[12:03] i've got a powerbook around, but it's running breezy [12:03] mornfall: that's terrific....... [12:04] i have a ibook running dapper, what do we need? [12:04] mornfall: a conflict or bug with a specific lib or package freeflying-ibook would install ? [12:04] sounds amazing he has the issue on 2 machines at the same time [12:04] robotgeek: can Fn+F3 function as mute on your ibook [12:04] freeflying-ibook: what is your computer language installed ? [12:04] Tonio_: zh_CN [12:04] Tonio_: i have no idea -- i'd say it's fairly obscure :) [12:04] mornfall: issue with utf8 maybe ? [12:05] Tonio_: shouldn't... but i can't exclude [12:05] freeflying-ibook: good test would be to install it in english on one machine and let us know maybe [12:05] freeflying-ibook: tried in C locale? or en_US? [12:05] robotgeek: and have you the OSD for Fn+Fx [12:05] mornfall: in fact there is no logic reason, so let's think illogical issue ;) [12:05] freeflying-ibook: uno momento, booting up :) [12:06] mornfall: u'd fix that at all , u can not tell all chinese user to use en_US locels :) [12:06] robotgeek: uni momento ? [12:06] freeflying-ibook: i can try, but i need to know reason first [12:06] mornfall: ok , I;ll test for you [12:06] freeflying-ibook: well, i don't get a popup for mute. the other buttons works [12:07] robotgeek: all Fn+Fx can works well when I test on flight-2 livecd [12:08] robotgeek: u can get the test report from wiki [12:08] robotgeek: but now there problems [12:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Apple_iBookG4_12in_1%2e26GHZ is mine. [12:10] robotgeek: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/Kubuntuflight-2livecdonibook mine [12:11] freeflying-ibook: hmm, okay. file bug and i can also confirm? [12:11] it's not a locale issue, mine is en_US [12:12] Tonio_: so strange , guys told me that konqueror hass problem with save their passwd , but I have never met [12:13] freeflying-ibook: hum.......... I implemented a feature to automanage kwallet [12:13] than can cause issues, but according to my tests, it's nice [12:13] let me test [12:13] robotgeek: bugs 31365 [12:14] freeflying-ibook: hum........... works perfectly here, and I install 1 hour ago ;) [12:14] Tonio_: konqueror's problem took place about one week ago, and I have never met [12:15] Tonio_: adept ? [12:15] freeflying-ibook: that's the moment I added that new feature indeed [12:15] freeflying-ibook: nope passwords saving with konqueror is nice [12:15] freeflying-ibook: should i change status to confirmed? [12:16] freeflying-ibook: didn't they refused konqueror's access to kwallet while using it for the first time ? [12:16] if they were not using it, that can be a reason [12:16] Tonio_: guys tell me something maybe bugs , but I can not reproduce them [12:16] robotgeek: sure [12:16] Tonio_: But I have never use kwallet [12:17] freeflying-ibook: dunno without more informations [12:17] need more details [12:17] what happens exactly ? do they use kwallet ? what happens on a new kde profile ? [12:17] robotgeek: can BT adaptor works on your ibook ? [12:18] freeflying-ibook: i dont have inbuilt [12:18] Tonio_: they don't use kwallet [12:18] freeflying-ibook: so that's not a kwallet issue........ [12:18] I didn't perform any konqueror config change except today [12:19] no change on that point [12:19] Tonio_: ya , for example , I needn't input my ID;pass for lauchpad when I access to it , but others had to [12:20] freeflying-ibook: hum......... would be interesting to know what happens on a fresh profile [12:20] too many changes between breezy and dapper to be sure some profiles may not crash [12:21] Tonio_: ok , I'll do freshinstall on my ibook and desktop [12:21] and therefore, new k-d-s settings are not applyied of rc files have been manually by users before [12:21] so only a test on a virgin profile can give an evidence there is an issue [12:21] that's why I'm currently using a new profile every day [12:21] Tonio_: actually I use the recently daily cd to install my ibook and desktop [12:22] freeflying-ibook: I was speaking for your friends having issues with konq ;) [12:22] could they create a new user and test on a new profile ? [12:22] then let me know [12:22] Tonio_: no problem , we now have a team for test on dapper [12:23] freeflying-ibook: perfect :) let me know [12:23] Tonio_: what do wanna test , just tell me [12:24] freeflying-ibook: already said ;) for your friends having problems with konq passwords, tell them to create a new user, then log with it, and test again [12:25] Tonio_: I mean any more ? :) [12:25] that would be a first shot :) there are good chances that it works according to me :) [12:27] freeflying-ibook: do you know if pbbuttonsd is used by kde? [12:28] robotgeek: sure [12:28] robotgeek: if you use ppc ,this shall be used [12:28] freeflying-ibook: the volume key for mute is disabled in /etc/pbbuttonsd.conf [12:29] robotgeek: I've changed it [12:34] hunger, Riddell (and other laptop users): I have sent proposal for kpowersave to kubuntu-devel [12:34] mornfall: smart is still very undecided, it's known that it'll annoy a lot of people if it happens [12:34] freeflying-ibook: doesn't work for me. now the other keys also don't work, lol [12:34] any feedback more than welcom [12:35] s/welcom/welcome!/ [12:35] freeflying-ibook: correction, mute birghtness etc work, but no popups [12:36] robotgeek: ya, no OSD [12:37] freeflying-ibook: i gotta run now, feel free to hilight me. [12:44] time for bed - good nite all [12:45] we'll see [12:45] i go to bed too [12:45] good night [12:46] Lure:nite [12:48] robotgeek: can your kubuntu on ppc suspend-to-disk [12:50] allee: digikam uploaded [12:52] raphink: great. With the new bugfix already? [12:52] allee: thanks much, digikam looks much greater now :) [12:52] allee: yep, I included the search fix in the merge :) [12:52] gave me a good reason to not go through elmo ;) [12:52] raphink: whow. Great! [12:52] allee: it'll be build soon :) [12:53] allee: that's thanks to you :D [12:53] raphink: looks like I have to go now: found a stupid problem that creates lots of grey hairs and now digikam is update. It only can get worser!! === allee start a relaxed dance [12:54] hehe :) [12:55] anyone knows a way to block an ICQ user from ever asking for authorization to be added again? [12:55] I've got a bot asking to be added to my list once every 3 minutes === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tinin [n=tinin@249.Red-83-41-160.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:46] uff, crowded chanel [03:46] i hope you all are working on dapper now [03:47] and i hope you all make dapper able to play a fucking midi [03:48] i'm breaking my head on that [03:48] thanx === tinin [n=tinin@249.Red-83-41-160.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.113] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.113] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:23] freeflying-ibook: yes, it sleeps. i don't know what you mean suspend === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-170.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.183] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.183] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A643F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === andred [n=snatch@62.75.169.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgee1 [n=robotgee@host-24-225-190-218.patmedia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgee1 [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === infinitezeros [n=infinite@dialup-mum-203.94.233.96.mtnl.net.in] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:55] anyone from india here? [07:58] infinitezeros: i don't live there, but i am an indian [07:59] robotgeek:cool ... u know anyone who lives around bombay....i need a kubuntu cd [08:00] infinitezeros: you might want to contact pradeepto, he might be able to burn you one atleast [08:01] infinitezeros: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india [08:01] robotgeek: thanks a beaucoup mate.....ur the man === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:08] oh good, the cd is actually copying now [08:10] hobbsee:what cd? [08:11] infinitezeros: just a music cd - i tried before i reinstalled dapper, and it either wouldnt copy, or only copied very slowly [08:11] hobbsee: and dapper is? [08:12] infinitezeros: the release after breezy - it's in development... [08:13] hobbsee: cool u guys updating so fast its making my eyes spin [08:13] hehe [08:13] should be less now so than it was before [08:13] hobbsee im still on kde 3.2 :( === Hobbsee searches for a good wireless network changer [08:13] ouch! [08:13] so u guys know anything bout vector? [08:14] i mean vector linux...heard its really really really fast [08:15] infinitezeros: offtopic talk in #kubuntu-offtopic [08:16] robotgeek:hmm .... === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:29] robotgeek: u r working on kubuntu-guide now ? [08:30] freeflying: yes [08:32] robotgeek: docs package ? [08:32] freeflying: actually, i don't deal with the packaging [08:32] just content [08:33] robotgeek: got it , any translation on them now ? [08:33] freeflying: not until doc freeze, march 23rd === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-170.