| tseng | koke! | 12:03 |
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| koke | hi! | 12:03 |
| Kyral | hey koke | 12:04 |
| ajmitch | hi koke | 12:05 |
| koke | I'm reviewing my reported bugs on gnome bugzilla. Some of them are >1 year old and have no response :_( | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | only some ;-) | 12:05 |
| Kyral | I guess I can start packaging for KDE now *eyes KBeagle* | 12:06 |
| netzmeister | ahhhh | 12:12 |
| tseng | its called Kerry | 12:13 |
| netzmeister | hm | 12:18 |
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| Riddell | Kyral: who's that? | 12:33 |
| Kyral | huh? | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | hi Riddell | 12:33 |
| Riddell | 21:08 < Kyral> oy...Looks like Riddell got another KDE convert | 12:34 |
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| Riddell | good evening ajmitch | 12:34 |
| Riddell | Kyral: oh, cool :) | 12:34 |
| Kyral | I intend to package KBeaglebar (once I make sure it works..) | 12:34 |
| Riddell | what does that do? | 12:35 |
| Kyral | Kicker Beagle Applet thing :P | 12:35 |
| Toadstool | hi MOTUs | 12:35 |
| Riddell | Kyral: how does that communicate with beagle? | 12:35 |
| tseng | libbeagle | 12:36 |
| Riddell | cool | 12:36 |
| Kyral | what tseng said | 12:36 |
| Riddell | feel free to package Kerry too, we get a lot of requests for that | 12:36 |
| Kyral | Riddell: I have Spring Break coming up next week ;P | 12:36 |
| Kyral | Oh what are the KDE -dev headers called? | 12:36 |
| Riddell | kdelibs4-dev | 12:37 |
| Kyral | even for KDE 3.5? | 12:37 |
| hub | Kyral: 4 is the so version | 12:38 |
| Kyral | oh | 12:38 |
| hub | Kyral: not the software version | 12:38 |
| hub | in the case of KDE it is a bit more complicated | 12:38 |
| hub | because kdelibs has more that just one | 12:38 |
| netdur | hub, are you abiword guy? | 12:39 |
| hub | Riddell: I'm half convert | 12:39 |
| hub | netdur: yes | 12:39 |
| Riddell | the number on the end of packages doesn't have to have any relationship to the version number of the library, it just has to increate whenever binary compatibility is changed | 12:39 |
| Kyral | Yukake(sp?) owns :D | 12:39 |
| Riddell | kde also has a stupidly high epoch because of bad version numbering in pre 1.0 releases | 12:39 |
| netdur | :'( | 12:40 |
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| Kyral | Reminds me of what Slack did lol | 12:40 |
| hub | Riddell: well, it is commonly accepted that the number match the so-version | 12:41 |
| hub | Riddell: lintian is the first to complain :-) | 12:41 |
| Kyral | damnit | 12:42 |
| Riddell | sure it's nice, but not all library authors have a sane binary compatibility policy, and some packages include lots of libraries | 12:42 |
| Kyral | we don't have the right libbeagle | 12:42 |
| hub | Riddell: that why I say "commonly accepted" :-) | 12:42 |
| tseng | what is the 'right' libbeagle | 12:42 |
| Kyral | libbeagle-0.0 >= 0.2.1 | 12:43 |
| tseng | we have that | 12:43 |
| tseng | build-dep on beagle-dev | 12:44 |
| Kyral | yah I know, I installed it and it still complains | 12:44 |
| tseng | /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libbeagle-0.0.pc | 12:44 |
| Kyral | tseng: I'm compiling it first to make sure it works (local install) | 12:44 |
| netdur | is there channel to ask legal questions about (ed)ubuntu? | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | netdur: how many lawyers do you think would regularly be on irc? | 12:48 |
| netdur | dunno | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | netdur: debian-legal ML would probably be the best bet | 12:49 |
| netdur | it's about ubuntu tradmark | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | netdur: email is probably best then | 12:50 |
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| LaserJock | jeeze, how long does it take to compile gcc >:( | 12:52 |
| netdur | ajmitch, what email? | 12:52 |
| Kyral | LFS LaserJock? | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | netdur: someone at canonical, I'd say | 12:52 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: no, stupid OSX, why they don't ship a Fortran compiler, I don't know | 12:53 |
| netdur | thanks | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | http://www.canonical.com/contact says info@canonical.com - it may not be the best address, but they will be the ubuntu trademark holder | 12:54 |
| netdur | thank you :) | 12:55 |
| Kyral | Riddel what was that other program you are getting a lot of requests for? | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | Kerry? | 12:56 |
| Kyral | Maybe | 12:56 |
| Riddell | Kyral: http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/kerry-0.07-7.src.rpm | 12:57 |
| Riddell | and http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/kio_beagle-0.2-7.src.rpm | 12:57 |
| Kyral | Is it on KDE-Apps :P | 12:57 |
| hub | there is a Qt#? | 12:58 |
| Kyral | yah...there is an EBuild... | 12:58 |
| hub | or did they use C++ for the frontend? | 12:58 |
| Riddell | libbeagle is C | 12:58 |
| hub | ah ok | 12:59 |
| hub | but libbeagle still calls the CLI stuff, right? | 01:00 |
| tseng | i dont think directly | 01:00 |
| Kyral | How do I manipulate src.rpms? | 01:00 |
| hub | Kyral: alien | 01:00 |
| tseng | you can open it in file-roller | 01:01 |
| Kyral | ty | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: and then wash your hands ;-) | 01:01 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:01 |
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| LaserJock | hi minghua | 01:37 |
| minghua | hello LaserJock | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | minghua: you should check your LP page | 01:39 |
| minghua | LaserJock: yay for the icon! :-) | 01:40 |
| minghua | if that's what you mean... | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | yep | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | I think it is pretty cool | 01:41 |
| minghua | yeah, I like it too | 01:41 |
| minghua | is that part of this "UI sprint"? | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | no, a new team member G0SUB offered it | 01:42 |
| minghua | cool | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | argggghhhhhhh | 01:50 |
| LaserJock | I spent all that time building gcc and it didn't compile g77 :( | 01:51 |
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| minghua | when do you need to compile gcc by hand? | 01:58 |
| minghua | fink? | 01:58 |
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| LaserJock | minghua: stupid intel mac | 02:01 |
| LaserJock | minghua: I'm trying to run some scipy so that means I have to install scipy which mean I need a Fortran compiler | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | but I need an Intel Fotran compiler | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | I mean an i386 Fortran compiler | 02:02 |
| minghua | LaserJock: fink has a separate module for g77 if fink is what you are using | 02:05 |
| minghua | LaserJock: to be fair, though, I need to compile my own g77 on my powerpc mac as well | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | fink borks on g77 | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | so I'm going to give darwin ports a try | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | great, now I can't even install darwin ports. This is really aggravating | 02:12 |
| minghua | LaserJock: probably some wrong options for intel CPU, fink's g77 worked fine on my iBook G4 | 02:22 |
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| zakame | hi MOTUs | 02:53 |
| crimsun | lo zak | 02:53 |
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| LaserJock | hi crimsun and zakame | 02:59 |
| crimsun | lo lj | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | you guys know Ebuntu? check out http://www.elivecd.org/ | 03:00 |
| crimsun | those are the checkinstalled E17 packages (last I checked), announced on ubuntu-users multiple times | 03:01 |
| Amaranth | blah | 03:01 |
| crimsun | I think he's in here, too. | 03:01 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 03:01 |
| Amaranth | they're still checkinstalled | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | checkinstall is a popular program | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | but elivecd.org seem pretty cool though | 03:03 |
| === StevenK hasn't even heard of checkinstall | ||
| ajmitch | StevenK: be glad | 03:03 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: long time no see, where have you been hiding? | 03:03 |
| zakame | hello LaserJock | 03:03 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Hej. Oh, I've been around, its usually after you just left though. :-) | 03:04 |
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| ajmitch | StevenK: typical, I'm only online at work at the moment :) | 03:04 |
| StevenK | Heh | 03:04 |
