| raphink | i've got a powerbook around, but it's running breezy | 12:03 |
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| Tonio_ | mornfall: that's terrific....... | 12:03 |
| robotgeek | i have a ibook running dapper, what do we need? | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: a conflict or bug with a specific lib or package freeflying-ibook would install ? | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | sounds amazing he has the issue on 2 machines at the same time | 12:04 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: can Fn+F3 function as mute on your ibook | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: what is your computer language installed ? | 12:04 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: zh_CN | 12:04 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: i have no idea -- i'd say it's fairly obscure :) | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: issue with utf8 maybe ? | 12:04 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: shouldn't... but i can't exclude | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: good test would be to install it in english on one machine and let us know maybe | 12:05 |
| mornfall | freeflying-ibook: tried in C locale? or en_US? | 12:05 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: and have you the OSD for Fn+Fx | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: in fact there is no logic reason, so let's think illogical issue ;) | 12:05 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: uno momento, booting up :) | 12:05 |
| freeflying-ibook | mornfall: u'd fix that at all , u can not tell all chinese user to use en_US locels :) | 12:06 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: uni momento ? | 12:06 |
| mornfall | freeflying-ibook: i can try, but i need to know reason first | 12:06 |
| freeflying-ibook | mornfall: ok , I;ll test for you | 12:06 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: well, i don't get a popup for mute. the other buttons works | 12:06 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: all Fn+Fx can works well when I test on flight-2 livecd | 12:07 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: u can get the test report from wiki | 12:08 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: but now there problems | 12:08 |
| robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Apple_iBookG4_12in_1%2e26GHZ is mine. | 12:09 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/Kubuntuflight-2livecdonibook mine | 12:10 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: hmm, okay. file bug and i can also confirm? | 12:11 |
| robotgeek | it's not a locale issue, mine is en_US | 12:11 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: so strange , guys told me that konqueror hass problem with save their passwd , but I have never met | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: hum.......... I implemented a feature to automanage kwallet | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | than can cause issues, but according to my tests, it's nice | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | let me test | 12:13 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: bugs 31365 | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: hum........... works perfectly here, and I install 1 hour ago ;) | 12:14 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: konqueror's problem took place about one week ago, and I have never met | 12:14 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: adept ? | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: that's the moment I added that new feature indeed | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: nope passwords saving with konqueror is nice | 12:15 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: should i change status to confirmed? | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: didn't they refused konqueror's access to kwallet while using it for the first time ? | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | if they were not using it, that can be a reason | 12:16 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: guys tell me something maybe bugs , but I can not reproduce them | 12:16 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: sure | 12:16 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: But I have never use kwallet | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: dunno without more informations | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | need more details | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | what happens exactly ? do they use kwallet ? what happens on a new kde profile ? | 12:17 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: can BT adaptor works on your ibook ? | 12:17 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: i dont have inbuilt | 12:18 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: they don't use kwallet | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: so that's not a kwallet issue........ | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't perform any konqueror config change except today | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | no change on that point | 12:19 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: ya , for example , I needn't input my ID;pass for lauchpad when I access to it , but others had to | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: hum......... would be interesting to know what happens on a fresh profile | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | too many changes between breezy and dapper to be sure some profiles may not crash | 12:20 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: ok , I'll do freshinstall on my ibook and desktop | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | and therefore, new k-d-s settings are not applyied of rc files have been manually by users before | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | so only a test on a virgin profile can give an evidence there is an issue | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I'm currently using a new profile every day | 12:21 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: actually I use the recently daily cd to install my ibook and desktop | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: I was speaking for your friends having issues with konq ;) | 12:22 |
