| allee | amu: ping | 01:03 |
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| Riddell_ | mornfall: no paticular deadline, just whenever you can | 01:10 |
| freeflying-ibook | mornfall: adept can works after I change the locales to en_US | 01:12 |
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| raphink | robotgeek: I thought this had actually been fixed lately | 05:13 |
| robotgeek | raphink: hmm, nope.i still have problem on my ibook | 05:13 |
| raphink | hmm ok | 05:14 |
| raphink | when did you upgrade? | 05:14 |
| robotgeek | raphink: as in apt-get dist-upgrade? today evening | 05:14 |
| raphink | I'm pretty sure I remember someone had made systemsettings use a bar to go up and down when this happens | 05:14 |
| robotgeek | i had to use alt+ drag | 05:15 |
| robotgeek | raphink: does it matter if i used my breezy .kde? | 05:15 |
| raphink | I don't know | 05:16 |
| raphink | test it ;) | 05:16 |
| raphink | just mv it to .kde2 | 05:16 |
| raphink | and see if it works ;) | 05:16 |
| === robotgeek is worried for his mail, lol | ||
| raphink | huh? | 05:17 |
| raphink | why? | 05:17 |
| raphink | There's absolutely no risk | 05:17 |
| raphink | you just move your .kde to .kde2 | 05:18 |
| raphink | do your test | 05:18 |
| raphink | then move .kde2 back to .kde | 05:18 |
| robotgeek | oh well, i have to move to .kde3 | 05:18 |
| raphink | and you get your settings back | 05:18 |
| raphink | your mail are put in ~/Mail anyway | 05:18 |
| raphink | ;) | 05:18 |
| raphink | they are not in .kde | 05:18 |
| raphink | if you use kmail that is | 05:18 |
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| raphink | hi freeflying | 05:19 |
| freeflying | raphink: hi | 05:19 |
| robotgeek | raphink: my bad, i think it has been fixed | 05:21 |
| raphink | robotgeek: I think is has, yes :) | 05:22 |
| robotgeek | oh no, my shortcuts! | 05:22 |
| raphink | robotgeek: do you get a scrolling bar now? | 05:22 |
| robotgeek | raphink: it acutally resizes quote nicely and fits in the screen | 05:22 |
| raphink | robotgeek: you'll get your shortcuts back with your .kde | 05:22 |
| raphink | ;) | 05:22 |
| === raphink is very tired | ||
| raphink | robotgeek: great | 05:23 |
| robotgeek | raphink: thanks for all the help | 05:23 |
| raphink | quite a lot of things have been fixed lately | 05:23 |
| raphink | :) | 05:23 |
| raphink | thankfully | 05:23 |
| raphink | so we have a hope of having dapper stable and smooth | 05:23 |
| robotgeek | raphink: yes, i will mark it as closed then | 05:23 |
| raphink | thanks | 05:24 |
| raphink | put "fix released" | 05:24 |
| raphink | don't remember who fixed it. I think it's _Sime | 05:24 |
| robotgeek | it was assigned to Ridell | 05:25 |
| raphink | mhm | 05:25 |
| raphink | doesn't mean Riddell fixed it ;) | 05:25 |
| raphink | if he had to fix all the bugs assigned to him, that would be a lot | 05:25 |
| robotgeek | okay, i'll just put it in as _Sime | 05:26 |
| raphink | no | 05:26 |
| raphink | doesn't matter | 05:26 |
| raphink | since it's fixed | 05:26 |
| raphink | just put that the fix has been released | 05:26 |
| raphink | if you want to know how fixed it, check the changelogs for kde-guidance | 05:26 |
| robotgeek | raphink: i'll try at lower resoultion and then mark it | 05:26 |
| raphink | ok :)= | 05:27 |
| raphink | robotgeek: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kde-guidance/kde-guidance_0.6.2-0ubuntu1/changelog | 05:28 |
| raphink | look at this | 05:28 |
| robotgeek | raphink: not fixed, unfortunately | 05:29 |
| raphink | ok | 05:29 |
| raphink | you didn't put your .kde back before testing? | 05:29 |
| === robotgeek curses | ||
| robotgeek | raphink: okay, still not fixed on *lower* resoultion. however, it works for me when it wasn't working for me before | 05:32 |
| raphink | ok | 05:34 |
| robotgeek | raphink: anyways, i think only few ppl will be affected now, we can handle in #kubuntu :) | 05:34 |
| raphink | yep | 05:34 |
| raphink | it's much better | 05:34 |
| robotgeek | yes, much better | 05:35 |
| === raphink is looking forward to the french translation of systemsettings | ||
| raphink | this has been a huge thing in breezy | 05:35 |
| raphink | and it's still not translated in french | 05:35 |
| raphink | which is a major language | 05:35 |
| raphink | + there's a bug that has it show modules in english | 05:35 |
| raphink | instead of french | 05:35 |
| raphink | while the modules are well translated in french in kcontrol | 05:35 |
| robotgeek | oh noes | 05:36 |
| robotgeek | i messed up! i lost all my mail, shit | 05:41 |
| === robotgeek looks frantically for backups | ||
| robotgeek | later, it looks like i am going to have a long night ahead. | 05:43 |
| raphink | huh | 05:49 |
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| Hobbsee | ack! what's this skim thing doing on my desktop, and how to i remove it? | 07:11 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: you may disable it run automatically in it's configure | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | right | 07:18 |
| Hobbsee | and can i stop it starting on boot? | 07:18 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: sure you can | 07:18 |
