[12:03] koke! [12:03] hi! [12:04] hey koke [12:05] hi koke [12:05] I'm reviewing my reported bugs on gnome bugzilla. Some of them are >1 year old and have no response :_( [12:05] only some ;-) [12:06] I guess I can start packaging for KDE now *eyes KBeagle* [12:12] ahhhh [12:13] its called Kerry [12:18] hm === netdur [n=adel@adsl196-98-54-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] Kyral: who's that? [12:33] huh? [12:33] hi Riddell [12:34] 21:08 < Kyral> oy...Looks like Riddell got another KDE convert === Kyral points to himself [12:34] good evening ajmitch [12:34] Kyral: oh, cool :) [12:34] I intend to package KBeaglebar (once I make sure it works..) [12:35] what does that do? [12:35] Kicker Beagle Applet thing :P [12:35] hi MOTUs [12:35] Kyral: how does that communicate with beagle? [12:36] libbeagle [12:36] cool [12:36] what tseng said [12:36] feel free to package Kerry too, we get a lot of requests for that [12:36] Riddell: I have Spring Break coming up next week ;P [12:36] Oh what are the KDE -dev headers called? [12:37] kdelibs4-dev [12:37] even for KDE 3.5? [12:38] Kyral: 4 is the so version [12:38] oh [12:38] Kyral: not the software version [12:38] in the case of KDE it is a bit more complicated [12:38] because kdelibs has more that just one [12:39] hub, are you abiword guy? [12:39] Riddell: I'm half convert [12:39] netdur: yes [12:39] the number on the end of packages doesn't have to have any relationship to the version number of the library, it just has to increate whenever binary compatibility is changed [12:39] Yukake(sp?) owns :D [12:39] kde also has a stupidly high epoch because of bad version numbering in pre 1.0 releases [12:40] :'( === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] Reminds me of what Slack did lol [12:41] Riddell: well, it is commonly accepted that the number match the so-version [12:41] Riddell: lintian is the first to complain :-) [12:42] damnit [12:42] sure it's nice, but not all library authors have a sane binary compatibility policy, and some packages include lots of libraries [12:42] we don't have the right libbeagle [12:42] Riddell: that why I say "commonly accepted" :-) [12:42] what is the 'right' libbeagle [12:43] libbeagle-0.0 >= 0.2.1 [12:43] we have that [12:44] build-dep on beagle-dev [12:44] yah I know, I installed it and it still complains [12:44] /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libbeagle-0.0.pc [12:44] tseng: I'm compiling it first to make sure it works (local install) [12:48] is there channel to ask legal questions about (ed)ubuntu? [12:48] netdur: how many lawyers do you think would regularly be on irc? [12:49] dunno [12:49] netdur: debian-legal ML would probably be the best bet [12:49] it's about ubuntu tradmark [12:50] netdur: email is probably best then === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] jeeze, how long does it take to compile gcc >:( [12:52] ajmitch, what email? [12:52] LFS LaserJock? [12:52] netdur: someone at canonical, I'd say [12:53] Kyral: no, stupid OSX, why they don't ship a Fortran compiler, I don't know [12:53] thanks [12:54] http://www.canonical.com/contact says info@canonical.com - it may not be the best address, but they will be the ubuntu trademark holder [12:55] thank you :) [12:56] Riddel what was that other program you are getting a lot of requests for? [12:56] Kerry? [12:56] Maybe [12:57] Kyral: http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/kerry-0.07-7.src.rpm [12:57] and http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/kio_beagle-0.2-7.src.rpm [12:57] Is it on KDE-Apps :P [12:58] there is a Qt#? [12:58] yah...there is an EBuild... [12:58] or did they use C++ for the frontend? [12:58] libbeagle is C [12:59] ah ok [01:00] but libbeagle still calls the CLI stuff, right? [01:00] i dont think directly [01:00] How do I manipulate src.rpms? [01:00] Kyral: alien [01:01] you can open it in file-roller [01:01] ty [01:01] Kyral: and then wash your hands ;-) [01:01] lol === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-66-202.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-111-122.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] hi minghua [01:38] hello LaserJock [01:39] minghua: you should check your LP page [01:40] LaserJock: yay for the icon! :-) [01:40] if that's what you mean... [01:40] yep [01:41] I think it is pretty cool [01:41] yeah, I like it too [01:41] is that part of this "UI sprint"? [01:42] no, a new team member G0SUB offered it [01:42] cool [01:50] argggghhhhhhh [01:51] I spent all that time building gcc and it didn't compile g77 :( === netdur [n=adel@adsl196-98-54-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [01:58] when do you need to compile gcc by hand? [01:58] fink? === kiko is now known as kiko-zzz [02:01] minghua: stupid intel mac [02:02] minghua: I'm trying to run some scipy so that means I have to install scipy which mean I need a Fortran compiler [02:02] but I need an Intel Fotran compiler [02:02] I mean an i386 Fortran compiler [02:05] LaserJock: fink has a separate module for g77 if fink is what you are using [02:06] LaserJock: to be fair, though, I need to compile my own g77 on my powerpc mac as well [02:07] fink borks on g77 [02:07] so I'm going to give darwin ports a try [02:12] great, now I can't even install darwin ports. This is really aggravating [02:22] LaserJock: probably some wrong options for intel CPU, fink's g77 worked fine on my iBook G4 === raptoid [n=raptoid@85.99.64.113] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond|away is now known as fbond === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond is now known as fbond|away === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] hi MOTUs [02:53] lo zak === mat|l [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] hi crimsun and zakame [02:59] lo lj [03:00] you guys know Ebuntu? check out http://www.elivecd.org/ [03:01] those are the checkinstalled E17 packages (last I checked), announced on ubuntu-users multiple times [03:01] blah [03:01] I think he's in here, too. [03:01] yeah [03:01] they're still checkinstalled [03:03] checkinstall is a popular program [03:03] but elivecd.org seem pretty cool though === StevenK hasn't even heard of checkinstall [03:03] StevenK: be glad [03:03] StevenK: long time no see, where have you been hiding? [03:03] hello LaserJock [03:04] ajmitch: Hej. Oh, I've been around, its usually after you just left though. :-) === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5486FB57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] StevenK: typical, I'm only online at work at the moment :) [03:04] Heh === StevenK is at uni, waiting for a prac to start. [03:05] Systems Programming 2 - or How to write bad code for Windows in 14 killer weeks. === ajmitch is *still* in brisbane, ought to be at uni instead [03:05] SP1 and Operating Systems were both *nix, but SP2 is Windows. :-/ [03:06] ajmitch: I thought Brisbane was a two week only thing? [03:06] ouch [03:06] StevenK: it was meant to be [03:06] then I ran into problems with the drivers I was meant