[12:22] <dolson> raphink: ping
[12:22] <raphink> dolson: pong
[12:22] <dolson> raphink: wrt meterbridge, I just uploaded a patched .desktop file... I have to make all those other changes too?
[12:23] <raphink> dolson: I'm not the one who made the comments, I just published them. Ask the reviewer :)
[12:23] <raphink> ;)
[12:24] <raphink> dolson: in this case, freeflying is the reviewer
[12:25] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: which one ?
[12:25] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: meterbridge, you commented on this one
[12:25] <dolson> I thought we wanted to keep deltas as small as possible
[12:26] <raphink> dolson: if this is a sync/merge, then the policy is to keep the delta as small as possible, yes
[12:26] <raphink> all changes will have to be maintained, so the policy is to have as few as possible
[12:27] <dolson> raphink: it's just adding a .desktop file
[12:27] <freeflying-ibook> dolson: no changes in your copyright file
[12:27] <dolson> to a debian pkg
[12:28] <raphink> dolson: however this seems to only be a fix, so I'd say go no further than fixing if nothing else is required
[12:28] <raphink> dolson: and send the patch upstream (to Debian) if it's useful to them, so we don't have to maintain this diff
[12:28] <dolson> raphink: exactly what I thought I was supposed to do, but freeflying-ibook says otherwise...
[12:28] <raphink> dolson: well freeflying-ibook can make mistakes :)
[12:28] <raphink> wel all do
[12:29] <dolson> we all can, I just want to get the fixes into dapper and so if I have to make the changes he says, then I will
[12:29] <raphink> ok
[12:29] <raphink> I'll upload your package :)
[12:29] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: please check the status of the package before commenting next time
[12:29] <freeflying-ibook> dolson: after all , your package shall match the debian's policy imo
[12:29] <dolson> I've been asked to work on debian directly now, so I will send them any diffs like this
[12:29] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: if the package is a sync/merge or a fix, the requirements are not the same as for a new package
[12:29] <dolson> freeflying-ibook: this IS from debian
[12:30] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: right, except that keeping the diff as small as possible is important, cause our manpower doesn't allow us to maintain this
[12:30] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: but it dosen't meet with debian's policy
[12:30] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: I know many Debian packages don't meet Debian's policy
[12:30] <raphink> this is a shame
[12:30] <raphink> but unless this package gets into main
[12:30] <raphink> we're not to add too much diff to it
[12:31] <raphink> this is sad, but that's it
[12:31] <raphink> unless you're ready to maintain this package
[12:31] <raphink> and apply this patch to all versions synced from Debian
[12:31] <raphink> manually
[12:31] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: so we shall have as little changes as we can when we do sync or merge
[12:31] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: exactly
[12:32] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: try to imagine if we have one small change like this on each universe package
[12:32] <raphink> there are about 16000 universe packages
[12:32] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: then how can these packagee upload to debian ?
[12:32] <raphink> so that's 16000 diffs to maintain and apply for each package synced from Debian
[12:32] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: Debian doesn't have a REVU system like us
[12:32] <ajmitch_> lots of fun for all
[12:32] <raphink> only one DD is required to upload
[12:32] <raphink> so sometimes very bad packages get into Debian
[12:33] <raphink> and so far we have to deal with it
[12:33] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: that's unfair
[12:33] <raphink> cause we can't do anything in Universe without Debian as upstream
[12:33] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: it is
[12:33] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: you're free to go help in Debian and improve the packaging quality
[12:33] <raphink> if you feel like it ;)
[12:33] <freeflying-ibook> I found some package is more bad than mine , but they can be upload
[12:33] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: try and get your packages uploaded to Debian, then come again ;)
[12:34] <dolson> haha, yeah
[12:34] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: it is sad but it is hard to get a DD to upload your work, although there are DDs that upload just very bad packages sometimes
[12:34] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: I just tell a truth
[12:34] <tseng> ajmitch_: does debian have new beagle yet?
[12:34] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: I know and I agree
[12:34] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: now there are about 1000 DDs in Debian and you won't change that some upload horrible stuff
[12:34] <ajmitch_> tseng: I haven't been watching
[12:35] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: you won't change either that we're very far from being 1000 MOTUs and can't maitain what Debian maintains
[12:35] <ajmitch_> raphink: I didn't find it hard to get DDs to upload for me
[12:35] <raphink> ajmitch_: :
[12:35] <raphink> cheater :p
[12:35] <raphink> hehe
[12:35] <ajmitch_> how so?
