[12:09] <brandon> does anyone have a ati radeion 9550? i cant install the drivers for it.
[12:11] <ufo> !ati
[12:11] <ubotu> [ati]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[12:11] <ufo> brandon, use the last thread
[12:12] <brandon> k
[12:12] <tegeillud> hi all
[12:12] <durga> looking for an alternative to amarok..any ideas ?
[12:12] <tegeillud> xmms
[12:12] <tegeillud> ?
[12:12] <sbauer> hello
[12:12] <sbauer> i have a problem with kubuntu/ati drivers
[12:12] <tegeillud> hi
[12:13] <sbauer> i installed the new fglrx drivers
[12:13] <Yannux> does someone has setup ati drviers with kubuntu dapper ?
[12:13] <sbauer> for 3D - support
[12:13] <_mindspin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[12:13] <Yannux> drivers*
[12:13] <_mindspin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[12:13] <Yannux> sbauer: oh same perhaps
[12:13] <_mindspin> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[12:14] <sbauer> now i have the problem, that i want to use ONLY my extern tft-monitor... but the notebook-tft is always on
[12:14] <_mindspin> you were just alittle late sbauer
[12:14] <sbauer> i can't switch it off
[12:14] <sbauer> it would not matter, if the notebook-tft is on, but my extern-tft always has problems with the screen, if the two tfts are running
[12:15] <frank23> Everyone check out Democracy! its the assomest thing I've seen in a while. It's a podcast directory/downloader/viewer (pretty buggy, but still cool)
[12:15] <sbauer> i dont know why
[12:16] <brandon> is linux better with games like americas army than windows?
[12:16] <me2win> brandon, why dont you try it out :d
[12:17] <brandon> lol
[12:17] <brandon> i will
[12:17] <brandon> i was just wondering if anyone had experienced any problems
[12:21] <_luca> ciao a tutti
[12:23] <leafw> can anyone on kubuntu-powerpc confirm me that glxgears works on a ssh -X connection?
[12:23] <leafw> doesn't work on Breezy
[12:24] <leafw> but maybe on dapper?
[12:26] <leafw> ARGH
[12:26] <leafw> I need the Xorg to be able to run opengl applications remotely
[12:26] <leafw> bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/27459
[12:26] <leafw> is this fixed on Dapper? Any ppc user around ?
[12:31] <buzinutu> Hi guys: I must say I was very disapointed not to find audacity on the linux list of programs even though it was availble in windows
[12:32] <HymnToLife> buzinutu> it _is_ aailable for linux
[12:32] <buzinutu> total wast of cd space if you ask me
[12:32] <buzinutu> yes availble but not on the ubunutu live CD
[12:32] <leafw> buzinutu: it is, just enable the universe or thetiverse mul
[12:33] <leafw> buzinutu: YES on the live CD: enable the /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <leafw> I mean, the universe/multiver
[12:33] <leafw> and then just sudo apt-get install audacity
[12:33] <leafw> on the livecd
[12:33] <leafw> it will work.
[12:33] <leafw> needs network connection though.
[12:34] <buzinutu> thats my point
[12:34] <leafw> then download 'medialinux'
[12:34] <buzinutu> ??
[12:34] <leafw> has all video/audio/3D-2D graphics apps out there
[12:34] <leafw> it's a liveCD with all those apps.
[12:35] <buzinutu> thanks
[12:35] <leafw> yw
[12:35] <leafw> http://www.mediainlinux.org/
[12:36] <buzinutu> I mean it was on the windows side of the same CD but not on kubunutu side hell none of the windows programs are availble for Linux not even FireFox
[12:36] <buzinutu> A wast of space and memory
[12:37] <leafw> buzinutu: the ubuntu.com guys have their reasons
[12:37] <leafw> whatever
[12:38] <Yannux> someone did setup xgl with kubuntu dapper ?
[12:46] <_mindspin> !dapper
[12:46] <ubotu> The pre-release name for next release of Ubuntu, actual name 6.04. Due 20th April. It is Development Software as such it _May_Break_! > /join #ubuntu+1 < Channel for IRC - Use http://tinyurl.com/rtgxo easy update
[12:47] <treakath> hey all
[12:47] <HymnToLife> !tell treakath about hello
[12:47] <HymnToLife> lmao this thing is stupid, I like it :D
[12:48] <treakath> any1 no where i can download fedora from??
[12:48] <HymnToLife> fedora.redhat.org I assume
[12:49] <qwertyu> need help!!
[12:49] <brandon> why do ppl like linux better than windows
[12:49] <HymnToLife> because it _is_ better
[12:49] <HymnToLife> !helpme
[12:49] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[12:50] <brandon> how is it better?
[12:50] <brandon> lol
[12:50] <brandon> linux=freedom windows=compatibalty
[12:50] <qwertyu> i have a problem with kubuntu.. the problem is, it run smoothly on my machine!
[12:51] <HymnToLife> get a 486 DX
[12:51] <Snake__> qwertyu: oh man...thats bad
[12:51] <HymnToLife> it will fix that :D
[12:51] <Snake__> qwertyu: Quick. Screw something up.
[12:51] <Snake__> :P
[12:51] <qwertyu> but only for 5 minutes..
[12:51] <HymnToLife> you can also run sudo rm -R /
[12:51] <brandon> lol throw it out the window jk...
[12:52] <qwertyu> then my monitor is shut down suddently..
[12:52] <treakath> no its not at that site to download fedora
[12:52] <qwertyu> "warning: input signal out of range"
[12:52] <brandon> oooh thats easy
[12:52] <qwertyu> why is that happened?
[12:52] <brandon> your resolusion is too high
[12:52] <HymnToLife> fedira.redhat.com <= my mistake
[12:53] <HymnToLife> it's beeen a while since I used FC though
[12:54] <treakath> can you find the download page
[12:54] <qwertyu> i use 1280by1024 on mandriva 2006 before but nothing happened on it.
[12:54] <treakath> pleases
[12:54] <Snake__> qwertyu: You could come here and install amarok beta 2... :D
[12:54] <HymnToLife> http://fedora.redhat.com/Download/
[12:55] <brandon> hmmm is your graphics card installed propley and updated drivers?
[12:55] <qwertyu> i have the problem with kubuntu on 1280by768 resolution..
[12:55] <brandon> is everything updated?
[12:56] <qwertyu> i used ATI radeon 9250 graphic card and having 3d acceleration on kubuntu.
[12:57] <brandon> or you could try to change your refreash rete
[12:57] <brandon> rate
[12:57] <qwertyu> las night i've downloaded the new kubuntu iso.
[12:58] <treakath> i dont want that one
[12:59] <qwertyu> i use 60hz 1280x1024 on windows, on linux i use 75hz 1280x768
[12:59] <HymnToLife> treakath> didn't you just ask for the Fedora downloads page ?
[01:00] <qwertyu> is that mean, in linux i have to change the rate to 60hz and the resolution to 1280x1024?
[01:00] <qwertyu> coz the setting work on my windows machine.. :-)
[01:00] <treakath> yea but it got for cd downloads
[01:00] <E-Train> i just upgraded my 512ram to 1gig and after using a number of programs and closing them i only have about 150mb free; not i have firefox, xmms, and konversation open and i only have 24 mb free. whats the deal?
[01:00] <HymnToLife> and what did you want ?
[01:00] <treakath> for
[01:01] <HymnToLife> E-Train> how big is your swap ?
[01:01] <qwertyu> am i right?
[01:02] <treakath> who?
[01:02] <HymnToLife> qwertyu> if it works in windows it will most likely work in linux
[01:02] <E-Train> hymn - how can i check/
[01:02] <E-Train> ?
[01:03] <brandon> what would you ppl recommed firefox or knqueror
[01:03] <HymnToLife> opera :)
[01:04] <brandon> lol
[01:04] <brandon> never used it
[01:04] <HymnToLife> E-Train> sudo fdisk -l
[01:05] <E-Train> looks like about 1.51 gig
[01:06] <HymnToLife> that is more than enough
[01:07] <Snake__> Opera
[01:07] <E-Train> hymn - how do you free up ram then?
[01:11] <E-Train> hymn - how do you free up ram then?
[01:12] <HymnToLife> hmm dunno about that
[01:12] <HymnToLife> all my Ubuntus always worked fine
[01:12] <HymnToLife> !ram
[01:12] <ubotu> HymnToLife: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:13] <E-Train> so you compute with only like 10% resources free?
[01:13] <stephans> have you seen the cool novell desktop gui effects and menu?
[01:14] <stephans> will they be in dapper too?
[01:14] <stephans> 3d effect and a re-designed menu
[01:18] <stevekl> Hey hey
[01:25] <brandon> wtf? i can hear things come thrugh my mic and out my speakers but thats it!!!!
[01:25] <brandon> nothing else has sound
[01:26] <crimsun> pastebin amixer output
[01:26] <crimsun> (presuming you only have one active sound card)
[01:26] <brandon> yes only one
[01:28] <brandon> so u want me to put (pastebin amixer output in the concle?)
[01:28] <brandon> or what?
[01:29] <brandon> lol
[01:29] <HymnToLife> !pastebin
[01:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[01:29] <brandon> ohhh lol got ya
[01:30] <brandon> ahh this is what is says: amixer: Unknown command 'output'...
[01:32] <brandon> ohh nvm
[01:32] <brandon> lol soz
[01:33] <brandon> http://pastebin.com/593606
[01:33] <brandon> there ya go
[01:34] <crimsun> are you actually using the digital output of your speakers?
[01:35] <brandon> ?
[01:35] <brandon> lol
[01:36] <brandon> uhhh.. iam useing sb live output
[01:37] <crimsun> no, are you using normal speakers or hooking the output into a digital stereo receiver, for instance?
[01:37] <Earlb> hey guys... any WoW players in here?
[01:39] <brandon> iam useing normal speakers
[01:40] <crimsun> brandon: then you need to mute 'IEC958'
[01:40] <crimsun> in a Konsole, amixer sset 'IEC958' off
[01:40] <brandon> k i done it
[01:41] <crimsun> now play some music
[01:41] <brandon> one sec
[01:46] <brandon> omg nothing......... ;( :@
[01:46] <stevekl> Hey do any of you experience crashes with krusader when you try to sort by size?
[01:47] <brandon> games music ....nothing..............................
[01:47] <brandon> any other advice
[01:48] <brandon> ?
[01:49] <brandon> anyone?
[01:50] <crimsun> amixer sset 'Exchange Front/Surround' off
[01:50] <crimsun> either that or turn up your 'Surround'
[01:50] <brandon> kk
[01:52] <brandon> nothing that is sooooo weird i can hear me talk thru my mic but i dont have any other kind of sound
[01:53] <brandon> its says mono play back off should it be like that?
[01:54] <DeBert> hey guys, what's the best way to get multimedia working in kubuntu? VLC, mplayer or Xine? Switched from ubuntu recently.
[01:54] <crimsun> brandon: yes
[01:55] <HymnToLife> VLC for me
[01:55] <DeBert> does it embed nicely with konqueror?
[01:55] <crimsun> brandon: why don't you just mute your mic?
[01:55] <brandon> my sound worked with debian
[01:55] <brandon> ahh.... i dont know
[01:55] <brandon> lool
[01:56] <ted> how do you get flash player installed ?
[01:56] <ted> ???
[01:57] <HymnToLife> !flash
[01:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, flash is installation & troublshooting is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:57] <ted> thank you.... I will check it out.... i'm new sorry
[01:58] <HymnToLife> !no flash is <reply> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:58] <ubotu> okay, HymnToLife
[01:58] <HymnToLife> no problem :)
[01:59] <ted> :)
[01:59] <HymnToLife> we all were one day
[02:03] <stevekl> DeBert: I like VLC personally (i'm assuming you mean video playing)
[02:04] <brandon> how to i install codeine 1.0 <~media player its a .tar.bz2
[02:05] <crimsun> brandon: does your sound work yet?
[02:06] <brandon> no....:(
[02:07] <crimsun> is this a dist-upgrade or a fresh install?
[02:08] <brandon> ahh i was ubuntu but i upgrade to kubuntu
[02:08] <crimsun> from hoary-> breezy, or breezy-> dapper?
[02:09] <brandon> breezy
[02:11] <crimsun> ok, so you didn't dist-upgrade at all
[02:11] <crimsun> please unmute and increase all 'Surround' elements, mute the 'Mic'
[02:12] <crimsun> please also mute 'Exchange Center/LFE'
[02:12] <crimsun> then unmute 'Spread Front to Surround and Center/LFE'
[02:12] <brandon> ya i did dist-upgrade, everything is unmuted and the mic is muted
[02:14] <crimsun> wait, you dist-upgraded from hoary?
[02:15] <brandon> i just typed it and it downloaded
[02:15] <brandon> i had ubuntu now i have kubuntu
[02:15] <ryanakca> hmmm... I'm having some booting up trouble... I copied everything from my old hard-drive to my new one (2 partitions... linux and swap). Now I can't get the os to load
[02:15] <brandon> no freash install
[02:15] <ryanakca> and yes, I've checked that the ribbon cables are in the right place :)
[02:15] <kroisis> ok, so I've kubuntu running now...is it possible to turn off al this gnome stuff to give me a 'normal' KDE appearance?
[02:16] <NamShub> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[02:16] <NamShub> then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:16] <crimsun> brandon: right, we don't consider "upgrading" from Ubuntu to Kubuntu a relaese dist-upgrade
[02:16] <ryanakca> I take it that grub/MBR never got transfered over by symantec ghost or something... and also, how do I fix it?
[02:17] <kroisis> NamShub, that sounds very strange...I've already installed kubuntu
[02:17] <brandon> wow i thought this was supposed to be the easy os
[02:18] <crimsun> brandon: please unmute 'Mix'
[02:19] <crimsun> note that 'Surround' and 'LFE' are still set to 0%
[02:19] <crimsun> you can try muting 'Master Mono' and 'Master Surround', too
[02:19] <crimsun> this is more difficult because you haven't told me which sound chipset you're using
[02:20] <brandon> sb live
[02:20] <crimsun> lspci -v ?
[02:21] <crimsun> you should have a toggle that seems to be missing
[02:21] <brandon> Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI
[02:23] <ryanakca> would this work with the knoppix cd? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/phbc50/howtos/how-to_reinstall_grub?highlight=%28grub%29
[02:23] <ryanakca> I dont really feel like downloading a Ubuntu LIVE CD....
[02:23] <crimsun> brandon: you need to pastebin your lspci -v
[02:24] <brandon> is there anyother os that i can use that is more COMPATABLE and easer to use?
[02:25] <ryanakca> brandon: kubuntu and ubuntu work fine... I take it you are new to linux?
[02:25] <crimsun> OS X?
[02:26] <ufo> the OS X great
[02:26] <ufo> is
[02:26] <kroisis> ARGH!...this gnome stuff is driving me BATTY!
[02:26] <ryanakca> OSX also isnt free ( to my knowledge ).... unless you consider the OSX86 project...
[02:26] <brandon> very experienced with visual basic c++ ect and windows but not to filmar when it comes to useing linux as a desktop
[02:27] <kroisis> I -just- want to loose gnome all together...please..someone tell me there -IS- a way....
[02:27] <sorush20> what files do I need to install to be able to boot my usb camera it used to work I dont' know what has gone worng. kde is not auto detecting it
[02:27] <ryanakca> kroisis... are you sure you really want to do that?
[02:27] <ryanakca> kroisis: whats wrong with it?
[02:27] <ryanakca> kroisis: give me an example of something you want to get rid of
[02:28] <crimsun> brandon: I can't assist you until I see that lspci -v output...
[02:28] <kroisis> ryanakca, I am much more used to straight KDE...the menus are pissing me off...
[02:28] <ryanakca> kroisis: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:28] <ryanakca> kroisis: if so, "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop"
[02:29] <kroisis> ryanakca, I ran sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop...still there
[02:29] <brodel> I just went through a set of instructions on installing java. In there it said do sudo bash. I did that, but I am curious as to what that does. There are other parts in there I don't really understand either.
[02:30] <brandon> ahhh i dont know..... i think i just go back to windows... lol i understand that and i was happer with that i have gave linux a try for 2 months but i keep running into problems
[02:30] <kroisis> brodel it opens a terminal in bash under root user (or should)
[02:30] <brodel> don't give up man! BOOO windows!
[02:31] <kroisis> don't even THINK abouyt windows, man!
[02:31] <brandon> lol
[02:31] <kroisis> please
[02:31] <brandon> why you ppl no like windows
[02:31] <kroisis> I'm begging dude
[02:31] <brandon> ?
[02:32] <kroisis> dude, I'll wash your car once a week (if you live in TN/GA) for a month if you WON'T go back to windows
[02:33] <ryanakca> kroisis: I honestly don't know what you could do... but then... I'm no "expert" when it comes to linux... I can figure stuff out by trial and error if its infront of me... but I don't really know what to do...
[02:33] <brandon> lol that would be nice if you lived in missouri lol and my b-day is tomaro ill be 17
[02:33] <kroisis> happy bd
[02:33] <brandon> thanx
[02:33] <brandon> tell me something
[02:33] <brandon> why dont you like windows?
[02:33] <kroisis> why would you say that? (lol)
[02:34] <brandon> iam just wondering
[02:35] <ryanakca> would this work with the knoppix cd? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/phbc50/howtos/how-to_reinstall_grub?highlight=%28grub%29
[02:35] <kroisis> because I have seen too much crap happen on windows systems that has resulted in people having to throw good money after bad just to be able to function in a windows environ...I've seen kids go hungry because of windows...
[02:35] <ryanakca> I dont really feel like downloading a Ubuntu LIVE CD....
[02:35] <brandon> like servers or desktop envorments?
[02:35] <callie> is there any known way to get shockwave to work under linux ?
[02:35] <brandon> ya get firefox
[02:36] <brandon> it was easy for me to get it
[02:36] <brandon> thru firefox
[02:36] <kroisis> callie no problem
[02:36] <brandon> servers i go for linux
[02:36] <callie> kroisis, it seems some shockwave stuff doesnt work
[02:36] <ryanakca> callie: I don't think you can get shockwave for linux
[02:36] <brandon> i got it
[02:36] <kroisis> I've had it
[02:37] <brandon> lol (windows) ;) ?,,,,,,.....????!
[02:37] <brandon> or not
[02:37] <callie> https://pfs.mozilla.org/plugins/?action=missingplugins&mimetype=application/x-director&appID={ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}&appVersion=2005111116&clientOS=Linux%20i686&chromeLocale=en-US
[02:37] <ryanakca> callie: you can't get shockwave...
[02:37] <ryanakca> callie: for linux that is...
[02:38] <ryanakca> kroisis: at least solaris isn't windows :)
[02:38] <callie> thats why i'm asking if there is any way ryanakca, another plugin for example
[02:38] <brandon> now what other that some erros on windows is soo bad i have had pleanty of erros in linux
[02:38] <kroisis> ryanakca, follow callie's link there
[02:39] <ryanakca> kroisis: I know.... you can't get shockwave for linux, and that link supports my claim :)
[02:39] <callie> just make sure we're not confusing shockwave with flash here
[02:39] <brandon> anyone in this room give me 5 reasons why you dont like windows
[02:39] <callie> 1 the price
[02:39] <brandon> lol
[02:39] <brandon> u think i paid for it
[02:39] <brandon> ?
[02:39] <callie> yup
[02:39] <ryanakca> brandon: 2, its not open source
[02:40] <callie> 3 crappy bundled software
[02:40] <brandon> i steel from microsoft every day
[02:40] <callie> 4 no virus protection as standard
[02:40] <ryanakca> yes.... btw... brandon, that claim you just made can get you in deep water...
[02:40] <brandon> open source lol get cracks for the software
[02:41] <kroisis> my bad, I was thinking flash
[02:41] <callie> 5 even solitare sucks on M$
[02:41] <brandon> lol bill gates has like 50 billion dollars so i take
[02:41] <ryanakca> brandon, lets take this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:41] <kroisis> 6 comes with built in virus reception area
[02:41] <ryanakca> brandon, that is, if you want to continue this conversation, if not, nevermind
[02:41] <ryanakca> kroisis: lol
[02:41] <brandon> okay will u be in there?
[02:42] <kroisis> 7. wonderful installers can completely change your system for you
[02:42] <callie> 8 poor theme-a-bilaty
[02:42] <brandon> virus protection just get zonealram trial then find a crack for it then your set
[02:42] <kroisis> 8 no need to 'mess with' all those hard to read manuals, just look at our easy to follow resigistry, try regedit free! (a $700 value!)
[02:43] <callie> brandon, zone alarm is not included in the windows install, we're talking about windows as it stands
[02:43] <kroisis> 9 you can use any browser you want...as long as it's ME
[02:43] <Snake__> How would I format a USB drive in linux
[02:43] <brandon> no i am talking about what it has to offer
[02:43] <Snake__> rather kubuntu
[02:44] <brandon> so what it doesnt come with stuff
[02:44] <brandon> you can always get it for free
[02:44] <callie> dude! you pay all that money and get zip
[02:44] <brandon> lol nope
[02:44] <callie> you're a sucker if you think stealing makes a difference
[02:44] <kroisis> 10 for a limited time only, participate in the windows victimization project where you too can have your OS become completely unsopported after just 5 years!
[02:44] <ryanakca> brandon: open source is much better than closed source because instead of having 50 people working, you can have 2000 people working on it, and each one of them exchanging ideas and progress. things advance much faster. also, you have less chance of bugs, and it ends up being more secure because there isn't a rush to have it done by the date that the CEO set :)
[02:44] <callie> you're jsut supportting them further by even using the OS brandon
[02:45] <ryanakca> Snake__: hmmm... is it mounted?
[02:45] <Snake__> ryanakca: yes
[02:45] <brandon> lol find the source for it then use the lanauage for it and make it your own i do it all the time and do you think i payed for visual basic? no lol
[02:45] <Snake__> ryanakca: it has stuff on it now, but I wanan get rid of it all
[02:46] <kroisis> 11. ...and don't forget our FREE customer tracking systems we've installed to see veverything you are doing...Don't bother calling technical support anymore, we know your having a problem before YOU do and WE'll call you1
[02:46] <Snake__> brb
[02:47] <brandon> listen i never gave a penney for any os or software. oh and customer support is also free u just have to find it like call dell they give free support no matter what
[02:47] <Snake__> Back
[02:47] <kroisis> please note: those previous quotes were sponsored in part by MickeySoft, "where do you think You're going today?(TM)"
[02:47] <callie> dude if you need to call dell for software support you got some problems
[02:47] <Snake__> lol
[02:48] <HymnToLife> +1,000 callie
[02:48] <kroisis> just say "to Dell with it" and install linux!
[02:48] <brandon> i never had to lol they told my friend that it was free
[02:48] <callie> whatever
[02:48] <callie> you say that now
[02:48] <brandon> right.
