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| LaserJock | It would be cool if we had a style guide validator script :-) | 12:50 |
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| robotgeek | phew, had a blast fixing Package Manager (Adept) to Adept (Package Manager) | 03:13 |
| robotgeek | luckily, i wrote a script in python | 03:14 |
| Burgundavia | what is the window title? | 03:14 |
| Burgundavia | ie, what does it say on the menus? | 03:15 |
| robotgeek | well, the default dapper has Adept (Package Manager), but i moved my .kde folder from breezy, so i had Package Manager (Adept) | 03:16 |
| robotgeek | i did not realise it till yesterday | 03:16 |
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| corey_ | salut jsgotangco | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | salut | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | hi jsgotangco and Burgundavia | 04:22 |
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| LaserJock | hi Madpilot | 05:27 |
| Madpilot | hi LaserJock | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | how's it going? | 05:27 |
| Madpilot | good | 05:27 |
| Madpilot | we've got prettier docs than we had yesterday - cool banners on them | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | prettier docs are always nice to have | 05:28 |
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| Madpilot | we've got a hardcore grammar geek on the list now too - good :P | 05:38 |
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| kgoetz | hi all :) | 05:39 |
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| LaserJock | hi kgoetz | 05:44 |
| kgoetz | hi LaserJock | 05:45 |
| trappist | am I the only word nazi on the list? | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: yeah, except I'd like to turn him into a script ;-) | 05:45 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock, did you see one of robotgeek's emails, he mentioned using aspell for spellchecking our xml docs - I hadn't thought that was possible | 05:46 |
| trappist | hey I asked earlier but nobody responded - how about replacing unicode punctuation with html entities in html docs? | 05:47 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | Madpilot: i tried, but it asks for every tag - he must have a custom dict | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | I've used ispell/aspeel before with vim but I didn't know you could set the tag stuff | 05:48 |
| Madpilot | trappist, that would depend on the scripts used to build the HTML from our source XML/DocBook | 05:49 |
| Madpilot | Kamping_Kaiser, yeah, I've been meaning to ask on-list for more details about robotgeek's aspell trick | 05:49 |
| trappist | Madpilot: hrm. I was looking at the source. lemme refer to my original comments real quick so I can know what I'm talking about... | 05:49 |
| trappist | ubuntu/quicktour/quicktour.html | 05:50 |
| trappist | what's that built from? | 05:50 |
| trappist | nm, I see it | 05:50 |
| Madpilot | nothing, AFAIK, it's always just been HTML | 05:50 |
| trappist | there's a quicktour.xml in ubuntu/quicktour/C | 05:51 |
| trappist | with the unicode punctuation | 05:51 |
| Madpilot | ah, so there is - had no idea :P | 05:51 |
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| robotgeek | hey Madpilot | 06:41 |
| Madpilot | hi robotgeek | 06:42 |
| robotgeek | aspell --mode=sgml --rem-sgml-skip="<screen>" -c add-applications.xml | 06:46 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: ^^ | 06:46 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hi robotgeek (brb :D) | 06:47 |
| Madpilot | thanks, noted | 06:47 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: that's straight outta aspell --help :) | 06:52 |
| Madpilot | heh - servers me right for never really looking :P | 06:52 |
| Madpilot | *serves, rather | 06:52 |
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| robotgeek | Madpilot: i looked it up for some other thing, really. for tex stuff, about 3 months ago | 06:53 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, are you sanskrit-savvy? | 06:58 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: unfortunately no | 06:58 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: i can read, i think. i just would not know what it means | 06:58 |
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| robotgeek | jsgotangco: hmm, i can refer you to an online dictionray | 06:59 |
| robotgeek | i would google for it anyways, lol | 07:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hi robotgeek | 07:04 |
| robotgeek | hey Kamping_Kaiser | 07:04 |
| robotgeek | wb | 07:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ty. | 07:05 |
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| Madpilot | we're supposed to be using en_US for our stuff, right? | 07:35 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUbuntuAppInstaller <-- sweet | 07:35 |
| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 07:35 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: it's almost empty? | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | no, look at what they are doing | 07:36 |
