[08:52] <mdz_> good morning
[08:53] <mvo> hello mdz_
[08:53] <ajmitch_> morning
[08:53] <Kamion> morning
[08:54] <mdz_> do we have everyone?
[08:54] <pitti> hey everybody
[08:55] <doko> the ui sprinters are missing
[08:55] <Kinnison> blurgh
[08:56] <JaneW> ping: BenC, dholbach, fabbione, infinity, iwj, jbailey, heno, Kinnison, keybuk, ogra,  seb128, sivan ,Riddell
[08:56] <JaneW> hi all
[08:56] <mvo> doko: not all of them
[08:57] <JaneW> doko: so you are here then..? ;)
[08:57] <ranf> hi
[08:57] <doko> JaneW: not awake ...
[08:57] <Kinnison> JaneW: pong
[08:58] <mdz_> mvo: would you ring seb128/dholbach's room?
[08:59] <mvo> mdz_: no answer so far
[08:59] <fabbione> JanC: pong..
[08:59] <mdz_> mvo: same for Riddell please
[08:59] <JaneW> hi fabbione 
[09:00] <JaneW> fabbione: and it's JaneW :P
[09:00] <mdz_> I've sent an SMS to Keybuk
[09:00] <mvo> mdz_: I don't know Riddell roomnumber, if you don't know too it I'll call the reception
[09:00] <fabbione> yeah yeah.. JaneW stop pinging me on 20 channels and i wll be less confused :P
[09:00] <mdz_> mvo: I don't
[09:01] <JaneW> fabbione: I am covering all bases :P
[09:01] <fabbione> ehhe
[09:01] <JaneW> can someone in the UK call keybuk please?
[09:02] <doko> fabbione confused by JaneW?
[09:02] <Kinnison> JaneW: I'm on it
[09:02] <ajmitch_> morning dholbach 
[09:02] <JaneW> Kamion: ty
[09:02] <seb128> hi
[09:02] <JaneW> ok we are missing BenC, jbailey, heno & keybuk
[09:03] <pitti> hey seb128 
[09:03] <mvo> mdz_: Riddelli is coming
[09:03] <JaneW> might be a bit early for heno
[09:03] <seb128> hey pitti :)
[09:03] <Kinnison> JaneW: rang out to voicemail
[09:03] <mdz_> no response from BenC either
[09:04] <mdz_> need to get started though
[09:04] <JaneW> Kinnison: hrm. Thanks for trying.
[09:04] <mdz_> dholbach: you're up first
[09:04] <JaneW> mdz_: I'll mail them both.
[09:04] <dholbach> mdz_: i'm not prepared yet
[09:04] <dholbach> sorry
[09:04] <dholbach> we were down at the conference room
[09:04] <dholbach> it was closed *grrr*
[09:04] <JaneW> backwards again?
[09:05] <Riddell> hi all
[09:05] <JaneW> hi Riddell 
[09:05] <dholbach> right, here i am:
[09:05] <dholbach> this week: UI sprint (worked on gdm login screen, icons, gnome-session fading)
[09:05] <dholbach> this week (todo): UI sprint, more icons, little improvements here and there
[09:05] <dholbach> next week: new GNOME (2.14.0), catching up with bugs
[09:06] <JaneW> ty dholbach 
[09:06] <JaneW> is mdz_ still with us?
[09:06] <JaneW> doko: you ready?
[09:07] <doko> - toolchain-roadmap: gcj-4.1 final uploaded, gcc-3.4.6 final uploaded, gcc-4.0.3 release is expected today, then toolchain-roadmap can be set to implemented
[09:07] <doko> - python-roadmap: only change this week an update to current CVS leading to 2.4.3, plus bug fixes
[09:07] <doko> - openoffice.org: 2.0.2 release announced today, -l10n package uploaded, other packges will follow after flight-5
[09:07] <doko> - openoffice.org-amd64: all ia32-libs* packages updated, spec can be set to implemented now.
[09:07] <doko> - other: gcc-3.3/gcc-3.4 security updates, zope3 in main installable, other bug fixes and bug tracking work
[09:07] <doko> - next week: OOo sprint, OOo fixes, OOo bug work, fixing other bugs.
[09:08] <JaneW> doko: thanks, so you expect at least one goal to move to implemented this week?
[09:08] <JaneW> toolchain-roadmap...?
[09:08] <doko> JaneW: yes
[09:08] <JaneW> and openofficeamd64 too
[09:08] <doko> yes, mot "my" spec
[09:08] <JaneW> how are the others looking? Still on track?