[02:48] <brandon> lol
[02:48] <Snake__> Kids come on
[02:49] <Snake__> Calm down
[02:49] <callie> anyway
[02:49] <brandon> i dont get it that is it. that is what all the fuss is about
[02:49] <callie> dude, its all about preference
[02:49] <callie> if someone offered you something cool for free would you think they where an asshole brandon ?
[02:49] <Snake__> brandon: No one makes you use linux, if you dont use it, go back to satan, callie stop pushin it on em.
[02:49] <brandon> cause you have to look for free software and support and dont get anything preinstalled?!
[02:50] <callie> Snake__, i dont think i am?
[02:50] <callie> Snake__, he asked a question
[02:50] <HymnToLife> brandon> if you want preinstalled things
[02:50] <HymnToLife> go for Debian
[02:50] <Snake__> callie: Well what the hell are we discussing.
[02:50] <Godric> Snake__: you wanted to format a usb flash drive?
[02:50] <HymnToLife> it had 14 CDs of software, that should be enough
[02:50] <Snake__> Godric: correct
[02:50] <brandon> no i dont like pre-installed things
[02:50] <brandon> lol
[02:50] <callie> Snake__, as far as i'm aware i wasnt discussing anything with you
[02:50] <kroisis> talking about my getting rid of gnome
[02:50] <kroisis> :)
[02:51] <brandon> i was just wondering why ppl hated windows
[02:51] <Snake__> oh well crap brandon ...you asked for it.
[02:51] <brandon> dont even say money
[02:51] <Snake__> sorry callie , carry on.
[02:51] <HymnToLife> I found a funny webstie once (lost the URL though)
[02:51] <robotgeek> brandon: hmm, offtopic maybe. www.microsuck.com
[02:51] <ryanakca> Snake__: here it is: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=420839
[02:51] <kroisis> that question is such troll bait
[02:52] <HymnToLife> the - imaginary - diary of a guy who had used *nix all his life switching to windows
[02:52] <Snake__> thanks ryanakca
[02:52] <brandon> lol i support linux for their servers but not for desktop
[02:52] <callie> Snake__, i dont see why you're picking on me, he asked a question and i answered, i thinks thats how a conversation works
[02:52] <brandon> oh and i like free stuff but i like to work for it
[02:52] <ryanakca> brandon, callie: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[02:53] <Snake__> callie: Thats fine, I didn't see that, and as such I apologized.
[02:53] <callie> ffs
[02:53] <brandon> lol
[02:53] <brandon> iam just a cerious person
[02:53] <ryanakca> brandon, callie: this has nothing to do with kubuntu or ubuntu, and is therefor offtopic :)
[02:53] <callie> ryanakca, chill dude
[02:54] <brandon> it kinda is on topic lol
[02:54] <ryanakca> do you need to use Ubuntu LIVE CD for this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RecoveringGrub    or can you use knoppix
[02:54] <robotgeek> callie: actually, yes. it's gone pretty offtopic
[02:54] <callie> I DONT CARE
[02:54] <callie> its not my question
[02:54] <brandon> lol
[02:54] <ryanakca> callie: Its hard to ask a question when you know its going to go off page within 30 seconds...
[02:54] <brandon> wow one word of windows and its a war
[02:54] <callie> would anyoen else like to bash me?
[02:54] <callie> come on
[02:55] <ryanakca> we're not bashing you...
[02:55] <Earlb> question... when i apt-get things, it keeps giving me an error message about my cdrom drive. shouldn't apt-get be looking on the internet for packages, not on my cd drive?
[02:55] <callie> it feels like it
[02:55] <robotgeek> callie: :)
[02:55] <brandon> lol
[02:55] <Snake__> Oh boy. robotgeek 's got his guns
[02:55] <ryanakca> LOL
[02:55] <ryanakca> this might get dangerous
[02:55] <robotgeek> meh
[02:56] <ryanakca> Snake__: it work?
[02:56] <Earlb> is it a problem with my sources.list?
[02:56] <Snake__> ryanakca: Im figuring out fdisk right now
[02:56] <Snake__> :D
[02:56] <callie> well thanks guys
[02:56] <brandon> linux is comming around on desktop envio but i still would like to see it more..devleoped for my type
[02:56] <robotgeek> callie: hmm, don't leave or anything :)
[02:56] <callie> right now i dont see any reason to stay
[02:57] <Snake__> oh gosh
[02:57] <robotgeek> that's why offtopic talk should stay in offtopic
[02:57] <callie> robotgeek, i wasnt the only one
[02:58] <callie> Snake__ picked me and everyone else dove in
[02:58] <robotgeek> callie: i did mention brandon also
[02:58] <brandon> lol wow
[02:58] <callie> and ryanakca ?
[02:58] <robotgeek> callie: i was having connection problems too, i did not catch the whole convo
[02:58] <Snake__> callie: I apologized to you alright? I explained that I didnt see him ask the question. I apologize.
[02:58] <Snake__> AGAIN
[02:59] <callie> Snake__, well try reading next time
[02:59] <Snake__> ryanakca: For future refrence, gparted can format it :)
[02:59] <Snake__> much easier than fdisk
[02:59] <brandon> well i guess iam going to have to start some windows talk in offtopic
[02:59] <brandon> anyone commin? lol
[02:59] <callie> brandon, you'r welcome to, but its just gonna seem like trolling
[03:00] <brandon> i should be a lawlar
[03:00] <brandon> lol except for spelling
[03:00] <ryanakca> Snake__: aye, I'll look into it :)
[03:00] <callie> yeah, forget those dreams of teaching english
[03:02] <callie> so, erm, would anyone else like shockwave support in linux?
[03:02] <callie> i was thinking we should all petition macromedia
[03:03] <callie> im sure a port would be relatively easy since mac os versions are available and i cant see that being a world away from a linux port
[03:03] <callie> os is this off topic too?
[03:04] <ryanakca> callie: support for whatever in linux is not offtopic :)
[03:05] <ryanakca> callie: internet petitions aren't usually "legitamit", and have no effect whatsoever.
[03:05] <callie> ryanakca, i was thinking more about just mailing them directly ryanakca
[03:05] <callie> oops
[03:07] <ryanakca> callie: go 'head... probably won't do anything, but its worth a try :)
[03:08] <callie> ryanakca, not on my own it wont
[03:46] <ryanakca> hmmm.. I have a question... what would I put in as "root (hd<whatgoeshere>,<whatgoeshere>)" if the /etc/fstab file that knoppix made looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9945
[03:49] <ryanakca> anybody^
[03:49] <ryanakca> ?
[04:19] <Tom_Kidd> !libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.3
[04:19] <ubotu> Tom_Kidd: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:19] <Tom_Kidd> I thought libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.3 was suppose to be in the apt package, which I have.. but Kynaptic says I don't :\
[04:21] <klaus> hey
[04:22] <klaus> anyone in here possibly able to help me?
[04:22] <Tom_Kidd> Shoot
[04:22] <klaus> i've got a sound card prob... how can i set up my sound system thru kunbuntu to work right lol
[04:22] <klaus> i have an after market sound card
[04:22] <klaus> and 5.1 audio
[04:31] <klaus> hello?
[04:31] <klaus> i need hlep...
[04:31] <klaus> help*
[04:31] <robotgeek> !sound
[04:31] <ubotu> sound is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[04:31] <robotgeek> klaus: i'm useless when it comes to sound, sorry
[04:31] <klaus> lol its kool
[04:39] <Thedek> Anyone here familiar with setting up raid1 from the install cd and willing to explain it to me a bit or tell me where to look? =)
[04:43] <root404> What's wrong with "RewriteRule ^links/(.*)$ links.php?cat=$1"? I want it to go from http://domain.org/links/categoryhere to http://domain.org/links.php?cat=categoryhere.
[04:44] <ryanakca> hmmm... I get an error when booting kubuntu: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/593831
[04:44] <robotgeek> root404: ask in #apache?
[04:44] <root404> robotgeek: No one seems to answer...
[04:45] <robotgeek> root404: hmm, google? this is NOT the right channel
[04:45] <robotgeek> unless you are running kubuntu
[04:46] <robotgeek> in which case, i would say "I don't know".
[04:46] <root404> robotgeek: Lol, I am. But the server isn't on it.
[04:56] <Tom_Kidd> !KDE 3.5.1
[04:56] <ubotu> kde 3.5.1 is probably at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[05:03] <elDeuce> where can i find a tutorial of how to burn/install kubuntu
[05:04] <me2win> umm
[05:04] <me2win> burning it? not sure, probably just any website on how to burn an .iso
[05:04] <me2win> !install
[05:04] <ubotu> Installing Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation Installing software on Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSoftware
[05:05] <me2win> that first link
[05:35] <ted> active?
[05:35] <robotgeek> nope
[05:35] <ted> thanks...... was getting worried :)
[05:40] <frank23> I want to change my home directory location,   will  sudo cp -R /home /newlocation   work? then I change the mount point for /home
[05:41] <nirmal> new2irc  hi everybody
[05:42] <ted> hi
[05:42] <beefsprocket> nirmal: channel is sort of dead tonight
[05:42] <nirmal> oh
[05:42] <beefsprocket> just don't take a frosty silence personally :)
[05:42] <ted> kinda late
[05:43] <nirmal> oh ok
[05:43] <nirmal> beefsproket : hi
[05:44] <beefsprocket> nirmal: 'allo  there
[05:44] <nirmal> hello
[05:44] <nirmal> i am from India
[05:44] <beefsprocket> canada here
[05:44] <ted> usa here
[05:44] <nirmal> oh glad to meet you
[05:44] <beefsprocket> indeed
[05:44] <ted> yes
[05:44] <nirmal> hi ted nice meeting you
[05:45] <ted> same here mirmal
[05:45] <beefsprocket> what brings you to the lovely kubuntu irc channel?
[05:45] <nirmal> i am experimenting with all flavours of linux
[05:45] <ted> the quest for knowledge
[05:45] <beefsprocket> excellent
[05:46] <beefsprocket> which have you tried/investigated?
[05:46] <nirmal> when i installed UBUNTU recently
[05:46] <nirmal> also
[05:46] <nirmal> read about kubuntu recently
[05:47] <ted> just loaded it today..... checking it out
[05:47] <nirmal> but didnot get chance to install
[05:47] <nirmal> oh ok
[05:47] <beefsprocket> nirmal: do you have ubuntu installed still?
[05:47] <nirmal> what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu plz
[05:48] <nirmal> no right now i am on kanotix 64
[05:48] <nirmal> on my new machine
[05:48] <beefsprocket> the desktop and window manager and associated apps
[05:48] <callie> Ubuntu is Gnome based and Kubuntu is KDE
[05:48] <beefsprocket> nirmal: callie summed it up there
[05:48] <nirmal> oh ok
[05:48] <nirmal> thank you callie
[05:49] <callie> np
[05:49] <beefsprocket> nirmal: from ubuntu you can install kubuntu with one simple command
[05:49] <beefsprocket> or vice versa
[05:49] <nirmal> what is the size of the distro?
[05:49] <nirmal> 650 Mb?
[05:49] <beefsprocket> sounds about right
[05:49] <ted> fits on one cd
[05:51] <nirmal> one more doubt as i am new to linux
[05:52] <nirmal> can i install any source on any linux and ./configure , make and makeinstall will work?
[05:52] <ted> i know how you feel
[05:53] <nirmal> a day was there when i started with single floppy for busybox and started learning
[05:53] <E-Train> i have dma enabled on my dvd drives but dvd playback is still choppy any tips??
[05:53] <jbeagley> Um, I just tried uninstalling ALSA, so why did it try to uninstall a shitload of other stuff?
[05:54] <crimsun> because ALSA is the default sound subsystem in K/Ubuntu, so naturally removing it will remove lots of other packages that depend on it
[05:55] <jbeagley> Is ALSA really necessary for Konqueror?
[05:55] <crimsun> why yes
[05:55] <jbeagley> Arg.
[05:55] <crimsun> as konqueror depends on kdelibs, which depends on arts, which depends on ALSA
[05:55] <E-Train> i have dma enabled on my dvd drives but dvd playback is still choppy any tips??
[05:56] <nirmal> ted: hi
[05:56] <crimsun> E-Train: is your graphics driver accelerated?
[05:56] <jbeagley> Now if only I knew exactly which packages were uninstalled so I could reinstall them.
[05:56] <ted> hello nirmal
[05:56] <nirmal> how r u
[05:57] <nirmal> i am from India
[05:57] <ted> very tired
[05:57] <ted> going to go to bed
[05:57] <nirmal> oh ok take rest
[05:57] <ted> good night
[05:57] <nirmal> bye , good night
[05:58] <jbeagley> Is there a log for adept so I can find out what was uninstalled?
[05:58] <E-Train> crimsun - i have an nvidia Geforce 3 and the nvidia drivers installed thats it. what do you mean by accelarated?
[05:59] <crimsun> E-Train: make sure your dvd player is using xv output, then
[05:59] <nirmal> beefsproket can you tell me how to install kubuntu and the command plz?
[06:00] <E-Train> crimsun - where do i do that
[06:01] <E-Train> in the software player or somewhere else
[06:04] <E-Train> ??
[06:06] <E-Train> crimsun - i see the setting in totem but i dont know what to do with it
[06:06] <E-Train> I mean i dont see
[06:07] <crimsun> E-Train: totem should use xv by default
[06:07] <crimsun> sometimes you get better performance, depending on your graphics driver's capabilities, by using x11 or gl2 instead of xv
[06:07] <crimsun> for instance, in mplayer you can set the default video output method
[06:08] <E-Train> ok ill mess with it
[06:09] <beefsprocket> nirmal: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:15] <nirmal> once i booted with live kubuntu cd then in the terminal i should issue that command?
[06:16] <beefsprocket> nirmal: sorry, no. once you have booted your installed ubuntu system
[06:17] <nirmal> oh ok i got it thanks
[06:19] <beefsprocket> good
[06:19] <beefsprocket> enjoy
[06:19] <beefsprocket> you'll have to select kde from the gdm menu once you install and restart -- it will look like ubuntu until you login
[06:20] <nirmal> greetings !! ahmed
[06:22] <treakath> is there any uthere site to download fedora from besides fedora.redhat.org
[06:22] <treakath> ?
[06:23] <nirmal> you can from distrowatch.com
[06:23] <nirmal> what ever flavour you want in LINUX :) enjoy
[06:27] <Dasnipa`> linux is like alcohol... some distros are hard, and some are girlie with lots of overhead... your probably best with a nice vodka or gin
[06:28] <Arcanimus> good night all
[06:30] <nirmal> you can choose according to your hardware and requirement the right Linux i hope
[06:32] <treakath> i dont want download for cds of fedora
[06:33] <Dasnipa`> i dont think you need all cds
[06:33] <Dasnipa`> maybe like first 3
[06:33] <Dasnipa`> or 2
[06:33] <Dasnipa`> but i think 3
[06:35] <treakath> any1 here from new zealand???
[06:39] <treakath> ???
[06:44] <treakath> i only wanta use one
[06:44] <treakath> cd
[06:45] <treakath> dasnipa whats a good linux
[06:45] <treakath> imuseing kubntu
[06:46] <treakath> im useing kubuntu
[06:46] <Dasnipa`> treakath, well kubuntu is what i myself use... but it all depends what you need to do with it
[06:46] <Dasnipa`> there is no distinct 'best' but there are highs and lows
[06:47] <treakath> games that my mouse will not go haywia
[06:48] <Dasnipa`> waywire?
[06:48] <Dasnipa`> haywire*
[06:48] <Dasnipa`> well i dont really have a distinct answer for that... i play games just fine within ubuntu
[06:49] <treakath> gose al stupid
[06:49] <Dasnipa`> probably has to do with either your computer itself or the driver you are using for it
[06:49] <Dasnipa`> i doubt its the distros fault
[06:50] <treakath> no its new
[06:50] <Ex-Cyber> I seem to have "lost" my left audio channel in kubuntu 5.10 (only in kubuntu, other OSes are fine) ... what should I look at to get it playing again?
[06:50] <kalenedrael> Open up a terminal and type 'alsamixer', set your volume properly...
[06:51] <treakath> dasnipa are you on amsn???
[06:51] <Dasnipa`> treakath, then it is the driver that you are using
[06:51] <Ex-Cyber> kalenedrael: alsamixer doesn't show separate left and right channel controls
[06:51] <Dasnipa`> amsn?
[06:51] <treakath> msn
[06:51] <kalenedrael> Ex-Cyber, it does, they're in the same bar.
[06:52] <treakath> msn messnger
[06:52] <Ex-Cyber> oh, heh
[06:52] <Dasnipa`> treakath, yes...
[06:52] <kalenedrael> 'Master' should show one bar, in which there are two halves.
[06:52] <treakath> you want my add
[06:53] <treakath> or you can give me yours
[06:53] <Ex-Cyber> hard to see the two halves when one is blank, heh
[06:53] <Dasnipa`> sure... gregdude20@hotmail.com
[06:53] <Ex-Cyber> and there's only one label for both channels
[06:53] <nirmal> dasnipa can you tell me when i tried to install ubuntu 5.10 and  64bit it stalled and said the base kernell install is not done  can you help me pls
[06:53] <kalenedrael> Ex-Cyber, yeah.
[06:53] <treakath> antonne_de_graaf@hotmail.com
[06:54] <Ex-Cyber> for some reason it was just muted in PCM, not master... but AFAIK there's not actually any synth functions in this chip so I'd probably never find a difference
[06:54] <kalenedrael> Everything uses PCM. :P
[06:55] <Ex-Cyber> kalenedrael: thanks
[06:55] <kalenedrael> Yep, no problem.
[06:56] <nirmal> i have assembled 64bit machine with intel mobo and em64T
[06:56] <Ex-Cyber> I actually looked at alsamixer before I even came in here but didn't see anything wrong so I thought arts might have taken a dump or something (I've had it do weird things to me seemingly at random before)
[06:56] <kalenedrael> I think the 64-bit version is only for AMD64s...
[06:57] <kalenedrael> I hate artsd. I usually kill it first thing, before I start anything that wants to play sound.
[06:57] <Ex-Cyber> AMD64 is the name of the instruction set extension
[06:57] <Ex-Cyber> EM64T is Intel's implementation of AMD64; of course they won't use the term "AMD64" for political/marketing reasons
[06:58] <kalenedrael> Yeah, it is.
[06:58] <kalenedrael> I dunno, perhaps I'm confused. I thought there was a difference.
[06:58] <kalenedrael> Maybe that was IA64 vs AMD64.
[06:58] <Ex-Cyber> they're not 100% identical
[06:59] <Ex-Cyber> I think there are differences in addressing limitations
[06:59] <Ex-Cyber> but basically only stuff you should worry about if you're a kernel hacker
[06:59] <nirmal> whats up
[07:00] <kalenedrael> Yeah, since a kernel that works for one might not work for the other...
[07:00] <Ex-Cyber> nirmal: what filesystem did you use for /boot?
[07:00] <nirmal> i have used Ext2..
[07:02] <Ex-Cyber> okay... I learned the hard way that dpkg likes to barf when faced with the prospect of installing to certain weird filesystems ;)
[07:02] <Ex-Cyber> so I just wanted to make sure that wasn't the problem
[07:03] <frank23> I want to upgrade libglib2.0  to debian unstable in order to install the latest mono (from unstable) can I expect any problems doing this? running breezy
[07:37] <widde> blub
[07:43] <raveneye> goodmeurning
[08:13] <ronaldson40> does Kubuntu support Joilet ISO9660
[08:15] <Mars^> Hi i have a question. Can i set the password for a one directory?
[08:53] <m5m> I'm having trouble getting Kubuntu to mount my firewire compact flash card reader; I can't recall if I've done it successfully before since I switched from gnome to kde.... it's not showing up when I mount... any ideas?
[08:55] <m5m> firewire cable secure: check, type 'mount' at command prompt: nothing showing under /media, light on card reader on: check, sudo mount -a; mount|grep media... still nothing.  How can I encourage it to query the firewire channel or interface???
[09:11] <maenty_> any good IDE with compiler for c++ and java for Kopete?
[09:12] <robotgeek> maenty_: that doesn't make any sense
[09:13] <maenty_> robotgeek: In Windows XP I used to have Bloodshed Dev-c++ for c++ and Eclipse for Java
[09:13] <robotgeek> maenty_: you can use kdevelop
[09:13] <maenty_> robotgeek: However, I'm trying to find similar programs for Linux
[09:13] <maenty_> robotgeek: thanks
[09:13] <robotgeek> maenty_: and eclipse is available for linux too
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> kdevelop is good IIRC (not used it in a while)
[09:14] <maenty_> what means "IIRC" ?
[09:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> if i remember correctly
[09:15] <maenty_> roger that
[09:24] <maenty_> Do I need to download some special java RE to use Eclipse ?
[09:24] <maenty_> It seems I have some java-gcj-compat installed..
[09:25] <maenty_> "Java runtime environment using GIJ"
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i expect you will. i don't know for sure
[09:28] <Kingpomba> my torrents done but i don't have any blank media...
[09:28] <Kingpomba> guess ill have to wait till tommrow
[09:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:31] <raveneye> later i hope....
[09:32] <weedar> Ah, finally. My computer was so noisy I started up another computer I have - it totally drowns it out
[09:33] <weedar> ..and that was the last we ever heard from raveneye
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[09:34] <raveneye> whee 3.5.1 ... yeah... suckittome suckittome party party party steeerike.
[09:39] <raveneye> everything seems to work.... even the stuff that did not work before... (it still does not work) ah crap.
[09:39] <weedar> what didn't work before raveneye ?
[09:40] <raveneye> getting thunderbird to open firefox when clicking on a link...
[09:40] <Hobbsee> !thunderbird
[09:40] <ubotu> from memory, thunderbird is a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[09:40] <Hobbsee> raveneye: seen this?  ^
[09:41] <raveneye> ^ ?
[09:41] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: can you do some testing for me?
[09:42] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: after dinner?
[09:42] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: sure, just bookmark the link? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9946
[09:43] <Hobbsee_away> besides, compiling something on my machine at the moment...
[09:44] <weedar> That is _the_ quintessential linux excuse
[09:44] <Hobbsee_away> hehe
[09:44] <Hobbsee_away> true, it's not like i'm compiling koffice again
[09:46] <divansantana> Hello everyone!! Was wondering if we can get OpenOffice.org 2.0.2 into Breezy yet? Via which repository, automatix etc! Anyone know yet??
[09:47] <robotgeek> !automatix
[09:47] <ubotu> from memory, automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications (see !easyubuntu), but it's often best to read the documentation.
[09:48] <divansantana> what about OOo2.0.2? Apparently its a nice upgrade for KDE linux etc...
[09:48] <robotgeek> divansantana: http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/
[09:49] <divansantana> do I add that to sources.list ? How? Thanks!
