[01:03] <allee> amu: ping
[01:10] <Riddell_> mornfall: no paticular deadline, just whenever you can
[01:12] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: adept can works after I change the locales to en_US
[05:13] <raphink> robotgeek: I thought this had actually been fixed lately
[05:13] <robotgeek> raphink: hmm, nope.i  still have problem on my ibook
[05:14] <raphink> hmm ok
[05:14] <raphink> when did you upgrade?
[05:14] <robotgeek> raphink: as in apt-get dist-upgrade? today evening
[05:14] <raphink> I'm pretty sure I remember someone had made systemsettings use a bar to go up and down when this happens
[05:15] <robotgeek> i had to use alt+ drag
[05:15] <robotgeek> raphink: does it matter if i used my breezy .kde?
[05:16] <raphink> I don't know
[05:16] <raphink> test it ;)
[05:16] <raphink> just mv it to .kde2
[05:16] <raphink> and see if it works ;)
[05:17] <raphink> huh?
[05:17] <raphink> why?
[05:17] <raphink> There's absolutely no risk 
[05:18] <raphink> you just move your .kde to .kde2
[05:18] <raphink> do your test
[05:18] <raphink> then move .kde2 back to .kde
[05:18] <robotgeek> oh well, i have to move to .kde3
[05:18] <raphink> and you get your settings back
[05:18] <raphink> your mail are put in ~/Mail anyway
[05:18] <raphink> ;)
[05:18] <raphink> they are not in .kde
[05:18] <raphink> if you use kmail that is
[05:19] <raphink> hi freeflying
[05:19] <freeflying> raphink: hi
[05:21] <robotgeek> raphink: my bad, i think it has been fixed
[05:22] <raphink> robotgeek: I think is has, yes :)
[05:22] <robotgeek> oh no, my shortcuts!
[05:22] <raphink> robotgeek: do you get a scrolling bar now?
[05:22] <robotgeek> raphink: it acutally resizes quote nicely and fits in the screen
[05:22] <raphink> robotgeek: you'll get your shortcuts back with your .kde
[05:22] <raphink> ;)
[05:23] <raphink> robotgeek: great
[05:23] <robotgeek> raphink: thanks for all the help
[05:23] <raphink> quite a lot of things have been fixed lately
[05:23] <raphink> :)
[05:23] <raphink> thankfully
[05:23] <raphink> so we have a hope of having dapper stable and smooth
[05:23] <robotgeek> raphink: yes, i will mark it as closed then
[05:24] <raphink> thanks
[05:24] <raphink> put "fix released"
[05:24] <raphink> don't remember who fixed it. I think it's _Sime
[05:25] <robotgeek> it was assigned to Ridell
[05:25] <raphink> mhm
[05:25] <raphink> doesn't mean Riddell fixed it ;)
[05:25] <raphink> if he had to fix all the bugs assigned to him, that would be a lot
[05:26] <robotgeek> okay, i'll just put it in as _Sime
[05:26] <raphink> no
[05:26] <raphink> doesn't matter
[05:26] <raphink> since it's fixed
[05:26] <raphink> just put that the fix has been released
[05:26] <raphink> if you want to know how fixed it, check the changelogs for kde-guidance
[05:26] <robotgeek> raphink: i'll try at lower resoultion and then mark it 
[05:27] <raphink> ok :)=
[05:28] <raphink> robotgeek: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kde-guidance/kde-guidance_0.6.2-0ubuntu1/changelog
[05:28] <raphink> look at this
[05:29] <robotgeek> raphink: not fixed, unfortunately
[05:29] <raphink> ok
[05:29] <raphink> you didn't put your .kde back before testing?
[05:32] <robotgeek> raphink: okay, still not fixed on *lower* resoultion. however, it works for me when it wasn't working for me before
[05:34] <raphink> ok
[05:34] <robotgeek> raphink: anyways, i think only few ppl will be affected now, we can handle in #kubuntu :)
[05:34] <raphink> yep
[05:34] <raphink> it's much better
[05:35] <robotgeek> yes, much better
[05:35] <raphink> this has been a huge thing in breezy
[05:35] <raphink> and it's still not translated in french
[05:35] <raphink> which is a major language
[05:35] <raphink> + there's a bug that has it show modules in english
[05:35] <raphink> instead of french
[05:35] <raphink> while the modules are well translated in french in kcontrol
[05:36] <robotgeek> oh noes
[05:41] <robotgeek> i messed up! i lost all my mail, shit
[05:43] <robotgeek> later, it looks like i am going to have a long night ahead. 
