[01:05] <raphink> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[01:07] <Mez> hmm is anyone here willing to debug my abysmal C++ coding and get some code working for me ?:P
[01:07] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: hi
[01:07] <raphink> hi freeflying-ibook
[01:08] <raphink> kontact losing all addresses when closing with message open FIXED! thanks to Till that rocks hard :D
[01:20] <raphink> Riddell: one more fix to upload :)
[01:25] <raphink> allee: ping
[01:25] <allee> raphink: pong
[01:25] <raphink> hi :)
[01:25] <raphink> how is digikam going?
[01:25] <raphink> (and how are you doing, too?)
[01:26] <allee> raphink: deadline stress but I'm almost done.  Puh!
[01:26] <raphink> great :)
[01:26] <raphink> till fixed kontact bug with addresses today
[01:26] <raphink> :)
[01:27] <raphink> at least he gave a fix that works, and he said he would work on making it nicer
[01:27] <allee> raphink: yeah, I've seen it.  I did subscribe to the bug
[01:27] <raphink> oh nice
[01:27] <raphink> allee: I've just built and tested, Riddell has the debdiff to upload :)
[01:27] <raphink> I'm so happy with this bugfix
[01:27] <raphink> :)
[01:27] <allee> digikam build on all archs (only amd64 pending, arm build running)
[01:28] <raphink> :)
[01:28] <raphink> where is it building?
[01:28] <allee> raphink: debian buildd
[01:28] <raphink> ok :)
[01:29] <raphink> so when it's built we can test sync and request a UVFe
[01:29] <allee> raphink: so I assume it's save to ask for a sync.  but I'll be busy until at least thursday :( ...
[01:29] <raphink> ok
[01:29] <raphink> allee: well I can ask for the sync
[01:29] <allee> raphink: that's great.  Thx a lot!!
[01:37] <raphink> allee: what version is it in Debian? -4 ?
[01:37] <allee> yes -4
[01:37] <raphink> ok thanks
[01:40] <raphink> allee: 
[01:40] <raphink> This new Debian version fixes the following :
[01:40] <raphink> * kipi plugins now work in digikam (major, since many people want to be able to export to flickr for example)
[01:40] <raphink> * doesn't segfault on amd64 anymore
[01:40] <raphink> anything else allee?
[01:41] <allee> fix jpeg detection on PPC
[01:41] <raphink> ok
[01:41] <allee> adds a necessary recommends on dcraw
[01:41] <raphink> ok 
[01:42] <raphink> I'll join the changelog anyway :)
[01:42] <allee> :)
[01:42] <raphink> did you change the package since I used your -4 ?
[01:42] <raphink> or is it the same ?
[01:43] <allee> raphink: changelog changed afair, ah and tarball:  My sponsor used different compression level, so I synced with debian ;)
[01:43] <raphink> ah ok
[01:44] <raphink> I can't find the source in sid yet
[01:44] <allee> raphink: I also thing the recommends was later
[01:44] <allee> think*
[01:44] <raphink> I need the package source
[01:44] <allee> just download whatever debian has
[01:45] <raphink> yep
[01:45] <raphink> I don't have it through apt-get yet
[01:45] <raphink> but I'll get it from the website
[01:46] <allee> yeah, that what I do too when my sid test hosts isn't working ;)
[01:46] <raphink> :)
[01:54] <raphink> UVFer filed :)
[01:55] <raphink> allee: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/34028 if you want to add anything to it
[01:55] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34028 in digikam "UVF exception 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 -> 0.8.1-4" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[01:57] <allee> raphink: thx, looks fine.
[03:38] <Mez> eep
[03:38] <Mez> why are konsole tabs at the bottom now?
[03:39] <raphink> Mez: that was a choice taken at last kubuntu meeting
[03:39] <raphink> and applied by tonio
[03:40] <raphink> so that all tabs are at the bottom in all apps
[03:40] <raphink> homogeneity
[03:40] <Mez> and arent they at the top now in konv
[03:40] <Mez> ?
[03:40] <raphink> if you don't like it, you can change it in two clicks
[03:40] <Mez> raphink: already hae
[03:40] <raphink> ah?
[03:40] <Mez> ah
[03:40] <raphink> you think it's to the top in konv ?
[03:40] <Mez> konv was changed to have them moved to the top
[03:41] <raphink> ah
[03:41] <Mez> we patched to move back to bottom ;)
[03:41] <raphink> I don't like that
[03:41] <raphink> lol
[03:41] <raphink> hmm 
[03:41] <raphink> I'll talk to tonio about that
[03:41] <raphink> not tomorrow cause I think he won't be there
[03:41] <raphink> ;)
[03:41] <Mez> ?
[03:41] <Mez> why
[03:41] <Mez> why you need to talk to him?
[03:41] <Mez> they're at the bottom in konv
[03:41] <Mez> we patched it when like - we found out they were at the top
[03:42] <Mez> I think
[03:42] <raphink> I have to talk to him because he is the one responsible for the tabs settings in kubuntu-default-settings
[03:43] <raphink> kubuntu-default-settings (1:6.04-10) dapper; urgency=low
[03:43] <raphink>  .
[03:43] <raphink>    [ Anthony Mercatante ] 
[03:43] <raphink>    * Changed tab position to bottom for kopete and konsole to fit
[03:43] <raphink>      konversation and keep tabs arround the focus
[03:43] <raphink> that was the idea
[03:43] <raphink> in these apps (konv, kopete, konsole), the focus is at the bottom
[03:43] <raphink> and it's more logical to have the tabs close to the focus
[03:44] <raphink> so you don't move your mouse all around
[03:44] <raphink> on konqui, the focus is to the top mostly (url bar and buttons) so we keep the tabs to the top
[03:58] <freeflying> raphink: ping
[03:58] <raphink> pong
[03:58] <freeflying> raphink: may I run make -f Makefile.cvs in the rules 
[03:58] <raphink> you may, if necessary
[03:59] <raphink> preferably in makebuilddir:: imo
[03:59] <freeflying> how about in configure
[04:00] <raphink> in configure ?