| Hobbsee | how? | 07:18 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: right click on it's icon in system tray | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 07:19 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: click configure | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | yep... | 07:19 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: click on X11 windows | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | ah, found it D: | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | *:D | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | i'd tried all but that module... | 07:20 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: hehe | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | *shakes her head* | 07:20 |
| freeflying-ibook | then it will not boot up when you log in again | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | i've been coding a fair bit todya - trying to make what should be work, actually work the way it's supposed to | 07:21 |
| Hobbsee | so that was fun | 07:21 |
| Hobbsee | oh goody :) | 07:21 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: actually , skim will not do anything if you haven't scim module installed | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | oh good - it'll just sit there in my system tray, and annoy me, as it looks more like a gtk icon than a kde one :P | 07:23 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: no ,it's a really kde stuff | 07:23 |
| Hobbsee | hmm ok | 07:23 |
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| _Sime | robotgeek: The systemsettings low-res-scroll problem is fixed in SVN. I don't know if the package is updated yet. | 08:07 |
| robotgeek | _Sime: cool. it works for me when it was not working for me before. | 08:08 |
| _Sime | robotgeek: and I've made some progress on the systemsettings i18n problem, but don't have a fix yet. (it's a bit tricky) | 08:08 |
| robotgeek | _Sime: that was mostly raphink's issue, i think. i can only speak english :) | 08:09 |
| _Sime | robotgeek: what version is your systemsettings pakcage? | 08:09 |
| robotgeek | _Sime: lemme check | 08:09 |
| robotgeek | 0.0svn20051207-0ubuntu4 | 08:10 |
| _Sime | mmmm that's old | 08:13 |
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| robotgeek | _Sime: hmm, well it has been fixed atleast for my resolution. however, it foobars when i go to a lower resolution. | 08:14 |
| _Sime | ok | 08:14 |
| mornfall | freeflying-ibook: interesting... is it just locale or some input method? | 08:53 |
| freeflying-ibook | mornfall: it maybe the locales | 08:54 |
| mornfall | i'll try it out | 09:05 |
| mornfall | anything else i need apart from kde locale package? | 09:05 |
| mornfall | zhcn right? | 09:06 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 10:31 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: hey | 10:33 |
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| AgarFu | Hi all | 10:35 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_, freeflying, AgarFu | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | hi freeflying, Riddell | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: working on KubuntuDapperTODO wikipage | 10:37 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: r u on ui sprint now ? | 10:42 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yes | 10:43 |
| freeflying | Riddell: how about the i18n sprint ? | 10:43 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I'm not staying for that | 10:43 |
| Riddell | didn't even know about it until a couple of days ago | 10:43 |
| freeflying | Riddell: due to the visa, can not see u next week , :) | 10:44 |
| Riddell | I heard there were visa problems :( | 10:45 |
| robotgeek | visa issues suck | 10:46 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt have a visa, or a passport - that sucks even more! | ||
| Riddell | no passport?! | 10:47 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: how are you a citizen of au then :) | 10:47 |
| freeflying | no visa | 10:47 |
| Hobbsee | er...i'm already an aussie citizen by birth... | 10:48 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt that mean i dont need a visa for here? | 10:48 |
| Hobbsee | yes, no passport - the old one lapsed about 5 years ago | 10:48 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: u may not need visa for British | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | i need a passport to get into nz - i'll definetly need one to go out of the country | 10:49 |
| === Hobbsee will probably get a new passport sometime after july | ||
| Hobbsee | to britain, that is | 10:53 |
| === Hobbsee is brain dead, clearly | ||
| Riddell | you're coming to britain? | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | no, that was just in reference to freeflying mentioning it | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | like i say, i'm kinda braindead, and should clearly shut up before i go and annoy everyone :P | 10:55 |
| freeflying | I just feel sad can not be | 10:55 |
| Riddell | visas at short notice just don't work in most cases | 10:59 |
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| Riddell | hello tarax | 11:01 |
| tarax | hi yall | 11:02 |