[12:35] <dolson> I was asked by a DD to upload my packages :D
[12:36] <raphink> well you're a DD yourself
[12:36] <raphink> dolson: great :)
[12:36] <ajmitch_> I meant when I wasn't a DD
[12:36] <ajmitch_> obviously
[12:36] <raphink> ajmitch_: ah ok ;)
[12:36] <raphink> ajmitch_: well I don't search too much, too I guess
[12:36] <ajmitch_> which is why I stated it in the past tense
[12:36] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: but after I sent out RFS, their is no reply at all , and my package have been reviewed times on REVU at all
[12:36] <ajmitch_> freeflying-ibook: I just got people I knew on irc, or my AM
[12:37] <ajmitch_> now I just sponsor uploads for others, when I have time
[12:37] <siretart> ah, ajmitch is offering to sponsor debian uploads for motus? *G* (j/k)
[12:37] <siretart> ah
[12:37] <raphink> dolson: I'd like a better desktop file if you have to add one
[12:37] <siretart> ok. anyway, hi ajmitch_
[12:37] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: so would you mind review my package :)
[12:37] <raphink> dolson: give it a real GenericName and Comment please
[12:38] <ajmitch_> freeflying-ibook: see the part about having time
[12:38] <ajmitch_> hey siretart
[12:38] <dolson> raphink: ok. I didn't create it, persia did... but I'll fix it
[12:38] <raphink> thanks
[12:38] <ajmitch_> so submit your debian sponsorship requests & I'll add them to my list ;)
[12:38] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: then I mail you my package on mentors ?
[12:39] <siretart> ajmitch_: must have been a hard time for you
[12:39] <ajmitch_> siretart: which?
[12:39] <siretart> ajmitch_: having to stay in .au for such long time ;)
[12:39] <ajmitch_> yeah
[12:39] <ajmitch_> too many australians ;)
[12:39] <siretart> :)
[12:39] <ajmitch_> siretart: how's your NM process going? got an AM yet?
[12:41] <ajmitch_> freeflying-ibook: I don't mind how you do it, I'd just need packages & you willing to fix any mistakes :)
[12:41] <siretart> ajmitch_: nah, in the meantime, I have a dozen package under my fingers, but I'm still waiting for FD to assign me an AM :(
[12:41] <siretart> ajmitch_: you don't know a way to speed this up, do you? ;)
[12:41] <ajmitch_> no I don't, sorry
[12:41] <ajmitch_> and I was told that volunteering as an AM wouldn't help much either
[12:42] <siretart> this weekend, I was told having birthday could help
[12:42] <ajmitch_> hehe
[12:42] <ajmitch_> what birthday is it?
[12:42] <siretart> well, of the applicant, I assume
[12:42] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: recently , I have about 3-4 package RFS
[12:42] <ajmitch_> so you're not having a birthday soon? :)
[12:43] <siretart> no, I have in august
[12:43] <ajmitch_> freeflying-ibook: ok, but I don't regularly read the -mentors list
[12:43] <siretart> and looking at the queue and its progress, this seems to be a realistic date for my AM assignment *sigh*
[12:44] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: then I poke you here ? or mail you ?
[12:44] <ajmitch_> mail me
[12:44] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: would you mind msg your mail address ?
[12:44] <ajmitch_> freeflying-ibook: ajmitch@debian.org
[12:45] <ajmitch_> it's public enough anyway
[12:45] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: got it .thx
[12:45] <ajmitch_> put something in the subject so I don't miss it :)
[12:45] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: sure , hehe
[01:06] <netzmeister> hm
[01:07] <netzmeister> Copying source file
[01:07] <netzmeister>     -> copying [codeblocks_1.0+svn2160-0ubuntu1_source.changes] 
[01:07] <netzmeister>     -> copying [./devel] 
[01:07] <netzmeister> cp: cannot stat `./devel': No such file or directory
[01:07] <netzmeister> pbuilder build .........
[01:07] <netzmeister> why think pbuilder that "devel" is a directory??
[01:07] <netzmeister> "devel" is the Section Value in the control file..
[01:08] <siretart> netzmeister: use pbuilder on a .dsc, not a .changes file
[01:08] <netzmeister> uhhh
[01:08] <netzmeister> omg thx siretart
[01:12] <ajmitch_> siretart: so what have you been up to lately? I've seen you active in main & getting into development :)
[01:14] <netzmeister> siretart:  it's one oclock.. time to sleep ;-)
[01:14] <ajmitch_> netzmeister: but that's early
[01:15] <netzmeister> ajmitch_:  one o'clock at night..
[01:15] <ajmitch_> yeah
[01:15] <ajmitch_> if the suns' not about to rise, it's not time for sleep
[01:17] <netzmeister> ajmitch_:  hmm, but when you must go to work at nine o'clock it's better if you go to bed at night.. ;-)
[01:19] <ajmitch_> sure
[01:19] <siretart> ajmitch_: oh, I'm currently busy learning for my last exam for university. in debian, I've been working on wpasupplicant and libopenal/freealut, and in ubuntu I'm reviewing UVF requests and fixing bugs here and there
[01:20] <ajmitch_> siretart: ah yes, you're in the UVF team :)
[01:20] <siretart> currently I wanted to upload the latest wine release but gcc hates me: it just ICEes :/
[01:20] <ajmitch_> that's nasty
[01:20] <ajmitch_> how's the new UVF scheme working out?
[01:21] <ajmitch_> nearly all bugfixes this time
[01:22] <siretart> ajmitch_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html documents the current workflow
[01:22] <ajmitch_> yeah I made the first request, remember :)
[01:22] <siretart> argl, sure
[01:23] <siretart> looking at https://launchpad.net/people/motu-uvf/+assignedbugs I'd say it works better than the solution we had before
[01:25] <siretart> ah, upload finished finally
[01:25] <ajmitch_> yeah, no more waiting for a week
[01:25] <ajmitch_> they are painful
[01:25] <ajmitch_> nice & fast
[01:25] <ajmitch_> I had to scp the files there though :)
[01:29] <siretart> anyway, need to get some sleep
[01:29] <siretart> gn8 folks!