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === infinitezeros [n=infinite@dialup-mum-203.94.233.96.mtnl.net.in] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:02] hello [10:03] hey Tonio_ [10:04] hi Tonio_ [10:04] Tonio_: sorry to bug you, but what is the status of the Konqueror profiles [10:05] robotgeek: need to be discussed during the meeting [10:05] robotgeek: patching is really easy, so we have time or this [10:05] Tonio_: okay, cool. thanks === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] robotgeek: I was thinking about a bluetooth profile [10:16] in fact, there are shortcuts in the internet menu, but there is no way to get access to bluetooth:/ easilly [10:16] Tonio_: hmm, yes. i remember i had to type bluetooth:/// in knoq to get in [10:16] robotgeek: exactly [10:16] i did not know i could do that, i read on google [10:17] well you can upload to a mobile with tools in the K menu, but what about all services ? :) [10:17] so a Kubuntu Bluetooth profile could be interesting [10:17] people searching a bit could find that, and that can be documented quickly [10:18] Tonio_: if you include it, i will document it :) [10:18] robotgeek: I will discuss that with Riddell [10:18] but I can do that only if other profiles are removed, unless it'll become a complete mess in the profile list === Tonio_ is searching for a wallpaper [10:32] eventually [10:32] does someone run kopete here for many hours at a time, eg a day? there's a bug here that needs testing at some point... [10:34] Hobbsee: I run it, but still on Breezy (at work) - I plan to switch to Dapper over weekend [10:34] ah ok [10:34] I am waiting for Flight5 (expected tommorow) [10:35] Hobbsee: which bug? [10:35] bug 34045 [10:35] malone bug 34045 in kdenetwork kopete "Text input in kopete sometimes breaks" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34045 [10:35] no, that's the one i'm testing for now... [10:35] bug 34040 [10:35] malone bug 34040 in kdenetwork kopete "Kopete begins to use 95%cpu and becomes unresponsive. " [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34040 [10:37] never seen that on Breezy (heavy user of MSN + Google Talk/Jabber) [10:37] just needs some more testing, it looks like [10:38] I need to upgrade, as I need MSN file transfer (just fixed) [10:39] ah ok [10:39] i wouldnt mind doing some 0.12 packages [10:39] but the first things i want from svn are knetworkmanager (and associated deps)! [10:40] Hobbsee: +++++++++ [10:40] ;) [10:40] hehe why so Tonio_ [10:40] and hello, by the way [10:41] Hobbsee: hi ;) well I want knetworkmanager too ! [10:41] hehe [10:41] what do you need from cvs? network manager, something else, and knetworkmanager [10:41] i think i found the wrong svn directory too - doesnt look like it's been updated in ages [10:42] Hobbsee: nope, I want it in kubuntu directly, but that won't happen for dapper [10:42] true [10:43] maybe a separate repo, after it's been well tested or something, like the amarok 1.4beta1 upgrade, hopefully... [10:44] Hobbsee: 0.12 package for breezy is already available, and Tm_T will make one for dapper soon [10:44] andred: ah, thankyou :D - someone mentioned it a few days ago, i think it was Tm_T, that they wanted dapper packages [10:46] hi [10:47] hey allee [10:48] ho, ho Hobbsee [10:48] Hobbsee: You're plan working on (k)networkmanager? [10:49] i'd like to [10:49] i dont know - i havent done much with svn [10:50] Hobbsee: that not complicated. I survived yet with ~ 5 cmds :) [10:50] allee: have you seen my proposal for kpowersave on kubuntu-devel ML - I would like to get you feedback [10:50] hehe [10:50] Lure: I've read last night (or was it early morning??) === Hobbsee doesnt even