddell21:08 < Kyral> oy...Looks like Riddell got another KDE convert12:34
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Riddellgood evening ajmitch12:34
RiddellKyral: oh, cool :)12:34
KyralI intend to package KBeaglebar (once I make sure it works..)12:34
Riddellwhat does that do?12:35
KyralKicker Beagle Applet thing :P12:35
Toadstoolhi MOTUs12:35
RiddellKyral: how does that communicate with beagle?12:35
tsenglibbeagle12:36
Riddellcool12:36
Kyralwhat tseng said12:36
Riddellfeel free to package Kerry too, we get a lot of requests for that12:36
KyralRiddell: I have Spring Break coming up  next week ;P12:36
KyralOh what are the KDE -dev headers called?12:36
Riddellkdelibs4-dev12:37
Kyraleven for KDE 3.5?12:37
hubKyral: 4 is the so version12:38
Kyraloh12:38
hubKyral: not the software version12:38
hubin the case of KDE it is a bit more complicated12:38
hubbecause kdelibs has more that just one12:38
netdurhub, are you abiword guy?12:39
hubRiddell: I'm half convert12:39
hubnetdur: yes12:39
Riddellthe number on the end of packages doesn't have to have any relationship to the version number of the library, it just has to increate whenever binary compatibility is changed12:39
KyralYukake(sp?) owns :D12:39
Riddellkde also has a stupidly high epoch because of bad version numbering in pre 1.0 releases12:39
netdur:'(12:40
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KyralReminds me of what Slack did lol12:40
hubRiddell: well, it is commonly accepted that the number match the so-version12:41
hubRiddell: lintian is the first to complain :-)12:41
Kyraldamnit12:42
Riddellsure it's nice, but not all library authors have a sane binary compatibility policy, and some packages include lots of libraries12:42
Kyralwe don't have the right libbeagle12:42
hubRiddell: that why I say "commonly accepted" :-)12:42
tsengwhat is the 'right' libbeagle12:42
Kyrallibbeagle-0.0 >= 0.2.112:43
tsengwe have that12:43
tsengbuild-dep on beagle-dev12:44
Kyralyah I know, I installed it and it still complains12:44
tseng/usr/lib/pkgconfig/libbeagle-0.0.pc12:44
Kyraltseng: I'm compiling it first to make sure it works (local install)12:44
netduris there channel to ask legal questions about (ed)ubuntu?12:48
ajmitchnetdur: how many lawyers do you think would regularly be on irc?12:48
netdurdunno12:49
LaserJocknetdur: debian-legal ML would probably be the best bet12:49
netdurit's about ubuntu tradmark12:49
ajmitchnetdur: email is probably best then12:50
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LaserJockjeeze, how long does it take to compile gcc >:(12:52
netdurajmitch, what email?12:52
KyralLFS LaserJock?12:52
ajmitchnetdur: someone at canonical, I'd say12:52
LaserJockKyral: no, stupid OSX, why they don't ship a Fortran compiler, I don't know12:53
netdurthanks12:53
ajmitchhttp://www.canonical.com/contact says info@canonical.com - it may not be the best address, but they will be the ubuntu trademark holder12:54
netdurthank you :)12:55
KyralRiddel what was that other program you are getting a lot of requests for?12:56
LaserJockKerry?12:56
KyralMaybe12:56
RiddellKyral: http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/kerry-0.07-7.src.rpm12:57
Riddelland http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/kio_beagle-0.2-7.src.rpm12:57
KyralIs it on KDE-Apps :P12:57
hubthere is a Qt#?12:58
Kyralyah...there is an EBuild...12:58
hubor did they use C++ for the frontend?12:58
Riddelllibbeagle is C12:58
hubah ok12:59
hubbut libbeagle still calls the CLI stuff, right?01:00
tsengi dont think directly01:00
KyralHow do I manipulate src.rpms?01:00
hubKyral: alien01:00
tsengyou can open it in file-roller01:01
Kyralty01:01
LaserJockKyral: and then wash your hands ;-)01:01
Kyrallol01:01
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LaserJockhi minghua01:37
minghuahello LaserJock01:38
LaserJockminghua: you should check your LP page01:39
minghuaLaserJock: yay for the icon! :-)01:40
minghuaif that's what you mean...01:40
LaserJockyep01:40
LaserJockI think it is pretty cool01:41
minghuayeah, I like it too01:41
minghuais that part of this "UI sprint"?01:41
LaserJockno, a new team member G0SUB offered it01:42
minghuacool01:42
LaserJockargggghhhhhhh01:50
LaserJockI spent all that time building gcc and it didn't compile g77 :(01:51
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minghuawhen do you need to compile gcc by hand?01:58
minghuafink?01:58
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LaserJockminghua: stupid intel mac02:01
LaserJockminghua: I'm trying to run some scipy so that means I have to install scipy which mean I need a Fortran compiler02:02
LaserJockbut I need an Intel Fotran compiler02:02
LaserJockI mean an i386 Fortran compiler02:02
minghuaLaserJock: fink has a separate module for g77 if fink is what you are using02:05
minghuaLaserJock: to be fair, though, I need to compile my own g77 on my powerpc mac as well02:06
LaserJockfink borks on g7702:07
LaserJockso I'm going to give darwin ports a try02:07
LaserJockgreat, now I can't even install darwin ports. This is really aggravating02:12
minghuaLaserJock: probably some wrong options for intel CPU, fink's g77 worked fine on my iBook G402:22
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zakamehi MOTUs02:53
crimsunlo zak02:53
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LaserJockhi crimsun and zakame02:59
crimsunlo lj02:59
LaserJockyou guys know Ebuntu? check out http://www.elivecd.org/03:00
crimsunthose are the checkinstalled E17 packages (last I checked), announced on ubuntu-users multiple times03:01
Amaranthblah03:01
crimsunI think he's in here, too.03:01
Amaranthyeah03:01
Amaranththey're still checkinstalled03:01
ajmitchcheckinstall is a popular program03:03
LaserJockbut elivecd.org seem pretty cool though03:03
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ajmitchStevenK: be glad03:03
ajmitchStevenK: long time no see, where have you been hiding?03:03
zakamehello LaserJock03:03
StevenKajmitch: Hej. Oh, I've been around, its usually after you just left though. :-)03:04
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ajmitchStevenK: typical, I'm only online at work at the moment :)03:04
StevenKHeh03:04
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StevenKSystems Programming 2 - or How to write bad code for Windows in 14 killer weeks.03:05
=== ajmitch is *still* in brisbane, ought to be at uni instead
StevenKSP1 and Operating Systems were both *nix, but SP2 is Windows. :-/03:05
StevenKajmitch: I thought Brisbane was a two week only thing?03:06
crimsunouch03:06
ajmitchStevenK: it was meant to be03:06
ajmitchthen I ran into problems with the drivers I was meant to use :)03:06
StevenKAnd wasn't that supposed to finish like two weeks ago?03:06
ajmitchyes03:06
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ajmitchlike bricklayer03:07
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StevenKDamn it, detect my USB mouse!03:07
