[12:03] <raphink> i've got a powerbook around, but it's running breezy
[12:03] <Tonio_> mornfall: that's terrific.......
[12:04] <robotgeek> i have a ibook running dapper, what do we need?
[12:04] <Tonio_> mornfall: a conflict or bug with a specific lib or package freeflying-ibook would install ?
[12:04] <Tonio_> sounds amazing he has the issue on 2 machines at the same time
[12:04] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: can Fn+F3 function as mute on your ibook
[12:04] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: what is your computer language installed ?
[12:04] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: zh_CN
[12:04] <mornfall> Tonio_: i have no idea -- i'd say it's fairly obscure :)
[12:04] <Tonio_> mornfall: issue with utf8 maybe ?
[12:05] <mornfall> Tonio_: shouldn't... but i can't exclude
[12:05] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: good test would be to install it in english on one machine and let us know maybe
[12:05] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: tried in C locale? or en_US?
[12:05] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: and have you the OSD for Fn+Fx 
[12:05] <Tonio_> mornfall: in fact there is no logic reason, so let's think illogical issue ;)
[12:05] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: uno momento, booting up :)
[12:06] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: u'd fix that at all , u can not tell all chinese user to use en_US locels  :)
[12:06] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: uni momento ?
[12:06] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: i can try, but i need to know reason first
[12:06] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: ok , I;ll test for you 
[12:06] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: well, i don't get a popup for mute. the other buttons works
[12:07] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: all Fn+Fx can works well when I test on flight-2 livecd 
[12:08] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: u can get the test report from wiki 
[12:08] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: but now there problems 
[12:09] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Apple_iBookG4_12in_1%2e26GHZ is mine. 
[12:10] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/Kubuntuflight-2livecdonibook mine
[12:11] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: hmm, okay. file bug and i can also confirm?
[12:11] <robotgeek> it's not a locale issue, mine is en_US
[12:12] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: so strange , guys told me that konqueror hass problem with save their passwd , but I have never met 
[12:13] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: hum.......... I implemented a feature to automanage kwallet
[12:13] <Tonio_> than can cause issues, but according to my tests, it's nice
[12:13] <Tonio_> let me test
[12:13] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek:  bugs 31365
[12:14] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: hum........... works perfectly here, and I install 1 hour ago ;)
[12:14] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: konqueror's problem took place about one week ago, and I have never met 
[12:15] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: adept ?
[12:15] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: that's the moment I added that new feature indeed
[12:15] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: nope passwords saving with konqueror is nice
[12:15] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: should i change status to confirmed?
[12:16] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: didn't they refused konqueror's access to kwallet while using it for the first time ?
[12:16] <Tonio_> if they were not using it, that can be a reason
[12:16] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: guys tell me something maybe bugs , but I can not reproduce them 
[12:16] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: sure
[12:16] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: But I have never use kwallet
[12:17] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: dunno without more informations
[12:17] <Tonio_> need more details
[12:17] <Tonio_> what happens exactly ? do they use kwallet ? what happens on a new kde profile ?
[12:17] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: can BT adaptor works on your ibook ?
[12:18] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: i dont have inbuilt
[12:18] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: they don't use kwallet 
[12:18] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: so that's not a kwallet issue........
[12:18] <Tonio_> I didn't perform any konqueror config change except today
[12:19] <Tonio_> no change on that point
[12:19] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: ya , for example , I needn't input my ID;pass for lauchpad when I access to it , but others had to 
[12:20] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: hum......... would be interesting to know what happens on a fresh profile
[12:20] <Tonio_> too many changes between breezy and dapper to be sure some profiles may not crash
[12:21] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: ok , I'll do freshinstall on my ibook and desktop
[12:21] <Tonio_> and therefore, new k-d-s settings are not applyied of rc files have been manually by users before
[12:21] <Tonio_> so only a test on a virgin profile can give an evidence there is an issue
[12:21] <Tonio_> that's why I'm currently using a new profile every day
[12:21] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: actually I use the recently daily cd to install my ibook and desktop 
[12:22] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: I was speaking for your friends having issues with konq ;)
[12:22] <Tonio_> could they create a new user and test on a new profile ?
[12:22] <Tonio_> then let me know
[12:22] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: no problem , we now have a team for test on dapper 
[12:23] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: perfect :) let me know
[12:23] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: what do wanna test , just tell me 
[12:24] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: already said ;) for your friends having problems with konq passwords, tell them to create a new user, then log with it, and test again
[12:25] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: I mean any more ?  :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> that would be a first shot :) there are good chances that it works according to me :)
[12:27] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: do you know if pbbuttonsd is used by kde?
[12:28] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: sure
[12:28] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: if you use ppc ,this shall be used 
[12:28] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: the volume key for mute is disabled in /etc/pbbuttonsd.conf
[12:29] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: I've changed it 
[12:34] <Lure> hunger, Riddell (and other laptop users): I have sent proposal for kpowersave to kubuntu-devel
[12:34] <Riddell> mornfall: smart is still very undecided, it's known that it'll annoy a lot of people if it happens
[12:34] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: doesn't work for me. now the other keys also don't work, lol
[12:34] <Lure> any feedback more than welcom
[12:35] <Lure> s/welcom/welcome!/
[12:35] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: correction, mute birghtness etc work, but no popups
[12:36] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: ya, no OSD 
[12:37] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: i gotta run now, feel free to hilight me. 
