[12:50] <LaserJock> It would be cool if we had a style guide validator script :-)
[03:13] <robotgeek> phew, had a blast fixing Package Manager (Adept) to Adept (Package Manager)
[03:14] <robotgeek> luckily, i wrote a script in python
[03:14] <Burgundavia> what is the window title?
[03:15] <Burgundavia> ie, what does it say on the menus?
[03:16] <robotgeek> well, the default dapper has Adept (Package Manager), but i moved my .kde folder from breezy, so i had Package Manager (Adept)
[03:16] <robotgeek> i did not realise it till yesterday
[04:21] <corey_> salut jsgotangco
[04:21] <jsgotangco> salut
[04:22] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco and Burgundavia 
[05:27] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot 
[05:27] <Madpilot> hi LaserJock 
[05:27] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[05:27] <Madpilot> good
[05:27] <Madpilot> we've got prettier docs than we had yesterday - cool banners on them
[05:27] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:28] <LaserJock> prettier docs are always nice to have
[05:38] <Madpilot> we've got a hardcore grammar geek on the list now too - good :P
[05:39] <kgoetz> hi all :)
[05:44] <LaserJock> hi kgoetz 
[05:45] <kgoetz> hi LaserJock
[05:45] <trappist> am I the only word nazi on the list?
[05:45] <LaserJock> Madpilot: yeah, except I'd like to turn him into a script ;-)
[05:46] <Madpilot> LaserJock, did you see one of robotgeek's emails, he mentioned using aspell for spellchecking our xml docs - I hadn't thought that was possible
[05:47] <trappist> hey I asked earlier but nobody responded - how about replacing unicode punctuation with html entities in html docs?
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot: i tried, but it asks for every tag - he must have a custom dict
[05:48] <LaserJock> I've used ispell/aspeel before with vim but I didn't know you could set the tag stuff
[05:49] <Madpilot> trappist, that would depend on the scripts used to build the HTML from our source XML/DocBook
[05:49] <Madpilot> Kamping_Kaiser, yeah, I've been meaning to ask on-list for more details about robotgeek's aspell trick
[05:49] <trappist> Madpilot: hrm.  I was looking at the source.  lemme refer to my original comments real quick so I can know what I'm talking about...
[05:50] <trappist> ubuntu/quicktour/quicktour.html
[05:50] <trappist> what's that built from?
[05:50] <trappist> nm, I see it
[05:50] <Madpilot> nothing, AFAIK, it's always just been HTML
[05:51] <trappist> there's a quicktour.xml in ubuntu/quicktour/C
[05:51] <trappist> with the unicode punctuation
[05:51] <Madpilot> ah, so there is - had no idea :P
[06:41] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot 
[06:42] <Madpilot> hi robotgeek 
[06:46] <robotgeek> aspell --mode=sgml --rem-sgml-skip="<screen>" -c add-applications.xml 
[06:46] <robotgeek> Madpilot: ^^
[06:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi robotgeek (brb :D)
[06:47] <Madpilot> thanks, noted
[06:52] <robotgeek> Madpilot: that's straight outta aspell --help :)
[06:52] <Madpilot> heh - servers me right for never really looking :P
[06:52] <Madpilot> *serves, rather
[06:53] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i looked it up for some other thing, really. for tex stuff, about 3 months ago
[06:58] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, are you sanskrit-savvy?
[06:58] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: unfortunately no
[06:58] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i can read, i think. i just would not know what it means
[06:59] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: hmm, i can refer you to an online dictionray
[07:00] <robotgeek> i would google for it anyways, lol
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi robotgeek
[07:04] <robotgeek> hey Kamping_Kaiser 
[07:04] <robotgeek> wb
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty.
[07:35] <Madpilot> we're supposed to be using en_US for our stuff, right?
