[12:53] <iGotNoTime> can a debian compiled application run on edubuntu?
[12:54] <iGotNoTime> Fedora ?
[12:54] <iGotNoTime> Suse?
[12:54] <Burgwork> iGotNoTime, maybe
[12:54] <iGotNoTime> how do I try?
[12:54] <Burgwork> if it just compiled, it might
[12:54] <Burgwork> if it is packaged, you should be able to install it if it is debian
[12:54] <iGotNoTime> well i don't know how to tell
[12:55] <Burgwork> do you have a .rpm or a .deb?
[12:55] <iGotNoTime> .deb yes
[12:55] <Burgwork> of which program?
[12:55] <iGotNoTime> deb and rpm both are available
[12:56] <iGotNoTime> a SIP phone
[12:56] <iGotNoTime> http://www.gizmoproject.com/download-linux.html
[12:56] <iGotNoTime> I have $60 remaining and would like to keep it
[12:56] <iGotNoTime> that is almost 2 years of phone service for me
[12:56] <Burgwork> are you running 5.10?
[12:56] <iGotNoTime> yes I am
[12:57] <iGotNoTime> I am a fresh user today :P
[12:57] <iGotNoTime> 12 hours old :)
[12:58] <Burgwork> you don't need gizmo to talk sip
[12:58] <Burgwork> linphone is packaged and in universe
[12:59] <iGotNoTime> Linphone is not accepting my login and kphone is adding a variable to the first few characters of my URI
[12:59] <iGotNoTime> it will work fine for straight SIP
[12:59] <iGotNoTime> but I want to call standard PSTN lines
[12:59] <iGotNoTime> using my login
[12:59] <Burgwork> hmm
[01:02] <Burgwork> you can try downloading the deb
[02:59] <bobulator> anyopne got any idea why a thin wouldnt be picking up the dhcp?
[03:00] <bobulator> cant think of anyhitng...
[03:05] <bobulator> im certain its not the cables :(
[03:05] <Burgundavia> bobulator: do you have enough addresses to be leased out?
[03:05] <bobulator> yup
[03:05] <bobulator> only got one other thin going
[03:05] <Burgundavia> might it be hardware?
[03:05] <bobulator> hmm
[03:05] <bobulator> what could be wrong?
[03:06] <Burgundavia> no idea, welcome to the joy of debugging network issues
[03:06] <bobulator> haha
[03:06] <Burgundavia> there are just so many variables
[03:06] <bobulator> well theres only a net card, gfx card in there
[03:06] <bobulator> maybe i just try a diff net card?
[03:08] <Burgundavia> having never setup an edubuntu server, there may be something basic I am missing, but try that
[03:08] <Burgundavia> also try booting the two in the opposite order
[03:09] <bobulator> k
[03:09] <bobulator> it doesnt seem like theres that much to go wrong...
[03:09] <Burgundavia> heh
[03:11] <bobulator> hmm the new ip address pops up in arp
[03:11] <bobulator> it just doesnt seem to like it
[03:12] <bobulator> ok ill try booting them in the other order, brb!
[03:17] <bobulator> hmm no luck
[03:19] <bobulator> just a random mobo or gfx crd incompatibility?
[03:19] <bobulator> cant even think what else there is to go wrong
[03:20] <Burgundavia> if it still doesn't boot, I suspect the thin client
[03:22] <bobulator> yeah but what bit of it? there doesnt seem to be anything to go wrong :p
[03:23] <Burgundavia> hmm, try another network card
[03:24] <bobulator> did that
[03:24] <bobulator> i think theyre all the same tho
[03:24] <Burgundavia> is the hardware identical?
[03:24] <bobulator> nooo wayy
[03:25] <bobulator> all random tat from all over the place
[03:25] <Burgundavia> do you have a third thin client to confirm that you can indeed boot two off the server?