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minghuahmm, let me try again03:10
minghuahello, any MOTU have some time to sponsor two uploads for me?03:10
crimsunshoot03:10
minghuaboth of them are existent packages, one of them fix an important bug03:11
minghuathat would be bug #33763 and bug #2926703:11
Ubugtumalone bug 33763 in scim-hangul "scim-hangul: Add im-switch support" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3376303:11
Ubugtumalone bug 29267 in apt-proxy "apt-proxy crashes after upgrading" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2926703:11
crimsunminghua: so http://librarian.launchpad.net/1644752/scim-hangul_im-switch_update-2.debdiff for #33763?03:12
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minghuacrimsun: yes, that's the newest one03:13
crimsunok, I'll handle that one03:13
minghuacrimsun: thanks a lot03:14
crimsun...and since no one else has spoken up about #29267, I guess that one, too03:16
crimsunminghua: both uploaded, thanks.03:21
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minghuacrimsun: thank *you* :-)03:23
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crimsunbah, I'll just reclone03:34
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G0SUBhas anybody seen jpatrick?06:05
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LaserJockUnfrgiven: back06:17
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LaserJockhi G0SUB06:31
G0SUBLaserJock hello!06:31
G0SUBLaserJock are you busy? I have a OT talk with you ...06:31
minghuaG0SUB: thanks for the ubuntu-science icon, I like it06:32
G0SUBminghua you are my hero :) I bow to you ...06:32
LaserJockG0SUB: sure06:32
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minghuaG0SUB: why?06:33
G0SUBminghua heh ... don't be06:33
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G0SUBminghua everybody from Debian-IN will bow to you for your SCIM work06:35
ajmitchLaserJock: no, you need one first06:35
minghuaG0SUB: oh that.  most of the credit should go to SCIM upstream, I suppose :-)06:36
minghuabut glad to know debian-IN people like my scim packages06:36
G0SUBheh, we do06:36
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minghuafreeflying: you got my reply about scim-pinyin, right?07:07
freeflyingminghua: ya07:07
minghuafreeflying: oh good, I saw the upload in dapper-changes07:08
minghuafreeflying: will be waiting for your reply, then07:08
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LaserJockdolson: ping?07:38
dolsonLaserJock: pong07:38
LaserJockdolson: you're up for Membership tomorrow, right?07:38
dolsonyup07:38
dolsonso is G0SUB07:39
LaserJockwhat is the URL of your wiki page?07:39
dolsonhow do I find that out?07:39
dolsonhaha, just kidding. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanaOlson07:39
LaserJocksince I can't make the CC meeting ( 0400 for me) I was going to send an email to the CC for you and G0SUB07:40
dolsonthanks man!07:40
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LaserJocknope, automatically disqualified ;-)07:41
LaserJockdon't worry ajmitch they just want you to have contributed for longer than 2 months, not contributed within the last 2 months ;-)07:41
dolsonheh07:42
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dolsoncrap.. you pinged me and then one of my guys died :(07:42
dolsonand I'm at a boss07:43
LaserJocksorry07:44
dolsonheh, it's not your fault. I shoulda waited for my turn to be over before I started typing07:44
ajmitchLaserJock: they do still look for recent contributions :)07:45
LaserJockglad you made it then ajmitch07:45
ajmitchI think if I'm back in NZ next week, once I clear the uni backlog I'll get stuck into my packages again07:45
LaserJockjezze, what email address would I use for Kamion?07:46
LaserJockhe has got 6 on LP07:47
dolsonall of them07:47
ajmitchthe ubuntu.com address07:47
LaserJockwhich one?07:47
ajmitchthe one he posts to mailing lists with :)07:48
LaserJockgood point07:48
ajmitchLP is taking an age & a day to load a page07:48
ajmitchbut that's because the link here seems saturated07:48
ajmitchssh is lagged by ~10sec or more07:49
minghuaLaserJock: I think CC has a role email address07:50
minghuaLaserJock: if that's what you are doing07:50
LaserJockminghua: yeah, I just wonder if they ever read it ;-)07:51
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LaserJockdolson: ok, email sent to community-council@lists.ubuntu.com08:01
LaserJockI'm going to bed now, cya all!08:01
dolsonme too08:01
dolsonsee ya, and thanks LaserJock08:01
crimsun'morning08:02
LaserJockdolson: np08:02
dolsonmorning crimsun. I'm heading out too.. hope to catch a couple hours before the CC meeting08:02
crimsunk08:02
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Hobbseewow those CC meetings come around fast...08:05
crimsungood thing, too, seeing how there are lots of prospective members08:05
Hobbseetrue08:06
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crimsunheya ajmitch_08:17
Hobbseehey ajmitch08:18
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ajmitch_hi08:24
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=== Mez needs a lil C++ help
Mezanyone wanna gimme a hand?09:47
siretartmorning09:47
siretartMez: paste your problem to a pastebot09:47
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Mezsiretart, nope - just wanna know what type of record new returns ;)09:48
siretarthi crimsun09:48
Mezpointer or reference ?09:48
crimsunhi siretart, Mez09:48
Mezah09:48
MezI dont need to know anyways09:48
siretartMez: new returns just like malloc pointers09:48
Mezah feck09:49
Mezfor09:49
Meznew Program(s, _useExecName)09:49
Mezsorry09:49
Mez_result = new Program(s, _useExecName)09:49
siretartcrimsun: yesterday, I did some investigation about udev in debian, in comparison with ubuntu (re: wpasupplicant)09:49
Mezhow do i define it in the header file09:49
crimsunsiretart: ok09:50
minghuasiretart: I have a question about syncs09:50
siretartcrimsun: IIUC, the point of starting wpasupplicant to /etc/network/ifup.d/ was that in new udev in dapper, udev starts the interface09:50
siretartthis is done in /etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown.rules09:50
minghuasiretart: scim-table was approved for UVF exception, how should I request a sync?09:50
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minghuasiretart: just reply the mails in ubuntu-motu?  will an MOTU ask the sync for me (as I am not MOTU, I suppose elmo won't accept my request)?09:51
crimsunsiretart: as soon as the kernel event for it passes through udev, yes, the interfaces are brought up given an "auto" directive in /etc/network/interfaces09:51
siretartcrimsun: this isn't done in debian. debian has on the one hand an even newer udev, but not such a rule09:51
siretartminghua: yes, just reply as instructed in my mail09:51
siretartthe benefit of bringing up interfaces with udev is hotpluggable network devices09:52
