=== WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@ppp139-2.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:50] It would be cool if we had a style guide validator script :-) === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:13] phew, had a blast fixing Package Manager (Adept) to Adept (Package Manager) [03:14] luckily, i wrote a script in python [03:14] what is the window title? [03:15] ie, what does it say on the menus? [03:16] well, the default dapper has Adept (Package Manager), but i moved my .kde folder from breezy, so i had Package Manager (Adept) [03:16] i did not realise it till yesterday === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-142-110.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-153-110.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === corey_ [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:21] salut jsgotangco [04:21] salut [04:22] hi jsgotangco and Burgundavia === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-187-6064.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kingbahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:27] hi Madpilot [05:27] hi LaserJock [05:27] how's it going? [05:27] good [05:27] we've got prettier docs than we had yesterday - cool banners on them [05:27] yeah [05:28] prettier docs are always nice to have === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:38] we've got a hardcore grammar geek on the list now too - good :P === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@ppp227-229.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:39] hi all :) === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp227-229.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:44] hi kgoetz [05:45] hi LaserJock [05:45] am I the only word nazi on the list? [05:45] Madpilot: yeah, except I'd like to turn him into a script ;-) [05:46] LaserJock, did you see one of robotgeek's emails, he mentioned using aspell for spellchecking our xml docs - I hadn't thought that was possible [05:47] hey I asked earlier but nobody responded - how about replacing unicode punctuation with html entities in html docs? === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.44] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:48] Madpilot: i tried, but it asks for every tag - he must have a custom dict [05:48] I've used ispell/aspeel before with vim but I didn't know you could set the tag stuff [05:49] trappist, that would depend on the scripts used to build the HTML from our source XML/DocBook [05:49] Kamping_Kaiser, yeah, I've been meaning to ask on-list for more details about robotgeek's aspell trick [05:49] Madpilot: hrm. I was looking at the source. lemme refer to my original comments real quick so I can know what I'm talking about... [05:50] ubuntu/quicktour/quicktour.html [05:50] what's that built from? [05:50] nm, I see it [05:50] nothing, AFAIK, it's always just been HTML [05:51] there's a quicktour.xml in ubuntu/quicktour/C [05:51] with the unicode punctuation [05:51] ah, so there is - had no idea :P === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-142-86.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:41] hey Madpilot [06:42] hi robotgeek [06:46] aspell --mode=sgml --rem-sgml-skip="" -c add-applications.xml [06:46] Madpilot: ^^ [06:47] hi robotgeek (brb :D) [06:47] thanks, noted [06:52] Madpilot: that's straight outta aspell --help :) [06:52] heh - servers me right for never really looking :P [06:52] *serves, rather === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-152-118.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:53] Madpilot: i looked it up for some other thing, really. for tex stuff, about 3 months ago [06:58] robotgeek, are you sanskrit-savvy? [06:58] jsgotangco: unfortunately no [06:58] jsgotangco: i can read, i think. i just would not know what it means === jsgotangco is trying to look for cool words for a brand [06:59] jsgotangco: hmm, i can refer you to an online dictionray [07:00] i would google for it anyways, lol [07:04] hi robotgeek [07:04] hey Kamping_Kaiser [07:04] wb [07:05] ty. === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-148-42.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:35] we're supposed to be using en_US for our stuff, right? [07:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUbuntuAppInstaller <-- sweet [07:35] hi Burgundavia [07:36] Burgundavia: it's almost empty? [07:36] no, look at what they are doing [07:36] i was looking for shiny screenshots :P [07:38] robotgeek, do you know if there's a way to force aspell to use a different locale? I run en_CA, it's trying to "correct" the en_US spellings in our docs === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-133-56.