[12:44] <Lure> time for bed - good nite all
[12:45] <mornfall> we'll see
[12:45] <mornfall> i go to bed too
[12:45] <mornfall> good night
[12:46] <freeflying-ibook> Lure:nite
[12:48] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: can your kubuntu on ppc suspend-to-disk
[12:50] <raphink> allee: digikam uploaded
[12:52] <allee> raphink: great.  With the new bugfix already?
[12:52] <raphink> allee: thanks much, digikam looks much greater now :)
[12:52] <raphink> allee: yep, I included the search fix in the merge :)
[12:52] <raphink> gave me a good reason to not go through elmo ;)
[12:52] <allee> raphink: whow.  Great!
[12:52] <raphink> allee: it'll be build soon :)
[12:53] <raphink> allee: that's thanks to you :D 
[12:53] <allee> raphink: looks like I have to go now: found a stupid problem that creates lots of grey hairs and now digikam is update.  It only can get worser!!
[12:54] <raphink> hehe :)
[12:55] <raphink> anyone knows a way to block an ICQ user from ever asking for authorization to be added again?
[12:55] <raphink> I've got a bot asking to be added to my list once every 3 minutes
[03:46] <tinin> uff, crowded chanel
[03:46] <tinin> i hope you all are working on dapper now
[03:47] <tinin> and i hope you all make dapper able to play a fucking midi
[03:48] <tinin> i'm breaking my head on that
[03:48] <tinin> thanx
[04:23] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: yes, it sleeps. i don't know what you mean suspend
[07:55] <infinitezeros> anyone from india here?
[07:58] <robotgeek> infinitezeros: i don't live there, but i am an indian
[07:59] <infinitezeros> robotgeek:cool ... u know anyone who lives around bombay....i need a kubuntu cd
[08:00] <robotgeek> infinitezeros: you might want to contact pradeepto, he might be able to burn you one atleast
[08:01] <robotgeek> infinitezeros: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india
[08:01] <infinitezeros> robotgeek: thanks a beaucoup mate.....ur the man
[08:08] <Hobbsee> oh good, the cd is actually copying now
[08:10] <infinitezeros> hobbsee:what cd?
[08:11] <Hobbsee> infinitezeros: just a music cd - i tried before i reinstalled dapper, and it either wouldnt copy, or only copied very slowly
[08:11] <infinitezeros> hobbsee: and dapper is?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> infinitezeros: the release after breezy - it's in development...
[08:13] <infinitezeros> hobbsee: cool u guys updating so fast its making my eyes spin
[08:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:13] <Hobbsee> should be less now so than it was before
[08:13] <infinitezeros> hobbsee im still on kde 3.2 :(
[08:13] <Hobbsee> ouch!
[08:13] <infinitezeros> so u guys know anything bout vector?
[08:14] <infinitezeros> i mean vector linux...heard its really really really fast
[08:15] <robotgeek> infinitezeros: offtopic talk in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:16] <infinitezeros> robotgeek:hmm ....
[08:29] <freeflying> robotgeek: u r working on kubuntu-guide now ?
[08:30] <robotgeek> freeflying: yes
[08:32] <freeflying> robotgeek: docs package ?
[08:32] <robotgeek> freeflying: actually, i don't deal with the packaging
[08:32] <robotgeek> just content
[08:33] <freeflying> robotgeek: got it , any translation on them now ?
[08:33] <robotgeek> freeflying: not until doc freeze, march 23rd
[10:02] <Tonio_> hello
[10:03] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_ 
[10:04] <Lure> hi Tonio_ 
[10:04] <robotgeek> Tonio_: sorry to bug you, but what is the status of the Konqueror profiles
[10:05] <Tonio_> robotgeek: need to be discussed during the meeting
[10:05] <Tonio_> robotgeek: patching is really easy, so we have time or this
[10:05] <robotgeek> Tonio_: okay, cool. thanks
[10:16] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I was thinking about a bluetooth profile
[10:16] <Tonio_> in fact, there are shortcuts in the internet menu, but there is no way to get access to bluetooth:/ easilly
[10:16] <robotgeek> Tonio_: hmm, yes. i remember i had to type bluetooth:/// in knoq to get in 
[10:16] <Tonio_> robotgeek: exactly
[10:16] <robotgeek> i did not know i could do that, i read on google
[10:17] <Tonio_> well you can upload to a mobile with tools in the K menu, but what about all services ? :)
[10:17] <Tonio_> so a Kubuntu Bluetooth profile could be interesting
[10:17] <Tonio_> people searching a bit could find that, and that can be documented quickly
[10:18] <robotgeek> Tonio_: if you include it, i will document it :)
[10:18] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I will discuss that with Riddell
[10:18] <Tonio_> but I can do that only if other profiles are removed, unless it'll become a complete mess in the profile list
[10:32] <Tonio_> eventually
[10:32] <Hobbsee> does someone run kopete here for many hours at a time, eg a day?  there's a bug here that needs testing at some point...
