[12:20] <trappist> robotgeek: I just submitted a patch for it, thanks
[12:21] <robotgeek> trappist: thanks, i will wait till someone who works on UDG comits it
[12:21] <Burgwork> robotgeek, no patch is too small
[12:21] <Burgwork> robotgeek, don't you have upload rights now? (I am so behind on who does and doesn't)
[12:22] <robotgeek> Burgwork: i have commit rights
[12:22] <trappist> mmm... commit rights...
[12:22] <robotgeek> if i commit something there, and they don't svn up before working, mess will ensue for them
[12:22] <trappist> not usually
[12:23] <trappist> svn is pretty slick about merging changes
[12:23] <Burgwork> robotgeek, that is there problem, not yours
[12:23] <robotgeek> Burgwork: heh
[12:24] <Burgwork> s/their/there
[12:24] <Burgwork> hmm, ok. I can type and write English, honest!
[12:32] <robotgeek> trappist: committed, thanks
[04:04] <Madpilot> hi all
[04:16] <LaserJock> wow, we seem to be on a grammer/spelling blitz. 
[04:16] <LaserJock> maybe the status reports would be good for this
[04:20] <LaserJock> who did the installation guides?
[04:21] <Madpilot> no idea - but the grammar/spelling tear is needed :P
[04:22] <LaserJock> I agree, but it might be a waste of effort to do a lot of work on docs/sections that are still in flux
[04:22] <robotgeek> i swear the spelling nazi is aspell
[04:24] <LaserJock> probably, but the grammar is a killer ;-)
[04:25] <Madpilot> Bluefish actually has aspell built right in, with a useful little GUI and everything - I only found it last night
[04:26] <LaserJock> I have a nice key mapping in vim for it
[04:27] <robotgeek> LaserJock: care to share?
[04:28] <LaserJock> robotgeek: map <Leader>as <Esc>:!aspell -c --dont-backup "%"<CR>:e! "%"<CR><CR> 
[04:28] <LaserJock> is what I have now for aspell
[04:30] <robotgeek> LaserJock: okay, the leader thing confuses me, how do i use it ;P
[04:31] <LaserJock> it just uses whatever your leader is, usually \
[04:31] <LaserJock> but you can change that
[04:31] <LaserJock> so to spell check I do "\as"
[04:31] <robotgeek> thanks...figured it out 
[04:31] <robotgeek> too many things to remember for a text editor :P
[04:32] <robotgeek> LaserJock: nice mapping , it woeks
[04:32] <LaserJock> well, that was my biggest frustration with vim
[04:32] <robotgeek> works, i might now do my xml filetype thing with this
[04:32] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:32] <LaserJock> I was going to do that
[04:36] <robotgeek> well, maybe later on. i gotta finish some kdg stuff
[04:37] <LaserJock> how close is it to being finished do you think?
[04:37] <robotgeek> well, i think it's almost done. but it never is
[04:38] <robotgeek> only 3 sections with help needed (mostly need verification) 
[04:38] <robotgeek> the rest are all review
[04:39] <robotgeek> with about 10 in progress
[04:39] <LaserJock> I don't have any that are done :(
[04:40] <robotgeek> I did not know there was a www.kubuntuforums.net
[05:28] <LaserJock> crimsun_: I don't suppose you've had a chance to look at the packaging guide yet?
[05:29] <crimsun_> LaserJock: no progress since last week
[05:30] <crimsun_> I'm working on some alsa fixes to push to benC, will see if I can work some doc changes in tonight before I head to bed
[05:31] <robotgeek> hey Burgwork 
[05:31] <robotgeek> hey Burgundavia rather
[05:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: np, I can understand trying to get fixes in ASAP
[05:35] <robotgeek> mdke: did you know there was a www.kubuntuforums.net ?
[05:36] <LaserJock> robotgeek: looks pretty new
[05:36] <robotgeek> LaserJock: hmm, i am getting a better response there, actually :)
[05:37] <LaserJock> robotgeek: for the KDG?