[01:29] <ajmitch_> night siretart
[01:29] <ajmitch_> sleep well
[01:29] <siretart> thanks
[01:30] <netzmeister> n8 siretart
[01:39] <raphink> gn siretart
[02:20] <crimsun> wow. so ipw2200 1.1.1 is a complete no-go on this X41-2527.
[02:20] <crimsun> new ieee80211+ipw2200 == hard freeze on boot
[02:22] <ajmitch_> crimsun: really? that's surprising
[02:22] <crimsun> quite
[03:11] <ajmitch_> aha, question on ubuntu-devel about those acer laptops & alsa :)
[03:12] <ajmitch_> sounds like a job for crimsun
[03:15] <crimsun> oh boy :)
[03:15] <crimsun> I haven't even checked mail in the past couple hours, been fighting with ipw2200
[03:17] <ajmitch_> just a request in include the ALC260 patches
[03:17] <crimsun> yep, it's queued
[03:17] <crimsun> got a thinkpad jack sense fix, some hda-intel alc* updates
[03:20] <ajmitch_> very nice
[04:25] <LaserJock> dolson: ping?
[04:25] <dolson> LaserJock: hey
[04:25] <LaserJock> dolson: looks like the meterbridge diff didn't get any smaller
[04:26] <dolson> LaserJock: well I don't know what I'm supposed to do... I didn't change anything but the rules & changelog files and added the .desktop file
[04:26] <dolson> I even deleted the source tree and started from scratch
[04:26] <LaserJock> right, it is all in the autotools stuff
[04:27] <LaserJock> when you run debuild or whatever that stuff get created, I think
[04:27] <LaserJock> you might try using filterdiff
[04:29] <dolson> I guess I have a lot to learn.
[04:29] <LaserJock> your doing good, I just lurk around in here and pick up some times now and then ;-)
[04:29] <LaserJock> s/times/tips/
[04:30] <dolson> I never even heard of filterdiff before
[04:34] <LaserJock> dolson: I actually picked that filterdiff tip up from crimsun
[04:34] <LaserJock> I haven't used it yet but I wrote it down so I could put it in the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[04:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: get flamed?
[04:35] <ajmitch_> it's great fun being told I obviously don't know what I'm talking about
[04:35] <dolson> you should put it in the packaging guide so I can read it
[04:35] <dolson> ajmitch_: link? :)
[04:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: I'm glad I'm not the only one that doesn't know what they are talking about
[04:37] <ajmitch_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=141718
[04:38] <ajmitch_> just replying to it now, trying to be nice :)
[04:39] <LaserJock> ah, that isn't even very bad
[04:41] <LaserJock> I got flamed for daring to describe the Ubuntu release process to people who were ranting why dapper wasn't more stable than breezy and sid when the dapper repos opened
[04:41] <ajmitch_> no, it's not bad, but annoying
[04:43] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: yeah, I started my Ubuntu experience in the forums because I was used to the Gentoo forums. Now I can't even hardly bare to go there. I just get so mad.
[04:44] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: it's only useful for me to get bugreports that people don't bother to file in malone
[04:48] <ajmitch_> I really shouldn't post to the forums
[04:49] <dolson> is it hard to get a UVF exception?
[04:50] <LaserJock> seems quite easy to me, much easier than I thought in fact
[04:50] <dolson> I should file for a couple
[04:50] <LaserJock> although it might be harder now that we are almost at UI Freeze
[04:51] <ajmitch_> I don't think UI freeze applies too much to universe
[04:52] <LaserJock> man vnc is a mess
[04:52] <LaserJock> I sure wish I could figure it out
[04:52] <ajmitch_> but file a request anyway
[04:52] <LaserJock> yeah, it certainly doesn't hurt to try
[04:55] <crimsun_> well, we're definitely at the point where we need to shoehorn stability over new features
[04:56] <LaserJock> hmm, like a working vnc server :/
[04:56] <ajmitch_> crimsun_: yes, and that's mainly why we want UVF exceptions
[04:56] <crimsun_> if an uvf exception fixes that, I'm all for it
[05:53] <LaserJock> any tetex guru's about?
[05:55] <crimsun_> 2 out of 3 hunks FAILED
[05:55] <crimsun_> this is going to be a looong night
[05:57] <ajmitch_> crimsun_: much pain with patches?
[06:00] <ajmitch_> backwards..
[06:00] <LaserJock> lol
[06:00] <ajmitch_> it's rather depressing
[06:00] <ajmitch_> since this has to be done by tomorrow
[06:00] <ajmitch_> at this rate there's not a hope
[06:01] <LaserJock> I just noticed that we have tetex-bin and tetex-base 3.0 but tetex-src 2.0.2 because Debian updated it on Jan. 31st
[06:02] <ajmitch_> wonderful
[06:02] <LaserJock> so should I do a an UVF request?