[08:42] <seaLne> Hobbsee: is DPMS not an xorg option?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure - i'm not sure what it is - if it relates to dpi or what
[08:42] <Hobbsee> oh goody, a user-error bug
[08:43] <seaLne> yeah I have Option "DPMS" in my monitor sections in xorg.conf not sure what it does tho
[08:43] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[08:44] <seaLne> presumably its either on or off tho
[08:44] <Hobbsee> bug 34041
[08:44] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34041 in kdenetwork kopete "Kopete displays the wrong name in conversation windows" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34041
[08:45] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming that's just a user error bug - it's global identity
[08:45] <seaLne> "DPMS is used to communicate between your monitor and computer to make your computer turn off your monitor when you have been neglecting it for a given period of time"
[08:45] <seaLne> so power saving?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> then that's also in the system settings, display tab - the last tab in that section
[10:43] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yay!
[10:43] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T 
[10:43] <Hobbsee> what's yay?
[10:43] <Tm_T> just, yay
[10:43] <Tm_T> say it
[10:44] <Tm_T> =)
[10:44] <Hobbsee> ah, ok
[10:44] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: what's up
[10:44] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: not a lot, just had a very hot and spicy dinner...and so now i feel pretty sick :P
[10:46] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:47] <Tm_T> also I should be packaging stuff... blah, not now
[10:47] <Hobbsee> i thought you were supposed to be bug fixing, as it's after feature freeze...
[10:47] <Tm_T> maybe coffee and homebaked bread... :)
[10:48] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: should do beta1 packages, it's out :)
[10:48] <Tm_T> after that I will look into bugs :)
[10:48] <Tm_T> talking about Kopete ofcourse
[10:48] <Hobbsee> beta1 packages of...
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ah....
[10:48] <Hobbsee> still plenty of bugs in kopete...
[10:48] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[10:48] <Hobbsee> where's the beta1 stuff?  svn?
[10:48] <Tm_T> there too
[10:49] <Tm_T> but, wait...
[10:50] <Hobbsee> hang on, how does it get split from kdenetwork?
[10:51] <Tm_T> what you mean?
[10:51] <Tm_T> ah yes, it's only in svn atm
[10:52] <Hobbsee> well, apt-get source kopete gets the entire kdenetwork
[10:52] <Hobbsee> and it all compiles together
[10:52] <Tm_T> yes
[10:53] <Hobbsee> so how would one go about packaging it separately?
[10:53] <Tm_T> because in normal KDE release cycle Kopete is part of kdenetwork
[10:53] <Tm_T> but 0.12is _separate_ release
[10:53] <Hobbsee> true
[10:53] <Tm_T> so it must be packaged separately
[10:54] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: aye, that's small problem
[10:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, i got that bit
[10:54] <Tm_T> yaaaagh, what a feeling...
[10:55] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: you do use Kopete?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: of course
[10:56] <Tm_T> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122606
[10:56] <Tm_T> have noticed this little baby?
[10:56] <Tm_T> really annoying
[10:57] <Tm_T> that's something I would like to fix to beta2
[10:57] <Hobbsee> i havent, actually
[10:58] <Hobbsee> it gets sent to the little icon at the bottom, and then i hit view to view the message
[10:58] <Hobbsee> losing no focus at all
[10:59] <Tm_T> aye, you use message queue/stack
[10:59] <Tm_T> but when you set it to "open messages instantly" ;)
[11:00] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: true, which i prefer not to use...
[11:00] <Hobbsee> but yeah, i see the point
[11:00] <Tm_T> hehe
[11:00] <Hobbsee> well, i really want something from someone from kubuntu/ubuntu splashing across my screen with teh parents in the room, viewing a webpage or wahtever
[11:01] <Tm_T> uh, I don't understand
[11:01] <Hobbsee> as in, i dont instantly want my parents reading all my PM's over my shoulder
[11:01] <Hobbsee> so i can hit ignore or view, based on just who it is
[11:02] <Hobbsee> it's a personal preference thing, it's ok :P
[11:02] <Tm_T> true
[11:02] <viviersf> hmmm
[11:02] <viviersf> guys 
[11:02] <viviersf> where would kmail / kwallet store its passwords
[11:02] <Tm_T> viviersf: what you mean?
[11:02] <Tm_T> kwallet afaik encrypts them
[11:03] <viviersf> with which encryption
[11:03] <viviersf> ?
[11:04] <Tm_T> no idea
[11:05] <Tm_T> but main idea of kwallet is to not show password without kwallet ;)
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:05] <Hobbsee> you'd think so, yes
[11:05] <Hobbsee> it'll be in kmailrc or kwalletrc, i expect
[11:05] <Hobbsee> kopete's is in kopeterc
[11:42] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[11:42] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[12:21] <MrFaber> hi all
[12:23] <MrFaber> Does anyone useing module assistant?
[12:24] <MrFaber> BTW adept systray updater shows update which are keept back from apt-get which is a little bit confuseing
[02:48] <MrFaber_> cu all
[05:21] <jjesse> umm did soemonthing change in the latest updates where tabs for konsole now appear at the bottom of the screen instead of the top?