[09:08] <mdz__> having connectivity problems here
[09:08] <Mithrandir> JaneW: ooo-amd64 was deferred, I though?
[09:08] <JaneW> hi mdz__ doko's just been
[09:09] <mdz__> saw dholbach and doko's updates, but my responses were lagged apparently
[09:09] <JaneW> Mithrandir: right, but it;s done anyway right, even if it's not included now
[09:09] <doko> Mithrandir: it was having it built native _or_ the -amd64 packages
[09:09] <Mithrandir> doko: ook
[09:10] <JaneW> doko: and java roadmap? I am still bothered by the RED status
[09:10] <doko> JaneW: openoffice-gnome -> OOo sprint, it's all implemnted, what can be implemented for dapper
[09:10] <JaneW> doko: great, can I mark it as implemented?
[09:10] <doko> JaneW: java done for the need of OOo, others not touched
[09:11] <JaneW> doko: so done as required, rest deferred?
[09:12] <doko> JaneW: -gnome: most things implemented , java: done as required, rest deferred
[09:12] <JaneW> doko: right, thanks
[09:12] <JaneW> can we move on?
[09:12] <infinity> Please.
[09:12] <JaneW> fabbione. 
[09:12] <fabbione> * server-candy: Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup" and kernel -server as default from CD install.
[09:12] <fabbione> * ubuntu-cluster: Waiting ocfs2-tools release for new userland to sync with the kernel that will allow (finally) full desync later.
[09:12] <fabbione> * RLIMIT_PRIO: should be all in place.
[09:12] <fabbione> * last week: mostly holiday. Catching up, bug fixing.
[09:12] <fabbione> * next week: partman-auto/espresso (plan to review what's done with Kamion after meeting), kernel security, bug fixing.
[09:12] <mdz__> are my messages getting through?
[09:12] <JaneW> mdz__: no
[09:12] <seb128> mdz__: this one is
[09:12] <fabbione> mdz__: last one was:
 saw dholbach and doko's updates, but my responses were lagged apparently
[09:12] <seb128> mdz__: the previous was <mdz__> saw dholbach and doko's updates, but my responses were lagged apparently
[09:13] <seb128> then <mdz__> are my messages getting through?
[09:13] <mdz__> ok
[09:13] <JaneW> fabbione: are you managing to help Kamion much with espresso?
[09:13] <mdz__> fabbione: would you confirm with the requestor that RLIMIT_RTPRIO is working for them now?
[09:13] <fabbione> JaneW: i am trying the best i can...
[09:13] <fabbione> mdz__: will do
[09:14] <JaneW> ok, heno isnt here. anyone know about example content?
[09:14] <Kamion> JaneW: the partman-auto stuff fabbione's doing is a respectable chunk of work and it's pretty necessary
[09:14] <JaneW> dholbach: ^^
[09:14] <JaneW> ?
[09:15] <JaneW> ok I'll mail about that
[09:15] <dholbach> JaneW: it's implemented - only updates and selection of other material is needed for now
[09:15] <JaneW> Kamion: ok thanks
[09:15] <JaneW> dholbach: ok, how much work does that involve? Can we set it to implemented, or is that premature?
[09:16] <JaneW> infinity: when you're ready
[09:16] <infinity> last week buildd: Spent most of the week with soyuz/buildds, both hunting and fixing bugs, as well as getting sparc and ia64 caught up again.
[09:16] <infinity> last week packaging: PHP security updates are uploaded and built, just need to release an advisory, did a bunch of work locally on Thunderbird and Thunderbird extensions.
[09:16] <mdz__> dholbach: we have examples for each of the categories in the spec?
[09:16] <infinity> next week buildd: hppa should come online soon, and need the same (or tougher) sort of love that sparc and ia64 have been getting, plus a vicious soyuz bug that makes mass-give-backs more painful needs to be sorted.
[09:16] <dholbach> JaneW: set it to implemented - the example-content visibilification has been introduced
[09:16] <infinity> next week packaging: Thunderbird, Thunderbird, Thunderbird, and more Thunderbird, I think.  Lots of bugs, and I'd like to cut them in half before release.  I also need to get some LRM upstream bumps in (pending approval).
[09:16] <dholbach> mdz__: Jeff wanted to add some thing too.
[09:16] <JaneW> dholbach: ok thanks, will do - who is responsible for completing the content bits?