[06:03] <ajmitch_> if you feel it's warranted
[06:05] <LaserJock> they thing is I don't know it enough but the description says says that it is useful for developers but not users necessarily
[06:05] <ajmitch_> right
[06:05] <ajmitch_> the UVF team will decide
[06:05] <LaserJock> however, if we have the wrong version of the source...
[06:05] <LaserJock> ok, I'll try to write something up
[06:09] <LaserJock> hi Gloubiboulga
[06:10] <Gloubiboulga> hey LaserJock
[06:10] <ajmitch_> hello Gloubiboulga, highvoltage
[06:11] <highvoltage> hi ajmitch_
[06:11] <Gloubiboulga> hi ajmitch_
[06:21] <minghua> LaserJock: well, an old tetex-src should hurt nobody, in my opinion
[06:21] <LaserJock> minghua: think so, what would it be used for?
[06:22] <minghua> LaserJock: that's just some extra stuff to satisfy lincense of some files in tetex distribution
[06:22] <LaserJock> ah, makes sense
[06:22] <minghua> LaserJock: imagine like a piece of software written in C, but with a license saying "you must ship the original C file with the compiled binary"
[06:23] <minghua> LaserJock: and this tetex-src is the "C source file" part, which no user will need
[06:23] <minghua> LaserJock: it won't hurt to sync it, of course, but I wouldn't put my time into it
[06:23] <LaserJock> ok
[06:23] <minghua> looking at the log, maybe LaserJock already wrote the mail?
[06:24] <LaserJock> ?
[06:25] <minghua> LaserJock: I mean "<LaserJock> ok, I'll try to write something up", which is 20 minutes ago
[06:26] <LaserJock> oh, I haven't yet, I was working on diffstats, changelogs, etc
[06:26] <Amaranth> if that's the case we _have_ to have the new version
[06:26] <LaserJock> I'm still trying to download the source package ;-)
[06:26] <Amaranth> otherwise we're in violation of the license
[06:28] <LaserJock> think so?
[06:33] <minghua> Hmm, Amaranth is right, but do we have tetex-src in main?
[06:33] <LaserJock> no Universe
[06:34] <minghua> I really don't know how this is supposed to work, it's not as if we don't provide source pacakges
[06:34] <minghua> maybe asking debian-tetex-maint@l.d.o list is a good idea...
[06:35] <LaserJock> perhaps
[06:45] <LaserJock> jeeze, the change in orig.tar.gz is 33MB :(
[06:45] <minghua> LaserJock: I remember tetex 3 is a rewrite, so that won't surprise me
[06:46] <LaserJock> it is more than double the current
[06:47] <LaserJock> but it doesn't apper that the packaging has changed at all
[06:49] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe not. the changelog says that they added a new package latex-source2e-doc that has pdf version of the latex documentation
[06:58] <minghua> bash doesn't have <= comparison for strings?  this is annoying
[07:09] <G0SUB> dolson
[07:28] <crimsun_> yay, patch 1 of zillions done
[07:29] <ajmitch_> crimsun_: good work
[08:26] <Gloubiboulga> could somebody tell me what exactly means 'fix commited' and 'fix released' on LP
[08:26] <ajmitch_> fix released means it's in the archive
[08:26] <ajmitch_> fix committed generally means it's ready for uploa
[08:26] <ajmitch_> upload
[08:26] <Gloubiboulga> ok, thanks ajmitch_
[08:28] <freeflying> looking for review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2127
[08:34] <ajmitch_> freeflying: really, you should have cleaned it up a fair bit before asking for review - debian/rules is full of commented out & unneeded cruft
[08:34] <freeflying> ajmitch_:  :) , thx
[08:37] <ajmitch_> & did you mention that docs are under the GFDL?
[08:37] <ajmitch_> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/quarry-0603090220/quarry-0.1.17/README has a lot more info than debian/copyright does
[08:39] <minghua> ajmitch_: how did you vote to the GFDL GR (assuming you want to say, but I think it's public vote anyway)
[09:07] <freeflying> ajmitch_: then I'd put all of the author's in README to th debian/copyright ?
[09:40] <ajmitch_> siretart: selinux is no kernel patch - it's been in the kernel for a long time now :)
[09:43] <siretart> ajmitch_: oh, interesting
[09:43] <siretart> morning, btw ;)
[09:45] <ajmitch_> hi :)
[09:45] <ajmitch_> how are you?
[09:45] <siretart> still a bit dizzy, but I'm fine
[09:46] <siretart> should really get to learning, but software engineering is so boring :(
[09:46] <ajmitch_> yeah..
[09:50] <dholbach> poor siretart - good luck with that!
[09:51] <siretart> its just 2 weeks, but them I promise to focus on revu2
[09:51] <siretart> sometimes life just sucks
[09:51] <ajmitch_> siretart: I'm back at uni on monday (I hope!)
[09:52] <siretart> dholbach: is wiesbaden now official? I've seen an announcement on prolinux.de, but nothing from canonical
[09:52] <ajmitch_> siretart: what is it?
[09:52] <dholbach> what was on prolinux.de?
[09:53] <siretart> http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2006/9390.html
[09:53] <ajmitch_> dholbach: btw, no desktop tasks? :)
[09:53] <dholbach> ajmitch_: hu?