[05:21] <freeflying> jjesse: k-d-s
[05:24] <jjesse> how come ?
[05:28] <Tm_T> just default settings
[05:28] <Tm_T> so change if you don't like
[05:29] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:33] <jjesse> i liked the other default settings :(
[05:33] <Riddell> raphink: both uploaded
[05:37] <Tm_T> jjesse: I didn't ;(
[05:40] <jjesse> Tm_T: who decides?
[05:42] <Tm_T> we did
[05:42] <Tm_T> atleast I though
[05:43] <Tm_T> +t
[05:52] <Tm_T> awwww
[05:53] <Tm_T> ok, somehow my kmenu doesn't work as expected
[05:54] <raphink> Riddell: thanks much :) :)
[05:55] <Tm_T> somewhat annoying, I removed kmenu file from ~/.config/menus/
[05:55] <Tm_T> but, default menu doesn't come up
[05:55] <Tm_T> still the modified one
[05:56] <Riddell> raphink: thank you
[06:06] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/uisprint/ kubuntu-default-settings from Mark
[06:06] <Riddell> plus the crystal window theme he wants
[06:08] <Tm_T> bah, I'll shut down whole system, had enough for awhile ->
[06:10] <raphink> Riddell: what are the changes?
[06:10] <raphink> Riddell: is this the kwin-style-crystal from REVU?
[06:12] <Riddell> yes
[06:12] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/windeco.png
[06:13] <raphink> hmm looks like the new ubuntu theme
[06:13] <raphink> and a bit like the vista one, too iirc
[06:13] <jjesse> i like it
[06:13] <Riddell> yes, we need to change the buttons
[06:14] <raphink> ok
[06:14] <raphink> what are the changes to k-d-s?
[06:15] <Riddell> darker selected colour, lipstik uses plastik shading on buttons, menus have drop shadow
[06:16] <raphink> the 1024x768 background for ksplash looks weird
[06:16] <Riddell> why?
[06:17] <raphink> it's very different from the other ones
[06:17] <Riddell> ignore the other ones :)
[06:17] <raphink> I prefer the other ones
[06:17] <raphink> ;)
[06:17] <Riddell> what do you prefer?
[06:17] <raphink> the way it is now
[06:18] <Riddell> yes, but what about it?
[06:18] <Riddell> the background, the dialogue?
[06:18] <raphink> the colors and shapes are smoother
[06:18] <raphink> this new one has a much higher contrast in for the backgroud
[06:18] <raphink> and I don't like the way kubuntu is written
[06:18] <raphink> it's too synthetic to me
[06:19] <raphink> I just prefer the older one 
[06:19] <Riddell> the kdm kubuntu log is more up to date
[06:20] <raphink> hmm
[06:20] <raphink> yeah but I still prefer the way it is now
[06:20] <raphink> dunno, I don't feel at ease with this artwork
[06:20] <raphink> it's too ... cold somehow
[06:20] <raphink> that is just personal I guess
[06:20] <raphink> ;)
[06:22] <raphink> I don't like the usplash either :(
[06:22] <raphink> but heh if the majority of people like it, it's good
[06:22] <raphink> :)
[06:24] <OculusAquilae> i think its ok, but this background at kdm and ksplash
[06:24] <raphink> OculusAquilae: how do you mean?
[06:25] <OculusAquilae> raphink: these bubbles
[06:25] <raphink> you liike them?
[06:25] <OculusAquilae> no
[06:25] <raphink> ok
[06:25] <raphink> me neither
[06:25] <OculusAquilae> I like how kubuntu is written, but not these bubbles
[06:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: why do we want konversation logs in a hidden directory?
[06:26] <Riddell> why not the bubbles?
[06:26] <Riddell> (we can't actually use that image)
[06:26] <raphink> I'm not at ease with that image at all
[06:26] <raphink> it's too dark, too synthetic
[06:27] <OculusAquilae> and not sharp
[06:27] <OculusAquilae> :)
[06:27] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: it's a half size sample from gettyimages, we don't have copyright on it, so that won't be the final one
[06:27] <OculusAquilae> ok
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: because all application, like kopete, are hiding logs, and enables you to display them in the software
[06:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: so you can view the logs in konversion?
[06:28] <Tonio_> konversation does the same (right click a channel, display logs)
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: absolutly
[06:28] <Tonio_> so I don't think it is really usefull in ~ directly
[06:28] <Riddell> ok, groovy
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a question
[06:28] <raphink> that prevents from charging ~ with too many folders
[06:28] <Tonio_> I'm looking at the new design here
[06:29] <Tonio_> are you going to use moodin ?
[06:29] <Riddell> I wonder how much scanning for nsplugins at startup slows down startup
[06:29] <raphink> moodin doesn't support UTF-8
[06:29] <Tonio_> cause I studied it a lot and that will NOT work
[06:29] <Riddell> raphink: for what?
[06:29] <Tonio_> because you have no way to dynamically set the resolution
[06:29] <raphink> Riddell: for my name...
[06:29] <raphink> Riddell: in many languages, names have accents
[06:29] <raphink> Riddell: and I don't like to see my name with squares instead of  at startup
[06:29] <Riddell> curious, you have to try quite hard in Qt not to support utf8
[06:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: therefore, the background will be stretched for 16/9 screens
[06:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: and more than that, it has been reported that moodin creates lots of problems with big resolutions, like 1900x1600
[06:30] <raphink> Riddell: btw, the kde-guidance module for users doesn't like my name either. It prevents me from editing it...
[06:30] <Riddell> raphink: poke sebas 
[06:30] <Tonio_> raphink: I'm working with _Sime on that point, have tests to perform toonight
[06:31] <raphink> sebas: ping
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about the icons that use hardcoded coords ?