minghuasiretart: okay, will do, thanks09:52
siretarta use case debian doesn't support anyway, at least not out of the box and not as of today09:52
crimsunright09:52
siretartah. now I understand that my setup here on my notebook is rather bullshit. I'm currently starting whereami through /e/n/i, that should better be through a /e/n/ifup.d script..09:54
siretarthm. will fiddle that out09:54
crimsunright :)09:54
siretartok, I think I'll upgrade wpasupplicant trunk branch to 0.4.8, fix some bugs, and document the 3 modes of operation (and implement them of course)09:55
siretartany objections for doing this in our 'stable' branch?09:55
siretarthm.09:56
siretartbetter in wpasupplicant-experimental, and cherrypick back09:56
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siretartMez: I have no idea what you are trying to do09:58
Mezssiretart : ncm09:59
Meznvm09:59
Tonio_hi10:00
crimsunsiretart: yes, please cherry-pick10:00
siretartokay10:00
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netzmeisterhello10:39
netzmeisteri'm hungry :-(10:39
kiko-zzzthere is this invention that cavemen used that can fix that10:57
StevenKCavemen certainly didn't invent eating.11:04
=== Mez growls
MezI cant figure out where these darn errors are coming from11:17
Mezanyone good at C++ and care to help me out11:18
siretartMez: it would be easier to help you if you could describe your problem better. consider reading esr's 'smart questions' howto11:19
Mezsiretart: give me a chance11:19
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MezI'm pushing my bzr branch11:22
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deadchiphey guys11:39
deadchipwhat's the latest glib verson in dapper?11:39
deadchipjust asking cause we raised the dependency for glib in our app to glib 2.1011:39
deadchipand we want it to be buildable at least on dapper...11:39
crimsunwe have 2.1011:40
crimsun *** 2.10.0-0ubuntu3 011:40
crimsun        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages11:40
deadchipcrimsun, ok11:42
deadchipthanks :)11:42
crimsunnp11:42
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phanatichi people12:18
Gloubiboulgahey phanatic12:18
phanatichey Gloubiboulga :)12:19
phanaticGloubiboulga: today is the day ;)12:19
Gloubiboulgayep, I know :)12:19
G0SUBGloubiboulga will you be at the meet?12:19
GloubiboulgaG0SUB, no sorry...12:19
phanaticbad news :(12:19
G0SUBoops!12:19
GloubiboulgaI have to leave at 12:00 UTC12:20
crimsund'oh, I need to grab alsa-utils_1.0.10-1ubuntu8.dsc and rerun my diff.12:20
G0SUBI see12:20
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minghuaG0SUB: I am just dropping by to have a look01:03
G0SUBminghua oh, great01:04
minghuaG0SUB: I'll probably leave early to go to bed01:04
minghuaG0SUB: good luck01:04
G0SUBminghua thanks a lot!01:04
siretartogra: thanks!01:11
ogra:)01:11
minghuaEr... the CC meeting doesn't seem to be starting, I think I'll go to bed01:19
G0SUBminghua heh, sweet dreams :)01:20
phanaticminghua: good nicht then01:20
phanatics/nicht/night01:20
minghuabye01:20
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YagisanG'day All01:49
Hobbseehey Yagisan01:50
YagisanG'day Hobbsee01:50
Yagisanwhat's up ?01:50
phanatichi Yagisan01:50
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YagisanI sacked CSU this week01:51
YagisanLooking at enrolling at Central Queensland Uni instead01:51
Hobbseecentral queensland uni....havent heard of that one...01:53
YagisanHobbsee: http://www.cqu.edu.au/01:54
YagisanThey have a campus in Town Hall/Wynyard if I actually need to see someone face to face01:55
Hobbseeah yep01:55
Hobbseethat's in sydney though, isnt it?01:55
Yagisanyes01:56
Hobbseethought so01:56
YagisanCSU had communication issues01:56
Yagisanstill have sent a receipt for money paid01:56
Yagisanand not very approachable for the subjects01:56
Yagisanie ask question - mysteriously get acussed of plagarism - fail01:56
Hobbseeah yep01:57
Hobbseegreat01:57
Yagisan:(01:58
YagisanHence, why I change.01:58
YagisanHow is Mac Uni ? Going well ?01:58
Hobbseewow, you remembered?01:59
Hobbseeah yeah, it's fun :)01:59
Hobbseechem's a little boring, but the rest is ok01:59
Hobbseecomp115 is interesting01:59
Hobbseeand the constructions still going crazy - its supposed to be done by easter - yay!01:59
YagisanI tend to remember what people do - just not always their name or face, which can be embarrassing sometimes02:00
Hobbseeyep02:00
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HobbseeYagisan: just remember that i'm a chick - that should separate me from most people :P02:01
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Hobbseeyes02:01
Hobbseehehe02:01
Yagisannice. I never met many women when I did my IT training. Mostly guys in class.02:02
Hobbseeyes, there arent many of us02:02
YagisanI suppose the guys still try to hit on you ? (It seemed almost routine in TAFE, it was like "a chick - I'm going over")02:04
Yagisanor have they learned their lessons yet ?02:04
Hobbseeheh02:04
Hobbseewell, you know...some certainly do...02:04
Hobbseehavent had it *that* much at uni, so far02:04
Hobbseebut it's not uncommon for the guys at work to hit on me, etc02:05
Hobbseehopefully they've learned their lesson02:05
StevenKHeh. There's a girl in my Systems Programming 2 class.02:05
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HobbseeStevenK: and how many times have you tried hitting on her, so far? :P02:06
StevenKHobbsee: None.02:06
Hobbseeoh good!02:06
StevenKHobbsee: But only because I'm married. :-)02:06
Hobbseehehe02:06
G0SUBhehe02:06
Hobbseewell that's a good excuse02:06
Hobbseeer, reason, i mean02:06
StevenKIt's not an excuse!02:06
Hobbseebrain is dying tonight!02:06
StevenKExactly.02:06
Hobbseesorry, i really did mean reason02:06
StevenKIt's okay, I'm yanking your chain. ;-)02:06
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Hobbsee:P02:07
YagisanI have two reasons. 1) I'm very picky. 2) My wife will souvenir my testicles if I do.02:07
Hobbseehehe02:07
StevenKHeh02:07
YagisanI'd rather not sound like tiny tim.02:07
StevenKMy wife would do that too. And then her friends would probably finish me off for hurting for.02:08
StevenKs/ing for/ing her/02:08
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Hobbseeif that makes sense...which i'm sure it doesnt...02:08
StevenKHobbsee: Remind me never to piss you off.02:08
Hobbseehehe!02:08
YagisanI doubt my wife would leave much of me left.02:09
StevenKHobbsee: I saw that wicked gleam!02:09
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HobbseeLOL!02:09
StevenKYagisan: A chalk outline? :-)02:09
YagisanOf course, then the regret would sink in. "Oh my god, I killed the pack horse, I mean my husband"02:09
Hobbseeheh02:09
StevenKHahah02:10
StevenK"Oh my god, I killed the chaffeuer, I mean my husband." -- my case02:10