| tarax | hi riddell :) | 11:02 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: can you confirm me that the scalling problem in systemsettings on <800 height resolutions is resolved ? | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I remember _Sime talking about a commited fix | 11:06 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I believe sime has a fix in SVN, I haven't tested it yet though, please do so if you are able | 11:06 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I was thinking if you were able to update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDefaultSettings that would be cool | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will have a look :) | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: Well I'm working on the TODO wiki page, and then will update k-d-s page yes, I just discovered this one ;) | 11:08 |
| tarax | so, morning update of my kubuntu dapper broke my /etc/resolv.conf, even root can't write to it... maybe this is a known problem, but I really don't know how to fix ? | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | tarax: I updated this morning and had no issue | 11:10 |
| tarax | Tonio_: ouch ! | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | tarax: did you try to boot with recovery mode ? | 11:11 |
| tarax | nope | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | tarax: you should ;) | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | then try to delete resolv.conf | 11:12 |
| tarax | indeed ! lol | 11:12 |
| tarax | let's try... | 11:12 |
| tarax | just to be more precise, /etc/resolv.conf seems to be empty and no permissions are set on the file | 11:14 |
| === tarax ls -ln /etc/resolv.conf | grep resolv | ||
| tarax | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /etc/resolv.conf | 11:16 |
| tarax | :O | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | wow.....; | 11:16 |
| tarax | Tonio_: that's exactly what I thought !!! | 11:17 |
| crimsun | looks fine here: | 11:18 |
| crimsun | -rw-r--r-- 1 root dhcp 66 2006-03-10 04:40 /etc/resolv.conf | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: no pb here too | 11:18 |
| crimsun | 05:18:31 up 5:35, | 11:18 |
| tarax | crimsun: this seems more usual ;) | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | tarax: can be a hard drive issue maybe.... | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | tarax: I would personaly try to reboot in recovery mode and make a few tests there :) | 11:19 |
| tarax | Tonio_: hmm I'm afraid | 11:19 |
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| tarax | booted in rescue mode, shell in recovery context, ls -ln /target/etc/ | grep resolv | 11:24 |
| tarax | _no_ resolv.conf ! | 11:24 |
| tarax | only resolv.conf.back and resolv.conf.dhclient-new | 11:25 |
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| tarax | cp /target/etc/resolv.conf.bak /target/etc/resolv.conf | 11:28 |
| tarax | Permission denied | 11:28 |
| === tarax 's laptop is only three weeks old :'( | ||
| sebas | tarax: Did you run a fsck? | 11:31 |
| freeflying | mornfall: ping | 11:31 |
| tarax | sebas: no, good idea... | 11:32 |
| tarax | sebas: nice shot | 11:34 |
| tarax | sebas: 4 corruptions... check_semantic_pass: Name "resolv.conf" points to nowhere !!! | 11:35 |
| tarax | let's go for a --fix-fixable... | 11:36 |
| tarax | done... new check returns no error... rebooting | 11:38 |
| tarax | oooki :D | 11:41 |
| tarax | nice it works again, thanks for your help men | 11:42 |
| sebas | You're welcome | 11:43 |
| tarax | but this makes me worry about my hardware :'( | 11:46 |
| tarax | for the good news, kubuntu dapper build 060305 installed nicely on my hp nx8220 laptop | 11:48 |
| viviersf | how you make apt use a proxy again | 11:49 |
| tarax | just have to find how to "activate" my ipw2200 | 11:49 |
| tarax | sort of hardware lock or something keeps me away from the wireless world | 11:50 |
| mornfall | freeflying: pong | 11:53 |
| === tarax 's leaving, thanks again, was nice to come back on IRC, been a long time, BBS, bests | ||
| freeflying | mornfall: bug 34273 | 12:03 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 34273 in adept "Can not use adept under zh_CN locales" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34273 | 12:03 |
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| Tarax | re | 12:13 |
| Tarax | :) | 12:13 |
| AgarFu | Riddel I'm having some problems, I can't find a get_drives method any where to populate the drive combo at the auto partiton step | 01:00 |
| AgarFu | do you know where it can be? | 01:00 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: I haven't added it | 01:04 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: is it even used by the gtk frontend? | 01:05 |
| AgarFu | yes it is but... | 01:05 |
| AgarFu | with no much sense | 01:05 |
| AgarFu | frontend/gtkui.py: selected_drive = self.__assistant.get_drives () [current] | 01:07 |
| AgarFu | but self.__assistant is not initialized anywhere | 01:08 |
| Riddell | it must be in the glade file then | 01:08 |
| AgarFu | let me see ... | 01:08 |
| AgarFu | nothing happens /usr/share/espresso/glade$ grep -ri assistant * | 01:12 |
| AgarFu | nor grep -ri get_drives * | 01:12 |
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| AgarFu | I've found the method at the guadalinex's old repo | 01:23 |
| AgarFu | the assistant attribute is a instance of peez2, but that is the worst piece of code I've ever seen | 01:25 |
| AgarFu | so I'll try to do an alternate method to find the drives | 01:25 |