| === StevenK is at uni, waiting for a prac to start. | ||
| StevenK | Systems Programming 2 - or How to write bad code for Windows in 14 killer weeks. | 03:05 |
| === ajmitch is *still* in brisbane, ought to be at uni instead | ||
| StevenK | SP1 and Operating Systems were both *nix, but SP2 is Windows. :-/ | 03:05 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: I thought Brisbane was a two week only thing? | 03:06 |
| crimsun | ouch | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: it was meant to be | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | then I ran into problems with the drivers I was meant to use :) | 03:06 |
| StevenK | And wasn't that supposed to finish like two weeks ago? | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | yes | 03:06 |
| === StevenK is seeing a pattern emerging. :-) | ||
| === ajmitch should take up a different occupation | ||
| ajmitch | like bricklayer | 03:07 |
| === StevenK curses his laptop. | ||
| StevenK | Damn it, detect my USB mouse! | 03:07 |
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| minghua | hmm, let me try again | 03:10 |
| minghua | hello, any MOTU have some time to sponsor two uploads for me? | 03:10 |
| crimsun | shoot | 03:10 |
| minghua | both of them are existent packages, one of them fix an important bug | 03:11 |
| minghua | that would be bug #33763 and bug #29267 | 03:11 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 33763 in scim-hangul "scim-hangul: Add im-switch support" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33763 | 03:11 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 29267 in apt-proxy "apt-proxy crashes after upgrading" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29267 | 03:11 |
| crimsun | minghua: so http://librarian.launchpad.net/1644752/scim-hangul_im-switch_update-2.debdiff for #33763? | 03:12 |
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| minghua | crimsun: yes, that's the newest one | 03:13 |
| crimsun | ok, I'll handle that one | 03:13 |
| minghua | crimsun: thanks a lot | 03:14 |
| crimsun | ...and since no one else has spoken up about #29267, I guess that one, too | 03:16 |
| crimsun | minghua: both uploaded, thanks. | 03:21 |
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| minghua | crimsun: thank *you* :-) | 03:23 |
| === minghua is so happy | ||
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| crimsun | bah, I'll just reclone | 03:34 |
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| G0SUB | has anybody seen jpatrick? | 06:05 |
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| LaserJock | Unfrgiven: back | 06:17 |
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| LaserJock | hi G0SUB | 06:31 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock hello! | 06:31 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock are you busy? I have a OT talk with you ... | 06:31 |
| minghua | G0SUB: thanks for the ubuntu-science icon, I like it | 06:32 |
| G0SUB | minghua you are my hero :) I bow to you ... | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: sure | 06:32 |
| === minghua is confused and flattered | ||
| minghua | G0SUB: why? | 06:33 |
| G0SUB | minghua heh ... don't be | 06:33 |
| === ajmitch bows to minghua also | ||
| === LaserJock feels like a "minghua is a god" wiki page coming on ;-) | ||
| G0SUB | minghua everybody from Debian-IN will bow to you for your SCIM work | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: no, you need one first | 06:35 |
| minghua | G0SUB: oh that. most of the credit should go to SCIM upstream, I suppose :-) | 06:36 |
| minghua | but glad to know debian-IN people like my scim packages | 06:36 |
| G0SUB | heh, we do | 06:36 |
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| minghua | freeflying: you got my reply about scim-pinyin, right? | 07:07 |
| freeflying | minghua: ya | 07:07 |
| minghua | freeflying: oh good, I saw the upload in dapper-changes | 07:08 |
| minghua | freeflying: will be waiting for your reply, then | 07:08 |
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| LaserJock | dolson: ping? | 07:38 |
| dolson | LaserJock: pong | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | dolson: you're up for Membership tomorrow, right? | 07:38 |
| dolson | yup | 07:38 |
| dolson | so is G0SUB | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | what is the URL of your wiki page? | 07:39 |
| dolson | how do I find that out? | 07:39 |
| dolson | haha, just kidding. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanaOlson | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | since I can't make the CC meeting ( 0400 for me) I was going to send an email to the CC for you and G0SUB | 07:40 |
| dolson | thanks man! | 07:40 |
| === ajmitch probably wouldn't qualify for membership anymore :) | ||
| LaserJock | nope, automatically disqualified ;-) | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | don't worry ajmitch they just want you to have contributed for longer than 2 months, not contributed within the last 2 months ;-) | 07:41 |
| dolson | heh | 07:42 |
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| dolson | crap.. you pinged me and then one of my guys died :( | 07:42 |
| dolson | and I'm at a boss | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | sorry | 07:44 |
| dolson | heh, it's not your fault. I shoulda waited for my turn to be over before I started typing | 07:44 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: they do still look for recent contributions :) | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | glad you made it then ajmitch | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | I think if I'm back in NZ next week, once I clear the uni backlog I'll get stuck into my packages again | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | jezze, what email address would I use for Kamion? | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | he has got 6 on LP | 07:47 |
| dolson | all of them | 07:47 |
| ajmitch | the ubuntu.com address | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | which one? | 07:47 |
| ajmitch | the one he posts to mailing lists with :) | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | good point | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | LP is taking an age & a day to load a page | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | but that's because the link here seems saturated | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | ssh is lagged by ~10sec or more | 07:49 |
| minghua | LaserJock: I think CC has a role email address | 07:50 |
| minghua | LaserJock: if that's what you are doing | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | minghua: yeah, I just wonder if they ever read it ;-) | 07:51 |
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| LaserJock | dolson: ok, email sent to community-council@lists.ubuntu.com | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | I'm going to bed now, cya all! | 08:01 |
| dolson | me too | 08:01 |
| dolson | see ya, and thanks LaserJock | 08:01 |
| crimsun | 'morning | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | dolson: np | 08:02 |
| dolson | morning crimsun. I'm heading out too.. hope to catch a couple hours before the CC meeting | 08:02 |
| crimsun | k | 08:02 |
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| Hobbsee | wow those CC meetings come around fast... | 08:05 |
| crimsun | good thing, too, seeing how there are lots of prospective members | 08:05 |
| Hobbsee | true | 08:06 |
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| crimsun | heya ajmitch_ | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 08:18 |
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| ajmitch_ | hi | 08:24 |
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| === Mez needs a lil C++ help | ||
| Mez | anyone wanna gimme a hand? | 09:47 |
| siretart | morning | 09:47 |
| siretart | Mez: paste your problem to a pastebot | 09:47 |
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| Mez | siretart, nope - just wanna know what type of record new returns ;) | 09:48 |
| siretart | hi crimsun | 09:48 |
| Mez | pointer or reference ? | 09:48 |
| crimsun | hi siretart, Mez | 09:48 |
| Mez | ah | 09:48 |
| Mez | I dont need to know anyways | 09:48 |
| siretart | Mez: new returns just like malloc pointers | 09:48 |
| Mez | ah feck | 09:49 |
| Mez | for | 09:49 |
| Mez | new Program(s, _useExecName) | 09:49 |
| Mez | sorry | 09:49 |
| Mez | _result = new Program(s, _useExecName) | 09:49 |
| siretart | crimsun: yesterday, I did some investigation about udev in debian, in comparison with ubuntu (re: wpasupplicant) | 09:49 |
| Mez | how do i define it in the header file | 09:49 |
| crimsun | siretart: ok | 09:50 |
| minghua | siretart: I have a question about syncs | 09:50 |
| siretart | crimsun: IIUC, the point of starting wpasupplicant to /etc/network/ifup.d/ was that in new udev in dapper, udev starts the interface | 09:50 |