Yagisanof course my wife isn't quite that bad. But since her injury, she can even lift the kids up, so I do a lot of lifting etc for her02:11
StevenKYagisan: Understandable.02:11
StevenKYagisan: So she wouldn't kill you, but get you to perform hari-kari?02:11
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YagisanThe hospital realised yesterday what a fuck up they did. I need to take her everyday :(02:12
YagisanStevenK: no, seppuku02:12
StevenKOnly yesterday?02:12
Yagisanyes, some 3 and a half months after they tore her in half02:13
StevenKSeppuku is also known in English as hara-kiri02:13
StevenK(Which is what I meant)02:13
YagisanHobbsee: advice. Don't ever give birth at westmead public hospital.02:13
Hobbseeeek02:13
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Hobbseeit's not really near me anywya, but yeah02:14
StevenKI'm going to convince my wife for a private hospital.02:14
StevenKHobbsee: Where in Sydney are you?02:14
YagisanHobbsee: they *will forcibly discharge you without checking what is wrong*02:14
HobbseeStevenK: around pennant hills02:14
Hobbseeso...north west...02:14
StevenKHobbsee: Heh, you're close to me.02:14
HobbseeStevenK: and you are where?02:15
StevenKBlacktown02:15
Hobbseenot really...but sorta02:15
Hobbseecloser than a lot of others are!02:15
StevenKMy mother used to work in Pennant Hills, so I know my way around there.02:15
Yagisanthe local hospital could not take my wife :( no faculties available for a VBAC birth :(02:15
StevenK(At the CBA)02:15
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StevenKHobbsee: Sydney is a big place, a 25 minute drive is supposed to be close. :-P02:16
Hobbseehehe02:17
Hobbseethat's me to uni distance :D02:17
StevenKHobbsee: Macquarie?02:17
StevenKAt a guess02:17
HobbseeStevenK: yes02:17
StevenKHeh, yay me02:17
StevenKMy sister goes to Mq02:17
Hobbseewhat course?02:17
StevenKTeaching, the poor girl02:17
Hobbseeeep02:18
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StevenKYou can tell Yagisan and I are well trained.02:19
Hobbseehehe!02:19
Yagisanre. Child 1 of 2 Complete02:19
Yagisan:)02:19
StevenKHow does one force a child process to sleep() anyway ....02:20
StevenKOne of these days I am going to write my book: "Parenting the UNIX way."02:20
Hobbseea large brick, but that's not usually recommended :P02:20
StevenKHobbsee: Excuse me, I need to pick up my jaw.02:20
Hobbseehehe02:20
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Hobbseeor let them stay up till they literally fall asleep?02:21
Hobbseethat's what i usually do02:21
StevenKHobbsee: And the next thing I was going to come out with was, "If you get a signal, you reap your children", but the brick sounds far more brutal.02:21
Yagisanit's hard. After a child process has been running for a certain period of time, typically 10-12 hours, signals tend to be ignored02:21
StevenKHeh02:21
Hobbseehehe02:21
StevenKThey fall into D state?02:21
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Hobbseeugh, i'm not sure how one goes about reaping a child, but i certainly dont like the way i misread that statement!02:22
Hobbseeanyway, what's the D state?02:22
StevenKHobbsee: ps aux02:23
YagisanI then need to isolate the process, apply a signal 15 (teddy bear), and wait 5 minutes, before repeating as required02:23
Hobbseeah yes02:23
StevenKHobbsee: You see the S and R, S being Sleeping and R being Run, D is Dead/Disk02:23
Hobbseeyep, right02:23
StevenKYagisan: Surely signal 1002:23
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Yagisanmeah - perhaps. I haven't been able to think straight in days02:24
StevenKHobbsee: I want a baby shirt that reads "child process"02:24
Hobbseehehe!02:24
StevenKYagisan: With 10 being USR102:24
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Yagisan*notes*02:25
StevenKHobbsee: Or two shirts. Both say "fork()" on the front, with the kiddo's saying "0" on the back, and mine saying "2563" on the back02:25
slomois someone with an pentium4/pentium-m running dapper here and has some time for debugging something? :)02:25
StevenKslomo: yes and no02:25
YagisanHobbsee: you may find the geek of your dreams here ;)02:25
Hobbseeheh02:25
StevenKBut I'm taken!02:25
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StevenKFar away.02:25
HobbseeLOL!02:25
siretartStevenK: have you seen the linda patch sladen uploaded for fixing the mo issue?02:26
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StevenKsiretart: Yes.02:26
StevenKEek02:26
StevenKYou haven't met my wife, have you? :-P02:26
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StevenKMuahaha02:26
Yagisanrun StevenK, run !02:26
Hobbseehehe!02:26
Hobbseecant say that i have, no02:27
StevenKPart of me is thinking, "Eh, could be fun." The other part is thinking "ohshitohshit, run"02:27
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HobbseeStevenK: is safe02:27
StevenKHeh02:27
dolsondholbach isn't around? :(02:28
StevenKdolson: I thought he was for a moment, I keep getting your two nicks confused.02:28
jsgotangcodolson, dont worry i'll support you based on very cool pics heh02:28
dolsonheh02:28
StevenKsiretart: I have a plan; it's just waiting for some free time02:28
dolsonlol, thanks jsgotangco. I'm sure that the pics should seal the deal for the CC02:29
StevenKMainly, killing the .mo files from /usr/share/locale, and shipping them under /usr/share/linda02:29
siretartok. just wanted to make sure that you are aware of it02:29
StevenKThat will also fix the 4 or so bugs that got filed by people that keep using localepurge02:30
Hobbseeanywya, night all02:31
Yagisancompletely off topic, but anyone here (other then me) run folding@home ?02:31
StevenKHobbsee: Night!02:31
Yagisannight Hobbsee02:31
StevenKYagisan: I fold the washing, is that the same thing?02:31
YagisanStevenK: no, but nice try02:32
Hobbseehehe02:32
Yagisanteamubuntu could use some help02:32
StevenKAh.02:32
StevenKseti@home like02:33
Yagisanyes02:33
StevenKMy CPUs usually have better things to do.02:33
YagisanFYI the forum thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10231302:33
YagisanStevenK: occasionally my boxes actually are idle. esp the firewall - it gets bored02:33
Yagisanthis one might have some medical benefit though.02:34
StevenKYagisan: Most of my machines are non-i38602:34
StevenK4 are, out of 802:35
Yagisanah, any amd64 ? (Sidenote, I'd like some non i386 boxes)02:35
StevenK4 i386, sparc64, alpha, parisc, amd6402:36
dolsonyay and all that02:36
StevenKI could grab a ppc to add to my collection, except I don't know what to do with it, or where to keep it.02:36
dolsonthanks siretart, raphink, ogra, jsgotangco02:37
siretart:)02:37
raphinkdolson: congrats02:38
YagisanStevenK: I participate because I have relatives that suffer from Alzheimer's Disease. Hopefully its useful.02:38
jsgotangcocheers02:38
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StevenKAh02:38
ogradolson, well deserved :)02:38
dolsonhope you're right :)02:39