[09:53] <siretart> its german. it translates: Ubuntu love day at linuxtag in wiesbaden
[09:53] <siretart> s/its/it is/
[09:54] <ogra> "...Wie die Organisatoren versprechen, werden auch hier hochkartige Entwickler zugegen sein, die auch die Konferenzen des LinuxTag bereichern sollen." :-D
[09:54] <ogra> lol
[09:54] <ajmitch_> dholbach: I imagine the desktop team is overloaded with work, is there somewhere we can jump in & help?
[09:54] <dholbach> ajmitch_: bug triage
[09:54] <dholbach> ajmitch_: bug triage
[09:54] <dholbach> ajmitch_: bug triage
[09:54] <dholbach> *whine*
[09:54] <ajmitch_> aha
[09:55] <ajmitch_> the long, boring part of your job :)
[09:55] <siretart> ogra: I was quite surprised and a bit confused about that news entry. are there similar announcements elsewhere?
[09:55] <dholbach> siretart: I think not, it's the first I read
[09:55] <ajmitch_> when is linuxtag?
[09:55] <ogra> siretart, nope, i dont think so
[09:56] <siretart> interesting.
[09:57] <siretart> ajmitch_: linuxtag is from 3.may to 6. may
[09:58] <ajmitch_> ok
[09:58] <ajmitch_> so maybe around the time of the next ubuntu conf :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> hello
[11:59] <netzmeister> re
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: you around?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> you handled the person on the forums very delicately lol
[12:05] <ajmitch_> yes
[12:05] <ajmitch_> delicate? like with a hammer?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:05] <Hobbsee> particularly as the orig poster obviously doesnt realise that you're a dev yourself hehe...
[12:05] <ajmitch_> sure
[12:06] <ajmitch_> but I'm not going to advertise I'm a wannabe developer :)
[12:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:06] <Hobbsee> good point
[12:06] <ajmitch_> my main contributions to the forums are telling people to FILE BUGS! ;)
[12:07] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:07] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:07] <Hobbsee> hey StevenK
[12:07] <ajmitch_> and as a developer I should never be blasting someone across the room :)
[12:07] <ajmitch_> evening StevenK
[12:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:07] <Mithrandir> ajmitch_: unless you're playing ET, UT or quake, that is.
[12:07] <ajmitch_> true
[12:08] <ajmitch_> then it's certainly warranted
[12:08] <Mithrandir> almost encouraged.
[12:08] <StevenK> Mmmmmmmmmm, UT
[12:08] <Mithrandir> :-)
[12:08] <ajmitch_> neither have I
[12:10] <ajmitch_> yay, flight back to NZ is booked
[12:11] <StevenK> ajmitch_: You're finally done in Brissy?
[12:11] <ajmitch_> StevenK: almost
[12:12] <ajmitch_> sadly I won't get down to sydney to visit all the ubuntu fans down there ;)
[12:12] <Hobbsee> then you can go back to NZ and freeze
[12:12] <StevenK> Blah
[12:13] <StevenK> Look ajmitch_, you've got a fangirl
[12:13] <ajmitch_> not likely
[12:13] <StevenK> I'd fangirl you, but my wife would object.
[12:14] <Hobbsee> if you were here in person, you'd have a very sore arm right about now...
[12:15] <tseng> you know ajmitch_ isnt really that nice a guy in person
[12:15] <tseng> http://flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477862/
[12:15] <ajmitch_> tseng knows
[12:15] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Which one? :-P
[12:15] <ajmitch_> that was in sydney, too
[12:15] <tseng> indeed.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> i was actually meaning in reference to you, StevenK :P
[12:16] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:16] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I know, I was refering to which arm. :-)
[12:17] <ajmitch_> ah sweet memories..
[12:17] <StevenK> "[22:16]  < Hobbsee> if you were here in person, you'd have a very sore arm right about now..."
[12:17] <tseng> i upgraded a dev sever to dapper yesterday
[12:17] <tseng> to make sure all my software still runs smoothly (or fix it)
[12:17] <tseng> not a bad showing so far
[12:18] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yes, but does it matter which arm was now sore?  presumably the one i was closer to, to hit you with
[12:18] <tseng> some manual futzing with mysql-server-5.0 and rrdtool-tcl
[12:18] <ajmitch_> dapper seems to be shaping up
[12:18] <StevenK> Hobbsee: You'd hit me with my own arm?
[12:19] <StevenK> Hopefully, I can bait Hobbsee into running her and getting me in person ...
[12:19] <Hobbsee> i knew that didnt make sense when i hit enter!
[12:19] <tseng> thats the same time i went back to bzr
[12:19] <Hobbsee> you could try
[12:19] <StevenK> Could be fun
[12:19] <ajmitch_> depends where in sydney you are
[12:19] <StevenK> Not that far from her, actually
[12:19] <StevenK> I could drive there in 25 minutes
[12:20] <Hobbsee> i warn you, just dont come to my house...
[12:20] <StevenK> Awwww, why not?
[12:20] <Hobbsee> meet me at uni, fine, but not at my house
[12:20] <Hobbsee> those weird people called my parents, you know
[12:20] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:20] <StevenK> Oh, I solved that problem.