[05:49] <raphink> huh
[07:11] <Hobbsee> ack!  what's this skim thing doing on my desktop, and how to i remove it?
[07:17] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: you may disable it run automatically in it's configure 
[07:18] <Hobbsee> right
[07:18] <Hobbsee> and can i stop it starting on boot?
[07:18] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: sure you can 
[07:18] <Hobbsee> how?
[07:19] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: right click on it's icon in system tray
[07:19] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:19] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: click configure
[07:19] <Hobbsee> yep...
[07:20] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: click on X11 windows
[07:20] <Hobbsee> ah, found it D:
[07:20] <Hobbsee> *:D
[07:20] <Hobbsee> i'd tried all but that module...
[07:20] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: hehe
[07:20] <Hobbsee> *shakes her head*
[07:20] <freeflying-ibook> then it will not boot up when you log in again 
[07:21] <Hobbsee> i've been coding a fair bit todya - trying to make what should be work, actually work the way it's supposed to
[07:21] <Hobbsee> so that was fun
[07:21] <Hobbsee> oh goody :)
[07:22] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: actually , skim will not do anything if you haven't scim module installed
[07:23] <Hobbsee> oh good - it'll just sit there in my system tray, and annoy me, as it looks more like a gtk icon than a kde one :P
[07:23] <freeflying-ibook> Hobbsee: no ,it's a really kde stuff
[07:23] <Hobbsee> hmm ok
[08:07] <_Sime> robotgeek: The systemsettings low-res-scroll problem is fixed in SVN. I don't know if the package is updated yet.
[08:08] <robotgeek> _Sime: cool. it works for me when it was not working for me before. 
[08:08] <_Sime> robotgeek: and I've made some progress on the systemsettings i18n problem, but don't have a fix yet. (it's a bit tricky)
[08:09] <robotgeek> _Sime: that was mostly raphink's issue, i think. i can only speak english :)
[08:09] <_Sime> robotgeek: what version is your systemsettings pakcage?
[08:09] <robotgeek> _Sime: lemme check
[08:10] <robotgeek> 0.0svn20051207-0ubuntu4
[08:13] <_Sime> mmmm that's old
[08:14] <robotgeek> _Sime: hmm, well it has been fixed atleast for my resolution. however, it foobars when i go to a lower resolution. 
[08:14] <_Sime> ok
[08:53] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: interesting... is it just locale or some input method?
[08:54] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: it maybe the locales
[09:05] <mornfall> i'll try it out
[09:05] <mornfall> anything else i need apart from kde locale package?
[09:06] <mornfall> zhcn right?
[10:31] <Tonio_> hi
[10:33] <freeflying> Tonio_: hey
[10:35] <AgarFu> Hi all
[10:36] <Riddell> hi Tonio_, freeflying, AgarFu 
[10:37] <Tonio_> hi freeflying, Riddell
[10:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: working on KubuntuDapperTODO wikipage
[10:42] <freeflying> Riddell: r u on ui sprint now ?
[10:43] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[10:43] <freeflying> Riddell: how about the i18n sprint ?
[10:43] <Riddell> freeflying: I'm not staying for that
[10:43] <Riddell> didn't even know about it until a couple of days ago
[10:44] <freeflying> Riddell: due to the visa, can not see u next week , :)
[10:45] <Riddell> I heard there were visa problems :(
[10:46] <robotgeek> visa issues suck
[10:47] <Riddell> no passport?!
[10:47] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: how are you a citizen of au then :)
[10:47] <freeflying> no visa
[10:48] <Hobbsee> er...i'm already an aussie citizen by birth...
[10:48] <Hobbsee> doesnt that mean i dont need a visa for here?