[03:26] <bobulator> we have had 3 up before
[03:26] <Burgundavia> ok, just confirming
[03:26] <bobulator> s coo l:0
[03:26] <bobulator> :)
[03:30] <bobulator> boot proot=pxe, pnp/bev boot=disable, default boot=network, local boot=disable, prompt time=2, setup message=enable, everything sound ok there?
[03:30] <bobulator> anything in the bios i could mess with?
[03:31] <bobulator> ooh hang on the server isnt recieving the mac address
[03:40] <bobulator> hmm according to the net the error means it cant get a valid filename
[03:40] <bobulator> how can i look at my pxe boot settings for where to get the image from?
[03:41] <Burgundavia> sorry, no idea
[03:41] <bobulator> s ok :(
[03:50] <bobulator> argh this makes no sense
[03:51] <bobulator> am i daft enough to try changing the motherboard at 3 in the morning?
[04:06] <bobulator> argh and on this one it shows up the boot agent thing and then doesnt even *try* to boot
[04:06] <bobulator> *cries*
[05:36] <Burgundavia> salut highvoltage
[05:39] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: salut!
[05:44] <Adalwulf> Howdy all! Is there any Internet Content Filtering in edubuntu?
[05:44] <Burgundavia> Adalwulf: not currently packaged
[05:45] <Adalwulf> So we have to install fromsomewhere outside of the repositories?
[05:47] <Burgundavia> currently yes
[05:49] <Adalwulf> Do you recommend anything? I'm leaning towards Dan's Guardian. I like the name(it rhymes with Asgardian).
[05:54] <Burgundavia> ogra is leaning towards Willow, which is bayesian
[05:56] <Adalwulf> I guess I'll go with Willow then. Thanx Burgundavia.
[05:56] <Adalwulf> Wait. I thought that Willow linked to non-GPL libraries.
[05:57] <Adalwulf> Maybe it was just the frontend.
[05:59] <Burgundavia> http://www.digitallumber.net/software/willow/
[06:06] <Adalwulf> Thanx.
[06:53] <highvoltage> hehe. seems like there's an ogra, an oger and an ogar on the ubuntu channels :)
[08:00] <jsgotangco> hiya JaneW 
[08:00] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[08:00] <JaneW> go something for me to proof read - my inbox is under control. \0/
[08:01] <JaneW> :))
[08:01] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:01] <jsgotangco> when i get home
[08:02] <JaneW> oic, enjoy and good luck
[08:02] <jsgotangco> the wireless here is pretty bad
[08:02] <highvoltage> hi JaneW. where in the world are you atm?
[08:02] <jsgotangco> hopefully not swimming
[08:03] <JaneW> highvoltage: Rondebosch, Cape Town
[08:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: how was the weather on Monday!? I even took a photo of my thermometer, and blogged about it.
[08:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: got some new site stuff for me to see?
[08:06] <highvoltage> JaneW: the drupal site is installed at proto.edubuntu.org
[08:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: i can mail you the passwords, let me just look up your gpg key on launchpad...
[08:07] <jsgotangco> wow JaneW has a gpg key????
[08:07] <JaneW> I do :P
[08:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: there's not much to see yet, it's a clean installation, and znarl needs to arrange a login for me so that i can install the theme
[08:07] <jsgotangco> and who was that girl who said keysignings are weird in sydney
[08:07] <Burgundavia> see, geekism is infectious
[08:07] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it's a requirement to sign the CoC
[08:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: they are pretty darn funny to watch!
[08:08] <JaneW> Burgundavia: nod, yes I am becoming more and more geeky *grin*
[08:08] <jsgotangco> there wasn't a super keysigning during UBZ?