[07:35] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUbuntuAppInstaller <-- sweet
[07:35] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia 
[07:36] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: it's almost empty?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> no, look at what they are doing
[07:36] <robotgeek> i was looking for shiny screenshots :P
[07:38] <Madpilot> robotgeek, do you know if there's a way to force aspell to use a different locale? I run en_CA, it's trying to "correct" the en_US spellings in our docs
[07:39] <jsgotangco> its just an entry for -ugly
[07:39] <jsgotangco> but still a big leap with regrads to easy install of restricted formats
[07:39] <robotgeek> Madpilot: aspell --help | less, look under Available Dictionaries
[07:40] <Madpilot> thanks - in the middle of running it now, faster to just ask here :P
[07:40] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, i just got there and look :P
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot: we use "C" don't we (aka en_US afaik)
[07:41] <robotgeek> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[07:41] <robotgeek> Kamping_Kaiser: are you going to translate to en_au, mate ;)
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> robotgeek: don't tempt me ;)
[07:44] <Madpilot> How to translate to en_CA: add "eh?" to the end of ~30% of all sentences. :P
[07:44] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: I wonder why just ugly
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Madpilot
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> mate :p
[07:44] <robotgeek> wow..www.python.org underwent a huge transformation
[07:45] <robotgeek> the documentation still sucks though
[07:59] <robotgeek> Madpilot: commit sprint, i see
[08:03] <Madpilot> committing two files counts as a sprint? :P
[08:04] <robotgeek> i've committed two also :)
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, so that's where all that spam comes from :P
[08:10] <Madpilot> trappist, are you Rocco?
[08:27] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yes, Rocco is trappist 
[08:28] <Madpilot> thought so
[08:33] <jsgotangco> nice patches
[08:34] <robotgeek> yup. 
[08:35] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, ping?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: pong
[08:36] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, do you know any good browser turn-based games?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> I play UrbanDead
[08:37] <Burgundavia> kind of fun, zombie game
[08:37] <jsgotangco> url?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> urbandead.com
[08:37] <Burgundavia> why do you ask?
[08:38] <jsgotangco> its for work
[08:38] <Burgundavia> ah, there are lots out there
[08:39] <Burgundavia> Earth 2025 was one a played a very long time ago. There is also a space merchant one that is quite good
[08:39] <Burgundavia> There are a few medieval/fantasy ones I have dabbled in over the years
[08:40] <jsgotangco> i wonder if there is something open source
[08:40] <Burgundavia> bryce harrington is working on mint
[08:40] <jsgotangco> ?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> http://endarchy.org/
[08:41] <Burgundavia> don't think it is playable
[08:41] <Burgundavia> the idea was to create a game to showcase SVG in the browser
[08:42] <jsgotangco> interesting
[08:42] <jsgotangco> i dont see an svg
[08:42] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:42] <Burgundavia> development is stalled however
[08:45] <jsgotangco> i'll look into this
[08:45] <Burgundavia> is your company looking to find an open source to work on?
[08:46] <jsgotangco> there was a concept by the art team
[08:46] <jsgotangco> but then, they're art people
[08:46] <jsgotangco> :)
[08:46] <jsgotangco> i want to check a framework
[08:46] <jsgotangco> and base on it if its workable
[08:47] <Burgundavia> there is also some concept are on the enarchy server. ping bryce
[08:47] <jsgotangco> the codebase for Mint is nowhere to be found though
[08:48] <Burgundavia> there is a development mailing list
[08:48] <mdke> morning
[08:48] <Burgundavia> morning mdke
[08:51] <jsgotangco> interesting
[08:51] <jsgotangco> ...
[08:51] <Burgundavia> google for mint-devel
[08:53] <jsgotangco> i could not connect to his website
[08:59] <Burgundavia> http://lists.outflux.net/mailman/listinfo/mint-devel
[09:10] <Burgundavia> very cool, someone has worked out pdf upstream
[09:12] <Madpilot> pdf upstream for what?
[09:12] <mdke> for the gnome docs
[09:14] <Burgundavia> automatic generation of pdf from docbook
[09:15] <mdke> Burgundavia, it's more a question of "how to install java" than "how to build pdf", that part is easy
[09:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:18] <mdke> nice backgrounds though
[09:20] <Burgundavia> ick, java
[09:21] <jsgotangco> it works
[09:22] <Burgundavia> so does windows, doesn't mean it good
[09:23] <jsgotangco> its what we have for now so bear with it
[09:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:23] <jsgotangco> until we have a free tolchain
[09:33] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, mdke sure makes a fine doc leader eh?