| siretart | this is done in /etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown.rules | 09:50 |
| minghua | siretart: scim-table was approved for UVF exception, how should I request a sync? | 09:50 |
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| minghua | siretart: just reply the mails in ubuntu-motu? will an MOTU ask the sync for me (as I am not MOTU, I suppose elmo won't accept my request)? | 09:51 |
| crimsun | siretart: as soon as the kernel event for it passes through udev, yes, the interfaces are brought up given an "auto" directive in /etc/network/interfaces | 09:51 |
| siretart | crimsun: this isn't done in debian. debian has on the one hand an even newer udev, but not such a rule | 09:51 |
| siretart | minghua: yes, just reply as instructed in my mail | 09:51 |
| siretart | the benefit of bringing up interfaces with udev is hotpluggable network devices | 09:52 |
| minghua | siretart: okay, will do, thanks | 09:52 |
| siretart | a use case debian doesn't support anyway, at least not out of the box and not as of today | 09:52 |
| crimsun | right | 09:52 |
| siretart | ah. now I understand that my setup here on my notebook is rather bullshit. I'm currently starting whereami through /e/n/i, that should better be through a /e/n/ifup.d script.. | 09:54 |
| siretart | hm. will fiddle that out | 09:54 |
| crimsun | right :) | 09:54 |
| siretart | ok, I think I'll upgrade wpasupplicant trunk branch to 0.4.8, fix some bugs, and document the 3 modes of operation (and implement them of course) | 09:55 |
| siretart | any objections for doing this in our 'stable' branch? | 09:55 |
| siretart | hm. | 09:56 |
| siretart | better in wpasupplicant-experimental, and cherrypick back | 09:56 |
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| siretart | Mez: I have no idea what you are trying to do | 09:58 |
| Mez | ssiretart : ncm | 09:59 |
| Mez | nvm | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | hi | 10:00 |
| crimsun | siretart: yes, please cherry-pick | 10:00 |
| siretart | okay | 10:00 |
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| netzmeister | hello | 10:39 |
| netzmeister | i'm hungry :-( | 10:39 |
| kiko-zzz | there is this invention that cavemen used that can fix that | 10:57 |
| StevenK | Cavemen certainly didn't invent eating. | 11:04 |
| === Mez growls | ||
| Mez | I cant figure out where these darn errors are coming from | 11:17 |
| Mez | anyone good at C++ and care to help me out | 11:18 |
| siretart | Mez: it would be easier to help you if you could describe your problem better. consider reading esr's 'smart questions' howto | 11:19 |
| Mez | siretart: give me a chance | 11:19 |
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| Mez | I'm pushing my bzr branch | 11:22 |
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| deadchip | hey guys | 11:39 |
| deadchip | what's the latest glib verson in dapper? | 11:39 |
| deadchip | just asking cause we raised the dependency for glib in our app to glib 2.10 | 11:39 |
| deadchip | and we want it to be buildable at least on dapper... | 11:39 |
| crimsun | we have 2.10 | 11:40 |
| crimsun | *** 2.10.0-0ubuntu3 0 | 11:40 |
| crimsun | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages | 11:40 |
| deadchip | crimsun, ok | 11:42 |
| deadchip | thanks :) | 11:42 |
| crimsun | np | 11:42 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 12:18 |
| Gloubiboulga | hey phanatic | 12:18 |
| phanatic | hey Gloubiboulga :) | 12:19 |
| phanatic | Gloubiboulga: today is the day ;) | 12:19 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep, I know :) | 12:19 |
| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga will you be at the meet? | 12:19 |
| Gloubiboulga | G0SUB, no sorry... | 12:19 |
| phanatic | bad news :( | 12:19 |
| G0SUB | oops! | 12:19 |
| Gloubiboulga | I have to leave at 12:00 UTC | 12:20 |
| crimsun | d'oh, I need to grab alsa-utils_1.0.10-1ubuntu8.dsc and rerun my diff. | 12:20 |
| G0SUB | I see | 12:20 |
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| minghua | G0SUB: I am just dropping by to have a look | 01:03 |
| G0SUB | minghua oh, great | 01:04 |
| minghua | G0SUB: I'll probably leave early to go to bed | 01:04 |
| minghua | G0SUB: good luck | 01:04 |
| G0SUB | minghua thanks a lot! | 01:04 |
| siretart | ogra: thanks! | 01:11 |
| ogra | :) | 01:11 |
| minghua | Er... the CC meeting doesn't seem to be starting, I think I'll go to bed | 01:19 |
| G0SUB | minghua heh, sweet dreams :) | 01:20 |
| phanatic | minghua: good nicht then | 01:20 |
| phanatic | s/nicht/night | 01:20 |
| minghua | bye | 01:20 |
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| Yagisan | G'day All | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | hey Yagisan | 01:50 |
| Yagisan | G'day Hobbsee | 01:50 |
| Yagisan | what's up ? | 01:50 |
| phanatic | hi Yagisan | 01:50 |
| === Yagisan has had a crap week :( | ||
| === Hobbsee is watchign the meeting, and looking vaguely at her computing assignment | ||
| Yagisan | I sacked CSU this week | 01:51 |
| Yagisan | Looking at enrolling at Central Queensland Uni instead | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | central queensland uni....havent heard of that one... | 01:53 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: http://www.cqu.edu.au/ | 01:54 |
| Yagisan | They have a campus in Town Hall/Wynyard if I actually need to see someone face to face | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | ah yep | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | that's in sydney though, isnt it? | 01:55 |
| Yagisan | yes | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | thought so | 01:56 |
| Yagisan | CSU had communication issues | 01:56 |
| Yagisan | still have sent a receipt for money paid | 01:56 |
| Yagisan | and not very approachable for the subjects | 01:56 |
| Yagisan | ie ask question - mysteriously get acussed of plagarism - fail | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | ah yep | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | great | 01:57 |
| Yagisan | :( | 01:58 |
| Yagisan | Hence, why I change. | 01:58 |
| Yagisan | How is Mac Uni ? Going well ? | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | wow, you remembered? | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | ah yeah, it's fun :) | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | chem's a little boring, but the rest is ok | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | comp115 is interesting | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | and the constructions still going crazy - its supposed to be done by easter - yay! | 01:59 |
| Yagisan | I tend to remember what people do - just not always their name or face, which can be embarrassing sometimes | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 02:00 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt show her pics to most people on here, so you wont have trouble remembering my face | ||
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: just remember that i'm a chick - that should separate me from most people :P | 02:01 |
| === Yagisan reads. her ? | ||
| Hobbsee | yes | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:01 |
| Yagisan | nice. I never met many women when I did my IT training. Mostly guys in class. | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | yes, there arent many of us | 02:02 |
| Yagisan | I suppose the guys still try to hit on you ? (It seemed almost routine in TAFE, it was like "a chick - I'm going over") | 02:04 |
| Yagisan | or have they learned their lessons yet ? | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | well, you know...some certainly do... | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | havent had it *that* much at uni, so far | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | but it's not uncommon for the guys at work to hit on me, etc | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | hopefully they've learned their lesson | 02:05 |
| StevenK | Heh. There's a girl in my Systems Programming 2 class. | 02:05 |
| === StevenK resists the urge to sound like a 16-year old. | ||
| Hobbsee | StevenK: and how many times have you tried hitting on her, so far? :P | 02:06 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: None. | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | oh good! | 02:06 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: But only because I'm married. :-) | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:06 |
| G0SUB | hehe | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | well that's a good excuse | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | er, reason, i mean | 02:06 |
| StevenK | It's not an excuse! | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | brain is dying tonight! | 02:06 |