[10:48] <Hobbsee> yes, no passport - the old one lapsed about 5 years ago
[10:49] <freeflying> Hobbsee: u may not need visa for British
[10:49] <Hobbsee> i need a passport to get into nz - i'll definetly need one to go out of the country
[10:53] <Hobbsee> to britain, that is
[10:54] <Riddell> you're coming to britain?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> no, that was just in reference to freeflying mentioning it
[10:55] <Hobbsee> like i say, i'm kinda braindead, and should clearly shut up before i go and annoy everyone :P
[10:55] <freeflying> I just feel sad can not be 
[10:59] <Riddell> visas at short notice just don't work in most cases
[11:01] <Riddell> hello tarax 
[11:02] <tarax> hi yall
[11:02] <tarax> hi riddell :)
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you confirm me that the scalling problem in systemsettings on <800 height resolutions is resolved ?
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I remember _Sime talking about a commited fix
[11:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: I believe sime has a fix in SVN, I haven't tested it yet though, please do so if you are able
[11:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: I was thinking if you were able to update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDefaultSettings that would be cool
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will have a look :)
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: Well I'm working on the TODO wiki page, and then will update k-d-s page yes, I just discovered this one ;)
[11:09] <tarax> so, morning update of my kubuntu dapper broke my /etc/resolv.conf, even root can't write to it... maybe this is a known problem, but I really don't know how to fix ?
[11:10] <Tonio_> tarax: I updated this morning and had no issue
[11:11] <tarax> Tonio_:  ouch !
[11:11] <Tonio_> tarax: did you try to boot with recovery mode ?
[11:12] <tarax> nope
[11:12] <Tonio_> tarax: you should ;)
[11:12] <Tonio_> then try to delete resolv.conf
[11:12] <tarax> indeed ! lol
[11:12] <tarax> let's try...
[11:14] <tarax> just to be more precise, /etc/resolv.conf seems to be empty and no permissions are set on the file
[11:16] <tarax> ?--------- ?  ? ?      ?     ? /etc/resolv.conf
[11:16] <tarax> :O
[11:16] <Tonio_> wow.....;
[11:17] <tarax> Tonio_: that's exactly what I thought !!!
[11:18] <crimsun> looks fine here:
[11:18] <crimsun> -rw-r--r-- 1 root dhcp 66 2006-03-10 04:40 /etc/resolv.conf
[11:18] <Tonio_> crimsun: no pb here too
[11:18] <crimsun> 05:18:31 up  5:35,
[11:18] <tarax> crimsun: this seems more usual ;)
[11:18] <Tonio_> tarax: can be a hard drive issue maybe....
[11:19] <Tonio_> tarax: I would personaly try to reboot in recovery mode and make a few tests there :)
[11:19] <tarax> Tonio_: hmm I'm afraid
[11:24] <tarax> booted in rescue mode, shell in recovery context, ls -ln /target/etc/ | grep resolv
[11:24] <tarax> _no_ resolv.conf !
[11:25] <tarax> only resolv.conf.back and resolv.conf.dhclient-new
[11:28] <tarax> cp /target/etc/resolv.conf.bak /target/etc/resolv.conf
[11:28] <tarax> Permission denied
[11:31] <sebas> tarax: Did you run a fsck?
[11:31] <freeflying> mornfall: ping
[11:32] <tarax> sebas:  no, good idea...
[11:34] <tarax> sebas: nice shot
[11:35] <tarax> sebas: 4 corruptions... check_semantic_pass: Name "resolv.conf" points to nowhere !!!
[11:36] <tarax> let's go for a --fix-fixable...
[11:38] <tarax> done... new check returns no error... rebooting
[11:41] <tarax> oooki :D
[11:42] <tarax> nice it works again, thanks for your help men
[11:43] <sebas> You're welcome
[11:46] <tarax> but this makes me worry about my hardware :'(
[11:48] <tarax> for the good news, kubuntu dapper build 060305 installed nicely on my hp nx8220 laptop
[11:49] <viviersf> how you make apt use a proxy again
[11:49] <tarax> just have to find how to "activate" my ipw2200
[11:50] <tarax> sort of hardware lock or something keeps me away from the wireless world
[11:53] <mornfall> freeflying: pong
[12:03] <freeflying> mornfall: bug 34273
[12:03] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34273 in adept "Can not use adept under zh_CN locales" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34273
[12:13] <Tarax> re
[12:13] <Tarax> :)
[01:00] <AgarFu> Riddel I'm having some problems, I can't find a get_drives method any where to populate the drive combo at the auto partiton step
[01:00] <AgarFu> do you know where it can be?
[01:04] <Riddell> AgarFu: I haven't added it
[01:05] <Riddell> AgarFu: is it even used by the gtk frontend?