[05:38] <robotgeek> yup
[05:42] <Burgundavia> salut robotgeek
[05:42] <robotgeek> i am wondering if i should use wiki.ubuntu.com or wiki.kubuntu.com
[05:43] <robotgeek> they are the same site, the wiki.kubuntu.com is prettier. but it does give a nasty certificate error
[05:44] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: can you file a rt bug about that?
[05:44] <Burgundavia> we might be able to get that fixed before release
[05:45] <robotgeek> lemme check if it happens again, need to clear cache and stuff
[05:46] <robotgeek> the name on the security certificate is invalid or does not match the name of the site
[05:48] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: should i file a bug for that message? what's a rt?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: rt is a ticket tracker
[05:49] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: happens even for www.launchpad.net, ;P
[05:57] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: any idea on how to file one, i am lost really
[06:00] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: you need to email rt-admin@canonical.com I believe
[06:00] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: hmm, okay. will do
[06:01] <robotgeek> howdy bhuvan 
[06:03] <bhuvan> hello robotgeek
[06:14] <Burgundavia> bhuvan: long time no see
[06:14] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: are you going to make me happy and package willow?
[06:15] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: it's not packaged yet?
[06:15] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: afaik, not
[06:15] <highvoltage> hmmm... seems not
[06:15] <highvoltage> i'll ask ogra, afaik it's going to be in dapper edubuntu, which means that it's got to be packaged somewhere.
[06:15] <highvoltage> perhaps it was dapper+1, i'm not sure
[06:16] <Burgundavia> he said dapper+1
[06:16] <highvoltage> but if it's not packaged, i'll certainly look into it, might be something fun to do over the weekend :)
[06:16] <Madpilot> what's willow?
[06:16] <Burgundavia> content filtering
[06:16] <Burgundavia> keep da kiddie from lookin at daddies pr0n
[06:16] <Madpilot> for depriving all the kids of their daily porn dose?
[06:16] <highvoltage> Madpilot: type willow proxy in your firefox address field and press enter
[06:17] <highvoltage> ah, here is the url: http://www.digitallumber.net/software/willow/
[06:18] <Madpilot> interesting, it comes with it's own stash of p0rn :P
[06:18] <Burgundavia> I had a great conversation with SILC about Ubuntu and Edubuntu
[06:19] <highvoltage> on SILC or with SILC?
[06:19] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, that was just this afternoon, right? Went well, then?
[06:19] <Madpilot> http://silc.ca/
[06:20] <Burgundavia> she was thrilled that I showed up, as they didn't have an Ubuntu person they could easily tap
[06:20] <Burgundavia> still waiting to hear back from ReStore. Might have to call them tomorrow
[06:22] <Madpilot> so what're silc planning with Ubuntu?
[06:23] <Burgundavia> it is going to be their platform of choice to recommend to partners to deploy
[06:23] <Burgundavia> ie: No Windows
[06:23] <Madpilot> very cool
[06:24] <Burgundavia> mostly they are targeting groups that need help with the digital divide
[06:25] <Burgundavia> this includes Natives, urban poor, prostitutes, adult illiterate, etc.
[06:28] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: sent off mail to rt-admin
[06:28] <bhuvan> Burgundavia, i use to come online often.. but may not speak much :)
[06:29] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: cheers
[06:38] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: thanks for BasicCommands
[06:38] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, glad you like it  :P
[06:39] <Madpilot> you using it for yourself, or were you showing it to the SILC folks?
[06:39] <Burgundavia> Appendix A of the Ubuntu book is going to borrow heavily for that and linuxcommand.org
[06:39] <Madpilot> guess we should get the wiki license sorted out, then...
[06:47] <Burgundavia> I just bought a rather expensive router cause the cheap one was caused me grief
[07:21] <Madpilot> so, if I'm adding sections on GIMP & Inkscape to the UDG, should I stuff them in Common Task's Office section, or create a new Graphics section in Common Tasks?
[07:26] <robotgeek> Madpilot: graphics section sounds better
[07:26] <robotgeek> and i think makes it easier to find
[07:26] <Burgundavia> for the UDG, can we remove or move the gnome office stuff?
