[01:03] amu: ping [01:10] mornfall: no paticular deadline, just whenever you can [01:12] mornfall: adept can works after I change the locales to en_US === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [n=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === caleb_ [n=caleb@toronto-HSE-ppp4231126.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:13] robotgeek: I thought this had actually been fixed lately [05:13] raphink: hmm, nope.i still have problem on my ibook [05:14] hmm ok [05:14] when did you upgrade? [05:14] raphink: as in apt-get dist-upgrade? today evening [05:14] I'm pretty sure I remember someone had made systemsettings use a bar to go up and down when this happens [05:15] i had to use alt+ drag [05:15] raphink: does it matter if i used my breezy .kde? [05:16] I don't know [05:16] test it ;) [05:16] just mv it to .kde2 [05:16] and see if it works ;) === robotgeek is worried for his mail, lol [05:17] huh? [05:17] why? [05:17] There's absolutely no risk [05:18] you just move your .kde to .kde2 [05:18] do your test [05:18] then move .kde2 back to .kde [05:18] oh well, i have to move to .kde3 [05:18] and you get your settings back [05:18] your mail are put in ~/Mail anyway [05:18] ;) [05:18] they are not in .kde [05:18] if you use kmail that is === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:19] hi freeflying [05:19] raphink: hi [05:21] raphink: my bad, i think it has been fixed [05:22] robotgeek: I think is has, yes :) [05:22] oh no, my shortcuts! [05:22] robotgeek: do you get a scrolling bar now? [05:22] raphink: it acutally resizes quote nicely and fits in the screen [05:22] robotgeek: you'll get your shortcuts back with your .kde [05:22] ;) === raphink is very tired [05:23] robotgeek: great [05:23] raphink: thanks for all the help [05:23] quite a lot of things have been fixed lately [05:23] :) [05:23] thankfully [05:23] so we have a hope of having dapper stable and smooth [05:23] raphink: yes, i will mark it as closed then [05:24] thanks [05:24] put "fix released" [05:24] don't remember who fixed it. I think it's _Sime [05:25] it was assigned to Ridell [05:25] mhm [05:25] doesn't mean Riddell fixed it ;) [05:25] if he had to fix all the bugs assigned to him, that would be a lot [05:26] okay, i'll just put it in as _Sime [05:26] no [05:26] doesn't matter [05:26] since it's fixed [05:26] just put that the fix has been released [05:26] if you want to know how fixed it, check the changelogs for kde-guidance [05:26] raphink: i'll try at lower resoultion and then mark it [05:27] ok :)= [05:28] robotgeek: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kde-guidance/kde-guidance_0.6.2-0ubuntu1/changelog [05:28] look at this [05:29] raphink: not fixed, unfortunately [05:29] ok [05:29] you didn't put your .kde back before testing? === robotgeek curses [05:32] raphink: okay, still not fixed on *lower* resoultion. however, it works for me when it wasn't working for me before [05:34] ok [05:34] raphink: anyways, i think only few ppl will be affected now, we can handle in #kubuntu :) [05:34] yep [05:34] it's much better [05:35] yes, much better === raphink is looking forward to the french translation of systemsettings [05:35] this has been a huge thing in breezy [05:35] and it's still not translated in french [05:35] which is a major language [05:35] + there's a bug that has it show modules in english [05:35] instead of french [05:35] while the modules are well translated in french in kcontrol [05:36] oh noes [05:41] i messed up! i lost all my mail, shit === robotgeek looks frantically for backups [05:43] later, it looks like i am going to have a long night ahead. [05:49] huh === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-170.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:11] ack! what's this skim thing doing on my desktop, and how to i remove it? [07:17] Hobbsee: you may disable it run automatically in it's configure [07:18] right [07:18] and can i stop it starting on boot? [07:18] Hobbsee: sure you can [07:18] how? [07:19] Hobbsee: right click on it's icon in system tray [07:19] yep [07:19] Hobbsee: click configure [07:19] yep... [07:20] Hobbsee: click on X11 windows [07:20] ah, found it D: [07:20] *:D [07:20] i'd tried all but that module... [07:20] Hobbsee: hehe [07:20] *shakes her head* [07:20] then it will not boot up when you log in again [07:21] i've been coding a fair bit todya - trying to make what should be work, actually work the way it's supposed to [07:21] so