[09:17] <dholbach> JaneW: heno is working on it. he mailed the art and desktop lists about it.
[09:17] <JaneW> dholbach: ok, ty
[09:17] <mdz__> JaneW: heno
[09:17] <JaneW> infinity: the LRM stuff going to happen in time?
[09:17] <infinity> JaneW: Pending approval from mdz.
[09:18] <JaneW> ah ok.
[09:18] <infinity> mdz__: I need a UVF exception for fglrx (again), and avm fritz (whacky isdn thingee that doko uses), if that's cool? :)
[09:18] <infinity> mdz__: doko assures me the latter is great and spiffy, the former adds more hardware support (yay), so it a bit of a must I'd think.
[09:19] <JaneW> iwj: you're up
[09:19] <doko> the latter is an amd64 update only, needed for sending faxes
[09:19] <Mithrandir> infinity: that's the first time I've ever heard somebody refer to avm fritz as "spiffy"
[09:19] <iwj> AutomatedTesting: Spent most of last week wrestling with Xen, pbuilder, etc.  There turned out to be an annoying tcp checksum bug in Xen.  I now have a working script for setting up testbeds.
[09:19] <iwj> DefaultApplicationsFirefox: When discussed on ubuntu-devel, no-one was clearly in favour of the new behaviour without `you have chosen to open ...', so I will revert it.
[09:19] <iwj> Firefox maintenance: Not done much this last week apart from dealing with bugs and discussing the DefaultApplicationsFirefox change.  I'm halfway to preparing a new release and that will go out today.  (An assortment of minor things; I need to do a breezy->dapper test to check some of the bugs.)
[09:19] <iwj> Firefox maintenance: horizontal scroll vs unwanted back problem (Malone 31827): do we have anyone who's an expert on mouse input processing in X ?  I think this bug needs looking at.
[09:19] <iwj> DeveloperDocumentation: no progress this week.
[09:19] <iwj> Next week: on holiday.
[09:19] <iwj> Email/bugs backlog: not too bad.  I didn't fix the amd64 gs bug 29878 yet; will try to do that tomorrow.
[09:20] <JaneW> iwj: those docs going to happen? ;) they are not tied to the release at all though, are they?
[09:20] <iwj> No, they're not tied to the release.
[09:20] <JaneW> ok, good.
[09:20] <iwj> But I want to get them done.
[09:20] <infinity> iwj: Are you doing de-facto gs maintenance right now?
[09:20] <JaneW> agreed.
[09:21] <iwj> infinity: Err, not really but I probably should be.  That is, I don't think Malone's sending me the bugs.
[09:21] <mdz_> urgh
[09:21] <infinity> iwj: That perl error spewed by gs when fonts are installed is a bit irritating (and I suspect right up your alley to find and fix in about 10 seconds, given your perl history)
[09:21] <mdz_> iwj: which bugs?
[09:21] <iwj> Bugs for gs.
[09:21] <mdz_> iwj: are you set as a bug contact?
[09:21] <iwj> I doubt it.  Can I do that myself ?
[09:22] <mdz_> iwj: yes
[09:22] <mdz_> as for any package
[09:22] <Kamion> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gs/+subscribe
[09:22] <iwj> OK, I'll do that.
[09:22] <JaneW> jbailey is not here, I will mail him.
[09:22] <JaneW> Kamion.
[09:22] <iwj> infinity: I'll take a look.  Do you have a handy ref ?  I wasn't watching my last upgrade so I didn't spot it myself ...
[09:22] <mdz_> JaneW: I don't think jbailey has anything outstanding
[09:23] <Kamion> ue-gnome-ui: Nearly all UE progress this week has been here; I visited the UI sprint in London on Monday, got good feedback, and have implemented about half of the necessary changes.
[09:23] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-bootloader: Basically implemented now, although needs testing of espresso-yaboot since my powerpc system's CD drive is too broken for me to test it myself.
[09:23] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Uploaded live-only package removal code; still blocked on manifest from buildds.
[09:23] <Kamion> ue-partitioning-tool: Handed off gparted work to Daniel Silverstone; we've had a couple of long in-person discussions about where to take it for Dapper, which have resulted in a pretty clear plan of action that shouldn't take Daniel too long to do. Waiting on disk selector in partman from Fabio for most of the rest of this. Added format checkbox to mountpoint page.
[09:23] <minghua> infinity: are you talking about bug #6614?