[08:08] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: there was a small one, I wasn't there
[08:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I got my key near the end
[08:09] <jsgotangco> that kinda sucked
[08:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: but I am in fabbione's key ring (is that the right lingo?) so I am pretty sorted! ;)
[08:10] <jsgotangco> oh we're connected then
[08:12] <jsgotangco> http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/857A8BE5.html
[08:12] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:13] <jsgotangco> http://webware.lysator.liu.se/jc/wotsap/wots/latest/paths/0x9E379FC6-0x857A8BE5.png
[08:21] <JaneW> wow fabbio is an internet slut ;)
[08:21] <JaneW> I am sure I signed with ogra too...
[08:22] <JaneW> that was my first attempt, I must have botched it
[08:22] <Burgundavia> s/internet//
[08:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: our international access sux here atm, i'll get that to you a bit later
[08:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: i haven't signed with anyone yet, perhaps we can sign with each other?
[08:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: sure... does that mean I have to drag my passport in there? ;)
[08:24] <jsgotangco> JaneW only has 4 cross signatures but her ranking is already 4,000+
[08:24] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:24] <highvoltage> JaneW: might as well, i don't mind following procedure :P
[08:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: what can I say, I know who to 'connect' with ;)
[08:24] <jsgotangco> connections really matter
[08:24] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:25] <jsgotangco> you could have bugged lamont too
[08:25] <jsgotangco> or anyone on the top 100
[08:27] <jsgotangco> a friend of mine had his key signed by mark, that didnt affect his rank too much heh
[08:27] <jsgotangco> but get your key signed by lamont or fabbione you're in the biz
[08:29] <jsgotangco> JaneW, happy women's day
[08:29] <JaneW> jsgotangco: that's on 9 August here :P
[08:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco:  but I'll happily accept another one - do I get the day off? ;)
[08:33] <jsgotangco> my respect is enough
[08:33] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:37] <JaneW> anyone want to help me guess at home many edubuntu users we have?
[10:38] <JaneW> home=how
[10:38] <JaneW> can we see how many times the ISO has been downloaded?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> JaneW: the website logs should tell you
[10:50] <highvoltage> judging by the feedback from the mailing list and on irc, a few thousand sounds just about right
[10:50] <Burgundavia> probably, though I honestly that that is conservative
[10:51] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i think so too, but i wouldn't want to inflate
[10:51] <JaneW> I was hoping for more, but without any way to verify that 'felt' right, but I think it's conservative too
[10:52] <JaneW> if we can see how many d/ls there have been we should get a more accurate measurement
[10:52] <highvoltage> JaneW: do you have to give one number?
[10:52] <JaneW> highvoltage: that's how I gauged from blogs, articles, mailing list etc
[10:52] <JaneW> highvoltage: no I had to give rough estimate
[10:52] <highvoltage> JaneW: it might be better to say we have x amount mailing list subscribers, x amount downloads, etc
[10:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: is this for an internal or external report?
[10:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: not a bad approach
[10:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: silbs has asked
[10:53] <JaneW> we are still climbing on distrowatch, which is a good sign
[10:53] <highvoltage> if it's external, i will be justified in an optimistic view
[10:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: we are also preparing to install edubuntu in all the tuxlabs, that will be happening from April. that will be another +/- 200 000 users :)
[10:54] <JaneW> highvoltage: w00t \o/
[10:54] <JaneW> wow, tuXlabs has grown a lot!
[10:55] <highvoltage> our skubuntu installation is kind of like an old fasioned edubuntu, except that there are some technical differences, for all practical purposes, you might as well count them as edubuntu labs, as far as i'm concerned.
[10:55] <highvoltage> yep, 200 schools at an average of 1000 learners + teachers per school.
[11:06] <JaneW> *clap clap*
[11:18] <highvoltage> if the kids and rainbow were smaller, and there were more plain background, then it wouldn't really be that bad.
[11:19] <highvoltage> i'm not suggesting it for wallpaper, but is there an SVG available somewhere?