to use :) [03:06] And wasn't that supposed to finish like two weeks ago? [03:06] yes === StevenK is seeing a pattern emerging. :-) === ajmitch should take up a different occupation [03:07] like bricklayer === StevenK curses his laptop. [03:07] Damn it, detect my USB mouse! === irvin_ [n=irvin@203.213.208.145] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] hmm, let me try again [03:10] hello, any MOTU have some time to sponsor two uploads for me? [03:10] shoot [03:11] both of them are existent packages, one of them fix an important bug [03:11] that would be bug #33763 and bug #29267 [03:11] malone bug 33763 in scim-hangul "scim-hangul: Add im-switch support" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33763 [03:11] malone bug 29267 in apt-proxy "apt-proxy crashes after upgrading" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29267 [03:12] minghua: so http://librarian.launchpad.net/1644752/scim-hangul_im-switch_update-2.debdiff for #33763? === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] crimsun: yes, that's the newest one [03:13] ok, I'll handle that one [03:14] crimsun: thanks a lot [03:16] ...and since no one else has spoken up about #29267, I guess that one, too [03:21] minghua: both uploaded, thanks. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] crimsun: thank *you* :-) === minghua is so happy === ajmitch goes postal on windows ce.net === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] bah, I'll just reclone === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb219-75-72-99.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === punkrockguy318 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@24-119-222-115.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@unaffiliated/gnulinuxer] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenbum [n=greg@c-69-181-178-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenbum [n=greg@c-69-181-178-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenbum [n=greg@c-69-181-178-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_away [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenbum [n=greg@c-69-181-178-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] has anybody seen jpatrick? === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_away [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:17] Unfrgiven: back === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@59.95.12.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] hi G0SUB [06:31] LaserJock hello! [06:31] LaserJock are you busy? I have a OT talk with you ... [06:32] G0SUB: thanks for the ubuntu-science icon, I like it [06:32] minghua you are my hero :) I bow to you ... [06:32] G0SUB: sure === minghua is confused and flattered [06:33] G0SUB: why? [06:33] minghua heh ... don't be === ajmitch bows to minghua also === LaserJock feels like a "minghua is a god" wiki page coming on ;-) [06:35] minghua everybody from Debian-IN will bow to you for your SCIM work [06:35] LaserJock: no, you need one first [06:36] G0SUB: oh that. most of the credit should go to SCIM upstream, I suppose :-) [06:36] but glad to know debian-IN people like my scim packages [06:36] heh, we do === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-124-249.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] freeflying: you got my reply about scim-pinyin, right? [07:07] minghua: ya [07:08] freeflying: oh good, I saw the upload in dapper-changes [07:08] freeflying: will be waiting for your reply, then === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:38] dolson: ping? [07:38] LaserJock: pong [07:38] dolson: you're up for Membership tomorrow, right? [07:38] yup [07:39] so is G0SUB [07:39] what is the URL of your wiki page? [07:39] how do I find that out? [07:39] haha, just kidding. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanaOlson [07:40] since I can't make the CC meeting ( 0400 for me) I was going to send an email to the CC for you and G0SUB [07:40] thanks man! === ajmitch probably wouldn't qualify for membership anymore :) [07:41] nope, automatically disqualified ;-) [07:41] don't worry ajmitch they just want you to have contributed for longer than 2 months, not contributed within the last 2 months ;-) [07:42] heh === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] crap.. you pinged me and then one of my guys died :( [07:43] and I'm at a boss [07:44] sorry [07:44] heh, it's not your fault. I shoulda waited for my turn to be over before I started typing [07:45] LaserJock: they do still look for recent contributions :) [07:45] glad you made it then ajmitch [07:45] I think if I'm back in NZ next week, once I clear the uni backlog I'll get stuck into my packages again [07:46] jezze, what email address would I use for Kamion? [07:47] he has got 6 on LP [07:47] all of them [07:47] the ubuntu.com address [07:47] which one? [07:48] the one he posts to mailing lists with :) [07:48] good point [07:48] LP is taking an age & a day to load a page [07:48] but that's because the link here seems saturated [07:49] ssh is lagged by ~10sec or more [07:50] LaserJock: I think CC has a role email address [07:50] LaserJock: if that's what you are doing [07:51] minghua: yeah, I just wonder if they ever read it ;-) === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] dolson: ok, email sent to community-council@lists.ubuntu.com [08:01] I'm going to bed now, cya all! [08:01] me too [08:01] see ya, and thanks LaserJock [08:02] 'morning [08:02] dolson: np [08:02] morning crimsun. I'm heading out too.. hope to catch a couple hours before the CC meeting [08:02] k === dolson is now known as dolzzzon [08:05] wow those CC meetings come around fast... [08:05] good thing, too, seeing how there are lots of prospective members [08:06] true === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port171-25.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:17] heya ajmitch_ [08:18] hey ajmitch === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-124-249.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] hi === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb219-75-72-99.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@203.89.167.120] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F12B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez needs a lil C++ help [09:47] anyone wanna gimme a hand? [09:47] morning [09:47] Mez: paste your problem to a pastebot === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] siretart, nope - just wanna know what type of record new returns ;) [09:48] hi crimsun [09:48] pointer or reference ? [09:48] hi siretart, Mez [09:48] ah [09:48] I dont need to know anyways [09:48] Mez: new returns just like malloc pointers [09:49] ah feck [09:49] for [09:49] new Program(s, _useExecName) [09:49] sorry [09:49] _result = new Program(s, _useExecName) [09:49] crimsun: yesterday, I did some investigation about udev in debian, in comparison with ubuntu (re: wpasupplicant) [09:49] how do i define it in the header file [09:50] siretart: ok [09:50] siretart: I have a question about syncs [09:50] crimsun: IIUC, the point of starting wpasupplicant to /etc/network/ifup.d/ was that in new udev in dapper, udev starts the interface [09:50] this is done in /etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown.rules [09:50] siretart: scim-table was approved for UVF exception, how should I request a sync? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:51] siretart: just reply the mails in ubuntu-motu? will an MOTU ask the sync for me (as I am not MOTU, I suppose elmo won't accept my request)? [09:51] siretart: as soon as the kernel event for it passes through udev, yes, the interfaces are brought up given an "auto" directive in /etc/network/interfaces [09:51] crimsun: this isn't done in debian. debian has on the one hand an even newer udev, but not such a rule [09:51] minghua: yes, just reply as instructed in my mail [09:52] the benefit of bringing up interfaces with udev is hotpluggable network devices [09:52] siretart: okay, will do, thanks [09:52] a use case debian doesn't support anyway, at least not out of the box and not as of today [09:52] right [09:54] ah. now I understand that my setup here on my notebook is rather bullshit. I'm currently starting whereami through /e/n/i, that should better be through a /e/n/ifup.d script.. [09:54] hm. will fiddle that out [09:54] right :) [09:55] ok, I think I'll upgrade wpasupplicant trunk branch to 0.4.8, fix some bugs, and document the 3 modes of operation (and implement them of course) [09:55] any objections for doing this in our 'stable' branch? [09:56] hm. [09:56] better in wpasupplicant-experimental, and cherrypick back === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:58] Mez: I have no idea what you are trying to do [09:59] ssiretart : ncm [09:59] nvm [10:00] hi [10:00] siretart: yes, please cherry-pick [10:00] okay === herzi [n=herzi@d092005.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] hello [10:39] i'm hungry :-( [10:57] there is this invention that cavemen used that can fix that [11:04] Cavemen certainly didn't invent eating. === Mez growls [11:17] I cant figure out where these darn errors are coming from [11:18] anyone good at C++ and care to help me out [11:19] Mez: it would be easier to help you if you could describe your problem better. consider reading esr's 'smart questions' howto [11:19] siretart: give me a chance === dholbach [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] I'm pushing my bzr branch === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F2495.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === deadchip [n=mderezyn@port-212-202-40-252.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] hey guys [11:39] what's the latest glib verson in dapper? [11:39] just asking cause we raised the dependency for glib in our app to glib 2.10 [11:39] and we want it to be buildable at least on dapper... [11:40] we have 2.10 [11:40] *** 2.10.0-0ubuntu3 0 [11:40] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages [11:42] crimsun, ok [11:42] thanks :) [11:42] np === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrfrost [n=mrfrost@dslb-084-056-084-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@unaffiliated/gnulinuxer] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl54009F68.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] hi people [12:18] hey phanatic [12:19] hey Gloubiboulga :) [12:19] Gloubiboulga: today is the day ;) [12:19] yep, I know :) [12:19] Gloubiboulga will you be at the meet? [12:19] G0SUB, no sorry... [12:19] bad news :( [12:19] oops! [12:20] I have to leave at 12:00 UTC [12:20] d'oh, I need to grab alsa-utils_1.0.10-1ubuntu8.dsc and rerun my diff. [12:20] I see === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === KillerKiwi2006_ [n=chatzill@219-89-202-222.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === KillerKiwi2006_ is now known as KillerKiwi2006 === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.59.59] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] G0SUB: I am just dropping by to have a look [01:04] minghua oh, great [01:04] G0SUB: I'll probably leave early to go to bed [01:04] G0SUB: good luck [01:04] minghua thanks a lot! [01:11] ogra: thanks! [01:11] :) [01:19] Er... the CC meeting doesn't seem to be starting, I think I'll go to bed [01:20] minghua heh, sweet dreams :) [01:20] minghua: good nicht then [01:20] s/nicht/night [01:20] bye === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-152-1-110-56.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-65-246-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] G'day All [01:50] hey Yagisan [01:50] G'day Hobbsee [01:50] what's up ? [01:50] hi Yagisan === Yagisan has had a crap week :( === Hobbsee is watchign the meeting, and looking vaguely at her computing assignment [01:51] I sacked CSU this week [01:51] Looking at enrolling at Central Queensland Uni instead [01:53] central queensland uni....havent heard of that one... [01:54] Hobbsee: http://www.cqu.edu.au/ [01:55] They have a campus in Town Hall/Wynyard if I actually need to see someone face to face [01:55] ah yep [01:55] that's in sydney though, isnt it? [01:56] yes [01:56] thought so [01:56] CSU had communication issues [01:56] still have sent a receipt for money paid [01:56] and not very approachable for the subjects [01:56] ie ask question - mysteriously get acussed of plagarism - fail [01:57] ah yep [01:57] great [01:58] :( [01:58] Hence, why I change. [01:58] How is Mac Uni ? Going well ? [01:59] wow, you remembered? [01:59] ah yeah, it's fun :) [01:59] chem's a little boring, but the rest is ok [01:59] comp115 is interesting [01:59] and the constructions still going crazy - its supposed to be done by easter - yay! [02:00] I tend to remember what people do - just not always their name or face, which can be embarrassing sometimes [02:00] yep === Hobbsee doesnt show her pics to most people on here, so you wont have trouble remembering my face [02:01] Yagisan: just remember that i'm a chick - that should separate me from most people :P === Yagisan reads. her ? [02:01] yes [02:01] hehe [02:02] nice. I never met many women when I did my IT training. Mostly guys in class. [02:02] yes, there arent many of us [02:04] I suppose the guys still try to hit on you ? (It seemed almost routine in TAFE, it was like "a chick - I'm going over") [02:04] or have they learned their lessons yet ? [02:04] heh [02:04] well, you know...some certainly do... [02:04] havent had it *that* much at uni, so far [02:05] but it's not uncommon for the guys at work to hit on me, etc [02:05] hopefully they've learned their lesson [02:05] Heh. There's a girl in my Systems Programming 2 class. === StevenK resists the urge to sound like a 16-year old. [02:06] StevenK: and how many times have you tried hitting on her, so far? :P [02:06] Hobbsee: None. [02:06] oh good! [02:06] Hobbsee: But only because I'm married. :-) [02:06] hehe [02:06] hehe [02:06] well that's a good excuse [02:06] er, reason, i mean [02:06] It's not an excuse! [02:06] brain is dying tonight! [02:06] Exactly. [02:06] sorry, i really did mean reason [02:06] It's okay, I'm yanking your chain. ;-) === Hobbsee should go to bed soon, clearly! [02:07] :P [02:07] I have two reasons. 