[09:49] <robotgeek> divansantana: wait
[09:49] <robotgeek> !easysource
[09:49] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:49] <raveneye> thnx ubotu that did the trick been googleing for quite a while and tried "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" and kdesu kcontrol but that dit nothing... glad it works now...
[09:50] <divansantana> will give that a try and hopefully wil get it done! Thanks ubuntu!
[09:50] <robotgeek> divansantana: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/ ./
[09:50] <r1msk1j> hi
[09:50] <Kingpomba> !BurningISO
[09:50] <ubotu> Kingpomba: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:51] <Kingpomba> aww
[09:51] <robotgeek> Kingpomba: just use k3b :)
[09:51] <Kingpomba> does it work on winblows
[09:52] <robotgeek> Kingpomba: hmm, one moment
[09:52] <divansantana> robotgeek: that looks like OOo 2.0.1 not 2.0.2 or am I wrong?
[09:52] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell Kingpomba about burniso
[09:53] <Kingpomba> oh thanks
[09:53] <robotgeek> divansantana: that's as far as you will go on breezy
[09:53] <divansantana> not 2.0.2? howcome?
[09:54] <Kingpomba> it's hoary->breezy->Drapper right ,in ascending order
[09:54] <robotgeek> dapper, yes
[09:55] <Kingpomba> err right
[09:55] <Kingpomba> the dvd version is live and install right?
[09:57] <ilde> hola a todos
[09:58] <maenty> Hi, all
[09:58] <maenty> was there some issue with Java and amd64?
[09:59] <maenty> I'm planning ton install Eclipse for Jave IDE, do I need to install some special java RE also?
[09:59] <robotgeek> maenty: hmm, i think it might be a bad idea, with the java on amd64 "sucking"
[09:59] <maenty> how it's "sucking" ?
[10:00] <robotgeek> maenty: 1.4.2, and i think it's blackdown java
[10:02] <maenty> robotgeek: that one is sucking, you mean?
[10:04] <robotgeek> maenty: yes
[10:21] <maenty> robotgeek: I'll install sun java
[10:21] <robotgeek> maenty: how? chroot?
[10:22] <maenty> robotgeek: 64-bit version manually
[10:22] <robotgeek> maenty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaAMD64 ah
[10:22] <maenty> robotgeek: from java.sun.com
[10:22] <robotgeek> maenty: that will create nice debs for you to install
[10:24] <Kingpomba> will gnome programs work on KDE
[10:26] <robotgeek> Kingpomba: sure
[10:26] <Kingpomba> cool
[10:30] <Tonio_> hello
[10:34] <maenty> ia64 = amd64?
[10:34] <maenty> there seems to be 2 versions of eclipse, x86_64 and ia64
[10:35] <maenty> Does anyone know whether IA64 means amd64 ?
[10:36] <maenty> Just wondering which version to download from here: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.1.2-200601181600/index.php
[10:38] <maenty> what exactly should I do with a file .bin ? I installed java and it is .bin-file,
[10:38] <djclue917> maenty: IA-64 is the architecture of Intel's (purely) 64-bit processors
[10:38] <maenty> I mean downloaded it..
[10:39] <maenty> so what's the difference between IA64 and x86_64? If I have amd64-processor, I should then take x86_64?
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[10:39] <maenty> ok, thanks
[10:39] <djclue917> maenty: x86_64 is the same as AMD64 and EM64T
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> x86_64 is 32bit cpus, made 64 bit (or 16 bit cpus made 64 bit ;D)
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> IA64 is a new architecture
[10:40] <maenty> ok
[10:41] <maenty> how about that .bin file? I tried to start it with ./file.bin, and also doubleclicked it but no effect
[10:41] <maenty> it's java 1-50 and I should install it.
[10:43] <djclue917> maenty: what *.bin file?
[10:43] <djclue917> maenty: you have to make it first executable: chmod +x file.bin
[10:44] <maenty> yes I made it
[10:44] <maenty> but it didn't work
[10:44] <maenty> jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-amd64.bin.bin is the filename
[10:44] <maenty> just downloaded it from sun.java.com
[10:45] <maenty> it has executerights for all
[10:45] <robotgeek> maenty: see the instructions on the wiki page, it will ease a lot of pain, seriously
[10:45] <maenty> it says: bash: ./jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-amd64.bin.bin: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[10:46] <Hobbsee> stick sudo in front of it?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> but why do you have .bin.bin?  why not just one .bin?
[10:47] <djclue917> maenty, you could just use the java-package package to create a DEB file out of that installer
[10:48] <maenty> robotgeek: I couldn't find .bin installation instructions in the wiki
[10:48] <maenty> Hobbsee: I don't know, it was .bin.bin immediately after downloading it.. I was wondering that .bin.bin myself too
[10:48] <robotgeek> maenty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaAMD64 method 2
[10:48] <Hobbsee> hmmm weird
[10:49] <maenty> thanks robotgeek
[10:50] <maenty> is that fakeroot a command or should i tpe something else at that point ?
[10:50] <robotgeek> maenty: please read the whole article, you have to install fakeroot
[10:51] <djclue917> you don't actually need fakeroot to make the deb file out of the java package
[10:51] <finite9> Hope someone can help...i upgraded to 3.5.1 and now, I cannot logout of KDE without getting a black screen - login screen does not re-appear and eventually after many CTRL-ALT-ESC/[Backspace]  etc, the laptop reboots.  Any suggestions?
[10:51] <djclue917> you could just use sudo. but since you don't really need root privileges, just use fakeroot
[10:52] <djclue917> finite9: are you sure you upgraded the whole KDE to 3.5.1? maybe some packages were not upgraded or were broken
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> is that 'shut down' log out, or is that 'i want to change user' logout?
[10:53] <Hobbsee> finite9: tried running sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart?
[10:53] <finite9> Kamping_Kaiser: its logout - shutdown and reboot work fine, as does CTRL-ALT-Backspace, but normal logout just results in a black screen
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> check your install like djclue917 sugested
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee:  what KDE does dapper run?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: 3.5.1
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[10:54] <Hobbsee> 3.5.2 will be in a separate repo, when it comes out, i think
[10:54] <finite9> djclue917: not entirely sure its kde, just suspicion - I added the repo from Kubuntus homepage and then did an upgrade in Synaptic, so I assume that it all went fine
[10:55] <djclue917> oh...
[10:55] <maenty> damn.. making the .deb didnt work
[10:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> what does KDE use for it's out/login backend? could it be loging out and failing to restart the sesion?
[10:55] <maenty> sh: gcc: command not found
[10:55] <maenty> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[10:55] <djclue917> finite9: did you already tried sudo apt-get install -f?
[10:55] <finite9> Hobbsee: no i havent - will try it out later
[10:56] <djclue917> maenty: i think you need gcc..
[10:56] <djclue917> maenty: you could try sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:56] <maenty> strange if gcc is not installed in kubuntu as default
[10:57] <djclue917> maenty: yeah the build tools are not really installed by default
[10:57] <maenty> djclue917: that build-essential will install gcc and some other essential tools?
[10:57] <djclue917> maenty: yes
[10:57] <djclue917> maenty: gcc-4.0 specifically
[10:58] <maenty> djclue917: I'll do that, thanks
[10:58] <finite9> djclue917: when i upgrade kubuntu breezy to kde 3.5.1, i just added the repository link available on Kubuntu homepage, then when I did an update in Adept/Synaptic, it showed that the KDE packages could be upgraded, so I just upgraded every package that was upgradable.  I have the universe repo as well as standard repo--I dont have any other repos enabled
[10:59] <djclue917> finite9: did you added Jonathan Riddell's key as well?
[10:59] <djclue917> finite9: i don't really know if those KDE packages were all upgraded because I don't use synaptic very often.
[11:00] <maenty> still problem.. "No matching plugin was found."
[11:00] <finite9> djclue917: yeah, I had to do that as part of something else when I first installed - ive following so many wiki guides on Ubuntu webpage ive forgotten everything ive done
[11:00] <maenty> before that: "Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk-doc.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk-doc.sh sun-j2sdk.sh"
[11:00] <finite9> could it be due to some theme or window decoration I have installed or a screen saver?  Ive been really messing with my theme lately.
[11:01] <maenty> I guess there is no plugin for java-1.5.0-06
[11:01] <djclue917> maenty: that's strange... are you sure that your java package isn't corrupted?
[11:02] <maenty> djclue917: it should be ok. just downloaded it with firefox, a moment ago
[11:02] <maenty> djclue917: however, there is strange .bin.bin extenstion
[11:03] <finite9> got disconnected :(
[11:05] <djclue917> maenty: rename the file so that it would have only one .bin extension
[11:05] <djclue917> maenty: then try it again
[11:06] <maenty> ok
[11:07] <maenty> works
[11:29] <finite9> does anyone know where I can download a system monitoring tool - real-time??  I keep seeing screenshots with these desktop transparent windows where they have real-time CPU mointor/disk activity monitor/net monitor, plus system info like kernel ver. and kde build.
[11:30] <finite9> i went over to kde-looks.org to get some icons/themes, and thats where I saw the monitors, but I cannot find any that resemble them on kde-apps
[11:31] <djclue917> finite9: i think you're talking about the SuperKaramba themes
[11:44] <cA1mAn> hello, i wanted to try the kubuntu breezy live-cd but what is the login/password (s)? thanks
[11:45] <cafeclop|kay> Bonjour
[11:45] <cA1mAn> i mean the default one
[11:46] <cA1mAn> which i was prompted to ener
[11:46] <cA1mAn> enter
[11:46] <cafeclop|kay> I got little problem
[11:47] <cA1mAn> hmm... anyone? please just tell me the default password for a demo :-)
[11:47] <finite9> djclue917: do you only get it if you install that theme?  ok - ill search for it.  thanks!
[11:48] <cafeclop|kay> When I try to configure my wifi by settings:/system it ask for the root pass if I want to change something. I give my user pass, don't work, I give my root pass (after making sudo passwd root), don't work... I tryed sudo konqueror, then launch the, conf, don't work...
[12:27] <cA1mAn>  hello, can anybody help me with the KUbuntu Live-CD: I want to test kubuntu so i burned it and booted it - with no problems. However, I can NOT access to my (windows-) folders like i could with knoppix... what is to do?
[12:28] <stoned> hi
[12:28] <stoned> i dunno if anyone cares
[12:28] <stoned> http://bungs.dontexist.com/adblock.txt <-- a very comprehensive adblock list for konqueror
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: ^^
[12:28] <Riddell> stoned: what's the copyright?
[12:28] <stoned> i just put it together
[12:28] <stoned> its hosted on myip
[12:28] <stoned> if you look
[12:28] <Tonio_> yep
[12:29] <Tonio_> stoned: very nice I must say
[12:29] <stoned> thanks
[12:29] <stoned> just trying to do my part
[12:29] <stoned> i got sick of firefox eating up ram and resources
[12:29] <Tonio_> stoned: the problem is that it is very static...
[12:29] <stoned> and the rendering eingine is so slow
[12:29] <stoned> Tonio_, well you can't have regex in adblock
[12:30] <stoned> thats the kde dev team
[12:30] <Tonio_> can that really compare to one of those  with regexp ?
[12:30] <stoned> Tonio_, sure it can
[12:30] <Tonio_> stoned: yes, I build an ablock filters list with rexexp
[12:30] <Tonio_> regexp
[12:30] <stoned> Tonio_, in konqueror?
[12:30] <Tonio_> stoned: yes
[12:30] <stoned> you can't use anything but wildcard regex in konq.
[12:31] <Tonio_> latest settings package adds a defualt konqueror config with a set of adblock filters
[12:31] <Tonio_> maybe merging your with the regexp I've add is a good thing :)
[12:31] <stoned> im using kde3.5 on debian sid
[12:31] <Tonio_> stoned let me test yours;)
[12:32] <cA1mAn> Need some help, please: How can Iaccess to my (windows-) folders in Kubuntu live-CD? (to play music for example)
[12:33] <Tonio_> stoned: first test with your list : http://planetemu.net/
[12:33] <Tonio_> my personnal website, and the ad is still there.
[12:33] <Tonio_> due to the fct I'm using a french service
[12:34] <Tonio_> stoned: well I may have a look more carefully and merge our lists maybe ;)
[12:34] <stoned> adv.surinter.net
[12:34] <stoned> just add that to the file
[12:34] <stoned> may I see yours?
[12:34] <killian> does anyone have the original kubuntu 6.04 sources.list file?
[12:34] <Tonio_> stoned sure
[12:34] <Tonio_> let me sho you
[12:34] <Tonio_> show
[12:34] <stoned> killiaan google for source-o-matic and generate one
[12:35] <killian> the thing is i need the cd again as a source for the repos
[12:35] <killian> i played with the sources.list files and lost the cd as a source for repos
[12:35] <stoned> go to #ubuntu and ask them how to add a cdrom to the apt sources lit
[12:35] <stoned> or you can just use apt-setup
[12:35] <stoned> and add a cdrom repos
[12:35] <killian> and when i try to install something, it says BROKEN
[12:35] <killian> ok
[12:35] <killian> thx
[12:36] <Tonio_> stoned: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adblock.txt
[12:36] <stoned> well if konq can use reged
[12:36] <stoned> regex
[12:36] <Hobbsee> killian: sudo apt-cdrom add
[12:36] <Tonio_> stoned, I tried to find the best compromiss between full static and heavy regexp
[12:36] <Tonio_> stoned: sure it does ;)
[12:37] <stoned> then simply use the piercieve filterlist.G for firefox adblock
[12:37] <killian> ok
[12:37] <stoned> http://www.pierceive.com/filtersetg/2006-03-08a.txt
[12:37] <cA1mAn> if not here, where should i ask my question then? thanks
[12:37] <Tonio_> stoned: the pierceive one isn't gpl
[12:37] <stoned> so who gives a fuck
[12:37] <Tonio_> so we cannot redistribute it freely
[12:37] <stoned> you just gonna use it right
[12:37] <stoned> or are yo planing on redistributing
[12:37] <Tonio_> this is the reason I rebuilt another one
[12:38] <stoned> oh ok
[12:38] <stoned> yeah
[12:38] <Hobbsee> stoned: language, please
[12:38] <stoned> how can i make konq. have regex in adblock
[12:38] <stoned> sorry
[12:38] <Tonio_> stoned, it'll be added by default on dapper's konq
[12:38] <stoned> it slipped out
[12:38] <Tonio_> so that's redistribution :)
[12:38] <stoned> i dont' use ubuntu man
[12:38] <Tonio_> stoned: dunno, it always worked for me
[12:38] <stoned> i gave it a shot, don't like it
[12:38] <stoned> use debian sid instead myself
[12:38] <Tonio_> hum......
[12:39] <Tonio_> dunno why it doesn't work for you
[12:39] <stoned> plenty of reasons
[12:39] <Tonio_> there is not specific kde compilation option for this
[12:39] <stoned> sudo == evil
[12:39] <stoned> first pet peeve
[12:39] <Tonio_> stoned: can be removed
[12:39] <stoned> course it can
[12:39] <stoned> secondly, its too much dumbed down
[12:39] <Tonio_> and well, sudo isn't evil in my view
[12:40] <stoned> thirdly, #ubuntu has a mere few competent people
[12:40] <Tonio_> second reason is indeed a good one, but it is greatly improved in dapper
[12:40] <cA1mAn> Need some help, please: How can Iaccess to my (windows-) folders in Kubuntu live-CD? (to play music for example)
[12:40] <stoned> fourthly, I am quite advanced for the distro made for human beings
[12:40] <Tonio_> breezy's kubuntu cannot be considered "mature"
[12:40] <stoned> but seriously
[12:40] <stoned> who else is gonna use linux
[12:40] <stoned> eels?
[12:40] <stoned> course humnans are gonna use the damn thing
[12:40] <Tonio_> stoned: that's tipically the "l33t" speaking I can't stand
[12:41] <stoned> retarded choice of a name imo
[12:41] <Tonio_> arguying "I need something more complex"
[12:41] <stoned> its not that I need something more complex
[12:41] <stoned> I'm used to debian sid
[12:41] <stoned> years upon years
[12:41] <stoned> I gave ubuntu a shot, didn't like it
[12:41] <Tonio_> you can custom any linux, even mandriva, to use it with shell, emacs, and all geek stuff if you want ;)
[12:41] <Tonio_> beeing used is a point of view
[12:41] <stoned> I also don't like the packaging structure
[12:41] <stoned> well of course its my point of view
[12:42] <stoned> im the one using it
[12:42] <stoned> heh
[12:42] <Tonio_> saying "I'm too advanced or those desktop based distros" is....
[12:42] <stoned> I am
[12:42] <stoned> i can't dig it
[12:42] <Tonio_> well, pretentious
[12:42] <stoned> not necesserily
[12:42] <stoned> its a matter of preference
[12:43] <stoned> I don't jerk off to the fact that I use linux instead of microsoft or that i use unstable instead of stable, its a pc, which needs to do my work for me, simple as that
[12:43] <Tonio_> stoned, I can use a slackware to build an opendlap directory manually, all redundant, using clustering with dbrd and heartbeat
[12:43] <killian> any ideas why i get BREAK (install) when i try to install a package with adept?
[12:43] <Tonio_> I don't, really don't have the feeling of beeing "to advance for those 'normal people' based distros"
[12:44] <Tonio_> but well, that's your point of view....
[12:44] <stoned> you totally missed my point
[12:44] <stoned> i dn't have the energy to go into it again
[12:44] <Tonio_> I'm reading ;)
[12:44] <cA1mAn> why don't you help a newbie? :-( How can Iaccess to my (windows-) folders in Kubuntu live-CD? (to play music for example)
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tonio_: open up a terminal and type `sudo apt-get -f install` and see if that fixes you up
[12:45] <Tonio_> Kamping_Kaiser: ???? where did I say I was needing a fix? :)
[12:45] <stoned> cA1mAn, you need to create a mount point, and mount the ntfs volumes, given kubuntu live cd ships with a stock ntfs kernel module
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tonio_: sorry
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was refering to something up there ^
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> killian: to be exact :$
[12:45] <Tonio_> stoned: well "its a pc, which needs to do my work for me" -> does it reguarding to regexp ? nope
[12:46] <cA1mAn> stoned, thanks, will try to google that
[12:46] <Tonio_> stoned: and as a "too advanced user for desktop linux", you are de facto able to resolv your problem by yourself
[12:46] <Tonio_> IMO
[12:46] <stoned> man
[12:46] <stoned> you're still going on about it
[12:46] <stoned> *sigh*
[12:47] <Tonio_> hehe, I love those "nobody will change is point of view" debates ;)
[12:47] <killian> the problem i cannot solve right now is UNMET DEPENDENCIES
[12:47] <killian> should i add more repos?
[12:47] <stoned> killian
[12:47] <stoned> listen to me sir
[12:47] <killian> ok
[12:47] <stoned> please go to this website
[12:47] <stoned> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:48] <Hobbsee> !repos
[12:48] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[12:48] <Hobbsee> far easier
[12:48] <stoned> chose the repositories that you want, one or all
[12:48] <killian> great, i'll try that
[12:48] <stoned> then save it somewhere
[12:48] <stoned> then simply sudo cp source-o-matic(or the filename you save as) /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:49] <stoned> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:49] <stoned> that should hopefuly fix any broken crap from here and there
[12:49] <killian> i'm using kubuntu, not ubunt
[12:49] <killian> i'm using kubuntu, not ubuntu
[12:49] <stoned> only chose the repositories that you want
[12:49] <killian> i hope it doesnt matter
[12:49] <stoned> kubutnu == ubuntu with kde
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> it doesnt
[12:49] <killian> ok
[12:50] <Hobbsee> stoned: well, kubuntu = ubuntu with kde, but without gnome
[12:51] <stoned> essentially ubuntu is ubuntu without gnome
[12:51] <killian> yep, i know
[12:51] <killian> it seems to me kde is better than gnome
[12:51] <stoned> its not a matter ofbetter/worse
[12:51] <stoned> its only preference
[12:52] <stoned> a very relative matter, otherwise known as potential desktop war
[12:52] <stoned> try to avoid
[12:52] <killian> corect
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:53] <stoned> oh my god
[12:53] <stoned> i wish food tasted this good
[12:54] <stoned> this weed tastes like berries and fruit punch and it smells awesome and it packs a mighty punch
[12:54] <stoned> anyway
[12:54] <avu> uh, /me gets weedgreed
[12:54] <stoned> how do I get konqueror to do adblock with regexp not just wildcard regexp
[01:00] <killian> adept complains about MIME TYPES? is that important?
[01:08] <killian> weather
[01:12] <killian> i've got i problem! i cannot write cds at all with kubuntu
[01:13] <killian> i'm using 6.04 development branch
[01:13] <Hobbsee> use k3b?
[01:13] <killian> yes
[01:13] <killian> it complained about missing cdrdao
[01:13] <killian> i copied it from a fedora install, since the .deb package failed to download/install
[01:14] <Hobbsee> !+info cdrdao
[01:14] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 373 kB, Installed size: 1064 kB
[01:14] <Hobbsee> !+info cdrdao dapper
[01:14] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.2.1-2ubuntu1 (dapper), Packaged size: 390 kB, Installed size: 1048 kB
[01:14] <Hobbsee> it should be in the ubuntu repos, then
[01:14] <killian> the thing is, cdrdao was listed by adept
[01:14] <killian> but wouldnt install
[01:15] <killian> anyway
[01:15] <killian> i cant write cds
[01:15] <killian> and i dont know how to solve this
[01:15] <killian> i rebuild k3b from sources
[01:15] <killian> it still doesnt write
[01:16] <killian> in fact, i downloaded many linux cd writing apps
[01:16] <killian> none work
[01:19] <Tonio_> killian: sudo dpkg --purge cdrdao && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[01:20] <Tonio_> killian: and be sure not to use external repos would could put a mess
[01:20] <Tonio_> I use dapper too, works nice here
[01:20] <killian> thx, i'll try that
[01:21] <maenty> how can I set shell-window so that just by marking it will copy
[01:22] <maenty> so I don't have to right click and choose "copy"
[01:23] <visik7> is there something like gtk style and fonts for gtk1 ?
[01:37] <jind> stoned: I care about adblocking in konqueror
[01:37] <jind> But do I need a special plugin to use the list?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> jind: i think it's there by default - check the configure section
[01:41] <jind> It isn't there. I'll google it :-)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> jind: settings, configure konq, adblock filters, enable,
[01:43] <Hobbsee> import button, import the file
[01:46] <jind> I unfortunately don't have that option
[01:47] <killian> if my dvd writer isn't supported by cdrdao and i cant write cds/dvds, is it because my drive is unsupported by cdrdao?
[01:47] <killian> none of cdrdao's frontends, like k3b, work
[01:49] <visik7> killian: and cdrecord works ?