[07:26] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, the Gnome Office stuff is mdke's baby - ask him about it
[07:28] <Madpilot> the gnome-office meta-package is large - if people just want Dia or something, it's a bit much
[07:29] <Burgundavia> better to break it out and talk about each program, where they are not duplicative
[07:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, that's what we had - at least for Dia & Planner - until a few days ago, when mdke__ decided to mention the entire gnome-office package
[07:31] <Burgundavia> ah, I see
[07:39] <Madpilot> the GIMP is still in Dapper by default, right?
[07:39] <crimsun_> yes
[07:39] <Madpilot> thanks
[07:40] <Burgundavia> there would be screams over that one
[07:41] <Madpilot> yanking it, you mean? I can imagine :P
[07:41] <Burgundavia> I would like to see Inkscape added for dapper+1
[07:42] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i think the cd space is a problem there :(
[07:43] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: not if the windows copy of OO.o was chucked
[07:58] <Madpilot> so, I've got the GIMP, Inkscape & Blender - anything else I should mention?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> pornget?
[08:01] <Madpilot> um, probably not. :P
[08:01] <robotgeek> Madpilot: comeone
[08:02] <robotgeek> err, i meant come on 
[08:04] <Madpilot> anyone?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> you people are boring
[08:04] <Burgundavia> glabels?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> much nicer lable program that openoffice
[08:05] <Madpilot> I'd say gLabels belongs in Office apps, not really Graphics - but I might add it later
[08:07] <Burgundavia> sure, missed what part you were working on
[08:07] <trappist> I started going through the serverguide today, correcting mistakes, cleaning some things up and filling in some missing sections, especially about iptables and firewalls.  it'll probably take a good week.  should I do something like send a patch a day as I go through it, or wait until I'm done and send the uberpatch to the list?
[08:08] <Burgundavia> f-spote?
[08:08] <robotgeek> trappist: send it daily
[08:08] <Madpilot> trappist, patch-a-day, or per major section - less risk of edit conflicts from other ppls work
[08:08] <Burgundavia> f-spot
[08:08] <trappist> Madpilot: yeah that was my concern.  I'll do that then.
[08:08] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, was thinking of gThumb, but only because I use it myself
[08:08] <Burgundavia> smaller patche sare much better
[08:08] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: gthumb is installed, so I guess use that
[08:09] <trappist> ooh ooh imagemagick!
[08:09] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so eog is gone from Dapper?
[08:09] <Burgundavia> trappist: commandline crap
[08:09] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, just hidden from the menus
[08:09] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, but gthumb is the default now, anyway?
[08:09] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:09] <trappist> Burgundavia: there's a gui interface, but it sucks.  and yeah it's command line, but it's anything but crap.  I dunno what I'd do without it.
[08:10] <trappist> s/gui interface/gui/
[08:10] <Burgundavia> trappist: this is a desktop guide
[08:10] <trappist> right.
[08:10] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, might do a gThumb entry later, going to commit what I've got so far
[08:12] <Madpilot> hmm.. does "svn commit" not send newly-created files up?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> you need to svn add them first
[08:13] <Burgundavia> 'svn add'
[08:13] <Madpilot> thanks
[08:13] <Madpilot> does svn add take comments like commit does?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> no, svn add the files
[08:14] <Madpilot> nevermind, I see it doesn't
[08:14] <Burgundavia> then svn committ again
[08:17] <Madpilot> I think that's got everything
[08:17] <Madpilot> svn add isn't as intelligent as svn commit, is it?