know them, but would appreciate beign pointed to a howto [10:51] you need to compile [10:51] cvs libnl, networkmanager and knetworkmanager [10:51] Hobbsee: have a look at the svn handbook. chapter 3 or 4 is a short intro. [10:51] right, will do [10:52] Hobbsee: I created a loca repo and tried the examples. Helped me a lot to get confidence to use it to foreign repos [10:52] Hobbsee: svn? Maybe this: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch01s07.html [10:53] ok [10:53] Lure: It sound like kpowersave is better (not tried myself yet). So I'm all for it. Problem I see is that one user using gnome the same host runs in trouble. [10:55] Lure: but on the other hand I don't like the idea that KDE can't use best tool available, just because ubuntu uses something different :( [10:55] Lure: but after all we are one community [10:57] allee: I am not sure they get in trouble, as powersave will do the job also under GNOME [10:58] only problem is that g-p-m controls may not have impact on CPU freq (that is still assumtion I need to test) [10:58] allee: do you see shuting down other services as unacceptable for debian/universe package [10:59] (even though it is just to prevent damage) === Hobbsee backs up her system [11:03] Lure: in this case it looks like the ubuntu framework dissision has negative conseq. for KDE. Aka once more gnome does it better, just because we can use 1st class tool [11:03] Lure: I assume most important is testing and feedback [11:05] Lure: and I very busy so can't do anything :( Nevertheless power and network mgt are my top prio, as soon as I'm done with the 2 clusters. [11:07] Lure: can't we devel install this in an extra repo, for now. Announce it, with pros and making a fat note about the cons too. [11:08] allee: thanks - will try to do something over weekend (off for CeBit tommorow) [11:09] Lure: uh, have fun. I was once there. And I definitely perfer smaller events! [11:09] Lure: make sure tacket is giving out those Kubuntu CDs [11:10] Riddell: didn't know Ubuntu is there - I have just one busy day, so will see (start at 4:00, back at 23:30 :-() [11:11] Lure: I don't kno if Ubuntu is there either, but Kubuntu should be === Lure looking exhibitor list where they could be located [11:13] probably with KDE [11:14] only found this for KDE/Ubuntu: http://www.cebit.de/suche/popup/trefferliste-links-unten.html?vst_jahr=2006&vst_nummer=007&sprache=2&session=3&standfinder=# [11:16] "OSS: Linux Debian PostgreSQL KDE Kolab" [11:17] by credativ === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrFaber [n=MrFaber@tor/session/x-a7a5cd7b8c5afb54] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:21] hi all [11:22] hello MrFaber [11:22] hi [11:22] hi Hobbsee [11:22] hi Riddell [11:22] Has anyone tested Kaffeine with [11:22] DVDs in Dapper? [11:23] y [11:23] which it can't access [11:23] it uses a different path than in brezzy [11:23] no /dev/cdrom [11:23] lol [11:23] or /dev/dvd [11:23] it is the same [11:23] you need libdvdcss and libxine-extracodecs at least [11:23] I have it [11:23] yea [11:23] it is a path problem [11:23] then whats your device name [11:24] one second [11:24] starting Dapper [11:24] if its like hdc [11:24] no [11:24] then its a udev problem [11:24] something with s [11:24] hmm [11:24] I can give you the correct path [11:24] dvds with vlc works [11:24] with the standard path [11:24] or standard device [11:25] And Kaffeine tells me that I have libdvdcss, win32codecs and so on [11:25] btw. the new login design looks very good === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:28] hm, thats weired [11:29] In my dapper kaffeine settings /dev/dvd is set but on the laptop of a friend of mine there is another device with a strange name [11:29] Maybe it is fixed or it has something to do with the laptop [11:29] I ask him to update and then I post it here [11:32] Riddell, the kubuntu kde skin isn't already integrated in kubuntu packages? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:38] MrFaber: skin for what? [11:38] Kubuntu has its own kde design. [11:38] If you change one desing setting you can't recover it [11:38] without removing .kde afaik [11:38] oh, we need a .theme file you mean [11:38] So a Kubuntu-Skin would be very usefull [11:38] theme, yes [11:38] we're still playing with the theme but we should try and remember to do that [11:39] thanks [11:39] Ok, DVD works with updates [11:39] seems to be fixed [11:39] sorry [11:40] MrFaber: in kaffine? [11:40] yes [11:40] I have find the bug, waited some time, updated again it still doesn't work so I though that it wasn't fixed [11:41] I wonder what changed [11:42] don't know, now /dev/dvd is set unter xine enigne parameters, but maybe I have changed it :) [11:46] I hope that KDE VNC can use outgoing connections in future version so that the kde vnc server connects to a client since many new users can't manage their firewall. [11:48] Something like SC UltraVNC is such great for supporters === Tonio__ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] Riddell: any news concerning kdeprint ? otherwise, I will contact pitti [11:55] Tonio__: I have no news [11:55] Riddell: okay, I will try to contact him concerning that cups error [11:56] Riddell: shoudn't skim depend on Zn locales or something ? [11:56] Riddell: I can't figure out what usage will americans or europeans with this..... [11:56] I think the locales should depend on skim [11:56] I noticed that, too [11:57] from the ubuntu-devel ML, it seems it's the case for GNOME, too [11:57] i.e. gnome has scim by default [11:57] which I think is as big a mistake as skim for kubuntu [11:57] and I must say that will get users lost, cause you have it directly in the systray.... [11:57] mhm [11:57] skim is very usefull, but only for asian people [11:57] I have this icon in my systray that does nothing when I click it :s [11:58] Lure: I've send a reply to your proposal. Btw. do you manage the debian dirs of *powersave* in a svn/cvs/baz whatever repo? [11:58] so having it worldwide installed is, I think, a mistake [11:58] raphink: yes, that's a little issue, everything is in the right click [11:58] allee: hey ;) [11:58] Hi Tonio! [11:59] allee: we need to find a way to correct the issue my system:/ patch created [11:59] Tonio_: btw. the same I wrote about *powersave* it true somethoe for the *netwitch* [11:59] we don't have anymore bug issues with kubuntu, which is good [11:59] Tonio_: only difference is that current plan is to replace it with (k)networkmanager. [12:00] allee: well, for dapper ? [12:00] or dapper+1 ? ;) [12:00] cause I don't talk about dapper+1 actually, it is like speaking about kde4 everytime we talk about a kde problem :) [12:00] Tonio_: afaiu your suggestion was *netswitch for dapper and knetworkmanager for dapper+1 [12:00] I need to contact kamion to get informations on netswitch [12:00] allee: yes [12:01] so how is *netswitch doing? [12:01] and more than that, netswitch is in universe [12:01] not main....... [12:01] but even though it is not perfect, knetswitch is THE ONLY graphical tool that works correctly and let you conect a wifi network...... [12:01] Tonio_: Hobbsee *netswitch need quite some polishing testing before we can dare to ask for main [12:02] allee: I never planned to ask for main ;) [12:02] allee: and do we have testing packages? [12:02] allee: won't have digikam anytime soon, it seems the build farm began to rebuild everything yesterday :( [12:02] i'm testing wireless a lot, at the moment [12:02] allee: still not in universe, which makes me embarrassed [12:02] Tonio_: without IM variable set .skim will not bring up [12:02] Hobbsee: in KDE Extrateam repo are the debian dirs [12:02] ok [12:03] freeflying: when booting this morning, I have skim in my systray [12:03] freeflying: well, the problem is that briging it up is realy interesting for chinese ;) [12:03] freeflying: and I have set nothing [12:03] freeflying: maybe with a wrapper [12:03] freeflying: I don't think Europeans and Americans (and more) want skim in their systray by default [12:03] allee: any idea what happens to *netswitch actually ? [12:04] no new, no mail, nothing [12:04] Tonio_: then disable it in k-d-s [12:04] raphink: Idon't think they want it installed at all [12:04] Tonio_: agreed [12:04] freeflying: well the point is that it should be a depend of language packs, since it's language related [12:04] Tonio_: no idea. No time to work on this yet [12:04] freeflying: like the kde lang pack for zh should depend on it [12:05] freeflying: well the idea would be to have it enabled for chinese, cause it is very usefull for t hemand simply not installed for other people [12:05] imo [12:05] freeflying: it is not complicated to have Zn locale depending skim [12:05] very simple to do [12:05] Tonio_: fwiw codeine source are in archive, but no binaries. Maybe the same with *netswitch ? I have to time to check build logs yet [12:05] freeflying: that would be a very clean solution [12:05] allee: okay [12:06] can you let me aware ? I will contact kamion if we see an issue with it :) [12:06] allee: tested in pbulder yesterday to unsure, everything was okay, and well, there is not pb for me [12:07] Tonio_: language-pack-kde-zh will not depend on these stuff at all [12:08] freeflying: why? [12:09] Tonio_: no *netswitch src are not in archive yet: apt-cache showsrc knetswitch | grep Directory [12:09] raphink: I've communicate with pitti [12:09] hmmm that's good [12:09] there are millions of Ubuntu users who don't speak of word of any asian language [12:09] raphink: the only one is language-support-zh [12:09] and don't want skim on their desktop [12:10] raphink: skim is not in ubuntu's cd === Tonio__ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] allee: thanks for feedback - I agree with proposed order of events [12:10] freeflying: huh? [12:11] freeflying: how can a package not be in the cd and be in kubuntu-desktop task ? [12:11] raphink: in ubuntu , it's scim [12:11] well I don't mind how it's called [12:11] allee: I just need to investigate what dpkg-divert means (I am new to debian packaging). [12:11] my life is not centered on this package [12:11] I just want to point out that a vast majority of people don't want this by default [12:12] and that we have criteriae to determine who needs it and who does not [12:12] and to have it installed only for people who need it [12:12] through language depends [12:12] allee: for some reason, i cant find any of knetswitch [12:12] do you happen to have where they are? === Tonio__ is gonna start a wiki page to resume the list of major bugs, todo things for dapper [12:13] Tonio__: great - I am lost in Malone (no good overview) [12:13] raphink: actually , the number of guys use skim will be much big than don't at all :) [12:13] freeflying: skim/scim is very usefull, but not for everyone [12:13] Lure: hehe yeah, they changed the format of malone, and the searches. grr [12:13] freeflying: this is not a reason to impose it to everyone [12:13] Tonio_: but they for too many [12:14] freeflying: having a french dictionary in main would be useful to many I'm sure [12:14] freeflying: but I would never impose that [12:14] raphink: Tonio_ , actually , we can disable it in k-d-s [12:14] specific things can be added optionaly [12:15] freeflying: and don't get me wrong, I'm very happy there is such a thing as scim/skim in Ubuntu/Kubuntu, but I just don't want it by default on my computer [12:16] raphink: u will not use everything in your computer as installed defautly , so can you remove the m? [12:16] freeflying: it's not about it being installed even, it's in my systray by default! [12:17] I'm ok with it being in the Kmenu maybe [12:17] but not in the systray by default [12:17] raphink: I've said thet it can be disable in k-d-s [12:17] freeflying: well I don't agree that it's a good policy to install for everybody and disable blindly for everybody [12:18] we have a dependencies system [12:18] let's use it [12:18] smartly [12:18] raphink: ok, if u can persuade pitti, i'd like to [12:18] ok let's go persuade pitti then [12:19] raphink: I will not , I have done ,but fail [12:19] raphink: so ,hope u can solve this === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] hello [12:19] hi pitti [12:19] I'd be interested in scim/skim feedback :) [12:20] well basically our discussion here is about scim/skim by default pitti [12:20] pitti: I booted this morning and got skim in my systray [12:20] my language is French [12:20] I have never used an asian language [12:20] I'm not sure crowding the systray with skim is a good idea for EUropean/American/more users [12:20] why not have skim depend on the kde lang packs for asian languages? [12:20] so only people who need it get it [12:21] raphink: well, we don't have split kde/gnome language-support-* packages [12:21] huh? [12:21] for fr you have [12:21] so we need to differentiate between ubuntu and kubuntu somehow [12:21] raphink: we have for language-pack-* [12:21]