[06:31] <Riddell> or not, if it's being worked on
[06:31] <Tonio_> that creates issues on my laptop, which is wxga
[06:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, that's somewhat crazy
[06:31] <Riddell> wxga?
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: not crazy, just logic because moodin if full coords based
[06:31] <raphink> Riddell: aboiut the background for kubuntu : users want something smooth, something nice to look at and relaxing... these bubbles are aggressive to the eyes
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: therefore not usable by default on a distro I'm affraid
[06:32] <Riddell> raphink: you think?  they look smooth to me
[06:32] <raphink> Riddell: not to me
[06:32] <sebas> raphink: choose another name or send a patch.
[06:32] <sebas> Just kidding :-)
[06:32] <sebas> What name does it not like exactly?
[06:32] <raphink> sebas: my name was chosen by my parents and written on all my official papers I'm afraid ;)
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I read the full moodin sources, I tested 10 moodin themes, read all docs, and I can confirm that we will not be able to use it by default I'm affraid....
[06:32] <raphink> sebas: my name is Raphal, with uml on the 
[06:33] <raphink> sebas: wanna see what I get ?
[06:33] <Tonio_> each theme as to be set depending the computer's resolution...
[06:33] <sebas> Ah, I should've come across it myself, my surname has an umlaut as well.
[06:33] <sebas> raphink: Show me :-)
[06:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only way to provide a "zero-config" ksplash theme is to use a non "background based" one, which is not possible with moodin. Only the "dafult" engine allow that
[06:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: we could use UsersBackground in moodin
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, and what about the "white square" ?
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: moodin doesn't allow the usage of a front image
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: only a background and icons
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can't use another image in it.... I've spent about 1 complete week trying to find out ;)
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you use the user's background, you will miss the "Kubuntu white square"
[06:38] <sebas> raphink: I think I can reproduce it here, will try so as soon as I find the time.
[06:38] <raphink> ok :)
[06:38] <sebas> And if you could tell me if /etc/passwd may contain unicode, that'd be even better :-)
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: another solution is to use a transparent background, with only the white Square and transparent else
[06:38] <raphink> sebas: it works fine with kuser (just a note)
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: but the problem if that doesn't resolv the stretching issue....
[06:39] <sebas> Does KUser put unicode into /etc/passwd? (If yes, we should too)
[06:39] <raphink> no
[06:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: k-d-s from March 6th you send looks all good, I'll upload
[06:39] <Riddell> s/send/sent/
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks :)
[06:39] <Riddell> sebas: you're modelling guidance on kuser?
[06:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: note that I'm not telling you that I don't want moodin
[06:40] <sebas> Riddell: No, but it'd give a hint as to what encoding doesn't break other things.
[06:40] <raphink> Riddell: well the fact is that kuser works on this matter
[06:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: juste that I carrefully tried, and I can unsure you we are waisting our time
[06:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm listening
[06:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: unless we patch moodin to autodetect the user's resolution and then use the convenient background automatically
[06:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: isn't that what it does?
[06:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope
[06:41] <Riddell> but that's what all the Background-1024xfoo.jpg images are for
[06:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you don't specify the background, and let that variable empty, it will try, in that order
[06:42] <Tonio_> Background-<width>x<height>.jpg
[06:42] <Tonio_> Background.jpg
[06:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: width and height are extracted from the BaseResolution variable
[06:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: not from the user's config
[06:42] <Tonio_> here is the way it works
[06:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: another issue is that icons are fixed coords
[06:43] <Tonio_> and they have to be adapted depending the background used
[06:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: because the same coords will not go in the same part of the image depending the user's config
[06:43] <Tonio_> there are lots of problems reported on kde-apps concerning the actual moodin theme I added
[06:44] <Tonio_> and the only response is : adept the coords to feet your screen settings
[06:44] <Tonio_> that's the reason moodin cannot be used by default on a distro in actual developpment state....
[06:45] <Riddell> linspire uses it :)
[06:45] <mornfall> ahum?
[06:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, could be interesting to look how they implemented it
[06:45] <Riddell> yo mornfall 
[06:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I really doubt that doesn't cause any issue... unless they patched moodin to autodetect X parameters
[06:45] <Riddell> mornfall: what do you think of non-interactive install for adept?
[06:46] <mornfall> Riddell: i think we are somewhat past feature freeze
[06:46] <mornfall> it can be done
[06:46] <mornfall> but it's feature freeze breach
[06:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: have to leave work, going back home. do you want we spend a bit of time toonight making a point on this ?
[06:47] <Riddell> Mark wants the language tool, and that's dependent on a nice GUI for installing packages
[06:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: on moodin?
[06:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes ! If linspire uses it, I really want to unerstand why
[06:47] <Riddell> well, they wrote it
[06:47] <mornfall> i don't completely get what's moodin about
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: moodin is written by linspire ??????,
[06:48] <Riddell> yes, moodin is a fork of the linspire splash
[06:49] <mornfall> is it really just about svg splashscreen? or is there something useful in it
[06:49] <mornfall> Riddell: any screenshots of what the language tool actually does?