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:39] its just an entry for -ugly [07:39] but still a big leap with regrads to easy install of restricted formats [07:39] Madpilot: aspell --help | less, look under Available Dictionaries [07:40] thanks - in the middle of running it now, faster to just ask here :P [07:40] Madpilot: hmm, i just got there and look :P [07:40] Madpilot: we use "C" don't we (aka en_US afaik) [07:41] Kamping_Kaiser: yes [07:41] Kamping_Kaiser: are you going to translate to en_au, mate ;) [07:41] robotgeek: don't tempt me ;) === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:44] How to translate to en_CA: add "eh?" to the end of ~30% of all sentences. :P [07:44] jsgotangco: I wonder why just ugly [07:44] lol Madpilot [07:44] mate :p [07:44] wow..www.python.org underwent a huge transformation [07:45] the documentation still sucks though [07:59] Madpilot: commit sprint, i see [08:03] committing two files counts as a sprint? :P === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:04] i've committed two also :) [08:04] ah, so that's where all that spam comes from :P [08:10] trappist, are you Rocco? [08:27] Madpilot: yes, Rocco is trappist [08:28] thought so [08:33] nice patches [08:34] yup. [08:35] Burgundavia, ping? === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:36] jsgotangco: pong [08:36] Burgundavia, do you know any good browser turn-based games? [08:36] I play UrbanDead [08:37] kind of fun, zombie game [08:37] url? [08:37] urbandead.com [08:37] why do you ask? [08:38] its for work === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:38] ah, there are lots out there [08:39] Earth 2025 was one a played a very long time ago. There is also a space merchant one that is quite good [08:39] There are a few medieval/fantasy ones I have dabbled in over the years [08:40] i wonder if there is something open source [08:40] bryce harrington is working on mint [08:40] ? [08:41] http://endarchy.org/ [08:41] don't think it is playable [08:41] the idea was to create a game to showcase SVG in the browser === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:42] interesting [08:42] i dont see an svg [08:42] heh [08:42] development is stalled however [08:45] i'll look into this [08:45] is your company looking to find an open source to work on? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:46] there was a concept by the art team [08:46] but then, they're art people [08:46] :) [08:46] i want to check a framework [08:46] and base on it if its workable === mpt__ [n=mpt@222-154-153-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:47] there is also some concept are on the enarchy server. ping bryce [08:47] the codebase for Mint is nowhere to be found though [08:48] there is a development mailing list [08:48] morning [08:48] morning mdke [08:51] interesting [08:51] ... [08:51] google for mint-devel [08:53] i could not connect to his website [08:59] http://lists.outflux.net/mailman/listinfo/mint-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-170.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:10] very cool, someone has worked out pdf upstream [09:12] pdf upstream for what? [09:12] for the gnome docs === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [09:14] automatic generation of pdf from docbook [09:15] Burgundavia, it's more a question of "how to install java" than "how to build pdf", that part is easy [09:16] yeah [09:18] nice backgrounds though [09:20] ick, java [09:21] it works [09:22] so does windows, doesn't mean it good [09:23] its what we have for now so bear with it [09:23] heh [09:23] until we have a free tolchain [09:33] Burgundavia, mdke sure makes a fine doc leader eh? [09:33] :) [09:34] sounds good to me [09:34] is there some reason why you said that? (confused) [09:34] jsgotangco, you've been giving a bit of mdke love lately :) [09:35] none at all i was waiting for an mdke reaction heh === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-151-117.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke slaps js [11:06] damn [11:06] cheeky bugger [11:13] heh [11:15] nice work on the DG, Madpilot [11:16] cool spellchecker thing [11:16] it's robotgeek's trick, it was in one of his commit comments, I think [11:17] i haven't seen any of your comment questions, what is on your mind? [11:17] it's also built right into Bluefish, I've just realized :P [11:19] in our "how to install a .deb", there's no mention of the graphical deb installer? [11:20] or is that the 'just double-click on it' part? (need to fire up flight4 and find a .deb to install, obviously) [11:21] yes, it's the double click on it part [11:22] flight 4 doesn't have it in, but it will be working for dapper [11:22] OK [11:23] we still need a plain-English way of describing "spatial mode" [11:23] true [11:24] one that doesn't offend the folks who actually like that mode :P [11:25] most of the rest of the comments in UDG are about Dapper's possible changes in menu layout, so they'll have to wait a bit longer [11:25] oh right [11:25] what changes? [11:28] some of the utilities we mention have moved, I think - the System Tools menu is gone in Dapper, AFAIK [11:28] ok [11:28] we should use the menu entities to manage those things [11:28] &terminal; etc [11:30] yeah - I need to figure out how that stuff works, but it makes a lot of sense [11:30] it's pretty easy, see ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus.ent for the list of them [11:30] if you need to add one, make an entry there, and create the corresponding xml file by copying one of the existing ones :) [11:37] ah, OK - entry in gnome-menus-C.ent, and a new xml file in ubuntu/menus/C - that makes sense === mdke copies some stuff about spatial mode from the gnome docs === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-151-117.