[12:03] <tseng> koke!
[12:03] <koke> hi!
[12:04] <Kyral> hey koke
[12:05] <ajmitch> hi koke
[12:05] <koke> I'm reviewing my reported bugs on gnome bugzilla. Some of them are >1 year old and have no response :_(
[12:05] <LaserJock> only some ;-)
[12:06] <Kyral> I guess I can start packaging for KDE now *eyes KBeagle*
[12:12] <netzmeister> ahhhh
[12:13] <tseng> its called Kerry
[12:18] <netzmeister> hm
[12:33] <Riddell> Kyral: who's that?
[12:33] <Kyral> huh?
[12:33] <ajmitch> hi Riddell
[12:34] <Riddell> 21:08 < Kyral> oy...Looks like Riddell got another KDE convert
[12:34] <Riddell> good evening ajmitch
[12:34] <Riddell> Kyral: oh, cool :)
[12:34] <Kyral> I intend to package KBeaglebar (once I make sure it works..)
[12:35] <Riddell> what does that do?
[12:35] <Kyral> Kicker Beagle Applet thing :P
[12:35] <Toadstool> hi MOTUs
[12:35] <Riddell> Kyral: how does that communicate with beagle?
[12:36] <tseng> libbeagle
[12:36] <Riddell> cool
[12:36] <Kyral> what tseng said
[12:36] <Riddell> feel free to package Kerry too, we get a lot of requests for that
[12:36] <Kyral> Riddell: I have Spring Break coming up  next week ;P
[12:36] <Kyral> Oh what are the KDE -dev headers called?
[12:37] <Riddell> kdelibs4-dev
[12:37] <Kyral> even for KDE 3.5?
[12:38] <hub> Kyral: 4 is the so version
[12:38] <Kyral> oh
[12:38] <hub> Kyral: not the software version
[12:38] <hub> in the case of KDE it is a bit more complicated
[12:38] <hub> because kdelibs has more that just one
[12:39] <netdur> hub, are you abiword guy?
[12:39] <hub> Riddell: I'm half convert
[12:39] <hub> netdur: yes
[12:39] <Riddell> the number on the end of packages doesn't have to have any relationship to the version number of the library, it just has to increate whenever binary compatibility is changed
[12:39] <Kyral> Yukake(sp?) owns :D
[12:39] <Riddell> kde also has a stupidly high epoch because of bad version numbering in pre 1.0 releases
[12:40] <netdur> :'(
[12:40] <Kyral> Reminds me of what Slack did lol
[12:41] <hub> Riddell: well, it is commonly accepted that the number match the so-version
[12:41] <hub> Riddell: lintian is the first to complain :-)
[12:42] <Kyral> damnit
[12:42] <Riddell> sure it's nice, but not all library authors have a sane binary compatibility policy, and some packages include lots of libraries
[12:42] <Kyral> we don't have the right libbeagle
[12:42] <hub> Riddell: that why I say "commonly accepted" :-)
[12:42] <tseng> what is the 'right' libbeagle
[12:43] <Kyral> libbeagle-0.0 >= 0.2.1
[12:43] <tseng> we have that
[12:44] <tseng> build-dep on beagle-dev
[12:44] <Kyral> yah I know, I installed it and it still complains
[12:44] <tseng> /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libbeagle-0.0.pc
[12:44] <Kyral> tseng: I'm compiling it first to make sure it works (local install)
[12:48] <netdur> is there channel to ask legal questions about (ed)ubuntu?
[12:48] <ajmitch> netdur: how many lawyers do you think would regularly be on irc?
[12:49] <netdur> dunno
[12:49] <LaserJock> netdur: debian-legal ML would probably be the best bet
[12:49] <netdur> it's about ubuntu tradmark
[12:50] <ajmitch> netdur: email is probably best then
[12:52] <LaserJock> jeeze, how long does it take to compile gcc >:(
[12:52] <netdur> ajmitch, what email?
[12:52] <Kyral> LFS LaserJock?
[12:52] <ajmitch> netdur: someone at canonical, I'd say
[12:53] <LaserJock> Kyral: no, stupid OSX, why they don't ship a Fortran compiler, I don't know
[12:53] <netdur> thanks
[12:54] <ajmitch> http://www.canonical.com/contact says info@canonical.com - it may not be the best address, but they will be the ubuntu trademark holder
[12:55] <netdur> thank you :)
[12:56] <Kyral> Riddel what was that other program you are getting a lot of requests for?
[12:56] <LaserJock> Kerry?
[12:56] <Kyral> Maybe
[12:57] <Riddell> Kyral: http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/kerry-0.07-7.src.rpm
[12:57] <Riddell> and http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src/kio_beagle-0.2-7.src.rpm
[12:57] <Kyral> Is it on KDE-Apps :P
[12:58] <hub> there is a Qt#?
[12:58] <Kyral> yah...there is an EBuild...
[12:58] <hub> or did they use C++ for the frontend?
[12:58] <Riddell> libbeagle is C
[12:59] <hub> ah ok
[01:00] <hub> but libbeagle still calls the CLI stuff, right?
[01:00] <tseng> i dont think directly
[01:00] <Kyral> How do I manipulate src.rpms?
[01:00] <hub> Kyral: alien
[01:01] <tseng> you can open it in file-roller
[01:01] <Kyral> ty
[01:01] <LaserJock> Kyral: and then wash your hands ;-)
[01:01] <Kyral> lol
[01:37] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[01:38] <minghua> hello LaserJock
[01:39] <LaserJock> minghua: you should check your LP page
[01:40] <minghua> LaserJock: yay for the icon! :-)
[01:40] <minghua> if that's what you mean...
[01:40] <LaserJock> yep
[01:41] <LaserJock> I think it is pretty cool
[01:41] <minghua> yeah, I like it too
[01:41] <minghua> is that part of this "UI sprint"?
[01:42] <LaserJock> no, a new team member G0SUB offered it
[01:42] <minghua> cool
[01:50] <LaserJock> argggghhhhhhh
[01:51] <LaserJock> I spent all that time building gcc and it didn't compile g77 :(
[01:58] <minghua> when do you need to compile gcc by hand?
[01:58] <minghua> fink?
[02:01] <LaserJock> minghua: stupid intel mac
[02:02] <LaserJock> minghua: I'm trying to run some scipy so that means I have to install scipy which mean I need a Fortran compiler
[02:02] <LaserJock> but I need an Intel Fotran compiler
[02:02] <LaserJock> I mean an i386 Fortran compiler
[02:05] <minghua> LaserJock: fink has a separate module for g77 if fink is what you are using
[02:06] <minghua> LaserJock: to be fair, though, I need to compile my own g77 on my powerpc mac as well
[02:07] <LaserJock> fink borks on g77
[02:07] <LaserJock> so I'm going to give darwin ports a try
[02:12] <LaserJock> great, now I can't even install darwin ports. This is really aggravating
[02:22] <minghua> LaserJock: probably some wrong options for intel CPU, fink's g77 worked fine on my iBook G4
[02:53] <zakame> hi MOTUs
[02:53] <crimsun> lo zak
[02:59] <LaserJock> hi crimsun and zakame
[02:59] <crimsun> lo lj
[03:00] <LaserJock> you guys know Ebuntu? check out http://www.elivecd.org/
[03:01] <crimsun> those are the checkinstalled E17 packages (last I checked), announced on ubuntu-users multiple times
[03:01] <Amaranth> blah
[03:01] <crimsun> I think he's in here, too.