[11:20] <JaneW> I agree it is cute, and if it were a bit subtler (as you say) it could work
[11:20] <JaneW> and it's diversity sensitive! :P
[11:20] <JaneW> I have an e-mail address for the guy
[11:22] <JaneW> it was done by https://launchpad.net/people/toxictoadz
[11:25] <highvoltage> ah, thanks
[11:35] <JaneW> http://www.flickr.com/photos/terencewong/109523314/
[12:14] <mhz> Hi All, edubunteros!!
[12:25] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 35 mins
[12:54] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 mins
[12:54] <JaneW> time to pee/smoke/get coffee/walk dog/stretch etc
[12:56] <pips1> sorry, can't make the meeting today :-/
[12:56] <pips1> I'll read the logs
[12:56] <pips1> cu
[02:11] <iGotNoTime> I had a very embarassing meeting lastnight for work :(
[02:11] <iGotNoTime> I forwarded my SIP to my home phone (the batterry on my cordless was dead though) so had to get online for the meeting
[02:12] <iGotNoTime> Then I couldn't find a SIP softphone and install fast enough so the other guy mentioned Skype
[02:12] <iGotNoTime> Same issue with Skype :(
[02:12] <iGotNoTime> so he suggested Google Talk, which is not available for Linux
[02:13] <iGotNoTime> I ended up booting XP, rushing to install skype
[02:13] <iGotNoTime> ashamed and very late
[02:14] <iGotNoTime> So how was our night's?
[02:14] <iGotNoTime> LOL
[02:16] <iGotNoTime> ogra : morning sir :)
[02:18] <highvoltage> PS: this is some of the stuff our help desk put together: http://jonathancarter.ossn.co.za/files/tuXlabHowTos.tgz
[02:19] <highvoltage> very basic stuff, don't expect much!
[02:20] <highvoltage> ok bye!
[02:26] <JaneW> http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=edubuntu <- Edubuntu Screencasts
[02:28] <ogra> to sad i have no machine i can view that on
[02:28] <iGotNoTime> what way is it limited ?
[02:29] <iGotNoTime> or are you command line only?
[02:29] <mhz> bye all
[02:29] <ogra> no flash for linux powerpc or linux amd64 ...
[02:29] <ogra> i currently have on i386 around
[02:29] <ogra> *no
[02:29] <iGotNoTime> none for amd64 ??!!
[02:30] <ogra> macromediaq refuses to build one ...
[02:30] <iGotNoTime> ppc I can understand and excuse but amd 64 is disappointing
[02:30] <ogra> not much you can do apart from complaining at them
[02:30] <iGotNoTime> ya
[02:31] <iGotNoTime> I am happy to see a MAC guy who is not such a Hooray for Mac freak finally :D
[02:33] <ogra> i only have that ibook to build adn test edubuntu for powerpc ... :)
[03:30] <iGotNoTime> will packages that say KDE still work with edubuntu?
[03:30] <iGotNoTime> I want to try quanta
[03:30] <ogra> sure
[03:30] <iGotNoTime> excellent
[03:30] <ogra> you already have a handfull kde packages installed by default 
[03:30] <iGotNoTime> and I have a question about my repository list...
[03:31] <iGotNoTime> I edited out the commented areas of the source file
[03:31] <iGotNoTime> yet when I use synaptic to search for something as common as Skype I find nothing
[03:31] <iGotNoTime> so I think that universe or multiverse is messed up
[03:31] <iGotNoTime> how do I confirm?
[03:31] <ogra> skype is propriatary software
[03:32] <ogra> its not shippable, so not in the repos
[03:32] <iGotNoTime> but they have a .deb releasee
[03:32] <iGotNoTime> how do I load it?
[03:32] <iGotNoTime> I have the .deb on my desktop
[03:32] <ogra> sure, you cvan install the single deb manually if it was compiled for ubuntu
[03:32] <iGotNoTime> if if if lol
[03:32] <ogra> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb 
[03:33] <iGotNoTime> that is what I always loved :D:D
[03:33] <iGotNoTime> tried that, no good for me
[03:33] <iGotNoTime> perhaps some .deb will not work with us?