| StevenK | Exactly. | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | sorry, i really did mean reason | 02:06 |
| StevenK | It's okay, I'm yanking your chain. ;-) | 02:06 |
| === Hobbsee should go to bed soon, clearly! | ||
| Hobbsee | :P | 02:07 |
| Yagisan | I have two reasons. 1) I'm very picky. 2) My wife will souvenir my testicles if I do. | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:07 |
| StevenK | Heh | 02:07 |
| Yagisan | I'd rather not sound like tiny tim. | 02:07 |
| StevenK | My wife would do that too. And then her friends would probably finish me off for hurting for. | 02:08 |
| StevenK | s/ing for/ing her/ | 02:08 |
| === Hobbsee nods with approval at the wives, and what they'd do | ||
| Hobbsee | if that makes sense...which i'm sure it doesnt... | 02:08 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Remind me never to piss you off. | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 02:08 |
| Yagisan | I doubt my wife would leave much of me left. | 02:09 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: I saw that wicked gleam! | 02:09 |
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| Hobbsee | LOL! | 02:09 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: A chalk outline? :-) | 02:09 |
| Yagisan | Of course, then the regret would sink in. "Oh my god, I killed the pack horse, I mean my husband" | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:09 |
| StevenK | Hahah | 02:10 |
| StevenK | "Oh my god, I killed the chaffeuer, I mean my husband." -- my case | 02:10 |
| Yagisan | of course my wife isn't quite that bad. But since her injury, she can even lift the kids up, so I do a lot of lifting etc for her | 02:11 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: Understandable. | 02:11 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: So she wouldn't kill you, but get you to perform hari-kari? | 02:11 |
| === StevenK tries to understand. | ||
| Yagisan | The hospital realised yesterday what a fuck up they did. I need to take her everyday :( | 02:12 |
| Yagisan | StevenK: no, seppuku | 02:12 |
| StevenK | Only yesterday? | 02:12 |
| Yagisan | yes, some 3 and a half months after they tore her in half | 02:13 |
| StevenK | Seppuku is also known in English as hara-kiri | 02:13 |
| StevenK | (Which is what I meant) | 02:13 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: advice. Don't ever give birth at westmead public hospital. | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | eek | 02:13 |
| === StevenK rings MBF to thank them. | ||
| Hobbsee | it's not really near me anywya, but yeah | 02:14 |
| StevenK | I'm going to convince my wife for a private hospital. | 02:14 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Where in Sydney are you? | 02:14 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: they *will forcibly discharge you without checking what is wrong* | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: around pennant hills | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | so...north west... | 02:14 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Heh, you're close to me. | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: and you are where? | 02:15 |
| StevenK | Blacktown | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | not really...but sorta | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | closer than a lot of others are! | 02:15 |
| StevenK | My mother used to work in Pennant Hills, so I know my way around there. | 02:15 |
| Yagisan | the local hospital could not take my wife :( no faculties available for a VBAC birth :( | 02:15 |
| StevenK | (At the CBA) | 02:15 |
| === Yagisan needs to put kids to bed. brb | ||
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| StevenK | Hobbsee: Sydney is a big place, a 25 minute drive is supposed to be close. :-P | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | that's me to uni distance :D | 02:17 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Macquarie? | 02:17 |
| StevenK | At a guess | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: yes | 02:17 |
| StevenK | Heh, yay me | 02:17 |
| StevenK | My sister goes to Mq | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | what course? | 02:17 |
| StevenK | Teaching, the poor girl | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | eep | 02:18 |
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| StevenK | You can tell Yagisan and I are well trained. | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 02:19 |
| Yagisan | re. Child 1 of 2 Complete | 02:19 |
| Yagisan | :) | 02:19 |
| StevenK | How does one force a child process to sleep() anyway .... | 02:20 |
| StevenK | One of these days I am going to write my book: "Parenting the UNIX way." | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | a large brick, but that's not usually recommended :P | 02:20 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Excuse me, I need to pick up my jaw. | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:20 |
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| Hobbsee | or let them stay up till they literally fall asleep? | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | that's what i usually do | 02:21 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: And the next thing I was going to come out with was, "If you get a signal, you reap your children", but the brick sounds far more brutal. | 02:21 |
| Yagisan | it's hard. After a child process has been running for a certain period of time, typically 10-12 hours, signals tend to be ignored | 02:21 |
| StevenK | Heh | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:21 |
| StevenK | They fall into D state? | 02:21 |
| === StevenK sighs. | ||
| Hobbsee | ugh, i'm not sure how one goes about reaping a child, but i certainly dont like the way i misread that statement! | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | anyway, what's the D state? | 02:22 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: ps aux | 02:23 |
| Yagisan | I then need to isolate the process, apply a signal 15 (teddy bear), and wait 5 minutes, before repeating as required | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes | 02:23 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: You see the S and R, S being Sleeping and R being Run, D is Dead/Disk | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | yep, right | 02:23 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: Surely signal 10 | 02:23 |
| === Hobbsee thinks that this must be a place full of geeks, to have jokes based in computer languages, rather than normal english :P | ||
| Yagisan | meah - perhaps. I haven't been able to think straight in days | 02:24 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: I want a baby shirt that reads "child process" | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 02:24 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: With 10 being USR1 | 02:24 |
| === Yagisan looks at child process. Not sig 10 is being ignored | ||
| Yagisan | *notes* | 02:25 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Or two shirts. Both say "fork()" on the front, with the kiddo's saying "0" on the back, and mine saying "2563" on the back | 02:25 |
| slomo | is someone with an pentium4/pentium-m running dapper here and has some time for debugging something? :) | 02:25 |
| StevenK | slomo: yes and no | 02:25 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee: you may find the geek of your dreams here ;) | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:25 |
| StevenK | But I'm taken! | 02:25 |
| === StevenK runs away. | ||
| StevenK | Far away. | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | LOL! | 02:25 |
| siretart | StevenK: have you seen the linda patch sladen uploaded for fixing the mo issue? | 02:26 |
| === Hobbsee runs after StevenK :P | ||
| StevenK | siretart: Yes. | 02:26 |
| StevenK | Eek | 02:26 |
| StevenK | You haven't met my wife, have you? :-P | 02:26 |
| === Yagisan is reminded of the rogain hair treatment commercial | ||
| StevenK | Muahaha | 02:26 |
| Yagisan | run StevenK, run ! | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | cant say that i have, no | 02:27 |
| StevenK | Part of me is thinking, "Eh, could be fun." The other part is thinking "ohshitohshit, run" | 02:27 |
| === Hobbsee wouldnt do that anyway | ||
| Hobbsee | StevenK: is safe | 02:27 |
| StevenK | Heh | 02:27 |
| dolson | dholbach isn't around? :( | 02:28 |
| StevenK | dolson: I thought he was for a moment, I keep getting your two nicks confused. | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | dolson, dont worry i'll support you based on very cool pics heh | 02:28 |
| dolson | heh | 02:28 |
| StevenK | siretart: I have a plan; it's just waiting for some free time | 02:28 |
| dolson | lol, thanks jsgotangco. I'm sure that the pics should seal the deal for the CC | 02:29 |
