[03:34] <Spec[1] > does anyone have meeting logs for today's meeting?
[04:54] <bstc_ostl> Spec[1] :I have
[06:20] <Spec> bstc_ostl: any chance you can e-mail them to me at dragoncow@gmail.com ? :)
[06:25] <MarioMeyer> Spec, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/CC_2006-03-07
[07:52] <ajmitch> another MOTU meeting for me to miss
[11:39] <BlueFish> hey all
[11:39] <BlueFish> I have a slight problem
[11:39] <BlueFish> I'm dual booting with windows XP and Ubuntu breezy
[11:40] <BlueFish> now this might be a WinXP problem, but I get errors when I plays sound
[11:43] <Seveas> BlueFish, this is not the support channel...
[11:44] <BlueFish> oh sorry
[11:44] <BlueFish> I'll come back with something more relevent.
[12:58] <flint> greetings, it is early and cold in Vermont...
[01:01] <JaneW> hi everyone
[01:01] <JaneW> who is here
[01:01] <JaneW> ?
[01:02] <flint> JaneW, flint is flint... good morning, my girl child is vacationing from school, life is hell
[01:03] <JaneW> ogra: get*back*here!
[01:03] <ogra> heh
[01:03] <ogra> but i dont have much to tell today ...
[01:03] <JaneW> highvoltage: you in the house?
[01:03] <JaneW> pips1_away had to leave
[01:03] <jelkner> JaneW: don't let him lie to you, she dragging him to concerts and stuff... life's a *blast*!
[01:03] <JaneW> is mhz, spacey or jsgotangco here?
[01:03] <JaneW> and no kjcole
[01:03] <JaneW> ok let start anyway
[01:04] <jelkner> kjcole was at FOSE
[01:04] <jelkner> he may not make it here today
[01:04] <JaneW> ogra: please start, can you do a quick 2 week summary, since I was away last week?
[01:04] <flint> I did see George Clinton last night (note not the ex-president:^)
[01:04] <ogra> hum ...
[01:04] <ogra> i need to dig up last week then ....
[01:05] <flint> JaneW, last week we ended the meeting early remember Ollie?
[01:05] <JaneW> ogra: ok just this week then if it's a problem
[01:05] <highvoltage> flint: uhm, your previous president was Bill Clinton, not George Clinton ;)
[01:05] <ogra> this week i was mainly busy with fixing gnome-screensaver bugs ... there is not much to tell for it ... last week i built the first edubuntu-docs package with highvoltages docs and cared for the CD
[01:06] <JaneW> highvoltage 's docs? what the tuXlabs troubleshoot guide?
[01:06] <flint> highvoltage, jonathan it should have been George Clinton.  P-Funk would have been his cabinet.
[01:06] <highvoltage> flint: :)
[01:06] <ogra> over the weekend i did the last ltsp merges fro other peoples branches, this was the last merge, now ltsp wont change much apart from bugsfixing
[01:06] <highvoltage> JaneW: it's pre-release updates to our howto, which included some Edubuntu stuff
[01:07] <flint> ogra, you got a flight to test?
[01:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: ogra cleaned it up a bit and packaged it, in order to achieve first draft status in time, iirc
[01:07] <JaneW> nice, thanks
[01:07] <ogra> flint, flights are announced on the mailing list 
[01:07] <ogra> i doubt there will be one within this week ...
[01:07] <flint> ogra, just wanted you to know I am ready.
[01:07] <flint> :^)
[01:08] <ogra> note that producing a flight takes two full workdays for me ...
[01:08] <ogra> i cant bear to loose two days of a week currently
[01:08] <ogra> highvoltage, it has a bug, i'll fix it today 
[01:08] <JaneW> ogra: when do we expect the next flight? Next week possibly?
[01:08] <ogra> but feel free to send me changes
[01:09] <highvoltage> ogra: where can i get the ubuntu docs on my system?
[01:09] <flint> excellent work you two.  my only question is does the apt-get alter the default page of the browser to show the docs?
[01:09] <JaneW> how is our testing and bug fixing going this cycle?
[01:09] <ogra> JaneW, likely ... i dont know what Kamion does, i guess he wants espresso in shape before the next flight
[01:09] <flint> ..to reveal the docs...
[01:09] <JaneW> yes espresso is his main priority, infinity may do the next flight
[01:09] <ogra> highvoltage, /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ i think
[01:09] <highvoltage> flint: i would suggest that the main page link to the docs
[01:10] <highvoltage> ogra: ok thanks, i looked in /edubuntu-docs/
[01:10] <ogra> flint, it will 
[01:10] <flint> highvoltage, bingo.  I know how to do this...