[03:01] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:01] <Amaranth> they're still checkinstalled
[03:03] <ajmitch> checkinstall is a popular program
[03:03] <LaserJock> but elivecd.org seem pretty cool though
[03:03] <ajmitch> StevenK: be glad
[03:03] <ajmitch> StevenK: long time no see, where have you been hiding?
[03:03] <zakame> hello LaserJock
[03:04] <StevenK> ajmitch: Hej. Oh, I've been around, its usually after you just left though. :-)
[03:04] <ajmitch> StevenK: typical, I'm only online at work at the moment :)
[03:04] <StevenK> Heh
[03:05] <StevenK> Systems Programming 2 - or How to write bad code for Windows in 14 killer weeks.
[03:05] <StevenK> SP1 and Operating Systems were both *nix, but SP2 is Windows. :-/
[03:06] <StevenK> ajmitch: I thought Brisbane was a two week only thing?
[03:06] <crimsun> ouch
[03:06] <ajmitch> StevenK: it was meant to be
[03:06] <ajmitch> then I ran into problems with the drivers I was meant to use :)
[03:06] <StevenK> And wasn't that supposed to finish like two weeks ago?
[03:06] <ajmitch> yes
[03:07] <ajmitch> like bricklayer
[03:07] <StevenK> Damn it, detect my USB mouse!
[03:10] <minghua> hmm, let me try again
[03:10] <minghua> hello, any MOTU have some time to sponsor two uploads for me?
[03:10] <crimsun> shoot
[03:11] <minghua> both of them are existent packages, one of them fix an important bug
[03:11] <minghua> that would be bug #33763 and bug #29267
[03:11] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33763 in scim-hangul "scim-hangul: Add im-switch support" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33763
[03:11] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29267 in apt-proxy "apt-proxy crashes after upgrading" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29267
[03:12] <crimsun> minghua: so http://librarian.launchpad.net/1644752/scim-hangul_im-switch_update-2.debdiff for #33763?
[03:13] <minghua> crimsun: yes, that's the newest one
[03:13] <crimsun> ok, I'll handle that one
[03:14] <minghua> crimsun: thanks a lot
[03:16] <crimsun> ...and since no one else has spoken up about #29267, I guess that one, too
[03:21] <crimsun> minghua: both uploaded, thanks.
[03:23] <minghua> crimsun: thank *you* :-)
[03:34] <crimsun> bah, I'll just reclone
[06:05] <G0SUB> has anybody seen jpatrick?
[06:17] <LaserJock> Unfrgiven: back
[06:31] <LaserJock> hi G0SUB
[06:31] <G0SUB> LaserJock hello!
[06:31] <G0SUB> LaserJock are you busy? I have a OT talk with you ...
[06:32] <minghua> G0SUB: thanks for the ubuntu-science icon, I like it
[06:32] <G0SUB> minghua you are my hero :) I bow to you ...
[06:32] <LaserJock> G0SUB: sure
[06:33] <minghua> G0SUB: why?
[06:33] <G0SUB> minghua heh ... don't be
[06:35] <G0SUB> minghua everybody from Debian-IN will bow to you for your SCIM work
[06:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no, you need one first
[06:36] <minghua> G0SUB: oh that.  most of the credit should go to SCIM upstream, I suppose :-)
[06:36] <minghua> but glad to know debian-IN people like my scim packages
[06:36] <G0SUB> heh, we do
[07:07] <minghua> freeflying: you got my reply about scim-pinyin, right?
[07:07] <freeflying> minghua: ya
[07:08] <minghua> freeflying: oh good, I saw the upload in dapper-changes
[07:08] <minghua> freeflying: will be waiting for your reply, then
[07:38] <LaserJock> dolson: ping?
[07:38] <dolson> LaserJock: pong
[07:38] <LaserJock> dolson: you're up for Membership tomorrow, right?
[07:38] <dolson> yup
[07:39] <dolson> so is G0SUB
[07:39] <LaserJock> what is the URL of your wiki page?
[07:39] <dolson> how do I find that out?
[07:39] <dolson> haha, just kidding. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanaOlson
[07:40] <LaserJock> since I can't make the CC meeting ( 0400 for me) I was going to send an email to the CC for you and G0SUB
[07:40] <dolson> thanks man!
[07:41] <LaserJock> nope, automatically disqualified ;-)
[07:41] <LaserJock> don't worry ajmitch they just want you to have contributed for longer than 2 months, not contributed within the last 2 months ;-)
[07:42] <dolson> heh
[07:42] <dolson> crap.. you pinged me and then one of my guys died :(
[07:43] <dolson> and I'm at a boss
[07:44] <LaserJock> sorry
[07:44] <dolson> heh, it's not your fault. I shoulda waited for my turn to be over before I started typing
[07:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: they do still look for recent contributions :)
[07:45] <LaserJock> glad you made it then ajmitch
[07:45] <ajmitch> I think if I'm back in NZ next week, once I clear the uni backlog I'll get stuck into my packages again
[07:46] <LaserJock> jezze, what email address would I use for Kamion?
[07:47] <LaserJock> he has got 6 on LP
[07:47] <dolson> all of them
[07:47] <ajmitch> the ubuntu.com address
[07:47] <LaserJock> which one?
[07:48] <ajmitch> the one he posts to mailing lists with :)
[07:48] <LaserJock> good point
[07:48] <ajmitch> LP is taking an age & a day to load a page
[07:48] <ajmitch> but that's because the link here seems saturated
[07:49] <ajmitch> ssh is lagged by ~10sec or more
[07:50] <minghua> LaserJock: I think CC has a role email address
[07:50] <minghua> LaserJock: if that's what you are doing
[07:51] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I just wonder if they ever read it ;-)
[08:01] <LaserJock> dolson: ok, email sent to community-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:01] <LaserJock> I'm going to bed now, cya all!
[08:01] <dolson> me too
[08:01] <dolson> see ya, and thanks LaserJock
[08:02] <crimsun> 'morning
[08:02] <LaserJock> dolson: np
[08:02] <dolson> morning crimsun. I'm heading out too.. hope to catch a couple hours before the CC meeting
[08:02] <crimsun> k
[08:05] <Hobbsee> wow those CC meetings come around fast...
[08:05] <crimsun> good thing, too, seeing how there are lots of prospective members
[08:06] <Hobbsee> true
[08:17] <crimsun> heya ajmitch_
[08:18] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[08:24] <ajmitch_> hi
[09:47] <Mez> anyone wanna gimme a hand?
[09:47] <siretart> morning
[09:47] <siretart> Mez: paste your problem to a pastebot
[09:48] <Mez> siretart, nope - just wanna know what type of record new returns ;)
[09:48] <siretart> hi crimsun
[09:48] <Mez> pointer or reference ?
[09:48] <crimsun> hi siretart, Mez
[09:48] <Mez> ah
[09:48] <Mez> I dont need to know anyways
[09:48] <siretart> Mez: new returns just like malloc pointers
[09:49] <Mez> ah feck
[09:49] <Mez> for
[09:49] <Mez> new Program(s, _useExecName)
[09:49] <Mez> sorry
[09:49] <Mez> _result = new Program(s, _useExecName)
[09:49] <siretart> crimsun: yesterday, I did some investigation about udev in debian, in comparison with ubuntu (re: wpasupplicant)
[09:49] <Mez> how do i define it in the header file
[09:50] <crimsun> siretart: ok
[09:50] <minghua> siretart: I have a question about syncs
[09:50] <siretart> crimsun: IIUC, the point of starting wpasupplicant to /etc/network/ifup.d/ was that in new udev in dapper, udev starts the interface
[09:50] <siretart> this is done in /etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown.rules
[09:50] <minghua> siretart: scim-table was approved for UVF exception, how should I request a sync?