[10:34] <Lure> Hobbsee: I run it, but still on Breezy (at work) - I plan to switch to Dapper over weekend
[10:34] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[10:34] <Lure> I am waiting for Flight5 (expected tommorow)
[10:35] <Lure> Hobbsee: which bug?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> bug 34045
[10:35] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34045 in kdenetwork kopete "Text input in kopete sometimes breaks" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34045
[10:35] <Hobbsee> no, that's the one i'm testing for now...
[10:35] <Hobbsee> bug 34040
[10:35] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34040 in kdenetwork kopete "Kopete begins to use 95%cpu and becomes unresponsive. " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34040
[10:37] <Lure> never seen that on Breezy (heavy user of MSN + Google Talk/Jabber)
[10:37] <Hobbsee> just needs some more testing, it looks like
[10:38] <Lure> I need to upgrade, as I need MSN file transfer (just fixed)
[10:39] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[10:39] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt mind doing some 0.12 packages
[10:39] <Hobbsee> but the first things i want from svn are knetworkmanager (and associated deps)!
[10:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: +++++++++
[10:40] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:40] <Hobbsee> hehe why so Tonio_ 
[10:40] <Hobbsee> and hello, by the way
[10:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hi ;) well I want knetworkmanager too !
[10:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:41] <Hobbsee> what do you need from cvs?  network manager, something else, and knetworkmanager
[10:41] <Hobbsee> i think i found the wrong svn directory too - doesnt look like it's been updated in ages
[10:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nope, I want it in kubuntu directly, but that won't happen for dapper
[10:42] <Hobbsee> true
[10:43] <Hobbsee> maybe a separate repo, after it's been well tested or something, like the amarok 1.4beta1 upgrade, hopefully...
[10:44] <andred> Hobbsee: 0.12 package for breezy is already available, and Tm_T will make one for dapper soon
[10:44] <Hobbsee> andred: ah, thankyou :D - someone mentioned it a few days ago, i think it was Tm_T, that they wanted dapper packages
[10:46] <allee> hi
[10:47] <Hobbsee> hey allee 
[10:48] <allee> ho, ho Hobbsee 
[10:48] <allee> Hobbsee: You're plan working on (k)networkmanager?
[10:49] <Hobbsee> i'd like to
[10:49] <Hobbsee> i dont know - i havent done much with svn
[10:50] <allee> Hobbsee: that not complicated.  I survived yet with ~ 5 cmds :)
[10:50] <Lure> allee: have you seen my proposal for kpowersave on kubuntu-devel ML - I would like to get you feedback
[10:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:50] <allee> Lure: I've read last night (or was it early morning??)
[10:51] <Hobbsee> you need to compile
[10:51] <Hobbsee>  cvs libnl, networkmanager and knetworkmanager
[10:51] <allee> Hobbsee: have a look at the svn handbook.  chapter 3 or 4 is a short intro.
[10:51] <Hobbsee> right, will do
[10:52] <allee> Hobbsee: I created a loca repo and tried the examples. Helped me a lot to get confidence to use it to foreign repos
[10:52] <Lure> Hobbsee: svn? Maybe this: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch01s07.html
[10:53] <Hobbsee> ok
[10:53] <allee> Lure: It sound like kpowersave is better (not tried myself yet).  So I'm all for it.  Problem I see is that one user using gnome the same host runs in trouble.
[10:55] <allee> Lure: but on the other hand I don't like the idea that KDE can't use best tool available, just because ubuntu uses something different :(
[10:55] <allee> Lure: but after all we are one community
[10:57] <Lure> allee: I am not sure they get in trouble, as powersave will do the job also under GNOME
[10:58] <Lure> only problem is that g-p-m controls may not have impact on CPU freq (that is still assumtion I need to test)
[10:58] <Lure> allee: do you see shuting down other services as unacceptable for debian/universe package
[10:59] <Lure> (even though it is just to prevent damage)
[11:03] <allee> Lure: in this case it looks like the ubuntu framework dissision has negative conseq. for KDE.  Aka once more gnome does it better, just because we can use 1st class tool
[11:03] <allee> Lure: I assume most important is testing and feedback
[11:05] <allee> Lure: and I very busy so can't do anything :(  Nevertheless power and network mgt are my top prio, as soon as I'm done with the 2 clusters.
[11:07] <allee> Lure: can't we devel install this in an extra repo, for now.  Announce it, with pros and making a fat note about the cons too.
[11:08] <Lure> allee: thanks - will try to do something over weekend (off for CeBit tommorow)
[11:09] <allee> Lure: uh, have fun. I was once there.  And I definitely perfer smaller events!
[11:09] <Riddell> Lure: make sure tacket is giving out those Kubuntu CDs 
[11:10] <Lure> Riddell: didn't know Ubuntu is there - I have just one busy day, so will see (start at 4:00, back at 23:30 :-()
[11:11] <Riddell> Lure: I don't kno if Ubuntu is there either, but Kubuntu should be
[11:13] <Riddell> probably with KDE
[11:14] <Lure> only found this for KDE/Ubuntu: http://www.cebit.de/suche/popup/trefferliste-links-unten.html?vst_jahr=2006&vst_nummer=007&sprache=2&session=3&standfinder=#
[11:16] <Riddell> "OSS: Linux Debian PostgreSQL KDE Kolab"
[11:17] <Riddell> by credativ
[11:21] <MrFaber> hi all
[11:22] <Riddell> hello MrFaber 
[11:22] <Hobbsee> hi
[11:22] <MrFaber> hi Hobbsee 
[11:22] <MrFaber> hi Riddell 
[11:22] <MrFaber> Has anyone tested Kaffeine with 
[11:22] <MrFaber> DVDs in Dapper?