[01:10] <ogra> highvoltage, you asked for ubuntu-docs :)
[01:10] <flint> ogra, ...and so do you... thanks.
[01:11] <highvoltage> ogra: oops! ogra, I can't find the edubuntu docs :/
[01:11] <ogra> apart from that i'm currently fiddling with the artwork package
[01:11] <ogra> there must be 2 html pages 
[01:11] <ogra> but they have a bug, the patch is wrong ... i havent looked into it yet 
[01:12] <ogra> *path
[01:12] <ogra> if you cant find them, just get the source packlage 
[01:12] <highvoltage> ogra: i got it, i think i was to hasty in getting there
[01:12] <ogra> apt-get source edubuntu-docs
[01:13] <spacey> hi ;o
[01:13] <JaneW> ogra: how is the roadmap to the release looking? Do you want to publish something on the wiki?
[01:13] <JaneW> hi spacey 
[01:13] <highvoltage> oosh. /me finds some old typos.
[01:13] <ogra> not yet ... i'm to busy with ubuntu stuff ...
[01:13] <highvoltage> ogra: can I just make changes to that html file, and send it back to you?
[01:13] <ogra> the screensaver still needs a lot of love 
[01:13] <ogra> yup
[01:14] <ogra> thats why i picked html ...
[01:14] <highvoltage> ok excellent.
[01:14] <flint> ogra, I am really sorry I missed mdz's performance in London - not! :^)
[01:14] <ogra> we can convert it later into something sane
[01:14] <ogra> (and if we miss that we still have html :) )
[01:14] <highvoltage> yep :) (i'm completely fine with html)
[01:15] <ogra> oh, i'm working on a edubuntu menu logo, many people were intrested in that 
[01:15] <highvoltage> ogra: about the testing, do you feel that we need more testing, and can you elaborate on where we need more testing?
[01:15] <JaneW> so where does that leave us ito the cook book?
[01:15] <ogra> highvoltage, all the time ...
[01:15] <flint> highvoltage, I standby ready to test.
[01:15] <JaneW> ogra: yay thanks - re logo, that will help
[01:16] <ogra> highvoltage, major area is ltap and indeed the edu stuff that distinguishes use from ubuntu 
[01:16] <highvoltage> ogra: i've been testing it quite intensely for the last week or so, and I can't find new things that's wrong with it anymore
[01:16] <flint> ogra, ltap == ltsp?
[01:16] <ogra> JaneW, it doesnt look much different ... i even doubt people recognize the difference at this size ...
[01:16] <highvoltage> cross bewteen ldap and ltsp?"
[01:16] <ogra> flint, yes
[01:17] <flint> ogra, so inventing new protocols again eh? :^)
[01:17] <ogra> highvoltage, the fix for the ssh-key creation sould be in the package this week ... so there will be testinstalls needed
[01:17] <JaneW> ogra: I think ppl notice it's not right, but may not notice when it is...
[01:17] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[01:18] <jelkner> ogra: what does ltap stand for?
[01:18] <ogra> for a typo
[01:18] <flint> jelkner, it was a typo!!
[01:18] <jelkner> sorry ;-)
[01:18] <ogra> s is aside a on my keyboard ... :)
[01:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: on the cookbook question, i think that dapper won't include the entire cookbook, just the software and technical module updates from tuxlab howto 2.0
[01:19] <JaneW> ok, but does that mean all the other cook book effort was in vain, or will that still be used?
[01:19] <highvoltage> ogra: can you confirm that i'm correct there?
[01:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: it will still be used
[01:19] <jelkner> JaneW: have you seen the wiki?
[01:19] <ogra> highvoltage, yes
[01:19] <JaneW> ok, good
[01:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: the new modules will just be swallowed by the work already done
[01:20] <JaneW> jelkner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook ?
[01:20] <ogra> JaneW, its just not ready enough yet ...
[01:20] <jelkner> JaneW: and it won't be by release
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: ok, so we can publish it on the wiki then etc
[01:20] <jelkner> the cookbook is shaping up to be a community document
[01:20] <ogra> but we wont ship without docs, thats why we coose the current path 
[01:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: but we will have the basic documentation covered
[01:21] <jelkner> it will evolve as users submit "recipes" on how they use Edubuntu
[01:21] <JaneW> jelkner: ok, but let's not lose momentum and let it die out. It needs to be finished and used
[01:21] <JaneW> ok
[01:21] <highvoltage> which covers installation, troubleshooting, basic tweaking, some very basic administration, etc.