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: moodin's homepage : http://moodwrod.com
[06:49] <Tonio_> not linspire
[06:49] <mornfall> Tonio_: read again, it's linspire codebase, forked
[06:50] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay ;)
[06:50] <Tonio_> well I'll have a look at that toonight, cause really, I don't understand how can that thing be used dynamically
[06:51] <Tonio_> sorry I messed Riddell's comment concerning the fork :)
[06:51] <Tonio_> I will install linspire toonight and we'll see ;)
[06:51] <Riddell> they don't have a central image like we are using
[06:51] <Riddell> it's just a background with icons along the middle
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ! that way, no pb
[06:52] <Tonio_> you can simply use the user's background, indeed
[06:53] <Tonio_> or a transparent one, which is possible too
[06:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, linspire uses the option "icons inline"
[06:56] <Tonio_> with this, no coords are necessary
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that means you cannot configure anything
[06:56] <Tonio_> icons are centered and inline, and that's it....
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: very limited if you want to provide something nice
[07:22] <Tm_T> bah
[07:23] <Tm_T> there was kdelibs update today?
[07:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes, why?
[07:30] <andred> Tm_T: no kopete package for dapper today? ;)
[07:30] <Riddell> andred: why not?
[07:31] <andred> the breezy one is already in the repository btw. if anybody wanna try
[07:31] <andred> bbl, lunch
[08:17] <andred> Riddell: because Tm_T seemed to refuse to package it today
[08:17] <andred> lazy Tm_T ;)
[08:39] <_Sime> I discovered something interesting in systemsettings. If you put KLocale::setMainCatalog("kcontrol") at the start of the program, then i18n starts to work.
[08:39] <_Sime> I don't know how or why that happens..... :-/
[08:40] <Riddell> _Sime: aah, I'll bet something in the kcm module loader sets the klocale catalogue
[08:40] <Riddell> top work _Sime  :)
[08:41] <_Sime> I've been looking for the missing link, but I haven't quite found it.
[08:41] <_Sime> there is something fishy going on.
[08:44] <mornfall> Riddell: so do we want to break the freeze and add features now?
[08:45] <Riddell> mornfall: I need to ask Mark when he comes back in a bit
[08:46] <mornfall> i would consider adding a separate application to minimize risks
[08:47] <mornfall> without altering the library
[08:47] <mornfall> if not possible, too bad
[08:47] <mornfall> (shouldn't be a problem though)
[08:48] <mornfall> "No message in kdesu box when clicking on adept notifier if possible" <-- i completely don't get that
[08:48] <mornfall> what is that supposed to mean?
[08:49] <jjesse> why would you not want to be notified or asked for kdesu?
[08:49] <jjesse> don't you need sudo privilleges to run it?
[08:49] <Riddell> when you click on notifier the kdesu box has a long ugly command
[08:49] <Riddell> there's an option to kdesu to not show the command
[08:49] <Riddell>  -d
[08:49] <mornfall> Riddell: i don't run kdesu though
[08:49] <mornfall> let me check
[08:50] <Riddell> maybe it needs to go in the .desktop file then
[08:50] <mornfall> starteServiceByDesktopName
[08:51] <mornfall> also, popping up kdesu prompts without command is somewhat dangerous practice
[08:51] <mornfall> because it's easily spoofed
[08:52] <Riddell> mornfall: that was my argument
[08:52] <Riddell> but it is a kdesu option, and it is the default in gnome
[08:53] <mornfall> interesting
[08:53] <Riddell> it ould be nice if there was an option to filter out all the command line stuff and just have kdesu show the app name being run
[08:53] <Riddell> s/ould/would/
[08:56] <mornfall> maybe it's time to start dapper+1 todo :)
[08:57] <Riddell> we have a wiki page for that :)
[08:59] <hunger> Any estimation on when suspend will be fixed again in kubuntu?
[09:00] <hunger> Or any hints on what I can do to figure out what goes wrong?
[09:00] <mornfall> Riddell: url? i'm lost trying to find it 
[09:00] <Lure> hunger: do you mean klaptop issue or suspend in general?
[09:01] <hunger> Lure: klaptop issue.
[09:02] <hunger> Lure: klaptop issue where it suspends only after logout.
[09:02] <Lure> hunger: I kind of gave up on klaptop and have switched to kpowersave
[09:02] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFutureIdeas
[09:02] <Riddell> mornfall: I've not edited that page at all
[09:02] <allee> toma, raphink: digikam #355886 'search and score' care to add the patch to https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/34028.  0.8.2 no problem for sid but maybe too late/complicated for dapper.  I'm busy until next week :(
[09:02] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34028 in digikam "UVF exception 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 -> 0.8.1-4" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[09:03] <hunger> Lure: I'd do too, but that is incompatible with kubuntu- and ubuntu-desktop.
[09:03] <Lure> hunger: true, this is why it is hard (impossible?) to do change for dapper
[09:06] <mornfall> there's a general problem with metapackages :)
[09:07] <hunger> Nice if it got network, ANNOYING when not:-(
[09:08] <Lure> hunger: I am thinking of preparing powersave packages that would not complain about apmd and powernowd
[09:08] <hunger> keeps popping up kwallet windows.
[09:09] <Lure> but would install anyhow and then disable these two services
[09:09] <superstoned> hey _sime
[09:09] <_Sime> superstoned: hey.
[09:09] <toma> allee: i can attach the patch there, but do not count on it before end of next week
[09:09] <_Sime> superstoned: what's up?
[09:09] <Lure> but this could not go in universe archive... :-(
[09:10] <Lure> (too ugly ;-)
[09:10] <superstoned> nix, jij gaf bij kde-nl "superstoned: [09:10] <Riddell> hi superstoned 
[09:10] <allee> toma: heh, them I'm propably faster :)
[09:10] <superstoned> hi riddell
[09:10] <superstoned> nice travel home?
[09:10] <superstoned> :D
[09:10] <toma> allee: i committed it in one or two commits, should be straight forward
[09:11] <superstoned> riddell: how's the dirfilter goin'?