[11:23] <viviersf> y
[11:23] <MrFaber> which it can't access
[11:23] <MrFaber> it uses a different path than in brezzy
[11:23] <MrFaber> no /dev/cdrom
[11:23] <viviersf> lol
[11:23] <MrFaber> or /dev/dvd
[11:23] <MrFaber> it is the same
[11:23] <Riddell> you need libdvdcss and libxine-extracodecs at least
[11:23] <MrFaber> I have it
[11:23] <viviersf> yea
[11:23] <MrFaber> it is a path problem
[11:23] <viviersf> then whats your device name
[11:24] <MrFaber> one second
[11:24] <MrFaber> starting Dapper
[11:24] <viviersf> if its like hdc
[11:24] <MrFaber> no
[11:24] <viviersf> then its a udev problem
[11:24] <MrFaber> something with s
[11:24] <viviersf> hmm
[11:24] <MrFaber> I can give you the correct path
[11:24] <MrFaber> dvds with vlc works
[11:24] <MrFaber> with the standard path
[11:24] <MrFaber> or standard device
[11:25] <MrFaber> And Kaffeine tells me that I have libdvdcss, win32codecs and so on
[11:25] <MrFaber> btw. the new login design looks very good
[11:28] <MrFaber> hm, thats weired
[11:29] <MrFaber> In my dapper kaffeine settings /dev/dvd is set but on the laptop of a friend of mine there is another device with a strange name
[11:29] <MrFaber> Maybe it is fixed or it has something to do with the laptop
[11:29] <MrFaber> I ask him to update and then I post it here
[11:32] <MrFaber> Riddell, the kubuntu kde skin isn't already integrated in kubuntu packages?
[11:38] <Riddell> MrFaber: skin for what?
[11:38] <MrFaber> Kubuntu has its own kde design.
[11:38] <MrFaber> If you change one desing setting you can't recover it
[11:38] <MrFaber> without removing .kde afaik
[11:38] <Riddell> oh, we need a .theme file you mean
[11:38] <MrFaber> So a Kubuntu-Skin would be very usefull
[11:38] <MrFaber> theme, yes
[11:38] <Riddell> we're still playing with the theme but we should try and remember to do that
[11:39] <MrFaber> thanks
[11:39] <MrFaber> Ok, DVD works with updates
[11:39] <MrFaber> seems to be fixed
[11:39] <MrFaber> sorry
[11:40] <Riddell> MrFaber: in kaffine?
[11:40] <MrFaber> yes
[11:40] <MrFaber> I have find the bug, waited some time, updated again it still doesn't work so I though that it wasn't fixed
[11:41] <Riddell> I wonder what changed
[11:42] <MrFaber> don't know, now /dev/dvd is set unter xine enigne parameters, but maybe I have changed it :)
[11:46] <MrFaber> I hope that KDE VNC can use outgoing connections in future version so that the kde vnc server connects to a client since many new users can't manage their firewall.
[11:48] <MrFaber> Something like SC UltraVNC is such great for supporters
[11:55] <Tonio__> Riddell: any news concerning kdeprint ? otherwise, I will contact pitti
[11:55] <Riddell> Tonio__: I have no news
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I will try to contact him concerning that cups error
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: shoudn't skim depend on Zn locales or something ? 
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't figure out what usage will americans or europeans with this.....
[11:56] <Riddell> I think the locales should depend on skim
[11:56] <raphink> I noticed that, too
[11:57] <raphink> from the ubuntu-devel ML, it seems it's the case for GNOME, too
[11:57] <raphink> i.e. gnome has scim by default
[11:57] <raphink> which I think is as big a mistake as skim for kubuntu
[11:57] <Tonio_> and I must say that will get users lost, cause you have it directly in the systray....
[11:57] <raphink> mhm
[11:57] <Tonio_> skim is very usefull, but only for asian people
[11:57] <raphink> I have this icon in my systray that does nothing when I click it :s
[11:58] <allee> Lure: I've send a reply to your proposal.  Btw. do you manage the debian dirs of *powersave* in a svn/cvs/baz whatever repo?
[11:58] <Tonio_> so having it worldwide installed is, I think, a mistake
[11:58] <Tonio_> raphink: yes, that's a little issue, everything is in the right click
[11:58] <Tonio_> allee: hey ;)
[11:58] <allee> Hi Tonio!
[11:59] <Tonio_> allee: we need to find a way to correct the issue my system:/ patch created
[11:59] <allee> Tonio_: btw. the same I wrote about *powersave* it true somethoe for the *netwitch*
[11:59] <Tonio_> we don't have anymore bug issues with kubuntu, which is good
[11:59] <allee> Tonio_: only difference is that current plan is to replace it with (k)networkmanager.
[12:00] <Tonio_> allee: well, for dapper ?