[01:21] <spacey> how to get online
[01:21] <spacey> :P
[01:21] <jelkner> JaneW: kevin and i plan to continue meeting to work on it
[01:21] <spacey> to look for more docs
[01:21] <ogra> hehe
[01:22] <jelkner> but it will be much easier for us *after* dapper is released
[01:22] <jelkner> we won't have to write about a moving target
[01:22] <highvoltage> i think the edubuntu cookbook is a big job, i have confidence in flint's drive in it
[01:22] <JaneW> jelkner: excellent, thank-you :))
[01:22] <ogra> jelkner, but everything you wrote is obsolete then 
[01:22] <highvoltage> (and jelkner and kevin, of course) :)
[01:22] <ogra> since we have a new moving target
[01:22] <jelkner> ogra: why?
[01:22] <JaneW> jelkner: I thought you liked a challenge
[01:22] <JaneW> jelkner: but point taken
[01:23] <JaneW> jelkner: so you'll finish just in time to start the next version
[01:23] <highvoltage> perhaps it's just a bigger challenge for ogra to keep good backward compatibility with settings :)
[01:23] <JaneW> ?
[01:23] <jelkner> lol
[01:23] <highvoltage> this version is a bigger job than future versions,
[01:23] <spacey> anyway i fill fix up the hardware requirements page of the cookbook before next meeting
[01:23] <highvoltage> because the first version was based on K12-LTSP
[01:23] <ogra> jelkner, 80% of the stuff i'd have written for breezy would have to be wiped for dapper the distro changes with every release
[01:23] <spacey> that worksheet is completely empty btw
[01:23] <JaneW> spacey: thanks
[01:23] <highvoltage> once it's edubunturised, it will be easier to update
[01:23] <jelkner> as it grows, it will be easier to update
[01:23] <JaneW> oh and congrats to spacey
[01:23] <spacey> does it correspond with the work that has been done?
[01:23] <spacey> JaneW: thanks :)
[01:23] <JaneW> he was granted ubuntu memebership yesterday
[01:24] <highvoltage> what's currently the biggest challenge with the cookbook?
[01:24] <highvoltage> spacey: cool, congrats!
[01:24] <spacey> yey thanks
[01:24] <spacey> :P
[01:24] <jelkner> highvoltage: getting people to submit recipes
[01:24] <flint> never forget the groucho marx quote "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members." 
[01:24] <flint> :^)
[01:24] <highvoltage> ah, right. it's more than just a howto, right? it contains a bunch of mini-howto's too?
[01:25] <jelkner> highvoltage: exactly
[01:25] <highvoltage> jelkner: i could get you some tuxlab-specific recipies, which could be modified.
[01:25] <jelkner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook
[01:25] <spacey> well you need to cover the basics first
[01:25] <mhz> spacey: wow! congrats!!
[01:25] <jelkner> highvoltage: go for it
[01:25] <spacey> mhz: ty:)
[01:26] <highvoltage> jelkner: i'll try to have it upline before the end of the meeting
[01:26] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet <<-- almost empty
[01:26] <highvoltage> *online
[01:27] <flint> spacey, congratulations on the membership btw...
[01:27] <spacey> ty
[01:27] <flint> ok, regarding the book, I think what you lack is an editor.
[01:28] <highvoltage> flint: i thought you were the editor?
[01:28] <jelkner> flint: kevin and i will do that
[01:28] <JaneW> highvoltage: no jelkner and kjcole are editing
[01:28] <flint> highvoltage, see what i mean?  writers love to be editors...
[01:28] <spacey> jelkner: maybe add an extra column which describes the status(completed, wip, etc) for each chapter to the worksheet.
[01:28] <flint> like programmers love to be developers...
[01:28] <JaneW> spacey: that's a good idea
[01:28] <jelkner> good idea, spacey, i'll add that presently...
[01:29] <highvoltage> flint: if i love to create, what does that make me?
[01:29] <JaneW> jelkner: : you can use my cool colours too
[01:29] <JaneW> highvoltage: a father?
[01:29] <JaneW> *duck*
[01:29] <flint> jelkner, you are the writer, not the editor.  an editor manages the work.
[01:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: eh.. not yet, no :)
[01:29] <JaneW> highvoltage: sorry, just kidding
[01:29] <highvoltage> :)
[01:29] <flint> JaneW, you do as good a job of this as anyone... but I would say your plate is full.