[09:33] <jsgotangco> :)
[09:34] <Burgundavia> sounds good to me
[09:34] <Burgundavia> is there some reason why you said that? (confused)
[09:34] <rob> jsgotangco, you've been giving a bit of mdke love lately :)
[09:35] <jsgotangco> none at all i was waiting for an mdke reaction heh
[11:06] <mdke> damn
[11:06] <mdke> cheeky bugger
[11:13] <Madpilot> heh
[11:15] <mdke> nice work on the DG, Madpilot 
[11:16] <mdke> cool spellchecker thing
[11:16] <Madpilot> it's robotgeek's trick, it was in one of his commit comments, I think
[11:17] <mdke> i haven't seen any of your comment questions, what is on your mind?
[11:17] <Madpilot> it's also built right into Bluefish, I've just realized :P
[11:19] <Madpilot> in our "how to install a .deb", there's no mention of the graphical deb installer?
[11:20] <Madpilot> or is that the 'just double-click on it' part? (need to fire up flight4 and find a .deb to install, obviously)
[11:21] <mdke> yes, it's the double click on it part
[11:22] <mdke> flight 4 doesn't have it in, but it will be working for dapper
[11:22] <Madpilot> OK
[11:23] <Madpilot> we still need a plain-English way of describing "spatial mode"
[11:23] <mdke> true
[11:24] <Madpilot> one that doesn't offend the folks who actually like that mode :P
[11:25] <Madpilot> most of the rest of the comments in UDG are about Dapper's possible changes in menu layout, so they'll have to wait a bit longer
[11:25] <mdke> oh right
[11:25] <mdke> what changes?
[11:28] <Madpilot> some of the utilities we mention have moved, I think - the System Tools menu is gone in Dapper, AFAIK
[11:28] <mdke> ok
[11:28] <mdke> we should use the menu entities to manage those things
[11:28] <mdke> &terminal; etc
[11:30] <Madpilot> yeah - I need to figure out how that stuff works, but it makes a lot of sense
[11:30] <mdke> it's pretty easy, see ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus.ent for the list of them
[11:30] <mdke> if you need to add one, make an entry there, and create the corresponding xml file by copying one of the existing ones :)
[11:37] <Madpilot> ah, OK - entry in gnome-menus-C.ent, and a new xml file in ubuntu/menus/C - that makes sense
[11:59] <mdke> Madpilot, i've committed the spatial thing, tell me what you think
[12:00] <Madpilot> yeah, that works, explains both modes
[12:07] <mdke> hmm two weeks before doc freeze
[12:09] <Madpilot> yeah - I think we're in good shape, though
[12:10] <mdke> me too
[12:14] <Madpilot> I'd like to add entries for the GIMP & Inkscape to Common Tasks, but they'll be short - "<app> can do <several cool things> and is on the menu <here>"
[12:15] <mdke> ok
[12:15] <mdke> inkscape comes up in gnome-office, and gimp is a dependency too, although I haven't mentioned it
[12:15] <mdke> you could deal with it there, or elsewhere if you prefer
[12:16] <Madpilot> so gnome-office is another big meta-package?
[12:16] <mdke> yes, I've written about it in common tasks/office
[12:16] <mdke> not a lot though
[12:17] <Madpilot> yeah
[12:17] <Madpilot> the GIMP is in by default, AFAIK - don't think Inkscape is
[12:17] <mdke> that's right
[12:21] <Madpilot> anyway, I'll think about that tomorrow - need sleep.
[12:21] <Madpilot> later, mdke 
[12:21] <mdke> night
[02:26] <jsgotangco> heh nice what i see on gnome-doc list
[02:26] <jsgotangco> it means our toolchain works
[06:08] <Burgwork> morning all
[06:08] <highvoltage> morning Mr Burger
[06:09] <highvoltage> Burgwork: did you know, one of the big newpapers in South Africa is called "Die Burger" ?