[09:23] <Kamion> next-week: Planning on Flight CD 5 today if possible; Edubuntu amd64 CDs are overflowing and the live CDs need a good kicking in general (just uploaded a fix for some of the problems). Sort out the identification page's UI today. Another UI sprint visit on Friday. Probably more UI hacking for the rest of the week.
[09:23] <infinity> iwj: I'll find the Debian bug later and link it in Malone or some such fanciness.
[09:23] <iwj> infinity: Thanks.  Just telling me the Debian bug number will do :-).
[09:23] <mdz_> infinity: livefs manifest for Kamion?
[09:23] <infinity> minghua: Oh, so I am.
[09:24] <ogra> Kamion, urgh
[09:24] <JaneW> Kamion: are you handling flight 5?
[09:24] <ogra> Kamion, today ??
[09:24] <Kamion> mdz_: I just nudged him about it before the meeting
[09:24] <JaneW> Kamion: I thought you were going to hand it off?
[09:24] <Kamion> we'll talk about it right afterwards
[09:24] <Kamion> JaneW: I never got round to talking to Adam about that
[09:24] <Kamion> infinity: fancy doing Flight CD 5? :-)
[09:24] <infinity> iwj: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/defoma/+bug/6614
[09:24] <Riddell> hmm, I can't test any kubuntu CDs for a flight today
[09:24] <JaneW> Kamion: can you give me % completes when you have a chance please - it;s helpful to track the progress
[09:24] <Kamion> JaneW: sure, afterwards
[09:24] <JaneW> Kamion: heh
[09:24] <minghua> infinity: I am doing the inter-BTS linking now (and assign it to gs-common, I suppose)
[09:24] <Mithrandir> Kamion: if I can nag you about flight stuff, I can do flight 5, sure.
[09:25] <infinity> Kamion: You were planning on handing off Flight 5? :)
[09:25] <Kamion> Mithrandir: feel free
[09:25] <Kamion> perhaps you and infinity want to tag-team it
[09:25] <JaneW> Kamion/ mdz: what's the feel about espresso for dapper, it going to make it?
[09:25] <iwj> infinity: Thanks.
[09:25] <mdz_> Riddell: vmware
[09:25] <Mithrandir> Kamion,infinity: tag-team sounds fine to me.
[09:25] <Kamion> we'll talk elsewhere then
[09:25] <Mithrandir> sure
[09:26] <JaneW> infinity/ Mithrandir if you could help with flight 5 and give Kamion some slack to finish espresso that would *really* help
[09:26] <mdz_> ok
[09:26] <Mithrandir> JaneW: we've already agreed to do so. :-)
[09:26] <JaneW> let me know if you need help coordinating
[09:26] <JaneW> Mithrandir: YAY
[09:26] <JaneW> ok next
[09:26] <mdz_> still no Keybuk?
[09:26] <JaneW> keybuk not here, so it's Kinnison ...
[09:26] <JaneW> Kinnison: you got news?
[09:27] <mdz_> Kinnison: go ahead with your summary
[09:27] <Kinnison>  * PowerManagementConfiguration: Mostly bugfixing. Upstream continues to take an active interest in taking on our patches and helping with our bugs.
[09:27] <Kinnison>  * UbuntuExpress/GraphicalPartitioningTool: Correcting UI glitches in gparted's installer-mode patch, suppressing filesystem building and generally making it fit better with espresso.
[09:27] <Kinnison>  * General: Some soyuz work, correcting bugs with ACLs on NEW etc.
[09:27] <Kinnison>  * ToDo: Continue bugfixing g-p-m, acpi-support, etc. Filling out rest of gparted needs for espresso. Espresso-UI work as agreed with Colin. Interspersed with that for the next two weeks is the Launchpad/Bazaar-NG sprint which I have to attend in London. I'll be doing my best to keep up with my distro work during the sprint also.
[09:27] <Kinnison>  * Bugs: No significant changes to last weeks numbers, pretty much as many opened as closed.
[09:27] <dholbach> Kinnison: are you going to get the newest release of gparted in?
[09:27] <dholbach> Kinnison: I already said to Kamion that I was fine with handing the package to somebody else
[09:27] <Kinnison> dholbach: the installer-mode patch stands no chance of applying to it
[09:28] <dholbach> hmmmmm, it has important fixes in it
[09:28] <Kinnison> dholbach: so currently I'm making the outward functionality match what espresso needs in 0.1
[09:28] <dholbach> Ok.