[09:51] <minghua> siretart: just reply the mails in ubuntu-motu?  will an MOTU ask the sync for me (as I am not MOTU, I suppose elmo won't accept my request)?
[09:51] <crimsun> siretart: as soon as the kernel event for it passes through udev, yes, the interfaces are brought up given an "auto" directive in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:51] <siretart> crimsun: this isn't done in debian. debian has on the one hand an even newer udev, but not such a rule
[09:51] <siretart> minghua: yes, just reply as instructed in my mail
[09:52] <siretart> the benefit of bringing up interfaces with udev is hotpluggable network devices
[09:52] <minghua> siretart: okay, will do, thanks
[09:52] <siretart> a use case debian doesn't support anyway, at least not out of the box and not as of today
[09:52] <crimsun> right
[09:54] <siretart> ah. now I understand that my setup here on my notebook is rather bullshit. I'm currently starting whereami through /e/n/i, that should better be through a /e/n/ifup.d script..
[09:54] <siretart> hm. will fiddle that out
[09:54] <crimsun> right :)
[09:55] <siretart> ok, I think I'll upgrade wpasupplicant trunk branch to 0.4.8, fix some bugs, and document the 3 modes of operation (and implement them of course)
[09:55] <siretart> any objections for doing this in our 'stable' branch?
[09:56] <siretart> hm.
[09:56] <siretart> better in wpasupplicant-experimental, and cherrypick back
[09:58] <siretart> Mez: I have no idea what you are trying to do
[09:59] <Mez> ssiretart : ncm
[09:59] <Mez> nvm
[10:00] <Tonio_> hi
[10:00] <crimsun> siretart: yes, please cherry-pick
[10:00] <siretart> okay
[10:39] <netzmeister> hello
[10:39] <netzmeister> i'm hungry :-(
[10:57] <kiko-zzz> there is this invention that cavemen used that can fix that
[11:04] <StevenK> Cavemen certainly didn't invent eating.
[11:17] <Mez> I cant figure out where these darn errors are coming from
[11:18] <Mez> anyone good at C++ and care to help me out
[11:19] <siretart> Mez: it would be easier to help you if you could describe your problem better. consider reading esr's 'smart questions' howto
[11:19] <Mez> siretart: give me a chance
[11:22] <Mez> I'm pushing my bzr branch
[11:39] <deadchip> hey guys
[11:39] <deadchip> what's the latest glib verson in dapper?
[11:39] <deadchip> just asking cause we raised the dependency for glib in our app to glib 2.10
[11:39] <deadchip> and we want it to be buildable at least on dapper...
[11:40] <crimsun> we have 2.10
[11:40] <crimsun>  *** 2.10.0-0ubuntu3 0
[11:40] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[11:42] <deadchip> crimsun, ok
[11:42] <deadchip> thanks :)
[11:42] <crimsun> np
[12:18] <phanatic> hi people
[12:18] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[12:19] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[12:19] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: today is the day ;)
[12:19] <Gloubiboulga> yep, I know :)
[12:19] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga will you be at the meet?
[12:19] <Gloubiboulga> G0SUB, no sorry...
[12:19] <phanatic> bad news :(
[12:19] <G0SUB> oops!
[12:20] <Gloubiboulga> I have to leave at 12:00 UTC
[12:20] <crimsun> d'oh, I need to grab alsa-utils_1.0.10-1ubuntu8.dsc and rerun my diff.
[12:20] <G0SUB> I see
[01:03] <minghua> G0SUB: I am just dropping by to have a look
[01:04] <G0SUB> minghua oh, great
[01:04] <minghua> G0SUB: I'll probably leave early to go to bed
[01:04] <minghua> G0SUB: good luck
[01:04] <G0SUB> minghua thanks a lot!
[01:11] <siretart> ogra: thanks!
[01:11] <ogra> :)
[01:19] <minghua> Er... the CC meeting doesn't seem to be starting, I think I'll go to bed
[01:20] <G0SUB> minghua heh, sweet dreams :)
[01:20] <phanatic> minghua: good nicht then
[01:20] <phanatic> s/nicht/night
[01:20] <minghua> bye
[01:49] <Yagisan> G'day All
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hey Yagisan
[01:50] <Yagisan> G'day Hobbsee
[01:50] <Yagisan> what's up ?
[01:50] <phanatic> hi Yagisan
[01:51] <Yagisan> I sacked CSU this week
[01:51] <Yagisan> Looking at enrolling at Central Queensland Uni instead
[01:53] <Hobbsee> central queensland uni....havent heard of that one...
[01:54] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: http://www.cqu.edu.au/
[01:55] <Yagisan> They have a campus in Town Hall/Wynyard if I actually need to see someone face to face
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ah yep
[01:55] <Hobbsee> that's in sydney though, isnt it?
[01:56] <Yagisan> yes
[01:56] <Hobbsee> thought so
[01:56] <Yagisan> CSU had communication issues
[01:56] <Yagisan> still have sent a receipt for money paid
[01:56] <Yagisan> and not very approachable for the subjects
[01:56] <Yagisan> ie ask question - mysteriously get acussed of plagarism - fail
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ah yep
[01:57] <Hobbsee> great
[01:58] <Yagisan> :(
[01:58] <Yagisan> Hence, why I change.
[01:58] <Yagisan> How is Mac Uni ? Going well ?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> wow, you remembered?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, it's fun :)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> chem's a little boring, but the rest is ok
[01:59] <Hobbsee> comp115 is interesting
[01:59] <Hobbsee> and the constructions still going crazy - its supposed to be done by easter - yay!
[02:00] <Yagisan> I tend to remember what people do - just not always their name or face, which can be embarrassing sometimes
[02:00] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: just remember that i'm a chick - that should separate me from most people :P
[02:01] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:02] <Yagisan> nice. I never met many women when I did my IT training. Mostly guys in class.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> yes, there arent many of us
[02:04] <Yagisan> I suppose the guys still try to hit on you ? (It seemed almost routine in TAFE, it was like "a chick - I'm going over")
[02:04] <Yagisan> or have they learned their lessons yet ?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:04] <Hobbsee> well, you know...some certainly do...
[02:04] <Hobbsee> havent had it *that* much at uni, so far
[02:05] <Hobbsee> but it's not uncommon for the guys at work to hit on me, etc
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hopefully they've learned their lesson
[02:05] <StevenK> Heh. There's a girl in my Systems Programming 2 class.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and how many times have you tried hitting on her, so far? :P
[02:06] <StevenK> Hobbsee: None.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> oh good!
[02:06] <StevenK> Hobbsee: But only because I'm married. :-)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:06] <G0SUB> hehe
[02:06] <Hobbsee> well that's a good excuse
[02:06] <Hobbsee> er, reason, i mean
[02:06] <StevenK> It's not an excuse!
[02:06] <Hobbsee> brain is dying tonight!
[02:06] <StevenK> Exactly.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> sorry, i really did mean reason
[02:06] <StevenK> It's okay, I'm yanking your chain. ;-)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:07] <Yagisan> I have two reasons. 1) I'm very picky. 2) My wife will souvenir my testicles if I do.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:07] <StevenK> Heh
[02:07] <Yagisan> I'd rather not sound like tiny tim.
[02:08] <StevenK> My wife would do that too. And then her friends would probably finish me off for hurting for.
[02:08] <StevenK> s/ing for/ing her/
[02:08] <Hobbsee> if that makes sense...which i'm sure it doesnt...
[02:08] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Remind me never to piss you off.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:09] <Yagisan> I doubt my wife would leave much of me left.