[06:09] <mdke> hi Burgwork 
[06:10] <Burgwork> that means, The Citizen
[06:10] <Burgwork> oh, wait, sorry highvoltage 
[06:10] <Burgwork> I read LaserJock for some reason
[06:10] <highvoltage> no, it does, you're right :)
[06:11] <highvoltage> hi mdke
[06:11] <mdke> yo
[06:12] <Burgwork> salut mdke 
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi folks
[06:13] <Burgwork> highvoltage, do you speak Afrikaans?
[06:13] <highvoltage> Burgwork: yep, my first language
[06:14] <Burgwork> i have great grandad or something that was president of one of the boer repulics
[06:14] <Burgwork> republics, even
[06:14] <highvoltage> weird :)
[07:03] <glatzor> any gnome-app-install or update-manager documentation guys arround?
[07:06] <LaserJock> hmm, might be some
[07:06] <LaserJock> do you have a question/suggestion about it?
[07:15] <glatzor> It is about the used terminology. I am doing a string review.
[07:16] <LaserJock> ah, you might be better off emailing the ubuntu-doc list
[07:16] <glatzor> i will try later again. so bye LaserJock
[08:23] <Burgwork> mdke, they actually gave you upload rights?
[08:25] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I think it was just because he had the changelog entry
[08:34] <Burgwork> likely, but I wondered if they were loosing their minds ;)
[08:38] <LaserJock> naw, they just decided to give the doc team members core-dev status ;-)
[08:38] <Burgwork> really?
[08:39] <LaserJock> good luck
[08:40] <highvoltage> bye!
[11:07] <mdke> Burgwork, yeah what LaserJock said
[11:21] <mdke> does the latest docs package work alright?
[11:26] <LaserJock> are their any newer iso's than Flight4 that are working
[11:26] <trappist> I thought we had a Flight5 now
[11:26] <mdke> dailies maybe
[11:27] <LaserJock> I'd like to install dapper something in OSX but Flight4 didn't work
[11:28] <mdke> i changed the browser homepage a bit, it seems to work here
[11:28] <LaserJock> if I had dapper at the moment I'd test it :(
[11:28] <trappist> if you guys have a few minutes, I wonder if you have any input on my recent posts to the list
[11:30] <mdke> trappist, ok. on the server guide point, go ahead and make patches for the commas: the main server guide maintainer isn't a native english speaker so corrections are fine
[11:30] <trappist> mdke: yeah I've been doing all kinds of comma stuff.  My point there was that maybe the styleguide should get a clarification.
[11:31] <mdke> trappist, ok, i have no problem with that
[11:31] <LaserJock> having a style guide that people use is probably the other issue
[11:31] <mdke> indeed
[11:31] <mdke> but grammatical errors will always be present
[11:31] <mdke> review is good
[11:31] <trappist> yeah, it's actually kinda hard to find.  I don't think there's a link to it from our team page.
[11:32] <trappist> I find myself referring to the friggin xml because I can't remember where it is online.
[11:32] <Burgwork> UI freeze is tomorrow
[11:32] <mdke> trappist, doc.ubuntu.com
[11:33] <mdke> Burgwork, *nod*, I'm hoping seb will get to my yelp color patch :/
[11:39] <mdke> trappist, what were the other ones?
[11:39] <mdke> personal pronouns...
[11:40] <mdke> i have no view. I actually have no problem with "They" but I avoid using personal pronouns at all if possible
[11:40] <LaserJock> "they" seems better than "he/she" which is what a lot of people here do
[11:41] <Burgwork> why not just rewrite to say "you"?
[11:43] <trappist> well in this case, for example, the party in question is definitely in the third person, and I think any attempt to make it otherwise will only make things uglier.
[11:44] <trappist> anyway I think we need a policy for it, and I vote for 'he'.  Then for 'she', and I'd take 'he/she' before I'd be ok with 'they'.
[11:44] <mdke> he is fine
[11:45] <mdke> hey Burgwork did you see our new sexy html?
[11:46] <mdke> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-docs/html/desktopguide/C/index.html
[11:46] <Burgwork> on doc?
[11:46] <mdke> also on doc, yeah
[11:49] <mdke> -> bed
[12:03] <robotgeek> mdke: typo alert in common-task.xml, openoffice.org section, "suit" should be suite