[12:15] <doko> lamont: will be demoted to universe, if that helps
[12:18] <jbailey> Demoting lamont?  Say it's not so!
[12:21] <lamont> jbailey: sigh
[12:21] <doko> "if that helps" =)
[12:21] <jbailey> doko: It would mean less work for him to do. =)
[12:22] <lamont> doko: it's more that once gcj-4.0 builds on i386, then libgcj6 becomes uninstallable on any architecture that's not done building it yet
[12:22] <lamont> at least, every time you bump the versioned depend on libgcj-common
[12:22] <doko> jbailey: just send you email about glibc on powerpc
[12:22] <lamont> that's actually more of an archive issue than a doko issue, but it's more fun to blame doko
[12:22] <doko> lamont: good hint, will fix that
[12:22] <jbailey> doko: Cool, thanks.
[12:23] <lamont> doko: the issue is that libgcj-common is arch: all
[12:23] <doko> lamont: can you get some hppa guys to fix the java thing?
[12:23] <jbailey> doko: Just on the phone with a customer.  I haven't looked at your email yet, sorry. =(
[12:23] <lamont> and the archive stuff drops earlier versions of it, even though arch: foo still needs it, since there's a newer package of that name.
[12:23] <lamont> doko: I think someone is working on it, but dunno with what speed.
[12:23] <lamont> what exactly is the failure?
[12:23] <lamont> or issue
[12:24] <doko> http://lists.parisc-linux.org/pipermail/parisc-linux/2006-February/028428.html
[12:25] <doko> http://lists.parisc-linux.org/pipermail/parisc-linux/2006-February/028439.html
[12:25] <doko> http://lists.parisc-linux.org/pipermail/parisc-linux/2006-March/028470.html
[12:26] <lamont> -Wl,-soname -Wl,liba1.so.0 
[12:27] <lamont> it had email yesterday, so that's a good sign
[12:29] <jbailey> doko: So it *doesn't* do it on Ubuntu now?
[12:34] <doko> no, don't ask me why ... I did repeat both test-suites on the same machine (Power5)
[12:35] <doko> lamont: what exactly is the problem with libgcj-common? there is no versioned dependency on it
[12:43] <jbailey> doko: It can still be discrepancies between the glibc on Debian and the one in Ubuntu.
[12:43] <jbailey> They're using gcc-4 in Debian, they have some extra patches and such.
[12:43] <jbailey> Because of the Dapper lifecycle, I've tried to be *really* conservative.
[12:43] <jbailey> The excitement starts for us the day after Dapper releases.
[12:43] <jbailey> MWAHAHAHAHAHA
[12:43] <doko> yes, seems to be a good decision ...
[12:44] <jbailey> Well, ideally a week before so that all new things in 6.10 get build with gcc-4.1, glibc-2.4.
[12:44] <jbailey> I argued with drow a bit about this, I didn't think it was a good decision for Debian either.
[01:00] <lamont> gcj-4.0-base Depends: libgcj-common (>= 4.0.2-8) bu t4.2.0-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[01:00] <lamont> or something like that
[01:14] <doko> lamont: that's an unversioned dependency now, but honestly I didn't expect hppa that far behind ...
[06:26] <lamont> doko: hppa has been offline (and remains so) ever since the switch to soyuz.  I'm hoping that we get buildd's online in the DC sometime in the next week or so.
[11:57] <doko> fabione, infinity: cmov is everywhere, even in hoary in sarge, looking further ...
[12:50] <infinity> doko: <blink>.. You'd think we would have had complaints before now if it was actually causing a problem...
[12:59] <doko> infinity: we do have the kernel emulation for it turned on?
[01:02] <infinity> I have no idea if there even is kernel emulation for it.
[01:02] <infinity> But Sarge users (many of whom are custom-kernel-compiling types) would be screaming if Sarge didn't work on the old C3..
[01:02] <infinity> So maybe we're not seeing what we think we're seeing here.