[01:49] <killian> the thing is, i cant write cds/dvd
[01:49] <killian> i cant install cdrdao
[01:49] <killian> i copied the executable cdrdao from a fedora install
[01:50] <killian> Unpacking cdrdao (from .../cdrdao_1%3a1.1.9-3ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[01:50] <killian> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cdrdao_1%3a1.1.9-3ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:50] <killian>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/cue2toc', which is also in package cue2toc
[01:50] <killian> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[01:50] <killian> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:50] <killian>  /var/cache/apt/archives/cdrdao_1%3a1.1.9-3ubuntu3_i386.deb
[01:50] <killian> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:50] <killian> that is the log of apt when i try to install cdrdao
[01:51] <killian> i dont know what the problem is
[01:55] <jind> killian:  You should never use another distros package. Instead, either install from source or better, find apt-get sources for cdrdao and install from apt-get
[01:59] <Kabal> Hi all :)
[01:59] <Kabal> Can somebody help me with ksysguard?
[02:02] <Kabal> lot of people.. doing nothing here?
[02:02] <crimsun> asking a specific question concisely always helps.
[02:03] <Kabal> oke.. I did did I?
[02:03] <Kabal> but nm
[02:04] <Kabal> ask somewhere else
[02:11] <dipnlik> Kabal: maybe if you say what is your problem, someone can help you :)
[02:16] <Kabal> I run with Kubuntu 5.10 for some time now.. and I've added Ksysguard to my bar next to the clock.
[02:16] <Kabal> everything great.. even added to monitors for eth0 and eth1
[02:16] <Kabal> But this morning I've done some key combo.. and I had to restart my pc.
[02:16] <Kabal> after restart... ksysguard gave me an error.
[02:16] <Kabal> now all four monitors are completly black..
[02:16] <Kabal> I've removed all monitors.. and when I add a monitor and drag a CPU0/User Load (for example) It asks Connect to host..
[02:17] <Kabal> Can't seem to get it back as original.. :(
[02:19] <JohnFlux> Kabal: do File->Load standard hosts
[02:19] <JohnFlux> standard sheets rather
[02:22] <Kabal> Ok I did.. Then when I drag a option to the bar it will ask what type I want.. I choose Signal Plotter.
[02:23] <JohnFlux> Kabal: go back.  When you load the standard sheets, does it all work?
[02:23] <Kabal> The a new screen comes up.. asking Coonect to Host.. but what I do.. nothing will help to get my monitors back...
[02:24] <JohnFlux> Kabal: when you load the standard sheets, you should have the 4 monitors in one tab, and a process list in the other
[02:24] <JohnFlux> Kabal: does that happen?
[02:24] <Kabal> yes
[02:24] <JohnFlux> Kabal: and do they work?
[02:24] <JohnFlux> are you seeing the information
[02:25] <Kabal> you mean the systemload tab?
[02:26] <Kabal> all 4 monitors in KDE System Guard works..
[02:26] <tristan_> Hello, when I use the list display in Konqueror, the files are written in green. How can I change this color to another?
[02:27] <JohnFlux> Kabal: okay good
[02:27] <Kabal> but when I drag a integer value to the little monitors beneith in my taksbar.,, it asks for a connection to host
[02:27] <JohnFlux> Kabal: now what are you doing? draging CPU0/User Load  into one of the existing monitors?
[02:27] <JohnFlux> Kabal: or making a new tab?
[02:28] <kimo> will ubuntu make my ipw2200 WLAN card work automagically ?
[02:29] <Kabal> look when I added for the fist time the ksysguard applet in my taksbar.. I got 2 little monitors.. I've made 2 more extra.. so I've got 4 now.
[02:29] <Kabal> but all of them won't work anymore..
[02:29] <JohnFlux> right so I'm trying to take you back to the basics
[02:29] <JohnFlux> to see where it breaks
[02:30] <Kabal> oke :)
[02:31] <JohnFlux> I can't seem to replicate it :/
[02:31] <Kabal> When I add a Integer Value.. It asks for a connection type.. I think that's for remote stuff.. but how do I connect a value to local
[02:32] <JohnFlux> Kabal: if you do "ifconfig"  does lo have the ip 127.0.0.1 ?
[02:33] <Kabal> yes it does.. :)
[02:33] <JohnFlux> Kabal: hmm
[02:33] <Kabal> I think a file is damaged maybe?
[02:33] <JohnFlux> Kabal: I don't really know.  I did fix a load of bugs in that area
[02:33] <Kabal> could that happen?
[02:33] <JohnFlux> (I'm the maintainer)
[02:34] <JohnFlux> ;-)
[02:34] <Kabal> nais :)
[02:34] <Kabal> great work then JohnFlux
[02:34] <Kabal> haha
[02:34] <Kabal> jk :)
[02:34] <JohnFlux> :-P
[02:34] <JohnFlux> I'm working hard on it though ;)
[02:34] <Kabal> but for real.. this morning it all worked like a charm
[02:35] <JohnFlux> hmm
[02:35] <Kabal> I got CPU MEM ETH0 ETH1
[02:35] <Kabal> 3 values per monitor.
[02:35] <Kabal> some even 4
[02:36] <Kabal> really nice to have "when it works" hehe
[02:36] <Kabal> there is no easy way to reinstall ksysguard? When I try.. whole KDE will be uninstalled. :S
[02:36] <Kabal> \
[02:37] <JohnFlux> Kabal: can you dcc:   ~/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/KSysGuardApplet.xml
[02:37] <JohnFlux> Kabal: you can then delete that file
[02:37] <JohnFlux> Kabal: dcc it to me first so I can try to debug for the future
[02:37] <JohnFlux> deleting that file should fix your problem
[02:37] <Kabal> dcc: ~/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/KSysGuardApplet.xml
[02:37] <Kabal> bash: dcc:: command not found
[02:37] <JohnFlux> Kabal: hehe, do it here
[02:37] <JohnFlux> in your irc app, type:
[02:38] <JohnFlux>  /dcc send johnflux ~/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/KSysGuardApplet.xml
[02:38] <Kabal> DCC Unknown command
[02:38] <JohnFlux> hmm :/
[02:38] <Kabal> Opera 9 here
[02:38] <JohnFlux> i don't know it
[02:38] <JohnFlux> right click on my name or something
[02:38] <JohnFlux> there will be a way to send a file to me
[02:39] <JohnFlux> or put the file at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:39] <JohnFlux> that's probably easier
[02:41] <visik7> I've follow this guid http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=107135 but gtk1 apps still so ugly
[02:41] <visik7> how can I fix ?
[02:41] <Kabal> do you get the file now?
[02:41] <Kabal> It should
[02:42] <JohnFlux> Kabal: what did you do with it?  put in the pastebin?
[02:42] <killian> any idea why lm_sensors doesn't work?
[02:43] <JohnFlux> Kabal: where did you put the file?
[02:43] <Kabal> whent to site...
[02:43] <Kabal> and filled in
[02:44] <Kabal> Can you see it?
[02:44] <JohnFlux> Kabal: you need to tell me the url
[02:44] <JohnFlux> ;)
[02:44] <Kabal> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[02:44] <Kabal> <!DOCTYPE KSysGuardApplet>
[02:44] <Kabal> <WorkSheet sizeRatio="1" dockCnt="4" interval="2" >
[02:44] <Kabal>  <display topBar="1" vColor="6853833" title="User" dock="0" bColor="3223601" graphStyle="0" class="FancyPlotter" unit="" hScale="1" showUnit="0" hLines="1" hCount="5" vLines="1" autoRange="1" min="0" max="0" hColor="6853833" globalUpdate="1" pause="0" fontSize="9" labels="1" vScroll="1" vDistance="30" >
[02:44] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="cpu0/user" hostName="localhost" color="1608191" sensorType="integer" />
[02:44] <Kabal>  </display>
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[02:44] <Kabal> this?
[02:44] <Kabal> :)
[02:44] <JohnFlux> ;)
[02:45] <Kabal> even better? :)
[02:45] <JohnFlux> Kabal: just for kicks, could you do "ping localhost"  and check it does resolve to 127.0.0.1
[02:45] <JohnFlux> Kabal: I see nothing wrong with the fil
[02:45] <JohnFlux> file
[02:46] <Kabal> JohnFlux: ping localhost
[02:46] <Kabal> PING localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:47] <Kabal> But please what's up with asking for a connection? when I drag a value to the little monitors
[02:48] <JohnFlux> Kabal: something is going wrong when it looks up localhost
[02:48] <JohnFlux> Kabal: possibly what is happening is ksysguardd is crashing
[02:48] <JohnFlux> Kabal: maybe one of the sensors..  I don't know
[02:49] <Kabal> When I add a value.. ask properties go to sensors I see status: error
[02:49] <JohnFlux> and the host says "localhost" right?
[02:49] <JohnFlux> very strange :/
[02:49] <JohnFlux> type "ps | grep ksysguardd"
[02:49] <Kabal> yes
[02:49] <JohnFlux> type "ps aux | grep ksysguardd"
[02:50] <JohnFlux> visik7: I did see your question but I don't know sorry.  Don't use gtk apps? *grins*
[02:50] <Kabal> 8605  2.0  0.1   2256  1024 ?        S    14:19   0:36 ksysguardd     8693  0.0  0.0   2940   576 pts/5    R+   14:50   0:00 grep ksysguardd
[02:50] <Kabal> 8605  2.0  0.1   2256  1024 ?        S    14:19   0:36 ksysguardd
[02:50] <Kabal> 8693  0.0  0.0   2940   576 pts/5    R+   14:50   0:00 grep ksysguardd
[02:51] <JohnFlux> thanks.  that looks fine
[02:51] <JohnFlux> I don't know ;/
[02:51] <famille> hi - i have some troubles upgrading my 5.10 to kde 3.5.1 : apt-get dist-upgrade shows the infamous "The following packages have been kept back"...
[02:51] <JohnFlux> Kabal: I'm rewriting a large amount of it for kde4
[02:51] <JohnFlux> Kabal: Hopefully it will be a lot more solid for kde4
[02:51] <Kabal> oke :)
[02:51] <Kabal> nice :)
[02:51] <Kabal> Yes I hope so too :) cuz it's really a GREAT tool :D
[02:52] <JohnFlux> Kabal: I've just add antialiasing and bezier curves to the signal plotter ;)
[02:52] <famille> it's probably a faq but couldn't find the information anywhere :(
[02:52] <visik7> JohnFlux: a program to encode divx that is no dvdrip (that is in gtk1 ?)
[02:52] <JohnFlux> famille: give an example for what packages are held back
[02:52] <vijay> hi, everyone, is there any gui applet to know when network is disconnectd, because my connection is a problmatic connection
[02:53] <Kabal> when value added in one monitor I see a connector with a flash in it...
[02:53] <JohnFlux> vijay: on the console, you can use mii-tool ;)
[02:53] <vijay> johnFlux:ok i'll try
[02:53] <JohnFlux> vijay: sudo mii-tool --watch
[02:53] <famille> john http://pastebin.com/594374
[02:54] <JohnFlux> famille: pick one, and do apt-get install kwin     etc
[02:54] <JohnFlux> famille: tell me what the error message is
[02:56] <famille> john http://pastebin.com/594382
[02:57] <JohnFlux> famille: apt-get install kdelibs4c2
[02:58] <JohnFlux> Kabal: btw, to fix for now you can delete that file I said
[02:58] <JohnFlux> Kabal: ~/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/KSysGuardApplet.xml
[02:58] <Kabal> ah oke :)
[02:58] <Kabal> Thanx I will do that right away :)
[02:58] <famille> JohnFlux: http://pastebin.com/594385
[02:58] <Kabal> btw this is a other explanation
[02:58] <Kabal> I wanted to have a monitoring in the task bar on the hard disk usage of
[02:58] <Kabal> my machine (localhost) and I found out that the ksysguard applet handle
[02:58] <Kabal> should be able to do that. So far so good.
[02:58] <Kabal> I then wanted to set it up. It suggests to drag and drop the sensor into
[02:58] <Kabal> the applet cell. After having done that, it asks for the connection type
[02:58] <Kabal> (ssh, rsh, Deamon, custom). I tried them all but always finish up with a
[02:58] <Kabal> non working sensor (with a small drawing indicating so).
[02:59] <Kabal> That's my problem hehe
[02:59] <JohnFlux> Kabal: it should not ask for the connection type
[02:59] <JohnFlux> I can't see why it would
[02:59] <JohnFlux> :/
[03:00] <Kabal> I deleted the file..
[03:00] <Kabal> after refresh It came back..
[03:01] <Kabal> it asks for the connection type
[03:01] <Kabal> 
[03:01] <Kabal> 	(ssh, rsh, Deamon, custom).
[03:01] <JohnFlux> :/
[03:01] <JohnFlux> you want daemon on localhost
[03:01] <JohnFlux> but it shouldn't do that!! ;)
[03:01] <JohnFlux> Kabal: kill ksysguard
[03:01] <JohnFlux> Kabal: and rerun it
[03:01] <Kabal> oke :)
[03:02] <Kabal> kill: ksysguard: arguments must be process or job IDs
[03:02] <djclue917> Kabal: killall -KILL ksysguard
[03:03] <Kabal> no process killed
[03:03] <Kabal> did it by hand I think
[03:03] <djclue917> Kabal: so it means ksysguard is not running...
[03:03] <Kabal> yes :)
[03:03] <Kabal> I will rerun now
[03:04] <djclue917> Kabal: why do you need to kill ksysguard via the terminal?
[03:04] <JohnFlux> Kabal: remove the applet too
[03:04] <Kabal> IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
[03:04] <JohnFlux> :-)
[03:05] <JohnFlux> something went wrong with ksysguardd
[03:05] <Kabal> Thanx JohnFlux
[03:05] <JohnFlux> I will try to make that more robust
[03:05] <Kabal> :D
[03:05] <Kabal> sounds great :)
[03:05] <JohnFlux> djclue917: you mean use ksysguard to kill ksysguard ? :)
[03:05] <djclue917> JohnFlux: no
[03:06] <djclue917> JohnFlux: i mean why use the terminal to kill ksysguard? it crashed?
[03:06] <djclue917> JohnFlux: or hanged?
[03:06] <JohnFlux> djclue917: he was having problems with it
[03:07] <djclue917> JohnFlux: oh i see...
[03:10] <famille> JohnFlux: do i need to run apt-get dist-upgrade in single user boot ?
[03:11] <ryanakca> when I boot up kubuntu, I get this error message: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/594399
[03:12] <ryanakca> I take it that there's something wrong with grub?
[03:14] <Epo> Hello
[03:15] <JohnFlux> ryanakca: looks like initrd prob
[03:15] <JohnFlux> ryanakca: what did you change? :)
[03:15] <JohnFlux> Epo: yo
[03:15] <Epo> My dad had a Kubuntu 5.10CD which I wanted to install. In Windows I resized a partition and had free space
[03:15] <Epo> I booted from the Kubuntu disc and it asked me keyboard language, and such
[03:16] <Epo> Then I created a partition in de free space, one 5GB ext3 and 256MB swap space
[03:16] <Epo> I asked to format them, so Kubuntu did that
[03:16] <Epo> After the "install", it said I completed the first stage, and ejected my disc, and rebooted
[03:16] <ryanakca> JohnFlux: I copied everything from my old 34gb hard drive to my new 200gb one because my 34gb hard-drive was making a wonderfull screeching sound :)   I used symantec ghost on some floppy from my cousin to copy it over
[03:17] <Epo> (This slightly went wrong, because I had to shutdown my system using the powerbutton)
[03:17] <JohnFlux> hmm
[03:17] <JohnFlux> ryanakca: maybe on your new system the hard disk isn't called /dev/hda1
[03:17] <Epo> Then when I rebooted, Grub loaded and "linuxkernel.somenumbers" loaded up
[03:17] <ryanakca> JohnFlux: It's the only hard-drive :)
[03:17] <Epo> The problem is I only get a Bash screen, a black one
[03:18] <Epo> No login screen or whatever
[03:18] <ryanakca> Epo: does it say login, white on black?
[03:18] <Epo> i obviously did something wrong, but what?
[03:18] <Epo> Yes, and I can login
[03:18] <ryanakca> Epo: might give you one, just not a graphical login screen
[03:18] <Epo> then it says epo@kubuntu
[03:18] <ryanakca> ok, my guess would be login, yes
[03:18] <Kabal> JohnFlux: this is how I had it before it crashed
[03:18] <Epo> I can switch to root, by doing "sudo su"
[03:18] <Kabal> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[03:18] <Kabal> <!DOCTYPE KSysGuardApplet>
[03:18] <Kabal> <WorkSheet sizeRatio="1.2" dockCnt="4" interval="2" >
[03:18] <Kabal>  <host port="-1" shell="" name="localhost" command="ksysguardd" />
[03:18] <Kabal>  <display topBar="1" vColor="326429" title="CPU" dock="0" bColor="3223601" graphStyle="0" class="FancyPlotter" unit="" hScale="3" showUnit="0" hLines="1" hCount="2" vLines="1" autoRange="1" min="0" max="0" hColor="14606046" globalUpdate="1" pause="0" fontSize="8" labels="1" vScroll="1" vDistance="30" >
[03:18] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="cpu/user" hostName="localhost" color="1608191" sensorType="integer" />
[03:18] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="cpu/sys" hostName="localhost" color="16743688" sensorType="integer" />
[03:18] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="cpu/nice" hostName="localhost" color="16771600" sensorType="integer" />
[03:18] <Kabal>  </display>
[03:19] <Kabal>  <display topBar="1" vColor="4605510" title="Mem" dock="1" bColor="3223601" graphStyle="0" class="FancyPlotter" unit="" hScale="5" showUnit="0" hLines="1" hCount="2" vLines="0" autoRange="1" min="0" max="0" hColor="14606046" globalUpdate="1" pause="0" fontSize="8" labels="0" vScroll="1" vDistance="30" >
[03:19] <ryanakca> kabal: no psting please
[03:19] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="mem/physical/application" hostName="localhost" color="1608191" sensorType="integer" />
[03:19] <ryanakca> pasting I mean
[03:19] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="mem/physical/buf" hostName="localhost" color="16743688" sensorType="integer" />
[03:19] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="mem/physical/cached" hostName="localhost" color="16771600" sensorType="integer" />
[03:19] <Kabal>  </display>
[03:19] <Kabal>  <display topBar="1" vColor="6853833" title="Data" dock="2" bColor="3223601" graphStyle="0" class="FancyPlotter" unit="" hScale="1" showUnit="0" hLines="1" hCount="5" vLines="1" autoRange="1" min="0" max="0" hColor="6853833" globalUpdate="1" pause="0" fontSize="9" labels="1" vScroll="1" vDistance="30" >
[03:19] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="network/interfaces/eth0/receiver/data" hostName="localhost" color="1608191" sensorType="integer" />
[03:19] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="network/interfaces/eth0/receiver/drops" hostName="localhost" color="16744200" sensorType="integer" />
[03:19] <ryanakca> can someone kick him please?
[03:19] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="network/interfaces/eth0/transmitter/data" hostName="localhost" color="16771860" sensorType="integer" />
[03:19] <Kabal>  </display>
[03:19] <Epo> So I can login yes, but I don't know linux commands
[03:19] <Kabal>  <display topBar="1" vColor="16777215" title="Data" dock="3" bColor="3223601" graphStyle="0" class="FancyPlotter" unit="" hScale="3" showUnit="0" hLines="1" hCount="2" vLines="1" autoRange="1" min="0" max="0" hColor="16777215" globalUpdate="1" pause="0" fontSize="8" labels="1" vScroll="1" vDistance="30" >
[03:19] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="network/interfaces/eth1/receiver/data" hostName="localhost" color="65297" sensorType="integer" />
[03:19] <Epo> So I'm stuck
[03:19] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="network/interfaces/eth1/transmitter/data" hostName="localhost" color="16711680" sensorType="integer" />
[03:19] <Kabal>   <beam sensorName="network/interfaces/eth1/receiver/drops" hostName="localhost" color="16771860" sensorType="integer" />
[03:19] <Kabal>  </display>
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[03:19] <Kabal> oops sorry guys
[03:19] <Kabal> yeah oke sorry..
[03:19] <ryanakca> Epo: just a second, we'll wait for this to stop
[03:19] <ryanakca> ok
[03:19] <Epo> Yes, and I can login
[03:19] <devios> heheheh use poastebin or something dood
[03:20] <Epo> So I can login yes, but I don't know linux commands
[03:20] <ryanakca> Epo: are you logged in? don't go "sudo su"
[03:20] <Epo> I'm logged in in some DOS windows sort of :)
[03:20] <Epo> Before this black screen, I set my "aptsomething" to archive.kubuntu.com and it downloaded some stuff
[03:20] <ryanakca> Epo: It's the shell, also called the terminal, the backbone (or one of the backbones) of linux
[03:20] <Epo> For about 20mins
[03:21] <ryanakca> Epo: try going "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:21] <Epo> I know my way around in DOS, but how do I, well, setup the desktop?
[03:21] <ryanakca> try that
[03:21] <Epo> I tried that using some manual but it said something about locked
[03:21] <Epo> Maybe because I wasn't root at that time? (is possible, can't remember)
[03:21] <ryanakca> yes, you need to do "sudo apt...." and not "apt...."
[03:22] <ryanakca> sudo makes you root for that command
[03:22] <Epo> but I can do sudo su, then be root, and then do just apt right?
[03:22] <ryanakca> you weren't running it as root :)
[03:22] <devios> the kubuntu live cd couldn't auomatically set up sound on my Dell Optiplex GX240
[03:22] <Epo> This is a Sony VAIO laptop by the way
[03:22] <Epo> Ok ryanakca, I'm going to try that right now
[03:22] <arrinmurr> Epo: you should use "sudo -i" instead of "sudo su" if you want to get a root shell
[03:23] <_mindspin> Epo enabling root is not recommended
[03:23] <ryanakca> Epo: sudo su is bad.... just stick with sudo... once you get more experienced with linux, you might dare do "sudo su", but right now, you have a big possibility of messing your system up... :)
[03:23] <Epo> Sorry, my dad "thaught" me that
[03:23] <Epo> =)
[03:24] <ryanakca> Epo: I'm talking out of experience, I literally destroyed my system in su... I deleted something or other... crash!
[03:24] <_mindspin> it's one of the main differences between kubuntu and other distros
[03:24] <Epo> I'll try it now, thanks alot for the help, I hope to be back soon ;)
[03:24] <Epo> Thanks!
[03:24] <ryanakca> kk.... so after you've done "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", go "shutdown -r now"
[03:25] <ryanakca> and when it comes back up, it should, I repeat should give you graphical login screen :)
[03:25] <Epo> Ok, I'll hope to join again in an linux irc client :)
[03:25] <Epo> thanks!