[01:05] <AgarFu> yes it is but...
[01:05] <AgarFu> with no much sense
[01:07] <AgarFu> frontend/gtkui.py:                selected_drive = self.__assistant.get_drives () [current] 
[01:08] <AgarFu> but self.__assistant is not initialized anywhere
[01:08] <Riddell> it must be in the glade file then
[01:08] <AgarFu> let me see ...
[01:12] <AgarFu> nothing happens /usr/share/espresso/glade$ grep -ri assistant *
[01:12] <AgarFu> nor grep -ri get_drives *
[01:23] <AgarFu> I've found the method at the guadalinex's old repo
[01:25] <AgarFu> the assistant attribute is a instance of peez2, but that is the worst piece of code I've ever seen
[01:25] <AgarFu> so I'll try to do an alternate method to find the drives
[01:34] <Riddell> AgarFu: just asked the main espresso dude who says that variable is dead
[01:34] <Riddell> on_drives_changed in gtkui.py has a return statement above it
[01:34] <Riddell> hello miguev 
[01:34] <Riddell> hi raphink 
[01:36] <miguev> hi :)
[01:36] <AgarFu> hi miguev
[01:36] <AgarFu> oka Riddell
[01:37] <raphink> hi Riddell 
[01:37] <raphink> :)
[01:38] <Tonio_> raphink: pv
[01:39] <raphink> Tonio_: o a ?
[01:39] <Tonio_> bah konversation ;)
[01:39] <Tonio_> enfin irc quoi ;)
[01:39] <Tonio_> ca va te faire marrer
[01:41] <Riddell> if you can't /msg you can just speak french so nobody understands you :)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> ugh
[01:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: you will understand, I know your french understanding is realy correct ;)
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to package kde-systemsettings with latest svn, but it appears I have an issue with the admin folder
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: too old maybe ?
[01:51] <Tonio_> I can't create Makefiles correctly....
[01:52] <Tonio_> and uupdate -u gives an ftbfs package
[01:55] <crimsun> I've not experienced any problems with uupdate
[01:55] <freeflying> Tonio_: why use uupdate for svn package ?
[01:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the error?
[01:58] <Tonio_> ridell, let me show you
[01:59] <Tonio_> freeflying: because I wanted to test with a clean deb, simply :) therefore I tried to create a tarball
[02:02] <AgarFu> Riddell, what do you think about a complete redesign of kde-ui?
[02:02] <AgarFu> I'm getting mad
[02:03] <freeflying> AgarFu: redesign kde-ui ?
[02:03] <raphink> AgarFu: what exactly do you mean?
[02:03] <AgarFu> espresso's kde-ui
[02:04] <raphink> aaaaaah ok
[02:04] <freeflying> hmm
[02:04] <Riddell> AgarFu: to change what?
[02:04] <AgarFu> well we can do it more ala Qt
[02:04] <Riddell> AgarFu: it's intended to follow gtkui closely, almost all the methods are the same names etc
[02:05] <Riddell> although the order is all different
[02:05] <AgarFu> because i see too much gtk related things
[02:05] <Riddell> that's so it can be kept in sync with gtkui easily
[02:05] <AgarFu> oh my got
[02:05] <AgarFu> do you know wath that means?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> lunch????
[02:06] <Hobbsee> crazy...
[02:06] <AgarFu> I've to reestructurate my mind to think like a gnome guy
[02:06] <AgarFu> that's almost imposible
[02:06] <AgarFu> jajaja
[02:06] <miguev> 'scuse, but I think *that* maybe not the best way to keep gtk-ui and kde-ui sync
[02:07] <miguev> 'scuse, but I think *that* maybe not be the best way to keep gtk-ui and kde-ui sync (sorry)
[02:07] <miguev> I'd be better if we write down the specs and follow them afterwards, each dev team (gtk/qt) thinking on their own way
[02:10] <miguev> I'd like to hear some opinions from you :)
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/594320
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the end of the buildlog (using pbuilder of course)
[02:14] <AgarFu> we need a modular installer, using Qt we can put a class that inherit QWidget at /components wich implements the ok and cancel handlers and a config file to select what components we want to see 
[02:16] <AgarFu> the core shoudn't be more than a few lines, all the functionality will be localized at their own files and will be easyer to debug and develop new components to the installer
[02:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nite ;)
[02:16] <Hobbsee> night Tonio_ :)
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ooh crud!