| Tonio_ | could they create a new user and test on a new profile ? | 12:22 |
| Tonio_ | then let me know | 12:22 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: no problem , we now have a team for test on dapper | 12:22 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: perfect :) let me know | 12:23 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: what do wanna test , just tell me | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: already said ;) for your friends having problems with konq passwords, tell them to create a new user, then log with it, and test again | 12:24 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: I mean any more ? :) | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | that would be a first shot :) there are good chances that it works according to me :) | 12:25 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: do you know if pbbuttonsd is used by kde? | 12:27 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: sure | 12:28 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: if you use ppc ,this shall be used | 12:28 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: the volume key for mute is disabled in /etc/pbbuttonsd.conf | 12:28 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: I've changed it | 12:29 |
| Lure | hunger, Riddell (and other laptop users): I have sent proposal for kpowersave to kubuntu-devel | 12:34 |
| Riddell | mornfall: smart is still very undecided, it's known that it'll annoy a lot of people if it happens | 12:34 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: doesn't work for me. now the other keys also don't work, lol | 12:34 |
| Lure | any feedback more than welcom | 12:34 |
| Lure | s/welcom/welcome!/ | 12:35 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: correction, mute birghtness etc work, but no popups | 12:35 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: ya, no OSD | 12:36 |
| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: i gotta run now, feel free to hilight me. | 12:37 |
| Lure | time for bed - good nite all | 12:44 |
| mornfall | we'll see | 12:45 |
| mornfall | i go to bed too | 12:45 |
| mornfall | good night | 12:45 |
| freeflying-ibook | Lure:nite | 12:46 |
| freeflying-ibook | robotgeek: can your kubuntu on ppc suspend-to-disk | 12:48 |
| raphink | allee: digikam uploaded | 12:50 |
| allee | raphink: great. With the new bugfix already? | 12:52 |
| raphink | allee: thanks much, digikam looks much greater now :) | 12:52 |
| raphink | allee: yep, I included the search fix in the merge :) | 12:52 |
| raphink | gave me a good reason to not go through elmo ;) | 12:52 |
| allee | raphink: whow. Great! | 12:52 |
| raphink | allee: it'll be build soon :) | 12:52 |
| raphink | allee: that's thanks to you :D | 12:53 |
| allee | raphink: looks like I have to go now: found a stupid problem that creates lots of grey hairs and now digikam is update. It only can get worser!! | 12:53 |
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| raphink | hehe :) | 12:54 |
| raphink | anyone knows a way to block an ICQ user from ever asking for authorization to be added again? | 12:55 |
| raphink | I've got a bot asking to be added to my list once every 3 minutes | 12:55 |
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| tinin | uff, crowded chanel | 03:46 |
| tinin | i hope you all are working on dapper now | 03:46 |
| tinin | and i hope you all make dapper able to play a fucking midi | 03:47 |
| tinin | i'm breaking my head on that | 03:48 |
| tinin | thanx | 03:48 |
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| robotgeek | freeflying-ibook: yes, it sleeps. i don't know what you mean suspend | 04:23 |
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| infinitezeros | anyone from india here? | 07:55 |
| robotgeek | infinitezeros: i don't live there, but i am an indian | 07:58 |
| infinitezeros | robotgeek:cool ... u know anyone who lives around bombay....i need a kubuntu cd | 07:59 |
| robotgeek | infinitezeros: you might want to contact pradeepto, he might be able to burn you one atleast | 08:00 |
| robotgeek | infinitezeros: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india | 08:01 |
| infinitezeros | robotgeek: thanks a beaucoup mate.....ur the man | 08:01 |
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| Hobbsee | oh good, the cd is actually copying now | 08:08 |
| infinitezeros | hobbsee:what cd? | 08:10 |
| Hobbsee | infinitezeros: just a music cd - i tried before i reinstalled dapper, and it either wouldnt copy, or only copied very slowly | 08:11 |
| infinitezeros | hobbsee: and dapper is? | 08:11 |
| Hobbsee | infinitezeros: the release after breezy - it's in development... | 08:12 |
| infinitezeros | hobbsee: cool u guys updating so fast its making my eyes spin | 08:13 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:13 |
| Hobbsee | should be less now so than it was before | 08:13 |
| infinitezeros | hobbsee im still on kde 3.2 :( | 08:13 |
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| Hobbsee | ouch! | 08:13 |
| infinitezeros | so u guys know anything bout vector? | 08:13 |
| infinitezeros | i mean vector linux...heard its really really really fast | 08:14 |
| robotgeek | infinitezeros: offtopic talk in #kubuntu-offtopic | 08:15 |
| infinitezeros | robotgeek:hmm .... | 08:16 |
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| freeflying | robotgeek: u r working on kubuntu-guide now ? | 08:29 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: yes | 08:30 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: docs package ? | 08:32 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: actually, i don't deal with the packaging | 08:32 |
| robotgeek | just content | 08:32 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: got it , any translation on them now ? | 08:33 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: not until doc freeze, march 23rd | 08:33 |