[02:09] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I saw that wicked gleam!
[02:09] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[02:09] <StevenK> Yagisan: A chalk outline? :-)
[02:09] <Yagisan> Of course, then the regret would sink in. "Oh my god, I killed the pack horse, I mean my husband"
[02:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:10] <StevenK> Hahah
[02:10] <StevenK> "Oh my god, I killed the chaffeuer, I mean my husband." -- my case
[02:11] <Yagisan> of course my wife isn't quite that bad. But since her injury, she can even lift the kids up, so I do a lot of lifting etc for her
[02:11] <StevenK> Yagisan: Understandable.
[02:11] <StevenK> Yagisan: So she wouldn't kill you, but get you to perform hari-kari?
[02:12] <Yagisan> The hospital realised yesterday what a fuck up they did. I need to take her everyday :(
[02:12] <Yagisan> StevenK: no, seppuku
[02:12] <StevenK> Only yesterday?
[02:13] <Yagisan> yes, some 3 and a half months after they tore her in half
[02:13] <StevenK> Seppuku is also known in English as hara-kiri
[02:13] <StevenK> (Which is what I meant)
[02:13] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: advice. Don't ever give birth at westmead public hospital.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> eek
[02:14] <Hobbsee> it's not really near me anywya, but yeah
[02:14] <StevenK> I'm going to convince my wife for a private hospital.
[02:14] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Where in Sydney are you?
[02:14] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: they *will forcibly discharge you without checking what is wrong*
[02:14] <Hobbsee> StevenK: around pennant hills
[02:14] <Hobbsee> so...north west...
[02:14] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Heh, you're close to me.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and you are where?
[02:15] <StevenK> Blacktown
[02:15] <Hobbsee> not really...but sorta
[02:15] <Hobbsee> closer than a lot of others are!
[02:15] <StevenK> My mother used to work in Pennant Hills, so I know my way around there.
[02:15] <Yagisan> the local hospital could not take my wife :( no faculties available for a VBAC birth :(
[02:15] <StevenK> (At the CBA)
[02:16] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Sydney is a big place, a 25 minute drive is supposed to be close. :-P
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:17] <Hobbsee> that's me to uni distance :D
[02:17] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Macquarie?
[02:17] <StevenK> At a guess
[02:17] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yes
[02:17] <StevenK> Heh, yay me
[02:17] <StevenK> My sister goes to Mq
[02:17] <Hobbsee> what course?
[02:17] <StevenK> Teaching, the poor girl
[02:18] <Hobbsee> eep
[02:19] <StevenK> You can tell Yagisan and I are well trained.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:19] <Yagisan> re. Child 1 of 2 Complete
[02:19] <Yagisan> :)
[02:20] <StevenK> How does one force a child process to sleep() anyway ....
[02:20] <StevenK> One of these days I am going to write my book: "Parenting the UNIX way."
[02:20] <Hobbsee> a large brick, but that's not usually recommended :P
[02:20] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Excuse me, I need to pick up my jaw.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:21] <Hobbsee> or let them stay up till they literally fall asleep?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> that's what i usually do
[02:21] <StevenK> Hobbsee: And the next thing I was going to come out with was, "If you get a signal, you reap your children", but the brick sounds far more brutal.
[02:21] <Yagisan> it's hard. After a child process has been running for a certain period of time, typically 10-12 hours, signals tend to be ignored
[02:21] <StevenK> Heh
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:21] <StevenK> They fall into D state?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ugh, i'm not sure how one goes about reaping a child, but i certainly dont like the way i misread that statement!
[02:22] <Hobbsee> anyway, what's the D state?
[02:23] <StevenK> Hobbsee: ps aux
[02:23] <Yagisan> I then need to isolate the process, apply a signal 15 (teddy bear), and wait 5 minutes, before repeating as required
[02:23] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[02:23] <StevenK> Hobbsee: You see the S and R, S being Sleeping and R being Run, D is Dead/Disk
[02:23] <Hobbsee> yep, right
[02:23] <StevenK> Yagisan: Surely signal 10
[02:24] <Yagisan> meah - perhaps. I haven't been able to think straight in days
[02:24] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I want a baby shirt that reads "child process"
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:24] <StevenK> Yagisan: With 10 being USR1
[02:25] <Yagisan> *notes*
[02:25] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Or two shirts. Both say "fork()" on the front, with the kiddo's saying "0" on the back, and mine saying "2563" on the back
[02:25] <slomo> is someone with an pentium4/pentium-m running dapper here and has some time for debugging something? :)
[02:25] <StevenK> slomo: yes and no
[02:25] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: you may find the geek of your dreams here ;)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:25] <StevenK> But I'm taken!
[02:25] <StevenK> Far away.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[02:26] <siretart> StevenK: have you seen the linda patch sladen uploaded for fixing the mo issue?
[02:26] <StevenK> siretart: Yes.
[02:26] <StevenK> Eek
[02:26] <StevenK> You haven't met my wife, have you? :-P
[02:26] <StevenK> Muahaha
[02:26] <Yagisan> run StevenK, run !
[02:26] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:27] <Hobbsee> cant say that i have, no
[02:27] <StevenK> Part of me is thinking, "Eh, could be fun." The other part is thinking "ohshitohshit, run"
[02:27] <Hobbsee> StevenK: is safe
[02:27] <StevenK> Heh
[02:28] <dolson> dholbach isn't around? :(
[02:28] <StevenK> dolson: I thought he was for a moment, I keep getting your two nicks confused.
[02:28] <jsgotangco> dolson, dont worry i'll support you based on very cool pics heh
[02:28] <dolson> heh
[02:28] <StevenK> siretart: I have a plan; it's just waiting for some free time
[02:29] <dolson> lol, thanks jsgotangco. I'm sure that the pics should seal the deal for the CC
[02:29] <StevenK> Mainly, killing the .mo files from /usr/share/locale, and shipping them under /usr/share/linda
[02:29] <siretart> ok. just wanted to make sure that you are aware of it
[02:30] <StevenK> That will also fix the 4 or so bugs that got filed by people that keep using localepurge
[02:31] <Hobbsee> anywya, night all
[02:31] <Yagisan> completely off topic, but anyone here (other then me) run folding@home ?
[02:31] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Night!
[02:31] <Yagisan> night Hobbsee
[02:31] <StevenK> Yagisan: I fold the washing, is that the same thing?
[02:32] <Yagisan> StevenK: no, but nice try
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:32] <Yagisan> teamubuntu could use some help
[02:32] <StevenK> Ah.
[02:33] <StevenK> seti@home like
[02:33] <Yagisan> yes
[02:33] <StevenK> My CPUs usually have better things to do.
[02:33] <Yagisan> FYI the forum thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102313
[02:33] <Yagisan> StevenK: occasionally my boxes actually are idle. esp the firewall - it gets bored
[02:34] <Yagisan> this one might have some medical benefit though.
[02:34] <StevenK> Yagisan: Most of my machines are non-i386
[02:35] <StevenK> 4 are, out of 8
[02:35] <Yagisan> ah, any amd64 ? (Sidenote, I'd like some non i386 boxes)
[02:36] <StevenK> 4 i386, sparc64, alpha, parisc, amd64
[02:36] <dolson> yay and all that
[02:36] <StevenK> I could grab a ppc to add to my collection, except I don't know what to do with it, or where to keep it.
[02:37] <dolson> thanks siretart, raphink, ogra, jsgotangco
[02:37] <siretart> :)
[02:38] <raphink> dolson: congrats
[02:38] <Yagisan> StevenK: I participate because I have relatives that suffer from Alzheimer's Disease. Hopefully its useful.