[03:25] <mr-roadster> hello
[03:26] <ryanakca> JohnFlux: It's the only hard-drive :)  what would it be called now then?
[03:26] <mr-roadster> doe anyone has installed krusader here?
[03:26] <JohnFlux> ryanakca: check the bios
[03:26] <devios> the kubuntu live cd couldn't auomatically set up sound on my Dell Optiplex GX240 - on-board sound.  anyone know how to fix?
[03:26] <JohnFlux> ryanakca: put the hard disk on the primary channel ;)
[03:26] <JohnFlux> ryanakca: and make sure it's a master
[03:26] <djclue917> ryanakca: sudo fdisk -l
[03:27] <ryanakca> in the bios is says something like "Hard-drive disc 1" or something or other
[03:27] <ryanakca> djclue917: I can't do sudo in ash... I've tried :/
[03:27] <djclue917> ryanakca: use a live cd, then execute the command. ;-)
[03:28] <ryanakca> knoppix :)
[03:30] <renewip> Hi, I want to pack my software into .DEB package file. How to do?
[03:31] <JohnFlux> renewip: You file a bug requesting someone to package it
[03:32] <ryanakca> renewip: did you want to install it as well?
[03:33] <renewip> ryanakca: i want to compile my software in my system and install it in another one
[03:36] <arrinmurr> renewip: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageBuilding
[03:38] <ryanakca> JohnFlux: here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/594471      that's the output of "sudo fdisk -l"...  it IS hda
[03:39] <arrinmurr> renewip: and http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[03:39] <Kabal> JohnFlux What is the key combination for process table?
[03:41] <_mindspin> ps aux
[03:41] <_mindspin> or top
[03:41] <ryanakca> renewip: also, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages?highlight=%28CategoryMOTU%29
[03:41] <Kabal> ps aux and top are CLI but in KDE?
[03:43] <andred> Kabal: ctrl+esc
[03:43] <_mindspin> yupor KsySV
[03:43] <djclue917> Kabal: uh, use KSysGuard
[03:44] <ryanakca> when I boot up kubuntu, I get this error message: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/594399
[03:44] <Kabal> andred: Thanx :)
[03:44] <ryanakca> I copied everything from my old 34gb hard drive to my new 200gb one because my 34gb hard-drive was making a wonderfull screeching sound :)   I used symantec ghost on some floppy from my cousin to copy it over
[03:44] <Kabal> CTRL + ESC was the trick :)
[03:45] <ryanakca> the output of "sudo fdisk -l" is located here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/594471
[03:46] <djclue917> ryanakca: i think you're trying to mount the top-level directories (/etc, /proc, /sys) in /root instead of /
[03:47] <ryanakca> aye... I'll try editing grub with "e" at the menu... so change it to / instead of root?
[03:47] <tristan_> When I use the list display in Konqueror, the files are written in green. How can I change this color to another?
[03:47] <djclue917> ryanakca: you may check the GRUB config...
[03:48] <cycus_zwisus> hello!!!!!!!!!!
[03:48] <djclue917> ryanakca: i doubt that GRUB has something to do with this
[03:49] <cycus_zwisus> what a binch of blind people
[03:49] <djclue917> ryanakca: boot knoppix again, mount manually you HDD, then check the <mount point>/etc/fstab file
[03:49] <djclue917> ryanakca: *your HDD
[03:52] <ryanakca> djclue917: nope.. the grub config file is fine... kk
[03:53] <djclue917> ryanakca: boot knoppix again, mount manually your HDD, then check the <mount point>/etc/fstab file
[03:55] <nuky> is there a good webcam program for linux? that will allow me to network with the cam?
[04:01] <ryanakca> djclue917: I think I've figured out my problem... I dont have a boot partition :S
[04:02] <dimitri> g'day! how many days left (aprox) till dapper release?
[04:02] <ryanakca> dimitri: too many... in my opinion
[04:02] <ryanakca> Epo: it work?
[04:02] <Epo> Hi again
[04:02] <Epo> No, not really
[04:03] <Epo> I dit the apt-get command, and downloaded 350MB
[04:03] <Epo> It downloaded, then configured and after some time it was done
[04:03] <Epo> I shutdown -r now, I boot up, and I get some graphic kubuntu welcome logo
[04:03] <ryanakca> yes
[04:04] <Epo> Then it initialises all the stuff, with the [ok]  next to it
[04:04] <ryanakca> eh hunh...
[04:04] <Epo> Then I see a flashing mouse cursus, I assume it tries to go into that mode, but in the end gives me the black screen
[04:04] <Epo> cursor*
[04:04] <DevGet> is it porrible to get reiser4 support in kubuntu 6.04 without compile the kernel by my own
[04:04] <DevGet> possible*
[04:05] <Epo> when I do the aptget command again it says I have nothing to update anymore
[04:05] <Epo> Maybe it's a resolution problem?
[04:05] <ryanakca> hmmm... my guess is that your Xorg server isn't properly configured...
[04:05] <ryanakca> yeah...
[04:05] <Epo> It asked me what resolution I wanted
[04:06] <Epo> Or somehow I didn't understand the question
[04:06] <Epo> It asked me to delete what I didn't want to use
[04:06] <ryanakca> try going "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:06] <ryanakca> whats your video card?
[04:06] <ryanakca> and ram...
[04:06] <Epo> I highlighted 1280*800 (since I have Widescreen) and hit enter
[04:06] <Epo> Then in continued like crazy
[04:07] <Epo> GFX is a NVIDIA GF 5600 Go I think (it's a Sony VAIO laptop)
[04:07] <Epo> 512 MB RAM
[04:07] <ryanakca> aye, you should be fine... the first computer I tried installing linux on had 32mb ram and a 10 year old video card... didn't work...
[04:07] <ryanakca> hmm
[04:07] <Epo> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" >> I found that command before I downloaded all the stuff, but it wasn't reconfigure
[04:08] <Epo> I got an error then, saying I didn't have xorg something
[04:08] <ryanakca> do you know what the vertical refresh rate and horisontal sinc rate is?
[04:08] <ryanakca> yes, you need to run it after you install it...
[04:08] <Epo> Hmm, I don't know
[04:09] <Epo> I usuually work in 1280*800, that's all I know
[04:09] <Epo> Refresh rate is 60Hz I assume
[04:09] <Epo> Since it's a laptop
[04:09] <ryanakca> hmmm... well... I'll try to find you the howto I used to get it to work... um...
[04:10] <ryanakca> Epo: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FixVideoResolutionHowto?highlight=%28xserver-xorg%29
[04:10] <Epo> Would be great
[04:10] <ryanakca> Epo: that got it working perfectly for me :)
[04:10] <Epo> This Howto is intended for those who have installed or upgraded to Hoary, >> I on ly have Badger btw
[04:10] <Epo> Breezy Badger
[04:10] <Epo> Is that a problem?
[04:11] <ryanakca> I used it when upgrading from breezy to dapper
[04:11] <ryanakca> shouldn't be...
[04:11] <Epo> Ok, I can test it now, this is another machine so I'll sat yon
[04:11] <Epo> stay on*
[04:13] <ryanakca> and go "startx" in your user login (like once you've logged in with bash, go "startx" to test configurations...). if that configuration doesn't work, go Ctrl-Alt-Backspace...
[04:15] <ryanakca> btw... no garantee that what I tell you will work for you.. I'm just telling you what I did to get it to work... might be completly different for a laptop with an lcd screen than for a desktop computer with a crt...
[04:18] <Epo> Hm ok
[04:19] <Epo> I did the whole<setup
[04:19] <Epo> It ended now, should I reboot?
[04:19] <ryanakca> it work?
[04:19] <ryanakca> try "startx"
[04:19] <Epo> I don't know yet
[04:19] <Epo> ok
[04:19] <ryanakca> and go Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get out
[04:20] <Epo> Server already active for siaplay 0
[04:20] <Epo> err
[04:20] <Epo> display 0
[04:20] <ryanakca> ps aux | grep xorg
[04:21] <Epo> I need to type that?
[04:21] <Epo> ctrl alt backspace doesn't do anything
[04:21] <ryanakca> then go "kill -9 <pidofxorgserver>"
[04:21] <Epo> I can't type the straight /
[04:21] <ryanakca> yes
[04:21] <ryanakca> ps aux | grep xorg
[04:21] <ryanakca> d'you see the pid of xorg there?
[04:21] <Epo> I would type it by alt 124 right?
[04:22] <Epo> But I can't put in numbers without shift
[04:22] <Epo> But shift and alt together doesn't work
[04:22] <Epo> How else can I put in  | ?
[04:22] <ryanakca> what d'you mean alt 124?
[04:23] <ryanakca> ???
[04:23] <Epo> How did you type the  |  ?
[04:23] <Epo> I just copied it here, but I don't know how to put it on the ubuntu pc
[04:23] <ryanakca> I go shift-<keytotheleftof1>
[04:23] <ryanakca> you know the key that is beside one and about tab?
[04:24] <Epo> the console button for games?
[04:24] <ryanakca> experiment with that one... just press it, then try alt-key, then shift-key...
[04:24] <HymnToLife> ryanakca> square ?
[04:24] <Epo> ok
[04:24] <ryanakca> sure... "square"
[04:24] <HymnToLife> 
[04:25] <ryanakca> wadda wadda... what you talking about HymnToLife...
[04:25] <HymnToLife> isn't it the key above tab N
[04:25] <HymnToLife> ?*
[04:25] <ryanakca> that key gives me these caracters: # \ |
[04:25] <ryanakca> yes, the key above tab, and to the left of 1
[04:25] <Epo> Aha
[04:25] <HymnToLife> different keymaps I assume
[04:26] <Epo> I got some output
[04:26] <Epo> But it doesn't make sense to me =)
[04:26] <HymnToLife> pastebin it epo
[04:26] <ryanakca> ok, can you write it in pastebin?
[04:26] <ryanakca> What HymnToLife said...
[04:26] <Epo> 8409, can that be the pif?
[04:26] <Epo> pid*
[04:26] <ryanakca> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:26] <Epo> what is pastebin?
[04:27] <HymnToLife> !pastbin
[04:27] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, HymnToLife
[04:27] <HymnToLife> !pastebin
[04:27] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[04:27] <Epo> Oh, I'll just type it, it's judt one line
[04:27] <Epo> Sec
[04:27] <ryanakca> put your output on it
[04:28] <ryanakca> oh, just one line doesn't sound too too good... most likely the pid of "grep xorg"...  anywais, go 'head, I might be wrong :)
[04:29] <rysiek|pl> hi there
[04:29] <Epo> epo    8409 0.0 0.1   3120   784   tty1   R+  16:25  0:00  grep xorg
[04:29] <Epo> that's all
[04:29] <rysiek|pl> anyone knows why /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh doesn't get called upon bootup? as it definetely *should* get called
[04:30] <Epo> pid = process ID or something right?
[04:30] <Epo> So I needn to kill the X process?
[04:30] <rysiek|pl> or rather: it get's called, checks if USplash is running, and if so, it exits, as (as in a comment in this script is said): it will get called later. and it doesn't get called later :|
[04:31] <ice> I get alot of crashed erros when loading kde
[04:31] <_jeff> hi everyone
[04:31] <_jeff> does anyone here use kword?
[04:32] <ice> in fact its so bad that the crash box is in a loop
[04:32] <_jeff> lol
[04:32] <ice> and takes up my memory
[04:32] <ice> can someone help me fix this
[04:32] <_jeff> that sucks man
[04:32] <Epo> kill -9 numberofxorg should do the job I guess
[04:32] <Epo> But what's xorg's pid?
[04:33] <_mindspin> ps aux
[04:33] <_jeff> does anyone know how to see your word count in kword?
[04:33] <Epo> i did that
[04:33] <Epo> epo    8409 0.0 0.1   3120   784   tty1   R+  16:25  0:00  grep xorg
[04:33] <Epo> this was the output of it
[04:34] <rysiek|pl> _jeff: why not using OpenOffice? ;)
[04:34] <_jeff> ok
[04:34] <_jeff> hi guys
[04:35] <_jeff> does anyone know how to get a word count in kword?
[04:36] <Epo> ryanakca, you still there?
[04:36] <ryanakca> Epo: back, sorry... phone... umm... that didn't give you the pid... umm
[04:37] <Epo> Oh sorry for interupting
[04:38] <Epo> I reboot instead, maybe it loads up now
[04:38] <ryanakca> aye, give it a go...
[04:38] <Epo> A litte, I have color, kinda distorted but yea
[04:39] <Epo> Nope, distorted weird colors, tries to go into desktop mode, and then sends me to black login screen
[04:39] <ryanakca> do you see anything...
[04:39] <ryanakca> drats
[04:39] <ryanakca> ummm
[04:39] <Epo> I see a crosslike cursor fora second
[04:39] <rysiek|pl> Epo: are you guys trying to get the PID of a running XOrg process?
[04:40] <Epo> Btw : that ps aux command for xorg always had other numbers for each output
[04:40] <Epo> Is that  aproblem?
[04:40] <Epo> yes rysiek|pl  :)
[04:41] <rysiek|pl> well, XOrg doesn't run as XOrg nor xorg
[04:41] <ryanakca> xserver?
[04:41] <Epo> Well yeah, I back at my black login screen now, what should I do?
[04:41] <rysiek|pl> try: ps aux | grep X
[04:41] <ryanakca> ah
[04:41] <rysiek|pl> /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[04:41] <rysiek|pl> that's the bastard ;)
[04:41] <Epo> Do I have to do the config again?
[04:41] <ryanakca> oh, and btw... remember that example last time? the pid will be where the 8409 was :)
[04:42] <rysiek|pl> and what is the problem, actually? :)
[04:42] <ryanakca> Epo: might as well... it didn't work when you booted up... so
[04:42] <Epo> Yeah, but it differed everytimr I did the command
[04:42] <Epo> Always other numbers
[04:42] <Epo> Ok, I'll go trhough "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" again
[04:42] <rysiek|pl> Epo: it will always be different numbers
[04:43] <ryanakca> his screen is distorted... he followed this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:43] <ryanakca> its the article/wiki I used when I had the same problem he had, sadly, it hasn't worked for him
[04:43] <Epo> ryanakca: I didn't really follow it
[04:43] <Epo> I did what you suggested :)
[04:43] <ryanakca> meh... then follow it!
[04:44] <Epo> Ok :)
[04:44] <Epo> Btw, the fiest config question troubles me, what do I choose?
[04:44] <Epo> vesa? vga? ati?
[04:44] <rysiek|pl> wait a minute - it's for Hoary, right?
[04:44] <ryanakca> breezy
[04:44] <rysiek|pl> m'kay
[04:44] <Epo> Breezy Badger afaik
[04:44] <ryanakca> it worked for me on breezy and on dapper
[04:44] <rysiek|pl> I mean the tutorial :)
[04:44] <rysiek|pl> ok
[04:44] <ryanakca> its an article for fixing Xorg when upgrading for hoary to breezy
[04:45] <rysiek|pl> Epo: try "vesa" for a start
[04:45] <rysiek|pl> it works almost on everything
[04:45] <ryanakca> no, for upgrading to hoary
[04:45] <Epo> I did thzt the first time to, I'll do vesa ok
[04:47] <Epo> :ok, config done
[04:47] <Epo> Now, for the pid of xorg
[04:48] <ryanakca> ps aux | grep X
[04:48] <Epo> did that, got 3 lines
[04:48] <Epo> oine for root, 2 for epo
[04:48] <ryanakca> then you gep something like this: "epo    pid  0.0 0.1   3455 234  tty1..." or something simmilar...
[04:48] <ryanakca> ok... pastebin please :)
[04:49] <Epo> root's line points to the dir rysiek|pl  just mentioned
[04:49] <ryanakca> ok, sudo kill -9 pid
[04:49] <Epo> How can I pastebin it? I can't do anything without my deskttop
[04:49] <ryanakca> for the one by root that points to the dir rysiek had
[04:49] <ryanakca> kill the pid from the root one
[04:50] <Epo> holy shnitzel
[04:50] <Epo> I hacked my own machine!
[04:50] <Epo> I mean, I got the login screen :)
[04:50] <ryanakca> it worked?
[04:50] <Epo> That kill command did it, I had to add sudo before it though
[04:50] <Epo> yeah, I'll try to login nox
[04:50] <Epo> now*
[04:50] <ryanakca> startx
[04:51] <ryanakca> it work?
[04:51] <Epo> I'm in the desktop environment
[04:52] <ryanakca> so you can see colors and all?
[04:52] <Epo> The only problem is I'm working ina square of my screen
[04:52] <ryanakca> no fuzy blurry stuff?
[04:52] <Epo> Yes, color and mouse work
[04:52] <ryanakca> :)
[04:52] <Epo> I'll fix that resolution shit later
[04:52] <ryanakca> ok... is it a crt?
[04:52] <Epo> Laptop LCD I suppose
[04:52] <Epo> widescreen, 14,4'', or how much is it
[04:52] <ryanakca> aye... another thing I just thought of... you could've booted the livecd and copy pasted the xorg.conf file :)
[04:53] <Epo> I choose 14inch in the setup screen
[04:53] <Epo> chose*
[04:53] <Epo> But can I try to reboot now, and will it go directly in desktop modus?.
[04:53] <ryanakca> should
[04:53] <Epo> right imz do that
[04:54] <DjDarkman> hi ,how can i restart alsa?
[04:54] <Epo> damn, I hate keyboards I'm not used to
[04:54] <ryanakca> lol
[04:54] <ryanakca> heh... I'm used to a french canadian keyboard, and everywhere I go, I'm surrounded by english/us keyboards...
[04:55] <djclue917> DjDarkman: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa reload
[04:56] <DjDarkman> how can i find out what is using my soundcard?
[04:57] <_mindspin> kcontrol
[04:59] <Epo> Hm, I found the display config by rightclicking on the desktop  but I could only choose 640x480
[04:59] <Epo> That's why the window is so small, the rest of my screen is unused
[04:59] <rysiek|pl> Epo: you have to edit the config file
[04:59] <Epo> That can be fixed later, right?
[04:59] <_mindspin> 14'' is a rather small monitor
[05:00] <Epo> I have a widescreen
[05:00] <Epo> 15,4'' it is :)
[05:00] <rysiek|pl> you would either have to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common (i think that's the package's name) or manually edit /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[05:00] <Epo> I'll try the manual edit
[05:00] <_mindspin> try the first
[05:00] <Epo> Err, is that rightclick edit? =)
[05:00] <Epo> I'm a annoyed Windows user, so have mercy
[05:01] <_mindspin> so you can select resolution in dialigue
[05:01] <ryanakca> to switch from kubuntu to ubuntu or xubuntu without having to downloading an install disk, you just go "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" once you've got "apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop" (if you want to get rid of kubuntu)   and vice versa for ubuntu - kde or xubuntu, right?
[05:01] <Epo> I did that config twice already, I found the dialogs confusing
[05:01] <_mindspin> and the configfile not?
[05:02] <Epo> So when asked, I selectr 102x768 and hit enter, right?
[05:02] <Epo> I didn't even see the conf file ;)
[05:02] <Epo> 1024*
[05:02] <_mindspin> you can select more than one
[05:02] <rysiek|pl> Epo: when asked, select the modes you want to use
[05:02] <Epo> I don't know how to do that
[05:02] <Epo> Default, 1024, 800 and 640 were on
[05:02] <Epo> Yet I could only chose 640
[05:02] <_mindspin> by hitting space to select?
[05:03] <rysiek|pl> you have them all listed - just select them with the arrow keys and hit enter - an "*" shows next to the selected ones
[05:03] <Epo> Aha space to select, I'll try that lol
[05:03] <rysiek|pl> argh, space, not enter :] 
[05:03] <djclue917> ryanakca: nothing would really be removed if you remove kubuntu-desktop package because it's just a metapackage
[05:05] <Epo> Hm, when I rebooted back to black screen
[05:05] <_mindspin> sure
[05:05] <DoctorMO> hey all
[05:05] <Epo> By doing the ps aux and kill again I got to the alright login screen again
[05:05] <_mindspin> 640x480?
[05:05] <DoctorMO> I'm updating my sisters computer remotly and I'm geting alot of errors with apt-get update
[05:06] <Epo> Yeah, 64
[05:06] <Epo> 640*
[05:06] <DoctorMO> Most of the servers are responding with: Bad header line
[05:06] <DoctorMO> how can I fix this?
[05:06] <Epo> But what if I change it into dpkg-reconfigure and so on, but if I reboot it's all gone?
[05:06] <_mindspin> Ctrl Alt Backspace will kill xserver
[05:07] <Epo> But is it normal you got the shell when you boot up?
[05:07] <Epo> I'd like to have the graphic login scree
[05:07] <_mindspin> You'll have
[05:08] <_mindspin> but you want it running the correct reolution amI right?
[05:08] <Epo> Of course, but first I want it to boot, go to the login screen (instead of thr black shell thing)
[05:08] <Epo> Or is that irrelivant?
[05:08] <_mindspin> btw. which version of kubuntu do you use?
[05:08] <Epo> 5.10
[05:09] <Epo> Breezy Badger
[05:09] <_mindspin> ok
[05:09] <rysiek|pl> brb, rebooting
[05:09] <_mindspin> when you log in via the GUI xserver has to run with correct parameters
[05:10] <_mindspin> if those are not correct you will have no fun with either kde or gnome or whatever
[05:11] <maenty> anyone here knows how to edit the media:/ in KDE ?
[05:11] <_mindspin> what do you want to do maenty ?
[05:11] <Epo> I see _mindspin ... do I need to run the kdpg-reconfigure thing again when I reboot?
[05:11] <maenty> how to edit the functionality of it? or is it just forced so that every KDE users have to have the desktop icons of mounted drives automatically? And because this media:/ does not even work in my KDE anymore so it only adds the DVD there
[05:12] <_mindspin> Epo: you have to get it configured correct once..
[05:12] <DoctorMO> maenty: it's related to how kde mounts devices in the local userspace instead of the global space which would require root access
[05:12] <Epo> Hm, I wonder which option I set wrong then
[05:13] <Epo> I'll try to configure it again
[05:13] <maenty> _mindspin: Basically what I would like to do is to have fast way to browse my files. I have noticed that even though this media:/ thing does not work properly, I can still add a shortcut to certain folders in the desktop so that when I click it I can browse files. I don't like desktop icons at all and I'd like to remove them, instead of that I would like to have a shortcut to file browsing in "system tray" but adding custom shortcuts there seems to be impos
[05:13] <Epo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg right?
[05:14] <_mindspin> so add filemanager
[05:16] <_mindspin> maenty: open menu grab konqueror with your mouse and add it to control bar
[05:16] <DoctorMO> maenty: it should be posible to create a sys tray extention and remove the desktop icons with kde desktop pref panel
[05:16] <_mindspin> I hope I understood what you wanna do
[05:16] <maenty> I managed to remove desktop icons now
[05:17] <maenty> _mindspin: I don't have konqueror anywhere, just the web browser is in the menu
[05:18] <_mindspin> doesn't matter, I have konqui for filebrowsing
[05:18] <maenty> _mindspin: yap, but where do I move it from?