that was fun [07:21] oh goody :) [07:22] Hobbsee: actually , skim will not do anything if you haven't scim module installed [07:23] oh good - it'll just sit there in my system tray, and annoy me, as it looks more like a gtk icon than a kde one :P [07:23] Hobbsee: no ,it's a really kde stuff [07:23] hmm ok === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [08:07] <_Sime> robotgeek: The systemsettings low-res-scroll problem is fixed in SVN. I don't know if the package is updated yet. [08:08] _Sime: cool. it works for me when it was not working for me before. [08:08] <_Sime> robotgeek: and I've made some progress on the systemsettings i18n problem, but don't have a fix yet. (it's a bit tricky) [08:09] _Sime: that was mostly raphink's issue, i think. i can only speak english :) [08:09] <_Sime> robotgeek: what version is your systemsettings pakcage? [08:09] _Sime: lemme check [08:10] 0.0svn20051207-0ubuntu4 [08:13] <_Sime> mmmm that's old === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:14] _Sime: hmm, well it has been fixed atleast for my resolution. however, it foobars when i go to a lower resolution. [08:14] <_Sime> ok [08:53] freeflying-ibook: interesting... is it just locale or some input method? [08:54] mornfall: it maybe the locales [09:05] i'll try it out [09:05] anything else i need apart from kde locale package? [09:06] zhcn right? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee searches for what she needs to put in a UVF exception thingo... === klugez_ is now known as klugez === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] hi [10:33] Tonio_: hey === AgarFu [n=root@199.Red-213-97-22.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] Hi all [10:36] hi Tonio_, freeflying, AgarFu [10:37] hi freeflying, Riddell [10:37] Riddell: working on KubuntuDapperTODO wikipage === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:42] Riddell: r u on ui sprint now ? [10:43] freeflying: yes [10:43] Riddell: how about the i18n sprint ? [10:43] freeflying: I'm not staying for that [10:43] didn't even know about it until a couple of days ago [10:44] Riddell: due to the visa, can not see u next week , :) [10:45] I heard there were visa problems :( [10:46] visa issues suck === Hobbsee doesnt have a visa, or a passport - that sucks even more! [10:47] no passport?! [10:47] Hobbsee: how are you a citizen of au then :) [10:47] no visa [10:48] er...i'm already an aussie citizen by birth... [10:48] doesnt that mean i dont need a visa for here? [10:48] yes, no passport - the old one lapsed about 5 years ago [10:49] Hobbsee: u may not need visa for British [10:49] i need a passport to get into nz - i'll definetly need one to go out of the country === Hobbsee will probably get a new passport sometime after july [10:53] to britain, that is === Hobbsee is brain dead, clearly [10:54] you're coming to britain? [10:55] no, that was just in reference to freeflying mentioning it [10:55] like i say, i'm kinda braindead, and should clearly shut up before i go and annoy everyone :P [10:55] I just feel sad can not be [10:59] visas at short notice just don't work in most cases === tarax [n=tarax@81.56.249.19] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:01] hello tarax [11:02] hi yall [11:02] hi riddell :) === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:06] Riddell: can you confirm me that the scalling problem in systemsettings on <800 height resolutions is resolved ? [11:06] Riddell: I remember _Sime talking about a commited fix [11:06] Tonio_: I believe sime has a fix in SVN, I haven't tested it yet though, please do so if you are able [11:07] Tonio_: I was thinking if you were able to update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDefaultSettings that would be cool [11:08] Riddell: I will have a look :) [11:08] Riddell: Well I'm working on the TODO wiki page, and then will update k-d-s page yes, I just discovered this one ;) [11:09] so, morning update of my kubuntu dapper broke my /etc/resolv.conf, even root can't write to it... maybe this is a known problem, but I really don't know how to fix ? [11:10] tarax: I updated this morning and had no issue [11:11] Tonio_: ouch ! [11:11] tarax: did you try to boot with recovery mode ? [11:12] nope [11:12] tarax: you should ;) [11:12] then try to delete resolv.conf [11:12] indeed ! lol [11:12] let's try... [11:14] just to be more precise, /etc/resolv.conf seems to be empty and no permissions are set on the file === tarax ls -ln /etc/resolv.conf | grep resolv [11:16] ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /etc/resolv.conf [11:16] :O [11:16] wow.....; [11:17] Tonio_: that's exactly what I thought !!! [11:18] looks fine here: [11:18] -rw-r--r-- 1 root dhcp 66 2006-03-10 04:40 /etc/resolv.conf [11:18] crimsun: no pb here too [11:18] 05:18:31 up 5:35, [11:18] crimsun: this seems more usual ;) [11:18] tarax: can be a hard drive issue maybe.... [11:19] tarax: I would personaly try to reboot in recovery mode and make a few tests there :) [11:19] Tonio_: hmm I'm afraid === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:24] booted in rescue mode, shell in recovery context, ls -ln /target/etc/ | grep resolv [11:24] _no_ resolv.conf ! [11:25] only resolv.conf.back and resolv.conf.dhclient-new === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.113] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:28] cp /target/etc/resolv.conf.bak /target/etc/resolv.conf [11:28] Permission denied === tarax 's laptop is only three weeks old :'( [11:31] tarax: Did you run a fsck? [11:31] mornfall: ping [11:32] sebas: no, good idea... [11:34] sebas: nice shot [11:35] sebas: 4 corruptions... check_semantic_pass: Name "resolv.conf" points to nowhere !!! [11:36] let's go for a --fix-fixable... [11:38] done... new check returns no error... rebooting [11:41] oooki :D [11:42] nice it works again, thanks for your help men [11:43] You're welcome [11:46] but this makes me worry about my hardware :'( [11:48] for the good news, kubuntu dapper build 060305 installed nicely on my hp nx8220 laptop [11:49] how you make apt use a proxy again [11:49] just have to find how to "activate" my ipw2200 [11:50] sort of hardware lock or something keeps me away from the wireless world [11:53] freeflying: pong === tarax 's leaving, thanks again, was nice to come back on IRC, been a long time, BBS, bests [12:03] mornfall: bug 34273 [12:03] malone bug 34273 in adept "Can not use adept under zh_CN locales" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34273 === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tarax [n=tarax@81.56.249.19] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:13] re [12:13] :) [01:00] Riddel I'm having some problems, I can't find a get_drives method any where to populate the drive combo at the auto partiton step [01:00] do you know where it can be? [01:04] AgarFu: I haven't added it [01:05] AgarFu: is it even used by the gtk frontend? [01:05] yes it is but... [01:05] with no much sense [01:07] frontend/gtkui.py: selected_drive = self.__assistant.get_drives () [current] [01:08] but self.__assistant is not initialized anywhere [01:08] it must be in the glade file then [01:08] let me see ... [01:12] nothing happens /usr/share/espresso/glade$ grep -ri assistant * [01:12] nor grep -ri get_drives * === AgarFu [n=root@199.Red-213-97-22.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:23] I've found the method at the guadalinex's old repo [01:25] the assistant attribute is a instance of peez2, but that is the worst piece of code I've ever seen [01:25] so I'll try to do an alternate method to find the drives === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === miguev [i=miguev@bundy.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:34] AgarFu: just asked the main espresso dude who says that variable is dead [01:34] on_drives_changed in gtkui.py has a return statement above it [01:34] hello miguev [01:34] hi raphink === miguev [i=miguev@bundy.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] hi :) [01:36] hi miguev [01:36] oka Riddell [01:37] hi Riddell [01:37] :) [01:38] raphink: pv [01:39] Tonio_: o a ? [01:39] bah konversation ;) [01:39] enfin irc quoi ;) [01:39] ca va te faire marrer [01:41] if you can't /msg you can just speak french so nobody understands you :) [01:41] ugh [01:41] :P === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:50] Riddell: you will understand, I know your french understanding is realy correct ;) [01:51] Riddell: I'm trying to package kde-systemsettings with latest svn, but it appears I have an issue with the admin folder [01:51] Riddell: too old maybe ? [01:51] I can't create Makefiles correctly.... [01:52] and uupdate -u gives an ftbfs package === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee doesnt trust uupdate anymore, after it mangled her package badly... [01:55] I've not experienced any problems with uupdate [01:55] Tonio_: why use uupdate for svn package ? [01:58] Tonio_: what's the