[09:28] <Kinnison> dholbach: I'll then be looking at 0.2.2 but I don't know if I can reintegrate the patch in time
[09:28] <dholbach> Yeah, I looked at it too and it was my feeling as well.
[09:28] <Kinnison> I.E. no promises, but I'm doing my best
[09:28] <mdz_> dholbach: can we work with upstream to get that patch integrated?
[09:28] <mdz_> dholbach: upstream keeps breaking it
[09:29] <dholbach> mdz_: upstream wants to integrate the patch, there was just little communication yet. Kamion: did I say something wrong? or do you have an update?
[09:29] <mdz_> Kamion: on whose list is deferring partman commit to the final stage of espresso?
[09:29] <Kamion> mdz_: mine
[09:30] <mdz_> ok
[09:30] <Kamion> mdz_: I've opened communication with upstream on that; mail latency is just kinda long on both sides
[09:30] <mdz_> Kinnison: how much of the LP sprint are you attending?
[09:30] <Kinnison> mdz_: In terms of me being in London, I am expected at the entire thing. In terms of how much I'm taking part in, I'm not sure
[09:30] <Kamion> mdz_: Kinnison and I decided not to defer advanced partitioning commit to the final stage; it's too big a job for Dapper and we can have some text that says "advanced partitioning changes are applied IMMEDIATELY" or something
[09:31] <Kamion> but we'll defer autopartitioning to the final stage
[09:31] <mdz_> Kamion: sure, no problem with that
[09:32] <Kinnison> mdz_: I'm trying to get agreement for me to drive to the sprint so that if I need to spend time with Colin or Matthew Garrett, I can just drive back for an evening
[09:32] <JaneW> ok, can we move on?
[09:32] <JaneW> Mithrandir.
[09:32] <Mithrandir> misc: Sprint with Scott, had a sickday, been hacking on espresso.  Still goes slower than I'd like to, but getting there.  General bug triage
[09:32] <mdz_> JaneW: yes
[09:32] <Mithrandir> next week: espresso, get popcon.u.c working
[09:32] <Mithrandir> blocked on: nothing
[09:33] <JaneW> Mithrandir: you feeling better now?
[09:33] <Mithrandir> yeah, fine now.  It was Tuesday, so..
[09:33] <JaneW> ok, good
[09:33] <mdz_> Mithrandir: which espresso bits are you working on?
[09:33] <JaneW> Mithrandir: also next week: flight 5 :)
[09:33] <Mithrandir> mdz_: keyboard chooser still.  Moving away from using console-data to using kbd-chooser again.
[09:34] <Mithrandir> mdz_: our keyboard stuff really, really needs attention for dapper+1
[09:34] <infinity> Gave up on using X keymaps?
[09:34] <infinity> Or was that months ago? :)
[09:34] <mdz_> Mithrandir: yes; we should be able to unify that for dapper+1
[09:34] <Mithrandir> infinity: discovered that the tool which loads X keymaps was written in perl, so slightly inappropriate for d-i
[09:34] <infinity> Ahh.  Ick.
[09:34] <Mithrandir> infinity: started investigating how libxkb* worked and stopped just a bit short of going insane. :-)
[09:35] <mdz_> Mithrandir: for now, using the same logic from d-i is fine
[09:35] <Mithrandir> mdz_: yeah, that's what I'm going for
[09:35] <mdz_> Mithrandir: ok, thanks
[09:35] <mdz_> mvo: ?
[09:35] <Mithrandir> so now I'm waiting a bit for daniels to give me the code he has on his laptop with a broken screen so I can proceed with lcxkb
[09:35] <mvo> Did:
[09:35] <mvo> - on the UI sprint (worked on various litlle things and the notification daemon to make it look cooler)
[09:35] <mvo> - dist-upgrade: worked with the lp people on getting the magic into the archive (done)
[09:35] <mvo> - 3rd party apps updated and added gstreamer desktop files, uploaded new gdebi (mostly cosmetic fixes)
[09:35] <mvo> Will do next week:
[09:35] <mvo> - i18n sprint
[09:35] <mvo> - get hold of infinity to get the auto-dist-upgrade test chroot setup
[09:35] <mvo> - get the upgrade tool into the archive
[09:36] <mdz_> mvo: where in the archive is the dist-upgrade stuff?
[09:36] <mdz_> (the path)
[09:36] <mvo> mdz_: it is ready for upload and when it is uploaded it will be in /dists/dapper/dist-upgrader-all
[09:36] <infinity> mvo: Tackle me tomorrow, and I'll get you chroots on all the arches currently in the DC, and we can play.