| robotgeek | i was looking for shiny screenshots :P | 07:36 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, do you know if there's a way to force aspell to use a different locale? I run en_CA, it's trying to "correct" the en_US spellings in our docs | 07:38 |
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| jsgotangco | its just an entry for -ugly | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | but still a big leap with regrads to easy install of restricted formats | 07:39 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: aspell --help | less, look under Available Dictionaries | 07:39 |
| Madpilot | thanks - in the middle of running it now, faster to just ask here :P | 07:40 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: hmm, i just got there and look :P | 07:40 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Madpilot: we use "C" don't we (aka en_US afaik) | 07:40 |
| robotgeek | Kamping_Kaiser: yes | 07:41 |
| robotgeek | Kamping_Kaiser: are you going to translate to en_au, mate ;) | 07:41 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | robotgeek: don't tempt me ;) | 07:41 |
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| Madpilot | How to translate to en_CA: add "eh?" to the end of ~30% of all sentences. :P | 07:44 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: I wonder why just ugly | 07:44 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol Madpilot | 07:44 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mate :p | 07:44 |
| robotgeek | wow..www.python.org underwent a huge transformation | 07:44 |
| robotgeek | the documentation still sucks though | 07:45 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: commit sprint, i see | 07:59 |
| Madpilot | committing two files counts as a sprint? :P | 08:03 |
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| robotgeek | i've committed two also :) | 08:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ah, so that's where all that spam comes from :P | 08:04 |
| Madpilot | trappist, are you Rocco? | 08:10 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: yes, Rocco is trappist | 08:27 |
| Madpilot | thought so | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | nice patches | 08:33 |
| robotgeek | yup. | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, ping? | 08:35 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: pong | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, do you know any good browser turn-based games? | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | I play UrbanDead | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | kind of fun, zombie game | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | url? | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | urbandead.com | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | why do you ask? | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | its for work | 08:38 |
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| Burgundavia | ah, there are lots out there | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | Earth 2025 was one a played a very long time ago. There is also a space merchant one that is quite good | 08:39 |
| Burgundavia | There are a few medieval/fantasy ones I have dabbled in over the years | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | i wonder if there is something open source | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | bryce harrington is working on mint | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | http://endarchy.org/ | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | don't think it is playable | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | the idea was to create a game to showcase SVG in the browser | 08:41 |
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| jsgotangco | interesting | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | i dont see an svg | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:42 |
| Burgundavia | development is stalled however | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | i'll look into this | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | is your company looking to find an open source to work on? | 08:45 |
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| jsgotangco | there was a concept by the art team | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | but then, they're art people | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | i want to check a framework | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | and base on it if its workable | 08:46 |
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| Burgundavia | there is also some concept are on the enarchy server. ping bryce | 08:47 |
| jsgotangco | the codebase for Mint is nowhere to be found though | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | there is a development mailing list | 08:48 |
| mdke | morning | 08:48 |
| Burgundavia | morning mdke | 08:48 |
| jsgotangco | interesting | 08:51 |
| jsgotangco | ... | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | google for mint-devel | 08:51 |