1) I'm very picky. 2) My wife will souvenir my testicles if I do. [02:07] hehe [02:07] Heh [02:07] I'd rather not sound like tiny tim. [02:08] My wife would do that too. And then her friends would probably finish me off for hurting for. [02:08] s/ing for/ing her/ === Hobbsee nods with approval at the wives, and what they'd do [02:08] if that makes sense...which i'm sure it doesnt... [02:08] Hobbsee: Remind me never to piss you off. [02:08] hehe! [02:09] I doubt my wife would leave much of me left. [02:09] Hobbsee: I saw that wicked gleam! === kiko is now known as kiko-afk [02:09] LOL! [02:09] Yagisan: A chalk outline? :-) [02:09] Of course, then the regret would sink in. "Oh my god, I killed the pack horse, I mean my husband" [02:09] heh [02:10] Hahah [02:10] "Oh my god, I killed the chaffeuer, I mean my husband." -- my case [02:11] of course my wife isn't quite that bad. But since her injury, she can even lift the kids up, so I do a lot of lifting etc for her [02:11] Yagisan: Understandable. [02:11] Yagisan: So she wouldn't kill you, but get you to perform hari-kari? === StevenK tries to understand. [02:12] The hospital realised yesterday what a fuck up they did. I need to take her everyday :( [02:12] StevenK: no, seppuku [02:12] Only yesterday? [02:13] yes, some 3 and a half months after they tore her in half [02:13] Seppuku is also known in English as hara-kiri [02:13] (Which is what I meant) [02:13] Hobbsee: advice. Don't ever give birth at westmead public hospital. [02:13] eek === StevenK rings MBF to thank them. [02:14] it's not really near me anywya, but yeah [02:14] I'm going to convince my wife for a private hospital. [02:14] Hobbsee: Where in Sydney are you? [02:14] Hobbsee: they *will forcibly discharge you without checking what is wrong* [02:14] StevenK: around pennant hills [02:14] so...north west... [02:14] Hobbsee: Heh, you're close to me. [02:15] StevenK: and you are where? [02:15] Blacktown [02:15] not really...but sorta [02:15] closer than a lot of others are! [02:15] My mother used to work in Pennant Hills, so I know my way around there. [02:15] the local hospital could not take my wife :( no faculties available for a VBAC birth :( [02:15] (At the CBA) === Yagisan needs to put kids to bed. brb === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] Hobbsee: Sydney is a big place, a 25 minute drive is supposed to be close. :-P [02:17] hehe [02:17] that's me to uni distance :D [02:17] Hobbsee: Macquarie? [02:17] At a guess [02:17] StevenK: yes [02:17] Heh, yay me [02:17] My sister goes to Mq [02:17] what course? [02:17] Teaching, the poor girl [02:18] eep === StevenK goes to see if the washing machine is finished. [02:19] You can tell Yagisan and I are well trained. [02:19] hehe! [02:19] re. Child 1 of 2 Complete [02:19] :) [02:20] How does one force a child process to sleep() anyway .... [02:20] One of these days I am going to write my book: "Parenting the UNIX way." [02:20] a large brick, but that's not usually recommended :P [02:20] Hobbsee: Excuse me, I need to pick up my jaw. [02:20] hehe === kiko-afk is now known as kiko [02:21] or let them stay up till they literally fall asleep? [02:21] that's what i usually do [02:21] Hobbsee: And the next thing I was going to come out with was, "If you get a signal, you reap your children", but the brick sounds far more brutal. [02:21] it's hard. After a child process has been running for a certain period of time, typically 10-12 hours, signals tend to be ignored [02:21] Heh [02:21] hehe [02:21] They fall into D state? === StevenK sighs. [02:22] ugh, i'm not sure how one goes about reaping a child, but i certainly dont like the way i misread that statement! [02:22] anyway, what's the D state? [02:23] Hobbsee: ps aux [02:23] I then need to isolate the process, apply a signal 15 (teddy bear), and wait 5 minutes, before repeating as required [02:23] ah yes [02:23] Hobbsee: You see the S and R, S being Sleeping and R being Run, D is Dead/Disk [02:23] yep, right [02:23] Yagisan: Surely signal 10 === Hobbsee thinks that this must be a place full of geeks, to have jokes based in computer languages, rather than normal english :P [02:24] meah - perhaps. I haven't been able to think straight in days [02:24] Hobbsee: I want a baby shirt that reads "child process" [02:24] hehe! [02:24] Yagisan: With 10 being USR1 === Yagisan looks at child process. Not sig 10 is being ignored [02:25] *notes* [02:25] Hobbsee: Or two shirts. Both say "fork()" on the front, with the kiddo's saying "0" on the back, and mine saying "2563" on the back [02:25] is someone with an pentium4/pentium-m running dapper here and has some time for debugging something? :) [02:25] slomo: yes and no [02:25] Hobbsee: you may find the geek of your dreams here ;) [02:25] heh [02:25] But I'm taken! === StevenK runs away. [02:25] Far away. [02:25] LOL! [02:26] StevenK: have you seen the linda patch sladen uploaded for fixing the mo issue? === Hobbsee runs after StevenK :P [02:26] siretart: Yes. [02:26] Eek [02:26] You haven't met my wife, have you? :-P === Yagisan is reminded of the rogain hair treatment commercial [02:26] Muahaha [02:26] run StevenK, run ! [02:26] hehe! [02:27] cant say that i have, no [02:27] Part of me is thinking, "Eh, could be fun." The other part is thinking "ohshitohshit, run" === Hobbsee wouldnt do that anyway [02:27] StevenK: is safe [02:27] Heh [02:28] dholbach isn't around? :( [02:28] dolson: I thought he was for a moment, I keep getting your two nicks confused. [02:28] dolson, dont worry i'll support you based on very cool pics heh [02:28] heh [02:28] siretart: I have a plan; it's just waiting for some free time [02:29] lol, thanks jsgotangco. I'm sure that the pics should seal the deal for the CC [02:29] Mainly, killing the .mo files from /usr/share/locale, and shipping them under /usr/share/linda [02:29] ok. just wanted to make sure that you are aware of it [02:30] That will also fix the 4 or so bugs that got filed by people that keep using localepurge [02:31] anywya, night all [02:31] completely off topic, but anyone here (other then me) run folding@home ? [02:31] Hobbsee: Night! [02:31] night Hobbsee [02:31] Yagisan: I fold the washing, is that the same thing? [02:32] StevenK: no, but nice try [02:32] hehe [02:32] teamubuntu could use some help [02:32] Ah. [02:33] seti@home like [02:33] yes [02:33] My CPUs usually have better things to do. [02:33] FYI the forum thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102313 [02:33] StevenK: occasionally my boxes actually are idle. esp the firewall - it gets bored [02:34] this one might have some medical benefit though. [02:34] Yagisan: Most of my machines are non-i386 [02:35] 4 are, out of 8 [02:35] ah, any amd64 ? (Sidenote, I'd like some non i386 boxes) [02:36] 4 i386, sparc64, alpha, parisc, amd64 [02:36] yay and all that [02:36] I could grab a ppc to add to my collection, except I don't know what to do with it, or where to keep it. [02:37] thanks siretart, raphink, ogra, jsgotangco [02:37] :) [02:38] dolson: congrats [02:38] StevenK: I participate because I have relatives that suffer from Alzheimer's Disease. Hopefully its useful. [02:38] cheers === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] Ah [02:38] dolson, well deserved :) [02:39] hope you're right :) [02:39] judging your past work, i am ... :) [02:45] siretart, raphink, ogra: thanks for your support :) [02:45] :) [02:45] :) [02:45] you deserve it === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-115-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kiko [n=kiko@201.14.111.3] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Left] [02:45] :) [02:45] i hope somebody will cheer for me too! :) [02:46] now i have to rush for my maths lesson [02:46] :) [02:46] jpatrick! where are you my friend? === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-75-114.