[12:00] <Tonio_> or dapper+1 ? ;)
[12:00] <Tonio_> cause I don't talk about dapper+1 actually, it is like speaking about kde4 everytime we talk about a kde problem :)
[12:00] <allee> Tonio_: afaiu your suggestion was *netswitch for dapper and knetworkmanager for dapper+1
[12:00] <Tonio_> I need to contact kamion to get informations on netswitch
[12:00] <Tonio_> allee: yes
[12:01] <Hobbsee> so how is *netswitch doing?
[12:01] <Tonio_> and more than that, netswitch is in universe
[12:01] <Tonio_> not main.......
[12:01] <Tonio_> but even though it is not perfect, knetswitch is THE ONLY graphical tool that works correctly and let you conect a wifi network......
[12:01] <allee> Tonio_:  Hobbsee *netswitch need quite some polishing testing before we can dare to ask for main
[12:02] <Tonio_> allee: I never planned to ask for main ;)
[12:02] <Hobbsee> allee: and do we have testing packages?
[12:02] <raphink> allee: won't have digikam anytime soon, it seems the build farm began to rebuild everything yesterday :(
[12:02] <Hobbsee> i'm testing wireless a lot, at the moment
[12:02] <Tonio_> allee: still not in universe, which makes me embarrassed
[12:02] <freeflying> Tonio_: without IM variable set .skim will not bring up
[12:02] <allee> Hobbsee: in KDE Extrateam repo are the debian dirs
[12:02] <Hobbsee> ok
[12:03] <raphink> freeflying: when booting this morning, I have skim in my systray
[12:03] <Tonio_> freeflying: well, the problem is that briging it up is realy interesting for chinese ;)
[12:03] <raphink> freeflying: and I have set nothing
[12:03] <Tonio_> freeflying: maybe with a wrapper
[12:03] <raphink> freeflying: I don't think Europeans and Americans (and more) want skim in their systray by default
[12:03] <Tonio_> allee: any idea what happens to *netswitch actually ?
[12:04] <Tonio_> no new, no mail, nothing
[12:04] <freeflying> Tonio_: then disable it in k-d-s
[12:04] <Tonio_> raphink: Idon't think they want it installed at all
[12:04] <raphink> Tonio_: agreed
[12:04] <raphink> freeflying: well the point is that it should be a depend of language packs, since it's language related
[12:04] <allee> Tonio_: no idea.  No time to work on this yet
[12:04] <raphink> freeflying: like the kde lang pack for zh should depend on it
[12:05] <Tonio_> freeflying: well the idea would be to have it enabled for chinese, cause it is very usefull for t hemand simply not installed for other people
[12:05] <raphink> imo
[12:05] <Tonio_> freeflying: it is not complicated to have Zn locale depending skim
[12:05] <Tonio_> very simple to do
[12:05] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw codeine source are in archive, but no binaries.  Maybe the same with *netswitch ?  I have to time to check build logs yet
[12:05] <Tonio_> freeflying: that would be a very clean solution
[12:05] <Tonio_> allee: okay
[12:06] <Tonio_> can you let me aware ? I will contact kamion if we see an issue with it :)
[12:06] <Tonio_> allee: tested in pbulder yesterday to unsure, everything was okay, and well, there is not pb for me
[12:07] <freeflying> Tonio_: language-pack-kde-zh will not depend on these stuff at all 
[12:08] <raphink> freeflying: why?
[12:09] <allee> Tonio_: no *netswitch src are not in archive yet: apt-cache showsrc knetswitch | grep Directory
[12:09] <freeflying> raphink: I've communicate with pitti
[12:09] <raphink> hmmm that's good
[12:09] <raphink> there are millions of Ubuntu users who don't speak of word of any asian language
[12:09] <freeflying> raphink: the only one is language-support-zh
[12:09] <raphink> and don't want skim on their desktop
[12:10] <freeflying> raphink: skim is not in ubuntu's cd 
[12:10] <Lure> allee: thanks for feedback - I agree with proposed order of events
[12:10] <raphink> freeflying: huh?
[12:11] <raphink> freeflying: how can a package not be in the cd and be in kubuntu-desktop task ?
[12:11] <freeflying> raphink: in ubuntu , it's scim
[12:11] <raphink> well I don't mind how it's called
[12:11] <Lure> allee: I just need to investigate what dpkg-divert means (I am new to debian packaging).
[12:11] <raphink> my life is not centered on this package
[12:11] <raphink> I just want to point out that a vast majority of people don't want this by default
[12:12] <raphink> and that we have criteriae to determine who needs it and who does not
[12:12] <raphink> and to have it installed only for people who need it
[12:12] <raphink> through language depends
[12:12] <Hobbsee> allee: for some reason, i cant find any of knetswitch
[12:12] <Hobbsee> do you happen to have where they are?