error? [01:58] ridell, let me show you [01:59] freeflying: because I wanted to test with a clean deb, simply :) therefore I tried to create a tarball [02:02] Riddell, what do you think about a complete redesign of kde-ui? [02:02] I'm getting mad [02:03] AgarFu: redesign kde-ui ? [02:03] AgarFu: what exactly do you mean? [02:03] espresso's kde-ui [02:04] aaaaaah ok [02:04] hmm [02:04] AgarFu: to change what? [02:04] well we can do it more ala Qt [02:04] AgarFu: it's intended to follow gtkui closely, almost all the methods are the same names etc [02:05] although the order is all different [02:05] because i see too much gtk related things [02:05] that's so it can be kept in sync with gtkui easily === Riddell lunches [02:05] oh my got [02:05] do you know wath that means? [02:06] lunch???? [02:06] crazy... [02:06] I've to reestructurate my mind to think like a gnome guy [02:06] that's almost imposible [02:06] jajaja [02:06] 'scuse, but I think *that* maybe not the best way to keep gtk-ui and kde-ui sync [02:07] 'scuse, but I think *that* maybe not be the best way to keep gtk-ui and kde-ui sync (sorry) [02:07] I'd be better if we write down the specs and follow them afterwards, each dev team (gtk/qt) thinking on their own way [02:10] I'd like to hear some opinions from you :) [02:11] Riddell: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/594320 [02:12] Riddell: here is the end of the buildlog (using pbuilder of course) [02:14] we need a modular installer, using Qt we can put a class that inherit QWidget at /components wich implements the ok and cancel handlers and a config file to select what components we want to see [02:16] the core shoudn't be more than a few lines, all the functionality will be localized at their own files and will be easyer to debug and develop new components to the installer === Hobbsee beds [02:16] Hobbsee: nite ;) [02:16] night Tonio_ :) [02:16] ooh crud! [02:16] night [02:16] now, i intended to tell you something... [02:16] oh yes [02:16] hmmm...it may not be your domain [02:17] but in the skim, there's an option for a quit button to be there or not - i would have thought we wanted the quit button there === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] and preferably not start it by default for the people who dont use skim, but i vagely remember seeing a massive discussion on this yesterday...which i'm not sure what the result was [02:17] Hobbsee: I'd patch skim for not run automatically when you boot [02:18] that'd be good === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] Riddell, ping [02:52] Riddell we are making a new design because I can't think like a gnome guy and I'm getting more and more nervous with the actual code, I think that I can have the same functionality plus some more in a while, after that you could choose === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] Mez: pong [03:11] AgarFu: hmm, ok [03:11] Riddell, check email [03:12] Tonio_: buildlog for what? [03:14] Riddell: systemsettings ;) [03:15] Riddell: I was looking at kdbus, we have a completly outdated version actually, may I update the package and ask for UVF exception ? === faked [n=faked@83-65-237-143.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:16] hmm, I wonder if that build error is to do with my kdesu changes where any kde program run as root sets $HOME to /root [03:17] Tonio_: that's because we packaged it just after the guy first wrote it, and I had to make a bunch of fixes just for it to work right [03:17] Tonio_: so go ahead [03:20] Riddell: okay ;) [03:21] Riddell: for systemsettings, maybe I did something crappy when I did the tarball from svn [03:22] Riddell, if you'd upload that minor change for me it'd be appreciated === hunger [n=tobias@p54A60203.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] Mez: done [03:29] Tonio_: do a fresh checkout and see if it works? [03:29] cheers [03:32] Riddell: looking === ubijtsa_ [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:13] Riddell: do i need to mention skim enabled by default in releease notes (whatever skim is :) ) [04:13] jjesse: skim adds good CKJ support, you should say it's included by default, we'll have to look at how/when it's enabled [04:14] ok i'll get that updated today [04:15] jjesse: we should have a section in the release notes to say thanks to all the cool new developers we've got for dapper [04:15] Riddell: ok any one in particular you want named or should i just say big thanks to all the new