[05:18] <_mindspin> K->internet->konqueror
[05:18] <maenty> _mindspin: it seems nothing can be added to the systray just by moving, I should use the "add" menu which has only limited programs and I can't make custom ones
[05:19] <_mindspin> I dragged and dropped without any problem
[05:19] <maenty> when I try to drop it, it only goes to one of the icons which are already there, and it opens the program of that icon
[05:19] <_mindspin> hehe
[05:20] <maenty> and it seems to be not possible to find a place between the icons, as when one icon selection stosp, the other starts
[05:20] <_mindspin> so you'll need space
[05:20] <maenty> how can I make systray editable?
[05:20] <_mindspin> dunno, kcontrol?
[05:21] <Epo> Ok _mindspin , I went trough the config again, kill the x process, now the login screen is bigger
[05:22] <Epo> It's still a square (my screen isn't, since it's widescreen), but this is fair enough
[05:22] <Epo> I think I'll have 800 or 1024 now
[05:23] <Epo> It seems to be 1024x768 @ 85 Hz
[05:23] <Epo> That's ok for now, thanks for all the help
[05:23] <Epo> Not all IRC channels are this helpful :)
[05:23] <_mindspin> did you enable higher resolutions?
[05:24] <_mindspin> try wiki and forum, it's very helpful
[05:24] <_mindspin> maenty: I once recockned something about systray, but cannot find it now
[05:25] <_mindspin> it worked all the time for me
[05:26] <maenty> _mindspin: I got it now, I had to make the Applet Handles visibles in the configuration
[05:26] <maenty> _mindspin: Applet Handle is the one that I have to drag to create space
[05:26] <jcarter> anyone here have a dell latitude d600?
[05:26] <maenty> _mindspin: and then I simplly just moved a shortcut that I had done to desktop
[05:26] <_mindspin> that#s how it should work
[05:27] <maenty> _mindspin: thanks for help, i appreciate it
[05:27] <_mindspin> yw
[05:29] <rysiek|pl> gtg, cu all
[05:30] <maenty> storage media button seems to be exactly what I would have wanted there, except that media:/ doesn't work in my KDE so I had to do the shortcuts to the mounted drives by myself
[05:33] <Epo> Sorry to bother again _mindspin , but when I shutdown my system and turn it off again, it goes into the black screen again
[05:34] <Epo> I can get into the desktop, by killing that x process, but isn't there another way?
[05:34] <Epo> Like... "go to the login screen now, bitch"?
[05:34] <_mindspin> that should be the regular behaviour
[05:34] <Epo> err, first sentence, "turn it ON again"*
[05:34] <Epo> sadly, it doesn't
[05:34] <Epo> I just get "login"
[05:35] <Epo> and then a command prompt
[05:35] <_mindspin> when you logged off you were on GUI or console?
[05:35] <Epo> gui
[05:35] <Epo> rightclick, shutdown
[05:35] <_JuDgEn_> how do i get VIA Sata Raid support to work in kubuntu?
[05:36] <_mindspin> type startx and the GUI will appear, check whats your default log on the log in screen
[05:36] <Epo> ctrl alt backspace doesn't work to get rid of the blackscreen
[05:36] <Epo> I treid that before : startx gives me an "already running'" error
[05:37] <Epo> That's why I needed to kill it myself in order to get to the login screen
[05:38] <Antiquitus> Epo: you haveing a problem with your X?
[05:38] <_mindspin> yup
[05:38] <Epo> Quite, it's a long story, first time ubuntu/kubuntu user, btw
[05:39] <Antiquitus> Whats it doing?
[05:39] <Antiquitus> I only joined now so don't have the story unfortunately...
[05:39] <Epo> Well, I had troubles installing kubuntu then I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:40] <Epo> It downloaded a bunch, but I couldn't get to the desktop environment, I only saw the command prompt
[05:40] <Epo> So I was advised to config the xorg, which I did multiple times
[05:40] <Antiquitus> So you didn't even see the desktop environment while you installed off the CD?
[05:40] <Epo> Then I looked up the xorg pid, killed the process and there was the login screen I wanted
[05:41] <maenty> _mindspin: it seems it didn't work in the end
[05:41] <maenty> _mindspin: in desktop i can "create new -> link to device -> /mnt/storage"
[05:41] <Epo> The poroblem was it was in 640
[05:41] <maenty> _mindspin: however, when I try to drag that link to the systray, the link becomes unusable
[05:41] <Antiquitus> okay. what graphics card are you using?
[05:41] <Epo> I changed it to 1024 succesfully, but when I boot it goes into cmd prompt auto, and not into the loginscreen I want
[05:42] <Epo> It's a laptop, Sony VAIO centrino with a Nvidia GF 5600 Go (as far as I'm aware)
[05:42] <Antiquitus> And if you <ALT> + F7 do you get the login screen?
[05:42] <Antiquitus> That is just after you have booted up.
[05:42] <Epo> Damn, that worked
[05:42] <Epo> What does that button do as a command?
[05:43] <Antiquitus> You see, there are multiple "virtual" terminals available to you when you boot up. ALT + Fx switches to terminal x
[05:43] <Epo> Ok, I can get easily to the loginscreen now, how do I config it it goes to that mode automatocally?
[05:44] <Antiquitus> the GUI desktop runs on 7. to get it to go there automatically, humm. let me have a look on my box quick.
[05:44] <Antiquitus> Usually it just does ;)
[05:44] <Epo> Ok, super :)
[05:44] <Epo> It's no disaster if I can't fix that now
[05:45] <Antiquitus> Epo: what do you get from the command: cat /etc/inittab | grep initdefault
[05:45] <Antiquitus> This should be okay but best to check to be sure..
[05:45] <Epo> Hm, I'm in the desktop now, where do I type that?
[05:45] <Antiquitus> click on applications -> System tools -> new teminal
[05:45] <Antiquitus> and type it in there.
[05:46] <Antiquitus> Should give you something like this once you type the command in
[05:46] <Antiquitus> bradley@almira:~$ cat /etc/inittab | grep initdefault
[05:46] <Antiquitus> id:2:initdefault:
[05:47] <raveneye> Gudevening
[05:47] <Epo> Ok, I can't find the terminal, I'm ashamed
[05:48] <raveneye> terminal or console?
[05:48] <Epo> Aha, it is Konsole
[05:48] <Epo> This feels strange as an experienced Windows user
[05:48] <Epo> Beginning all anew :)
[05:48] <raveneye> lol ok terminal indeed...
[05:50] <raveneye> if you want to jump to the console try [ctrl alt F1 to F6] 
[05:50] <_mindspin> maenty: Sorry, but Im working, are you sure the path to binary fits? have a look at the properties of the link
[05:51] <raveneye> and [alt F7]  to jump back
[05:52] <maenty> _mindspin: the link was to a file named storage.desktop
[05:52] <_mindspin> you need the path to the binary
[05:52] <djclue917> raveneye: uh, those are called virtual terminals... you shouldn't use them unless necessary because you already have terminal emulators like Konsole, xterm, etc.
[05:52] <maenty> _mindspin: I found another way. There seems to be a special button that can be added: "Quick Browser" which lets me browse it directly from there, or open it in conqueror. I think I could get used to that
[05:53] <Epo> id:2:initdefault: , that was the output
[05:53] <EnglishStan> need help!!! where do i go?
[05:53] <cycus_zwisus> kubuntu is too easy, what should i try next?
[05:53] <Antiquitus> Epo: Sorry, I got disconnected.
[05:53] <Epo> No prob at all :)
[05:53] <maenty> EnglishStan: #kubuntu is a good place to go if you need help :)
[05:54] <Antiquitus> Epo: you manage to run that command?
[05:54] <Epo> This chatzilla doesn't even show joins/quits
[05:54] <EnglishStan> ok lol, i need to install VLC player, and i typed the commands that it said on the site, but nothing happens
[05:54] <Epo> I didn't even notice
[05:54] <maenty> EnglishStan: Also you might want to browse the ubuntu forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:54] <EnglishStan> i am a linux virgin
[05:54] <Epo> yes Antiquitus , the output was as you predicted
[05:54] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: what is your problem?
[05:54] <maenty> EnglishStan: I installed VLC just some time ago. Did you type sudo apt-get install vlc ?
[05:55] <EnglishStan> i typed apt-get install vlc, but not sudo
[05:55] <Antiquitus> Epo: okay, I wonder what else could be the problem. btw, you can also use gaim or xchat to talk on irc. They both show you all the messages.
[05:55] <maenty> EnglishStan: You need to type sudo first, so you are installing it as "root"
[05:55] <cycus_zwisus> i'd like to try something more ambitious than kubuntu
[05:55] <maenty> EnglishStan: try again like this: sudo apt-get install vlc
[05:55] <maenty> EnglishStan: Then type in your password when it asks
[05:55] <Epo> Is it on my machine already? Or do I have to do apt-get xchat in the terminal or something?
[05:56] <HymnToLife> the Breezy VLC sucks ass though
[05:56] <EnglishStan> the command window dissapeared, do i need to open a terminal window and do it there?
[05:56] <maenty> HymnToLife: What do you recommend?
[05:56] <raveneye> djclue971 You are so right. but bad habbits are hard to overcome.
[05:56] <Antiquitus> Epo: I think its already installed, let me find it on my machine.
[05:56] <HymnToLife> using another VLC
[05:56] <HymnToLife> I compiled mine from source
[05:56] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: why do you even bother asking that question here??? try Gentoo.
[05:56] <cycus_zwisus> (k)ubuntu is the easiest distro, now i'd like to try something a BIT more challenging :)
[05:56] <Antiquitus> Epo: check in Applications -> Internet.
[05:56] <HymnToLife> the Breezy build lacks a _lot_ of stuff
[05:56] <maenty> HymnToLife: VLC seems to be only thing that plays at least some video files. Kaffeine does not play any video files I have
[05:56] <Epo^^> Aha, it already had Konversation
[05:56] <maenty> HymnToLife: sounds interesting.. how do I do this?
[05:57] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: challenging? try debian
[05:57] <cycus_zwisus> is there only one step between (k)ubuntu and gentoo? i don't think so
[05:57] <EnglishStan> i got an error
[05:57] <maenty> HymnToLife: Probably your way will also work with amd64? (compiling by myself)
[05:57] <maenty> EnglishStan: what does the error say?
[05:57] <HymnToLife> maenty> ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127563
[05:57] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: better yet, try to build your own distro if you really want some hard work
[05:57] <Epo^^> Any ideas what I should try next, Antiquitus ?
[05:57] <HymnToLife> yes it will
[05:57] <Tom_Kidd> Whenever I try to visit a website in konqueror I get ..
[05:57] <Tom_Kidd> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[05:57] <Tom_Kidd>  klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'.
[05:58] <maenty> HymnToLife: great, thanks alot!
[05:58] <EnglishStan> cannot get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open
[05:58] <maenty> EnglishStan: are you sure you typed "sudo" in the beginning of line?
[05:58] <EnglishStan> yeah, then my password
[05:58] <HymnToLife> maenty> if you never compiled stuff before, you'll certainly have a bit of trouble, feel free to pm me :)
[05:58] <maenty> hmm.. strange, maybe some more experienced can help EnglishStan with apt-get?
[05:58] <cycus_zwisus> i don't want hard work, the problem is all my colleagues laugh at me because i use such an easy distribution
[05:59] <maenty> EnglishStan: I'm just a beinnger myself too, installed linux on sunday
[05:59] <HymnToLife> what's the problem EnglishStan ?
[05:59] <raveneye> cycus_zwisus if you like a challenge try Debian Etch... and if you really like adventure try Debian Sid or Gentoo and if you consider yourself a diehard FreeBSD and if you really want to go the masochist route OpenBSD
[05:59] <EnglishStan> maybe my password is wrong, is it the same password as the login password?
[05:59] <HymnToLife> yes
[05:59] <maenty> HymnToLife: I've done some compiling before, but just by make/make install etc
[05:59] <Antiquitus> Epo^^: I can't think of anything off hand...
[05:59] <HymnToLife> well, follow the topic then it explains it all
[05:59] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: trying to install the VLC player
[05:59] <Epo^^> No problem, it's no problem it doesn't go auto
[05:59] <Epo^^> I can just press alt F7 when I boot right?
[06:00] <Epo^^> Then everything is ok
[06:00] <HymnToLife> hmm you're a beginner so maybe compiling is not the best thing to do
[06:00] <cycus_zwisus> i think debian is a good idea
[06:00] <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get install vlc doesn't work ?
[06:00] <maenty> EnglishStan: the more I use linux, the more I like it :) Don't get discouraged even though you might have some difficulties in the beginning. When you learn how to do things Linux is great
[06:00] <Antiquitus> Epo^^: there is a file where you can tell it what terminal to start in at boot, I just can't remember where it is %)
[06:00] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: why do you even care? we have the power to choose what we want to use. if you're productive in kubuntu, then just stick with it, if not, then maybe you could find some other distro that would suit your needs best
[06:00] <cycus_zwisus> thanks
[06:00] <EnglishStan> no, it asks for a password
[06:00] <Antiquitus> Epo^^: have you tried to reboot just for luck?
[06:00] <HymnToLife> enter it then :)
[06:01] <Epo^^> I'll remain here as much as I can Antiquitus , when you think of it again, would you let me know?
[06:01] <HymnToLife> it's the same you use to login
[06:01] <Epo^^> I was planning to reboot just now, Antiquitus
[06:01] <EnglishStan> i did, and got an error
[06:01] <HymnToLife> which one ?
[06:01] <raveneye> cyus_zwisius just be carefull you read the Releasenotes that come with the install cd or the dailybuilds.... Etch is not stable so you might be in for a rough ride...
[06:01] <Epo^^> so, rebooting!
[06:01] <EnglishStan> then root password = login password???
[06:01] <HymnToLife> no
[06:01] <HymnToLife> there is no root password on ubuntu
[06:01] <maenty> HymnToLife: I'm not so new, I used to have Red Hat as my only OS for half a year in 2002-2003, however I haven't used linux since that and I'm learning things again :)
[06:01] <cycus_zwisus> but it's obvious that using  kubuntu i'm not gonna learn much
[06:01] <HymnToLife> well, at least it's disabled by default
[06:02] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: it's not like that you know. it's just a matter of exploring the distro.
[06:02] <cycus_zwisus> will using debain teach me how linux really works?
[06:03] <EnglishStan> o, i think i have sussed it, but it says can't find VLC
[06:03] <maenty> HymnToLife: what is this MKV that this thread talks about? Will it also play all other stuff like divx, WMVs, .movs etc if I compile by myself?
[06:03] <Tom_Kidd> cycus_zwisus: Use LFS if you REALLY want to learn
[06:03] <Tom_Kidd> :)
[06:04] <HymnToLife> maenty> well the Ubuntu build is crappy but not to the point of not playing divxes
[06:04] <EnglishStan> Could not find Package VLC... I didn't get that before vecause Package manager was open
[06:04] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: by the way, what's their justification in labelling kubuntu as an easy distro? as a matter of fact, kubuntu's installer is not as pleasant to the eyes as compared to the other distros' GUI installers
[06:04] <HymnToLife> but MKV is definitely not the only thing it lacks
[06:04] <raveneye> if you are willing to read yes.... but dont make the mistake to confuse X and Gnome or KDE with linux. if you want to learn linux.... apt-get remove --purge x-window-system and do your stuff on the commandline.
[06:04] <cycus_zwisus> Tom_Kidd, you don't get it, using ubuntu i'll be able to cope with ubuntu only
[06:04] <HymnToLife> EnglishStan> ok, your souces?list is bad
[06:04] <frank23> HymnToLife: what? VLC doesnt play mkv in ubuntu?
[06:04] <Tom_Kidd> cycus_zwisus: And what can they do that you can't?
[06:04] <cycus_zwisus> which distro is more like 'universal'?
[06:04] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: if you want to learn, try to break a distro and then try to fix it. then you'll learn
[06:04] <HymnToLife> frank23> nope it doesn't
[06:05] <HymnToLife> the defaut build at least
[06:05] <EnglishStan> so how do i get the read the VLC package??
[06:05] <cycus_zwisus> djclude917, i've tried it many times :P
[06:05] <HymnToLife> EnglishStan> run kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:05] <raveneye> cycus maybe you should try slackware.
[06:05] <Tom_Kidd> cycus_wizus: Although, for an alternative I suggest Slackware, or Gentoo. Though, Gentoo is a bit harder.
[06:05] <cycus_zwisus> what about archlinux?
[06:06] <Tom_Kidd> Well, you said universal? Slackware is widely used, yet it doesn't quite 'hold your hand'
[06:06] <Tom_Kidd> Never used archlinux :\
[06:06] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: if you're an ubuntu user, then you're an ubuntu user. it's not humanly possible to use and get familiarized with all the linux distros out there.
[06:06] <lolziac> i need help from ppl who do webdesign here :D to tell me what kind of applications to use for HTML and PHP editing
[06:06] <frank23> HymnToLife: you're right. I guess I always used kaffeine for mkv
[06:06] <EnglishStan> i done that HymnToLife, now what?
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> lolziac: quanta
[06:07] <lolziac> ???
[06:07] <HymnToLife> frank23> I did too, but I prefer VLC so I compiled it myself to make it read MKVs
[06:07] <lolziac> LeeJunFan: is that installed in default installation
[06:07] <djclue917> lolziac: Quanta+
[06:07] <HymnToLife> EnglishStan> delete everything in the file
[06:07] <cycus_zwisus> but it's hard to cope with other distros if you know ubuntu only
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> lolziac: no, you can apt-get install kdewebdev
[06:07] <EnglishStan> is that wise?
[06:07] <cycus_zwisus> i need something transitional between ubuntu and gentoo, for instance :)
[06:08] <Tom_Kidd> Slackware
[06:08] <raveneye> Installing Gentoo is something for people with alot of patience a powerfull processor and lotsa bandwith.
[06:08] <lolziac> i thank you LeeJunFan and djclue917
[06:08] <Tom_Kidd> There is nothing exactly like
[06:08] <lolziac> :d
[06:08] <Tom_Kidd> Gentoo though
[06:08] <HymnToLife> EnglishStan> and paste this instead : ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127563
[06:08] <Tom_Kidd> Slackware is different from Gentoo in most places, though Slackware you'll probably learn alot of Linux in general
[06:08] <HymnToLife> nope, I meant this sorry : http://membres.lycos.fr/mafiaboy03/sources.list
[06:08] <jarlath> When I reset my router, the essid reverted to 'default' and kubuntu was unable to connect to it. Does this mean that I cant use my wireless on other networks?
[06:08] <djclue917> cycus_zwisus: why do you say so? would you be using all those distros as well that you're so eager to specialize in all of them?
[06:10] <cycus_zwisus> no, i'd like to use the most stable and most reliable one in the future
[06:10] <cycus_zwisus> kubuntu will never be one
[06:10] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: now what?
[06:10] <frank23> cycus_zwisus: then run debian stable
[06:10] <HymnToLife> close the file (don't forget to save the changes) and run sudo apt-get update
[06:10] <leafw> is anyone using koffice 1.4? Is the chart working for spreadsheets?
[06:10] <EnglishStan> hold on, i'm a bit behind lol
[06:10] <leafw> can anyone test that it works?
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> cycus_zwisus: that all depends on what you want to do. What you consider stable - and what apps you need to be stable.
[06:12] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: http://membres.lycos.fr/mafiaboy03/sources.list is not known on line 1
[06:12] <HymnToLife> ?
[06:12] <raveneye> cycus_zwisus the most stable and reliable is without any doubt Debian Stable (Sarge)
[06:12] <HymnToLife> what d'you mean ?
[06:13] <Tom_Kidd> cycus_zwisus: Gentoo isn't that hard.. You just have to read the documentation and if you think you can't remember exactly how to install it then write notes or print it. In the Live CD you can actually use the graphical installer which is quite easier. Gentoo allows top-line customization of packages, since they're all built from sources. It's also got a large thriving community. I've liked what I've used from it and am considering going to i
[06:13] <EnglishStan> thats ehat i got when running the sudo apt-get update
[06:13] <HymnToLife> it works like a charm for me
[06:14] <raveneye> Drawbacks of Debian Stable are that the sofware outdates pretty fast. Since they dont have a fixed release cycle
[06:14] <HymnToLife> I think you made a mistake while copy/pasting
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> it's outdated when you install it. But stable - yes
[06:14] <EnglishStan> i think i got the membres mixed, i didn't copy and paste you see, i spelt it members lol, i'll retry lol
[06:14] <Tom_Kidd> Also: Gentoo has a largely updated automated portage system where you'll find tons of applications and many versions of them
[06:14] <frank23> cycus_zwisus: Tom_Kidd yeah but if you want to learn linux in "general" gentoo is pretty unique, I don't think many other distros use portage
[06:14] <cycus_zwisus> Tom_Kidd, i'm afraid i'm not experienced enough yet to use gentoo
[06:14] <HymnToLife> EnglishStan> lol
[06:14] <maenty> HymnToLife: pm
[06:15] <HymnToLife> I got no pm...
[06:15] <bmw> Hi!  Question: Trying to get nettools-status-applet to work uinder Kubuntu.  Can't seem to get it to work.  THoughts?
[06:15] <Tom_Kidd> frank23: If he wants to learn Linux in general, he needs to work on a LFS.. Otherwise there is no choice but learning specific distros..
[06:15] <_epo> Hm, Antiquitus ... I went trhough the config again, and I enabled some more resolutions
[06:15] <raveneye> LOL trust me you dont want gentoo if you dont have some computing power and tons of bandwith... I gave it a shot and gave up after a succesfull base install.... the compiling makes it nervewrecking...
[06:16] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: still got same message :(
[06:16] <HymnToLife> hmm
[06:16] <cycus_zwisus> ok, thanks, i think i'll try debian sarge
[06:16] <_epo> When I go into the GUI display I only have the option between 1024, 800 and 640, the refresh rate is defaulf "0"
[06:16] <HymnToLife> save the sources.list file to your /home
[06:16] <HymnToLife> (use Ctrl+S, save the file to /Home/user)
[06:16] <Tom_Kidd> Sadly my computer is hating the new Gentoo iso, isolinux plugs me with an error every time so I'm working on that
[06:17] <cycus_zwisus> ubuntu is debian-based so maybe it won't be that hard to learn debian
[06:17] <HymnToLife> maenty> did you register your nick ?
[06:17] <_epo> Is there another way to change the available modes than to do "kdpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" all the time?
