[12:02] infinity, sounds like bistromathics during happy hour ;) === wil`yum [n=Bill@dyn3-137.dialpool.michonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] is there a channel or on-line forum where i can find out about testing? [12:10] wil`yum, people who test Ubuntu dapper hang out in #ubuntu+1 [12:11] thank you Seveas === wil`yum [n=Bill@dyn3-137.dialpool.michonline.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client] === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.238.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] does some other ia32-libs-* package provide libasound2? [12:13] any objections to name the new ia32-libs package ia32-libs-games, containing sdl and asound for now? this is whats needed for commercial games. Kamion: would you accept this for universe? === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [12:18] Kamion: ? [12:19] --- [Kamion] idle 01:06:11, signon: Wed Mar 8 07:44:08 [12:19] wouldn't surprise me if he's sleeping [12:19] ah, ok [12:19] Who authorised that? [12:19] lol [12:20] ah, hi infinity [12:20] Sleep exception authorized by Matt Zimmerman [12:20] infinity: I asked doko before, he told me to apply a patch from mrvn and only include really needed libraries === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F713E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] infinity: I have now a ia32-libs-games package ready for upload, containing libsdl and libasound2 [12:21] tseng: I'll have to have a word with Matt about that one. If we let Colin sleep, the release will never happen. [12:21] infinity: whom do I need to ask for authorisation to upload? [12:21] siretart: Have you double-checked that asound doesn't live somewhere else? === siretart checks again [12:22] siretart: Like, say, lib32asound2 [12:22] (maybe?) [12:22] interesting. since when do we have that package? [12:22] It's been a few weeks, I think. [12:22] ah, I see. [12:24] siretart: so probably ia32-libs-games should depend on lib32asound2 [12:24] doko: yepp. will do [12:24] Seveas: who started #ubuntu+1 ? [12:24] Seveas: and since when? :) [12:25] ompaul and myself did that quite recently [12:25] to reduce the traffic in #ubuntu [12:25] Seveas: ah, sounds good. I see there are many users there, nice. [12:25] doko: should it be called ia32-libs-games or ia32-libs-sdl? it contains just sdl libs for now [12:25] Seveas: did it helps for hte ubuntu traffic? [12:25] Freenode having a burp helped better [12:25] but I got mad at lilo for that ;) [12:26] but yeah, it helps [12:26] Seveas: he told me there are some servers added etc, I wonder if this ever took place.. [12:27] few days ago the complete net was restarted [12:27] and some fuckups in the code caused everyone to be kicked from #ubuntu [12:27] never been more quiet in there === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] hehe [12:28] send lilo my thanks :) [12:28] Seveas, how do I go about getting a mask? [12:29] step one is becoming a member [12:29] step two is poking me [12:29] having done both, you should just wait until I talk to lilo again [12:30] can I have it for Burgundavia and Burglaptop as well? [12:30] you should link them [12:30] Burgwork: Those should be aliases under one nickserv account. [12:30] /ns link Burgundavia burgundavias_password [12:30] same for BurgLaptop [12:30] isn't Burgwork a member? [12:30] work and laptop are linked to Burgundavia [12:31] sivang, of course he is === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away [12:32] there are now 75 people with ubuntu/member cloaks [12:32] Seveas, cheers, thanks [12:33] Burgwork, you wil be the 76th, I didn't speak to lilo yet [12:33] Seveas, I am thanking you in advance [12:33] hehe, you're welcome === Seveas gone, bedtime [12:34] infinity: assuming that there are no other packages providing 32bit sdl, I have a ia32-libs-sdl package ready. it depends on lib32asound2 and makes my quake4 work. whom do I need to ask for permission to upload this? === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] siretart: Kamion/mdz, I suspect. Are you taking responsibility for watching libsdl uploads and making sure your package stays in sync with the i386 binaries in the archive? === comfrey [n=comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] infinity: in the scope of my duty as motu-games team lead, yes, I intend to do so === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] whee: cc1: error: scripttrack.c: Input/output error [12:44] scripttrack.c:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault [12:44] Please submit a full bug report, [12:44] I hate it when this happens :( === mdz [n=mdz@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] hi mdz. [12:56] (coincidence?, I just finished my mail to you) === ttread [n=ted@c-24-4-207-144.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [01:00] siretart: good evening === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === nictuku [n=yves@201.14.124.