[02:16] <AgarFu> night
[02:16] <Hobbsee> now, i intended to tell you something...
[02:16] <Hobbsee> oh yes
[02:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm...it may not be your domain
[02:17] <Hobbsee> but in the skim, there's an option for a quit button to be there or not - i would have thought we wanted the quit button there
[02:17] <Hobbsee> and preferably not start it by default for the people who dont use skim, but i vagely remember seeing a massive discussion on this yesterday...which i'm not sure what the result was
[02:17] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I'd patch skim for not run automatically when you boot
[02:18] <Hobbsee> that'd be good
[02:41] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[02:52] <AgarFu> Riddell we are making a new design because I can't think like a gnome guy and I'm getting more and more nervous with the actual code, I think that I can have the same functionality plus some more in a while, after that you could choose 
[03:10] <Riddell> Mez: pong
[03:11] <Riddell> AgarFu: hmm, ok
[03:11] <Mez> Riddell, check email
[03:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: buildlog for what?
[03:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: systemsettings ;)
[03:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was looking at kdbus, we have a completly outdated version actually, may I update the package and ask for UVF exception ?
[03:16] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder if that build error is to do with my kdesu changes where any kde program run as root sets $HOME to /root
[03:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's because we packaged it just after the guy first wrote it, and I had to make a bunch of fixes just for it to work right
[03:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: so go ahead
[03:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: for systemsettings, maybe I did something crappy when I did the tarball from svn
[03:22] <Mez> Riddell, if you'd upload that minor change for me it'd be appreciated
[03:28] <Riddell> Mez: done
[03:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: do a fresh checkout and see if it works?
[03:29] <Mez> cheers
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking
[04:13] <jjesse> Riddell: do i need to mention skim enabled by default in releease notes (whatever skim is :) )
[04:13] <Riddell> jjesse: skim adds good CKJ support, you should say it's included by default, we'll have to look at how/when it's enabled
[04:14] <jjesse> ok i'll get that updated today
[04:15] <Riddell> jjesse: we should have a section in the release notes to say thanks to all the cool new developers we've got for dapper
[04:15] <jjesse> Riddell: ok any one in particular you want named or should i just say big thanks to all the new devedlopers or something like that
[04:15] <Riddell> name them all!
[04:15] <jjesse> :)
[04:16] <Riddell> you, robotgeek, kwwii, mornfall, raphink, hobssee, Tonio_, _Sime, sebas, seaLne, everyone!
[04:16] <Riddell> freeflying of course
[04:16] <freeflying> jjesse: anything about skim , I can tell you
[04:16] <Riddell> oh, allee 
[04:16] <Riddell> JRe
[04:17] <Riddell> we have so many cool people now I can't even remebe them all
[04:17] <jjesse> that is an awesome problem to have :)
[04:17] <Riddell> amu as our german promo dude
[04:19] <Riddell> ah, Mez too
[04:20] <Mez> what about me ?
[04:21] <jjesse> how do i undo whatever has been done to kate so i can't open multiple instances of it
[04:21] <Mez> Riddell, huh?
[04:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: tvo also
[04:23] <raphink> Mez: Riddell is listing the kubuntu devs for a thanks part in a doc :)
[04:23] <Mez> raphink: ah
[04:23] <freeflying> Riddell: also partric
[04:23] <Tonio_> jpatrick yes
[04:23] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team ??
[04:24] <Mez> how about seth?
[04:24] <jjesse>  how bout just a big thanks to all the new awesome developers on the Kubuntu Team and link kubuntu team to https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team ?
[04:25] <Riddell> that's a bit vauge, I like the idea of everyone being in
[04:25] <Riddell> but the list would be quite long
[04:25] <Riddell> and if we missed anyone out then we'd be in trouble!
[04:26] <jjesse> that's what i was thinking
[04:29] <jjesse> Tonio_: did you make any changes to kate in the default settings so i cannot open multiple copies of kate ?
[04:31] <Tonio_> jjesse: euh... do you want to open multiple copies or do you want monosession mode ?