[01:30] <JaneW> I could look at *some* of it
[01:30] <highvoltage> you know, when it comes to writing, there's nothing like a bit of pressure
[01:30] <JaneW> but can;t volunteer for the whole job as I'd never manage to finish it
[01:30] <flint> highvoltage, it makes you a jewel, a pearl of rare price...
[01:30] <highvoltage> what about setting a deadline, even if it's unreasonable, for say, the end of April for a complete first draft?
[01:31] <jelkner> ok, status column is there.  kjcoloe and i will update that this sunday
[01:31] <spacey> maybe also add some quality control, personally i think each chapter should at least be checked twice by other persons. a tech person and a grammer nazi.
[01:31] <highvoltage> and then we make someone like flint the editor and give him the whip?
[01:31] <flint> highvoltage, indeed a writer needs a fixed goal. 
[01:31] <flint> highvoltage, oh i so much prefer the blade...
[01:31] <highvoltage> spacey: absolutely
[01:31] <highvoltage> flint: that can be arranged
[01:32] <flint> JaneW, or deadline is march 26 or so.  where is that url?
[01:32] <JaneW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[01:32] <flint> thank you jane
[01:32] <JaneW> March 23rd
[01:32] <JaneW> Doc Freeze
[01:33] <spacey> so
[01:33] <highvoltage> i don't think it's realistic that a high-quality, finished document will be available by then :/
[01:33] <flint> JaneW, indeed i misspoke from memory.
[01:33] <spacey> thats hard work :P
[01:34] <flint> highvoltage, you can have it good, cheap or fast.  pick two.
[01:34] <highvoltage> flint: good, cheap
[01:35] <highvoltage> perhaps we should arrange another meeting for docs?
[01:35] <highvoltage> JaneW: time to move on?
[01:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes
[01:35] <JaneW> ok, web site?
[01:35] <highvoltage> sure.
[01:35] <highvoltage> the proto.edubuntu.org.za is set up
[01:36] <JaneW> but we can't see it...
[01:36] <highvoltage> i'll send the username and passowrd to everyone with gpg keys on launchpad soon
[01:36] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok thanks :)
[01:36] <highvoltage> there's not much to see at the moment, Znarl could only give me login access to the server today
[01:36] <JaneW> highvoltage: so how does it look?
[01:36] <highvoltage> so the theming fun will only start from now
[01:36] <JaneW> oic
[01:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: like a very dull plain drupal site
[01:37] <JaneW> highvoltage: have you got your ideas worked out?
[01:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: due to change shortly
[01:37] <JaneW> great
[01:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep, mostly.
[01:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: i haven't worked out how they'll fit in with philips plans, but we'll make it work.
[01:37] <JaneW> ok, are the 2 of you in contact?
[01:38] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, almost every day
[01:38] <JaneW> there are only about 5 weeks to get everything sorted, with Easter in between
[01:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: excellent thanks
[01:38] <highvoltage> Easter is probably when I'll get the bulk of it done
[01:38] <highvoltage> i'd like to get the theming and layout sorted ASAP
[01:38] <JaneW> oh... yay then
[01:38] <highvoltage> and then pump in content, especially over easter
[01:38] <highvoltage> when people stop bothering me
[01:39] <JaneW> are you wroking independently from the official 6.04 theme?
[01:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: also we are thinking about using that wallpaper I showed earlier - esp if the guy tones it down a notch
[01:40] <highvoltage> i looked at the style-guides, apart from that, i haven't seen a 6.04 theme yet
[01:40] <JaneW> for the young version anyway
[01:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think he'll need to tone it down quite drastically, it won't look nice in a lab if it's repeated over 20+ PC's, but i'll send him my suggestions as well
[01:41] <JaneW> ogra: which one will be the dfeault again? the older one?
[01:41] <highvoltage> ogra: with theming, at one stage it was discussed that debconf will ask which art set you want. is that dapper+1? (i'm thinking cd space here)
[01:41] <ogra> JaneW, mid age+
[01:41] <highvoltage> edubuntu girl :)
[01:41] <JaneW> ogra: right
[01:41] <ogra> highvoltage, nope
[01:42] <ogra> we'll install mid age by default 
[01:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: so that wouldn't be in a lab unless the young one is chosen
[01:42] <highvoltage> ok.