[08:18] <Burgundavia> they are different commands
[08:18] <trappist> add just puts a file/directory under version control
[08:18] <Burgundavia> add tells you local copy about the programs, you still need to upload the files
[08:19] <Madpilot> no way to just say "add anything in directory <foo> that isn't already under svn control", though 
[08:19] <Burgundavia> you might be able to add teh directory
[08:19] <trappist> I think you can svn add foo/* and it'll skip everything that's already under version control
[08:19] <Burgundavia> and it would sort out what is needed and what is not
[08:19] <trappist> shell expansion should take care of it even if svn doesn't
[08:22] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, I tried just the directory, it failed with an error - didn't try trappist's /* though
[08:22] <robotgeek> Madpilot: if that doesn't work, i gotta nice bash command :)
[08:22] <Madpilot> heh
[08:23] <robotgeek> alias svntemp='svn status | grep "?" | sed "s/\?[ ] *//g"'
[08:23] <Madpilot> can someone svn up, and try to run UDG in Yelp? It'll yell if I've forgotten any of the new menu files
[08:23] <robotgeek> for i in `svntemp`; do svn add $i; done
[08:24] <robotgeek> Madpilot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9895
[08:26] <Madpilot> robotgeek, svn up again & try it, those should all be there now (I hope)
[08:27] <Madpilot> rev.  2557
[08:27] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yep, it validates now
[08:27] <Madpilot> good
[08:30] <Madpilot> hi rob
[08:30] <rob> hi Madpilot 
[08:31] <rob> some people on the list need to relax a little methinks
[08:32] <robotgeek> rob: heh
[08:33] <robotgeek> i did see that reply
[08:33] <Burgundavia> have you lot seen the new help menu in Dapper?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> it is sweet
[08:35] <trappist> if somebody could hack bash-completion to ignore .svn directories my life would be so much easier
[08:37] <robotgeek> trappist: hmm, interesting 
[08:37] <rob> trappist, you didn't take that the wrong way, did you?
[08:37] <trappist> rob: not at all, but you did misspell compliment ;)
[08:38] <rob> heh, stupid thunderbird spellcheck!
[08:38] <trappist> I have some pretty good spellcheck stories.
[08:39] <trappist> anyway I'm stoked to be involved in a group that actually appreciates spelling and grammar correction.  tough to find online.
[08:40] <rob> good stuff
[08:40] <robotgeek> trappist: do you have a nice bash completion set already? 
[08:41] <trappist> I just get mine from the package.  I tried to hack the svn thing in but I guess my bash foo isn't up to the task.
[08:42] <robotgeek> trappist: i have some subversion thing in /etc/bash_completeion.d
[08:42] <trappist> I assume it's for completing svn commands - I'm looking to be able to cd <tab> where there's only one directory, without getting hung up on recognizing the .svn directory
[08:43] <robotgeek> trappist: hmm, okay. might be tough. let's see
[08:43] <trappist> it's tough.  or else I'm dumb.
[08:44] <robotgeek> trappist: i have an alias for kdg and udg, so all i do is cd $udg / cd $kdg
[08:44] <trappist> robotgeek: you could use your CDPATH environment variable for that
[08:45] <robotgeek> trappist: i just found cdpath too confusing
[08:45] <robotgeek> there are not too many directories i browse in, so i have them aliased
[08:47] <trappist> robotgeek: export CDPATH=/path/to/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu, then cd desk<tab>
[08:49] <robotgeek> trappist: neat, i will add that in addition to my aliases. sometimes $kdg is faster :)
[08:50] <trappist> I'd end up doing #<backspace>%<backspace>@<backspace>$kdg every time
[08:51] <robotgeek> trappist: i don't even look :)
[08:51] <trappist> I have lots of trouble with those characters.  slows down my programming a lot.  less since I ditched php for ruby, though :)
[08:52] <robotgeek> trappist: i still do bash, though slowly moving to python
[08:54] <trappist> after two python projects I've made up my mind to stay away from it.  ruby 4 life and all that.
[08:55] <Burgundavia> trappist: we are a little python mad around here
[08:55] <robotgeek> trappist: hmm, cool. i am a hobby programmer
[08:55] <trappist> Burgundavia: around here as in the doc team, or as in ubuntu in general?
[08:55] <robotgeek> ubuntu
[08:55] <trappist> yeah I've noticed that
[08:56] <robotgeek> docteam hacks around in only xml and makefiles i guess
[08:56] <trappist> I've come to terms with the fact that I'm going to have to deal with python to make contributions to some of the packages I care about
[08:56] <trappist> really the only thing that bothers me about it is that whitespace errors really piss me off.