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| Riddell | AgarFu: just asked the main espresso dude who says that variable is dead | 01:34 |
| Riddell | on_drives_changed in gtkui.py has a return statement above it | 01:34 |
| Riddell | hello miguev | 01:34 |
| Riddell | hi raphink | 01:34 |
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| miguev | hi :) | 01:36 |
| AgarFu | hi miguev | 01:36 |
| AgarFu | oka Riddell | 01:36 |
| raphink | hi Riddell | 01:37 |
| raphink | :) | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: pv | 01:38 |
| raphink | Tonio_: o a ? | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | bah konversation ;) | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | enfin irc quoi ;) | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | ca va te faire marrer | 01:39 |
| Riddell | if you can't /msg you can just speak french so nobody understands you :) | 01:41 |
| Hobbsee | ugh | 01:41 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 01:41 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: you will understand, I know your french understanding is realy correct ;) | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm trying to package kde-systemsettings with latest svn, but it appears I have an issue with the admin folder | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: too old maybe ? | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | I can't create Makefiles correctly.... | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | and uupdate -u gives an ftbfs package | 01:52 |
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| === Hobbsee doesnt trust uupdate anymore, after it mangled her package badly... | ||
| crimsun | I've not experienced any problems with uupdate | 01:55 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: why use uupdate for svn package ? | 01:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's the error? | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | ridell, let me show you | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: because I wanted to test with a clean deb, simply :) therefore I tried to create a tarball | 01:59 |
| AgarFu | Riddell, what do you think about a complete redesign of kde-ui? | 02:02 |
| AgarFu | I'm getting mad | 02:02 |
| freeflying | AgarFu: redesign kde-ui ? | 02:03 |
| raphink | AgarFu: what exactly do you mean? | 02:03 |
| AgarFu | espresso's kde-ui | 02:03 |
| raphink | aaaaaah ok | 02:04 |
| freeflying | hmm | 02:04 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: to change what? | 02:04 |
| AgarFu | well we can do it more ala Qt | 02:04 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: it's intended to follow gtkui closely, almost all the methods are the same names etc | 02:04 |
| Riddell | although the order is all different | 02:05 |
| AgarFu | because i see too much gtk related things | 02:05 |
| Riddell | that's so it can be kept in sync with gtkui easily | 02:05 |
| === Riddell lunches | ||
| AgarFu | oh my got | 02:05 |
| AgarFu | do you know wath that means? | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | lunch???? | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | crazy... | 02:06 |
| AgarFu | I've to reestructurate my mind to think like a gnome guy | 02:06 |
| AgarFu | that's almost imposible | 02:06 |
| AgarFu | jajaja | 02:06 |
| miguev | 'scuse, but I think *that* maybe not the best way to keep gtk-ui and kde-ui sync | 02:06 |
| miguev | 'scuse, but I think *that* maybe not be the best way to keep gtk-ui and kde-ui sync (sorry) | 02:07 |
| miguev | I'd be better if we write down the specs and follow them afterwards, each dev team (gtk/qt) thinking on their own way | 02:07 |
| miguev | I'd like to hear some opinions from you :) | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/594320 | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: here is the end of the buildlog (using pbuilder of course) | 02:12 |
| AgarFu | we need a modular installer, using Qt we can put a class that inherit QWidget at /components wich implements the ok and cancel handlers and a config file to select what components we want to see | 02:14 |
| AgarFu | the core shoudn't be more than a few lines, all the functionality will be localized at their own files and will be easyer to debug and develop new components to the installer | 02:16 |
| === Hobbsee beds | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: nite ;) | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | night Tonio_ :) | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | ooh crud! | 02:16 |
| AgarFu | night | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | now, i intended to tell you something... | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | oh yes | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm...it may not be your domain | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | but in the skim, there's an option for a quit button to be there or not - i would have thought we wanted the quit button there | 02:17 |
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| Hobbsee | and preferably not start it by default for the people who dont use skim, but i vagely remember seeing a massive discussion on this yesterday...which i'm not sure what the result was | 02:17 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: I'd patch skim for not run automatically when you boot | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | that'd be good | 02:18 |