| StevenK | Mainly, killing the .mo files from /usr/share/locale, and shipping them under /usr/share/linda | 02:29 |
| siretart | ok. just wanted to make sure that you are aware of it | 02:29 |
| StevenK | That will also fix the 4 or so bugs that got filed by people that keep using localepurge | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | anywya, night all | 02:31 |
| Yagisan | completely off topic, but anyone here (other then me) run folding@home ? | 02:31 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Night! | 02:31 |
| Yagisan | night Hobbsee | 02:31 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: I fold the washing, is that the same thing? | 02:31 |
| Yagisan | StevenK: no, but nice try | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:32 |
| Yagisan | teamubuntu could use some help | 02:32 |
| StevenK | Ah. | 02:32 |
| StevenK | seti@home like | 02:33 |
| Yagisan | yes | 02:33 |
| StevenK | My CPUs usually have better things to do. | 02:33 |
| Yagisan | FYI the forum thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102313 | 02:33 |
| Yagisan | StevenK: occasionally my boxes actually are idle. esp the firewall - it gets bored | 02:33 |
| Yagisan | this one might have some medical benefit though. | 02:34 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: Most of my machines are non-i386 | 02:34 |
| StevenK | 4 are, out of 8 | 02:35 |
| Yagisan | ah, any amd64 ? (Sidenote, I'd like some non i386 boxes) | 02:35 |
| StevenK | 4 i386, sparc64, alpha, parisc, amd64 | 02:36 |
| dolson | yay and all that | 02:36 |
| StevenK | I could grab a ppc to add to my collection, except I don't know what to do with it, or where to keep it. | 02:36 |
| dolson | thanks siretart, raphink, ogra, jsgotangco | 02:37 |
| siretart | :) | 02:37 |
| raphink | dolson: congrats | 02:38 |
| Yagisan | StevenK: I participate because I have relatives that suffer from Alzheimer's Disease. Hopefully its useful. | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | cheers | 02:38 |
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| StevenK | Ah | 02:38 |
| ogra | dolson, well deserved :) | 02:38 |
| dolson | hope you're right :) | 02:39 |
| ogra | judging your past work, i am ... :) | 02:39 |
| phanatic | siretart, raphink, ogra: thanks for your support :) | 02:45 |
| raphink | :) | 02:45 |
| ogra | :) | 02:45 |
| raphink | you deserve it | 02:45 |
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| phanatic | :) | 02:45 |
| G0SUB | i hope somebody will cheer for me too! :) | 02:45 |
| phanatic | now i have to rush for my maths lesson | 02:46 |
| phanatic | :) | 02:46 |
| G0SUB | jpatrick! where are you my friend? | 02:46 |
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| raphink | good luck with your maths phanatic | 02:46 |
| phanatic | thx :) | 02:47 |
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| dolson | G0SUB: you should be fine on your own merits. :) I can't really vouch for you, being what I am, or I would | 02:51 |
| G0SUB | dolson hehe ... let's hope :) you can at least cheer for this poor fellow :) | 02:51 |
| dolson | Gimme a G! G! You got your G, you got your G! Gimme a zero! | 02:52 |
| G0SUB | hehe | 02:53 |
| dolson | G0000000000000 SUB!! | 02:53 |
| G0SUB | dolson you are a c00l dude :) | 02:53 |
| dolson | you don't know me that well, heh | 02:53 |
| freeflying | wow , anyone will help me for MOTU ,hehe | 02:54 |
| crimsun | freeflying: is that a question? | 02:55 |
| freeflying | crimsun: ya | 02:55 |
| freeflying | crimsun: hope can do more with you MOTUs | 02:56 |
| crimsun | freeflying: certainly | 02:56 |
| raphink | :) | 02:56 |
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| freeflying | crimsun: so I just wonder shat shall do , hehe | 02:56 |
| dolson | congrats G0SUB. I told you :) | 03:08 |
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| dolson | dholbach is here! | 03:09 |
| dholbach | hi dolson | 03:09 |
| dolson | dholbach: I had hoped you would be at the CC meeting to vouch for me | 03:09 |
| dolson | but you were offline | 03:09 |
| dolson | and I didn't get in :( | 03:09 |
| dolson | maybe next time | 03:09 |
| dholbach | sorry, we were at lunch | 03:10 |
| crimsun | dolson: what's holding you back? | 03:10 |
| dolson | dholbach: just kidding, hahah! I am in :) | 03:10 |
| crimsun | hah | 03:10 |
| dholbach | hi crimsun and everybody else | 03:11 |
| dolson | (I hope he has a sense of humor) | 03:11 |
| G0SUB | dolson thanks! | 03:11 |
| crimsun | hi daniel :) | 03:11 |
| === Yagisan drags self to bed. Night all | ||
| crimsun | 'night Yagisan | 03:13 |
| dolson | I think I'll go to bed too. It is after 9am, and I had about a half hour of sleep | 03:13 |
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| ArmeBosse | any motu for kvpnc and klibido ? | 03:41 |
| ArmeBosse | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2117 | 03:41 |
| ArmeBosse | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2118 | 03:42 |
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| ArmeBosse | logcpp too ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2066 | 03:43 |
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| nomed | dholbach, ping | 03:51 |
| dholbach | nomed: pong | 03:51 |
| nomed | dholbach, do u think it will be possible to have tango icons in main ? | 03:52 |
| crimsun | ...there are already. | 03:52 |
| nomed | since ? | 03:52 |
| nomed | :/ | 03:52 |
| crimsun | Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:24:47 +0200 | 03:53 |
| crimsun | that is, zcat /usr/share/doc/tango-icon-theme/changelog.Debian.gz|tail -2 |awk -F'>' '{ print $2 }' | 03:54 |
| dholbach | nomed: we're already having an icon discussion over here, and we're going to use the tango icon set in an altered way - I think we don't need the same set of icons in main "twice" | 03:54 |
| crimsun | oh, I completely misparsed that, way to go me | 03:55 |
| dholbach | we already tried to make the amount of packages in main smaller, as 'main' means 'supported by canonical' and it means '3 years of fixes for the desktop' | 03:55 |
| dholbach | so there are always more things than "it'd be nice to have it" to consider :/ | 03:55 |
| nomed | dholbach, why not Inherit=Tango in ubuntu icons ? | 03:55 |
| nomed | dholbach, i understand ... | 03:55 |
| nomed | it 's because we'll discuss about xubuntu icons this evening | 03:56 |
| nomed | and my idea was to Inherit=Tango in xubuntu-icon-theme | 03:56 |
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| dholbach | nomed: we're already having an icon discussion over here, and we're going to use the tango icon set in an altered way - I think we don't need the same set of icons in main "twice" | 03:57 |
| dholbach | we already tried to make the amount of packages in main smaller, as 'main' means 'supported by canonical' and it means '3 years of fixes for the desktop' | 03:58 |
| dholbach | so there are always more things than "it'd be nice to have it" to consider :/ | 03:58 |
| nomed | ok | 03:58 |
| ogra | note also that we already make huge concessions for xubuntu ... | 03:59 |
| ogra | i wasnt eager to keep xscreensaver in main ... | 03:59 |
| nomed | ogra, yes i understand | 04:00 |
| ogra | (only one example ) | 04:01 |
| ogra | we once had a policy to not duplicate apps in main ... | 04:01 |
| ogra | buut i understand why xubuntu doesnt want gnome-screensaver | 04:02 |
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| Mithrandir | xscreensaver is a fair bit more mature than g-ss, IMO | 04:05 |
| ogra | power management will be a problem with it now | 04:06 |
| ogra | and i dont agree that its more mature if i look at integration | 04:06 |
| ogra | i neither agree about the implementation .... | 04:06 |
| ogra | but xss is more feature complete, thats for sure ... | 04:07 |
| ogra | (as you would expect for a >20year old software) | 04:07 |
| Mithrandir | xss doesn't lock my screen every five minute when resuming, for instance. :-P | 04:07 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, thats a g-p-m bug | 04:07 |
| ogra | it needs to talk to g-s-s to determine activity | 04:08 |
| ogra | else it will call dpms off ... | 04:08 |
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| Mithrandir | strange that it happens without g-p-m running, then? | 04:08 |
| Mithrandir | it's not dpms, it's _locking_ the screen. The screen is definitively on. | 04:08 |
| ogra | hmm, i wonder whats so special bout your install then ... i dont see it anywhere and have no further bugs about it ... the only thing that comes up moore often is g-p-m using dpms while it shouldnt | 04:10 |
| Mithrandir | it's just half of dbus dying on suspend and resume and apps not coping. | 04:10 |
| ogra | but why is dbus dying ? | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | just a bunch of the apps. | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | no idea why | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | it's not relevant, really. g-ss should cope with g-p-m going away. | 04:12 |