[12:20] <Mithrandir> that's ok, SK's weird too. ;-)
[12:20] <StevenK> I moved out
[12:21] <StevenK> Mithrandir: You are shorter than me, you'd need a step-ladder
[12:21] <Mithrandir> StevenK: I could jump
[12:22] <StevenK> Heh
[12:22] <Mithrandir> or climb you, or kick you in the knees.  The last option would be mean, though
[12:22] <StevenK> Hobbsee: You want to skip the awkward, "So, who was that guy?" questions?
[12:23] <StevenK> Ouch, kicks to the kneecaps hurt
[12:23] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: just mention it was someone involved with ubuntu
[12:23] <ajmitch_> they'll just nod & smile
[12:23] <Hobbsee> more the "what the hell are you involved in?  you're goign to get raped/murdered/whatever by someone you meet off the net." blah blah blah
[12:23] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:23] <Hobbsee> haha - they think i'm nuts anyway, for working on open source stuff
[12:23] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Tell them it's a secret sect.
[12:24] <tseng> or tell them you meet him at uni
[12:24] <ajmitch_> sure, my parents thought I was at least a little nuts for flying over to sydney & then to montreal
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:24] <tseng> done and done
[12:24] <StevenK> ajmitch_: My mother begged me not to go to Finland
[12:24] <Mithrandir> I guess I'm weird whose parents think that's perfectly reasonable.
[12:24] <ajmitch_> StevenK: the way some users carry on, you wouldn't be far off from thinking it's a religion
[12:25] <ajmitch_> Mithrandir: sure, my parents didn't think it was unreasonable, just a little surprising
[12:25] <tseng> yeah my parents think the trips are cool
[12:25] <ajmitch_> they're perfectly happy for me to travel the world
[12:25] <tseng> always ask me where I am going next
[12:25] <Hobbsee> haha - again?
[12:26] <Mithrandir> ajmitch_: it'd kinda suck if you suddenly ended up in .ch without a ticket, wouldn't it? :-)
[12:26] <ajmitch_> 5th trip in just over a year to .au
[12:26] <ajmitch_> Mithrandir: a little
[12:26] <ajmitch_> though I've got friends in .ch :)
[12:27] <ajmitch_> oh dear
[12:27] <ajmitch_> just saw the latest wiki edit for the scim page
[12:28] <ajmitch_> some of the suggestions on the wiki & the forums are almost guaranteed to break someone's box
[12:30] <minghua> ajmitch_: which wiki page?
[12:31] <ajmitch_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[12:31] <ajmitch_> when people are installed openoffice from rpms converted by alien
[12:32] <ajmitch_> there are a lot of these sort of pages around
[12:33] <minghua> and now scim is going to be shipped in ubuntu-desktop by default
[12:34] <ajmitch_> yep
[12:34] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Was that again directed at me?
[12:34] <minghua> glad we have 1.4.4 now, at least
[12:34] <ajmitch_> the worst part is handling those bugreports, and finding out a few days into debugging that they broke their system with this stuff
[12:35] <ajmitch_> tseng can tell you of his experiences with that..
[12:35] <minghua> by the way does ubuntu has a usability team?
[12:35] <ogra> someone should fix reportbug finally ...
[12:35] <Hobbsee> StevenK: ah, yeah, dont worry - brain is quickly dying tonight
[12:35] <Hobbsee> been fighting with my wireless, and doing a 4 hour chem prac
[12:35] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Like last night? :-)
[12:35] <ogra> so you get package versions and lists at least
[12:35] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:36] <ajmitch_> time for me to go offline for the night, see you tomorrow
[12:36] <ogra> night ajmitch_
[12:36] <ogra> minghua, write a nicer one for dapper+1 :)
[12:36] <minghua> ajmitch_: bye
[12:36] <highvoltage> night ajmitch_
[12:36] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch_
[12:36] <StevenK> If anyone can tell me how to use FormatMessage() from the Win32 API, that'd be great. ;-)
[12:36] <StevenK> Night ajmitch_
[12:36] <minghua> ogra: hey, I don't know programming, especially not c++
[12:37] <ogra> i bet you could do it in python instead of c++ ...
[12:37] <ogra> :)
[12:38] <ogra> :))
[12:38] <minghua> ogra: does writing a python GUI program based on a C++ library mean writing a binding for the library first?
[12:38] <highvoltage> ogra: is martin schulze also involved with ubuntu in any way?
[12:39] <ogra> i never did such a thing ... i just write the stuff in python ....
[12:39] <tseng> highvoltage: not that ive ever heard of
[12:39] <ogra> highvoltage, not directly, no
[12:39] <highvoltage> ok.
[12:39] <ogra> he's a debian celebrity
[12:39] <highvoltage> perhaps more like was. he posted a big hissy fit (and it seems justified) to debian-devel-announce. seems like he's left.
[12:40] <ogra> url ?
[12:40] <highvoltage> just sec...
[12:40] <tseng> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/
[12:40] <ogra> tseng, haha :P
[12:41] <highvoltage> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00008.html
[12:41] <ogra> highvoltage, thanks
[12:42] <StevenK> He hasn't left.
[12:42] <StevenK> He is giving up on being SRM
[12:42] <highvoltage> ah, ok.