[03:33] <ogra> but really that only works for ubuntu compiled stuff ... dont use debian packages if you dont exactly know what you are doing
[03:33] <iGotNoTime> ok
[03:33] <iGotNoTime> so all unbuntu people can not use Skype basically?
[03:34] <ogra> many do ...
[03:34] <iGotNoTime> I don't like Skype no big loss for me, I just was in a pinch lastnight and needed it :P
[03:34] <ogra> i never touched it but i'm sure the wiki has a howto to install it
[03:34] <iGotNoTime> everyone says THE WIKI
[03:34] <iGotNoTime> does that mean our wiki?
[03:35] <ogra> wiki.edubuntu.org
[03:35] <iGotNoTime> ok just making sure :)
[03:35] <iGotNoTime> thanks again for the help :)
[03:35] <iGotNoTime> questions are getting fewer and fewer
[03:35] <ogra> (it uses same database as kubuntu.org ubuntu.com ... so the content is the same ;) )
[03:35] <iGotNoTime> ok
[03:36] <iGotNoTime> when I search with synaptic does it automatically search all sources in my source file? Or do I search one repositiry at a time manually selecting each?
[03:39] <ogra> it searches all available sources
[03:55] <pere> ogra: a edubuntu-related question.  do you know if the multiseat package in ubuntu is much used/tested?  how flexible is it with hardware configurations?
[03:56] <ogra> i pretty much suspect nobody used/tested it after hoary
[03:56] <ogra> it was a request from HP that we add it ... but i dont know if they actually use it
[04:15] <iGotNoTime> has anyone in here ever had issue with the terminal not working?
[04:16] <iGotNoTime> I need ssh acces and it was fine an hour ago
[04:16] <iGotNoTime> now I click terminal and starts to load, flashes up and disappears
[04:16] <iGotNoTime> something changed and I have not done anything but conversed on meebo.com
[04:18] <iGotNoTime> I will try the enhanced for gnome
[04:20] <iGotNoTime> enhanced needs the basic
[04:20] <iGotNoTime> it says the terminal application is no longer available!!
[04:22] <iGotNoTime> will try reboot
[04:27] <iGotNoTime> even after reboot still no terminal :(
[04:28] <iGotNoTime> it says "starting terminal" then flashes and it is gone
[04:28] <spacey> i had it sometimes don't remember when it occurred
[04:28] <spacey> try `xterm`
[04:28] <spacey> and start the gnome-terminal from there
[04:29] <spacey> then you can probably see why it exits unexpectedly
[04:29] <spacey> iGotNoTime: alt + F2
[04:29] <iGotNoTime> ok
[04:29] <spacey> en type xterm there
[04:30] <iGotNoTime> it says:
[04:31] <iGotNoTime> (gnome-terminal:9144):Gtk-CRITICAL **:gtk_accel_label_closure: assertion 'gtk_accel_group_closure (accel_closure) !=NULL' failed
[04:32] <iGotNoTime> can I access ssh through xterm?
[04:38] <iGotNoTime> ok I have ssh access through xterm, but gnome terminal is still fubar. I will be back for more. Right now I have to go fix sql things on one of our dedicated boxes
[04:38] <iGotNoTime> thanks so far spacey
[04:49] <spacey> gl
[04:57] <pere> ogra: ok.  thanks for the info.
[06:21] <jelkner> ogra: u here?
[06:23] <iGotNoTime> no conversation for quite some time
[06:24] <iGotNoTime> maybe working?
[06:26] <Burgwork> i don't work
[06:30] <jelkner> anyone here know anything about login problems on edubuntu?
[06:31] <jelkner> i'm here at the mtrainier library where we have a small edubuntu lab setup
[06:31] <jelkner> 2 clients
[06:31] <jelkner> i get regular calls (about twice a month) from the librarian telling me that the clients stopped permitting logins
[06:32] <jelkner> i wish i could solve this problem once and for all
[06:32] <jelkner> restarting the server seems to fix it
[06:32] <jelkner> but it comes back again
[06:58] <jelkner> ogra: u here?