| ogra | ah, so its not g-s-s alone | 04:12 |
| ogra | yup, i agree ... | 04:12 |
| Mithrandir | I haven't debugged it, but that's my guess, yes. | 04:12 |
| ogra | my probblem is really the big discrepancy in respondability between the two upstreams ... hughsie is really fast with his fixes to g-p-m .... g-s-s upstream bugs get rejected first, then discussed on the list etc etc ... | 04:13 |
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| freeflying | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/log4cpp-0602262010/log4cpp-0.3.4b/debian/liblog4cpp3-dev.install | 04:19 |
| freeflying | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/log4cpp-0602262010/log4cpp-0.3.4b/debian/liblog4cpp3-dev.dirs | 04:19 |
| freeflying | ogra: hi | 04:19 |
| freeflying | why these two file's content are not the same ? | 04:20 |
| raphink | freeflying: well dirs contain the dirs to be created for the package, and install where to install the files in the system | 04:20 |
| raphink | freeflying: you were telling me about the .files though | 04:20 |
| freeflying | raphink: ya, my fault | 04:21 |
| freeflying | raphink: but why dose he use .install and .files in one package ? | 04:22 |
| raphink | can you give the url to the .files please? | 04:22 |
| freeflying | raphink: I mean in the same package , why some binary use .install and others use .files ? | 04:23 |
| raphink | ah? | 04:23 |
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| raphink | doesn't matter | 04:23 |
| raphink | it's better to use the same standards for homogeneity | 04:23 |
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| raphink | imo | 04:23 |
| ArmeBosse | freeflying: cleanup mistake, files isn't needed anymor | 04:23 |
| ArmeBosse | files was probably used in 0.2.8 | 04:23 |
| freeflying | ArmeBosse: this is package already in debain ? | 04:24 |
| ArmeBosse | yes | 04:24 |
| freeflying | ArmeBosse: so you sync or merge it ? | 04:24 |
| ArmeBosse | merge | 04:25 |
| ArmeBosse | why ? | 04:25 |
| freeflying | ArmeBosse: how about use merge from debian in your changelog ? | 04:25 |
| ArmeBosse | instead of : Initial Ubuntu release based on Debian package | 04:26 |
| ArmeBosse | sync is applicable too in this case ? | 04:27 |
| ogra | ubuntu already has liblog4cpp ... | 04:28 |
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| ogra | (so it cant be "Initial Ubuntu release") | 04:29 |
| ArmeBosse | yep right | 04:29 |
| freeflying | Amaranth: in kvpnc, why do you use kvpnc.links ? | 04:30 |
| Amaranth | what? | 04:30 |
| ArmeBosse | better ? : Sync with debian package | 04:30 |
| ArmeBosse | freeflying: cdbs do it ? | 04:31 |
| Amaranth | i haven't touched kvpnc | 04:31 |
| ogra | and its a cxx transition i bet | 04:31 |
| ArmeBosse | Amaranth: ArmeBosse ;) | 04:31 |
| freeflying | ArmeBosse: sure cdbs can do it in your rules | 04:31 |
| ogra | Amaranth, but why ? its always been there ... you *could* have touched it already :P | 04:31 |
| freeflying | Amaranth: sorrry ? | 04:31 |
| ArmeBosse | heh | 04:32 |
| Amaranth | ogra: it starts with a k :P | 04:32 |
| ogra | hehe | 04:32 |
| ogra | :) | 04:32 |
| freeflying | ogra: we'd advocate edubuntu in china, but firstly you'd help me on packageing :) | 04:34 |
| ogra | heh | 04:35 |
| ogra | :) | 04:35 |
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| freeflying | ogra: don't just laugh :) | 04:36 |
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| ArmeBosse | raphink: i need libtool in build-dep because i use it in rules | 04:37 |
| raphink | ah ok ArmeBosse then good | 04:37 |
| ArmeBosse | i need to update changelog .. | 04:37 |
| ogra | freeflying, i'm not laughing about you, it was the sound of happiness about edubuntu promotion coming out of my mounth :) | 04:38 |
| freeflying | ArmeBosse: in klibido , only one binary package , why use a dirs | 04:38 |
| freeflying | ogra: hehe | 04:38 |
| freeflying | ogra: but you'd solve the chinese fonts problem , anyway | 04:39 |
| ogra | i currently have space problems due to the chinese fonts ... | 04:39 |
| ogra | your two new packages are twice as big as the old four packages that were there | 04:40 |
| freeflying | ogra: how about give u new one | 04:40 |
| ogra | (which makes +1MB .... i only have 400k on the CD) | 04:40 |
| ArmeBosse | freeflying: see changelog ;) Converted to cdbs :) and i'm new user of cdbs | 04:41 |
| ArmeBosse | freeflying: i must drop dirs file ? | 04:42 |
| ogra | ArmeBosse, you took an existing debian package and changed the packaging system ? | 04:42 |
| freeflying | ArmeBosse: only one binary package at all | 04:42 |
| ArmeBosse | ogra: in debian and current ubuntu universe there's 0.2.4.1 and use debhelper | 04:43 |
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| ArmeBosse | ogra: can't be done ? | 04:43 |
| ogra | ArmeBosse, yes, but its considered *very evil* to just channge someone else package completely ... | 04:44 |
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| ogra | ArmeBosse, what doe the debina maintainer say about it ... | 04:44 |
| ogra | *debian | 04:44 |
| freeflying | ogra: but if the maintainer agree on , then can he do like yhis | 04:44 |
| ArmeBosse | ogra: ok, i'm not evil :) i can revert to debhelper | 04:44 |
| freeflying | s/yhis/this | 04:44 |
| ArmeBosse | ogra: i didn't asked debian maintainer ... | 04:45 |
| ogra | freeflying, sure, but its still a lot of work we have to carry around | 04:45 |
| ogra | ArmeBosse, what was wrong with the debhelper packaging ? | 04:45 |
| ArmeBosse | nothing special :) i'm playing with cdbs ATM ... | 04:45 |
| freeflying | ArmeBosse: imo, you'd remove the dir in debian dir | 04:46 |
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| ogra | you should in any case understand debhelper to its deepst first ... | 04:47 |
| ArmeBosse | i need to learn cdbs for some team maintainance related work, so i started on real package | 04:48 |
| ArmeBosse | ogra: i already know debhelper, my previous packages were with it | 04:48 |
| ogra | ArmeBosse, fine then | 04:48 |
| ArmeBosse | ogra: it's not a problem to revert klibido to debhelper :) | 04:49 |
| === raphink likes cdbs very much but agrees that's it's good to know debhelper, too | ||
| raphink | I prefer cdbs though | 04:49 |
| raphink | it's easier to review and maintain | 04:49 |
| ogra | but dont take existing packages and change their packaging system we'll have to carry around the difference forever | 04:49 |
| freeflying | cdbs saves time and work for us | 04:49 |
| ArmeBosse | maintainance team = kde packaging related stuff ;) | 04:49 |
| raphink | ogra: sure | 04:49 |
| ogra | raphink, tons of useless overhad cdbs is ... | 04:49 |
| ogra | freeflying, but it doesnt give you any insight how to do packaging right | 04:50 |
| freeflying | ogra: ya | 04:50 |
| ogra | freeflying, i wouldnt approve any motu who doesnt know debhelper at all ... | 04:51 |
| ArmeBosse | ogra: can you please add this comment on the package, there's 3 package in review in the same time ... i need a track ;) | 04:51 |
| siretart | freeflying: cdbs can also cause major headaches in more complicated packages | 04:51 |
| ogra | ArmeBosse, i dont even have an account :) | 04:51 |
| ArmeBosse | heh | 04:51 |
| freeflying | siretart: but in simple stuff, it woks quickly at all :) | 04:51 |
| siretart | right | 04:52 |
| freeflying | ogra: I do hope you can solve the chinese fonts problem in dapper :) | 04:53 |
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| ArmeBosse | raphink: log4cpp changelog updated | 05:04 |
| ArmeBosse | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2120 | 05:04 |
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| Amaranth | gnome bug 313268 | 05:38 |
| Ubugtu | gnome bug 313268 in gobject "Introspection namespace->file mapping, use gmodule instead of dlopen, etc.." [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313268 | 05:38 |
| Amaranth | neat | 05:38 |
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| siretart | howdy dholbach | 05:49 |
| dholbach | hellas siretart | 05:52 |
| chillywilly | why does /proc/cpuinfo show my amd athon64 3400+ w/ a clock speed of only 1GHz? | 05:52 |
| chillywilly | in dapper | 05:52 |
| chillywilly | kernel 2.6.15-17-amd64-k8 | 05:53 |
| chillywilly | cpu MHz : 999.917 | 05:53 |
| siretart | dholbach: could you please have a look at the the seahorse uvf request? I prepared a package which works for me and I'd like to upload it | 05:53 |
| chillywilly | I don't think that is correct | 05:53 |
| dholbach | siretart: 0.9.0? | 05:53 |
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| siretart | chillywilly: because powernowd scales your processor down to 1ghz. this is cool and quiet | 05:53 |
| siretart | dholbach: no, 0.8.1 | 05:53 |