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| Tonio_ | hello | 10:02 |
| robotgeek | hey Tonio_ | 10:03 |
| Lure | hi Tonio_ | 10:04 |
| robotgeek | Tonio_: sorry to bug you, but what is the status of the Konqueror profiles | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: need to be discussed during the meeting | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: patching is really easy, so we have time or this | 10:05 |
| robotgeek | Tonio_: okay, cool. thanks | 10:05 |
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| Tonio_ | robotgeek: I was thinking about a bluetooth profile | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | in fact, there are shortcuts in the internet menu, but there is no way to get access to bluetooth:/ easilly | 10:16 |
| robotgeek | Tonio_: hmm, yes. i remember i had to type bluetooth:/// in knoq to get in | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: exactly | 10:16 |
| robotgeek | i did not know i could do that, i read on google | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | well you can upload to a mobile with tools in the K menu, but what about all services ? :) | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | so a Kubuntu Bluetooth profile could be interesting | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | people searching a bit could find that, and that can be documented quickly | 10:17 |
| robotgeek | Tonio_: if you include it, i will document it :) | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: I will discuss that with Riddell | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | but I can do that only if other profiles are removed, unless it'll become a complete mess in the profile list | 10:18 |
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| Tonio_ | eventually | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | does someone run kopete here for many hours at a time, eg a day? there's a bug here that needs testing at some point... | 10:32 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I run it, but still on Breezy (at work) - I plan to switch to Dapper over weekend | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 10:34 |
| Lure | I am waiting for Flight5 (expected tommorow) | 10:34 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: which bug? | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | bug 34045 | 10:35 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 34045 in kdenetwork kopete "Text input in kopete sometimes breaks" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34045 | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | no, that's the one i'm testing for now... | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | bug 34040 | 10:35 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 34040 in kdenetwork kopete "Kopete begins to use 95%cpu and becomes unresponsive. " [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34040 | 10:35 |
| Lure | never seen that on Breezy (heavy user of MSN + Google Talk/Jabber) | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | just needs some more testing, it looks like | 10:37 |
| Lure | I need to upgrade, as I need MSN file transfer (just fixed) | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | i wouldnt mind doing some 0.12 packages | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | but the first things i want from svn are knetworkmanager (and associated deps)! | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: +++++++++ | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | hehe why so Tonio_ | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | and hello, by the way | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hi ;) well I want knetworkmanager too ! | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | what do you need from cvs? network manager, something else, and knetworkmanager | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | i think i found the wrong svn directory too - doesnt look like it's been updated in ages | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: nope, I want it in kubuntu directly, but that won't happen for dapper | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | true | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | maybe a separate repo, after it's been well tested or something, like the amarok 1.4beta1 upgrade, hopefully... | 10:43 |
| andred | Hobbsee: 0.12 package for breezy is already available, and Tm_T will make one for dapper soon | 10:44 |
| Hobbsee | andred: ah, thankyou :D - someone mentioned it a few days ago, i think it was Tm_T, that they wanted dapper packages | 10:44 |
| allee | hi | 10:46 |
| Hobbsee | hey allee | 10:47 |
| allee | ho, ho Hobbsee | 10:48 |
| allee | Hobbsee: You're plan working on (k)networkmanager? | 10:48 |
| Hobbsee | i'd like to | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | i dont know - i havent done much with svn | 10:49 |
| allee | Hobbsee: that not complicated. I survived yet with ~ 5 cmds :) | 10:50 |
| Lure | allee: have you seen my proposal for kpowersave on kubuntu-devel ML - I would like to get you feedback | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:50 |
| allee | Lure: I've read last night (or was it early morning??) | 10:50 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt even know them, but would appreciate beign pointed to a howto | ||
| Hobbsee | you need to compile | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | cvs libnl, networkmanager and knetworkmanager | 10:51 |
| allee | Hobbsee: have a look at the svn handbook. chapter 3 or 4 is a short intro. | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | right, will do | 10:51 |
| allee | Hobbsee: I created a loca repo and tried the examples. Helped me a lot to get confidence to use it to foreign repos | 10:52 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: svn? Maybe this: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch01s07.html | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 10:53 |
| allee | Lure: It sound like kpowersave is better (not tried myself yet). So I'm all for it. Problem I see is that one user using gnome the same host runs in trouble. | 10:53 |