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === makinen [i=makinen@wire158.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] mdz: There's yet another new upstream release of fglrx, can I get a UVF exception? (It includes some bugfixes, and more importanly, some new hardware support) === Robot101 [n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DanielSHaischt [n=DanielSH@daniel-s-haischt.biz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] hello, I am trying to dist-upgrade a debian system to dapper. unfortunatly at the time I am getting an arror in /var/lib/dpkg/info/initscripts.postinst ... [02:25] line 'mount -n --move /var/run /tmp/.var.run' at the near end of the file fails with a permission denied === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.10.74.169.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iram [n=iram@eycb01-00-cntnga-69-164-216-192.atlaga.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iram [n=iram@eycb01-00-cntnga-69-164-216-192.atlaga.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === rcliii [n=rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pietrus [n=pietrus@c9259f0a.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] mjg59: ping [03:12] Amaranth: Hi [03:12] mjg59: you packaged aiglx, right? [03:12] Yes [03:13] don't suppose you'd know why i'm getting ioctl(4, DECODER_SET_PICTURE, 0x7fb30fd8) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) when i try running spiftacity [03:14] that's from strace [03:14] Nope [03:14] hrm [03:14] makes it drop down to mesa indirect rendering which is slow [03:14] and i get solid white window fun [03:15] the only thing i could think of was bad permissions on /dev/dri/card0, but changing those doesn't seem to help [03:19] brb === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] ok, so it's definately aiglx's fault [03:29] with xorg glxinfo doesn't give me that error [03:30] wait, yes it does [03:30] but direct rendering still works [03:30] so it must be a worthless error message === chninkel_away [n=yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.10.73.129.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 is now known as stub === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-170.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke__ [n=matt@81-178-253-217.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi is now known as wasabi_ === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-172-206-60.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rotund [n=joe@69-179-20-140.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:56] Good morning [06:57] anyone here have info about the QA position jdub advertised on his blog? [06:58] Rotund: yes - http://www.ubuntu.com/employment [06:59] morning pitti [06:59] Hi Burgundavia, how are you? [07:00] I was wondering more about things like "is it work from home?" [07:01] pitti: not bad. Grinding through the reviews on this Ubuntu book [07:02] Rotund: no, it wouldn't be [07:03] jdub: where would one work from? [07:04] Rotund: an office in montreal [07:07] jdub: any chance you could give me the information on how the organization would work? (where on works from, general expected salary, benefits) I'm currently quite happy with my job, but the prospect of working on Linux is quite appealling. [07:07] you answered the where already [07:08] Rotund: you should reply to the job posting using the addresses provided :-) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rcliii [n=rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === comfrey [n=comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.157.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-154-109.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coyctecm [n=coyctecm@a85-156-177-86.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A643F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-069-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:15] I agree, but I was wanting a little background on the rest of what the job would entail. I wouldn't want to apply for a job that requiring moving to Australia or such (no offense, just too far from home). I suppose Canada also sets the "would I get health insurance?" answer =) I'm certainly willing to take some "hit" to be able to work on Linux instead of killing people (in QA for military work now). Anywho, thanks. [07:16] Rotund: you don't have to apply to reply :-) [07:17] ('course, i don't know if replying without applying would necessarily encourage a lot of answers, but you never know.) [07:18] cool. thanks a lot. [07:18] jdub: what do you think of this patch https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/34088 ? [07:19] malone bug 34088 in gnome-session "[PATCH] Logo in Logout Dialog" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [07:22] joelbryan: it's really unnecessary branding, and looks pretty ugly actually - sorry [07:22] joelbryan: we try and avoid over branding the desktop. It makes it difficult for our derivatives [07:23] that's not the reason why [07:23] a huge part of it is that making our software look like a sponsored racing car with stickers all over it is just ugly and intrusive [07:26] yeah but racing cars get chicks in bikinis [07:26] if the software came with hot chicks in bikinis.... === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.157.180] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.157.