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] good luck with your maths phanatic [02:47] thx :) === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] G0SUB: you should be fine on your own merits. :) I can't really vouch for you, being what I am, or I would [02:51] dolson hehe ... let's hope :) you can at least cheer for this poor fellow :) [02:52] Gimme a G! G! You got your G, you got your G! Gimme a zero! [02:53] hehe [02:53] G0000000000000 SUB!! [02:53] dolson you are a c00l dude :) [02:53] you don't know me that well, heh [02:54] wow , anyone will help me for MOTU ,hehe [02:55] freeflying: is that a question? [02:55] crimsun: ya [02:56] crimsun: hope can do more with you MOTUs [02:56] freeflying: certainly [02:56] :) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] crimsun: so I just wonder shat shall do , hehe [03:08] congrats G0SUB. I told you :) === dholbach [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] dholbach is here! [03:09] hi dolson [03:09] dholbach: I had hoped you would be at the CC meeting to vouch for me [03:09] but you were offline [03:09] and I didn't get in :( [03:09] maybe next time [03:10] sorry, we were at lunch [03:10] dolson: what's holding you back? [03:10] dholbach: just kidding, hahah! I am in :) [03:10] hah [03:11] hi crimsun and everybody else [03:11] (I hope he has a sense of humor) [03:11] dolson thanks! [03:11] hi daniel :) === Yagisan drags self to bed. Night all [03:13] 'night Yagisan [03:13] I think I'll go to bed too. It is after 9am, and I had about a half hour of sleep === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-152-1-110-56.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach__ [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] any motu for kvpnc and klibido ? [03:41] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2117 [03:42] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2118 === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] logcpp too ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2066 === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] dholbach, ping [03:51] nomed: pong [03:52] dholbach, do u think it will be possible to have tango icons in main ? [03:52] ...there are already. [03:52] since ? [03:52] :/ [03:53] Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:24:47 +0200 [03:54] that is, zcat /usr/share/doc/tango-icon-theme/changelog.Debian.gz|tail -2 |awk -F'>' '{ print $2 }' [03:54] nomed: we're already having an icon discussion over here, and we're going to use the tango icon set in an altered way - I think we don't need the same set of icons in main "twice" [03:55] oh, I completely misparsed that, way to go me [03:55] we already tried to make the amount of packages in main smaller, as 'main' means 'supported by canonical' and it means '3 years of fixes for the desktop' [03:55] so there are always more things than "it'd be nice to have it" to consider :/ [03:55] dholbach, why not Inherit=Tango in ubuntu icons ? [03:55] dholbach, i understand ... [03:56] it 's because we'll discuss about xubuntu icons this evening [03:56] and my idea was to Inherit=Tango in xubuntu-icon-theme === dholbach [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] nomed: we're already having an icon discussion over here, and we're going to use the tango icon set in an altered way - I think we don't need the same set of icons in main "twice" [03:58] we already tried to make the amount of packages in main smaller, as 'main' means 'supported by canonical' and it means '3 years of fixes for the desktop' [03:58] so there are always more things than "it'd be nice to have it" to consider :/ [03:58] ok [03:59] note also that we already make huge concessions for xubuntu ... [03:59] i wasnt eager to keep xscreensaver in main ... [04:00] ogra, yes i understand [04:01] (only one example ) [04:01] we once had a policy to not duplicate apps in main ... [04:02] buut i understand why xubuntu doesnt want gnome-screensaver === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] xscreensaver is a fair bit more mature than g-ss, IMO [04:06] power management will be a problem with it now [04:06] and i dont agree that its more mature if i look at integration [04:06] i neither agree about the implementation .... [04:07] but xss is more feature complete, thats for sure ... [04:07] (as you would expect for a >20year old software) [04:07] xss doesn't lock my screen every five minute when resuming, for instance. :-P [04:07] Mithrandir, thats a g-p-m bug [04:08] it needs to talk to g-s-s to determine activity [04:08] else it will call dpms off ... === lbm [n=lbm@messecenteraars.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] strange that it happens without g-p-m running, then? [04:08] it's not dpms, it's _locking_ the screen. The screen is definitively on. [04:10] hmm, i wonder whats so special bout your install then ... i dont see it anywhere and have no further bugs about it ... the only thing that comes up moore often is g-p-m using dpms while it shouldnt [04:10] it's just half of dbus dying on suspend and resume and apps not coping. [04:11] but why is dbus dying ? [04:11] just a bunch of the apps. [04:11] no idea why [04:12] it's not relevant, really. g-ss should cope with g-p-m going away. [04:12] ah, so its not g-s-s alone [04:12] yup, i agree ... [04:12] I haven't debugged it, but that's my guess, yes. [04:13] my probblem is really the big discrepancy in respondability between the two upstreams ... hughsie is really fast with his fixes to g-p-m .... g-s-s upstream bugs get rejected first, then discussed on the list etc etc ... === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.120.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/log4cpp-0602262010/log4cpp-0.3.4b/debian/liblog4cpp3-dev.install [04:19] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/log4cpp-0602262010/log4cpp-0.3.4b/debian/liblog4cpp3-dev.dirs [04:19] ogra: hi [04:20] why these two file's content are not the same ? [04:20] freeflying: well dirs contain the dirs to be created for the package, and install where to install the files in the system [04:20] freeflying: you were telling me about the .files though [04:21] raphink: ya, my fault [04:22] raphink: but why dose he use .install and .files in one package ? [04:22] can you give the url to the .files please? [04:23] raphink: I mean in the same package , why some binary use .install and others use .files ? [04:23] ah? === Xoritor [n=xoritor@user-119atva.biz.