[06:59] <highvoltage> jelkner: are you an educator at a school?
[07:01] <jelkner> highvoltage: yes
[07:01] <highvoltage> and you said "u"? you just made my day :)
[07:02] <highvoltage> (i had an english teacher get very angry at me once for doing that)
[07:04] <jelkner> highvoltage: english teachers are angry with us (geeks) for corrupting the language... oh well ;-)
[07:05] <highvoltage> jelkner: i take it you're not an english teacher then :)
[07:07] <jelkner> nope: computer science
[07:09] <jelkner> hightvoltage: i'm heading home, i'll talk to you later...
[07:31] <highvoltage> ogra: pingie
[08:11] <highvoltage> i suppose ogras need sleep too.
[08:41] <highvoltage> goodnight!
[08:51] <Petaris> Hello all
[08:52] <Petaris> ogra: How do you guys handle sound to the clients?
[08:56] <ogra> Petaris, esound 
[08:57] <ogra> i'm hoping to change to gstreamer at some point, esd was the simplest and fastest solution for now
[08:57] <Petaris> ogra: esd huh, do you know if there is a volume control for it at the client side?
[08:57] <Petaris> ok
[08:57] <Petaris> k12ltsp and sound sucks
[08:57] <ogra> nope, no volume control
[08:57] <Petaris> hrm
[08:57] <ogra> thats why i want either alsa directly or gstreamer in dapper+1 or +2
[08:58] <Petaris> I have users reporting different sound levels but I don't know why
[08:58] <Petaris> alsa?  How?
[08:58] <ogra> thats hardware related
[08:58] <ogra> we always set the volume to 80% in ubuntu ... 
[08:58] <Petaris> right, but the volume was set to 75 in ltsp.conf
[08:59] <Petaris> hrm
[08:59] <ogra> i have clients that burst your ears with 80% and i have others where you hear nothing at all
[08:59] <Petaris> er, lts.conf
[08:59] <Petaris> weird
[08:59] <Petaris> these clients are all the same too
[09:00] <ogra> hmm, strange
[09:01] <Petaris> they also complain about grabled audio
[09:01] <Petaris> it could be something fc3 is doing though
[09:01] <ogra> hmm, havent had this here
[09:01] <ogra> it can also be a network saturation
[09:02] <Petaris> If I could get some time with the server I could get it rebuilt
[09:02] <Petaris> server is gbit to the switches and 100mbit to the clients from there
[09:03] <Petaris> so it _shouldn't_ be saturation
[09:03] <ogra> should be fine ... 
[09:03] <ogra> but who knows :)
[09:03] <ogra> one guy doing file sharing to 5000 connections and your network dies ;)
[09:03] <Petaris> how were you thinking of using alsa directly
[09:04] <Petaris> not likly in an elementary school
[09:04] <ogra> no idea yet... its on my todo list to experiment with the different implementations for the next release ...
[09:05] <Petaris> when is the next release scheduled for?
[09:06] <Petaris> it would be handy to shove some of the overhead for multimedia to the clients
[09:06] <ogra> next is april, biut that one is frozen
[09:06] <Petaris> ahh
[09:07] <ogra> the one i'm talking about is the october release
[09:07] <Petaris> oh
[09:07] <crimsun> the easier solution would probably involve gst pipelines
[09:07] <ogra> the next six weeks i'm busy with getting the cd in shape 
[09:07] <ogra> crimsun, can i access the mixer through that ? 
[09:07] <Petaris> crimsun: gst?
[09:07] <ogra> i thought about gst pipelines
[09:07] <Petaris> gstreamer?
[09:07] <ogra> yep
[09:07] <crimsun> ogra: as in volume?