[02:38] <jsgotangco> cheers
[02:38] <StevenK> Ah
[02:38] <ogra> dolson, well deserved :)
[02:39] <dolson> hope you're right :)
[02:39] <ogra> judging your past work, i am ... :)
[02:45] <phanatic> siretart, raphink, ogra: thanks for your support :)
[02:45] <raphink> :)
[02:45] <ogra> :)
[02:45] <raphink> you deserve it
[02:45] <phanatic> :)
[02:45] <G0SUB> i hope somebody will cheer for me too! :)
[02:46] <phanatic> now i have to rush for my maths lesson
[02:46] <phanatic> :)
[02:46] <G0SUB> jpatrick! where are you my friend?
[02:46] <raphink> good luck with your maths phanatic
[02:47] <phanatic> thx :)
[02:51] <dolson> G0SUB: you should be fine on your own merits. :) I can't really vouch for you, being what I am, or I would
[02:51] <G0SUB> dolson hehe ... let's hope :) you can at least cheer for this poor fellow :)
[02:52] <dolson> Gimme a G! G! You got your G, you got your G! Gimme a zero!
[02:53] <G0SUB> hehe
[02:53] <dolson> G0000000000000 SUB!!
[02:53] <G0SUB> dolson you are a c00l dude :)
[02:53] <dolson> you don't know me that well, heh
[02:54] <freeflying> wow , anyone will help me for MOTU ,hehe
[02:55] <crimsun> freeflying: is that a question?
[02:55] <freeflying> crimsun: ya
[02:56] <freeflying> crimsun: hope can do more with you MOTUs
[02:56] <crimsun> freeflying: certainly
[02:56] <raphink> :)
[02:56] <freeflying> crimsun: so I just wonder shat shall do , hehe
[03:08] <dolson> congrats G0SUB. I told you :)
[03:09] <dolson> dholbach is here!
[03:09] <dholbach> hi dolson
[03:09] <dolson> dholbach: I had hoped you would be at the CC meeting to vouch for me
[03:09] <dolson> but you were offline
[03:09] <dolson> and I didn't get in :(
[03:09] <dolson> maybe next time
[03:10] <dholbach> sorry, we were at lunch
[03:10] <crimsun> dolson: what's holding you back?
[03:10] <dolson> dholbach: just kidding, hahah! I am in :)
[03:10] <crimsun> hah
[03:11] <dholbach> hi crimsun and everybody else
[03:11] <dolson> (I hope he has a sense of humor)
[03:11] <G0SUB> dolson thanks!
[03:11] <crimsun> hi daniel :)
[03:13] <crimsun> 'night Yagisan
[03:13] <dolson> I think I'll go to bed too. It is after 9am, and I had about a half hour of sleep
[03:41] <ArmeBosse> any motu for kvpnc and klibido ?
[03:41] <ArmeBosse> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2117
[03:42] <ArmeBosse> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2118
[03:43] <ArmeBosse> logcpp too ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2066
[03:51] <nomed> dholbach, ping
[03:51] <dholbach> nomed: pong
[03:52] <nomed> dholbach, do u think it will be possible to have tango icons in main ?
[03:52] <crimsun> ...there are already.
[03:52] <nomed> since ?
[03:52] <nomed> :/
[03:53] <crimsun> Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:24:47 +0200
[03:54] <crimsun> that is, zcat /usr/share/doc/tango-icon-theme/changelog.Debian.gz|tail -2 |awk -F'>' '{ print $2 }'
[03:54] <dholbach> nomed: we're already having an icon discussion over here, and we're going to use the tango icon set in an altered way - I think we don't need the same set of icons in main "twice"
[03:55] <crimsun> oh, I completely misparsed that, way to go me
[03:55] <dholbach> we already tried to make the amount of packages in main smaller, as 'main' means 'supported by canonical' and it means '3 years of fixes for the desktop'
[03:55] <dholbach> so there are always more things than "it'd be nice to have it" to consider :/
[03:55] <nomed> dholbach, why not Inherit=Tango in ubuntu icons ?
[03:55] <nomed> dholbach, i understand ...
[03:56] <nomed> it 's because we'll discuss about xubuntu icons this evening
[03:56] <nomed> and my idea was to Inherit=Tango in xubuntu-icon-theme
[03:57] <dholbach> nomed: we're already having an icon discussion over here, and we're going to use the tango icon set in an altered way - I think we don't need the same set of icons in main "twice"
[03:58] <dholbach> we already tried to make the amount of packages in main smaller, as 'main' means 'supported by canonical' and it means '3 years of fixes for the desktop'
[03:58] <dholbach> so there are always more things than "it'd be nice to have it" to consider :/
[03:58] <nomed> ok
[03:59] <ogra> note also that we already make huge concessions for xubuntu ...
[03:59] <ogra> i wasnt eager to keep xscreensaver in main ...
[04:00] <nomed> ogra, yes i understand
[04:01] <ogra> (only one example )
[04:01] <ogra> we once had a policy to not duplicate apps in main ...
[04:02] <ogra> buut i understand why xubuntu doesnt want gnome-screensaver
[04:05] <Mithrandir> xscreensaver is a fair bit more mature than g-ss, IMO
[04:06] <ogra> power management will be a problem with it now
[04:06] <ogra> and i dont agree that its more mature if i look at integration
[04:06] <ogra> i neither agree about the implementation ....
[04:07] <ogra> but xss is more feature complete, thats for sure ...
[04:07] <ogra> (as you would expect for a >20year old software)
[04:07] <Mithrandir> xss doesn't lock my screen every five minute when resuming, for instance. :-P
[04:07] <ogra> Mithrandir, thats a g-p-m bug
[04:08] <ogra> it needs to talk to g-s-s to determine activity
[04:08] <ogra> else it will call dpms off ...
[04:08] <Mithrandir> strange that it happens without g-p-m running, then?
[04:08] <Mithrandir> it's not dpms, it's _locking_ the screen.  The screen is definitively on.
[04:10] <ogra> hmm, i wonder whats so special bout your install then ... i dont see it anywhere and have no further bugs about it ... the only thing that comes up moore often is g-p-m using dpms while it shouldnt
[04:10] <Mithrandir> it's just half of dbus dying on suspend and resume and apps not coping.
[04:11] <ogra> but why is dbus dying ?
[04:11] <Mithrandir> just a bunch of the apps.
[04:11] <Mithrandir> no idea why
[04:12] <Mithrandir> it's not relevant, really.  g-ss should cope with g-p-m going away.
[04:12] <ogra> ah, so its not g-s-s alone
[04:12] <ogra> yup, i agree ...
[04:12] <Mithrandir> I haven't debugged it, but that's my guess, yes.
[04:13] <ogra> my probblem is really the big discrepancy in respondability between the two upstreams ... hughsie is really fast with his fixes to g-p-m .... g-s-s upstream bugs get rejected first, then discussed on the list etc etc ...
[04:19] <freeflying> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/log4cpp-0602262010/log4cpp-0.3.4b/debian/liblog4cpp3-dev.install
[04:19] <freeflying> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/log4cpp-0602262010/log4cpp-0.3.4b/debian/liblog4cpp3-dev.dirs
[04:19] <freeflying> ogra: hi
[04:20] <freeflying> why these two file's content are not the same  ?
[04:20] <raphink> freeflying: well dirs contain the dirs to be created for the package, and install where to install the files in the system
[04:20] <raphink> freeflying: you were telling me about the .files though
[04:21] <freeflying> raphink: ya, my fault
[04:22] <freeflying> raphink: but why dose he use .install and .files in one package ?