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.157.180] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:26] lifeless: down boy :) [07:27] lifeless: we stopped shipping porn :) [07:27] jdub: and I still regret that ;) [07:29] lifeless: weren't you getting married soon? :) === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:29] hi viviersf === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.157.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] yo ajmitch_ [07:30] sup ? [07:30] ajmitch_: yes [07:30] ajmitch_: so the last time I'll ever have sex is approaching.... and ? [07:31] haha === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] jdub: don't take those images personally, those where just my examples, I'm just helping the user what to expect with those button actions. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pusling [i=pusling@195.215.29.124] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:37] joelbryan: an ubuntu logo doesn't help the user understand what to expect. tooltips would. [07:37] better icons would. [07:38] a message would. [07:38] you can't put text in an image [07:38] it won't adapt to the users font settings, or be translatable (without a lot of unnecessary work) [07:41] I'm about to use Xegl with my s3 trio vc, i've been up all night.. how will i provide patches for xegl? [07:43] I really dislike the current dialog btw. [07:43] send them to the xorg list [07:43] Just to voice my opinion. [07:43] 6 buttons is too much. === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:43] wasabi: i'm just happy we got out logout menu item back :P [07:43] Amaranth: xorg? [07:43] wasabi: yeah, that opinion has been voiced a bit :) [07:43] It's not clear or easy at all. [07:43] err, our [07:43] I like apples. [07:43] is not in ubuntu? [07:43] You click shutdown, it asks you if you want to. [07:43] Simple. [07:43] joelbryan: xegl? no [07:43] I don't propose to know where to put all the other options. ;) [07:44] I can now use vesa with xegl and compiz [07:44] joelbryan: no, you use vesa with xglx and compiz [07:44] which would be...slow [07:45] Amaranth: I'm close to it.. [07:45] xegl is something completely different [07:45] Also I think there is a big distinction between the two actions one might want to do: manage the machine, and manage the session. [07:45] it's basically a rewrite of the xserver to run on straight OpenGL [07:45] wasabi: yes, I think 6 buttons is too much. [07:46] there should be a way to hide those icons [07:46] wasabi: that's what every other system (including GNOME 2.14) does [07:46] There are too many options also. I just don't know how to fix it. [07:47] wasabi: fix == revert to GNOME 2.14 setup :-) [07:47] what the heck is the diff ebtween sleep and hibernate? [07:47] even i don't know. [07:47] doesn't gnome-panel upstream basically have a copy of what OS X does? [07:47] sleep == ram, hibernate == disk (hibernate means you won't lose your session ever, whatever your power status) [07:47] Amaranth: roughly [07:47] wasabi: these are windows terms :P [07:47] Here's an interesting question. [07:47] I know this will be weird. ;) [07:48] Why would you ever want to Shutdown, if you have Sleep and Restart available? [07:48] jdub: last time i checked the text was _exactly_ the same, gnome just had an extra button [07:48] ANd Hibernate. [07:48] how about expander? titled "Other Options" and Sleep, Hibernate, Switch user and Lock screen" [07:48] wasabi: drivers suck [07:48] Amaranth: excuse. :) [07:48] wasabi: zombies? [07:49] wasabi: because [07:49] Amaranth: fix the zombie-causers ;) [07:49] Amaranth: reboot. [07:49] heh [07:49] Treenaks: you mean make burning a cd not suck? :) [07:49] Reboot, Sleep, Hibernate. [07:49] joelbryan: that just gets in the way. look at the way it's done in GNOME 2.14 - much clearer. [07:50] Amaranth: I've never had zombies while burning CDs; zombies hate fire :P [07:50] wasabi: so now i have to reboot, wait for the computer to come back up, then sleep? [07:50] I would even elimine hibernate [07:50] Amaranth: why would you? [07:50] and the logout _icons_ are not themeable [07:50] if you select sleep, the system also hibernates at the same time [07:50] wasabi: when you want to change