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| Mez | Riddell, ping | 02:41 |
| AgarFu | Riddell we are making a new design because I can't think like a gnome guy and I'm getting more and more nervous with the actual code, I think that I can have the same functionality plus some more in a while, after that you could choose | 02:52 |
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| Riddell | Mez: pong | 03:10 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: hmm, ok | 03:11 |
| Mez | Riddell, check email | 03:11 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: buildlog for what? | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: systemsettings ;) | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was looking at kdbus, we have a completly outdated version actually, may I update the package and ask for UVF exception ? | 03:15 |
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| Riddell | hmm, I wonder if that build error is to do with my kdesu changes where any kde program run as root sets $HOME to /root | 03:16 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that's because we packaged it just after the guy first wrote it, and I had to make a bunch of fixes just for it to work right | 03:17 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: so go ahead | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay ;) | 03:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: for systemsettings, maybe I did something crappy when I did the tarball from svn | 03:21 |
| Mez | Riddell, if you'd upload that minor change for me it'd be appreciated | 03:22 |
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| Riddell | Mez: done | 03:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: do a fresh checkout and see if it works? | 03:29 |
| Mez | cheers | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looking | 03:32 |
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| jjesse | Riddell: do i need to mention skim enabled by default in releease notes (whatever skim is :) ) | 04:13 |
| Riddell | jjesse: skim adds good CKJ support, you should say it's included by default, we'll have to look at how/when it's enabled | 04:13 |
| jjesse | ok i'll get that updated today | 04:14 |
| Riddell | jjesse: we should have a section in the release notes to say thanks to all the cool new developers we've got for dapper | 04:15 |
| jjesse | Riddell: ok any one in particular you want named or should i just say big thanks to all the new devedlopers or something like that | 04:15 |
| Riddell | name them all! | 04:15 |
| jjesse | :) | 04:15 |
| Riddell | you, robotgeek, kwwii, mornfall, raphink, hobssee, Tonio_, _Sime, sebas, seaLne, everyone! | 04:16 |
| Riddell | freeflying of course | 04:16 |
| freeflying | jjesse: anything about skim , I can tell you | 04:16 |
| Riddell | oh, allee | 04:16 |
| Riddell | JRe | 04:16 |
| Riddell | we have so many cool people now I can't even remebe them all | 04:17 |
| jjesse | that is an awesome problem to have :) | 04:17 |
| Riddell | amu as our german promo dude | 04:17 |
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| Riddell | ah, Mez too | 04:19 |
| Mez | what about me ? | 04:20 |
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| jjesse | how do i undo whatever has been done to kate so i can't open multiple instances of it | 04:21 |
| Mez | Riddell, huh? | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: tvo also | 04:22 |
| raphink | Mez: Riddell is listing the kubuntu devs for a thanks part in a doc :) | 04:23 |
| Mez | raphink: ah | 04:23 |
| freeflying | Riddell: also partric | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick yes | 04:23 |
| Mez | https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team ?? | 04:23 |
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| Mez | how about seth? | 04:24 |
| jjesse | how bout just a big thanks to all the new awesome developers on the Kubuntu Team and link kubuntu team to https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team ? | 04:24 |
| Riddell | that's a bit vauge, I like the idea of everyone being in | 04:25 |
| Riddell | but the list would be quite long | 04:25 |
| Riddell | and if we missed anyone out then we'd be in trouble! | 04:25 |
| jjesse | that's what i was thinking | 04:26 |
| jjesse | Tonio_: did you make any changes to kate in the default settings so i cannot open multiple copies of kate ? | 04:29 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: euh... do you want to open multiple copies or do you want monosession mode ? | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: kate is actually in monosession mode | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | that's a change I've done yes | 04:31 |
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| jjesse | for example i;m working on redoing the adept guide that's in svn, so i would like to have a window of the orginaial open and a window of the one i'm working on | 04:35 |
| jjesse | so i would assume i would want multiple copies of kate | 04:35 |
| Riddell | jjesse: kwrite :) | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: in fact, we have a problem with version of kate | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | you cannot use it like before, and we have to choose betwenn "every opening opens a new kate" and "everything opens in the same kate" | 04:38 |