[09:11] <_Sime> superstoned: did you have a problem with guidance and displayconfig ?
[09:11] <Riddell> superstoned: it's in, we're still to get rid of the google filter
[09:11] <Riddell> tvo: how's that going?
[09:11] <superstoned> _sime: yes, actually, not me, but someone else
[09:11] <tvo> the bar? I got the patch modified
[09:12] <_Sime> superstoned: oh...
[09:12] <tvo> doesn't show up on anything but KHTMLParts (ie. web)..
[09:12] <superstoned> after configuring a second screen he was unable to start x again.
[09:12] <superstoned> (dualhead)
[09:12] <tvo> and separated it from default searchbar, so one can choose
[09:12] <superstoned> tvo: great
[09:12] <_Sime> superstoned: are they still around?
[09:12] <tvo> and fixed a minor bug
[09:12] <superstoned> i got his xorg.conf's and x error's if u want them
[09:13] <tvo> still to do: uuencode 3 icons with the kdeaddons package & test, change kubuntu default settings to have searchbar=false for konqueror, otherwise 2 bars show up by default
[09:13] <tvo> and send the debdiffs to Riddell of course :-)
[09:13] <hunger> Lure: Any chance for a kpowersave deb that is compatible with the desktops?
[09:14] <hunger> Lure: But appart from that klaptopd needs to get fixed for the release.
[09:14] <Lure> hunger: not in nice way, unless *-desktop would not require apmd/powernowd
[09:14] <superstoned> _sime i got his xorg.conf's and x error's if u want them
[09:14] <superstoned> told him to send them to sebas, too
[09:14] <_Sime> superstoned: email them on to me (simon@simonzone.com)
[09:15] <Lure> klaptop is not maintained and I am not sure who will look into it...
[09:15] <hunger> Lure: Then kpowersave needs to get into kubuntu-laptop instead!
[09:16] <hunger> Lure: A broken suspend is too big a regression!
[09:16] <sebas> kpowersave's latest even works with Ubuntu's suspend scripts, rather then their own stuff.
[09:16] <superstoned> _sime: incoming ;-)
[09:16] <Lure> hunger: would be nice, but then it will not for users with ubuntu-/edubuntu-desktop 
[09:16] <hunger> Lure?
[09:16] <superstoned> tvo: adding the quickfilter was no prob?
[09:17] <superstoned> i wonder why other distro's don't do it, it has been there for a while...
[09:17] <Lure> they can install it together with kubuntu-desktop
[09:17] <Lure> This is even suggested in docs (how to get KDE...)
[09:17] <tvo> superstoned: quickfilter? guess I'm missing something
[09:17] <superstoned> dirfilter?
[09:18] <tvo> the bar I get in filemanagement mode?
[09:18] <superstoned> yep
[09:18] <superstoned> i suggested it to riddell
[09:18] <superstoned> been using it for some time, its cool
[09:19] <superstoned> and on kubuntu i now see 2 searchbars, google and the dirfilter - you fixed that, didn't you?
[09:20] <tvo> ah, you mean whether I succeeded removing the googlebar instead of adding the dirfilter :-)
[09:20] <tvo> yeah, succeeded in that
[09:20] <superstoned> lol
[09:20] <superstoned> yeah
[09:20] <superstoned> :D
[09:20] <superstoned> tvo: another question, if you don't mind...
[09:20] <tvo> no, go ahead
[09:20] <superstoned> by moving all the stuff to the locationbar and not showing the main toolbar, we lost the 'dynamic' icons.
[09:20] <Riddell> mornfall: Mark says do it (non interactive adept) if it doesn't take up time best spent on more important things (like fixing bugs)
[09:20] <superstoned> but now, in some kparts a seperate bar shows up
[09:20] <_Sime> sebas: ping
[09:21] <_Sime> sebas: does dualhead with guidance work well for you?
[09:21] <superstoned> that's nice, but for example the several views you can have in filebrowsing are nowhere to be found (exept in the viewmenu, i didn't even know that before)
[09:21] <sebas> _Sime: It doesn't quite get the twinview stuff, and I didn't get around to testing the xinerama config that it'd generate.
[09:22] <superstoned> and the seperate bar makes the tabbar go up and down - irritating when scrolling with the mouse.
[09:22] <sebas> It finds one card, two monitors though, and in admin mode I can switch to the dualhead thing.
[09:22] <_Sime> sebas: I think only xinerama is in there right now.
[09:22] <mornfall> Riddell: noone reporting bugs :|
[09:23] <Riddell> mornfall: that's because your software is too good :)
[09:23] <superstoned> tvo: now i was unable to get dirfilter, google search and locationbar to show up in the main toolbar, together with the dynamic ones. i wonder if you guys tried that.
[09:23] <sebas> _Sime: Yeah, that was what I thought too.
[09:23] <robotgeek> mornfall: i was about to report a adept bug, then it turned out to be PEBKAC
[09:23] <_Sime> sebas: I've been working my a$$ off the last weeks getting the bugs out. ;)
[09:23] <mornfall> uhm
[09:23] <tvo> superstoned: I noticed that too (the tabbar going up and down), but I wouldn't know a direct solution
[09:24] <tvo> superstoned: let me try that
[09:24] <raphink> allee: can you post the patch to the sync bug so I can add it please?
[09:24] <sebas> _Sime: I'm getting the commit mails, so I know.
[09:24] <sebas> You're doing great, indeed.
[09:24] <sebas> I've got two bugs on my plate for userconfig, though.
[09:24] <superstoned> it won't be easy, tvo - i've been fiddeling with it a few times. but you might be better in this stuff than i am, at least i hope so ;-)
[09:24] <_Sime> yeah?