ograjudging your past work, i am ... :)02:39
phanaticsiretart, raphink, ogra: thanks for your support :)02:45
raphink:)02:45
ogra:)02:45
raphinkyou deserve it02:45
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phanatic:)02:45
G0SUBi hope somebody will cheer for me too! :)02:45
phanaticnow i have to rush for my maths lesson02:46
phanatic:)02:46
G0SUBjpatrick! where are you my friend?02:46
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raphinkgood luck with your maths phanatic02:46
phanaticthx :)02:47
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dolsonG0SUB: you should be fine on your own merits. :) I can't really vouch for you, being what I am, or I would02:51
G0SUBdolson hehe ... let's hope :) you can at least cheer for this poor fellow :)02:51
dolsonGimme a G! G! You got your G, you got your G! Gimme a zero!02:52
G0SUBhehe02:53
dolsonG0000000000000 SUB!!02:53
G0SUBdolson you are a c00l dude :)02:53
dolsonyou don't know me that well, heh02:53
freeflyingwow , anyone will help me for MOTU ,hehe02:54
crimsunfreeflying: is that a question?02:55
freeflyingcrimsun: ya02:55
freeflyingcrimsun: hope can do more with you MOTUs02:56
crimsunfreeflying: certainly02:56
raphink:)02:56
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freeflyingcrimsun: so I just wonder shat shall do , hehe02:56
dolsoncongrats G0SUB. I told you :)03:08
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dolsondholbach is here!03:09
dholbachhi dolson03:09
dolsondholbach: I had hoped you would be at the CC meeting to vouch for me03:09
dolsonbut you were offline03:09
dolsonand I didn't get in :(03:09
dolsonmaybe next time03:09
dholbachsorry, we were at lunch03:10
crimsundolson: what's holding you back?03:10
dolsondholbach: just kidding, hahah! I am in :)03:10
crimsunhah03:10
dholbachhi crimsun and everybody else03:11
dolson(I hope he has a sense of humor)03:11
G0SUBdolson thanks!03:11
crimsunhi daniel :)03:11
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crimsun'night Yagisan03:13
dolsonI think I'll go to bed too. It is after 9am, and I had about a half hour of sleep03:13
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ArmeBosseany motu for kvpnc and klibido ?03:41
ArmeBossehttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=211703:41
ArmeBossehttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=211803:42
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ArmeBosselogcpp too ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=206603:43
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nomeddholbach, ping03:51
dholbachnomed: pong03:51
nomeddholbach, do u think it will be possible to have tango icons in main ?03:52
crimsun...there are already.03:52
nomedsince ?03:52
nomed:/03:52
crimsunMon, 10 Oct 2005 20:24:47 +020003:53
crimsunthat is, zcat /usr/share/doc/tango-icon-theme/changelog.Debian.gz|tail -2 |awk -F'>' '{ print $2 }'03:54
dholbachnomed: we're already having an icon discussion over here, and we're going to use the tango icon set in an altered way - I think we don't need the same set of icons in main "twice"03:54
crimsunoh, I completely misparsed that, way to go me03:55
dholbachwe already tried to make the amount of packages in main smaller, as 'main' means 'supported by canonical' and it means '3 years of fixes for the desktop'03:55
dholbachso there are always more things than "it'd be nice to have it" to consider :/03:55
nomeddholbach, why not Inherit=Tango in ubuntu icons ?03:55
nomeddholbach, i understand ...03:55
nomedit 's because we'll discuss about xubuntu icons this evening03:56
nomedand my idea was to Inherit=Tango in xubuntu-icon-theme03:56
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dholbachnomed: we're already having an icon discussion over here, and we're going to use the tango icon set in an altered way - I think we don't need the same set of icons in main "twice"03:57
dholbachwe already tried to make the amount of packages in main smaller, as 'main' means 'supported by canonical' and it means '3 years of fixes for the desktop'03:58
dholbachso there are always more things than "it'd be nice to have it" to consider :/03:58
nomedok03:58
ogranote also that we already make huge concessions for xubuntu ...03:59
ograi wasnt eager to keep xscreensaver in main ...03:59
nomedogra, yes i understand04:00
ogra(only one example )04:01
ograwe once had a policy to not duplicate apps in main ...04:01
ograbuut i understand why xubuntu doesnt want gnome-screensaver04:02
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Mithrandirxscreensaver is a fair bit more mature than g-ss, IMO04:05
ograpower management will be a problem with it now04:06
ograand i dont agree that its more mature if i look at integration04:06
ograi neither agree about the implementation ....04:06
ograbut xss is more feature complete, thats for sure ...04:07
ogra(as you would expect for a >20year old software)04:07
Mithrandirxss doesn't lock my screen every five minute when resuming, for instance. :-P04:07
ograMithrandir, thats a g-p-m bug04:07
ograit needs to talk to g-s-s to determine activity04:08
ograelse it will call dpms off ...04:08
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Mithrandirstrange that it happens without g-p-m running, then?04:08
Mithrandirit's not dpms, it's _locking_ the screen.  The screen is definitively on.04:08
ograhmm, i wonder whats so special bout your install then ... i dont see it anywhere and have no further bugs about it ... the only thing that comes up moore often is g-p-m using dpms while it shouldnt04:10
Mithrandirit's just half of dbus dying on suspend and resume and apps not coping.04:10
ograbut why is dbus dying ?04:11
Mithrandirjust a bunch of the apps.04:11
Mithrandirno idea why04:11
Mithrandirit's not relevant, really.  g-ss should cope with g-p-m going away.04:12
ograah, so its not g-s-s alone04:12
ograyup, i agree ...04:12
MithrandirI haven't debugged it, but that's my guess, yes.04:12
ogramy probblem is really the big discrepancy in respondability between the two upstreams ... hughsie is really fast with his fixes to g-p-m .... g-s-s upstream bugs get rejected first, then discussed on the list etc etc ...04:13
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freeflyinghttp://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/log4cpp-0602262010/log4cpp-0.3.4b/debian/liblog4cpp3-dev.install04:19
freeflyinghttp://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/log4cpp-0602262010/log4cpp-0.3.4b/debian/liblog4cpp3-dev.dirs04:19
freeflyingogra: hi04:19
freeflyingwhy these two file's content are not the same  ?04:20
raphinkfreeflying: well dirs contain the dirs to be created for the package, and install where to install the files in the system04:20
raphinkfreeflying: you were telling me about the .files though04:20
freeflyingraphink: ya, my fault04:21
freeflyingraphink: but why dose he use .install and .files in one package ?04:22