[08:59] <robotgeek> trappist: okay, i don't see the whitespace
[08:59] <robotgeek> j/k
[08:59] <trappist> :)
[08:59] <robotgeek> vim folding really helps to see the xml structure
[09:01] <robotgeek> trappist: hmm, one more to commit heh
[09:04] <robotgeek> trappist: shouldn't it be "as a part of the ubuntu project" vs "as part of the ubuntu project"
[09:04] <trappist> I don't see a problem with either one
[09:05] <robotgeek> trappist: okay, i'm lazy
[09:07] <robotgeek> trappist: Committed as revision 2558.Thanks
[09:07] <trappist> cool
[09:07] <mdke__> Madpilot, separate graphics section sounds like it might be doable. Is there enough to put in it?
[09:08] <Madpilot> mdke__, it's already in - GIMP, Inkscape & Blender so far
[09:08] <mdke__> Madpilot, great
[09:08] <Madpilot> might do a gThumb entry too
[09:08] <mdke__> Burgundavia, what's up with gnome-office?
[09:09] <trappist> that reminds me.  the firewall stuff needs filling in on the serverguide, and I might be just the guy for that.  I'm thinking something like this: a blurb about iptables, some usage examples, some small howtos on common tasks like flushing your rules, and some links to more complete documentation like iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net.  what do you guys think?
[09:09] <mdke> trappist, sounds great
[09:10] <Burgundavia> mdke: I am concerned about duplication
[09:10] <mdke> of which?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> open office
[09:11] <mdke> ??
[09:12] <Burgundavia> speicifially abiword and gnumeric
[09:12] <mdke> some people might not like openoffice
[09:12] <mdke> there are loads of places in the guide where we give them a choice about software
[09:12] <mdke> that's what its all about, it's not up to us to choose software for them
[09:13] <Burgundavia> hmm, but I thought we had generally agreed not to talk too much about things which the default install already did, for fear of confustion
[09:13] <mdke> I didn't hear that. But if it's confusing, that is a bug definitely
[09:14] <mdke> but the intro talks about openoffice and is quite clear, I think.
[09:16] <mdke> does anyone know anything about xsl stylesheets?
[09:16] <trappist> I'll never admit to knowing anything about them
[09:17] <mdke> haha
[09:41] <robotgeek> mdke: i just want to add a section on wireless, is it okay to copy stuff from the wiki now?
[10:03] <Burgundavia> night all
[10:05] <mdke> robotgeek, don't see why not
[10:05] <robotgeek> mdke: cool, let see how it goes
[10:18] <mdke> Madpilot, gparted is in System -> Administration, isn't it?
[10:19] <mdke> Madpilot, and we now have two entries for menu-editor and alacarte-menu-editor
[10:19] <Madpilot> mdke, in Breezy gparted is Apps->System Tools->Gparted
[10:20] <mdke> Madpilot, in dapper it is in System->Administration
[10:21] <Madpilot> mdke, the alacarte- one is mine, but the info in menu-editor is out of date
[10:21] <mdke> so let's harmonise those
[10:21] <Madpilot> mdke, my fault - I didn't ask here before creating that
[10:21] <mdke> i'll grep around and see which are used
[10:22] <Madpilot> I actually didn't see the menu-editor.xml file at all - which is why I created alacarte-menu-editor.xml
[10:24] <mdke> np
[10:24] <mdke> did you use it anywhere?
[10:28] <Madpilot> alacarte-menu-editor? It's used in the Alacarte article in config-system.xml
[11:24] <Madpilot> later all
[06:53] <trappist> I sent a biggish patch to the list and it's awaiting moderation due to the size.  can somebody let it through?
[06:53] <robotgeek> trappist: maybe you can resend after gzipping it?
[06:54] <trappist> good thinkin
[06:54] <robotgeek> jsgotangaco is the list admin, and he isn't here
[06:54] <robotgeek> trappist: personal experience :)
[06:56] <trappist> that got it well under the limit
[06:56] <trappist> the limit sucks.
[06:58] <mdke_> over 250 members on the list, large emails would be bad
[07:00] <trappist> but 40kb?