[01:42] <ogra> the admin can dpkg-reconfigure the edubuntu-artwork package
[01:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: I expect home users are more loikely to chose the young install
[01:42] <highvoltage> ogra: will all the wallpapers be installed by default, so that a user can choose another one?
[01:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: but can you contact him? or should I?
[01:42] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[01:42] <highvoltage> JaneW: I don't mind contacting him
[01:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool thanks - you have a better artistic eye too :)
[01:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: I think i will regardless, but you can contact him too if you want
[01:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: :)
[01:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: you negotiate the changes, and I'll negotioate that he's happy we ship with it (if we do). Ok?
[01:43] <JaneW> flint: and you will be happy that it's diversity sensitive
[01:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes sir!
[01:43] <highvoltage> erm.. mam!
[01:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll check with the diversification as well ;)
[01:44] <highvoltage> but we can make sure that the others are happy too
[01:44] <flint> JaneW, absolutely.
[01:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: we'll def get a vote on it first
[01:44] <JaneW> it will NOT be on my head this time
[01:45] <highvoltage> JaneW: of course
[01:45] <JaneW> we are talking about a modification of this btw http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Children_Of_Edubuntu_1024x768.png
[01:45] <JaneW> for the Junior wallpaper
[01:46] <highvoltage> i'm going to suggest that he makes the heads much smaller, put them at the left halfway in the brown part
[01:46] <highvoltage> with the edubuntu logo at the right
[01:46] <highvoltage> then make the hill smaller, and add some more hills
[01:46] <highvoltage> and put the rainbow on the hill thats closest to the edubuntu logo.
[01:46] <ogra> be carefull with the red logo on the green background
[01:46] <highvoltage> something like that, and then we modify from there
[01:47] <highvoltage> ogra: yeah, the edubuntu logo will have to be more or less completely in the brown
[01:47] <highvoltage> ogra, JaneW: are we very strict that the edubuntu logo should keep its colours?
[01:47] <ogra> or add a drop shadow if you put it on green ... just dont put it plain into the green
[01:47] <highvoltage> if you look at the Ubuntu wallpaper, they modified the logo to fit in with the wallpaper
[01:48] <highvoltage> ogra: ok. i agree.
[01:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes the logo is the logo now, we can;t tinker with it
[01:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: so yo are saying he must totally change it! lol (but I agree)
[01:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: no, not totally change it, just possible fade it, or make the colours more neutral
[01:50] <JaneW> yup, agreed
[01:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: like Ubuntu's artwork
[01:50] <JaneW> the hues on the current wall paper are nice
[01:50] <highvoltage> they are. they remind me of mario brothers, somehow. makes me nostalgic.
[01:50] <mhz> :)
[01:51] <highvoltage> it has an element of fun that other distro's don't have
[01:51] <JaneW> yup
[01:51] <JaneW> it's very discriminatory though
[01:51] <JaneW> makes me feel marginalised
[01:52] <JaneW> because they have no noses ;)
[01:52] <JaneW> lol
[01:52] <mhz> lol  -->  EdubuntuGirl_1024x76..> 31-Dec-1969 19:00   56K
[01:52] <JaneW> mhz: oh!
[01:52] <JaneW> gosh, ok edubuntu - the distro with no nose
[01:53] <ogra> damned 
[01:53] <ogra> we'll get tons of complaints again
[01:54] <mhz> highvoltage: when I could finally upload/submit 1 wallpaper for edubuntu dapper (1 month ago or so) it was never shown. Was that too ugly? Then I tried to upload 2 more... unsuccessfully 
[01:54] <highvoltage> ogra: we'll just cut off their noses, then they can't complain
[01:54] <JaneW> ok, do we have anymore real topics to discuss?
[01:54] <highvoltage> mhz: the people on your wallpapers had noses. this is unacceptable!
[01:54] <mhz> lol
[01:54] <highvoltage> mhz: where did you upload it, can we have a look again?
[01:55] <mhz> highvoltage: a.u.c
[01:55] <JaneW> mhz: to the artwork site?
[01:55] <mhz> it took me like 10 minutes to figure out how to do it :(
[01:55] <JaneW> mhz: they were prolly never processes - I will log in and look...
[01:56] <mhz> JaneW: it is ok, I usually end up disliking my ideas for artwork when I look at them after 2 weeks :)
[01:56] <ogra> yeah they need an admin to promote them
[01:56] <JaneW> hrm, if I find my login I will do it
[01:56] <ogra> just FYI:
[01:56] <mhz> lol
[01:56] <ogra> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/total.html.en
[01:56] <ogra> thats the download stats for the swedish mirror 
[01:57] <ogra> according to it, edubuntu was downloaded 842005 times sucessfully from there between 3 NOV and today
[01:57] <ogra> err yesterday
[01:58] <mhz> hmm, why there are 5 wallpapers dated 1969, same person?