[12:42] <StevenK> (That's how I read it, anyway)
[12:43] <tseng> thats how i read it, also
[12:43] <ogra> yup
[12:43] <tseng> it was fairly specific.
[12:44] <highvoltage> minghua: no, there wasn
[12:44] <highvoltage> 't.
[12:44] <azeem> highvoltage: he's still debian-press, debian-system-administration and debian-security, at least
[12:44] <minghua> this is really sad.  not very surprising though
[12:45] <azeem> and really, this isn't the right chan
[12:45] <highvoltage> yeah, sorry about that, killall -9 joey-email-discussion
[04:26] <raphink> ok here is a game for you guys
[04:26] <raphink> I'm trying to guess what language is this : http://raphink.net/13_Track_13.ogg
[04:26] <raphink> anyone has got an idea ?
[04:30] <raphink> (nothing to do with MOTU though ;))
[04:30] <G0SUB> raphink sounds like some european lang.
[04:30] <raphink> G0SUB: the music sounds european, but not the language to me
[04:30] <raphink> to me it sounds more asian
[04:30] <raphink> it has very nasal sounds
[04:30] <G0SUB> raphink I am an asian ... it's not asian
[04:30] <raphink> that could be in portuguese or french if I didn't know both of these languages
[04:30] <raphink> what languages do you speak G0SUB?
[04:31] <G0SUB> raphink may be fr or pt
[04:31] <raphink> G0SUB: no I'm french and I speak pt ;)
[04:31] <G0SUB> raphink I speak 3 indic languages and can recognise all
[04:31] <LarstiQ> doesn't sound like a real language to me
[04:31] <G0SUB> esperanto?
[04:31] <raphink> yes but when I mean asian I don't mean indian
[04:31] <LarstiQ> G0SUB: hell no :)
[04:31] <raphink> G0SUB: no I know esperanto
[04:32] <LarstiQ> ah, here it does sounds like a language
[04:32] <raphink> it is an existing language I'm sure
[04:32] <raphink> and to me it sounds like an asian language
[04:32] <LarstiQ> raphink: it reminds me a bit of german at places
[04:32] <raphink> like vietnamese or chinese
[04:32] <raphink> LarstiQ: where are you from?
[04:32] <LarstiQ> raphink: .nl
[04:33] <raphink> ok
[04:33] <raphink> it's not dutch for sure ;)
[04:33] <G0SUB> raphink asian can be thai, chinese, japanese, sinhalese, burmese, malay, etc. and i can recognise them
[04:33] <LarstiQ> raphink: does not sound asian to me
[04:33] <raphink> oik
[04:33] <raphink> hmm
[04:33] <raphink> maybe east european then
[04:33] <raphink> turkish?
[04:33] <raphink> anyone knows turkish?
[04:33] <G0SUB> raphink possible ... possibly east european
[04:34] <Yagisan> raphink: I also don't think it is asian. Definitely not Japanese, or Korean
[04:34] <raphink> yep
[04:34] <raphink> well it's all about these nasal sounds
[04:34] <raphink> not a lot of languages have sounds like this
[04:34] <raphink> and funnily enough there are these "mutz" and "futz" ending words
[04:35] <raphink> that make it sound like germanic language at times
[04:35] <raphink> to me at least
[04:37] <LarstiQ> raphink: Its not Turkish as I know it.
[04:37] <raphink> ok
[04:37] <G0SUB> Romanian?
[04:37] <LarstiQ> raphink: could it be retoromanic? Or however it is called in English
[04:38] <raphink> retoromanic ?
[04:38] <raphink> what is that?
[04:38] <raphink> G0SUB: romanian is a latin language, doesn't sound like this
[04:38] <G0SUB> i see
[04:38] <raphink> imo
[04:39] <LarstiQ> raphink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romansh
[04:39] <raphink> ah
[04:39] <raphink> romanche
[04:39] <raphink> I doubt so
[04:39] <LarstiQ> raphink: Retoromaans in Dutch
[04:39] <tseng> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_language
[04:39] <tseng> is this what you mean by retromanic
[04:40] <LarstiQ> tseng: no :)
[04:40] <LarstiQ> raphink: I really think I hear snippets of German in there
[04:41] <raphink> really?
[04:41] <raphink> it doesn't sound like a germanic language all in all to me
[04:41] <LarstiQ> raphink: at 0:33 and 0:40 for instance
[04:42] <LarstiQ> so tzech perhaps?
[04:42] <raphink> hmmm
[04:42] <raphink> doubt so
[04:45] <raphink> hard guess ...
[04:46] <raphink> icelandic?
[04:50] <raphink> any more guess?
[04:54] <Jeds> its swedish
[04:54] <raphink> Jeds: you're kidding
[04:54] <Jeds> no
[04:54] <raphink> ?
[04:55] <Jeds> im not kidding
[04:55] <raphink> oooh ok
[04:55] <raphink> lol
[04:56] <Jeds> well obviously not :P
[04:56] <raphink> hehe :)
[04:56] <raphink> I understand it when it's written
[04:56] <raphink> but not sung at least ;)
[04:56] <raphink> obviously
[04:56] <raphink> :)
[04:56] <Jeds> http://www.lyricsdownload.com/ekdahl-lisa-vem-vet-lyrics.html
[04:56] <Jeds> there's the lyrics'
[04:57] <raphink> thanks
[04:57] <freeflying> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2129
[06:51] <sladen> WRT http://lwn.net/Articles/174930/ is anyone else waiting on Debian syncs
[06:54] <G0SUB> sladen hah, everybody is talking about this
[07:15] <sladen> crimsun, ogra: ping regarding syncs
[07:16] <ogra> sladen, ?