| allee | Lure: but on the other hand I don't like the idea that KDE can't use best tool available, just because ubuntu uses something different :( | 10:55 |
| allee | Lure: but after all we are one community | 10:55 |
| Lure | allee: I am not sure they get in trouble, as powersave will do the job also under GNOME | 10:57 |
| Lure | only problem is that g-p-m controls may not have impact on CPU freq (that is still assumtion I need to test) | 10:58 |
| Lure | allee: do you see shuting down other services as unacceptable for debian/universe package | 10:58 |
| Lure | (even though it is just to prevent damage) | 10:59 |
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| allee | Lure: in this case it looks like the ubuntu framework dissision has negative conseq. for KDE. Aka once more gnome does it better, just because we can use 1st class tool | 11:03 |
| allee | Lure: I assume most important is testing and feedback | 11:03 |
| allee | Lure: and I very busy so can't do anything :( Nevertheless power and network mgt are my top prio, as soon as I'm done with the 2 clusters. | 11:05 |
| allee | Lure: can't we devel install this in an extra repo, for now. Announce it, with pros and making a fat note about the cons too. | 11:07 |
| Lure | allee: thanks - will try to do something over weekend (off for CeBit tommorow) | 11:08 |
| allee | Lure: uh, have fun. I was once there. And I definitely perfer smaller events! | 11:09 |
| Riddell | Lure: make sure tacket is giving out those Kubuntu CDs | 11:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: didn't know Ubuntu is there - I have just one busy day, so will see (start at 4:00, back at 23:30 :-() | 11:10 |
| Riddell | Lure: I don't kno if Ubuntu is there either, but Kubuntu should be | 11:11 |
| === Lure looking exhibitor list where they could be located | ||
| Riddell | probably with KDE | 11:13 |
| Lure | only found this for KDE/Ubuntu: http://www.cebit.de/suche/popup/trefferliste-links-unten.html?vst_jahr=2006&vst_nummer=007&sprache=2&session=3&standfinder=# | 11:14 |
| Riddell | "OSS: Linux Debian PostgreSQL KDE Kolab" | 11:16 |
| Riddell | by credativ | 11:17 |
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| MrFaber | hi all | 11:21 |
| Riddell | hello MrFaber | 11:22 |
| Hobbsee | hi | 11:22 |
| MrFaber | hi Hobbsee | 11:22 |
| MrFaber | hi Riddell | 11:22 |
| MrFaber | Has anyone tested Kaffeine with | 11:22 |
| MrFaber | DVDs in Dapper? | 11:22 |
| viviersf | y | 11:23 |
| MrFaber | which it can't access | 11:23 |
| MrFaber | it uses a different path than in brezzy | 11:23 |
| MrFaber | no /dev/cdrom | 11:23 |
| viviersf | lol | 11:23 |
| MrFaber | or /dev/dvd | 11:23 |
| MrFaber | it is the same | 11:23 |
| Riddell | you need libdvdcss and libxine-extracodecs at least | 11:23 |
| MrFaber | I have it | 11:23 |
| viviersf | yea | 11:23 |
| MrFaber | it is a path problem | 11:23 |
| viviersf | then whats your device name | 11:23 |
| MrFaber | one second | 11:24 |
| MrFaber | starting Dapper | 11:24 |
| viviersf | if its like hdc | 11:24 |
| MrFaber | no | 11:24 |
| viviersf | then its a udev problem | 11:24 |
| MrFaber | something with s | 11:24 |
| viviersf | hmm | 11:24 |
| MrFaber | I can give you the correct path | 11:24 |
| MrFaber | dvds with vlc works | 11:24 |
| MrFaber | with the standard path | 11:24 |
| MrFaber | or standard device | 11:24 |
| MrFaber | And Kaffeine tells me that I have libdvdcss, win32codecs and so on | 11:25 |
| MrFaber | btw. the new login design looks very good | 11:25 |
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| MrFaber | hm, thats weired | 11:28 |
| MrFaber | In my dapper kaffeine settings /dev/dvd is set but on the laptop of a friend of mine there is another device with a strange name | 11:29 |
| MrFaber | Maybe it is fixed or it has something to do with the laptop | 11:29 |
| MrFaber | I ask him to update and then I post it here | 11:29 |
| MrFaber | Riddell, the kubuntu kde skin isn't already integrated in kubuntu packages? | 11:32 |
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| Riddell | MrFaber: skin for what? | 11:38 |
| MrFaber | Kubuntu has its own kde design. | 11:38 |
| MrFaber | If you change one desing setting you can't recover it | 11:38 |
| MrFaber | without removing .kde afaik | 11:38 |
| Riddell | oh, we need a .theme file you mean | 11:38 |
| MrFaber | So a Kubuntu-Skin would be very usefull | 11:38 |
| MrFaber | theme, yes | 11:38 |
| Riddell | we're still playing with the theme but we should try and remember to do that | 11:38 |
| MrFaber | thanks | 11:39 |
| MrFaber | Ok, DVD works with updates | 11:39 |
| MrFaber | seems to be fixed | 11:39 |
| MrFaber | sorry | 11:39 |
| Riddell | MrFaber: in kaffine? | 11:40 |
| MrFaber | yes | 11:40 |
| MrFaber | I have find the bug, waited some time, updated again it still doesn't work so I though that it wasn't fixed | 11:40 |
| Riddell | I wonder what changed | 11:41 |
| MrFaber | don't know, now /dev/dvd is set unter xine enigne parameters, but maybe I have changed it :) | 11:42 |
| MrFaber | I hope that KDE VNC can use outgoing connections in future version so that the kde vnc server connects to a client since many new users can't manage their firewall. | 11:46 |
| MrFaber | Something like SC UltraVNC is such great for supporters | 11:48 |
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| Tonio__ | Riddell: any news concerning kdeprint ? otherwise, I will contact pitti | 11:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio__: I have no news | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, I will try to contact him concerning that cups error | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shoudn't skim depend on Zn locales or something ? | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can't figure out what usage will americans or europeans with this..... | 11:56 |
| Riddell | I think the locales should depend on skim | 11:56 |
| raphink | I noticed that, too | 11:56 |
| raphink | from the ubuntu-devel ML, it seems it's the case for GNOME, too | 11:57 |
| raphink | i.e. gnome has scim by default | 11:57 |