[04:31] <Tonio_> jjesse: kate is actually in monosession mode
[04:31] <Tonio_> that's a change I've done yes
[04:35] <jjesse> for example i;m working on redoing the adept guide that's in svn, so i would like to have a window of the orginaial open and a window of the one i'm working on
[04:35] <jjesse> so i would assume i would want multiple copies of kate
[04:37] <Riddell> jjesse: kwrite :)
[04:37] <Tonio_> jjesse: in fact, we have a problem with version of kate
[04:38] <Tonio_> you cannot use it like before, and we have to choose betwenn "every opening opens a new kate" and "everything opens in the same kate"
[04:38] <jjesse> bummer
[04:38] <Tonio_> we decided to use the second option, because even if not perfect, seems to be prefered by most users
[04:38] <jjesse> can i change it on my system?
[04:39] <Tonio_> jjesse: yes, edit the Kmenu
[04:39] <Tonio_> kate entry, and remove "--use" in kate's opening command
[04:39] <jjesse> will my change be overwritten each time i update?
[04:40] <Tonio_> nope
[04:40] <Tonio_> cause this will create a kde-kate.desktop entry in your profile
[04:40] <Tonio_> and the profile is prior to k-d-s
[04:40] <jjesse> ah
[04:40] <jjesse> should that be mentioned in any doc?
[04:40] <Tonio_> the order is "profile" > "k-d-s" > "/usr/share"
[04:40] <Tonio_> in that order
[04:41] <jjesse> cool i learned something today :)
[04:41] <Tonio_> jjesse: could be eventually yes
[04:41] <Riddell> if you want multiple windows use kwrite
[04:41] <jjesse> is kwrite installed by default?
[04:41] <Riddell> but it should just be a config option in kate
[04:41] <Riddell> yes, but the .desktop file is not displayed
[04:42] <Riddell> kwrite literally just is kate but with 1 window per doc
[04:42] <Riddell> it's stupid, it should be a kate config option
[04:42] <jjesse> oh, 2 things i learned today
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: totally agree
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: old kate was perfectly dealing with.......; 
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: one more crappy new feature, same than system:/
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested the filters for adblock and they don't work as nicelly as mine
[04:43] <jjesse> Tonio_: is there a list of changes to default settings that i need to mention in release notes?
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I don't want to use work of people who think they are "too advanced to use kubuntu" (his words...)
[04:44] <Tonio_> jjesse: I need to update the k-d-s wiki page
[04:44] <Tonio_> will doo this WE
[04:44] <jjesse> cool, i will update the release notes to follow
[04:44] <Tonio_> you can eventually read the source package changelog and decide what should be documented
[04:45] <Tonio_> I added lots of details in it
[04:45] <jjesse> ok
[04:45] <Mez> Riddell: where did you say we can get the NM for KDE stuff from?
[04:46] <Riddell> Mez: NM?
[04:47] <Mez> Network-Manager
[04:47] <Tonio_> Mez: opensuse svn maybe ?
[04:47] <Mez> 0.6.0 is out
[04:48] <Riddell> opensuse factory
[04:48] <Riddell> source rpm
[04:48] <Riddell> it might also be on forge.novell.com by now
[04:48] <Tm_T> hmm, how that pbuilder is used?
[04:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdbus upstream did really bad things with inclusions...
[04:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: already 20 files patched, cause .h files path are incorrect
[04:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, I think he just tests it on his local compile of KDE
[04:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: certainly yes......
[04:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's incorrect?
[04:49] <Riddell> is it a badly set include path?
[04:49] <Tonio_> but I think actually that may not work also locally :)
[04:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is inclusion of included in the tarball files
[04:50] <Tonio_> and relative path is invalid
[04:50] <Riddell> oh, builddir != sourcedir issues?
[04:50] <Tonio_> then I don't understand how can that compile, even locally
[04:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope
[04:50] <Riddell> spooky
[04:51] <Tonio_> it is like if he moved a folder before making the tarball
[04:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm about to start building Kopete 0.12 beta1 packages
[04:51] <Tonio_> all inclusions calling that folder are false
[04:51] <Tonio_> so I have to patch all sources...... painfull......
[04:52] <Riddell> jjesse: put Tm_T on the list too :
[04:52] <Riddell> :)
[04:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: hitlist?
[04:52] <Tm_T> ....