devedlopers or something like that [04:15] name them all! [04:15] :) [04:16] you, robotgeek, kwwii, mornfall, raphink, hobssee, Tonio_, _Sime, sebas, seaLne, everyone! [04:16] freeflying of course [04:16] jjesse: anything about skim , I can tell you [04:16] oh, allee [04:16] JRe [04:17] we have so many cool people now I can't even remebe them all [04:17] that is an awesome problem to have :) [04:17] amu as our german promo dude === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:19] ah, Mez too [04:20] what about me ? === Mez isnt a fan of ubuntulooks [04:21] how do i undo whatever has been done to kate so i can't open multiple instances of it [04:21] Riddell, huh? [04:22] Riddell: tvo also [04:23] Mez: Riddell is listing the kubuntu devs for a thanks part in a doc :) [04:23] raphink: ah [04:23] Riddell: also partric [04:23] jpatrick yes [04:23] https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team ?? === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0747.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:24] how about seth? [04:24] how bout just a big thanks to all the new awesome developers on the Kubuntu Team and link kubuntu team to https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team ? [04:25] that's a bit vauge, I like the idea of everyone being in [04:25] but the list would be quite long [04:25] and if we missed anyone out then we'd be in trouble! [04:26] that's what i was thinking [04:29] Tonio_: did you make any changes to kate in the default settings so i cannot open multiple copies of kate ? [04:31] jjesse: euh... do you want to open multiple copies or do you want monosession mode ? [04:31] jjesse: kate is actually in monosession mode [04:31] that's a change I've done yes === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying time beds , nite all [04:35] for example i;m working on redoing the adept guide that's in svn, so i would like to have a window of the orginaial open and a window of the one i'm working on [04:35] so i would assume i would want multiple copies of kate [04:37] jjesse: kwrite :) [04:37] jjesse: in fact, we have a problem with version of kate [04:38] you cannot use it like before, and we have to choose betwenn "every opening opens a new kate" and "everything opens in the same kate" [04:38] bummer [04:38] we decided to use the second option, because even if not perfect, seems to be prefered by most users [04:38] can i change it on my system? [04:39] jjesse: yes, edit the Kmenu [04:39] kate entry, and remove "--use" in kate's opening command [04:39] will my change be overwritten each time i update? [04:40] nope [04:40] cause this will create a kde-kate.desktop entry in your profile [04:40] and the profile is prior to k-d-s [04:40] ah [04:40] should that be mentioned in any doc? [04:40] the order is "profile" > "k-d-s" > "/usr/share" [04:40] in that order [04:41] cool i learned something today :) [04:41] jjesse: could be eventually yes [04:41] if you want multiple windows use kwrite [04:41] is kwrite installed by default? [04:41] but it should just be a config option in kate [04:41] yes, but the .desktop file is not displayed [04:42] kwrite literally just is kate but with 1 window per doc [04:42] it's stupid, it should be a kate config option [04:42] oh, 2 things i learned today [04:42] Riddell: totally agree [04:42] Riddell: old kate was perfectly dealing with.......; [04:43] Riddell: one more crappy new feature, same than system:/ [04:43] Riddell: I tested the filters for adblock and they don't work as nicelly as mine [04:43] Tonio_: is there a list of changes to default settings that i need to mention in release notes? [04:44] Riddell: and I don't want to use work of people who think they are "too advanced to use kubuntu" (his words...) [04:44] jjesse: I need to update the k-d-s wiki page [04:44] will doo this WE [04:44] cool, i will update the release notes to follow [04:44] you can eventually read the source package changelog and decide what should be documented [04:45] I added lots of details in it [04:45] ok [04:45] Riddell: where did you say we can get the NM for KDE stuff from? [04:46] Mez: NM? [04:47] Network-Manager [04:47] Mez: opensuse svn maybe ? === Mez grabs a copy of latest N-M [04:47] 0.6.0 is out [04:48] opensuse factory [04:48] source rpm [04:48] it might also be on forge.novell.com by now [04:48] hmm, how that pbuilder is used? [04:48] Riddell: kdbus upstream did really bad things with inclusions... [04:48] Riddell: already 20 files