[07:01] <robotgeek> trappist: depends on which part of the world you are in
[07:01] <trappist> I guess I am spoiled with my fat pipe :)
[07:37] <Burgwork> mdke_, your patch made it
[08:33] <robotgeek> hmm, finally i think we can get rid of the limewire section
[08:34] <robotgeek> i wrote up instructions on getting apollon to work with gnutella and fasttrack
[08:34] <LaserJock> that sounds  good
[08:34] <robotgeek> i've always hated limewire for it's javaness 
[08:35] <robotgeek> LaserJock: folding in vim makes it so much easier to deal with xml :)
[08:36] <trappist> robotgeek: what's your foldmethod
[08:36] <robotgeek> trappist: i just use syntax
[08:36] <LaserJock> robotgeek: hmm, haven't tried folding too much
[08:37] <trappist> robotgeek: :set foldmethod=syntax?
[08:37] <trappist> doesn't work here
[08:37] <mdke_> Burgwork, the yelp one? yes
[08:37] <trappist> I usually use marker
[08:38] <robotgeek> set fdm=syntax 
[08:38] <robotgeek> then zM 
[08:38] <trappist> not doing anything here :/
[08:38] <robotgeek> trappist: maybe you need to enable it, try zi and then zM
[08:39] <trappist> nothin
[08:39] <robotgeek> trappist: hmm, maybe you should have a looksie at my .vimrc?
[08:39] <trappist> might help
[08:40] <robotgeek> trappist: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9923
[08:40] <LaserJock> wow, I did ":set fdm=syntax" and it folded up nice and neat
[08:41] <trappist> ah, let g:xml_syntax_folding = 1
[08:42] <trappist> yeah that did it
[08:43] <robotgeek> yeah, one of those settings :)
[08:45] <trappist> I keep mine online: http://linuxkungfu.org/files/home/dot_vimrc
[08:45] <robotgeek> trappist: i have to write a syncing script or lftp cronjob
[08:46] <trappist> to sync what?
[08:46] <robotgeek> my .vimrc to my online files
[08:47] <mdke_> trappist, nice work with the patch. hopefully the serverguide maintainer will get to it soon, don't be discouraged if it isn't applied immediately, we like to leave patches to the maintainer of the specific doc
[08:47] <robotgeek> i have an older version at http://robotgeek.org/dotfiles/vimrc
[08:47] <trappist> mdke_: cool, thanks
[08:48] <trappist> robotgeek: I don't sync mine, because I break my stuff a lot and sometimes it takes me a while to get it fixed.  I like to publish when things are working right :)
[08:48] <robotgeek> trappist: hmm, yes.
[08:48] <LaserJock> mdke_: who's working on the serverguide?
[08:49] <robotgeek> trappist: did you see the nice mapping to disable arrow keys :)
[08:49] <robotgeek> i used kate like twice, and got my ugly habits back
[08:50] <mdke_> LaserJock, bhuvan works on it. and bshumate
[08:50] <trappist> robotgeek: I use my arrow keys and I like em :)
[08:50] <LaserJock> mdke_: ah, ok
[08:50] <robotgeek> trappist: you won't like them if you use macros :)
[08:51] <trappist> mdke_: I'm slowly making my way through the serverguide.  there's a lot of <put something here> type stuff and I was gonna fill in a few things like firewall stuff.  how active are the serverguide maintainers?
[08:54] <mdke_> trappist, relatively. But its a great idea to add stuff
[08:54] <mdke_> we have 2 weeks until the freeze, so
[08:54] <trappist> I mean
[08:54] <trappist> if I get that stuff to the list, is there a decent chance if it making it in before the freeze?
[08:55] <mdke_> trappist, 100%
[08:55] <trappist> ok cool
[08:55] <mdke_> :)
[08:58] <LaserJock> mdke_: have we got commit access tied to the LP team yet?
[09:02] <LaserJock> hmm , I could probably use some work on my .vimrc. I have tons of stuff I don't know the purpose of that I just grabbed from the web
[09:03] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yes, i do that all the time too. then i break something, and so i have to figure it out
[09:03] <jjesse> mdke_: thanks for the kind review :)
[09:06] <trappist> jjesse: and thanks for yours :)
[09:06] <trappist> <-- rocco
[09:06] <jjesse> trappist: cool this should make ever\ything look more professional :)
[09:06] <trappist> jjesse: that's my whole motivation here
[09:08] <jjesse> a worthy goal
[09:10] <Burgwork> LaserJock, no
[09:11] <LaserJock> so I started thinking about dapper+1 the other day, wondering what the doc team will do
[09:11] <LaserJock> Burgwork: is that in the works or will it be a "eventually" thing?