[04:22] <raphink> can you give the url to the .files please?
[04:23] <freeflying> raphink: I mean in the same package , why some binary use .install and others use .files ?
[04:23] <raphink> ah?
[04:23] <raphink> doesn't matter
[04:23] <raphink> it's better to use the same standards for homogeneity
[04:23] <raphink> imo
[04:23] <ArmeBosse> freeflying: cleanup mistake, files isn't needed anymor
[04:23] <ArmeBosse> files was probably used in 0.2.8
[04:24] <freeflying> ArmeBosse: this is package already in debain ?
[04:24] <ArmeBosse> yes
[04:24] <freeflying> ArmeBosse: so you sync or merge it ?
[04:25] <ArmeBosse> merge
[04:25] <ArmeBosse> why ?
[04:25] <freeflying> ArmeBosse: how about use merge from debian in your changelog ?
[04:26] <ArmeBosse> instead of : Initial Ubuntu release based on Debian package
[04:27] <ArmeBosse> sync is applicable too in this case ?
[04:28] <ogra> ubuntu already has liblog4cpp ...
[04:29] <ogra> (so it cant be "Initial Ubuntu release")
[04:29] <ArmeBosse> yep right
[04:30] <freeflying> Amaranth: in kvpnc, why do you use kvpnc.links ?
[04:30] <Amaranth> what?
[04:30] <ArmeBosse> better ? : Sync with debian package
[04:31] <ArmeBosse> freeflying: cdbs do it ?
[04:31] <Amaranth> i haven't touched kvpnc
[04:31] <ogra> and its a cxx transition i bet
[04:31] <ArmeBosse> Amaranth: ArmeBosse ;)
[04:31] <freeflying> ArmeBosse: sure cdbs can do it in your rules
[04:31] <ogra> Amaranth, but why ? its always been there ... you *could* have touched it already :P
[04:31] <freeflying> Amaranth: sorrry ?
[04:32] <ArmeBosse> heh
[04:32] <Amaranth> ogra: it starts with a k :P
[04:32] <ogra> hehe
[04:32] <ogra> :)
[04:34] <freeflying> ogra: we'd advocate edubuntu in china, but firstly you'd help me on packageing  :)
[04:35] <ogra> heh
[04:35] <ogra> :)
[04:36] <freeflying> ogra: don't just laugh  :)
[04:37] <ArmeBosse> raphink: i need libtool in build-dep because i use it in rules
[04:37] <raphink> ah ok ArmeBosse then good
[04:37] <ArmeBosse> i need to update changelog ..
[04:38] <ogra> freeflying, i'm not laughing about you, it was the  sound of happiness about edubuntu promotion coming out of my mounth :)
[04:38] <freeflying> ArmeBosse: in klibido , only one binary package , why use a dirs
[04:38] <freeflying> ogra:  hehe
[04:39] <freeflying> ogra: but you'd solve the chinese fonts problem , anyway
[04:39] <ogra> i currently have space problems due to the chinese fonts ...
[04:40] <ogra> your two new packages are twice as big as the old four packages that were there
[04:40] <freeflying> ogra: how about give u new one
[04:40] <ogra> (which makes +1MB .... i only have 400k on the CD)
[04:41] <ArmeBosse> freeflying: see changelog ;) Converted to cdbs :) and i'm new user of cdbs
[04:42] <ArmeBosse> freeflying: i must drop dirs file ?
[04:42] <ogra> ArmeBosse, you took an existing debian package and changed the packaging system ?
[04:42] <freeflying> ArmeBosse: only one binary package at all
[04:43] <ArmeBosse> ogra: in debian and current ubuntu universe there's 0.2.4.1 and use debhelper
[04:43] <ArmeBosse> ogra: can't be done ?
[04:44] <ogra> ArmeBosse, yes, but its considered *very evil* to just channge someone else package completely ...
[04:44] <ogra> ArmeBosse, what doe the debina maintainer say about it ...
[04:44] <ogra> *debian
[04:44] <freeflying> ogra: but if the maintainer agree on , then can he do like yhis
[04:44] <ArmeBosse> ogra: ok, i'm not evil :) i can revert to debhelper
[04:44] <freeflying> s/yhis/this
[04:45] <ArmeBosse> ogra: i didn't asked debian maintainer ...
[04:45] <ogra> freeflying, sure, but its still a lot of work we have to carry around
[04:45] <ogra> ArmeBosse, what was wrong with the debhelper packaging ?
[04:45] <ArmeBosse> nothing special :) i'm playing with cdbs ATM ...
[04:46] <freeflying> ArmeBosse: imo, you'd remove the dir in debian dir
[04:47] <ogra> you should in any case understand debhelper to its deepst first ...
[04:48] <ArmeBosse> i need to learn cdbs for some team maintainance related work, so i started on real package
[04:48] <ArmeBosse> ogra: i already know debhelper, my previous packages were with it
[04:48] <ogra> ArmeBosse, fine then
[04:49] <ArmeBosse> ogra: it's not a problem to revert klibido to debhelper :)
[04:49] <raphink> I prefer cdbs though
[04:49] <raphink> it's easier to review and maintain
[04:49] <ogra> but dont take existing packages and change their packaging system we'll have to carry around the difference forever
[04:49] <freeflying> cdbs saves time and work for us
[04:49] <ArmeBosse> maintainance team = kde packaging related stuff ;)
[04:49] <raphink> ogra: sure
[04:49] <ogra> raphink, tons of useless overhad cdbs is ...
[04:50] <ogra> freeflying, but it doesnt give you any insight how to do packaging right
[04:50] <freeflying> ogra: ya
[04:51] <ogra> freeflying, i wouldnt approve any motu who doesnt know debhelper at all ...
[04:51] <ArmeBosse> ogra: can you please add this comment on the package, there's 3 package in review in the same time ... i need a track ;)
[04:51] <siretart> freeflying: cdbs can also cause major headaches in more complicated packages
[04:51] <ogra> ArmeBosse, i dont even have an account :)
[04:51] <ArmeBosse> heh
[04:51] <freeflying> siretart: but in simple stuff, it woks quickly at all :)
[04:52] <siretart> right
[04:53] <freeflying> ogra: I do hope you can solve the chinese fonts problem in dapper  :)
[05:04] <ArmeBosse> raphink: log4cpp changelog updated
[05:04] <ArmeBosse> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2120
[05:38] <Amaranth> gnome bug 313268
[05:38] <Ubugtu> gnome bug 313268 in gobject "Introspection namespace->file mapping, use gmodule instead of dlopen, etc.." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313268
[05:38] <Amaranth> neat
[05:49] <siretart> howdy dholbach
[05:52] <dholbach> hellas siretart
[05:52] <chillywilly> why does /proc/cpuinfo show my amd athon64 3400+ w/ a clock speed of only 1GHz?
[05:52] <chillywilly> in dapper
[05:53] <chillywilly> kernel 2.6.15-17-amd64-k8
[05:53] <chillywilly> cpu MHz         : 999.917
[05:53] <siretart> dholbach: could you please have a look at the the seahorse uvf request? I prepared a package which works for me and I'd like to upload it
[05:53] <chillywilly> I don't think that is correct
[05:53] <dholbach> siretart: 0.9.0?
[05:53] <siretart> chillywilly: because powernowd scales your processor down to 1ghz. this is cool and quiet
[05:53] <siretart> dholbach: no, 0.8.1
[05:54] <dholbach> siretart: what about 0.9?