[06:17] <HymnToLife> PMs won't work if you didn't
[06:17] <maenty> HymnToLife: oh.. right
[06:17] <Tom_Kidd> cycus_zwisus: Good idea, Debian is probably a little harder and it's the preprocessor to MANY OS.
[06:17] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: home folder: /root/ <--- ????
[06:17] <HymnToLife> no
[06:17] <frank23> cycus_zwisus: debian stable is fine if you need STABLE but with kubuntu you would have more recent software and still learn how to use a deb based distro
[06:17] <HymnToLife> /home/user
[06:17] <maenty> I'll try to find how to register
[06:17] <Tom_Kidd> You'd probably learn more off of Debian, but it's essentially alot of the same.
[06:18] <HymnToLife> maenty> /msg nickserv register password
[06:18] <cycus_zwisus> i don't really need recent sodtware
[06:18] <_admin> join #kawanua
[06:18] <cycus_zwisus> software*
[06:18] <EnglishStan> type /nickserv register <email> <password>
[06:18] <EnglishStan> or something like that
[06:19] <Epo^^> No thoughts? I want my Kubuntu in 1280 (I have Widescreen)
[06:19] <HymnToLife> EnglishStan> did you save the file to your /home ?
[06:20] <HymnToLife> hmm
[06:20] <EnglishStan> yeah, still the same, something about not know in line 1 on source list
[06:20] <HymnToLife> tell me, you didn't paste the URL into your sources.list did you ?
[06:20] <EnglishStan> yeah lol
[06:20] <cycus_zwisus> ok, have a nice evening
[06:20] <HymnToLife> well
[06:20] <HymnToLife> you ned to paste the content s of the file :D
[06:20] <HymnToLife> open it in your web browser ;)
[06:20] <cycus_zwisus> bye
[06:20] <EnglishStan> hahahaha..
[06:21] <EnglishStan> i'll learn, ok, gonna get the list
[06:21] <HymnToLife> haha, no problem :)
[06:21] <bmw> Anyone got an idea of how to get nettools-status-applet to work?
[06:23] <raveneye> time to eat... later
[06:25] <EnglishStan> HymnToLife: seems to be working :D.... i love you lol
[06:25] <EnglishStan> just unpacking :D
[06:25] <HymnToLife> haha you're welcome
[06:25] <HymnToLife> then you can run sudo apt-get install vlc
[06:26] <EnglishStan> so to basically to install stuff, just follw that procedure.... ???
[06:26] <HymnToLife> no
[06:26] <EnglishStan> :(
[06:26] <EnglishStan> :P
[06:26] <HymnToLife> just type the sudo apt-ge installyou don't need to mss with the sources.list anymore
[06:26] <EnglishStan> thats what i meant lol
[06:26] <HymnToLife> ok :)
[06:27] <HymnToLife> hmm you're running KDE right ?
[06:27] <HymnToLife> did you upgrade to 3.5.1
[06:27] <HymnToLife> ?
[06:28] <EnglishStan> i got an error again, i'll use my ubuntu irc, this is a pain in the arse moving from 1 comp to another, lol, brb
[06:30] <EngStan> hello, it's me again lol
[06:30] <EngStan> how do you cut and paste from the terminal window?
[06:31] <Apocs> Hi
[06:32] <EngStan> it says it's installed... do i need to reboot or something??
[06:32] <HymnToLife> nope
[06:32] <HymnToLife> just run vlc
[06:32] <Apocs> Isn't it possible to run a FTP server on Kubuntu 5.10?
[06:32] <EngStan> ah, i see it on the list
[06:33] <HymnToLife> Apocs> of course it is
[06:33] <EngStan> wicked, it worked, that was hard work, it just goes to show how lazy us windows users are lmao
[06:33] <Apocs> hmm, i've installed pure-ftpd but i cant start it :s
[06:34] <Apocs> made a quick boot (CTRL+ALT+Backspace)
[06:34] <HymnToLife> that's not a rebootit just kills X
[06:34] <EngStan> ok, how do i make desktop icons? it looks a bit bare
[06:34] <HymnToLife> hmm
[06:35] <Apocs> but it still won't start
[06:35] <HymnToLife> just drag and drop the VLC menu ico to your desktop I think
[06:36] <EngStan> excellent, now how to i add recycle bin to my desktop??? :P
[06:36] <Apocs> trying a hard reboot, brb
[06:36] <HymnToLife> hmm I don't know
[06:37] <HymnToLife> I never use my desktop anyway, it's always emptyI have everything on panels
[06:37] <EngStan> ok, cool.... i just wanted to make it a bit like window until i get used to it
[06:39] <EngStan> thanks  for your help.... i'm  getting in the bath, i am going out on the piss tonight :D
[06:40] <raveneye> burp... now that was some serious chow.
[06:43] <DarkAdmiral> welches ist das beste p2p filesharing programm fr linux?
[06:43] <DarkAdmiral> limewire gefllt mir nicht so....
[06:43] <DarkAdmiral> which is the best p2p filesharing application?
[06:44] <HymnToLife> DarkAdmiral> buy CDs
[06:45] <_mindspin> fish
[06:45] <_mindspin> no
[06:45] <_mindspin> just ajoke
[06:45] <DarkAdmiral> HymnToLife: i like to download trial versions with p2p apps^^
[06:46] <HymnToLife> why ?
[06:46] <HymnToLife> I use ddl for those, better bandwidth
[06:47] <Apocs> hmm, didn't work
[07:17] <lolziac> kbuntuuu rulezzzzz :D
[07:17] <Tm_T> ok
[07:18] <DeBert> What's Kubuntu?
[07:19] <lolziac> ubuntu with KDE
[07:19] <lolziac> i think
[07:19] <lolziac> :d
[07:19] <DeBert> KDE?
[07:19] <lolziac> GUI
[07:19] <lolziac> graphical user interface
[07:20] <dumezil> when i click on a link in an application (ie my mail app or irc client), it should pass it to my web browser, but it doesn't...  how do i fix this?
[07:20] <lolziac> i got that problem also, but i have it with aMSN
[07:20] <DeBert> you have seet default browser in control center?
[07:21] <dumezil> where do i set that?
[07:22] <DeBert> u use konqueror or firefox?
[07:22] <dumezil> firefox
[07:22] <DeBert> you can do it in firefox in settings
[07:24] <DeBert> ah, found it in system settings. Go User Account/Default Applications, and change it there.
[07:25] <lolziac> do u use gnome or kde
[07:25] <lolziac> DeBert:
[07:25] <DeBert> kde
[07:26] <lolziac> found it
[07:26] <lolziac> :d
[07:28] <dumezil> sorry but i don't see that...  Go User Account?  where is that?
[07:28] <lolziac> eventhough still aMSN mail link doesnt work -> Can't execute application: mozilla $url
[07:28] <lolziac> check preferences
[07:28] <DeBert> Start/System Settings/User Account/Default Applications
[07:29] <lolziac> fixed :D had to change aMSN preferences
[07:29] <lolziac> insted of mozilla $url - replaed it with firefox
[07:30] <dumezil> when you say start, do you mean the k menu?
[07:34] <heinkel_111> brb booting windows :(
[07:40] <m0ns00n> Hmm
[07:40] <m0ns00n> AMD64 crashes constantly on Kubuntu
[07:40] <m0ns00n> Is there anything I can do?
[07:41] <m0ns00n> Compile my own kernel or what?
[07:41] <frank23> m0ns00n: what do you mean crashes?
[07:41] <m0ns00n> I can't run the system in KDE more than 10 minutes before it crashes
[07:41] <frank23> when?
[07:41] <m0ns00n> I'm running the NVidia drivers _without_ renderaccel as I don't want a rainbow, but a display
[07:41] <frank23> m0ns00n: does it freeze? nothing responds anymore?
[07:41] <m0ns00n> No
[07:42] <m0ns00n> x.org crashes
[07:42] <m0ns00n> 1 time when I tried to apply icon changes
[07:42] <frank23> what happens with the nv driver?
[07:42] <m0ns00n> I dunno
[07:42] <m0ns00n> I'm not running it, it's too slow
[07:42] <m0ns00n> I want to feel like I'm on a faster computer than my old 1.1ghz
[07:42] <m0ns00n> =)
[07:43] <frank23> Well if nv works fine, then the problem is with the nvidia drivers
[07:43] <frank23> I don't know how to fix it but at least you would have a usable system
[07:44] <m0ns00n> I've heard Suse runs perfect with NVidia drivers on AMD64
[07:44] <m0ns00n> Kubuntu doesn't even provide half of the KDE 3.5 packages on amd64
[07:44] <frank23> the nvidia drivers worked fine for me too when I ran AMD64.
[07:45] <frank23> I just use the i386 version of ubuntu now and avoid all those problems ;)
[07:46] <ubuntu> hello, i'm using kubuntu live cd atm and want to mount a hardisk (read-only), however i need root-rights. How to have them WITH THE LIVE-CD?
[07:47] <colm> ubuntu, use sudo - check out #kubuntu for further help
[07:47] <frank23> !rootsudo
[07:47] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[07:48] <ubuntu> ok thanks
[07:54] <ubuntu> please, i need some help to mount my 2 harddisks
[07:54] <ubuntu> anyone can help
[07:55] <ubuntu> i made cd /mnt
[07:55] <ubuntu> then
[07:55] <ubuntu> sudo mkdir hda1 hdb1
[07:55] <ubuntu> then mount -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[07:56] <ubuntu> mount -o ro /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
[07:56] <robotgeek> ubuntu: what does it tel lyou?
[07:56] <ubuntu> you must specify filesystem type
[07:57] <robotgeek> ubuntu: what partition is it? windows?
[07:57] <maenty> bootstrap: you need automake version 1.5 or later
[07:57] <maenty> I have automake1.9 installed, any ideas?
[07:57] <ubuntu> it's ntfs, but how to place it?
[07:57] <robotgeek> !ntfs
[07:57] <ubotu> it has been said that ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:57] <ubuntu> robotgeek, yes
[07:58] <robotgeek> maenty: what are you trying to compile?
[07:58] <ubuntu> that should help, thans
[07:58] <maenty> robotgeek: VC-1, to make VLC play VMW9
[07:58] <maenty> robotgeek: http://www.nanocrew.net/2005/09/01/compiling-vlc/
[07:59] <maenty> robotgeek: I'm in the part where I should ./bootstrap under libvc1-1.0 but that gives me the error
[07:59] <robotgeek> maenty: hmm, enjoy
[07:59] <maenty> robotgeek: I would, if it would work :)
[07:59] <robotgeek> maenty: i gave up long time ago, apparently the decoder isn't worth the compiling ;)
[08:01] <maenty> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
[08:01] <maenty> strange, how does it say it's 1.4-p6 even though I have installed automake1.9?
[08:01] <maenty> that's the response of automake --version
[08:02] <robotgeek> maenty: export automake=/path/to/automake1.8
[08:02] <maenty> hmm I have no idea where apt-get install puts stuff
[08:03] <robotgeek> maenty: dpkg -L automake1.9 | grep bin
[08:03] <HymnToLife> /usr/bin most likely
[08:05] <maenty> how can i see where automake= points now?
[08:05] <maenty> is there a command to check where it points currently?
[08:06] <maenty> didn't help, automake --version says still that it's 1.4
[08:07] <robotgeek> maenty: no, but try the make
[08:07] <maenty> robotgeek: ./bootstrap automatically uses the automake
[08:07] <robotgeek> maenty: yeah, try it
[08:08] <maenty> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[08:08] <robotgeek> maenty: i meant the bootstrap
[08:08] <maenty> yes I tried ./bootstrap again, same prob
[08:08] <maenty> bootstrap: you need automake version 1.5 or later
[08:09] <maenty> after that i checked automake --version and noticed that it actually still points to 1.4
[08:09] <robotgeek> maenty: try in #ubuntu maybe
[08:10] <kreiter> quit
[08:10] <pradeepto> robotgeek:
[08:10] <robotgeek> hey pradeepto
[08:11] <ganymed_> hallo
[08:21] <maenty> thanks robotgeek, i got answer and working solution from there
[08:21] <maenty> it seems that automake was linked to the old one
[08:21] <maenty> sudo update-alternatives --config automake let me change the redirection to correct one, and it works now
[08:22] <robotgeek> maenty: ah, nice
[08:23] <ubuntu> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:23] <ubuntu> hi, when i want to mount partiton, i get a "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[08:24] <ubuntu> by typing for ex. "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" (which i created with mkdir in mnt)
[08:25] <ubuntu> i have windows 2000 ntfs btw
[08:27] <ubuntu> HOW can i specify filesystem (where)?
[08:27] <elDeuce> anyone around willing to help me with some usb issues?
[08:27] <ubuntu> i know it's ntfs
[08:28] <robotgeek> ubuntu: mount -t ntfs
[08:28] <ubuntu> ok
[08:28] <ubuntu> trying now
[08:28] <robotgeek> elDeuce: don't ask to ask, just ask
[08:30] <ubuntu> hmm
[08:30] <ubuntu> "mount point does not exist"
[08:30] <ubuntu> :-(
[08:31] <neoncode> What good peer to peer programs can I get for linux?
[08:31] <ubuntu> azureus
[08:31] <Epo^^> hi again!
[08:31] <elDeuce> okay - i have tail logs and lsmod logs -- my usb flash memory when plugged in pulls up konqueror but says sda1 cannot be found
[08:32] <Epo^^> Bah, I can't get Wireless to work
[08:32] <Epo^^> I go to the control panel, click network and it says I need root access
[08:32] <ubuntu> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:32] <ubuntu> i get this
[08:32] <Epo^^> There isn't a button to get it either...
[08:32] <ubuntu> ???
[08:32] <Epo^^> In other dialogs there is, like in Font or something
[08:33] <Epo^^> That doesn't mean it works tho : I put it in, but nothing really happens
[08:33] <Epo^^> I don't get access to the controls
[08:33] <ubuntu> i mean, i get this: "mount: /dev/hdd already mounted or /mnt/hdd busy"
[08:33] <pvh> Are there known problems with the Display Module in Dapper?
[08:33] <pvh> My Display Module won't open in System Settings.
[08:34] <pvh> It simply says "The module Display could not be loaded."
[08:36] <elDeuce> okay - i have tail logs and lsmod logs -- my usb flash memory when plugged in pulls up konqueror but says sda1 cannot be found -- any idea on how to access my usb memory?
[08:36] <ubuntu> robotgeek, what to do when i get this: "mount: /dev/hdd already mounted or /mnt/hdd busy"
[08:36] <ubuntu> ?
[08:36] <robotgeek> ubuntu: mount will show you where
[08:37] <ubuntu> how do you mean?
[08:37] <Epo^^> robotgeek, any solutions to my question?
[08:37] <_niels> I just installed kubuntu (breezy) for the first time. How do I upgrade to KDE 3.5?
[08:38] <robotgeek> Epo^^: Administrator Mode...
[08:52] <Epo^^> robotgeek, yes; that's what it asks for
[08:53] <Epo^^> But there is no dialog to put in the password, and if there is one (in some config parts it is), it doesn't do a thing
[08:53] <Epo^^> I tried the command "kcontrol", but that didn't work either
[08:54] <robotgeek> Epo^^, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:54] <elDeuce> i have tail logs and lsmod logs -- my usb flash memory when plugged in pulls up konqueror but says sda1 cannot be found -- any idea on how to access my usb memory?
[08:55] <weedar> I'd love to have a day without firefox crashing
[08:55] <robotgeek> elDeuce: look in /media
[08:55] <Snake__> weedar: go to opera
[08:55] <elDeuce> not there
[08:55] <weedar> Snake__, I guess I'll just have to...
[08:55] <Snake__> weedar: trust me, youll like it
[08:55] <elDeuce> -  /media shows two cdroms, my floppy, and my two hardrives
[08:55] <Snake__> IMHO its wayy faster
[08:56] <weedar> Snake__, I think I just have bad memories from it beeing ad-driven "back in the day"
[08:56] <Snake__> weedar: Not like that any more
[08:57] <elDeuce> firefox for windows works quite well -- i'm not too sure about this linux version
[08:57] <robotgeek> elDeuce: have you tried ffox1.5
[08:57] <robotgeek> it seems very nice and stable
[08:57] <Snake__> elDeuce: I dont like FF on linux :-/
[08:57] <elDeuce> i am using ffox 1.5
[08:57] <Snake__> robotgeek: its still slow man
[08:57] <robotgeek> Snake__: hmm, pretty good for me
[08:58] <robotgeek> i use konq mostly tho
[08:58] <Snake__> robotgeek: have you tried opera?
[08:58] <robotgeek> Snake__: yeah, it's fast and all, but not so fast as to warrant learning a new browser
[08:58] <elDeuce> robotgeek: Snake__: ffox 1.5 starts up really slow for me, but works okay after that. just seems clunkier then windows version
[08:58] <Snake__> Heh
[08:58] <elDeuce> but no matter what its better then konqueror
[08:58] <Snake__> elDeuce: Yea same here, it takes years to start up, but once its goin its nice
[08:59] <elDeuce> robotgeek: any thoughts on the usb issue?
[08:59] <kroisis> okay, installed kubuntu-desktop successfully, but when I attempt to run K3B it's complaining about not having the cdrdao executables and recommends I install the cdrdao package...how would this be accomplished?
[09:00] <robotgeek> elDeuce: hmm, no further clues, sorry
[09:00] <robotgeek> kroisis: install it using adept
[09:00] <Snake__> kroisis: sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[09:00] <kroisis> robotgeek ok, thanks
[09:00] <elDeuce> An error occurred while loading media:/sda1:
[09:00] <elDeuce> The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist.
[09:01] <elDeuce> robotgeek: thats the error it gives me when i plug in the memory
[09:01] <robotgeek> elDeuce: but try /media/sda1
[09:02] <weedar> Firefox in Linux witout Sessionsaver is not a good idea
[09:02] <weedar> or vice versa: Sessionsaver is a great idea when using Firefox =)
[09:02] <elDeuce> robotgeek: The file or folder file:///media/sda1 does not exist.
[09:03] <robotgeek> elDeuce: can you paste the output of "sudo fdisk -l" and "mount" to the pastebin
[09:03] <Snake__> How do I check how much space my HDD has left?
[09:04] <Tonio_> re
[09:04] <Snake__> re?
[09:04] <elDeuce> Snake__: df
[09:04] <elDeuce> in konsole
[09:04] <Snake__> Oh sheesh
[09:04] <Snake__> thanks
[09:04] <elDeuce> :-)
[09:05] <elDeuce> one of the very few commands i know
[09:05] <elDeuce> thnx to the unix servers i "maintain"
[09:05] <Snake__> lol
[09:06] <kroisis> okay, ....I'm beginning to appreciate kubuntu now...
[09:06] <Snake__> :)
[09:06] <Snake__> kroisis: itll only get better
[09:06] <weedar> "df -h" if you want the output to be readable =)
[09:06] <kroisis> it's kind of irritating not being able to log in to do sysadmin type things as root as first...but one adjusts.
[09:07] <elDeuce> robotgeek: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/595069
[09:07] <lolziac> kubuntu is perfect
[09:07] <Snake__> lolziac: far from it
[09:07] <lolziac> :D today i feel good in linux
[09:07] <lolziac> :D
[09:07] <elDeuce> lolziac: very far from it
[09:07] <lolziac> veryy very very far
[09:07] <kroisis> lolziac, don't say things like that when I'm drinking...I'll have to charge you for a new keyboard!
[09:07] <lolziac> :D
[09:07] <elDeuce> but it makes for a nice learning tool
[09:07] <Snake__> lol
[09:07] <lolziac> lolzzzz
[09:07] <lolziac> hahaha
[09:08] <Snake__> Its very very close to the best tho :)
[09:08] <robotgeek> elDeuce: you are trying to mount sda1?
[09:08] <lolziac> i think
[09:08] <lolziac> there in word yet
[09:08] <lolziac> for that
[09:08] <elDeuce> robotgeek: i dunno, am i?
[09:08] <lolziac> and the word is going to be
[09:08] <lolziac> kubuntuu
[09:08] <lolziac> :d
[09:08] <elDeuce> robotgeek: this is my second day using linux
[09:08] <robotgeek> elDeuce: the usb, right?
[09:08] <elDeuce> robotgeek: yes
[09:08] <kroisis> elDeuce, congratulations!
[09:08] <kroisis> elDeuce, what was your previous os?
[09:09] <elDeuce> robotgeek: i have some knowledge in unix, but no jacks*** about linux
[09:09] <Snake__> Windoze
[09:09] <robotgeek> elDeuce: try "pmount /dev/sda1"
[09:09] <elDeuce> kroisis: WinXP, Unix, Mac OS X
[09:09] <Snake__> Windows XP = L.D. OS
[09:09] <Snake__> Oooo
[09:09] <Snake__> :P
[09:10] <elDeuce> robotgeek: HAHAHAHA, your command gave me an error that reminded me i am a jackass
[09:10] <elDeuce> robotgeek: in winblowz i formated the usb stick to have a name... it was sitting at /media/DEUCE
[09:10] <kroisis> hey, not everyone came to linux from winblows...I came from solaris back in '96
[09:10] <elDeuce> deuce@deuce:~$ pmount /dev/sda1
[09:10] <elDeuce> Error: device /dev/sda1 is already mounted to /media/DEUCE
[09:11] <robotgeek> elDeuce: cool
[09:11] <elDeuce> robotgeek: thnx
[09:11] <Snake__> :P
[09:11] <Snake__> oops
[09:13] <lolziac> ppl
[09:13] <lolziac> can i do a question
[09:13] <kroisis> ...hopefully my 5 yr old daughter will be one of the last generation to recall the windows monopoly
[09:13] <lolziac> is there any way that i can write to ntfs drive
[09:13] <lolziac> ???
[09:13] <lolziac> i mounted my ntfs, but i only can read
[09:15] <elDeuce> lolziac: ntfs is a horrible filesystem and i'm sorry you are using it
[09:15] <elDeuce> lolziac: other then that, i have no helpful advice, sorry :-/
[09:15] <lolziac> elDeuce:  lolz got some more applications that i cant run them in linux
[09:15] <lolziac> till i port them all
[09:15] <lolziac> :D
[09:15] <elDeuce> and i've just broken my spacers in my lobes :-(
[09:16] <elDeuce> lolziac: i stick with fat32
[09:16] <lolziac> hmmm
[09:16] <elDeuce> ah the good ole days of win 98
[09:16] <lolziac> hahaha
[09:16] <ryanakca> I made the stupid mistake of going "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"... how do I uninstall it?
[09:16] <neoncode> elDeuce: "good" ?
[09:16] <elDeuce> when everything worked the way you expected it to and you could set your watch to the blue screen of death
[09:16] <lolziac> :D
[09:16] <lolziac> yeep
[09:17] <neoncode> ryanakca: "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop"? Not sure though
[09:17] <kroisis> lolziac, http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/eac/knowledgebaseAnswer/0,295199,sid63_gci1053298,00.html  <-- a bit dated but worth the read possibly
[09:17] <ryanakca> neoncode: no... ubuntu-desktop is a meta package....