patched, cause .h files path are incorrect [04:49] Tonio_: yeah, I think he just tests it on his local compile of KDE [04:49] Riddell: certainly yes...... [04:49] Tonio_: what's incorrect? [04:49] is it a badly set include path? [04:49] but I think actually that may not work also locally :) [04:50] Riddell: it is inclusion of included in the tarball files [04:50] and relative path is invalid [04:50] oh, builddir != sourcedir issues? [04:50] then I don't understand how can that compile, even locally [04:50] Riddell: nope [04:50] spooky [04:51] it is like if he moved a folder before making the tarball [04:51] Riddell: I'm about to start building Kopete 0.12 beta1 packages [04:51] all inclusions calling that folder are false [04:51] so I have to patch all sources...... painfull...... [04:52] jjesse: put Tm_T on the list too : [04:52] :) [04:52] Riddell: hitlist? [04:52] .... === Tm_T hides [04:52] relasenotes thanking everyone :) [04:52] aah [04:52] phew === Tm_T is not paranoic [04:52] d [04:52] whatever [04:53] Riddell: patching over, it builds correctly, I'm asking for yvfe [04:53] uvfe [04:56] Riddell: what about ksplash and moodin finally ? [04:57] we should care about that before 20/04 ;) [04:57] Tonio_: hmm? what about them? [04:57] Tonio_: oh, the dialogue stuff [04:57] Tonio_: I changed it in the source code, should be uploaded and compiled [04:57] Riddell: the dialog, statching issues, utf8 bugs etc...... [04:57] Riddell: did you managed to autodetect resolution ? [04:57] my new kubuntu-default-settings doesn't display username, so no utf8 issue [04:58] that could be usefull if we provide enough backgrounds correctly named [04:58] just needs 1 background, scaled. same as kdesktop [05:04] Riddell: no problem if it is stretched for you ? [05:05] Riddell: I'm thinking about people using wxga resolutions [05:05] Tonio_: if what? [05:05] what dos wxga mean in actual numbers? [05:05] Riddell: if people are using 1280x800 for example [05:05] it's the same problem as we have for the background image in general, it's not a new problem [05:06] Riddell: yes, but I don't mind the "background" especially [05:06] and there's not a way for KDE to go "oh, this is a widescreen monitor, I should use the wide image" [05:06] Riddell: the problem is that the white square is stretched too, whichmakes it quite ugly [05:06] the white square ist streched, that's what I changed [05:06] it's separate from the background now [05:06] same for the icons [05:06] Riddell: ahhhhhhhhhhhh [05:06] fantstic [05:06] ;) [05:07] Riddell: I though you just patched the text issues [05:07] no [05:07] Riddell: you rock :) [05:08] true :) [05:08] Riddell: ^_^ [05:08] and humble as well :) [05:08] actually I'm not sure if I got the spacing calculations right on the icons, that needs to be tested on a monitor that isn't mine [05:11] Riddell: where can I download the ksplash theme ? [05:11] I have a wxga screen, that has the issue, so that could be a good test [05:12] Tonio_: should be mostly good just by installing the latest moodin build [05:12] although it probably needs that Dialog image [05:12] Riddell: I don't need to change anything to the current used ksplash theme ? [05:12] I'll upload my new kubuntu-default-settings once Mark here has looked it over in a bit [05:13] Riddell: okay, I'll let you know === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:38] Riddell: about dependencies of Kopete, is dependency to xmms crucial? [05:38] SK has dependency to it too === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:39] mdadm [05:39] do I really need that, when I don't have RAID? [05:39] Tm_T: there should be a patch to make it dynamically loadable in kdenetwork [05:40] jeroenvrp: no [05:40] OK [05:40] jjesse: add nlindblad to the list too [05:40] hu? [05:40] Riddell: I think this a small problem, that a lot of things are loaded, that are not needed on a normal desktop [05:40] Riddell: are all the members of the lp group for kubuntu people i should include [05:40] like laptoputils, bluetoothutils, raid, etc [05:41] jeroenvrp: loaded where? [05:41] Riddell: installed [05:41] Riddell: I'm not following [05:41] jeroenvrp: yes, that'll happen [05:42] and some loading during bootup, allthough they won' work, but it etas a little bit of bootup time [05:42] maybe it would be great idea, to have a few system-defaults when installing [05:42] like: laptop or desktop [05:43] just an idea [05:43] the same problem with other distros [05:43] jeroenvrp: you mean RAID-utils, bluetooth and LVM starting even though you don't have them? [05:44] nlindblad: yes [05:44] I see === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:44] like LVM, do I need that!? [05:44] not if you don't use LVM (obviously) [05:44] I have 2 normal harddrives, thats all- like almost everyone [05:44] jeroenvrp: would be better to let the installera identify things like that [05:44] *installer [05:44] nlindblad: yes [05:45] but it installed all those things [05:46] the problem with ununstalling lvm and mdadm is that thal and the kernel depends on it [05:46] the kernel packages? [05:47] nlindblad: yes [05:47] oh [05:47] well, IMO, the installer should be able to determine which of those packages that are necessary [05:48] another problem is that I uninstalled lm-sensors and still tries to launch it during boottime [05:49] apt won't remove it from the runlevels? [05:49] and lm-sensors is still in /etc/init.d [05:49] nlindblad: it looks like it, yes [05:50] any reason why apt won't do that? [05:51] nlindblad: no [05:51] seems pretty stupid [05:51] I unistalled the packages, incl the config, so that could not be the problem [05:51] would break most systems [05:52] nlindblad: what you mean [05:52] if a user removes a package and it's not removed from the runlevel [05:52] its just a normal way of doing thins in Synaptic [05:52] ok [05:53] nlindblad: but not will all packages, I noticed [05:53] so maybe its a package problem [05:53] anyhow, I remove it manually [05:55] okey, but if it's something for a few specific packages it's worth looking into === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:09] Tm_T: kdenetwork I seem to mind has a patch which makes xmms dynamically loadable in kopete so you don't have to depend on xmms [06:10] Riddell: ok, but problem is, I'm not sure how I remove the dependency [06:10] hmm, I'll try one thing [07:01] <_Sime> Riddell: I've had a play (again) with systemsettings -> http://www.simonzone.com/software/ss.png [07:01] <_Sime> Riddell: want me to commit this? [07:04] _Sime: mm, beautiful [07:04] please do === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:06] <_Sime> it takes up much less vertical space too. [07:11] <_Sime> Riddell: done. [07:12] _Sime: have you seen icefox's screenshots of the kde 4 system settings? [07:12] I can't remember where they are now [07:13] <_Sime> no [07:14] he has them in vertical lists with the text by the side [07:17] <_Sime> can you find the mockup? [07:18] ok, Kopete 0.12 beta1 for dapper packaged [07:19] <_Sime> Riddell: oh, and is vertical better than what we now have in sys-settings? [07:22] _Sime: dunno, I'd need to find the screen shots again to remind myself [07:26] someone who like to test Kopete package? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:45] Where is tpb started? [07:46] It has an OSD which kind of conflicts with milo:-(( [07:48] Ah, found it: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90tpb. [08:01] Riddell: ok, looks like package for dapper works just fine [08:02] Riddell: interested? === Tm_T thinkshe should find a way to do breezy package too [08:17] anyway: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/ === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-001-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:04] re === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.160.2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:12] hey [09:12] why does kded crash on login? [09:12] is there a bugfix for Dapper? [09:14] because nearly all applications like Konqueror don't start afterwards ... and sometimes I can't login ... if I already logged in before ... without restarting the PC ... [09:19] anyone? [09:23] hello? [09:28] Flosoft, try #kubuntu, kubuntuforums.net, https://launchpad.net/malone === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.160.2] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [09:33] none of that been reported [09:43] hmmm 6 week delay? intersteing [10:01] +1 jjesse [10:21] jjesse: delay of what? === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:52] Tm_T: did you read mark's email? [10:53] hmm, k-devs list? [10:53] umm he sent it out to a ton of lists [10:53] ah, have to check mail then ;) [10:54] thanks [10:54] ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-docs, artwork, fridge [10:54] i can forward it to kubuntu-devel ?? [10:55] if you ask from me, yes [10:56] maybe I should read ubuntu-devel too [10:56] and artwork