raphinkcan you give the url to the .files please?04:22
freeflyingraphink: I mean in the same package , why some binary use .install and others use .files ?04:23
raphinkah?04:23
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raphinkdoesn't matter04:23
raphinkit's better to use the same standards for homogeneity04:23
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raphinkimo04:23
ArmeBossefreeflying: cleanup mistake, files isn't needed anymor04:23
ArmeBossefiles was probably used in 0.2.804:23
freeflyingArmeBosse: this is package already in debain ?04:24
ArmeBosseyes04:24
freeflyingArmeBosse: so you sync or merge it ?04:24
ArmeBossemerge04:25
ArmeBossewhy ?04:25
freeflyingArmeBosse: how about use merge from debian in your changelog ?04:25
ArmeBosseinstead of : Initial Ubuntu release based on Debian package04:26
ArmeBossesync is applicable too in this case ?04:27
ograubuntu already has liblog4cpp ...04:28
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ogra(so it cant be "Initial Ubuntu release")04:29
ArmeBosseyep right04:29
freeflyingAmaranth: in kvpnc, why do you use kvpnc.links ?04:30
Amaranthwhat?04:30
ArmeBossebetter ? : Sync with debian package04:30
ArmeBossefreeflying: cdbs do it ?04:31
Amaranthi haven't touched kvpnc04:31
ograand its a cxx transition i bet04:31
ArmeBosseAmaranth: ArmeBosse ;)04:31
freeflyingArmeBosse: sure cdbs can do it in your rules04:31
ograAmaranth, but why ? its always been there ... you *could* have touched it already :P04:31
freeflyingAmaranth: sorrry ?04:31
ArmeBosseheh04:32
Amaranthogra: it starts with a k :P04:32
ograhehe04:32
ogra:)04:32
freeflyingogra: we'd advocate edubuntu in china, but firstly you'd help me on packageing  :)04:34
ograheh04:35
ogra:)04:35
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freeflyingogra: don't just laugh  :)04:36
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ArmeBosseraphink: i need libtool in build-dep because i use it in rules04:37
raphinkah ok ArmeBosse then good04:37
ArmeBossei need to update changelog ..04:37
ografreeflying, i'm not laughing about you, it was the  sound of happiness about edubuntu promotion coming out of my mounth :)04:38
freeflyingArmeBosse: in klibido , only one binary package , why use a dirs04:38
freeflyingogra:  hehe04:38
freeflyingogra: but you'd solve the chinese fonts problem , anyway04:39
ograi currently have space problems due to the chinese fonts ...04:39
ograyour two new packages are twice as big as the old four packages that were there04:40
freeflyingogra: how about give u new one04:40
ogra(which makes +1MB .... i only have 400k on the CD)04:40
ArmeBossefreeflying: see changelog ;) Converted to cdbs :) and i'm new user of cdbs04:41
ArmeBossefreeflying: i must drop dirs file ?04:42
ograArmeBosse, you took an existing debian package and changed the packaging system ?04:42
freeflyingArmeBosse: only one binary package at all04:42
ArmeBosseogra: in debian and current ubuntu universe there's 0.2.4.1 and use debhelper04:43
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ArmeBosseogra: can't be done ?04:43
ograArmeBosse, yes, but its considered *very evil* to just channge someone else package completely ...04:44
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ograArmeBosse, what doe the debina maintainer say about it ...04:44
ogra*debian04:44
freeflyingogra: but if the maintainer agree on , then can he do like yhis04:44
ArmeBosseogra: ok, i'm not evil :) i can revert to debhelper04:44
freeflyings/yhis/this04:44
ArmeBosseogra: i didn't asked debian maintainer ...04:45
ografreeflying, sure, but its still a lot of work we have to carry around04:45
ograArmeBosse, what was wrong with the debhelper packaging ?04:45
ArmeBossenothing special :) i'm playing with cdbs ATM ...04:45
freeflyingArmeBosse: imo, you'd remove the dir in debian dir04:46
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ograyou should in any case understand debhelper to its deepst first ...04:47
ArmeBossei need to learn cdbs for some team maintainance related work, so i started on real package04:48
ArmeBosseogra: i already know debhelper, my previous packages were with it04:48
ograArmeBosse, fine then04:48
ArmeBosseogra: it's not a problem to revert klibido to debhelper :)04:49
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raphinkI prefer cdbs though04:49
raphinkit's easier to review and maintain04:49
ograbut dont take existing packages and change their packaging system we'll have to carry around the difference forever04:49
freeflyingcdbs saves time and work for us04:49
ArmeBossemaintainance team = kde packaging related stuff ;)04:49
raphinkogra: sure04:49
ograraphink, tons of useless overhad cdbs is ...04:49
ografreeflying, but it doesnt give you any insight how to do packaging right04:50
freeflyingogra: ya04:50
ografreeflying, i wouldnt approve any motu who doesnt know debhelper at all ...04:51
ArmeBosseogra: can you please add this comment on the package, there's 3 package in review in the same time ... i need a track ;)04:51
siretartfreeflying: cdbs can also cause major headaches in more complicated packages04:51
ograArmeBosse, i dont even have an account :)04:51
ArmeBosseheh04:51
freeflyingsiretart: but in simple stuff, it woks quickly at all :)04:51
siretartright04:52
freeflyingogra: I do hope you can solve the chinese fonts problem in dapper  :)04:53
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ArmeBosseraphink: log4cpp changelog updated05:04
ArmeBossehttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=212005:04
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Amaranthgnome bug 31326805:38
Ubugtugnome bug 313268 in gobject "Introspection namespace->file mapping, use gmodule instead of dlopen, etc.." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31326805:38
Amaranthneat05:38
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siretarthowdy dholbach05:49
dholbachhellas siretart05:52
chillywillywhy does /proc/cpuinfo show my amd athon64 3400+ w/ a clock speed of only 1GHz?05:52
chillywillyin dapper05:52
chillywillykernel 2.6.15-17-amd64-k805:53
chillywillycpu MHz         : 999.91705:53
siretartdholbach: could you please have a look at the the seahorse uvf request? I prepared a package which works for me and I'd like to upload it05:53
chillywillyI don't think that is correct05:53
dholbachsiretart: 0.9.0?05:53
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siretartchillywilly: because powernowd scales your processor down to 1ghz. this is cool and quiet05:53
siretartdholbach: no, 0.8.105:53
dholbachsiretart: what about 0.9?05:54
siretartI attached both diffstats, also for 0.905:54
dholbachrighto05:54
siretartdholbach: slomo and I have agreed that we will prepare test packages for public testing first. the new features look interesting, but they are quite invasive05:54
dholbachi see05:54