| jsgotangco | i could not connect to his website | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | http://lists.outflux.net/mailman/listinfo/mint-devel | 08:59 |
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| Burgundavia | very cool, someone has worked out pdf upstream | 09:10 |
| Madpilot | pdf upstream for what? | 09:12 |
| mdke | for the gnome docs | 09:12 |
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| Burgundavia | automatic generation of pdf from docbook | 09:14 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, it's more a question of "how to install java" than "how to build pdf", that part is easy | 09:15 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:16 |
| mdke | nice backgrounds though | 09:18 |
| Burgundavia | ick, java | 09:20 |
| jsgotangco | it works | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | so does windows, doesn't mean it good | 09:22 |
| jsgotangco | its what we have for now so bear with it | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | until we have a free tolchain | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, mdke sure makes a fine doc leader eh? | 09:33 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 09:33 |
| Burgundavia | sounds good to me | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | is there some reason why you said that? (confused) | 09:34 |
| rob | jsgotangco, you've been giving a bit of mdke love lately :) | 09:34 |
| jsgotangco | none at all i was waiting for an mdke reaction heh | 09:35 |
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| mdke | damn | 11:06 |
| mdke | cheeky bugger | 11:06 |
| Madpilot | heh | 11:13 |
| mdke | nice work on the DG, Madpilot | 11:15 |
| mdke | cool spellchecker thing | 11:16 |
| Madpilot | it's robotgeek's trick, it was in one of his commit comments, I think | 11:16 |
| mdke | i haven't seen any of your comment questions, what is on your mind? | 11:17 |
| Madpilot | it's also built right into Bluefish, I've just realized :P | 11:17 |
| Madpilot | in our "how to install a .deb", there's no mention of the graphical deb installer? | 11:19 |
| Madpilot | or is that the 'just double-click on it' part? (need to fire up flight4 and find a .deb to install, obviously) | 11:20 |
| mdke | yes, it's the double click on it part | 11:21 |
| mdke | flight 4 doesn't have it in, but it will be working for dapper | 11:22 |
| Madpilot | OK | 11:22 |
| Madpilot | we still need a plain-English way of describing "spatial mode" | 11:23 |
| mdke | true | 11:23 |
| Madpilot | one that doesn't offend the folks who actually like that mode :P | 11:24 |
| Madpilot | most of the rest of the comments in UDG are about Dapper's possible changes in menu layout, so they'll have to wait a bit longer | 11:25 |
| mdke | oh right | 11:25 |
| mdke | what changes? | 11:25 |
| Madpilot | some of the utilities we mention have moved, I think - the System Tools menu is gone in Dapper, AFAIK | 11:28 |
| mdke | ok | 11:28 |
| mdke | we should use the menu entities to manage those things | 11:28 |
| mdke | &terminal; etc | 11:28 |
| Madpilot | yeah - I need to figure out how that stuff works, but it makes a lot of sense | 11:30 |
| mdke | it's pretty easy, see ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus.ent for the list of them | 11:30 |
| mdke | if you need to add one, make an entry there, and create the corresponding xml file by copying one of the existing ones :) | 11:30 |
| Madpilot | ah, OK - entry in gnome-menus-C.ent, and a new xml file in ubuntu/menus/C - that makes sense | 11:37 |
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| mdke | Madpilot, i've committed the spatial thing, tell me what you think | 11:59 |
| Madpilot | yeah, that works, explains both modes | 12:00 |
| mdke | hmm two weeks before doc freeze | 12:07 |
| Madpilot | yeah - I think we're in good shape, though | 12:09 |
| mdke | me too | 12:10 |
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| Madpilot | I'd like to add entries for the GIMP & Inkscape to Common Tasks, but they'll be short - "<app> can do <several cool things> and is on the menu <here>" | 12:14 |
| mdke | ok | 12:15 |
| mdke | inkscape comes up in gnome-office, and gimp is a dependency too, although I haven't mentioned it | 12:15 |
| mdke | you could deal with it there, or elsewhere if you prefer | 12:15 |
| Madpilot | so gnome-office is another big meta-package? | 12:16 |
| mdke | yes, I've written about it in common tasks/office | 12:16 |
| mdke | not a lot though | 12:16 |
| Madpilot | yeah | 12:17 |
| Madpilot | the GIMP is in by default, AFAIK - don't think Inkscape is | 12:17 |
| mdke | that's right | 12:17 |
| Madpilot | anyway, I'll think about that tomorrow - need sleep. | 12:21 |
| Madpilot | later, mdke | 12:21 |
| mdke | night | 12:21 |
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| jsgotangco | heh nice what i see on gnome-doc list | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | it means our toolchain works | 02:26 |
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| Burgwork | morning all | 06:08 |
| highvoltage | morning Mr Burger | 06:08 |