[09:36] <mvo> infinity: that sounds good
[09:37] <infinity> (So, that's everything except hppa)
[09:37] <mvo> mdz_: sorry, make that dists/dapper/main/dist-upgrader-all
[09:38] <mdz_> mvo: next week also, backporting to breezy
[09:38] <mvo> mdz_: yes
[09:38] <doko> mvo, dholbach, seb128: can anybody of you ask the scim guys for a test plan, how to check for a working setup next week?
[09:38] <seb128> doko: not me
[09:38] <dholbach> doko: seb128 and I won't be there.
[09:38] <doko> mvo: ok, it's your's
[09:38] <mvo> doko: that would be me then
[09:39] <pitti> I can ask freeflying and huahua for help
[09:39] <dholbach> pitti: and minghua and atie
[09:39] <pitti> right
[09:39] <Amaranth> zzz time
[09:39] <Amaranth> err, wrong channel
[09:39] <minghua> I've told doko that I'll help on scim in OOo
[09:39] <JaneW> minghua: thank-you :)
[09:40] <mdz_> mvo: has the upload/publish cycle of the dist-upgrade tool been tested with your participation?
[09:40] <doko> minghua: of course, nice!
[09:41] <mvo> mdz_: no, it was only tested by the lp team so far. I provided sample data though. I plan to do a upload of the current code very soon to see where in the archive it ends up :)
[09:41] <mdz_> ok
[09:41] <JaneW> mvo: thanks
[09:41] <mdz_> mvo: thanks
[09:41] <JaneW> ogra
[09:41] <ogra> first: sorry for missing last time
[09:41] <ogra> * general: hunting of the "no ssh keys are generated" bug and working on a fix, branched out a new devel branch for ltsp (http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/devel/), fixed several small ltsp bugs and cleaned up the code. fixed the last "gnome-screensaver ignores mediaplayers" bugs. worked on edubuntu-artwork ltsp enhancements (ldm theme handling, usplash theme incliusion in ltsp-client), exchanging of the vendor logo, wallpaper select
[09:41] <ogra> ion etc
[09:41] <ogra> next-week: more testing and digging for ltsp bugs, more edubuntu-docs work (needs to go to main) writing some ltsp documentation, getting edubuntu-artwork ready, flight5 preparation i guess (strike that if we do it today...please announce it a day in advance, its hard to coordinate with testers if it comes completely unannounced), more gnome-screensaver bughunting, play the CD space shuffling game to tame edubuntu
[09:42] <mdz_> ogra: ok
[09:42] <mdz_> pitti: ?
[09:42] <pitti> reducing-duplication: DONE: bulk of gnutls12 migration (only buildd lag delays the actual demotion), seed changes for demoting libgd, evaluated libsqlite0->3 transition, reordered spec page for easier reading
[09:42] <pitti> general stuff done this week: many bug fixes, fixed thunderbird to work with locale packages, created tbird locale packages
[09:42] <pitti> next week: bug squashing
[09:43] <Kamion> ogra: sorry for the short notice
[09:43] <pitti> ... and heavy CD testing again
[09:43] <JaneW> is it feasible to do flight 5 today?
[09:43] <ogra> Kamion, its fine for now ...  :)
[09:43] <mdz_> pitti: are langpack updates from rosetta happening?
[09:44] <seb128> has rosetta imported dapper now?
[09:44] <pitti> mdz_: still not, carlos had to rewrite the import queue and is waiting for review/rollout
[09:44] <pitti> mdz_: infinity enabled the old way of publishing again so that we have a fallback
[09:44] <seb128> pitti: can people translate dapper packages using rosetta now?
[09:44] <seb128> or we are still waiting on the import?
[09:44] <pitti> I'm asking for a status daily, but I can only wiat so far
[09:45] <mdz_> pitti: ok
[09:45] <pitti> seb128: I think it's stalled on the import; some packages are imported, but not all
[09:45] <seb128> urg
[09:45] <seb128> k :/
[09:45] <Kamion> JaneW: possibly tomorrow, depends how long livefs fixing takes really, and if testers can't be found today then pushing to tomorrow is fine
[09:45] <mdz_> seb128: ?