[09:07] <Petaris> ahh
[09:07] <ogra> yep
[09:08] <crimsun> ogra: I haven't found a way, but that certainly doesn't preclude one's existence
[09:08] <ogra> heh
[09:08] <Petaris> at this point anything will go as long as it works
[09:08] <ogra> me neither ...
[09:08] <ogra> esd normally works ok 
[09:08] <Petaris> I'm using esd
[09:08] <Petaris> :/
[09:09] <ogra> i talked to a guy with 400 thin clients in a net
[09:09] <Petaris> I couldn't get nasd to work at all
[09:09] <ogra> he had no probs at all
[09:09] <Petaris> wow
[09:09] <Petaris> how many in use at a time though?
[09:09] <Petaris> btw, there are some trouble softwares
[09:09] <ogra> i think he said something around 100-200 commonly
[09:09] <Petaris> tuxtype has major performance issues
[09:10] <ogra> (its a while ago, but he was the convincing factor for esd)
[09:10] <Petaris> in k12ltsp anyway
[09:10] <ogra> thats a tuxtype prob
[09:10] <ogra> we have this too
[09:10] <Petaris> right, but so you know
[09:10] <Petaris> it has to do with them redrawing the entire screen with every change
[09:10] <ogra> i will approach the upstzream author ...
[09:11] <ogra> and flying text that triggers a lot of changes :)
[09:11] <Petaris> yep
[09:11] <Petaris> if there was anyway to get ALSA to work directly with the clients that would be a very nice option
[09:12] <Petaris> already massive support for is
[09:12] <Petaris> s/is/it
[09:12] <crimsun> the problem with relying on ALSA directly would be wheel reinvention
[09:12] <Petaris> ?
[09:12] <ogra> yeah, but all ways to do that are ugly
[09:13] <Petaris> what about running it locally on the client?
[09:13] <ogra> i'd really love to solve the problem once and for all by finding a way to export the /dev directory in a sane way
[09:13] <Petaris> load it into the clients memmory and run it from there
[09:13] <Petaris> hrm
[09:14] <ogra> i still need a network interconnect ...
[09:14] <ogra> just loading it doesnt suffic :)
[09:14] <ogra> e
[09:15] <Petaris> hrm
[09:16] <Petaris> http://www.edu.helsinki.fi/atk/ltsp_kiosk/
[09:17] <ogra> heh, i have this implemented locally :)
[09:17] <Petaris> really?
[09:17] <ogra> ubuntu based 
[09:17] <ogra> i want to introduce it as an option in a future release 
[09:18] <ogra> but before...
[09:18] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[09:19] <ogra> ltsp in kiosk mode is *very* cool ...
[09:19] <ogra> with the ubuntu ltsp you wont need X on the server ...
[09:19] <Petaris> nice
[09:19] <ogra> so the server install only needs firefox and the common ltsp stuff
[09:20] <ogra> it doesnt need much memory ...
[09:20] <ogra> so you can run a completel library with 10-20 clients from a standard discount PC :)
[09:20] <Petaris> I would also off load firefox, openoffice, and maybe multimedia
[09:20] <Petaris> cool
[09:21] <ogra> what i have is just running an autologin and starting firefox fullscreen
[09:21] <Petaris> hrm
[09:21] <ogra> but thats enough for most librarys or internet cafes
[09:21] <Petaris> I would want to push xfce out to it
[09:21] <Petaris> yeah, I need more stuff for a school
[09:21] <ogra> then you need more space and need to lock down xfce etc etc
[09:21] <Petaris> OO.o is a must
[09:22] <Petaris> does this require space on the clients?
[09:22] <Petaris> or does it just use the nfs mount?
[09:22] <ogra> so i'd go with a normal gnome desktop in kiosk mode ... sabayon is a really cool rights management tool
[09:22] <ogra> it uses the nfs root as every ltsp ...