[04:52] <jjesse> relasenotes thanking everyone :)
[04:52] <Tm_T> aah
[04:52] <Tm_T> phew
[04:52] <Tm_T> d
[04:52] <Tm_T> whatever
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: patching over, it builds correctly, I'm asking for yvfe
[04:53] <Tonio_> uvfe
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about ksplash and moodin finally ?
[04:57] <Tonio_> we should care about that before 20/04 ;)
[04:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm?  what about them?
[04:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, the dialogue stuff
[04:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: I changed it in the source code, should be uploaded and compiled
[04:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: the dialog, statching issues, utf8 bugs etc......
[04:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you managed to autodetect resolution ? 
[04:57] <Riddell> my new kubuntu-default-settings doesn't display username, so no utf8 issue
[04:58] <Tonio_> that could be usefull if we provide enough backgrounds correctly named
[04:58] <Riddell> just needs 1 background, scaled.  same as kdesktop
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem if it is stretched for you ?
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm thinking about people using wxga resolutions
[05:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: if what?
[05:05] <Riddell> what dos wxga mean in actual numbers?
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: if people are using 1280x800 for example
[05:05] <Riddell> it's the same problem as we have for the background image in general, it's not a new problem
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but I don't mind the "background" especially
[05:06] <Riddell> and there's not a way for KDE to go "oh, this is a widescreen monitor, I should use the wide image"
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that the white square is stretched too, whichmakes it quite ugly
[05:06] <Riddell> the white square ist streched, that's what I changed
[05:06] <Riddell> it's separate from the background now
[05:06] <Riddell> same for the icons
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:06] <Tonio_> fantstic
[05:06] <Tonio_> ;)
[05:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I though you just patched the text issues
[05:07] <Riddell> no
[05:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: you rock :)
[05:08] <Riddell> true :)
[05:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^_^
[05:08] <jjesse> and humble as well :)
[05:08] <Riddell> actually I'm not sure if I got the spacing calculations right on the icons, that needs to be tested on a monitor that isn't mine
[05:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: where can I download the ksplash theme ?
[05:11] <Tonio_> I have a wxga screen, that has the issue, so that could be a good test
[05:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: should be mostly good just by installing the latest moodin build
[05:12] <Riddell> although it probably needs that Dialog image
[05:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't need to change anything to the current used ksplash theme ?
[05:12] <Riddell> I'll upload my new kubuntu-default-settings once Mark here has looked it over in a bit
[05:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I'll let you know
[05:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: about dependencies of Kopete, is dependency to xmms crucial?
[05:38] <Tm_T> SK has dependency to it too
[05:39] <jeroenvrp> mdadm
[05:39] <jeroenvrp> do I really need that, when I don't have RAID?
[05:39] <Riddell> Tm_T: there should be a patch to make it dynamically loadable in kdenetwork
[05:40] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: no
[05:40] <jeroenvrp> OK
[05:40] <Riddell> jjesse: add nlindblad to the list too
[05:40] <nlindblad> hu?
[05:40] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I think this a small problem, that a lot of things are loaded, that are not needed on a normal desktop
[05:40] <jjesse> Riddell: are all the members of the lp group for kubuntu people i should include
[05:40] <jeroenvrp> like laptoputils, bluetoothutils, raid, etc
[05:41] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: loaded where?
[05:41] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: installed
[05:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm not following
[05:41] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: yes, that'll happen
[05:42] <jeroenvrp> and some loading during bootup, allthough they won' work, but it etas a little bit of bootup time
[05:42] <jeroenvrp> maybe it would be great idea, to have a few system-defaults when installing
[05:42] <jeroenvrp> like: laptop or desktop
[05:43] <jeroenvrp> just an idea
[05:43] <jeroenvrp> the same problem with other distros
[05:43] <nlindblad> jeroenvrp: you mean RAID-utils, bluetooth and LVM starting even though you don't have them?
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> nlindblad: yes
[05:44] <nlindblad> I see
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> like LVM, do I need that!?
[05:44] <nlindblad> not if you don't use LVM (obviously)
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> I have 2 normal harddrives, thats all- like almost everyone
[05:44] <nlindblad> jeroenvrp: would be better to let the installera identify things like that
[05:44] <nlindblad> *installer
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> nlindblad: yes
[05:45] <jeroenvrp> but it installed all those things
[05:46] <jeroenvrp> the problem with ununstalling lvm and mdadm is that thal and the kernel depends on it
[05:46] <nlindblad> the kernel packages?