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:59] Madpilot, i've committed the spatial thing, tell me what you think [12:00] yeah, that works, explains both modes [12:07] hmm two weeks before doc freeze [12:09] yeah - I think we're in good shape, though [12:10] me too === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:14] I'd like to add entries for the GIMP & Inkscape to Common Tasks, but they'll be short - " can do and is on the menu " [12:15] ok [12:15] inkscape comes up in gnome-office, and gimp is a dependency too, although I haven't mentioned it [12:15] you could deal with it there, or elsewhere if you prefer [12:16] so gnome-office is another big meta-package? [12:16] yes, I've written about it in common tasks/office [12:16] not a lot though [12:17] yeah [12:17] the GIMP is in by default, AFAIK - don't think Inkscape is [12:17] that's right [12:21] anyway, I'll think about that tomorrow - need sleep. [12:21] later, mdke [12:21] night === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-140-14.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-131-33.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-131-33.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.120.2] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:26] heh nice what i see on gnome-doc list [02:26] it means our toolchain works === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-131-33.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] morning all [06:08] morning Mr Burger [06:09] Burgwork: did you know, one of the big newpapers in South Africa is called "Die Burger" ? [06:09] hi Burgwork [06:10] that means, The Citizen [06:10] oh, wait, sorry highvoltage [06:10] I read LaserJock for some reason [06:10] no, it does, you're right :) [06:11] hi mdke [06:11] yo [06:12] salut mdke [06:13] hi folks [06:13] highvoltage, do you speak Afrikaans? [06:13] Burgwork: yep, my first language [06:14] i have great grandad or something that was president of one of the boer repulics [06:14] republics, even [06:14] weird :) === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-75-114.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:03] any gnome-app-install or update-manager documentation guys arround? [07:06] hmm, might be some [07:06] do you have a question/suggestion about it? [07:15] It is about the used terminology. I am doing a string review. [07:16] ah, you might be better off emailing the ubuntu-doc list [07:16] i will try later again. so bye LaserJock === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:23] mdke, they actually gave you upload rights? [08:25] Burgwork: I think it was just because he had the changelog entry [08:34] likely, but I wondered if they were loosing their minds ;) [08:38] naw, they just decided to give the doc team members core-dev status ;-) === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [08:38] really? === Burgwork goes to upload gnome-session to revert to upstream's logout dialog [08:39] good luck [08:40] bye! === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-158-60.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:07] Burgwork, yeah what LaserJock said === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [11:21] does the latest docs package work alright? [11:26] are their any newer iso's than Flight4 that are working [11:26] I thought we had a Flight5 now [11:26] dailies maybe [11:27] I'd like to install dapper something in OSX but Flight4 didn't work === mdke tries the new docs package [11:28] i changed the browser homepage a bit, it seems to work here [11:28] if I had dapper at the moment I'd test it :( [11:28] if you guys have a few minutes, I wonder if you have any input on my recent posts to the list [11:30] trappist, ok. on the server guide point, go ahead and make patches for the commas: the main server guide maintainer isn't a native english speaker so corrections are fine [11:30] mdke: yeah I've been doing all kinds of comma stuff. My point there was that maybe the styleguide should get a clarification. [11:31] trappist, ok, i have no problem with that [11:31] having a style guide that people use is probably the other issue [11:31] indeed [11:31] but grammatical errors will always be present [11:31] review is good [11:31] yeah, it's actually kinda hard to find. I don't think there's a link to it from our team page. [11:32] I find myself referring to the friggin xml because I can't remember where it is online. [11:32] UI freeze is tomorrow [11:32] trappist, doc.ubuntu.com [11:33] Burgwork, *nod*, I'm hoping seb will get to my yelp color patch :/ [11:39] trappist, what were the other ones? [11:39] personal pronouns... [11:40] i have no view. I actually have no problem with "They" but I avoid using personal pronouns at all if possible [11:40] "they" seems better than "he/she" which is what a lot of people here do [11:41] why not just rewrite to say "you"? [11:43] well in this case, for example, the party in question is definitely in the third person, and I think any attempt to make it otherwise will only make things uglier. [11:44] anyway I think we need a policy for it, and I vote for 'he'. Then for 'she', and I'd take 'he/she' before I'd be ok with 'they'. [11:44] he is fine [11:45] hey Burgwork did you see our new sexy html? [11:46] file:///usr/share/ubuntu-docs/html/desktopguide/C/index.html [11:46] on doc? [11:46] also on doc, yeah === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:49] -> bed [12:03] mdke: typo alert in common-task.xml, openoffice.org section, "suit" should be suite