| jjesse | bummer | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | we decided to use the second option, because even if not perfect, seems to be prefered by most users | 04:38 |
| jjesse | can i change it on my system? | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: yes, edit the Kmenu | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | kate entry, and remove "--use" in kate's opening command | 04:39 |
| jjesse | will my change be overwritten each time i update? | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | nope | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | cause this will create a kde-kate.desktop entry in your profile | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | and the profile is prior to k-d-s | 04:40 |
| jjesse | ah | 04:40 |
| jjesse | should that be mentioned in any doc? | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | the order is "profile" > "k-d-s" > "/usr/share" | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | in that order | 04:40 |
| jjesse | cool i learned something today :) | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: could be eventually yes | 04:41 |
| Riddell | if you want multiple windows use kwrite | 04:41 |
| jjesse | is kwrite installed by default? | 04:41 |
| Riddell | but it should just be a config option in kate | 04:41 |
| Riddell | yes, but the .desktop file is not displayed | 04:41 |
| Riddell | kwrite literally just is kate but with 1 window per doc | 04:42 |
| Riddell | it's stupid, it should be a kate config option | 04:42 |
| jjesse | oh, 2 things i learned today | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: totally agree | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: old kate was perfectly dealing with.......; | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: one more crappy new feature, same than system:/ | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I tested the filters for adblock and they don't work as nicelly as mine | 04:43 |
| jjesse | Tonio_: is there a list of changes to default settings that i need to mention in release notes? | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and I don't want to use work of people who think they are "too advanced to use kubuntu" (his words...) | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | jjesse: I need to update the k-d-s wiki page | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | will doo this WE | 04:44 |
| jjesse | cool, i will update the release notes to follow | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | you can eventually read the source package changelog and decide what should be documented | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | I added lots of details in it | 04:45 |
| jjesse | ok | 04:45 |
| Mez | Riddell: where did you say we can get the NM for KDE stuff from? | 04:45 |
| Riddell | Mez: NM? | 04:46 |
| Mez | Network-Manager | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: opensuse svn maybe ? | 04:47 |
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| Mez | 0.6.0 is out | 04:47 |
| Riddell | opensuse factory | 04:48 |
| Riddell | source rpm | 04:48 |
| Riddell | it might also be on forge.novell.com by now | 04:48 |
| Tm_T | hmm, how that pbuilder is used? | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdbus upstream did really bad things with inclusions... | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: already 20 files patched, cause .h files path are incorrect | 04:48 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yeah, I think he just tests it on his local compile of KDE | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: certainly yes...... | 04:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's incorrect? | 04:49 |
| Riddell | is it a badly set include path? | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | but I think actually that may not work also locally :) | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is inclusion of included in the tarball files | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | and relative path is invalid | 04:50 |
| Riddell | oh, builddir != sourcedir issues? | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | then I don't understand how can that compile, even locally | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nope | 04:50 |
| Riddell | spooky | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | it is like if he moved a folder before making the tarball | 04:51 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I'm about to start building Kopete 0.12 beta1 packages | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | all inclusions calling that folder are false | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | so I have to patch all sources...... painfull...... | 04:51 |
| Riddell | jjesse: put Tm_T on the list too : | 04:52 |
| Riddell | :) | 04:52 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: hitlist? | 04:52 |
| Tm_T | .... | 04:52 |
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| jjesse | relasenotes thanking everyone :) | 04:52 |
| Tm_T | aah | 04:52 |
| Tm_T | phew | 04:52 |
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| Tm_T | d | 04:52 |