harddrive? ;-) [07:50] joelbryan: they will be [07:50] thus if you lose power, you get the same session regardless [07:50] Pssh. I know. I'm just bring up stupid points. [07:50] wasabi: i'm taking the computer somewhere and want to clear out zombies [07:50] I can fix it! [07:50] :P [07:51] Burgundavia: it takes a lot longer (and more power) to hibernate [07:51] Well, I still maintain there is a very big difference between session and power management. [07:51] Burgundavia: other systems sleep until there's only enough battery left to hibernate, then they hibernate and switch off [07:51] And there's no reason to combine the two. [07:51] that is the other solution [07:51] I wondered if that was possible [07:51] System > Power; System > Exit [07:52] wasabi: with different strings [07:52] Power brings up *simple dialog*, Shutdown, Restart, Sleep, Hibernate. [07:52] the hibernate feature in flight cd 1 works for me, but now I got the latest release, hibernate doesn't work anymore. [07:52] wasabi: mark's rationale is that users want a single "go away now" button [07:52] jdub: well they have 7. [07:52] now. [07:52] how about Mac OSX style? [07:52] The simple "go away" button should be on the front of their case. [07:52] WHen you press it, it hibernates. [07:52] Heh [07:52] wasabi: no, one single button to get to that point [07:53] Well, I don't see why. [07:53] Pssh and even then, the string is named Log Out $user now. [07:54] I'll make a patch, of what other possible looks for hiding other things. [07:54] Which might not be accurate if you don't actually log out. [07:54] System > Exit. [07:54] That might work. :0 [07:54] joelbryan: GNOME upstream does it 'Mac OS X' style. [07:54] cool! [07:54] wasabi: it will be changed to 'Quit', I believe [07:55] I can handle that. [07:55] Still think the big dialog is too unweildy, though. [07:55] It takes me time to scan it. [07:55] the only visible option is Logout, Restart, Shutdown. and other will be clickable. [07:55] wasabi: there is a bug open fot it [07:55] so whats the ui sprint been all about ? [07:56] Anyways, my desktop rocks. That is all. [07:56] Good night. [07:56] lifeless: polish. [07:57] you don't mean western europeans with funny accents do you ? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.10.73.129.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sebi_ [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-64-134.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] jdub: what are you thoughts on the WinFoss stuff on the cd? [08:13] Burgundavia: i like it. what are you asking? [08:13] jdub: just wondering. I have two minds. One part of me says get rid of it, due to space. The other part wonders if we are under utilizing the marketing potential there [08:14] we're not telling enough people about it [08:14] if there's space there, it's useful [08:16] should we add a note to the download page about the windows stuff? [08:16] and the CD cover [08:16] 06:04 < jdub> Rotund: an office in montreal [08:16] jdub: er - are you sure you aren't confusing support and QA there? === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] jdub: last I checked (when I was interviewing a candidate for the QA position), the QA job was work-from-home [08:17] ie "This cd also contains Free/Open Source Windows software" [08:17] Kamion: oh, i must've missed his mention of QA [08:17] shouldn't there be a dapper entry? http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libmjpegtools0 [08:21] CarlFK: try libmjpegtools0c2a [08:21] roger === carlk [n=juser@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] lives: Depends: libmjpegtools0 (>= 1:1.6.3+rc2-0.0ubuntu2) but it is not installable [08:26] file a bug on it [08:26] I was wondering how to ask... thanks === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] morning pitti [08:29] hi ajmitch_ === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] Kamion: anymore I can do on the debian-installer nfs stuff? [08:37] morning all === sivang runs out === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-170.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] dAndy: I've punted to the kernel guys for now [08:41] Kamion: saw that, sounds good, thanks === mvo [n=egon@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] morning mvo [08:42] hello ajmitch_ [08:43] mvo: morning. Where are you at with automaticupdates? It is dying on being run for me [08:43] ogra: apparently, gss doesn't do the "let's lock every five minutes" dance if g-p-m is running.. [08:43] Burgundavia: dying in what way? [08:49] Mithrandir, ah, intresting [08:55] uhm, the current mountnfs doesn't mount nfs4-shares, because they need rpc.idmap/rpc.gssd running which are started by nfs-common [08:55] Morning guys [08:56] ping: BenC, dholbach, fabbione, infinity, iwj, jbailey, heno, Kinnison, keybuk, ogra, seb128, sivan ,Riddell -> meeting [08:58] i