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] doesn't matter [04:23] it's better to use the same standards for homogeneity === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable023.222-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] imo [04:23] freeflying: cleanup mistake, files isn't needed anymor [04:23] files was probably used in 0.2.8 [04:24] ArmeBosse: this is package already in debain ? [04:24] yes [04:24] ArmeBosse: so you sync or merge it ? [04:25] merge [04:25] why ? [04:25] ArmeBosse: how about use merge from debian in your changelog ? [04:26] instead of : Initial Ubuntu release based on Debian package [04:27] sync is applicable too in this case ? [04:28] ubuntu already has liblog4cpp ... === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:29] (so it cant be "Initial Ubuntu release") [04:29] yep right [04:30] Amaranth: in kvpnc, why do you use kvpnc.links ? [04:30] what? [04:30] better ? : Sync with debian package [04:31] freeflying: cdbs do it ? [04:31] i haven't touched kvpnc [04:31] and its a cxx transition i bet [04:31] Amaranth: ArmeBosse ;) [04:31] ArmeBosse: sure cdbs can do it in your rules [04:31] Amaranth, but why ? its always been there ... you *could* have touched it already :P [04:31] Amaranth: sorrry ? [04:32] heh [04:32] ogra: it starts with a k :P [04:32] hehe [04:32] :) [04:34] ogra: we'd advocate edubuntu in china, but firstly you'd help me on packageing :) [04:35] heh [04:35] :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] ogra: don't just laugh :) === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] raphink: i need libtool in build-dep because i use it in rules [04:37] ah ok ArmeBosse then good [04:37] i need to update changelog .. [04:38] freeflying, i'm not laughing about you, it was the sound of happiness about edubuntu promotion coming out of my mounth :) [04:38] ArmeBosse: in klibido , only one binary package , why use a dirs [04:38] ogra: hehe [04:39] ogra: but you'd solve the chinese fonts problem , anyway [04:39] i currently have space problems due to the chinese fonts ... [04:40] your two new packages are twice as big as the old four packages that were there [04:40] ogra: how about give u new one [04:40] (which makes +1MB .... i only have 400k on the CD) [04:41] freeflying: see changelog ;) Converted to cdbs :) and i'm new user of cdbs [04:42] freeflying: i must drop dirs file ? [04:42] ArmeBosse, you took an existing debian package and changed the packaging system ? [04:42] ArmeBosse: only one binary package at all [04:43] ogra: in debian and current ubuntu universe there's 0.2.4.1 and use debhelper === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] ogra: can't be done ? [04:44] ArmeBosse, yes, but its considered *very evil* to just channge someone else package completely ... === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-152-1-110-56.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:44] ArmeBosse, what doe the debina maintainer say about it ... [04:44] *debian [04:44] ogra: but if the maintainer agree on , then can he do like yhis [04:44] ogra: ok, i'm not evil :) i can revert to debhelper [04:44] s/yhis/this [04:45] ogra: i didn't asked debian maintainer ... [04:45] freeflying, sure, but its still a lot of work we have to carry around [04:45] ArmeBosse, what was wrong with the debhelper packaging ? [04:45] nothing special :) i'm playing with cdbs ATM ... [04:46] ArmeBosse: imo, you'd remove the dir in debian dir === ogra thinks cdbs is useless apart from mass packaging where it can speed up things ... [04:47] you should in any case understand debhelper to its deepst first ... [04:48] i need to learn cdbs for some team maintainance related work, so i started on real package [04:48] ogra: i already know debhelper, my previous packages were with it [04:48] ArmeBosse, fine then [04:49] ogra: it's not a problem to revert klibido to debhelper :) === raphink likes cdbs very much but agrees that's it's good to know debhelper, too [04:49] I prefer cdbs though [04:49] it's easier to review and maintain [04:49] but dont take existing packages and change their packaging system we'll have to carry around the difference forever [04:49] cdbs saves time and work for us [04:49] maintainance team = kde packaging related stuff ;) [04:49] ogra: sure [04:49] raphink, tons of useless overhad cdbs is ... [04:50] freeflying, but it doesnt give you any insight how to do packaging right [04:50] ogra: ya [04:51] freeflying, i wouldnt approve any motu who doesnt know debhelper at all ... [04:51] ogra: can you please add this comment on the package, there's 3 package in review in the same time ... i need a track ;) [04:51] freeflying: cdbs can also cause major headaches in more complicated packages [04:51] ArmeBosse, i dont even have an account :) [04:51] heh [04:51] siretart: but in simple stuff, it woks quickly at all :) [04:52] right [04:53] ogra: I do hope you can solve the chinese fonts problem in dapper :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Natja [n=lionel@st-209-250.student.fundp.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] raphink: log4cpp changelog updated [05:04] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2120 === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d076161.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] gnome bug 313268 [05:38] gnome bug 313268 in gobject "Introspection namespace->file mapping, use gmodule instead of dlopen, etc.." [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313268 [05:38] neat === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@d076161.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d076161.adsl.hansenet.