| dholbach | siretart: what about 0.9? | 05:54 |
| siretart | I attached both diffstats, also for 0.9 | 05:54 |
| dholbach | righto | 05:54 |
| siretart | dholbach: slomo and I have agreed that we will prepare test packages for public testing first. the new features look interesting, but they are quite invasive | 05:54 |
| dholbach | i see | 05:54 |
| ogra | chillywilly, sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-$(uname -r) && apt-get source -b ... then wait 5 min and cat /proc/cpuinfo .... see, it helps :) | 05:55 |
| siretart | but 0.8.1 seems pretty safe and fixes most (if not all) problems in seahorse/dapper | 05:55 |
| chillywilly | ogra: what is that exactly doing? building a new kernel? | 05:56 |
| ogra | heh, yes | 05:56 |
| ogra | giving your CPU some work to do ... | 05:56 |
| chillywilly | ic | 05:56 |
| ogra | powernowd scales the cpu speed dynamically according to the load | 05:57 |
| chillywilly | so it dynamically scales it | 05:57 |
| siretart | you may also start up some bigger applications like openoffice or something | 05:57 |
| siretart | chillywilly: yes, see the manpage | 05:57 |
| chillywilly | nifty | 05:58 |
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| phanatic | hi Seveas | 06:28 |
| Seveas | hi | 06:28 |
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| phanatic | Seveas: i'd like to ask you to put me on the "wanna-cloak" list :) | 06:28 |
| Seveas | sure | 06:29 |
| phanatic | thanks | 06:29 |
| Seveas | what was your real name again? | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | netzmeister: Gueten Morgen | 06:29 |
| phanatic | Seveas: Szilveszter Farkas | 06:30 |
| Seveas | ok, you're on the list | 06:30 |
| netzmeister | LaserJock: no, its not morning.. | 06:31 |
| netzmeister | ;-) | 06:31 |
| netzmeister | we've half past six ;-) | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | it is here though ;-) | 06:41 |
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| toma | can someone close the revu request at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1930 ? It can be removed, because it will be synced from debian now that the uvf exception is confirmed. I dont have a login to do it myself. | 07:30 |
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| phanatic | hi G0SUB | 07:40 |
| G0SUB | phanatic :) | 07:40 |
| phanatic | i just want to congrat :) | 07:40 |
| phanatic | couldn't be there | 07:40 |
| phanatic | but i saw you did it :) | 07:40 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock thanks a lot for the testimonial ... helped a lot! | 07:40 |
| G0SUB | phanatic heh, thanks! | 07:40 |
| phanatic | raphink: sent you a mail | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: I read the irc log this morning, good work :-) | 07:48 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock I am indebted to you ... | 07:48 |
| === G0SUB declares himself as LaserJock's slave for the rest of his life | ||
| G0SUB | LaserJock I will get to MOTU-Science as soon as I get some time ... | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | lol, just what I need, another slave to do my bidding ;-) | 07:50 |
| G0SUB | haha | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: do you have some background with scientific apps for linux? | 07:50 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock I don't understand | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: I'm interested in getting lists of scientific apps that are in Ubuntu | 07:51 |
| G0SUB | aah, that I can do ... | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: I have lists made up of the math, science, and tex sections but many apps are in other sections of the repo | 07:52 |
| G0SUB | i see | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: we need to get a list of those others | 07:52 |
| G0SUB | fine ... I will do an audit | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: that would be very helpful to me | 07:52 |
| G0SUB | I will do it | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | great, thanks | 07:53 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock any idea if there is a comprehensive list of packages in universe? | 07:53 |
| phanatic | G0SUB: apt-cache maybe? ;) | 07:53 |
| G0SUB | haha | 07:53 |
| phanatic | G0SUB: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is a nicer interface... | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it won't be terribly trivial but once it is done we can subscribe to all those packages in Malone and track Debian and Ubuntu versions | 07:55 |
| G0SUB | fine ... | 07:56 |
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| Xoritor | ok... so i have to apply some patches to something... again | 08:11 |
| Xoritor | heh | 08:11 |
| Xoritor | these are external patches, and in order to distribute the pristine sources as well as the patches how can i apply them et.al. | 08:11 |
| ArmeBosse | raphink: log4cpp, klibido and kvpnc updated | 08:13 |
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| LaserJock | Xoritor: how do you mean? | 08:22 |
| Xoritor | LaserJock, i want to apply the snortsam patches to snort (already rebuilding it to include prelude support) | 08:22 |
| Xoritor | including prelude support does not require patches (its part of snort) | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: ok | 08:23 |
| Xoritor | but snortsam requres patches | 08:23 |
| Xoritor | as it adds some things | 08:23 |
| Xoritor | not any requirements for building but some targets and what not | 08:23 |
| Xoritor | so i want to be able to give the pristine source (as the manual says to do) | 08:24 |
| Xoritor | and provide the snortsam patches (for those that want to build it themselves) | 08:24 |
| Xoritor | and so that I can give the changes upstream to the snort maintainer | 08:24 |
| Xoritor | once i have it all worked out | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: does it already use a patch system such as dpatch? | 08:25 |
| Xoritor | no it does its own thing | 08:25 |
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| Xoritor | it has a patchsnort.sh that it uses | 08:25 |
| Xoritor | http://www.snortsam.net/ | 08:27 |
| Xoritor | err... | 08:27 |
| Xoritor | http://www.snortsam.net/download.html | 08:27 |
| Xoritor | thats got the patch instructions on it... | 08:27 |
| Xoritor | ie... run sh patchsnort.sh snort-2.4.3 | 08:28 |
| Xoritor | or whatever | 08:28 |
| Xoritor | then it does applies some patches and does alot of seds | 08:28 |
| Xoritor | s/does applies/applies/ | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | so I guess you would want to replicate that with your patches | 08:29 |
| Xoritor | well what i was wanting to do is make sure i distribute a pristine source tree | 08:29 |
| Xoritor | is there a way to apply patches when building it? | 08:29 |
| Xoritor | how should paches be distributed? | 08:30 |
| Xoritor | external? | 08:30 |
| Xoritor | in the source tree? | 08:30 |
| Xoritor | should i just pre-patch it and name it snort-snortsam-2.4.3 | 08:30 |
| Xoritor | or | 08:30 |
| Xoritor | ? | 08:30 |
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| Xoritor | there are lots of things that COULD be done... im asking what the logical and acceptible practice is | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | well, I usually use dpatch to do that but if they aren't using it to start with ... | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: I suppose you could always email the maintainer and ask them for their preference | 08:32 |
| Xoritor | thats a good idea | 08:33 |
| Xoritor | i thought maybe there was a general concensus | 08:33 |
| Xoritor | ie... a "this is how everyone does it" type of thing | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | lol, consensus among Debian/Ubuntu devs? | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | better to ask and look stupid then get smarted than to blindly do and piss everyone off and have to re-do it | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | ;-) | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | heeh | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | heh | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | well... i notice snort, prelude, etc... are not built for ubuntu really at all | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | they are built for debain | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | and they have some "issues" when going to dapper | 08:35 |
| LaserJock | that is why I said Debian/Ubuntu ;-) | 08:35 |
| Xoritor | hehe | 08:37 |
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| mat|l | hi there, is anyone taking care of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/straw/+bug/33956 ? it's confirmed, so it probably only needs to be built/uploaded | 08:58 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 33956 in straw "UVF exception request (0.25.1 -> 0.26)" [Normal,Needs info] | 08:58 |