am here [09:01] no dapper-live.jigdo ? [09:02] CarlFK: it wouldn't make any kind of sense. === dholbach [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] Mithrandir: there are ones for server and desktop [09:02] desktop = .. um.. normal [09:03] CarlFK: do you know how jigdo works? :-) [09:03] yup [09:03] you? ;) [09:03] yes [09:03] given that you most likely don't have a local mirror with something resembling casper/filesystem.squashfs jigdo would just give you a 500MB-ish .template file. [09:04] good. I have ubuntu and -userver. I bet the live CD uses many of the files from those, I bet I am close [09:04] no, the compression on the live cd is different than in the .debs [09:04] just use rsync instead. [09:04] ahh right [09:05] you should have asked me if I knew how the live CD was ... um.. compressed. [09:05] ;) [09:05] heh [09:07] you seem on top of this - is there an RSS feed that anounces when new .torrents are up? [09:07] not that I know of [09:08] we do put them up daily or more often, though === mdke__ is now known as mdke [09:09] yeah - I cron/wget the .torrents evey hour between 1 and 5am so that by 7 BT has it [09:09] Mithrandir: got an e-mail addr I can send a write up I did on combining BT with jigdo? [09:10] CarlFK: what kind of write-up? As in, to me, or to upstream or .. ? [09:10] I was posted to the jigdo list, but that is the deades list ever [09:10] to someone ;) [09:11] debian-cd@lists.debian.org, possibly? [09:11] to whoever is interested in reducing server/mirror load [09:11] ug.. antother list ;) [09:11] but ok [09:11] you can post to it without being subscribed [09:11] if someone thinks it is the right place, ill post [09:12] I'd guess it might be, at least. [09:12] well, it is on 90% baked - I want to be around for the response [09:12] have the signup url handy? [09:13] echo subscribe | mail debian-cd-request@lists.debian.org, iirc [09:13] http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/ [09:13] thanks 2x [09:14] CarlFK: it's fairly low traffic. reducing server load isn't a huge priority though. [09:14] maswan: but shiny stuff is, isn't it? :-) [09:14] Mithrandir: sure [09:14] lol [09:14] swell [09:14] maybe this will fall into that category ;) [09:15] CarlFK: doing torrent seeding with just a main mirror and a jigdo+template file? [09:15] yup [09:16] BT can update a dir of files without too much "waste" === lixus [n=lixuss@lixus.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] so use BT to move the files around and jigdo to assemble the .iso [09:16] ah [09:16] that way around [09:21] speaking of BT - dapper-live-i386.iso.torrent has been looking for a seed for 20 min === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] CarlFK: but as I said, generally it's just as useful to just use rsync to update the ISOs. [09:22] im trying to be nice to your servers ;) [09:23] but okee dokee - i can do rsync... I sync I have that url around here somewhere [09:23] cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/daily-live/current/dapper-live-i386.iso === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] thanks [09:34] jdub: around? === bmon [n=monnahan@172.Red-83-40-82.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] siretart: That changelog for ia32-libs-sdl doesn't really seem right. :) [09:46] I noticed that, but the package itself seemed O [09:46] K [09:47] gnarf. this was the result of the confusion about the name yesterday [09:47] siretart: The name, whether or not it contains libasound (it doesn't, right), etc... [09:47] siretart: IOW, the whole chanelog looks wrong. [09:47] infinity: I'll fix it in the next upload, okay? [09:48] siretart: Yup, I've got nothing against revisionist history in changelogs. :) [09:48] Kamion: btw, I uploaded a package for multiverse, x264 some time ago. was it rejected? is it still in NEW? [09:54] Kamion: mozilla-thunderbird-locale-{ca,de,fr,it,nl,pl,uk} sources+binaries can be removed [09:55] Kamion: also, I think that the new binaries from thunderbird-locales are in NEW [09:55] siretart: still in NEW, sorry, I think I was too scared to do multiverse stuff [09:56] pitti: queued [09:56] pitti: don't see them there [09:56] ah, okay [09:56] hmm [09:56] Kamion: its basically taken from marillat. we have already a bunch of other packages from him in multiverse, so I thought that would be okay for multiverse [09:57] Kinnison: I uploaded a new source thunderbird-locales yesterday, the debs are mostly NEW, but they aren't in the NEW queue; any idea what happened to them? [09:57] Not without looking === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] Give me 10 minutes and then I'll go look. If Kamion hasn't found them in the meantime :-) [09:57] siretart: oh, probably, I just don't entirely know the ropes on what we allow [09:57] Kamion: ^^^ [10:02] Kinnison: maybe they have the same fate as yesterday's disappeared/rejected