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === dholbach [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:49] howdy dholbach [05:52] hellas siretart [05:52] why does /proc/cpuinfo show my amd athon64 3400+ w/ a clock speed of only 1GHz? [05:52] in dapper [05:53] kernel 2.6.15-17-amd64-k8 [05:53] cpu MHz : 999.917 [05:53] dholbach: could you please have a look at the the seahorse uvf request? I prepared a package which works for me and I'd like to upload it [05:53] I don't think that is correct [05:53] siretart: 0.9.0? === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] chillywilly: because powernowd scales your processor down to 1ghz. this is cool and quiet [05:53] dholbach: no, 0.8.1 [05:54] siretart: what about 0.9? [05:54] I attached both diffstats, also for 0.9 [05:54] righto [05:54] dholbach: slomo and I have agreed that we will prepare test packages for public testing first. the new features look interesting, but they are quite invasive [05:54] i see [05:55] chillywilly, sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-$(uname -r) && apt-get source -b ... then wait 5 min and cat /proc/cpuinfo .... see, it helps :) [05:55] but 0.8.1 seems pretty safe and fixes most (if not all) problems in seahorse/dapper [05:56] ogra: what is that exactly doing? building a new kernel? [05:56] heh, yes [05:56] giving your CPU some work to do ... [05:56] ic [05:57] powernowd scales the cpu speed dynamically according to the load [05:57] so it dynamically scales it [05:57] you may also start up some bigger applications like openoffice or something [05:57] chillywilly: yes, see the manpage [05:58] nifty === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:28] hi Seveas [06:28] hi === netzmeister [i=netzmeis@p549FB4A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:28] Seveas: i'd like to ask you to put me on the "wanna-cloak" list :) [06:29] sure [06:29] thanks [06:29] what was your real name again? [06:29] netzmeister: Gueten Morgen [06:30] Seveas: Szilveszter Farkas [06:30] ok, you're on the list [06:31] LaserJock: no, its not morning.. [06:31] ;-) [06:31] we've half past six ;-) [06:41] it is here though ;-) === spacey [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-043-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:30] can someone close the revu request at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1930 ? It can be removed, because it will be synced from debian now that the uvf exception is confirmed. I dont have a login to do it myself. === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-043-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Kopete] === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@unaffiliated/gnulinuxer] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] hi G0SUB [07:40] phanatic :) [07:40] i just want to congrat :) [07:40] couldn't be there [07:40] but i saw you did it :) [07:40] LaserJock thanks a lot for the testimonial ... helped a lot! [07:40] phanatic heh, thanks! [07:44] raphink: sent you a mail [07:48] G0SUB: I read the irc log this morning, good work :-) [07:48] LaserJock I am indebted to you ... === G0SUB declares himself as LaserJock's slave for the rest of his life [07:49] LaserJock I will get to MOTU-Science as soon as I get some time ... [07:50] lol, just what I need, another slave to do my bidding ;-) [07:50] haha [07:50] G0SUB: do you have some background with scientific apps for linux? [07:51] LaserJock I don't understand [07:51] G0SUB: I'm interested in getting lists of scientific apps that are in Ubuntu [07:51] aah, that I can do ... [07:52] G0SUB: I have lists made up of the math, science, and tex sections but many apps are in other sections of the repo [07:52] i see [07:52] G0SUB: we need to get a list of those others [07:52] fine ... I will do an audit [07:52] G0SUB: that would be very helpful to me [07:52] I will do it [07:53] great, thanks [07:53] LaserJock any idea if there is a comprehensive list of packages in universe? [07:53] G0SUB: apt-cache maybe? ;) [07:53] haha [07:54] G0SUB: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is a nicer interface... [07:55] yeah, it won't be terribly trivial but once it is done we can subscribe to all those packages in Malone and track Debian and Ubuntu versions [07:56] fine ... === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:11] ok... so i have to apply some patches to something... again [08:11] heh [08:11] these are external patches, and in order to distribute the pristine sources as well as the patches how can i apply them et.al. [08:13] raphink: log4cpp, klibido and kvpnc updated === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-043-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@169.66.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] Xoritor: how do you mean? [08:22] LaserJock, i want to apply the snortsam patches to snort (already rebuilding it to include prelude support) [08:23] including prelude support does not require patches (its part of snort) [08:23] Xoritor: ok [08:23] but snortsam requres patches [08:23] as it adds some things [08:23] not any requirements for building but some targets and what not [08:24] so i want to be able to give the pristine source (as the manual says to do) [08:24] and provide the snortsam patches (for those that want to build it themselves) [08:24] and so that I can give the changes upstream to the snort maintainer [08:25] once i have it all worked out [08:25] Xoritor: does it already use a patch system such as dpatch? [08:25] no it does its own thing === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] it has a patchsnort.sh that it uses [08:27] http://www.snortsam.net/ [08:27] err... [08:27] http://www.snortsam.net/download.html [08:27] thats got the patch instructions on it... [08:28] ie... run sh patchsnort.sh snort-2.4.3 [08:28] or whatever [08:28] then it does applies some patches and does alot of seds [08:29] s/does applies/applies/ [08:29] so I guess you would want to replicate that with your patches [08:29] well what i was wanting to do is make sure i distribute a pristine source tree [08:29] is there a way to apply patches when building it? [08:30] how should paches be distributed? [08:30] external? [08:30] in the source tree? [08:30] should i just pre-patch it and name it snort-snortsam-2.4.3 [08:30] or [08:30] ? === dholbach_ [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] there are lots of things that COULD be done... im asking what the logical and acceptible practice is [08:31] well, I usually use dpatch to do that but if they aren't using it to start with ... [08:32] Xoritor: I suppose you could always email the maintainer and ask them for their preference [08:33] thats a good idea [08:33] i thought maybe there was a general concensus [08:33] ie... a "this is how everyone does it" type of thing [08:34] lol, consensus among Debian/Ubuntu devs? [08:34] better to ask and look stupid then get smarted than to blindly do and piss everyone off and have to re-do it [08:34] ;-) [08:34] heeh [08:34] heh [08:34] well... i notice snort, prelude, etc... are not built for ubuntu really at all [08:34] they are built for debain [08:35] and they have some "issues" when going to dapper [08:35] that is why I said Debian/Ubuntu ;-) [08:37] hehe === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rave_ [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat|l [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] hi there, is anyone taking care of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/straw/+bug/33956 ? it's confirmed, so it probably only needs to be built/uploaded [08:58] malone bug 33956 in straw "UVF exception request (0.25.1 -> 0.26)" [Normal,Needs info] === netzmeister [i=netzmeis@p549FB4A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] hi rraphink :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-55-82-255-167-40.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Surak [n=ubuntu@20132199223.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Surak [n=ubuntu@20132199223.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d076161.