ograchillywilly, sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-$(uname -r) && apt-get source -b ... then wait 5 min and cat /proc/cpuinfo .... see, it helps :)05:55
siretartbut 0.8.1 seems pretty safe and fixes most (if not all) problems in seahorse/dapper05:55
chillywillyogra: what is that exactly doing? building a new kernel?05:56
ograheh, yes05:56
ogragiving your CPU some work to do ...05:56
chillywillyic05:56
ograpowernowd scales the cpu speed dynamically according to the load05:57
chillywillyso it dynamically scales it05:57
siretartyou may also start up some bigger applications like openoffice or something05:57
siretartchillywilly: yes, see the manpage05:57
chillywillynifty05:58
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phanatichi Seveas06:28
Seveashi06:28
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phanaticSeveas: i'd like to ask you to put me on the "wanna-cloak" list :)06:28
Seveassure06:29
phanaticthanks06:29
Seveaswhat was your real name again?06:29
LaserJocknetzmeister: Gueten Morgen06:29
phanaticSeveas: Szilveszter Farkas06:30
Seveasok, you're on the list06:30
netzmeisterLaserJock:  no, its not morning..06:31
netzmeister;-)06:31
netzmeisterwe've half past six ;-)06:31
LaserJockit is here though ;-)06:41
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tomacan someone close the revu request at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1930 ? It can be removed, because it will be synced from debian now that the uvf exception is confirmed. I dont have a login to do it myself.07:30
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phanatichi G0SUB07:40
G0SUBphanatic :)07:40
phanatici just want to congrat :)07:40
phanaticcouldn't be there07:40
phanaticbut i saw you did it :)07:40
G0SUBLaserJock thanks a lot for the testimonial ... helped a lot!07:40
G0SUBphanatic heh, thanks!07:40
phanaticraphink: sent you a mail07:44
LaserJockG0SUB: I read the irc log this morning, good work :-)07:48
G0SUBLaserJock I am indebted to you ...07:48
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G0SUBLaserJock I will get to MOTU-Science as soon as I get some time ...07:49
LaserJocklol, just what I need, another slave to do my bidding ;-)07:50
G0SUBhaha07:50
LaserJockG0SUB: do you have some background with scientific apps for linux?07:50
G0SUBLaserJock I don't understand07:51
LaserJockG0SUB: I'm interested in getting lists of scientific apps that are in Ubuntu07:51
G0SUBaah, that I can do ...07:51
LaserJockG0SUB: I have lists made up of the math, science, and tex sections but many apps are in other sections of the repo07:52
G0SUBi see07:52
LaserJockG0SUB: we need to get a list of those others07:52
G0SUBfine ... I will do an audit07:52
LaserJockG0SUB: that would be very helpful to me07:52
G0SUBI will do it07:52
LaserJockgreat, thanks07:53
G0SUBLaserJock any idea if there is a comprehensive list of packages in universe?07:53
phanaticG0SUB: apt-cache maybe? ;)07:53
G0SUBhaha07:53
phanaticG0SUB: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is a nicer interface...07:54
LaserJockyeah, it won't be terribly trivial but once it is done we can subscribe to all those packages in Malone and track Debian and Ubuntu versions07:55
G0SUBfine ...07:56
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Xoritorok... so i have to apply some patches to something... again08:11
Xoritorheh08:11
Xoritorthese are external patches, and in order to distribute the pristine sources as well as the patches how can i apply them et.al.08:11
ArmeBosseraphink: log4cpp, klibido and kvpnc updated08:13
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LaserJockXoritor: how do you mean?08:22
XoritorLaserJock, i want to apply the snortsam patches to snort (already rebuilding it to include prelude support)08:22
Xoritorincluding prelude support does not require patches (its part of snort)08:23
LaserJockXoritor: ok08:23
Xoritorbut snortsam requres patches08:23
Xoritoras it adds some things08:23
Xoritornot any requirements for building but some targets and what not08:23
Xoritorso i want to be able to give the pristine source (as the manual says to do)08:24
Xoritorand provide the snortsam patches (for those that want to build it themselves)08:24
Xoritorand so that I can give the changes upstream to the snort maintainer08:24
Xoritoronce i have it all worked out08:25
LaserJockXoritor: does it already use a patch system such as dpatch?08:25
Xoritorno it does its own thing08:25
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Xoritorit has a patchsnort.sh that it uses08:25
Xoritorhttp://www.snortsam.net/08:27
Xoritorerr...08:27
Xoritorhttp://www.snortsam.net/download.html08:27
Xoritorthats got the patch instructions on it...08:27
Xoritorie... run sh patchsnort.sh snort-2.4.308:28
Xoritoror whatever08:28
Xoritorthen it does applies some patches and does alot of seds08:28
Xoritors/does applies/applies/08:29
LaserJockso I guess you would want to replicate that with your patches08:29
Xoritorwell what i was wanting to do is make sure i distribute a pristine source tree08:29
Xoritoris there a way to apply patches when building it?08:29
Xoritorhow should paches be distributed?08:30
Xoritorexternal?08:30
Xoritorin the source tree?08:30
Xoritorshould i just pre-patch it and name it snort-snortsam-2.4.308:30
Xoritoror08:30
Xoritor?08:30
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Xoritorthere are lots of things that COULD be done... im asking what the logical and acceptible practice is08:31
LaserJockwell, I usually use dpatch to do that but if they aren't using it to start with ...08:31
LaserJockXoritor: I suppose you could always email the maintainer and ask them for their preference08:32
Xoritorthats a good idea08:33
Xoritori thought maybe there was a general concensus08:33
Xoritorie... a "this is how everyone does it" type of thing08:33
LaserJocklol, consensus among Debian/Ubuntu devs?08:34
Xoritorbetter to ask and look stupid then get smarted than to blindly do and piss everyone off and have to re-do it08:34
Xoritor;-)08:34
Xoritorheeh08:34
Xoritorheh08:34
Xoritorwell... i notice snort, prelude, etc... are not built for ubuntu really at all08:34
Xoritorthey are built for debain08:34
Xoritorand they have some "issues" when going to dapper08:35
LaserJockthat is why I said Debian/Ubuntu ;-)08:35
Xoritorhehe08:37
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mat|lhi there, is anyone taking care of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/straw/+bug/33956 ? it's confirmed, so it probably only needs to be built/uploaded08:58
Ubugtumalone bug 33956 in straw "UVF exception request (0.25.1 -> 0.26)" [Normal,Needs info] 08:58
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phanatichi rraphink :)09:05
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herzi_x41can any1 tell me how to add diversions to a package? neither google nor ubuntu wiki do help me much (if i only knew a small package that uses diversions)09:31