[05:54] <siretart> I attached both diffstats, also for 0.9
[05:54] <dholbach> righto
[05:54] <siretart> dholbach: slomo and I have agreed that we will prepare test packages for public testing first. the new features look interesting, but they are quite invasive
[05:54] <dholbach> i see
[05:55] <ogra> chillywilly, sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-$(uname -r) && apt-get source -b ... then wait 5 min and cat /proc/cpuinfo .... see, it helps :)
[05:55] <siretart> but 0.8.1 seems pretty safe and fixes most (if not all) problems in seahorse/dapper
[05:56] <chillywilly> ogra: what is that exactly doing? building a new kernel?
[05:56] <ogra> heh, yes
[05:56] <ogra> giving your CPU some work to do ...
[05:56] <chillywilly> ic
[05:57] <ogra> powernowd scales the cpu speed dynamically according to the load
[05:57] <chillywilly> so it dynamically scales it
[05:57] <siretart> you may also start up some bigger applications like openoffice or something
[05:57] <siretart> chillywilly: yes, see the manpage
[05:58] <chillywilly> nifty
[06:28] <phanatic> hi Seveas
[06:28] <Seveas> hi
[06:28] <phanatic> Seveas: i'd like to ask you to put me on the "wanna-cloak" list :)
[06:29] <Seveas> sure
[06:29] <phanatic> thanks
[06:29] <Seveas> what was your real name again?
[06:29] <LaserJock> netzmeister: Gueten Morgen
[06:30] <phanatic> Seveas: Szilveszter Farkas
[06:30] <Seveas> ok, you're on the list
[06:31] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  no, its not morning..
[06:31] <netzmeister> ;-)
[06:31] <netzmeister> we've half past six ;-)
[06:41] <LaserJock> it is here though ;-)
[07:30] <toma> can someone close the revu request at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1930 ? It can be removed, because it will be synced from debian now that the uvf exception is confirmed. I dont have a login to do it myself.
[07:40] <phanatic> hi G0SUB
[07:40] <G0SUB> phanatic :)
[07:40] <phanatic> i just want to congrat :)
[07:40] <phanatic> couldn't be there
[07:40] <phanatic> but i saw you did it :)
[07:40] <G0SUB> LaserJock thanks a lot for the testimonial ... helped a lot!
[07:40] <G0SUB> phanatic heh, thanks!
[07:44] <phanatic> raphink: sent you a mail
[07:48] <LaserJock> G0SUB: I read the irc log this morning, good work :-)
[07:48] <G0SUB> LaserJock I am indebted to you ...
[07:49] <G0SUB> LaserJock I will get to MOTU-Science as soon as I get some time ...
[07:50] <LaserJock> lol, just what I need, another slave to do my bidding ;-)
[07:50] <G0SUB> haha
[07:50] <LaserJock> G0SUB: do you have some background with scientific apps for linux?
[07:51] <G0SUB> LaserJock I don't understand
[07:51] <LaserJock> G0SUB: I'm interested in getting lists of scientific apps that are in Ubuntu
[07:51] <G0SUB> aah, that I can do ...
[07:52] <LaserJock> G0SUB: I have lists made up of the math, science, and tex sections but many apps are in other sections of the repo
[07:52] <G0SUB> i see
[07:52] <LaserJock> G0SUB: we need to get a list of those others
[07:52] <G0SUB> fine ... I will do an audit
[07:52] <LaserJock> G0SUB: that would be very helpful to me
[07:52] <G0SUB> I will do it
[07:53] <LaserJock> great, thanks
[07:53] <G0SUB> LaserJock any idea if there is a comprehensive list of packages in universe?
[07:53] <phanatic> G0SUB: apt-cache maybe? ;)
[07:53] <G0SUB> haha
[07:54] <phanatic> G0SUB: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is a nicer interface...
[07:55] <LaserJock> yeah, it won't be terribly trivial but once it is done we can subscribe to all those packages in Malone and track Debian and Ubuntu versions
[07:56] <G0SUB> fine ...
[08:11] <Xoritor> ok... so i have to apply some patches to something... again
[08:11] <Xoritor> heh
[08:11] <Xoritor> these are external patches, and in order to distribute the pristine sources as well as the patches how can i apply them et.al.
[08:13] <ArmeBosse> raphink: log4cpp, klibido and kvpnc updated
[08:22] <LaserJock> Xoritor: how do you mean?
[08:22] <Xoritor> LaserJock, i want to apply the snortsam patches to snort (already rebuilding it to include prelude support)
[08:23] <Xoritor> including prelude support does not require patches (its part of snort)
[08:23] <LaserJock> Xoritor: ok
[08:23] <Xoritor> but snortsam requres patches
[08:23] <Xoritor> as it adds some things
[08:23] <Xoritor> not any requirements for building but some targets and what not
[08:24] <Xoritor> so i want to be able to give the pristine source (as the manual says to do)
[08:24] <Xoritor> and provide the snortsam patches (for those that want to build it themselves)
[08:24] <Xoritor> and so that I can give the changes upstream to the snort maintainer
[08:25] <Xoritor> once i have it all worked out
[08:25] <LaserJock> Xoritor: does it already use a patch system such as dpatch?
[08:25] <Xoritor> no it does its own thing
[08:25] <Xoritor> it has a patchsnort.sh that it uses
[08:27] <Xoritor> http://www.snortsam.net/
[08:27] <Xoritor> err...
[08:27] <Xoritor> http://www.snortsam.net/download.html
[08:27] <Xoritor> thats got the patch instructions on it...
[08:28] <Xoritor> ie... run sh patchsnort.sh snort-2.4.3
[08:28] <Xoritor> or whatever
[08:28] <Xoritor> then it does applies some patches and does alot of seds
[08:29] <Xoritor> s/does applies/applies/
[08:29] <LaserJock> so I guess you would want to replicate that with your patches
[08:29] <Xoritor> well what i was wanting to do is make sure i distribute a pristine source tree
[08:29] <Xoritor> is there a way to apply patches when building it?
[08:30] <Xoritor> how should paches be distributed?
[08:30] <Xoritor> external?
[08:30] <Xoritor> in the source tree?
[08:30] <Xoritor> should i just pre-patch it and name it snort-snortsam-2.4.3
[08:30] <Xoritor> or
[08:30] <Xoritor> ?
[08:31] <Xoritor> there are lots of things that COULD be done... im asking what the logical and acceptible practice is
[08:31] <LaserJock> well, I usually use dpatch to do that but if they aren't using it to start with ...
[08:32] <LaserJock> Xoritor: I suppose you could always email the maintainer and ask them for their preference
[08:33] <Xoritor> thats a good idea
[08:33] <Xoritor> i thought maybe there was a general concensus
[08:33] <Xoritor> ie... a "this is how everyone does it" type of thing
[08:34] <LaserJock> lol, consensus among Debian/Ubuntu devs?
[08:34] <Xoritor> better to ask and look stupid then get smarted than to blindly do and piss everyone off and have to re-do it
[08:34] <Xoritor> ;-)
[08:34] <Xoritor> heeh
[08:34] <Xoritor> heh
[08:34] <Xoritor> well... i notice snort, prelude, etc... are not built for ubuntu really at all
[08:34] <Xoritor> they are built for debain
[08:35] <Xoritor> and they have some "issues" when going to dapper
[08:35] <LaserJock> that is why I said Debian/Ubuntu ;-)
[08:37] <Xoritor> hehe
[08:58] <mat|l> hi there, is anyone taking care of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/straw/+bug/33956 ? it's confirmed, so it probably only needs to be built/uploaded
[08:58] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33956 in straw "UVF exception request (0.25.1 -> 0.26)" [Normal,Needs info] 
[09:05] <phanatic> hi rraphink :)
[09:31] <herzi_x41> can any1 tell me how to add diversions to a package? neither google nor ubuntu wiki do help me much (if i only knew a small package that uses diversions)
[09:55] <LaserJock> herzi_x41: what doo  you mean by diversions exactly?