[12:13] <Lure> Tonio__: great - I am lost in Malone (no good overview)
[12:13] <freeflying> raphink: actually , the number of guys use skim will be much big than don't at all  :)
[12:13] <Tonio__> freeflying: skim/scim is very usefull, but not for everyone
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Lure: hehe yeah, they changed the format of malone, and the searches.  grr
[12:13] <raphink> freeflying: this is not a reason to impose it to everyone
[12:13] <freeflying> Tonio_: but they for too many 
[12:14] <raphink> freeflying: having a french dictionary in main would be useful to many I'm sure
[12:14] <raphink> freeflying: but I would never impose that
[12:14] <freeflying> raphink: Tonio_ , actually , we can disable it in k-d-s
[12:14] <raphink> specific things can be added optionaly
[12:15] <raphink> freeflying: and don't get me wrong, I'm very happy there is such a thing as scim/skim in Ubuntu/Kubuntu, but I just don't want it by default on my computer
[12:16] <freeflying> raphink: u will not use everything in your computer as installed defautly , so can you remove the m?
[12:16] <raphink> freeflying: it's not about it being installed even, it's in my systray by default!
[12:17] <raphink> I'm ok with it being in the Kmenu maybe
[12:17] <raphink> but not in the systray by default
[12:17] <freeflying> raphink: I've said thet it can be disable in k-d-s
[12:17] <raphink> freeflying: well I don't agree that it's a good policy to install for everybody and disable blindly for everybody
[12:18] <raphink> we have a dependencies system
[12:18] <raphink> let's use it
[12:18] <raphink> smartly
[12:18] <freeflying> raphink: ok, if u can persuade pitti, i'd like to
[12:18] <raphink> ok let's go persuade pitti then
[12:19] <freeflying> raphink: I will not , I have done ,but fail
[12:19] <freeflying> raphink: so ,hope u can solve this 
[12:19] <pitti> hello
[12:19] <raphink> hi pitti
[12:19] <pitti> I'd be interested in scim/skim feedback :)
[12:20] <raphink> well basically our discussion here is about scim/skim by default pitti
[12:20] <raphink> pitti: I booted this morning and got skim in my systray
[12:20] <raphink> my language is French
[12:20] <raphink> I have never used an asian language
[12:20] <raphink> I'm not sure crowding the systray with skim is a good idea for EUropean/American/more users
[12:20] <raphink> why not have skim depend on the kde lang packs for asian languages?
[12:20] <raphink> so only people who need it get it
[12:21] <pitti> raphink: well, we don't have split kde/gnome language-support-* packages
[12:21] <raphink> huh?
[12:21] <raphink> for fr you have
[12:21] <pitti> so we need to differentiate between ubuntu and kubuntu somehow
[12:21] <pitti> raphink: we have for language-pack-*
[12:21] <pitti> but not for langauge-support-*
[12:22] <pitti> it wasn't necessary so far
[12:22] <raphink> wel then why not use language-pack-* for the depends
[12:22] <raphink> anything that will restrict the install of skim to people who need it
[12:22] <pitti> hm
[12:22] <pitti> so far langpack-* shouldn't have any dependencies
[12:23] <pitti> and it would take a nontrivial amount of work to change that
[12:23] <raphink> pitti: I hope you get my point though
[12:23] <pitti> raphink: yes, I do
[12:23] <pitti> I will think about it
[12:23] <raphink> I think it is very nice to have such an app as scim/skim
[12:23] <pitti> I'd rather have scim/skim not activated by default for locales that don't need it
[12:23] <raphink> for people who need it
[12:24] <raphink> but I don't want european/american users to find it on their desktop by default
[12:24] <pitti> so that you can have the package installed without disturbing latin users
[12:24] <pitti> I'll talk about that with the scim guys
[12:24] <raphink> ok
[12:25] <raphink> pitti: it can't even be quit from the systray
[12:25] <raphink> so if I want it off of my systray I have to deinstall it
[12:26] <raphink> which will deinstall kubuntu-desktop and I don't want that of course
[12:26] <pitti> right
[12:26] <raphink> well not right but true ;)
[12:26] <raphink> hehe
[12:27] <freeflying> raphink: u only wanna skim will not bring up , so it can be solved 
[12:27] <raphink> freeflying: hmm not exactly
[12:27] <raphink> but well if it's for it to not be shown, do you have an option to show it only for people who need it ?
[12:28] <freeflying> raphink: sure 
[12:28] <raphink> ok then
[12:28] <raphink> I'd be happy with that
[12:31] <freeflying> pitti: then I disable the autostart of skim , ok?
[12:32] <pitti> freeflying: what would really be nice would be to control autostart by locale
[12:32] <pitti> freeflying: i. e. integrate this into this im-switch package somehow
[12:32] <pitti> which selects the default table by locale
[12:32] <pitti> and if the locale does not have any table, doesn't start scim at all
[12:32] <pitti> freeflying: is that possible?
[12:33] <freeflying> pitti: ya,
[12:33] <freeflying> raphink: may you show me the result of " qpkg-query | grep scim "
[12:34] <raphink> qpkg ?
[12:34] <freeflying> raphink: dpkg ,sorry 
[12:34] <raphink> doesn't work
[12:34] <raphink> dpkg-querry needs an argument
[12:34] <raphink> ;)
[12:34] <freeflying> -l
[12:34] <freeflying> sorry
[12:35] <freeflying> raphink: m " qpkg-query -l | grep scim "
[12:35] <raphink>  $ dpkg-query -l | grep scim
[12:35] <raphink> ii  libscim8c2a                            1.4.4-1ubuntu1                       library for SCIM platform
[12:35] <raphink> ii  scim-qtimm                             0.9.4-0ubuntu1                       SCIM context plugin for qt-immodule
[12:35] <freeflying> thx
[12:36] <freeflying> raphink: it's a fresh install ?