[09:24] <superstoned> mornfall: for me adept crashes immediately when i try to show more info about a package. is that known?
[09:24] <sebas> 1) do not enter an existing username, or the homedir gets wiped (not checked yet)
[09:24] <mornfall> superstoned: not at all
[09:25] <mornfall> superstoned: anything resembling more info?
[09:25] <sebas> 2) non-ascii characters in full name
[09:25] <tvo> superstoned: hm, doubt it, never really fiddled with the toolbars, just haxxored the searchbar to do google suggest..
[09:25] <mornfall> superstoned: first of all version, if possible backtrace, stderr
[09:25] <superstoned> mornfall: give me a sec, it just worked for the first time in >5 updates...
[09:25] <superstoned> but adept was unable to get control over apt
[09:25] <superstoned> (locked)
[09:26] <superstoned> mornfall: ok, i just open adept, search for kate, klick and request details. and now nothing happens anymore.
[09:26] <allee> raphink: I see what I can do later.  I'm very busy.  In theory I should close konversation instead of being away ;)
[09:26] <superstoned> interface doesn't update anymore, get just a wait cursor.
[09:27] <superstoned> i have to kill adept
[09:27] <_Sime> sebas: 1) should be already checked for.
[09:27] <_Sime> sebas: 2) ??? latin1?
[09:27] <sebas> _Sime: I had a brief look in the code, but was tired and didn't find anything obvious.
[09:28] <sebas> 2) I guess some conversion between unicode and ?? misses
[09:28] <sebas> brb
[09:28] <mornfall> superstoned: hmm
[09:28] <mornfall> superstoned: happens reliably?
[09:28] <superstoned> let me try again...
[09:28] <superstoned> :D
[09:29] <mornfall> superstoned: what says about box? (version)
[09:29] <mornfall> mine says 1.90 Conquest and it also does not freeze doing what you say
[09:29] <superstoned> (but yes, i was surprised to see it work just when adept was not able to get a lock)
[09:29] <superstoned> 1.90 conquest beta 1
[09:30] <superstoned> found kate, now going to ask for details...
[09:30] <superstoned> btw started it from konsole
[09:30] <superstoned> and it works?!?!?
[09:30] <superstoned> wtf it just hung now it works...
[09:30] <superstoned> try again...
[09:31] <superstoned> this time from the menu again
[09:31] <mornfall> interesting, i managed to crash it...
[09:31] <superstoned> and it hangs here too
[09:32] <superstoned> OK i got something. if i start it from a konsole with sudo - no problem. if i start it from the kde menu, HANG
[09:33] <mornfall> uhm
[09:34] <mornfall> well, kate is 404 for me
[09:34] <mornfall> even after a fresh update
[09:35] <superstoned> i can reliabely hang adept if i start it from the menu, and NOT from the konsole with sudo.
[09:35] <superstoned> are these probs related?!?
[09:35] <robotgeek> superstoned: used to happen to me before, it works perfectly now
[09:35] <tvo> superstoned: I can't seem to separate the googlebar/dirfilter from the main toolbar in any way :(
[09:36] <tvo> and I already managed to crash konqueror while fiddling with it..
[09:36] <mornfall> superstoned: pretty weird indeed
[09:36] <superstoned> tvo: yeah, that's cool huh ;-) been playing with it a lot, came close...
[09:36] <mornfall> superstoned: may be related to kdesu handling output of the program?
[09:37] <superstoned> i'll try kdesu adept from commandline...
[09:37] <superstoned> it works - no problem there... ?!?!?
[09:38] <mornfall> fun, fun
[09:39] <mornfall> i can't crash it... i had it crash but not anymore :|
[09:39] <mornfall> may have been related to broken packages
[09:41] <superstoned> koffice is broken here, it says upgradable but if i tell it to upgrade, it tells me it'll break
[09:42] <mornfall> that generally means it can't be upgraded :))
[09:42] <mornfall> try apt-get install koffice, may tell you more
[09:43] <superstoned> kexi
[09:43] <superstoned> unmet dep
[09:43] <hunger> AbdkSalie
[09:43] <hunger> Sorry...
[09:44] <mornfall> actually, i know what needs changing
[09:44] <mornfall> the icon next to tag in the tagfilter
[09:47] <Tonio_> re
[09:47] <mornfall> hey Tonio_ 
[09:47] <superstoned> mornfall why?
[09:47] <Tonio_> mornfall: ;)
[09:47] <mornfall> superstoned: because it confuses people
[09:48] <Tonio_> just noticed that skim is now installed by default
[09:49] <Tonio_> strange
[09:49] <mornfall> Tonio_: it seems there's some demand for an adept "package" with warning icon for adept_notifier
[09:50] <mornfall> Tonio_: i'm not entirely sure it's good idea (may be to much detail for tiny icon)
[09:50] <mornfall> Tonio_: but if you think you may try :))
[09:50] <Tonio_> mornfall: to many details yes
[09:50] <Tonio_> mornfall: it'll not be visible in the kmenu, but anyway ;)
[09:51] <mornfall> Tonio_: no, for the systray
[09:51] <Tonio_> mornfall: ahhhhhhhhhhh
[09:51] <Tonio_> mornfall: well it is the same size than in the K menu :)
[09:51] <mornfall> that's problem so :)
[09:51] <Tonio_> same problem potentially, but I'm trying :)
[09:52] <mornfall> i wouldn't bet too much on it
[09:52] <Tonio_> mornfall: we'ill see in a few minutes ;)
[09:54] <Tonio_> mornfall, what about an animated icon ?