| raphink | which I think is as big a mistake as skim for kubuntu | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | and I must say that will get users lost, cause you have it directly in the systray.... | 11:57 |
| raphink | mhm | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | skim is very usefull, but only for asian people | 11:57 |
| raphink | I have this icon in my systray that does nothing when I click it :s | 11:57 |
| allee | Lure: I've send a reply to your proposal. Btw. do you manage the debian dirs of *powersave* in a svn/cvs/baz whatever repo? | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | so having it worldwide installed is, I think, a mistake | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: yes, that's a little issue, everything is in the right click | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hey ;) | 11:58 |
| allee | Hi Tonio! | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | allee: we need to find a way to correct the issue my system:/ patch created | 11:59 |
| allee | Tonio_: btw. the same I wrote about *powersave* it true somethoe for the *netwitch* | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | we don't have anymore bug issues with kubuntu, which is good | 11:59 |
| allee | Tonio_: only difference is that current plan is to replace it with (k)networkmanager. | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | allee: well, for dapper ? | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | or dapper+1 ? ;) | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | cause I don't talk about dapper+1 actually, it is like speaking about kde4 everytime we talk about a kde problem :) | 12:00 |
| allee | Tonio_: afaiu your suggestion was *netswitch for dapper and knetworkmanager for dapper+1 | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | I need to contact kamion to get informations on netswitch | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yes | 12:00 |
| Hobbsee | so how is *netswitch doing? | 12:01 |
| Tonio_ | and more than that, netswitch is in universe | 12:01 |
| Tonio_ | not main....... | 12:01 |
| Tonio_ | but even though it is not perfect, knetswitch is THE ONLY graphical tool that works correctly and let you conect a wifi network...... | 12:01 |
| allee | Tonio_: Hobbsee *netswitch need quite some polishing testing before we can dare to ask for main | 12:01 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I never planned to ask for main ;) | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | allee: and do we have testing packages? | 12:02 |
| raphink | allee: won't have digikam anytime soon, it seems the build farm began to rebuild everything yesterday :( | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | i'm testing wireless a lot, at the moment | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | allee: still not in universe, which makes me embarrassed | 12:02 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: without IM variable set .skim will not bring up | 12:02 |
| allee | Hobbsee: in KDE Extrateam repo are the debian dirs | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 12:02 |
| raphink | freeflying: when booting this morning, I have skim in my systray | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: well, the problem is that briging it up is realy interesting for chinese ;) | 12:03 |
| raphink | freeflying: and I have set nothing | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: maybe with a wrapper | 12:03 |
| raphink | freeflying: I don't think Europeans and Americans (and more) want skim in their systray by default | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | allee: any idea what happens to *netswitch actually ? | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | no new, no mail, nothing | 12:04 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: then disable it in k-d-s | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: Idon't think they want it installed at all | 12:04 |
| raphink | Tonio_: agreed | 12:04 |
| raphink | freeflying: well the point is that it should be a depend of language packs, since it's language related | 12:04 |
| allee | Tonio_: no idea. No time to work on this yet | 12:04 |
| raphink | freeflying: like the kde lang pack for zh should depend on it | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: well the idea would be to have it enabled for chinese, cause it is very usefull for t hemand simply not installed for other people | 12:05 |
| raphink | imo | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: it is not complicated to have Zn locale depending skim | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | very simple to do | 12:05 |
| allee | Tonio_: fwiw codeine source are in archive, but no binaries. Maybe the same with *netswitch ? I have to time to check build logs yet | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: that would be a very clean solution | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | allee: okay | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | can you let me aware ? I will contact kamion if we see an issue with it :) | 12:06 |
| Tonio_ | allee: tested in pbulder yesterday to unsure, everything was okay, and well, there is not pb for me | 12:06 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: language-pack-kde-zh will not depend on these stuff at all | 12:07 |
| raphink | freeflying: why? | 12:08 |
| allee | Tonio_: no *netswitch src are not in archive yet: apt-cache showsrc knetswitch | grep Directory | 12:09 |
| freeflying | raphink: I've communicate with pitti | 12:09 |
| raphink | hmmm that's good | 12:09 |
| raphink | there are millions of Ubuntu users who don't speak of word of any asian language | 12:09 |
| freeflying | raphink: the only one is language-support-zh | 12:09 |
| raphink | and don't want skim on their desktop | 12:09 |
| freeflying | raphink: skim is not in ubuntu's cd | 12:10 |
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| Lure | allee: thanks for feedback - I agree with proposed order of events | 12:10 |
| raphink | freeflying: huh? | 12:10 |
| raphink | freeflying: how can a package not be in the cd and be in kubuntu-desktop task ? | 12:11 |