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] can any1 tell me how to add diversions to a package? neither google nor ubuntu wiki do help me much (if i only knew a small package that uses diversions) === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-7945.l1.c6.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] herzi_x41: what doo you mean by diversions exactly? [09:55] when a file wants to override a file from another package [09:56] have you tried the Debian Policy manual? [09:57] i found a link to the "debian packaging guide" but that doesn't exist anymore [09:58] http://www.debian.org/devel/ has several packaging related docs [09:59] but in general I don't think it is ok to have files that override files from another package [09:59] i found it, thanks [09:59] oh it is better than overwriting files locally [10:00] mat|l: have you got an answer yet? [10:00] LaserJock: about what? ontv ? no [10:01] "hi there, is anyone taking care of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/straw/+bug/33956 ? it's confirmed, so it probably only needs to be built/uploaded" [10:01] malone bug 33956 in straw "UVF exception request (0.25.1 -> 0.26)" [Normal,Needs info] [10:01] LaserJock: e.g. i have a very new i810 driver on my notebook, i need to overwrite i810_drv.so from xserver-xorg-driver-i810 libshadow.so from xserver-xorg-code and i915_dri.so from libgl1-mesa-dri so I can update my system and everything will still work well and quickly [10:02] LaserJock: nothing yet :) [10:03] mat|l: I think Daniel Holbach (dholbach) will take care of it. He handles the UVF exceptions primarily. [10:03] ok, I was just asking here because there hasn't been any activity on that bug for the last few days [10:04] and I had some free time to test the new version since I'm a ontv lover :) [10:04] you sure you got the right bug? [10:05] eerr, actually I didn't [10:05] good catch :) [10:05] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ontv/+bug/33441 [10:05] malone bug 33441 in ontv "UVF exception 1.6.2 -> 1.8.6" [Normal,Confirmed] [10:06] this is the one I was talking about, sorry about the confusion [10:06] I'd love to see a new straw too but that's a different thing :) [10:07] mat|l: no problem, I think it should be in the pipeline. We are waiting for a lot of stuff to get through the queues right now [10:07] ok [10:08] mat|l: if Daniel and Reinhard are on it then it'll get done :-) === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:20] hi minghua and marcin` [10:20] good afternoon LaserJock [10:23] minghua :) [10:25] hi G0SUB, how did the CC meeting went? [10:25] minghua awesome ... I passed! so did my LoCo Team [10:25] G0SUB: glad to hear that, congrats! === G0SUB bows down [10:26] yeah, so the Indian and Chinese LoCo teams did pretty well at the CC meeting (from looking at the irc logs) [10:27] minghua why does the debian NM process take so long? can't we make it a bit more faster? [10:27] LaserJock heh, we did [10:27] G0SUB: the Debian NM is actually equivalent to Ubuntu member + developer, so you can imagine the requirement is higher [10:28] minghua requirement is okay ... but the AM appointment itself takes a long time [10:28] G0SUB: and in Debian there is this legal issue, i.e., you need to be able to tell what software is free, besides the technical skills [10:28] minghua i am aware of that ... [10:29] G0SUB: I believe it's equally hard to get the core-dev status in ubuntu [10:29] in Ubuntu you can become a member one day and a MOTU the next day [10:29] and Debian people don't have as much time as Ubuntu people for evaluating new members, I suppose [10:29] possible [10:30] G0SUB: also since our development is faster, you get to see a broader range of issues faster [10:30] LaserJock I agree [10:30] but when you consider that in essence a DD is roughly equal to a core dev the time isn't that different [10:31] LaserJock but you have to realise that the DD process itself is much shorter than the time taken in appointing sombody to do the checking, etc. [10:32] for example, I have applied a month back ... and I have an advocate ... still no AM appointed [10:33] if an AM was appointed within a week, then I would have gone through at least half the process [10:33] well, you have to realize there are ~1000 DDs and aout ~50 Ubuntu devs so it is easier in Ubuntu because of the smaller numbers [10:33] again, that's also possible [10:33] but many DDs are also in a dormant state or are MIA [10:33] I agree that it would be nice if some of the "paperwork" type issues in the DD process went faster, although I haven't done it myself so I don't know for sure [10:33] so the number of active DDs would be far less [10:34] just look at this list https://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php [10:34] hmm [10:35] okay, people feel free to peg me with package requests for Next Week [10:35] I'll be bored :D [10:35] heh [10:35] I already have Kerry on my list [10:36] I'm thinking of combining a bunch of Konqueror Service Menus from KDE-Apps into one big package [10:37] btw, do Ubuntu members get shell accounts like people.ubuntu.com/~username ? [10:37] I dunno [10:37] ok [10:40] Dangit, I should talk to Riddell about if I'm allowed to put things in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-profile/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus [10:40] G0SUB: no they don't. [10:41] LaserJock I have seen some people .... or are they MOTUs? [10:41] G0SUB: I think those might be either Canonical employees or core devs [10:41] MOTUs don't either I don't think [10:41] LaserJock core-devs ... Seveas told me [10:42] G0SUB: then you'll have to work on that ;-) [10:42] LaserJock I will :) === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:20] hi crimsun [11:20] yay [11:20] yay [11:20] yay [11:21] hip hip hooray! [11:21] sorry [11:21] i like it when things work [11:21] LaserJock, thanks for all of your help... i have learned a lot [11:21] hi LaserJock === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] Xoritor: well, I don't know that I helped all that much [11:22] LaserJock, you and azeem really did help me more than you know [11:22] LaserJock, lots of logic things and small tips, pointers to docs... an encouraging word... etc [11:24] let me say that the snort package is not for the faint of heart ;-) [11:24] heh [11:24] but i have never been faint of heart === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-106.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] Xoritor: well, I'm glad I could help === punkrockguy318 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:31] and tonight i will be doing my first 100% complete from scratch not existing anywhere that i have found package [11:31] heh [11:35] Xoritor: cool [11:35] ever played with snortsam? === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xoritor [n=xoritor@user-119atva.biz.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === KillerKiwi2006 [n=chatzill@219-89-202-222.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-motu []