[09:55] <herzi> when a file wants to override a file from another package
[09:56] <LaserJock> have you tried the Debian Policy manual?
[09:57] <herzi> i found a link to the "debian packaging guide" but that doesn't exist anymore
[09:58] <LaserJock> http://www.debian.org/devel/ has several packaging related docs
[09:59] <LaserJock> but in general I don't think it is ok to have files that override files from another package
[09:59] <herzi> i found it, thanks
[09:59] <herzi> oh it is better than overwriting files locally
[10:00] <LaserJock> mat|l: have you got an answer yet?
[10:00] <mat|l> LaserJock: about what? ontv ? no
[10:01] <LaserJock> "hi there, is anyone taking care of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/straw/+bug/33956 ? it's confirmed, so it probably only needs to be built/uploaded"
[10:01] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33956 in straw "UVF exception request (0.25.1 -> 0.26)" [Normal,Needs info] 
[10:01] <herzi> LaserJock: e.g. i have a very new i810 driver on my notebook, i need to overwrite i810_drv.so from xserver-xorg-driver-i810 libshadow.so from xserver-xorg-code and i915_dri.so from libgl1-mesa-dri so I can update my system and everything will still work well and quickly
[10:02] <mat|l> LaserJock: nothing yet :)
[10:03] <LaserJock> mat|l: I think Daniel Holbach (dholbach) will take care of it. He handles the UVF exceptions primarily.
[10:03] <mat|l> ok, I was just asking here because there hasn't been any activity on that bug for the last few days
[10:04] <mat|l> and I had some free time to test the new version since I'm a ontv lover :)
[10:04] <LaserJock> you sure you got the right bug?
[10:05] <mat|l> eerr, actually I didn't
[10:05] <mat|l> good catch :)
[10:05] <mat|l> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ontv/+bug/33441
[10:05] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33441 in ontv "UVF exception 1.6.2 -> 1.8.6" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[10:06] <mat|l> this is the one I was talking about, sorry about the confusion
[10:06] <mat|l> I'd love to see a new straw too but that's a different thing :)
[10:07] <LaserJock> mat|l: no problem, I think it should be in the pipeline. We are waiting for a lot of stuff to get through the queues right now
[10:07] <mat|l> ok
[10:08] <LaserJock> mat|l: if Daniel and Reinhard are on it then it'll get done :-)
[10:20] <LaserJock> hi minghua and marcin`
[10:20] <minghua> good afternoon LaserJock
[10:23] <G0SUB> minghua :)
[10:25] <minghua> hi G0SUB, how did the CC meeting went?
[10:25] <G0SUB> minghua awesome ... I passed! so did my LoCo Team
[10:25] <minghua> G0SUB: glad to hear that, congrats!
[10:26] <LaserJock> yeah, so the Indian and Chinese LoCo teams did pretty well at the CC meeting (from looking at the irc logs)
[10:27] <G0SUB> minghua why does the debian NM process take so long? can't we make it a bit more faster?
[10:27] <G0SUB> LaserJock heh, we did
[10:27] <minghua> G0SUB: the Debian NM is actually equivalent to Ubuntu member + developer, so you can imagine the requirement is higher
[10:28] <G0SUB> minghua requirement is okay ... but the AM appointment itself takes a long time
[10:28] <minghua> G0SUB: and in Debian there is this legal issue, i.e., you need to be able to tell what software is free, besides the technical skills
[10:28] <G0SUB> minghua i am aware of that ...
[10:29] <minghua> G0SUB: I believe it's equally hard to get the core-dev status in ubuntu
[10:29] <G0SUB> in Ubuntu you can become a member one day and a MOTU the next day
[10:29] <minghua> and Debian people don't have as much time as Ubuntu people for evaluating new members, I suppose
[10:29] <G0SUB> possible
[10:30] <LaserJock> G0SUB: also since our development is faster, you get to see a broader range of issues faster
[10:30] <G0SUB> LaserJock I agree
[10:30] <LaserJock> but when you consider that in essence a DD is roughly equal to a core dev the time isn't that different
[10:31] <G0SUB> LaserJock but you have to realise that the DD process itself is much shorter than the time taken in appointing sombody to do the checking, etc.
[10:32] <G0SUB> for example, I have applied a month back ... and I have an advocate ... still no AM appointed
[10:33] <G0SUB> if an AM was appointed within a week, then I would have gone through at least half the process
[10:33] <LaserJock> well, you have to realize there are ~1000 DDs and aout ~50 Ubuntu devs so it is easier in Ubuntu because of the smaller numbers
[10:33] <G0SUB> again, that's also possible
[10:33] <G0SUB> but many DDs are also in a dormant state or are MIA
[10:33] <LaserJock> I agree that it would be nice if some of the "paperwork" type issues in the DD process went faster, although I haven't done it myself so I don't know for sure
[10:33] <G0SUB> so the number of active DDs would be far less
[10:34] <G0SUB> just look at this list https://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php
[10:34] <Kyral> hmm
[10:35] <Kyral> okay, people feel free to peg me with package requests for Next Week
[10:35] <Kyral> I'll be bored :D
[10:35] <G0SUB> heh
[10:35] <Kyral> I already have Kerry on my list
[10:36] <Kyral> I'm thinking of combining a bunch of Konqueror Service Menus from KDE-Apps into one big package
[10:37] <G0SUB> btw, do Ubuntu members get shell accounts like people.ubuntu.com/~username ?
[10:37] <Kyral> I dunno
[10:37] <G0SUB> ok
[10:40] <Kyral> Dangit, I should talk to Riddell about if I'm allowed to put things in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-profile/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[10:40] <LaserJock> G0SUB: no they don't.
[10:41] <G0SUB> LaserJock I have seen some people .... or are they MOTUs?
[10:41] <LaserJock> G0SUB: I think those might be either Canonical employees or core devs
[10:41] <LaserJock> MOTUs don't either I don't think
[10:41] <G0SUB> LaserJock core-devs ... Seveas told me
[10:42] <LaserJock> G0SUB: then you'll have to work on that ;-)
[10:42] <G0SUB> LaserJock I will :)
[11:20] <LaserJock> hi crimsun
[11:20] <Xoritor> yay
[11:20] <Xoritor> yay
[11:20] <Xoritor> yay
[11:21] <Xoritor> hip hip hooray!
[11:21] <Xoritor> sorry
[11:21] <Xoritor> i like it when things work
[11:21] <Xoritor> LaserJock, thanks for all of your help... i have learned a lot
[11:21] <crimsun> hi LaserJock
[11:21] <LaserJock> Xoritor: well, I don't know that I helped all that much
[11:22] <Xoritor> LaserJock, you and azeem really did help me more than you know
[11:22] <Xoritor> LaserJock, lots of logic things and small tips, pointers to docs... an encouraging word... etc
[11:24] <Xoritor> let me say that the snort package is not for the faint of heart ;-)
[11:24] <Xoritor> heh
[11:24] <Xoritor> but i have never been faint of heart
[11:26] <LaserJock> Xoritor: well, I'm glad I could help
[11:31] <Xoritor> and tonight i will be doing my first 100% complete from scratch not existing anywhere that i have found package
[11:31] <Xoritor> heh
[11:35] <LaserJock> Xoritor: cool
[11:35] <Xoritor> ever played with snortsam?