| freeflying | raphink: in ubuntu , it's scim | 12:11 |
| raphink | well I don't mind how it's called | 12:11 |
| Lure | allee: I just need to investigate what dpkg-divert means (I am new to debian packaging). | 12:11 |
| raphink | my life is not centered on this package | 12:11 |
| raphink | I just want to point out that a vast majority of people don't want this by default | 12:11 |
| raphink | and that we have criteriae to determine who needs it and who does not | 12:12 |
| raphink | and to have it installed only for people who need it | 12:12 |
| raphink | through language depends | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | allee: for some reason, i cant find any of knetswitch | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | do you happen to have where they are? | 12:12 |
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| Lure | Tonio__: great - I am lost in Malone (no good overview) | 12:13 |
| freeflying | raphink: actually , the number of guys use skim will be much big than don't at all :) | 12:13 |
| Tonio__ | freeflying: skim/scim is very usefull, but not for everyone | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: hehe yeah, they changed the format of malone, and the searches. grr | 12:13 |
| raphink | freeflying: this is not a reason to impose it to everyone | 12:13 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: but they for too many | 12:13 |
| raphink | freeflying: having a french dictionary in main would be useful to many I'm sure | 12:14 |
| raphink | freeflying: but I would never impose that | 12:14 |
| freeflying | raphink: Tonio_ , actually , we can disable it in k-d-s | 12:14 |
| raphink | specific things can be added optionaly | 12:14 |
| raphink | freeflying: and don't get me wrong, I'm very happy there is such a thing as scim/skim in Ubuntu/Kubuntu, but I just don't want it by default on my computer | 12:15 |
| freeflying | raphink: u will not use everything in your computer as installed defautly , so can you remove the m? | 12:16 |
| raphink | freeflying: it's not about it being installed even, it's in my systray by default! | 12:16 |
| raphink | I'm ok with it being in the Kmenu maybe | 12:17 |
| raphink | but not in the systray by default | 12:17 |
| freeflying | raphink: I've said thet it can be disable in k-d-s | 12:17 |
| raphink | freeflying: well I don't agree that it's a good policy to install for everybody and disable blindly for everybody | 12:17 |
| raphink | we have a dependencies system | 12:18 |
| raphink | let's use it | 12:18 |
| raphink | smartly | 12:18 |
| freeflying | raphink: ok, if u can persuade pitti, i'd like to | 12:18 |
| raphink | ok let's go persuade pitti then | 12:18 |
| freeflying | raphink: I will not , I have done ,but fail | 12:19 |
| freeflying | raphink: so ,hope u can solve this | 12:19 |
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| pitti | hello | 12:19 |
| raphink | hi pitti | 12:19 |
| pitti | I'd be interested in scim/skim feedback :) | 12:19 |
| raphink | well basically our discussion here is about scim/skim by default pitti | 12:20 |
| raphink | pitti: I booted this morning and got skim in my systray | 12:20 |
| raphink | my language is French | 12:20 |
| raphink | I have never used an asian language | 12:20 |
| raphink | I'm not sure crowding the systray with skim is a good idea for EUropean/American/more users | 12:20 |
| raphink | why not have skim depend on the kde lang packs for asian languages? | 12:20 |
| raphink | so only people who need it get it | 12:20 |
| pitti | raphink: well, we don't have split kde/gnome language-support-* packages | 12:21 |
| raphink | huh? | 12:21 |
| raphink | for fr you have | 12:21 |
| pitti | so we need to differentiate between ubuntu and kubuntu somehow | 12:21 |
| pitti | raphink: we have for language-pack-* | 12:21 |
| pitti | but not for langauge-support-* | 12:21 |
| pitti | it wasn't necessary so far | 12:22 |
| raphink | wel then why not use language-pack-* for the depends | 12:22 |
| raphink | anything that will restrict the install of skim to people who need it | 12:22 |
| pitti | hm | 12:22 |
| pitti | so far langpack-* shouldn't have any dependencies | 12:22 |
| pitti | and it would take a nontrivial amount of work to change that | 12:23 |
| raphink | pitti: I hope you get my point though | 12:23 |
| pitti | raphink: yes, I do | 12:23 |
| pitti | I will think about it | 12:23 |
| raphink | I think it is very nice to have such an app as scim/skim | 12:23 |
| pitti | I'd rather have scim/skim not activated by default for locales that don't need it | 12:23 |
| raphink | for people who need it | 12:23 |
| raphink | but I don't want european/american users to find it on their desktop by default | 12:24 |
| pitti | so that you can have the package installed without disturbing latin users | 12:24 |
| pitti | I'll talk about that with the scim guys | 12:24 |
| raphink | ok | 12:24 |
| raphink | pitti: it can't even be quit from the systray | 12:25 |
| raphink | so if I want it off of my systray I have to deinstall it | 12:25 |
| raphink | which will deinstall kubuntu-desktop and I don't want that of course | 12:26 |
| pitti | right | 12:26 |
| raphink | well not right but true ;) | 12:26 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:26 |
| freeflying | raphink: u only wanna skim will not bring up , so it can be solved | 12:27 |
| raphink | freeflying: hmm not exactly | 12:27 |
| raphink | but well if it's for it to not be shown, do you have an option to show it only for people who need it ? | 12:27 |
| freeflying | raphink: sure | 12:28 |
| raphink | ok then | 12:28 |
| raphink | I'd be happy with that | 12:28 |
| freeflying | pitti: then I disable the autostart of skim , ok? | 12:31 |
| pitti | freeflying: what would really be nice would be to control autostart by locale | 12:32 |
| pitti | freeflying: i. e. integrate this into this im-switch package somehow | 12:32 |
| pitti | which selects the default table by locale | 12:32 |
| pitti | and if the locale does not have any table, doesn't start scim at all | 12:32 |
| pitti | freeflying: is that possible? | 12:32 |
| freeflying | pitti: ya, | 12:33 |