[12:36] <raphink> hmm quite
[12:36] <raphink> this just installed today
[12:37] <raphink> as I upgraded
[12:37] <raphink> sebas: one more issue on kde-guidance users module ;)
[12:38] <raphink> sebas: ping
[12:56] <AgarFu> hi
[12:56] <AgarFu> is there any one
[12:57] <AgarFu> I'm working right now on espresso kde-ui
[12:57] <AgarFu> I've fix somethings and I don't know if there is any other people working on it
[12:59] <AgarFu> Ridell's bzr repository don't have any change for some days or I don't understand bzr as well as I wish
[01:00] <Riddell> AgarFu: hi!
[01:00] <AgarFu> hi!
[01:00] <AgarFu> nice to see you! ;-)=
[01:01] <Riddell> AgarFu: Rene?
[01:01] <AgarFu> I'm tunning espresso because I don't need language selection nor keyboard and tz
[01:01] <AgarFu> yes I am
[01:02] <Riddell> AgarFu: I've not done work on espresso this week because I'm at a meeting in London doing graphics stuff
[01:02] <AgarFu> ok
[01:02] <Riddell> AgarFu: but next week it's my priority again
[01:03] <AgarFu> could we work together ?
[01:03] <Riddell> AgarFu: yes please :)
[01:03] <AgarFu> I'll be working on it till finish
[01:03] <AgarFu> I'm not a python master but I'll try to do my best
[01:05] <AgarFu> Right now I have installer's flow as i want, qtparted is embeded using your flag (--installer) but with my version 
[01:06] <AgarFu> I don't know anything about debconf so this part is for you
[01:06] <Riddell> AgarFu: well, I don't know that much myself :)
[01:07] <Riddell> but the last stage still needs to be completed properly
[01:07] <Hobbsee> guess you're about to learn Riddell :P
[01:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I already have learned more than I could wish for :)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[01:07] <AgarFu> jeje
[01:07] <Riddell> same goes for qt mainloop, espresso does funky things with mainloops
[01:09] <AgarFu> ok
[01:09] <Riddell> AgarFu: so I think my TODO is something like, get the final stage working properly, make sure qtparted dies and commits cleanly, get the debconf progress bar working, get "back" working
[01:09] <Riddell> then keyboard, and timezone modules
[01:09] <Riddell> then tidy up user interface
[01:09] <Riddell> then we're done :)
[01:10] <AgarFu> I have to lauch owr distro in a short time
[01:10] <AgarFu> so I'll focus on that
[01:10] <Riddell> AgarFu: when abouts?
[01:10] <AgarFu> La Laguna University 
[01:12] <Riddell> yes, but when is launch date?
[01:12] <AgarFu> We don't have dead time
[01:12] <Riddell> ok, well dapper is april 20th I think, so that's my date
[01:12] <AgarFu> but maybe in twho or three weeks
[01:12] <Riddell> so cool to have another kubuntu derived distro :)
[01:12] <Riddell> hmm, two or three weeks is tight
[01:12] <AgarFu> I know
[01:12] <Riddell> AgarFu: you got IRC working at work then?
[01:12] <AgarFu> anyway we have guadalinex installer working right now
[01:12] <AgarFu> well, I'm in a ssh session using bitchx
[01:12] <Riddell> best way to do it
[01:12] <AgarFu> but it works
[01:12] <Riddell> use screen too, then you never need to leave
[01:13] <AgarFu> XDD
[01:13] <AgarFu> I've discovered yakuake yesterday
[01:14] <AgarFu> I'm using it right now
[01:14] <Riddell> hah :)
[01:14] <AgarFu> this is nice to hide irc window quicly
[01:14] <AgarFu> je je
[01:14] <Riddell> AgarFu: are you publishing your bzr branch somewhere?
[01:15] <AgarFu> no
[01:15] <AgarFu> but I can do it
[01:16] <AgarFu> the bzr's operatin mode breaks my schemas about versioning system
[01:16] <Riddell> it just needs to be available by http
[01:16] <Riddell> I work locally then rsync to the kubuntu.org server
[01:17] <Riddell> I'm still learning the whole distributed revision control thing too
[01:17] <AgarFu> ok, I'll do some similar
[01:30] <AgarFu> bzr branch http://ssl.ull.es/files/repositoriobzr/ubuntu/
[01:30] <AgarFu> there is my repo
[01:30] <AgarFu> coud you try if it works?
[01:33] <Riddell> AgarFu: working for me
[01:33] <AgarFu> great
[01:34] <AgarFu> thx
[03:44] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/uisprint/bubble-bling.png
[03:48] <Lure> Riddell: not bad... ;-)
[03:49] <Lure> I just think that this blue colors are a bit strong for the eyes (not sure if you can look at it for long)
[03:49] <Tm_T> so hard blue :(
[03:50] <Tm_T> hey, you don't have to agree with me even if I'm too old to rock'n'roll ;)
[03:53] <freeflying> Tm_T: that's just I wanna to tell too :)
[03:53] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:53] <Tm_T> too much coffee & Jethro Tull here
[04:00] <jjesse> what's wrong with the current default background?