| Tm_T | whatever | 04:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: patching over, it builds correctly, I'm asking for yvfe | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | uvfe | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what about ksplash and moodin finally ? | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | we should care about that before 20/04 ;) | 04:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hmm? what about them? | 04:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: oh, the dialogue stuff | 04:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I changed it in the source code, should be uploaded and compiled | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the dialog, statching issues, utf8 bugs etc...... | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you managed to autodetect resolution ? | 04:57 |
| Riddell | my new kubuntu-default-settings doesn't display username, so no utf8 issue | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | that could be usefull if we provide enough backgrounds correctly named | 04:58 |
| Riddell | just needs 1 background, scaled. same as kdesktop | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no problem if it is stretched for you ? | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm thinking about people using wxga resolutions | 05:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: if what? | 05:05 |
| Riddell | what dos wxga mean in actual numbers? | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if people are using 1280x800 for example | 05:05 |
| Riddell | it's the same problem as we have for the background image in general, it's not a new problem | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, but I don't mind the "background" especially | 05:06 |
| Riddell | and there's not a way for KDE to go "oh, this is a widescreen monitor, I should use the wide image" | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the problem is that the white square is stretched too, whichmakes it quite ugly | 05:06 |
| Riddell | the white square ist streched, that's what I changed | 05:06 |
| Riddell | it's separate from the background now | 05:06 |
| Riddell | same for the icons | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ahhhhhhhhhhhh | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | fantstic | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I though you just patched the text issues | 05:07 |
| Riddell | no | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you rock :) | 05:07 |
| Riddell | true :) | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ^_^ | 05:08 |
| jjesse | and humble as well :) | 05:08 |
| Riddell | actually I'm not sure if I got the spacing calculations right on the icons, that needs to be tested on a monitor that isn't mine | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: where can I download the ksplash theme ? | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | I have a wxga screen, that has the issue, so that could be a good test | 05:11 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: should be mostly good just by installing the latest moodin build | 05:12 |
| Riddell | although it probably needs that Dialog image | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't need to change anything to the current used ksplash theme ? | 05:12 |
| Riddell | I'll upload my new kubuntu-default-settings once Mark here has looked it over in a bit | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, I'll let you know | 05:13 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: about dependencies of Kopete, is dependency to xmms crucial? | 05:38 |
| Tm_T | SK has dependency to it too | 05:38 |
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| jeroenvrp | mdadm | 05:39 |
| jeroenvrp | do I really need that, when I don't have RAID? | 05:39 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: there should be a patch to make it dynamically loadable in kdenetwork | 05:39 |
| Riddell | jeroenvrp: no | 05:40 |
| jeroenvrp | OK | 05:40 |
| Riddell | jjesse: add nlindblad to the list too | 05:40 |
| nlindblad | hu? | 05:40 |
| jeroenvrp | Riddell: I think this a small problem, that a lot of things are loaded, that are not needed on a normal desktop | 05:40 |
| jjesse | Riddell: are all the members of the lp group for kubuntu people i should include | 05:40 |
| jeroenvrp | like laptoputils, bluetoothutils, raid, etc | 05:40 |
| Riddell | jeroenvrp: loaded where? | 05:41 |
| jeroenvrp | Riddell: installed | 05:41 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I'm not following | 05:41 |
| Riddell | jeroenvrp: yes, that'll happen | 05:41 |
| jeroenvrp | and some loading during bootup, allthough they won' work, but it etas a little bit of bootup time | 05:42 |
| jeroenvrp | maybe it would be great idea, to have a few system-defaults when installing | 05:42 |
| jeroenvrp | like: laptop or desktop | 05:42 |
| jeroenvrp | just an idea | 05:43 |
| jeroenvrp | the same problem with other distros | 05:43 |
| nlindblad | jeroenvrp: you mean RAID-utils, bluetooth and LVM starting even though you don't have them? | 05:43 |
| jeroenvrp | nlindblad: yes | 05:44 |
| nlindblad | I see | 05:44 |
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| jeroenvrp | like LVM, do I need that!? | 05:44 |
| nlindblad | not if you don't use LVM (obviously) | 05:44 |