| highvoltage | Burgwork: did you know, one of the big newpapers in South Africa is called "Die Burger" ? | 06:09 |
| mdke | hi Burgwork | 06:09 |
| Burgwork | that means, The Citizen | 06:10 |
| Burgwork | oh, wait, sorry highvoltage | 06:10 |
| Burgwork | I read LaserJock for some reason | 06:10 |
| highvoltage | no, it does, you're right :) | 06:10 |
| highvoltage | hi mdke | 06:11 |
| mdke | yo | 06:11 |
| Burgwork | salut mdke | 06:12 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hi folks | 06:13 |
| Burgwork | highvoltage, do you speak Afrikaans? | 06:13 |
| highvoltage | Burgwork: yep, my first language | 06:13 |
| Burgwork | i have great grandad or something that was president of one of the boer repulics | 06:14 |
| Burgwork | republics, even | 06:14 |
| highvoltage | weird :) | 06:14 |
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| glatzor | any gnome-app-install or update-manager documentation guys arround? | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | hmm, might be some | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | do you have a question/suggestion about it? | 07:06 |
| glatzor | It is about the used terminology. I am doing a string review. | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | ah, you might be better off emailing the ubuntu-doc list | 07:16 |
| glatzor | i will try later again. so bye LaserJock | 07:16 |
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| Burgwork | mdke, they actually gave you upload rights? | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: I think it was just because he had the changelog entry | 08:25 |
| Burgwork | likely, but I wondered if they were loosing their minds ;) | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | naw, they just decided to give the doc team members core-dev status ;-) | 08:38 |
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| Burgwork | really? | 08:38 |
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| LaserJock | good luck | 08:39 |
| highvoltage | bye! | 08:40 |
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| mdke | Burgwork, yeah what LaserJock said | 11:07 |
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| mdke | does the latest docs package work alright? | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | are their any newer iso's than Flight4 that are working | 11:26 |
| trappist | I thought we had a Flight5 now | 11:26 |
| mdke | dailies maybe | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to install dapper something in OSX but Flight4 didn't work | 11:27 |
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| mdke | i changed the browser homepage a bit, it seems to work here | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | if I had dapper at the moment I'd test it :( | 11:28 |
| trappist | if you guys have a few minutes, I wonder if you have any input on my recent posts to the list | 11:28 |
| mdke | trappist, ok. on the server guide point, go ahead and make patches for the commas: the main server guide maintainer isn't a native english speaker so corrections are fine | 11:30 |
| trappist | mdke: yeah I've been doing all kinds of comma stuff. My point there was that maybe the styleguide should get a clarification. | 11:30 |
| mdke | trappist, ok, i have no problem with that | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | having a style guide that people use is probably the other issue | 11:31 |
| mdke | indeed | 11:31 |
| mdke | but grammatical errors will always be present | 11:31 |
| mdke | review is good | 11:31 |
| trappist | yeah, it's actually kinda hard to find. I don't think there's a link to it from our team page. | 11:31 |
| trappist | I find myself referring to the friggin xml because I can't remember where it is online. | 11:32 |
| Burgwork | UI freeze is tomorrow | 11:32 |
| mdke | trappist, doc.ubuntu.com | 11:32 |
| mdke | Burgwork, *nod*, I'm hoping seb will get to my yelp color patch :/ | 11:33 |
| mdke | trappist, what were the other ones? | 11:39 |
| mdke | personal pronouns... | 11:39 |
| mdke | i have no view. I actually have no problem with "They" but I avoid using personal pronouns at all if possible | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | "they" seems better than "he/she" which is what a lot of people here do | 11:40 |
| Burgwork | why not just rewrite to say "you"? | 11:41 |
| trappist | well in this case, for example, the party in question is definitely in the third person, and I think any attempt to make it otherwise will only make things uglier. | 11:43 |
| trappist | anyway I think we need a policy for it, and I vote for 'he'. Then for 'she', and I'd take 'he/she' before I'd be ok with 'they'. | 11:44 |
| mdke | he is fine | 11:44 |
| mdke | hey Burgwork did you see our new sexy html? | 11:45 |
| mdke | file:///usr/share/ubuntu-docs/html/desktopguide/C/index.html | 11:46 |
| Burgwork | on doc? | 11:46 |
| mdke | also on doc, yeah | 11:46 |
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| mdke | -> bed | 11:49 |
| robotgeek | mdke: typo alert in common-task.xml, openoffice.org section, "suit" should be suite | 12:03 |
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