[04:03] <Riddell> jjesse: we have to change it each release, else people think nothing has changed
[04:03] <Riddell> Lure: that's the bling :)
[04:30] <andred> Riddell: I've set up a small repository with kopete 0.12 beta1 packages for breezy and dapper
[04:30] <andred> Riddell: would you maybe put it on kubuntu.org or something?
[04:30] <andred> (when beta1 is officially announced)
[04:32] <Riddell> good question, I wonder if I can
[04:32] <Riddell> andred: your packages?
[04:32] <Riddell> I thought Tm_T was making the kopete packages
[04:32] <Tm_T> Riddell: I was
[04:32] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:32] <andred> they are mine, yes
[04:33] <andred> maybe i should mention that i'm a packaging noob, but at least they seem to work :)
[04:33] <Tm_T> I'm fighting with my health and motivation so good for us andred did packages
[04:34] <Riddell> andred: issue here is trust, you aren't an ubuntu member and we have no way of knowing if you've tampered with the files, packages on kubuntu.org have to be trusted
[04:34] <Riddell> andred: have you changed the .orig from kopete's tar file at all?
[04:35] <Riddell> andred: if the md5sums match and the debdiff is small that should be fine
[04:35] <andred> Riddell: hmm, i kinda understand 
[04:35] <andred> no, i didn't
[04:35] <Riddell> is their tar a gz or a bz2?
[04:35] <andred> gz
[04:36] <andred> there is a bz2, too, but i used the gz
[04:36] <Riddell> groovy.  so just make sure the md5sums match on their one and your .orig and we should be fine
[04:38] <andred> uhm, they don't match :s
[04:38] <andred> ah, i know. could it be because i added "debug" to the package name?
[04:39] <Riddell> if the top level directory name doesn't match that's fine, dpkg-source is clever enough to handle that
[04:40] <andred> i changed the name in debian/changelog
[04:40] <Riddell> well that goes in the .diff
[04:40] <andred> in order to make clear that they are compiled with debug messages
[04:40] <andred> damn
[04:47] <andred> Tm_T: i guess you'll have to make the packages then as i have to add the epoche to the changelog which changes the md5sum
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> Trying to install kdelibs devel stuff isn't going well with dap. libartsc0 in particular says it deps 1.5.1-0ubuntu1 but 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[05:20] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: you have a broken arts version there
[05:20] <Riddell> probably one of mine that you tested for me ages ago
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: hah, probably. okay.
[05:20] <Riddell> you'll need to purge arts
[05:21] <tvo> Riddell: when making a debdiff, I get lots of changes in the diff for makefile.in's. Is there a way to prevent that / does it matter anyway?
[05:24] <Riddell> tvo: there's not really any way to prevent that
[05:24] <Riddell> the debian devels make a patch with all those changes but it's not much more elegant
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: apt-get -f install wants to put it back. What else might depend on it?
[05:25] <tvo> Riddell: hm, so I can send you the large debdiff with all this junk in it?
[05:25] <Riddell> tvo: yeah
[05:25] <tvo> ok, will do
[05:28] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: apt-get remove arts libartsc0 libarts1c2a
[05:28] <Riddell> make sure it's not in your sources
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: I got it I think, thanks.
[05:28] <Riddell> reinstall KDE
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: yeah, all the dev stuff installed now.
[06:22] <Tonio_> wow kpowersave is in the top 3 of kde-apps most popular applications......
[06:54] <hunger> How do I get rid of that damn skim?!
[06:56] <hunger> skim is the only taskbar thingy without an Quit:-(
[07:52] <allee> hunger: skim icon -> configure; left hand side 'systray icon' then select 'enabel quit menu'  ;)   >> TODO.Tonio ;)
[07:54] <hunger> Great! I just killed it;-)
[07:55] <tvo> Riddell: I made a stupid mistake with the kdeaddons debdiff, I'll provide a new one soon
[07:56] <Riddell> tvo: ok, thanks
[07:56] <DrAlgebra> Riddell: I sent you a mail about the crystal-kwin buttons
[08:00] <Riddell> DrAlgebra: I don't see it
[08:06] <DrAlgebra> Riddell: in the source file crystalclient.cc, line 381ff, adjust the size of the buttons. Comment line 431, set drawmode to 0 to make the buttons vertical centered.
[08:06] <DrAlgebra> The mail describes it more detailled
[08:33] <Riddell> DrAlgebra: great, thanks, I'll take a look at that again tomorrow
[08:52] <Tm_T> heh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Lemmke <- talked with that guy today
[08:54] <mornfall> Riddell: as for noninteractive adept... what'd be the deadline on that?
[09:39] <jjesse> Riddell: is skim being in by default something i need to add for releasenotes?
[11:02] <Tonio_> re
[11:56] <robotgeek> bug #22846
[11:56] <Ubugtu> malone bug 22846 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings doesn't scale down on lower resolutions" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/22846
[11:56] <robotgeek> this isn't going to be fixed, right?
[11:56] <robotgeek> if so, i can mention the workaround in the Desktop Guide