[09:46] <seb128> UI sprint: played with new icons and theme, updated gdm menu and session dialog icons sets, played with gtkrc for GDM (colors, fonts, etc)
[09:46] <seb128> other: a few GNOME updates from this week, fixed some bugs on the desktop
[09:46] <seb128> UI sprint to do: profiling GDM, apply gnome-panel help submenu changes decided, doing the menu items labels and tooltip changes (just got the list), doing some little UI changes to the dialog that Martin did for the sync during device ejecting 
[09:46] <seb128> .
[09:46] <seb128> next week: GNOME 2.14.O, catchup with bugs and mails backlog
[09:47] <mdz_> seb128: ok, thanks
[09:47] <mdz_> Riddell: ?
[09:47] <Riddell> done: kubuntu-express: Kamion has merged and espresso-frontend-kde released, should now be on the CD
[09:47] <Riddell> ui sprint: new logo, usplash, kdm theme done along with kwwii, ui tweaks done with sabdfl
[09:47] <Riddell> kubuntu-system-tools: new guidance with bug fixes tested and uploaded
[09:47] <Riddell> also: test and uploading various fixes people have sent me
[09:47] <Riddell> TODO: kubuntu-express: better qtparted integration, location page, keyboard page
[09:47] <Riddell> ui sprint: ksplash, background, window manager look, various other artwork (example content)
[09:48] <mdz_> Riddell: ok
[09:48] <mdz_> Riddell: kde upstream is finalized for dapper?
[09:48] <mdz_> or may we see another point release?
[09:49] <Riddell> mdz_: 3.5.2 due just after or beta release, I'll see at the time if it seems stable enough to go in
[09:49] <mdz_> Riddell: ok
[09:49] <Riddell> but my feeling is that it should
[09:49] <Riddell> s/or/our/
[09:50] <mdz_> JaneW: please chase BenC and Keybuk?
[09:51] <Mithrandir> Riddell: having kubuntu-express as done and todo seems slightly escherisque.
[09:51] <mdz_> did we skip anyone?
[09:51] <Riddell> Mithrandir: done is Kamion merging and first release, todo is still a long list
[09:51] <JaneW> mdz_: will do
[09:51] <Kamion> yeah, I find batching per-goal rather than batching by done/todo a bit clearer personally
[09:52] <Riddell> Mithrandir: that done was a header for work done this week, not that the spec is all done, if that's unclear
[09:52] <JaneW> mdz_: we need to discuss next week's meeting
[09:52] <Kamion> oh, another note, removing packages in soyuz now seems to work, so let me know if you need stuff killed off (but don't bother for stuff that just isn't built from source any more, as we have a report for that)
[09:52] <pitti> yay
[09:52] <Kinnison> Kamion: Glad to hear it worked
[09:53] <Kamion> Kinnison: not entirely sure about binary removals yet
[09:53] <mdz_> right
[09:53] <Kamion> I'll have to wait a day after the removals to be sure
[09:53] <Kinnison> Kamion: Have you tried one so I can look at it in the tables?
[09:53] <Kinnison> JaneW: if it's not too late, can you add the hotel-california to my General 'done' queue?
[09:54] <Kamion> Kinnison: a bunch - let's say linux-image-2.6.15-14-386
[09:54] <mdz_> I'll be travelling around the meeting next week
[09:54] <doko> Kamion: openoffice.org2 openoffice.org2-l10n openoffice.org2-amd64 openoffice.org2-helpcontent openoffice.org-debian-files
[09:54] <JaneW> Kinnison: sure... but what does that mean?
[09:54] <mdz_> so it's unlikely that I'll be able to make it at the scheduled time
[09:54] <Kamion> doko: queued, thanks
[09:54] <mdz_> we can either adjust the time, or move to a different day
[09:55] <Kamion> JaneW: the archive was in "you can check out any time, but you can never leave" mode - i.e. we couldn't remove packages
[09:55] <JaneW> Kinnison: you can check out but you can never leave?
[09:55] <JaneW> heh ok
[09:55] <ogra> heh
[09:55] <JaneW> good guess ;)
[09:55] <doko> mdz_ we can bargain, if we change the next 3am meeting ;-)
[09:55] <Kinnison> Kamion: the source for 2.6.15-14 looks like it's pendingremoval too
[09:56] <Kinnison> Kamion: so things look good on that front
[09:56] <JaneW> so the suggestions was to move next weeks meeting to same time same place the following day - i.e. Friday
[09:56] <Kinnison> JaneW: 1400 UTC Friday?