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| phanatic | hi rraphink :) | 09:05 |
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| herzi_x41 | can any1 tell me how to add diversions to a package? neither google nor ubuntu wiki do help me much (if i only knew a small package that uses diversions) | 09:31 |
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| LaserJock | herzi_x41: what doo you mean by diversions exactly? | 09:55 |
| herzi | when a file wants to override a file from another package | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | have you tried the Debian Policy manual? | 09:56 |
| herzi | i found a link to the "debian packaging guide" but that doesn't exist anymore | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | http://www.debian.org/devel/ has several packaging related docs | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | but in general I don't think it is ok to have files that override files from another package | 09:59 |
| herzi | i found it, thanks | 09:59 |
| herzi | oh it is better than overwriting files locally | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | mat|l: have you got an answer yet? | 10:00 |
| mat|l | LaserJock: about what? ontv ? no | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | "hi there, is anyone taking care of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/straw/+bug/33956 ? it's confirmed, so it probably only needs to be built/uploaded" | 10:01 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 33956 in straw "UVF exception request (0.25.1 -> 0.26)" [Normal,Needs info] | 10:01 |
| herzi | LaserJock: e.g. i have a very new i810 driver on my notebook, i need to overwrite i810_drv.so from xserver-xorg-driver-i810 libshadow.so from xserver-xorg-code and i915_dri.so from libgl1-mesa-dri so I can update my system and everything will still work well and quickly | 10:01 |
| mat|l | LaserJock: nothing yet :) | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | mat|l: I think Daniel Holbach (dholbach) will take care of it. He handles the UVF exceptions primarily. | 10:03 |
| mat|l | ok, I was just asking here because there hasn't been any activity on that bug for the last few days | 10:03 |
| mat|l | and I had some free time to test the new version since I'm a ontv lover :) | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | you sure you got the right bug? | 10:04 |
| mat|l | eerr, actually I didn't | 10:05 |
| mat|l | good catch :) | 10:05 |
| mat|l | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ontv/+bug/33441 | 10:05 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 33441 in ontv "UVF exception 1.6.2 -> 1.8.6" [Normal,Confirmed] | 10:05 |
| mat|l | this is the one I was talking about, sorry about the confusion | 10:06 |
| mat|l | I'd love to see a new straw too but that's a different thing :) | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | mat|l: no problem, I think it should be in the pipeline. We are waiting for a lot of stuff to get through the queues right now | 10:07 |
| mat|l | ok | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | mat|l: if Daniel and Reinhard are on it then it'll get done :-) | 10:08 |
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| LaserJock | hi minghua and marcin` | 10:20 |
| minghua | good afternoon LaserJock | 10:20 |
| G0SUB | minghua :) | 10:23 |
| minghua | hi G0SUB, how did the CC meeting went? | 10:25 |
| G0SUB | minghua awesome ... I passed! so did my LoCo Team | 10:25 |
| minghua | G0SUB: glad to hear that, congrats! | 10:25 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, so the Indian and Chinese LoCo teams did pretty well at the CC meeting (from looking at the irc logs) | 10:26 |
| G0SUB | minghua why does the debian NM process take so long? can't we make it a bit more faster? | 10:27 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock heh, we did | 10:27 |
| minghua | G0SUB: the Debian NM is actually equivalent to Ubuntu member + developer, so you can imagine the requirement is higher | 10:27 |
| G0SUB | minghua requirement is okay ... but the AM appointment itself takes a long time | 10:28 |
| minghua | G0SUB: and in Debian there is this legal issue, i.e., you need to be able to tell what software is free, besides the technical skills | 10:28 |
| G0SUB | minghua i am aware of that ... | 10:28 |
| minghua | G0SUB: I believe it's equally hard to get the core-dev status in ubuntu | 10:29 |
| G0SUB | in Ubuntu you can become a member one day and a MOTU the next day | 10:29 |
| minghua | and Debian people don't have as much time as Ubuntu people for evaluating new members, I suppose | 10:29 |
| G0SUB | possible | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: also since our development is faster, you get to see a broader range of issues faster | 10:30 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock I agree | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | but when you consider that in essence a DD is roughly equal to a core dev the time isn't that different | 10:30 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock but you have to realise that the DD process itself is much shorter than the time taken in appointing sombody to do the checking, etc. | 10:31 |
| G0SUB | for example, I have applied a month back ... and I have an advocate ... still no AM appointed | 10:32 |
| G0SUB | if an AM was appointed within a week, then I would have gone through at least half the process | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | well, you have to realize there are ~1000 DDs and aout ~50 Ubuntu devs so it is easier in Ubuntu because of the smaller numbers | 10:33 |
| G0SUB | again, that's also possible | 10:33 |
| G0SUB | but many DDs are also in a dormant state or are MIA | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | I agree that it would be nice if some of the "paperwork" type issues in the DD process went faster, although I haven't done it myself so I don't know for sure | 10:33 |
| G0SUB | so the number of active DDs would be far less | 10:33 |
| G0SUB | just look at this list https://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php | 10:34 |
| Kyral | hmm | 10:34 |
| Kyral | okay, people feel free to peg me with package requests for Next Week | 10:35 |
| Kyral | I'll be bored :D | 10:35 |
| G0SUB | heh | 10:35 |
| Kyral | I already have Kerry on my list | 10:35 |
| Kyral | I'm thinking of combining a bunch of Konqueror Service Menus from KDE-Apps into one big package | 10:36 |
| G0SUB | btw, do Ubuntu members get shell accounts like people.ubuntu.com/~username ? | 10:37 |
| Kyral | I dunno | 10:37 |
| G0SUB | ok | 10:37 |
| Kyral | Dangit, I should talk to Riddell about if I'm allowed to put things in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-profile/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: no they don't. | 10:40 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock I have seen some people .... or are they MOTUs? | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: I think those might be either Canonical employees or core devs | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | MOTUs don't either I don't think | 10:41 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock core-devs ... Seveas told me | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: then you'll have to work on that ;-) | 10:42 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock I will :) | 10:42 |
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| LaserJock | hi crimsun | 11:20 |
| Xoritor | yay | 11:20 |
| Xoritor | yay | 11:20 |
| Xoritor | yay | 11:20 |
| Xoritor | hip hip hooray! | 11:21 |
| Xoritor | sorry | 11:21 |
| Xoritor | i like it when things work | 11:21 |
| Xoritor | LaserJock, thanks for all of your help... i have learned a lot | 11:21 |
| crimsun | hi LaserJock | 11:21 |
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| LaserJock | Xoritor: well, I don't know that I helped all that much | 11:21 |
| Xoritor | LaserJock, you and azeem really did help me more than you know | 11:22 |
| Xoritor | LaserJock, lots of logic things and small tips, pointers to docs... an encouraging word... etc | 11:22 |
| Xoritor | let me say that the snort package is not for the faint of heart ;-) | 11:24 |
| Xoritor | heh | 11:24 |
| Xoritor | but i have never been faint of heart | 11:24 |
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| LaserJock | Xoritor: well, I'm glad I could help | 11:26 |
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| Xoritor | and tonight i will be doing my first 100% complete from scratch not existing anywhere that i have found package | 11:31 |
| Xoritor | heh | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: cool | 11:35 |
| Xoritor | ever played with snortsam? | 11:35 |
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