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LaserJockherzi_x41: what doo  you mean by diversions exactly?09:55
herziwhen a file wants to override a file from another package09:55
LaserJockhave you tried the Debian Policy manual?09:56
herzii found a link to the "debian packaging guide" but that doesn't exist anymore09:57
LaserJockhttp://www.debian.org/devel/ has several packaging related docs09:58
LaserJockbut in general I don't think it is ok to have files that override files from another package09:59
herzii found it, thanks09:59
herzioh it is better than overwriting files locally09:59
LaserJockmat|l: have you got an answer yet?10:00
mat|lLaserJock: about what? ontv ? no10:00
LaserJock"hi there, is anyone taking care of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/straw/+bug/33956 ? it's confirmed, so it probably only needs to be built/uploaded"10:01
Ubugtumalone bug 33956 in straw "UVF exception request (0.25.1 -> 0.26)" [Normal,Needs info] 10:01
herziLaserJock: e.g. i have a very new i810 driver on my notebook, i need to overwrite i810_drv.so from xserver-xorg-driver-i810 libshadow.so from xserver-xorg-code and i915_dri.so from libgl1-mesa-dri so I can update my system and everything will still work well and quickly10:01
mat|lLaserJock: nothing yet :)10:02
LaserJockmat|l: I think Daniel Holbach (dholbach) will take care of it. He handles the UVF exceptions primarily.10:03
mat|lok, I was just asking here because there hasn't been any activity on that bug for the last few days10:03
mat|land I had some free time to test the new version since I'm a ontv lover :)10:04
LaserJockyou sure you got the right bug?10:04
mat|leerr, actually I didn't10:05
mat|lgood catch :)10:05
mat|lhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ontv/+bug/3344110:05
Ubugtumalone bug 33441 in ontv "UVF exception 1.6.2 -> 1.8.6" [Normal,Confirmed] 10:05
mat|lthis is the one I was talking about, sorry about the confusion10:06
mat|lI'd love to see a new straw too but that's a different thing :)10:06
LaserJockmat|l: no problem, I think it should be in the pipeline. We are waiting for a lot of stuff to get through the queues right now10:07
mat|lok10:07
LaserJockmat|l: if Daniel and Reinhard are on it then it'll get done :-)10:08
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LaserJockhi minghua and marcin`10:20
minghuagood afternoon LaserJock10:20
G0SUBminghua :)10:23
minghuahi G0SUB, how did the CC meeting went?10:25
G0SUBminghua awesome ... I passed! so did my LoCo Team10:25
minghuaG0SUB: glad to hear that, congrats!10:25
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LaserJockyeah, so the Indian and Chinese LoCo teams did pretty well at the CC meeting (from looking at the irc logs)10:26
G0SUBminghua why does the debian NM process take so long? can't we make it a bit more faster?10:27
G0SUBLaserJock heh, we did10:27
minghuaG0SUB: the Debian NM is actually equivalent to Ubuntu member + developer, so you can imagine the requirement is higher10:27
G0SUBminghua requirement is okay ... but the AM appointment itself takes a long time10:28
minghuaG0SUB: and in Debian there is this legal issue, i.e., you need to be able to tell what software is free, besides the technical skills10:28
G0SUBminghua i am aware of that ...10:28
minghuaG0SUB: I believe it's equally hard to get the core-dev status in ubuntu10:29
G0SUBin Ubuntu you can become a member one day and a MOTU the next day10:29
minghuaand Debian people don't have as much time as Ubuntu people for evaluating new members, I suppose10:29
G0SUBpossible10:29
LaserJockG0SUB: also since our development is faster, you get to see a broader range of issues faster10:30
G0SUBLaserJock I agree10:30
LaserJockbut when you consider that in essence a DD is roughly equal to a core dev the time isn't that different10:30
G0SUBLaserJock but you have to realise that the DD process itself is much shorter than the time taken in appointing sombody to do the checking, etc.10:31
G0SUBfor example, I have applied a month back ... and I have an advocate ... still no AM appointed10:32
G0SUBif an AM was appointed within a week, then I would have gone through at least half the process10:33
LaserJockwell, you have to realize there are ~1000 DDs and aout ~50 Ubuntu devs so it is easier in Ubuntu because of the smaller numbers10:33
G0SUBagain, that's also possible10:33
G0SUBbut many DDs are also in a dormant state or are MIA10:33
LaserJockI agree that it would be nice if some of the "paperwork" type issues in the DD process went faster, although I haven't done it myself so I don't know for sure10:33
G0SUBso the number of active DDs would be far less10:33
G0SUBjust look at this list https://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php10:34
Kyralhmm10:34
Kyralokay, people feel free to peg me with package requests for Next Week10:35
KyralI'll be bored :D10:35
G0SUBheh10:35
KyralI already have Kerry on my list10:35
KyralI'm thinking of combining a bunch of Konqueror Service Menus from KDE-Apps into one big package10:36
G0SUBbtw, do Ubuntu members get shell accounts like people.ubuntu.com/~username ?10:37
KyralI dunno10:37
G0SUBok10:37
KyralDangit, I should talk to Riddell about if I'm allowed to put things in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-profile/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus10:40
LaserJockG0SUB: no they don't.10:40
G0SUBLaserJock I have seen some people .... or are they MOTUs?10:41
LaserJockG0SUB: I think those might be either Canonical employees or core devs10:41
LaserJockMOTUs don't either I don't think10:41
G0SUBLaserJock core-devs ... Seveas told me10:41
LaserJockG0SUB: then you'll have to work on that ;-)10:42
G0SUBLaserJock I will :)10:42
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LaserJockhi crimsun11:20
Xoritoryay11:20
Xoritoryay11:20
Xoritoryay11:20
Xoritorhip hip hooray!11:21
Xoritorsorry11:21
Xoritori like it when things work11:21
XoritorLaserJock, thanks for all of your help... i have learned a lot11:21
crimsunhi LaserJock11:21
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LaserJockXoritor: well, I don't know that I helped all that much11:21
XoritorLaserJock, you and azeem really did help me more than you know11:22
XoritorLaserJock, lots of logic things and small tips, pointers to docs... an encouraging word... etc11:22
Xoritorlet me say that the snort package is not for the faint of heart ;-)11:24
Xoritorheh11:24
Xoritorbut i have never been faint of heart11:24
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LaserJockXoritor: well, I'm glad I could help11:26
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Xoritorand tonight i will be doing my first 100% complete from scratch not existing anywhere that i have found package11:31
Xoritorheh11:31
LaserJockXoritor: cool11:35
Xoritorever played with snortsam?11:35
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