| freeflying | raphink: may you show me the result of " qpkg-query | grep scim " | 12:33 |
| raphink | qpkg ? | 12:34 |
| freeflying | raphink: dpkg ,sorry | 12:34 |
| raphink | doesn't work | 12:34 |
| raphink | dpkg-querry needs an argument | 12:34 |
| raphink | ;) | 12:34 |
| freeflying | -l | 12:34 |
| freeflying | sorry | 12:34 |
| freeflying | raphink: m " qpkg-query -l | grep scim " | 12:35 |
| raphink | $ dpkg-query -l | grep scim | 12:35 |
| raphink | ii libscim8c2a 1.4.4-1ubuntu1 library for SCIM platform | 12:35 |
| raphink | ii scim-qtimm 0.9.4-0ubuntu1 SCIM context plugin for qt-immodule | 12:35 |
| freeflying | thx | 12:35 |
| freeflying | raphink: it's a fresh install ? | 12:36 |
| raphink | hmm quite | 12:36 |
| raphink | this just installed today | 12:36 |
| raphink | as I upgraded | 12:37 |
| raphink | sebas: one more issue on kde-guidance users module ;) | 12:37 |
| raphink | sebas: ping | 12:38 |
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| AgarFu | hi | 12:56 |
| AgarFu | is there any one | 12:56 |
| AgarFu | I'm working right now on espresso kde-ui | 12:57 |
| AgarFu | I've fix somethings and I don't know if there is any other people working on it | 12:57 |
| AgarFu | Ridell's bzr repository don't have any change for some days or I don't understand bzr as well as I wish | 12:59 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: hi! | 01:00 |
| AgarFu | hi! | 01:00 |
| AgarFu | nice to see you! ;-)= | 01:00 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: Rene? | 01:01 |
| AgarFu | I'm tunning espresso because I don't need language selection nor keyboard and tz | 01:01 |
| AgarFu | yes I am | 01:01 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: I've not done work on espresso this week because I'm at a meeting in London doing graphics stuff | 01:02 |
| AgarFu | ok | 01:02 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: but next week it's my priority again | 01:02 |
| AgarFu | could we work together ? | 01:03 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: yes please :) | 01:03 |
| AgarFu | I'll be working on it till finish | 01:03 |
| AgarFu | I'm not a python master but I'll try to do my best | 01:03 |
| AgarFu | Right now I have installer's flow as i want, qtparted is embeded using your flag (--installer) but with my version | 01:05 |
| AgarFu | I don't know anything about debconf so this part is for you | 01:06 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: well, I don't know that much myself :) | 01:06 |
| Riddell | but the last stage still needs to be completed properly | 01:07 |
| Hobbsee | guess you're about to learn Riddell :P | 01:07 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I already have learned more than I could wish for :) | 01:07 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 01:07 |
| AgarFu | jeje | 01:07 |
| === Hobbsee thinks that sometimes as well, even with the little that she knows | ||
| Riddell | same goes for qt mainloop, espresso does funky things with mainloops | 01:07 |
| AgarFu | ok | 01:09 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: so I think my TODO is something like, get the final stage working properly, make sure qtparted dies and commits cleanly, get the debconf progress bar working, get "back" working | 01:09 |
| Riddell | then keyboard, and timezone modules | 01:09 |
| Riddell | then tidy up user interface | 01:09 |
| Riddell | then we're done :) | 01:09 |
| AgarFu | I have to lauch owr distro in a short time | 01:10 |
| AgarFu | so I'll focus on that | 01:10 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: when abouts? | 01:10 |
| AgarFu | La Laguna University | 01:10 |
| Riddell | yes, but when is launch date? | 01:12 |
| AgarFu | We don't have dead time | 01:12 |
| Riddell | ok, well dapper is april 20th I think, so that's my date | 01:12 |
| AgarFu | but maybe in twho or three weeks | 01:12 |
| Riddell | so cool to have another kubuntu derived distro :) | 01:12 |
| Riddell | hmm, two or three weeks is tight | 01:12 |
| AgarFu | I know | 01:12 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: you got IRC working at work then? | 01:12 |
| AgarFu | anyway we have guadalinex installer working right now | 01:12 |
| AgarFu | well, I'm in a ssh session using bitchx | 01:12 |
| Riddell | best way to do it | 01:12 |
| AgarFu | but it works | 01:12 |
| Riddell | use screen too, then you never need to leave | 01:12 |
| AgarFu | XDD | 01:13 |
| AgarFu | I've discovered yakuake yesterday | 01:13 |
| AgarFu | I'm using it right now | 01:14 |
| Riddell | hah :) | 01:14 |
| AgarFu | this is nice to hide irc window quicly | 01:14 |
| AgarFu | je je | 01:14 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: are you publishing your bzr branch somewhere? | 01:14 |
| AgarFu | no | 01:15 |
| AgarFu | but I can do it | 01:15 |
| AgarFu | the bzr's operatin mode breaks my schemas about versioning system | 01:16 |
| Riddell | it just needs to be available by http | 01:16 |
| Riddell | I work locally then rsync to the kubuntu.org server | 01:16 |
| Riddell | I'm still learning the whole distributed revision control thing too | 01:17 |
| AgarFu | ok, I'll do some similar | 01:17 |
| AgarFu | bzr branch http://ssl.ull.es/files/repositoriobzr/ubuntu/ | 01:30 |
| AgarFu | there is my repo | 01:30 |
| AgarFu | coud you try if it works? | 01:30 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: working for me | 01:33 |
| AgarFu | great | 01:33 |
| AgarFu | thx | 01:34 |
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| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/uisprint/bubble-bling.png | 03:44 |
| Lure | Riddell: not bad... ;-) | 03:48 |
| Lure | I just think that this blue colors are a bit strong for the eyes (not sure if you can look at it for long) | 03:49 |
| Tm_T | so hard blue :( | 03:49 |
| === freeflying agree with Tm_T | ||
| Tm_T | hey, you don't have to agree with me even if I'm too old to rock'n'roll ;) | 03:50 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: that's just I wanna to tell too :) | 03:53 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 03:53 |
| Tm_T | too much coffee & Jethro Tull here | 03:53 |