[07:19] <phanatic> hi people
[07:23] <Gloubiboulga> wb phanatic
[07:23] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[07:42] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[07:43] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[07:43] <toma_> ..nick toma
[07:44] <LaserJock> dholbach: I wanted to ask you about a possible UVF exception for tetex-src
[07:45] <LaserJock> dholbach: I was looking at it last night. I saw that tetex-bin and tetex-base are 3.0 but Debian didn't get tetex-src 3.0 out until Jan. 31st
[07:45] <dholbach> LaserJock: what exactly do you want to know?
[07:45] <dholbach> LaserJock: you could just file a bug report as the process says?
[07:47] <LaserJock> dholbach: well, I was sort wondering if it was even worth it. For one, it isn't actually useful for users and the diff is huge (it source packages has more than doubled in size), however, I was a little concerned about a licensing issue
[07:47] <dholbach> LaserJock: just file the bug
[07:47] <dholbach> siretart slomo and I will reply to it
[07:47] <LaserJock> ok, thanks
[07:49] <slomo> hm, isn't tetex-src in main?
[07:50] <slomo> ah ok...
[07:52] <LaserJock> slomo: no, it isn't. I'm really not sure if it is a big deal. The only thing I was worried about was complying with the license
[07:53] <LaserJock> if we are distributing the wrong version of the source that probably isn't good. I don't know that anybody would care though.
[07:58] <LaserJock> hmm, we might want to sync tetex-base too, looks like they fixed some RC bugs
[07:59] <slomo> tetex-base is main... hm, you could talk to pitti about tetex-base, he cares for it iirc
[08:02] <LaserJock> slomo: ok, thanks
[08:04] <LaserJock> netzmeister: Guten Abend?
[08:41] <siretart> LaserJock: nabend!
[08:41] <siretart> (colloq. for "g'evening")
[08:42] <LaserJock> siretart: ahh, I kinda figured that. I'm trying to learn a little bit more of the informal language/slang
[08:42] <LaserJock> I'm learning a bit of the more formal stuff online
[08:46] <siretart> klare sache (== 'sure thing')
[08:47] <LaserJock> what is "di rein" or something similar, I can't remember the exact spelling
[08:47] <siretart> you mean the french 'de rien'?
[08:47] <siretart> I think 'gern geschehen' comes close
[08:48] <LaserJock> ah, is it French? I think that is it. Doesn't dholbach say it all the time
[08:48] <ogra> he is french  ....
[08:48] <ogra> (in sprit)
[08:48] <ogra> ;)
[08:49] <LaserJock> lol
[08:49] <LaserJock> that must be why he is always hugging people ;-)
[08:50] <ogra> heh
[08:51] <siretart> hehe
[08:52] <LaserJock> so is 'gern geschehen' like np ?
[08:53] <LaserJock> lol, I tried getting on #ubuntu-de the other day. I was able to get some of it through the Google translator but there is too much slang and computer talk
[09:11] <siretart> LaserJock: right
[09:12] <LaserJock> cool, I wrote it down so I'll remember ;-)
[09:27] <LaserJock> I think it has a --help
[11:16] <ajmitch_>  morning all
[11:16] <ajmitch_> quiet channel today
[11:18] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch_
[11:19] <LaserJock> I suppose it's only us lazy people who have time to IRC ;-)
[11:20] <ajmitch_> everyone else is off fixing bugs :)
[11:28] <dolson> well.. I'm going to have a nap :)
[11:30] <ajmitch_> oh dear
[11:31] <ajmitch_> someone claiming that linux 2.6.12 sources aren't available in ubuntu & it breaches the GPL
[11:31] <ajmitch_> someone please educate him :)
[11:31] <Mithrandir> uh, they aren't?
[11:31] <ajmitch_> oh good, dolson did
[11:31] <ajmitch_> Mithrandir: he claims they aren't (ie he doesn't know where to find them)
[11:43] <LaserJock> hi crimsun and bmonty
[11:43] <bmonty> hi LaserJock
[11:43] <crimsun> hi LaserJock & bmonty
[11:43] <ajmitch_> crimsun: how'd the patch mangling go?
[11:44] <crimsun> ajmitch_: 3/8 have been merged in 18.28 already
[11:44] <crimsun> I should have the majority of hda-intel done tonight
[11:45] <ajmitch_> great
[11:45] <ajmitch_> it'll make quite a few people happy
[11:45] <crimsun> :)
[11:46] <ajmitch_> I noticed quite a few people on the forums with this one
[11:52] <Seveas> ajmitch_, lol@soap opera 
[11:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: man, I wonder if that GPL violation guy will try mailing -devel any time soon ;-)
[11:58] <ajmitch_> haha
[11:58] <hub> who?
[12:02] <LaserJock> what does "archive processing" mean? syncs and uploads, etc. ?