[09:54] <Tonio_> like konversation
[09:54] <Tonio_> just changing the color ?
[09:56] <mornfall> uhm?
[09:56] <superstoned> sorry to interupt, mornfall & tonio, i found another little problem in adept: when you have made some changes and preview them, then undo the changes - you can't get back to the package view.
[09:56] <mornfall> superstoned: you can... but that reminds me i wanted to fix this ;-)
[09:57] <mornfall> superstoned: (you can through the view menu)
[09:57] <superstoned> aaah ok
[09:57] <Lure> Tonio_: animated icon might be too anoying if you cannot update for some time
[09:57] <superstoned> i still think you should try to fix it ;-)
[09:57] <superstoned> tnx
[09:57] <Lure> (for example on slow modem link or similar)
[09:57] <Tonio_> Lure: correct
[09:58] <mornfall> superstoned: fixed :)
[09:58] <Tonio_> mornfall, just tried, but 16x16 ic really invisible
[09:59] <Tonio_> mornfall want to see ?
[10:00] <mornfall> Tonio_: sure
[10:01] <Tonio_> mornfall: gimme a minute ;)
[10:03] <_Sime> Tonio_: how is that script of mine going? ;->
[10:04] <Tonio_> _Sime: didn't test at the moment, but I will toonight for sure :)
[10:04] <_Sime> Tonio_:  k
[10:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: http://planetemu.net/temp/test.png
[10:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: ridiculous ;)
[10:10] <Tonio_> _Sime: before testing, I'm going to test on a fresh install
[10:11] <Tonio_> _Sime: I have several more problems on my desktop, and is possibly due to the amount of tests I'm doing for k-d-s
[10:11] <_Sime> Tonio_: ok,
[10:12] <Tonio_> mornfall: I assume you are okay to forget that idea no ?
[10:13] <mornfall> Tonio_: sure :)
[10:13] <mornfall> Tonio_: but it proves i was right ;-)
[10:13] <Tonio_> mornfall: ^_^
[11:16] <Tonio_> _Sime: did a fresh install and still the problem.... testing now
[11:25] <Tonio_> hum: does someone know why are there 2 openoffice 2.0.1 version ?
[11:25] <Tonio_> I'm with a fresh install, and that creates a complete mess in dependancies
[11:26] <Tonio_> after my initial dist-upgrade, I have both installed partially, and no writer, no calc etc.....
[11:27] <Lure> Tonio_: I think they are moving from openoffice.org2 packages to openoffice.org
[11:28] <Tonio_> Lure: well I saw the problem 10 days ago in fact ;) I'm a bit surprised to see it again, but if that known, that's okay ;)
[11:29] <Lure> I just hope that we will se this fixed and with 2.0.2 version (released today)
[11:29] <Tonio_> Lure: yes ;)
[11:32] <Lure> I am just trying manual install of openoffice.org and openoffice.org-kde 
[11:32] <Lure> will report if it helps...
[11:38] <Lure> Tonio_: it works - just install openoffice.org and openoffice.org-kde
[11:39] <Tonio_> Lure: already done :)
[11:41] <Tonio_> _Sime: ping ?
[11:41] <_Sime> yep
[11:41] <Tonio_> concerning the guidance debugging tool, do I need to run it after running the display tool ?
[11:42] <Tonio_> I assume yes, but I'd like to be sure :)
[11:42] <_Sime> doesn't make that much of a difference
[11:42] <_Sime> i'm more interested in the other stuff that gathers.
[11:43] <_Sime> do it before.
[11:43] <_Sime> changed my mind
[11:43] <Tonio_> okay, you will receive a mail in 2 minutes
[11:44] <Tonio_> _Sime: sent
[11:46] <_Sime> Tonio_: thanks
[11:46] <Tonio_> _Sime: hope that helps ;)
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:53] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: which package provide the hotkey function on kubuntu ppc 
[11:56] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: no idea concerning ppc, but I assume it is the same that on x86
[11:56] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: kdebase-bin: usr/bin/khotkeys
[11:56] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: adept still can not be used on my ibook 
[11:56] <Tonio_> here is the package
[11:56] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: i have no idea, unfortunately
[11:57] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: also on my desktop
[11:57] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: what happens with adept ?
[11:57] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: so far you seem to be only person affected by this
[11:57] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: shall I do a fresh install for that on my desktop ,  :)
[11:57] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: fresh dapper install or breezy2dapper one ?
[11:58] <Tonio_> ah ;) here is my response :)
[11:58] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: i'd try making a chroot
[11:58] <mornfall> with debootstrap
[11:58] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: adept will freeze after it bring up 
[11:59] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: I can not use adept for about one month 
[11:59] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: did you try to mv .kde .kde2 to try on a fresh profile ?
[11:59] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: sure
[11:59] <Tonio_> damn........
[12:00] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: and did you try on a fresh install ?
[12:00] <Tonio_> at least on one of your 2 machines ?
[12:00] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: but kmail stuff can work fine on my desktop
[12:00] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: both 
[12:00] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: astonishing....
[12:00] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: I don't if  ishall file bugs 
[12:01] <Tonio_> maybe due to ppc..... would be interesting to check the package building output
[12:01] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: I found many bugs about kmail ,but it works fine for me 
[12:01] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: I don't know  if  i shall file bugs 
[12:03] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: well, do ! It could be interesting to get a feedback from other ppc users
[12:03] <Tonio_> unfortunately I canoot test myself
[12:03] <Tonio_> I think raphink has an ibook
[12:03] <mornfall> Tonio_: i think someone tried on ppc and it worked there