| jeroenvrp | I have 2 normal harddrives, thats all- like almost everyone | 05:44 |
| nlindblad | jeroenvrp: would be better to let the installera identify things like that | 05:44 |
| nlindblad | *installer | 05:44 |
| jeroenvrp | nlindblad: yes | 05:44 |
| jeroenvrp | but it installed all those things | 05:45 |
| jeroenvrp | the problem with ununstalling lvm and mdadm is that thal and the kernel depends on it | 05:46 |
| nlindblad | the kernel packages? | 05:46 |
| jeroenvrp | nlindblad: yes | 05:47 |
| nlindblad | oh | 05:47 |
| nlindblad | well, IMO, the installer should be able to determine which of those packages that are necessary | 05:47 |
| jeroenvrp | another problem is that I uninstalled lm-sensors and still tries to launch it during boottime | 05:48 |
| nlindblad | apt won't remove it from the runlevels? | 05:49 |
| jeroenvrp | and lm-sensors is still in /etc/init.d | 05:49 |
| jeroenvrp | nlindblad: it looks like it, yes | 05:49 |
| nlindblad | any reason why apt won't do that? | 05:50 |
| jeroenvrp | nlindblad: no | 05:51 |
| nlindblad | seems pretty stupid | 05:51 |
| jeroenvrp | I unistalled the packages, incl the config, so that could not be the problem | 05:51 |
| nlindblad | would break most systems | 05:51 |
| jeroenvrp | nlindblad: what you mean | 05:52 |
| nlindblad | if a user removes a package and it's not removed from the runlevel | 05:52 |
| jeroenvrp | its just a normal way of doing thins in Synaptic | 05:52 |
| jeroenvrp | ok | 05:52 |
| jeroenvrp | nlindblad: but not will all packages, I noticed | 05:53 |
| jeroenvrp | so maybe its a package problem | 05:53 |
| jeroenvrp | anyhow, I remove it manually | 05:53 |
| nlindblad | okey, but if it's something for a few specific packages it's worth looking into | 05:55 |
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| Riddell | Tm_T: kdenetwork I seem to mind has a patch which makes xmms dynamically loadable in kopete so you don't have to depend on xmms | 06:09 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: ok, but problem is, I'm not sure how I remove the dependency | 06:10 |
| Tm_T | hmm, I'll try one thing | 06:10 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I've had a play (again) with systemsettings -> http://www.simonzone.com/software/ss.png | 07:01 |
| _Sime | Riddell: want me to commit this? | 07:01 |
| Riddell | _Sime: mm, beautiful | 07:04 |
| Riddell | please do | 07:04 |
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| _Sime | it takes up much less vertical space too. | 07:06 |
| _Sime | Riddell: done. | 07:11 |
| Riddell | _Sime: have you seen icefox's screenshots of the kde 4 system settings? | 07:12 |
| Riddell | I can't remember where they are now | 07:12 |
| _Sime | no | 07:13 |
| Riddell | he has them in vertical lists with the text by the side | 07:14 |
| _Sime | can you find the mockup? | 07:17 |
| Tm_T | ok, Kopete 0.12 beta1 for dapper packaged | 07:18 |
| _Sime | Riddell: oh, and is vertical better than what we now have in sys-settings? | 07:19 |
| Riddell | _Sime: dunno, I'd need to find the screen shots again to remind myself | 07:22 |
| Tm_T | someone who like to test Kopete package? | 07:26 |
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| hunger | Where is tpb started? | 07:45 |
| hunger | It has an OSD which kind of conflicts with milo:-(( | 07:46 |
| hunger | Ah, found it: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90tpb. | 07:48 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: ok, looks like package for dapper works just fine | 08:01 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: interested? | 08:02 |
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| Tm_T | anyway: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/ | 08:17 |
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| Tonio_ | re | 09:04 |
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| Flosoft | hey | 09:12 |
| Flosoft | why does kded crash on login? | 09:12 |
| Flosoft | is there a bugfix for Dapper? | 09:12 |
| Flosoft | because nearly all applications like Konqueror don't start afterwards ... and sometimes I can't login ... if I already logged in before ... without restarting the PC ... | 09:14 |
| Flosoft | anyone? | 09:19 |
| Flosoft | hello? | 09:23 |
| incinerator | Flosoft, try #kubuntu, kubuntuforums.net, https://launchpad.net/malone | 09:28 |
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| Tm_T | none of that been reported | 09:33 |
| jjesse | hmmm 6 week delay? intersteing | 09:43 |
| robotgeek | +1 jjesse | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | jjesse: delay of what? | 10:21 |
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| jjesse | Tm_T: did you read mark's email? | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | hmm, k-devs list? | 10:53 |
| jjesse | umm he sent it out to a ton of lists | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | ah, have to check mail then ;) | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | thanks | 10:54 |
| jjesse | ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-docs, artwork, fridge | 10:54 |
| jjesse | i can forward it to kubuntu-devel ?? | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | if you ask from me, yes | 10:55 |
| Tm_T | maybe I should read ubuntu-devel too | 10:56 |
| Tm_T | and artwork | 10:56 |
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