[09:56] <JaneW> yes at 14:00 UTC
[09:56] <mdz_> infinity: I think you get the worst end of that; how does it work for you?
[09:56] <Kamion> Kinnison: good stuff, should take effect this evening then right?
[09:56] <JaneW> It's not ideal, but the alternative is Thursday night time
[09:57] <Kinnison> Kamion: pretty much, yes. one day after datemadepending
[09:57] <infinity> mdz_: Well, it puts me at Saturday morning, which kinda sucks.. :/
[09:57] <sivang> I just want to let you guys know that after recovering from realizing HUB will not get included in main for dapper ;-) I continued full steam as much as time allows me with my dayjob, and it's coming nicely. Backup procedure is almost done (GUI + everything) , and Restore should come after re-using most of the already done backup bits. if it continues as it has for the last couple of days, I will have some to release soon. I apologize for the p
[09:57] <infinity> Oh, no... Wait... Not Saturday morning, just 1am on Saturday.
[09:58] <infinity> mdz_: I guess I can cope with that.
[09:58] <Mithrandir> infinity: you'll only be slightly tipsy after a trip to the pub? :-)
[09:58] <infinity> Something along those lines perhaps, yes. :)
[09:58] <infinity> I'll write my summary before I go out for the evening. :)
[09:59] <infinity> (Unless drunken summaries are everyone's cup of tea)
[09:59] <Kinnison> this week I have been mostly drinking.....
[09:59] <mdz_> sivang: is that in dapper now?
[10:00] <JaneW> infinity: thanks for understanding :)
[10:00] <JaneW> mdz_: ok so 14:00 UTC next friday it is?
[10:00] <Kinnison> cool
[10:00] <sivang> mdz_: not yet. but will get uploaded to universe, in your approval or MOTU lead, when I think it's presentable to users.
[10:00] <seb128> JaneW: you just want to move to friday for next week or for "next weeks"?
[10:00] <Kinnison> Are we done? (my machine is getting very militant about me taking a rest break :-)
[10:00] <infinity> JaneW: Hey, if having it Friday nght / Saturday morning is a license for me to show up to a meeting drunk (for the first time in my professional career), who am I to complain? ;)
[10:01] <JaneW> seb128: yes just for that one meeting, because mdz_  will be travelling at that time on Thurs
[10:01] <infinity> seb128: Just for the next week.  If it was every week, I'd strike.
[10:01] <seb128> oh, k
[10:01] <JaneW> Kinnison: ditto
[10:01] <ogra> mdz_, is it clear now that sparc will be a supported arch ? i got offered some sparc supporting patches for ltsp
[10:01] <mdz_> sivang: any particular reason not to have uploaded it yet?
[10:02] <mdz_> sivang: well, up to you I guess.  better to do the development in Ubuntu than in private if you expect to submit it for the desktop
[10:02] <ogra> (which i would only risk to include if we officially want to support it)
[10:02] <sivang> mdz_: yes, the burning to cd bit needs to be finished still, as this was one of my major goals in this project, I don't feel it's worhty to get uploaded before it provides this functionality smootly.
[10:03] <mdz_> ok, I think we're wrapped then
[10:03] <sivang> mdz_: all other backup solutions lack this functionality, it's important to me to have it in before a user can test it.
[10:03] <mdz_> thanks, everyone
[10:03] <pitti> thanks folks
[10:03] <fabbione> ogra: sparc is not officially supported. It is your call to accept/reject the patches
[10:03] <JaneW> thanks everyone
[10:03] <dholbach> thanks guys
[10:03] <dholbach> *wave*
[10:04] <sivang> mdz_: you mean, to get help from others? 
[10:04] <seb128> mvo: what are you going to break? :)
[10:04] <ogra> fabbione, oki ... i guess then i'll wait for dapper+1 it would get us anyway only support for sparc clients on sparc servers ;)
[10:04] <seb128> mvo: don't tell me you will change gtk soname without changing the package name :p
[10:04] <seb128> mvo: utch!
[10:04] <sivang> seb128: hehe
[10:04] <fabbione> ogra: up to you
[10:04] <seb128> mvo: outside, NOW
[10:05] <fabbione> ogra: as sparc ported i don't really care about LTSP on sparc.. i don't even have the hw to test it.. 
[10:05] <fabbione> ogra: but you might check how intrusive the patches are
[10:05] <ogra> fabbione, not much, but i cant test them either ... and i dont want them to go in untested
[10:06] <infinity> mdz_: Still idling?