[09:12] <Burgwork> LaserJock, eventual
[09:17] <robotgeek> Burgwork: patch for wireless setcion in Ubuntu Desktop sent
[09:20] <Burgwork> robotgeek, cool. Excellent.
[09:20] <robotgeek> just a bunch of wiki links
[09:22] <LaserJock> I wonder if we could start getting some more advanced user docs in dapper+1
[09:23] <Burgwork> task focuses docs would be nice
[09:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:23] <LaserJock> I was thinking of a Python Cookbook, CLI tricks, and Multimedia coolness
[09:24] <Burgwork> a good python tutorial would be great
[09:24] <LaserJock> I do too and I think it would be in line with Mark's goals
[09:25] <LaserJock> although I was more inclined towards a cookbook style doc because we already install Dive Into Python
[09:25] <Burgwork> dive could be rejigged
[09:28] <LaserJock> Burgwork: do we usually write of specs for new docs?
[09:28] <Burgwork> we can
[09:30] <LaserJock> well, I gotta get Dapper docs finished before I get to into Dapper+1
[09:31] <Burgwork> I am also looking at even easier docs for dapper+1
[09:31] <Burgwork> ie, first intro to computers docs
[09:32] <LaserJock> I have a hard time with those. I just have a difficult time getting into the brain of a non-computer user. Plus I just don't often use my computer they way they do so I just don't know the info very well. :(
[09:32] <mdke_> jjesse, i didn't do it yet. Hopefully I'll get it done tomorrow. But I told her it would be short because the chapter is so good ;)
[09:32] <Burgwork> I am involved in a project taht needs exactly that
[09:33] <LaserJock> so would it be people who haven't used a computer at all?
[09:34] <Burgwork> yep and those who are really not comfortable with one
[09:34] <Burgwork> written in teh style of simple.wikipedia.org
[09:34] <LaserJock> in some ways I would find that easier than the entrenched Windows user docs ;-)
[09:36] <LaserJock> hmm, simple.wikipedia.org would be good to show my Freshmen chem lab students
[09:40] <LaserJock> simple.wikipedia.org is pretty cool
[09:41] <LaserJock> it has some good chemistry info :)
[11:06] <trappist> there's a guy with multiple nicks from Cam@209.91.114.236 spamming lots of channels with these need to go today 2 laptops, both made by good manufacturers. price is 500$ each for them and include shipping, case and wireless router.  message me if interested on aim at ogd443 or msn at mcsltd2@hotmail.com
[11:07] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[11:09] <LaserJock> trappist: thanks for spamming #ubuntu-doc with it ;-)
[11:09] <trappist> oh crap I had just joined ##bookmark, thought I was in there
[11:09] <trappist> now I know why it didn't show up :)
[11:10] <theCore> hello LaserJock
[11:11] <robotgeek> hah, one more commit
[11:29] <theCore> LaserJock: so how the PG is going?
[11:32] <LaserJock> theCore: oh, well, it's going :/
[11:32] <LaserJock> theCore: I talked to the author of the packaging guide I was sorta redoing
[11:32] <LaserJock> theCore: he is going to merge some stuff back in
[11:33] <LaserJock> theCore: the problem is he doesn't have a lot of time and I don't seem to either.
[11:35] <theCore> LaserJock: I am not alone then ...
[11:35] <LaserJock> no
[11:36] <LaserJock> but I'm hoping if we get enough people with not a lot of time we can equal one person with a lot of time ;-)
[11:38] <theCore> :)
[11:38] <theCore> I hope you're right
[11:45] <trappist> man, crimsun is everywhere
[11:46] <crimsun> (I have to be)
[11:47] <trappist> oh.  you do this full time, I guess.
[11:47] <crimsun> no, in my spare time
[11:49] <trappist> awesome.