| jjesse | what's wrong with the current default background? | 04:00 |
| Riddell | jjesse: we have to change it each release, else people think nothing has changed | 04:03 |
| Riddell | Lure: that's the bling :) | 04:03 |
| andred | Riddell: I've set up a small repository with kopete 0.12 beta1 packages for breezy and dapper | 04:30 |
| andred | Riddell: would you maybe put it on kubuntu.org or something? | 04:30 |
| andred | (when beta1 is officially announced) | 04:30 |
| Riddell | good question, I wonder if I can | 04:32 |
| Riddell | andred: your packages? | 04:32 |
| Riddell | I thought Tm_T was making the kopete packages | 04:32 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I was | 04:32 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 04:32 |
| andred | they are mine, yes | 04:32 |
| andred | maybe i should mention that i'm a packaging noob, but at least they seem to work :) | 04:33 |
| Tm_T | I'm fighting with my health and motivation so good for us andred did packages | 04:33 |
| Riddell | andred: issue here is trust, you aren't an ubuntu member and we have no way of knowing if you've tampered with the files, packages on kubuntu.org have to be trusted | 04:34 |
| Riddell | andred: have you changed the .orig from kopete's tar file at all? | 04:34 |
| Riddell | andred: if the md5sums match and the debdiff is small that should be fine | 04:35 |
| andred | Riddell: hmm, i kinda understand | 04:35 |
| andred | no, i didn't | 04:35 |
| Riddell | is their tar a gz or a bz2? | 04:35 |
| andred | gz | 04:35 |
| andred | there is a bz2, too, but i used the gz | 04:36 |
| Riddell | groovy. so just make sure the md5sums match on their one and your .orig and we should be fine | 04:36 |
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| andred | uhm, they don't match :s | 04:38 |
| andred | ah, i know. could it be because i added "debug" to the package name? | 04:38 |
| Riddell | if the top level directory name doesn't match that's fine, dpkg-source is clever enough to handle that | 04:39 |
| andred | i changed the name in debian/changelog | 04:40 |
| Riddell | well that goes in the .diff | 04:40 |
| andred | in order to make clear that they are compiled with debug messages | 04:40 |
| andred | damn | 04:40 |
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| andred | Tm_T: i guess you'll have to make the packages then as i have to add the epoche to the changelog which changes the md5sum | 04:47 |
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| LeeJunFan | Trying to install kdelibs devel stuff isn't going well with dap. libartsc0 in particular says it deps 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 but 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed. | 05:16 |
| Riddell | LeeJunFan: you have a broken arts version there | 05:20 |
| Riddell | probably one of mine that you tested for me ages ago | 05:20 |
| LeeJunFan | Riddell: hah, probably. okay. | 05:20 |
| Riddell | you'll need to purge arts | 05:20 |
| tvo | Riddell: when making a debdiff, I get lots of changes in the diff for makefile.in's. Is there a way to prevent that / does it matter anyway? | 05:21 |
| Riddell | tvo: there's not really any way to prevent that | 05:24 |
| Riddell | the debian devels make a patch with all those changes but it's not much more elegant | 05:24 |
| LeeJunFan | Riddell: apt-get -f install wants to put it back. What else might depend on it? | 05:25 |
| tvo | Riddell: hm, so I can send you the large debdiff with all this junk in it? | 05:25 |
| Riddell | tvo: yeah | 05:25 |
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| tvo | ok, will do | 05:25 |
| Riddell | LeeJunFan: apt-get remove arts libartsc0 libarts1c2a | 05:28 |
| Riddell | make sure it's not in your sources | 05:28 |
| LeeJunFan | Riddell: I got it I think, thanks. | 05:28 |
| Riddell | reinstall KDE | 05:28 |
| LeeJunFan | Riddell: yeah, all the dev stuff installed now. | 05:29 |
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| Tonio_ | wow kpowersave is in the top 3 of kde-apps most popular applications...... | 06:22 |
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| hunger | How do I get rid of that damn skim?! | 06:54 |
| hunger | skim is the only taskbar thingy without an Quit:-( | 06:56 |
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| allee | hunger: skim icon -> configure; left hand side 'systray icon' then select 'enabel quit menu' ;) >> TODO.Tonio ;) | 07:52 |
| hunger | Great! I just killed it;-) | 07:54 |
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| tvo | Riddell: I made a stupid mistake with the kdeaddons debdiff, I'll provide a new one soon | 07:55 |
| Riddell | tvo: ok, thanks | 07:56 |
| DrAlgebra | Riddell: I sent you a mail about the crystal-kwin buttons | 07:56 |
| Riddell | DrAlgebra: I don't see it | 08:00 |
| DrAlgebra | Riddell: in the source file crystalclient.cc, line 381ff, adjust the size of the buttons. Comment line 431, set drawmode to 0 to make the buttons vertical centered. | 08:06 |
| DrAlgebra | The mail describes it more detailled | 08:06 |
| Riddell | DrAlgebra: great, thanks, I'll take a look at that again tomorrow | 08:33 |
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| Tm_T | heh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Lemmke <- talked with that guy today | 08:52 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: as for noninteractive adept... what'd be the deadline on that? | 08:54 |
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| jjesse | Riddell: is skim being in by default something i need to add for releasenotes? | 09:39 |
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| Tonio_ | re | 11:02 |
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| robotgeek | bug #22846 | 11:56 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 22846 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings doesn't scale down on lower resolutions" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/22846 | 11:56 |
| robotgeek | this isn't going to be fixed, right? | 11:56 |
| robotgeek | if so, i can mention the workaround in the Desktop Guide | 11:56 |
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