poppler debs === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] maybe, but without my usb keyfob I can't do anything and I'll get yelled at if I go back into the bedroom before rob's ready :-) === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] pitti: right, gotta restbreak now before my computer explodes at me, will look the moment I get back [10:09] Kamion/mdz: any chance of an UVF exception for tailor? We have 0.9.19-2, a trivial recompile of 0.9.20 works correctly with bzr in dapper. [10:09] Kinnison: enjoy breakfast :) thanks === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] Kamion/mdz: While you're in the UVF mood, I need a UVF exception for the latest fglrx (adds support for more ATI cards to the binary driver), and minor bump for AVM Fritz (and amd64 only) to make doko's isdn doohickey like him better. === carlos [n=carlos@62.87.127.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-241-28.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] how can I edit my bug contacts in Malone? [10:13] Mithrandir: link to the upstream changelog? [10:13] infinity: that one I think I'll leave to mdz :-) [10:14] pitti: +subscribe on the relevant source package [10:14] ah, thanks [10:14] linked as "Bugmail Settings" in the right-hand-side portlet === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] pitti: no idea what happened to thunderbird-locales, I can't find it in lp_archive's mailboxes? [10:16] Kinnison: where else should I look other than /var/mail/lp_archive and ~lp_archive/mbox? [10:16] Kamion: Spoilsport. === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] Kamion: http://progetti.arstecnica.it/tailor/timeline?from=23%2F12%2F2005&daysback=42&milestone=on&changeset=on&update=Update is the clostest I could find. [10:28] Mithrandir: ok, go ahead [10:29] Kamion: /srv/launchpad.net/builddmaster === Kinnison goes to look anyway now [10:31] is launchpad the place for: live cd, f1 for help, f3 for "boot methods" - the text says do this and that at "the boot prompt" but that went away [10:33] pitti: [10:33] 15:32:16 INFO Rejected: 15:32:16 INFO mozilla-thunderbird-locale-de_1.5ubuntu20060130_all.deb: Version older than that in the archive. 1.5ubuntu20060130 <= 1:1.0.7-1ubuntu1 [10:33] Kinnison: argh, I love epochs [10:33] :-) === Kinnison hugs pitti [10:33] Kinnison: sorry for bothering then [10:33] that's okay [10:33] I need to find some way to append the upload log to the build item I think [10:33] CarlFK: you can still just press enter ... it's just that the "boot prompt" is now a full screen [10:33] it'd help [10:34] CarlFK: if you want to file a bug, use the debian-installer source package (which for a change is actually accurate, not a catch-all) [10:34] heh ;) [10:34] Kinnison: any idea what's wrong with the poppler debs? [10:35] Kamion, do you know if there is winfoss on my edubuntu live cds ? (i actually never tested it but i'm a bit shocked by 30MB overhead on amd64) === seb128 [n=seb@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] (is there a way to find that out easily ?) [10:36] Kamion: now that libgcj-common is built from gcj-4.1 it should be possible to demote the gcj-4.0 source to universe. maybe manual intervention is needed for the cyclic gcj-4.0/libgcj6-dev dependency [10:36] pitti: kamion told you what was up. the control file was misformatted (or have you fixed that now?) [10:37] Kinnison: oh, I didn't see that; seb128, did you? ^ [10:37] no [10:37] how misformed? [10:37] misformated [10:38] the description for libpoppler1 I think [10:38] certainly the libpoppler1 deb is missing a Description field so it can't be imported into the archive [10:39] bah, nfs-utils is b0rked nfs4-wise.. need to package it myself [10:39] Kinnison: ah right, thank you [10:40] seb128: should be an easy fix :-) [10:40] Kinnison: would be nice to have some mail for soyuz in that case :p [10:41] seb128: yeah, it's hard to decide what to do when a binary upload fails [10:41] seb128: I'm fairly sure katie dropped it on the floor too [10:41] ogra: no, there isn't [10:42] tell the maintainer seems to be useful in any failure case, no? [10:42] ogra: look in colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0 bin/find-live-filesystem [10:42] seb128: not really, often causes maintainers to randomly work around things that are actually a buildd problem [10:42] thanks [10:42] Kamion: right [10:42] seb128: although I agree with you in the case of binary upload failures, just not "any failure case" [10:43] doko: cyclic dependencies shouldn't confuse germinate/anastacia [10:44] for poppler, there was a tab or spaces or something before Description in the control file === mdz_ [n=mdz@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] To be honest, that *ought* to have failed the package build [10:45] we should try and teach dpkg-gencontrol some basic requirements [10:45]