[01:58] <ogra> they are from the early days of ubuntu ;)
[01:58] <mhz> ogra: is that little or lot?\
[01:58] <mhz> ogra: lol
[01:58] <highvoltage> ogra: oh my word, that's a *lot* of edubuntu downloads!
[01:58] <ogra> eighthundrethousand ? 
[01:58] <ogra> is that little or lot ?
[01:59] <ogra> :)
[01:59] <mhz> ooohhhhhhh, times downloaded!!!!?????
[01:59] <highvoltage> it's more than 9 terrabytes of download, if i read correctly
[01:59] <ogra> we're still 40000 behind Kubuntu :)
[01:59] <mhz> (more than usual)
[02:00] <mhz> ogra: could that info be wrong?
[02:00] <mhz> or not accurate?
[02:00] <ogra> unlikely
[02:00] <JaneW> ogra: oh we told silbs 100 000, when we should have said 1 000 000
[02:00] <mhz> maybe 'tries' to be donwloaded?
[02:00] <JaneW> but that sounds WAY too high to me
[02:00] <ogra> thats a very big university, i think they get the stats for their servers right
[02:01] <ogra> JaneW, look in #c :)
[02:01] <ogra> i dont think the stats are wrong ... 
[02:01] <ogra> (we might interpret them wrongly though... but i doubt that)
[02:01] <highvoltage> JaneW: in this case, our estimates of a few thousand was way pesimistic this morning :)
[02:01] <JaneW> ogra: what you posted here is magnitude of 10 more
[02:01] <ogra> yes
[02:02] <ogra> but what we looked at was a weekly stat
[02:02] <JaneW> goeie genaade!
[02:02] <ogra> so it sounds about right
[02:03] <mhz> JaneW: will edubuntu be shipped this tiem?
[02:03] <mhz> time
[02:03] <mhz> highvoltage: c ya
[02:03] <ogra> yes
[02:03] <flint> later jonathan!!!
[02:03] <JaneW> mhz: not yet official
[02:03] <ogra> only the install CD though
[02:03] <JaneW> mhz: but a probable yes
[02:03] <JaneW> *bounce*
[02:04] <JaneW> bye highvoltage 
[02:04] <ogra> (make that a *very* likely)
[02:04] <JaneW> thank-you
[02:04] <mhz> JaneW: what does this depend on?
[02:04] <JaneW> mhz: management
[02:04] <ogra> mhz, management decisions 
[02:04] <mhz> again?
[02:04] <mhz> hehehe
[02:04] <ogra> always
[02:05] <ogra> but its pretty sure already that we'll get it
[02:05] <JaneW> mhz: that's how companies work :P
[02:05] <mhz> will ubuntu design guys provide CD artwork?
[02:05] <mhz> ubuntu = caninial
[02:05] <mhz> canonical
[02:06] <mhz> .oO(sloppy fingers!)
[02:09] <mhz> hello?
[02:09] <JaneW> mhz: I *think* so
[02:09] <JaneW> ok is this meeting over?
[02:09] <ogra> i'd think so
[02:10] <JaneW> mhz: but if the compnay ships them officially, I think the packaging will be official too
[02:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco: good timing :P
[02:10] <ogra> even jsgotangco comes to clean up the room ... must be over 
[02:10] <ogra> :)
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra: hahaha
[02:10] <mhz> JaneW: then, no need to provide it via community?
[02:11] <JaneW> mhz: not AFAIK
[02:11] <jsgotangco> eh?
[02:11] <jsgotangco> i just finished the day with an edubuntu talk
[02:11] <ogra> cool :)
[02:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, you missed the download stats look for edubuntu: http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/total.html.en
[02:12] <ogra> :)
[02:12] <jsgotangco> nnohting to report for me for now till i make an upload this weekend
[02:12] <spacey> :)
[02:12] <jsgotangco> i'll make you guys busy next week
[02:13] <jsgotangco> ZOMG
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[02:13] <sivang> still edubuntu? :)
[02:13] <flint> sivang, we are just breaking up...
[02:13] <flint> JaneW, expect an email. sksk
[02:16] <JaneW> sksk?
[02:16] <JaneW> thanks everyone
[02:17] <jsgotangco> cheers