[09:23] <Petaris> xfce eats less resources then gnome
[09:23] <ogra> true
[09:23] <ogra> but is missing tools like sabayon and pessulus
[09:24] <Burgwork> sabaylon and pessulus are very very cool
[09:25] <ogra> yup
[09:26] <Burgwork> the only question I have is with deploying sabayon
[09:26] <Petaris> could dev be created localy on the client and use symliks or nfs mounts to the server /dev files?
[09:27] <ogra> we dont deploy it until upstream makes it work over ssh tunnels :)
[09:27] <ogra> you cant use it on ubuntu thin clients currently ...
[09:27] <ogra> Petaris, nope
[09:27] <Petaris> bummer
[09:27] <ogra> Petaris, /dev files are special 
[09:27] <ogra> thats the prob ...
[09:28] <Petaris> ok
[09:28] <ogra> you can cross acess /dev trees with some kernel patches, but thats the wrong way imho it should happen in userspace
[09:28] <Petaris> but what about an nfs mount to the server and a symlink pointing to the actuall /dev file?
[09:28] <ogra> the clustering solutions do it this way
[09:29] <Petaris> hrm
[09:29] <ogra> thats still not working :)
[09:29] <ogra> as long as nfs is involved it wiont work ...
[09:29] <Petaris> well, which bits of /dev on the server would it actually need?
[09:30] <ogra> one option would be to have a ncd like nbd exists
[09:30] <ogra> (network char device)
[09:30] <ogra> that you could mount over the network ...
[09:31] <Petaris> what if
[09:31] <Petaris> client boots from the server
[09:32] <Petaris> the serer pushes out a virtual envirornment to the client (including /dev etc)
[09:32] <Petaris> that could run in a 128 MB CF card
[09:32] <Petaris> on the client for the duration of the session
[09:33] <Petaris> that way, as far as the client knows everything is local
[09:33] <Petaris> the just have nfs mounts to the applications that you don't wish to push out
[09:35] <Petaris> hrm
[09:36] <Petaris> like pushing a virtual hdd image
[09:38] <ogra> and what about <= 64MB clients 
[09:50] <Petaris> ogra: ?
[09:50] <Petaris> for memmory you mean?
[09:52] <Petaris> If you were pushing the virtual disk image to the CF card for the duration of the session it should be enough
[09:52] <Petaris> and the virtual disk image could be made fairly small
[09:55] <Petaris> you would need a ide CF adapter though
[09:55] <Petaris> or a hdd or something
[10:00] <ogra> yep
[10:00] <Petaris> but it could be a good solution
[10:00] <Petaris> keep the disk image as small as possible
[10:01] <Petaris> maybe compress it for the push to the clients
[10:01] <Petaris> then have it decompress locally
[10:01] <Petaris> and just have it deleted when the client shuts down
[10:04] <Petaris> later
[10:04] <Petaris> I need to go home now
[10:25] <lucasvo_>  /w 12
[10:25] <lucasvo_> ups
[11:02] <iGotNoTime> Has anyone lost the ability to open their gnome terminal?
[11:02] <iGotNoTime> I have and if you have done this I would appreciate any advice you could offer so I can have it back
[11:02] <Burgwork> iGotNoTime, what do you mean? does it simply not work?
[11:03] <iGotNoTime> it says starting terminal, flashes up the box and then is gone
[11:04] <iGotNoTime> I try to manually open it and it says file does not exist
[11:05] <Burgwork> in 5.10?
[11:05] <iGotNoTime> I feel kinda proud that I have stumped everyone :P
[11:05] <iGotNoTime> yes
[11:05] <iGotNoTime> xterm works but not gnome-terminal
[11:05] <Burgwork> wow, now idea
[11:05] <Burgwork> s/now/no
[11:06] <iGotNoTime> It was fine, I was reading a website and opened it 10 minutes later to use it, and it just did that
[11:06] <iGotNoTime> I edited nothing, only reading Google News feed
[11:06] <iGotNoTime> kinda cool :P
[11:06] <iGotNoTime> no big deal I have xterm :)