[05:47] <jeroenvrp> nlindblad: yes
[05:47] <nlindblad> oh
[05:47] <nlindblad> well, IMO, the installer should be able to determine which of those packages that are necessary
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> another problem is that I uninstalled lm-sensors and still tries to launch it during boottime
[05:49] <nlindblad> apt won't remove it from the runlevels?
[05:49] <jeroenvrp> and lm-sensors is still in /etc/init.d
[05:49] <jeroenvrp> nlindblad: it looks like it, yes
[05:50] <nlindblad> any reason why apt won't do that?
[05:51] <jeroenvrp> nlindblad: no
[05:51] <nlindblad> seems pretty stupid
[05:51] <jeroenvrp> I unistalled the packages, incl the config, so that could not be the problem
[05:51] <nlindblad> would break most systems
[05:52] <jeroenvrp> nlindblad: what you mean
[05:52] <nlindblad> if a user removes a package and it's not removed from the runlevel
[05:52] <jeroenvrp> its just a normal way of doing thins in Synaptic
[05:52] <jeroenvrp> ok
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> nlindblad: but not will all packages, I noticed
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> so maybe its a package problem
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> anyhow, I remove it manually
[05:55] <nlindblad> okey, but if it's something for a few specific packages it's worth looking into
[06:09] <Riddell> Tm_T: kdenetwork I seem to mind has a patch which makes xmms dynamically loadable in kopete so you don't have to depend on xmms
[06:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, but problem is, I'm not sure how I remove the dependency
[06:10] <Tm_T> hmm, I'll try one thing
[07:01] <_Sime> Riddell: I've had a play (again) with systemsettings -> http://www.simonzone.com/software/ss.png
[07:01] <_Sime> Riddell: want me to commit this?
[07:04] <Riddell> _Sime: mm, beautiful
[07:04] <Riddell> please do
[07:06] <_Sime> it takes up much less vertical space too.
[07:11] <_Sime> Riddell: done.
[07:12] <Riddell> _Sime: have you seen icefox's screenshots of the kde 4 system settings?
[07:12] <Riddell> I can't remember where they are now
[07:13] <_Sime> no
[07:14] <Riddell> he has them in vertical lists with the text by the side
[07:17] <_Sime> can you find the mockup?
[07:18] <Tm_T> ok, Kopete 0.12 beta1 for dapper packaged
[07:19] <_Sime> Riddell: oh, and is vertical better than what we now have in sys-settings?
[07:22] <Riddell> _Sime: dunno, I'd need to find the screen shots again to remind myself
[07:26] <Tm_T> someone who like to test Kopete package?
[07:45] <hunger> Where is tpb started?
[07:46] <hunger> It has an OSD which kind of conflicts with milo:-((
[07:48] <hunger> Ah, found it: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90tpb.
[08:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, looks like package for dapper works just fine
[08:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: interested?
[08:17] <Tm_T> anyway: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/
[09:04] <Tonio_> re
[09:12] <Flosoft> hey
[09:12] <Flosoft> why does kded crash on login?
[09:12] <Flosoft> is there a bugfix for Dapper?
[09:14] <Flosoft> because nearly all applications like Konqueror don't start afterwards ... and sometimes I can't login ... if I already logged in before ... without restarting the PC ...
[09:19] <Flosoft> anyone?
[09:23] <Flosoft> hello?
[09:28] <incinerator> Flosoft, try #kubuntu, kubuntuforums.net, https://launchpad.net/malone
[09:33] <Tm_T> none of that been reported
[09:43] <jjesse> hmmm 6 week delay?  intersteing
[10:01] <robotgeek> +1 jjesse 
[10:21] <Tm_T> jjesse: delay of what?
[10:52] <jjesse> Tm_T: did you read mark's email?
[10:53] <Tm_T> hmm, k-devs list?
[10:53] <jjesse> umm he sent it out to a ton of lists
[10:53] <Tm_T> ah, have to check mail then ;)
[10:54] <Tm_T> thanks
[10:54] <jjesse> ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-docs, artwork, fridge
[10:54] <jjesse> i can forward it to kubuntu-devel ??
[10:55] <Tm_T> if you ask from me, yes
[10:56] <Tm_T> maybe I should read ubuntu-devel too
[10:56] <Tm_T> and artwork