[09:17] <elDeuce> robotgeek: you know about about the nvidia drivers?
[09:18] <neoncode> ryanakca: Ahh... Then you now have a few hundered extra packages... I dunno...
[09:18] <lolziac> kroisis: thanx man
[09:18] <lolziac> :D
[09:20] <elDeuce> anyone know anything about the nvidia drivers?
[09:21] <Marrs> I use them :)
[09:21] <neoncode>  I have ATi
[09:21] <elDeuce> grr
[09:21] <cerdg> what do you want to know about them?
[09:21] <elDeuce> i got everything installed but it wont let me go to higher resolutions that i know exist
[09:22] <Marrs> check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:22] <Marrs> there should be a list of resolutions there
[09:22] <kroisis> lolziac, I'm seeing where it seems that you can write to NTFS partitions fine from SuSE 10 Linux, using Captive, but it's pretty limted
[09:23] <elDeuce> Marrs: will check, thnx
[09:23] <Flosoft> Flosoft
[09:23] <Flosoft> 	why does kded crash on login?
[09:23] <Flosoft> 
[09:23] <Flosoft> Flosoft
[09:23] <Flosoft> 	is there a bugfix for Dapper?
[09:23] <Flosoft> 
[09:23] <Flosoft> 21:14
[09:23] <Flosoft> 	Flosoft
[09:23] <Flosoft> 	because nearly all applications like Konqueror don't start afterwards ... and sometimes I can't login ... if I already logged in before ... without restarting the PC ...
[09:24] <kroisis> man, mine started me out at 1280x1024 on a freakin' 17" monitor...dude, the print was so tiny I had to move in to be bale to change the default resolution...
[09:48] <lolziac> i just did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:48] <lolziac> it was installing
[09:49] <lolziac> till now and asking for /etc/qt3/qtrc
[09:49] <lolziac> should i do Y
[09:49] <lolziac> right
[09:49] <lolziac> ???
[09:50] <lolziac> 1 2 3 i go with Y :)
[09:51] <m0ns00n> Man
[09:52] <m0ns00n> No linux distro likes this AMD64 computer
[09:53] <tomcatt> hello all.
[09:53] <treakath> hey all\
[09:53] <tomcatt> what's the word as far as upgrading to dapper from breeze?
[09:53] <m0ns00n> When installin i386 version of Kubuntu I'm told I get a fatal error
[09:54] <m0ns00n> But since the amd64 fucks up completely this is my only option
[09:54] <treakath> is dapper any good???????
[09:54] <JohnFlux> treakath: you could fit in some more ?  I think
[09:54] <m0ns00n> I haven't tried
[09:54] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: maybe you have a hardware problem
[09:55] <treakath> fit some more what????
[09:55] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: Could be but I doubt it
[09:55] <tomcatt> it's okay, but that was the gnome version.
[09:55] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: I dunno anyone who ever got a AMD64 to install perfectly on Windows, Linux or whatever
[09:55] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: It's still too young
[09:56] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: I'm using amd64 now :P
[09:56] <JohnFlux> treakath: some more question marks
[09:56] <JohnFlux> treakath: if you tried hard
[09:56] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: there are many versions/types of amd64
[09:57] <treakath> yea i no
[09:57] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: And many mainboards
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: perhaps, but i've tried 2
[09:57] <JohnFlux> treakath: "know"
[09:57] <treakath> kk
[09:57] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: This is a MSI board with NForce4 and AMD64 3500
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: run a hardware checked
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: checker
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: start with memtest86 maybe
[09:57] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: I wouldn't rule out hardware so fast
[09:57] <treakath> whats a good linux to download
[09:57] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux: First I'm gonna try with i386
[09:58] <JohnFlux> m0ns00n: good luck
[09:58] <m0ns00n> JohnFlux:
[09:58] <m0ns00n> thanks
[09:58] <treakath> im using kubuntu at the mo
[09:58] <JohnFlux> treakath: gentoo is good.  try that
[09:59] <treakath> i got a laptop and my mate wont install it for me
[09:59] <dottedline> treakath: Kubuntu is really quite good without the silly sudo blockade
[09:59] <treakath> :'(
[10:00] <dottedline> gentoo really requires a more advanced user
[10:02] <JohnFlux> treakath: if you want to just get going without the hassle of install, you could try a live cd
[10:02] <tomplast> hi
[10:02] <JohnFlux> treakath: such as knoppix
[10:02] <tomplast> is there anyone good at wireless connections?
[10:02] <cerdg> knoppix is great
[10:03] <tomplast> or kubuntu optimizations?
[10:03] <JohnFlux> tomplast: ask don't ask to ask
[10:03] <treakath> dottedline and johnflux have you got msn if you do this is my add antonne_de_graaf@hotmail.com
[10:03] <JohnFlux> treakath: sorry too busy
[10:04] <treakath> whats yours then
[10:04] <tomplast> I'm trying to get a laptop at school working with a D-LINK Wireless PCMIA (one that you plug in or something) card and the first time it detected it and could establish a connection but now it doesnt work and I have not changed anything.
[10:05] <treakath> dont have it on cd its not out in nz on cd yet
[10:05] <dottedline> treakath: I don't use M$ anything...
[10:06] <treakath> kk
[10:08] <Psi-Jack> !QuickTime
[10:08] <ubotu> [quicktime]  read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information on quicktime support or just install the "libquicktime1" package.
[10:12] <_treakath> johnflux what were you saying about koppix
[10:13] <JohnFlux> _treakath: google for knoppix
[10:14] <elDeuce> Marrs: thanks for the info - got my resolution set now!
[10:15] <Marrs> you're welcome!
[10:15] <cycus_zwisus> i've got a little problem with fonts
[10:15] <raveneye> lol cycus i bet it has to do with xmms?
[10:15] <cycus_zwisus> i fell in love with dejavu sans condensed :)
[10:16] <raveneye> so no xmms
[10:16] <robotgeek> !lart me
[10:16] <_treakath> i got it on cd but ma mate wont in stall gentoo or knoppix
[10:16] <cycus_zwisus> i'd like to use it for gtk-apps interface as well, but i can't
[10:16] <_treakath> on my laptop
[10:17] <cycus_zwisus> i mean i set something like gtk-font-name="DejaVu Sans Condensed 11" in .gtkrc-2.0
[10:18] <dottedline> treakath: if some else has to install it, you don't want gentoo - no disrespect intended
[10:18] <cycus_zwisus> but the interface fonts looks rather like dejavu sans, not dejavu sans condensed
[10:19] <cycus_zwisus> in opera (qt) it looks as it should look, the problem is with gtk2 apps
[10:19] <raveneye> hmmm you might get it working with gtk2 aps but i doubt if you get it working with gtk1.x for gtk 2 apps you need gtkthemeswitch (not sure where the dashes go) and a bunch of gtk2engines apt-cache search -n engines might do the trick... for gtk1. aps and xmms your best bet will be the transcoded xfonts.
[10:19] <elDeuce> how come kubuntu doesnt have any games on it?
[10:20] <robotgeek> elDeuce: hm, there only so much you can fit on a cd
[10:20] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: It does.
[10:20] <cycus_zwisus> i don't want it for gtk1, i hardly use gtk1 apps
[10:20] <elDeuce> robotgeek: where can i dl them
[10:20] <Marrs> it does not over here ;)
[10:20] <elDeuce> Psi-Jack: where at?
[10:20] <sorin_> Hi.
[10:20] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: Open up Adept, and set the filter to games
[10:20] <robotgeek> elDeuce: look in adept
[10:20] <raveneye> try apt-get install kdegames
[10:21] <elDeuce> i'm not sure what that means
[10:21] <raveneye> sorry sudo apt-get install kdegames
[10:21] <sorin_> I don't understand why Firefox looks like shit in Kubuntu when gtk-qt seems to be installed and enabled in system settings.
[10:21] <Marrs> adept is an application
[10:21] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: If you actually looked for adept in your KDE menu, you'd know what I was talking about.
[10:21] <Marrs> it is used to install programs
[10:22] <elDeuce> Psi-Jack: if you fucked off and died maybe it would be better then acting like i know every god damn thing there is to know about linux you dick
[10:22] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: It's time for you to leave.
[10:23] <elDeuce> Psi-Jack: its time for you to stop acting like a god just because you know more about linux then me
[10:23] <robotgeek> elDeuce: you should respect coc
[10:23] <robotgeek> !coc
[10:23] <ubotu> coc is, like, the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:23] <Marrs> relax guys...
[10:23] <Psi-Jack> Such attitude, over such a simple thing. My word, some people have problems. :(
[10:24] <robotgeek> elDeuce: i don't see anything wrong with what Psi-Jack said, really
[10:24] <Tm_T> me neither
[10:25] <dottedline> elDuece: adept is an apt-get gui used to simplify downloading programs you would like to have on your PC
[10:25] <Tm_T> just if I'm needed... ;)
[10:25] <elDeuce> robotgeek: "he" didnt have to get an attitude. Marrs defined it just fine "an application used to install programs"
[10:25] <cycus_zwisus> raveneye, the problem concerns only interface, on web pages (firefox) dejavu sans condensed looks ok
[10:26] <robotgeek> elDeuce: again, it seemed pretty normal. he said almost exactly what i said :)
[10:26] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: I never gave you attitude. I merely pointed out the obvious.
[10:26] <elDeuce> if you had never used Windows and i told you to look in system directory you'd have no clue what i meant - so welcome to my world
[10:26] <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: It was you whom directly attacked me for absolutely no reason at all.
[10:27] <cycus_zwisus> i want dejavu sans condensed in my gtk2 apps, it's the nicest font for linux i've ever seen!!
[10:27] <Tm_T> hey, cool it down and take own room if you like to continue
[10:27] <vicks> not supporting elDeuces' response at all, but maybe it wasn't that  obvious to him
[10:27] <robotgeek> elDeuce: Kmenu -> Sysyem -> Adept
[10:28] <elDeuce> robotgeek: i got the games installed, thnx
[10:28] <elDeuce> went to /media/USBNAME and got it to work
[10:28] <elDeuce> should be /media/sda1 - but since i formated it in WinXP it was /media/DEUCE
[10:28] <elDeuce> thnx
[10:28] <Tm_T> if you feel someone behave badly, attacking to him will not make things better ;(
[10:29] <lolziac> ubuntu ppl is there mplayer from ubuntu
[10:29] <lolziac> ??
[10:29] <HymnToLife> of course there is
[10:29] <elDeuce> Psi-Jack: next time i suggest you word things differently to get the same meaning, and you'd even get to type less  ---  [15:21]  <Psi-Jack> elDeuce: look for adept in your KDE menu
[10:29] <lolziac> lolziac@lolziac:/usr/lib/firefox/plugins$ sudo apt-cache search mplayer
[10:29] <lolziac> ksubtile - subtitle editor for KDE
[10:29] <lolziac> mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[10:29] <lolziac> tea - small text editor with syntax highlighting & UTF support
[10:29] <lolziac> HymnToLife:
[10:29] <robotgeek> lolziac, don't paste in here. Please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:30] <cycus_zwisus> btw, i know how to get nice fonts for gtk1 :P
[10:30] <lolziac> srry
[10:30] <Tm_T> elDeuce: I said already, drop it
[10:30] <raveneye> cycus_zwisus i understand that still for gtk2apps to atapt a certain style (widgets fonts fontsize) you gonna need gtk-themeswitch2 (still not sure where the dashes go!)  oh and before i forget in systemsettings kdemenu > systemsettings > appearence there is a gtk styles and fonts setting option... check it out.
[10:30] <HymnToLife> lolziac> do you have universe/multiverse enabled ?
[10:30] <elDeuce> Tm_T: i was just showing him how to save keystrokes
[10:30] <raveneye> it might do the gtk-themeswitch thingy for you
[10:30] <lolziac> HymnToLife: its my first day in linux
[10:31] <sorin_> Sorry, I got disconnected.  I was asking, "I don't understand why Firefox looks horrible in Kubuntu when gtk-qt seems to be installed and enabled in system settings?"
[10:31] <lolziac> so that doesnt ring me a bell
[10:31] <lolziac> :D
[10:31] <cycus_zwisus> raveneye, i've already checked it :/
[10:31] <HymnToLife> ok
[10:31] <lolziac> how do i enable it
[10:31] <lolziac> HymnToLife:
[10:31] <HymnToLife> run kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:31] <lolziac> i think i did that
[10:32] <lolziac> enabling to get from internet
[10:32] <HymnToLife> obviously you didn't do it well
[10:32] <cycus_zwisus> i'm afraid i'll have to return to  ugly ms fonts :/
[10:32] <HymnToLife> so delete everything in the file and paste this one instead http://membres.lycos.fr/mafiaboy03/sources.list
[10:33] <lolziac> ill do that
[10:33] <lolziac> :D
[10:33] <lolziac> eventhough till now i was getting packged
[10:33] <lolziac> done man
[10:33] <HymnToLife> if you couldn't get mplayer you obviously didn't have the right sources
[10:33] <lolziac> replaced it
[10:33] <HymnToLife> ok, close the file (save the changes)
[10:33] <HymnToLife> and run sudo apt-get update
[10:34] <vicks> for n00bie friendliness, adept should have something like the synaptic ubuntu-specific repo-selection
[10:34] <lolziac> Getting Packages HymnToLife :)
[10:34] <HymnToLife> cool :)
[10:35] <HymnToLife> vicks> I really don't like adept
[10:35] <leafw> any clues on how to get the external monitor to work?
[10:35] <vicks> na, me neither, bet it seems were stuck with it ;)
[10:35] <lolziac> HymnToLife: Done
[10:35] <leafw> is there an autodetection setup app ?
[10:35] <HymnToLife> maybe it's ause I used Synaptic for so long, but I never managed to install anything with it :D
[10:35] <lolziac> i see now
[10:35] <lolziac> :D
[10:35] <lolziac> lots of mplaers
[10:36] <lolziac> i was using this http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[10:36] <lolziac> :S
[10:36] <lolziac> my mistake, wanted to do it by my self
[10:36] <leafw> is there an autodetection setup app ?
[10:36] <leafw> any clues on how to get the external monitor to work?
[10:37] <leafw> anyone, how to setup an external monitor? I need to project some slides
[10:37] <HymnToLife> lolziac> no need for it :)you can get basically whatever you need through apt-get
[10:37] <sorin_> I think GTK is not installed, and gtk-qt obvioulsy does not know how to style X's default widgets.
[10:38] <vicks> actually a module for selecting and setting repos in system settings would be cool. ubuntu have something like this
[10:43] <m0ns00n> Seems linux has issues with APIC and AMD64?
[10:43] <m0ns00n> (APIC issues goes way back)
[10:45] <sorin_> I love the new Control Panel in KDE 3.5.  It looks exactly like  OS X.  I would have expected gnome to clone that before kde.
[10:45] <|GuS|> Hi!!
[10:46] <|GuS|> one question.... Is Kubutu dapper open for translations?
[10:47] <leafw> external monitor, anyone?
[10:47] <leafw> how to set it up?
[10:47] <leafw> this should be easy ...
[10:48] <leafw> sorin_: if you then add Baghira, you have your 'mac' ready.
[10:49] <sorin_> neah
[10:49] <sorin_> I can shrink the taskbar
[10:49] <sorin_> more useful than the apple dock
[10:50] <sorin_> it's hard to choose  between kde and gnome. functionality vs simplicity.  though gnome can be prettyfied.
[10:51] <divansantana> kde cn b too...
[10:52] <sorin_> kde is pretty enough
[10:54] <vicks> i must say that kubuntu is moving kde to more and more clean style. dapper improves lots of little details
[10:54] <sorin_> I'm running dapper.
[10:55] <sorin_> I'm waiting for KDE4.
[10:55] <vicks> aren't we all
[10:55] <|GuS|> Sorin... is there a date set for KDE4 ?
[10:56] <sorin_> 2007
[10:56] <|GuS|> Thanks
[10:56] <leafw>  anyone on how to plug an external monitor
[10:56] <leafw> it's not automatically recognized
[10:56] <sorin_> How does one list all processes that are accessing a certain file?
[10:56] <|GuS|> i want to see  the Plasma project :)
[10:57] <|GuS|> External monitor?
[10:57] <leafw> a slidep projector
[10:57] <leafw> in a laptop
[10:57] <leafw> do I have to change the xorg.conf ?
[10:57] <leafw> is there an app to autodetect displays?
[10:57] <|GuS|> mmm, wich connector?
[10:58] <leafw> VGA
[10:58] <|GuS|> and Video board?
[10:58] <leafw> well, digital into VGA ... this is a powerbook
[10:58] <_brandon_> how to i install kget downloader? cause i tryed to use apt-get install kget and it says that there is no package.
[10:58] <|GuS|> yes, you must onfigure in xorg... but for every VGA board has its own
[10:58] <|GuS|> if i am not wrong...
[10:59] <leafw> |GuS|: which means, I'd better find an example
[10:59] <_brandon_> how to i install kget downloader? cause i tryed to use apt-get install kget and it says that there is no package.
[10:59] <|GuS|> i just know how with nVidia...
[11:01] <|GuS|> _brandon_: have you uncommented all repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:01] <_brandon_> how to i do that i know how to in gnome but not kde
[11:02] <|GuS|> comment-out*
[11:02] <|GuS|> is the same brandon
[11:02] <_brandon_> kk
[11:02] <leafw> I think this baby carries a Gforce
[11:02] <leafw> but I can't even see it
[11:02] <leafw> because the KDE system settings no longer lists the hardware
[11:02] <|GuS|> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:02] <|GuS|> ok leafw
[11:03] <|GuS|> try lspci
[11:03] <|GuS|> and you will see...
[11:03] <|GuS|> on VGA compatible controller: line
[11:03] <leafw> ok
[11:04] <leafw> ok, an ATI Radeon R250 Lf
[11:05] <|GuS|> ok
[11:05] <SpookyET> for some idiotic reason, aptitude is not asking me to insert the ubuntu cd and it is downloading the packages, even though it is added to the apt database.
[11:05] <|GuS|> for ati.. thereis a package named atitvout...
[11:05] <leafw> now for the proper xorg
[11:05] <leafw> there is ?
[11:05] <SpookyET> apt is driving me nuts.  it only wants /media/cdrom.  Well, i got 3 cdroms, can't it look through all?
[11:05] <|GuS|> yep
[11:05] <leafw> let's see it ...
[11:06] <|GuS|> Spooky you can see in /etc/fstab
[11:06] <leafw> not for ppc
[11:06] <|GuS|> ok leafw
[11:07] <|GuS|> you must compile it by yourselft http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/atitvout/
[11:07] <_brandon_> kk i uncommented the universe lines
[11:07] <leafw> I never thought this could be so hard
[11:07] <leafw> should be automated
[11:07] <|GuS|> jeje... ATI is a little sh....
[11:07] <SpookyET> See what in fstab?
[11:08] <|GuS|> the conf for the media suff SpookyET...
[11:08] <SpookyET> i can access all 3 cdroms
[11:08] <|GuS|> time for go home!! bye
[11:08] <SpookyET> but apt is only looking at /media/cdrom
[11:08] <SpookyET> not the other 2
[11:09] <Tm_T> !botabuse
[11:09] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[11:09] <leafw> |Gus|: PPC: No TV-Out on Macs with this tool
[11:09] <robotgeek> leafw: is it a ibook?
[11:09] <leafw> powerbook
[11:10] <leafw> can't see the external monitor
[11:10] <leafw> any clue?
[11:10] <m0ns00n> The AMD64 system is still crashing with or without amd64
[11:10] <leafw> I have an VGA  ATI Radeon
[11:10] <_brandon_> thanx gus it worked
[11:10] <robotgeek> leafw: okay, svid out will not work
[11:10] <leafw> svid ?
[11:10] <leafw> well, never heard ...
[11:10] <robotgeek> leafw: s video?
[11:11] <leafw> is it an apt-gettable package ?
[11:11] <m0ns00n> hmm
[11:11] <robotgeek> leafw: no, it is a connector on the older powerbooks
[11:11] <m0ns00n> Why is kubuntu running the nforce 2 driver with nforce4?
[11:11] <leafw> this is a PB Ti 3.5 1Ghz
[11:12] <leafw> when it comes to monitors, I have no clue
[11:12] <robotgeek> leafw: do you also have a video port which resembles a normal "PC" video out?
[11:12] <leafw> no, no standard VGA, but I have a cable adapter to a VGA
[11:12] <SpookyET>  What's the command to change betweeen gdm and kdm?
[11:12] <robotgeek> leafw: okay, shutdown linux, connect it to the monitor and boot it up
[11:12] <leafw> I did so
[11:13] <robotgeek> leafw: make sure you close the lid
[11:13] <leafw> and also the other way around
[11:13] <leafw> the lid ?
[11:13] <leafw> ok, shut down, close the lid, reboot ?
[11:13] <robotgeek> leafw: yes, reboot, wait for the sound and close the lid
[11:13] <leafw> ok
[11:13] <robotgeek> SpookyET: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:13] <leafw> I'll try
[11:13] <leafw> see you in a moment
[11:14] <leafw> any further instruction ?
[11:14] <robotgeek> leafw: if you get dual monitor working, let me know ;)
[11:14] <leafw> xD
[11:14] <leafw> ok
[11:14] <leafw> I'll be back.
[11:15] <SpookyET> It really sucks that Amarok can't index and play from samba shares.
[11:24] <raveneye> time to lay me head down on both ears... nite all...
[11:30] <trappist> who said amarok can't index and play from samba shares?
[11:31] <leafw> robotgeek_away: no way to get the external screen for the PowerBook Ti
[11:32] <leafw> and now I have weird antialiased fonts
[11:32] <leafw> which I don't want
[11:35] <borelia> !flash
[11:35] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:37] <shawn__> !java
[11:37] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:37] <shawn__> !javadebs
[11:39] <leafw> !vga
[11:39] <ubotu> leafw: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:40] <leafw> !monitor
[11:40] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, leafw
[11:48] <murph2481> alright trying to make MP3's using KAudioCreator
[11:48] <murph2481> i get the message The selected encoder was not found.
[11:48] <murph2481> any suggestions?
[11:49] <HymnToLife> !lame
[11:49] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, HymnToLife
[11:49] <murph2481> !lame
[11:49] <HymnToLife> hmm well you certainly have to install lame to encore mp3
[11:50] <murph2481> where do i get that
[11:50] <murph2481> i am not seeing it in synaptic
[11:50] <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get install lame :)
[11:50] <HymnToLife> hmm
[11:51] <murph2481> Package lame is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:51] <murph2481> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:51] <murph2481> is only available from another source
[11:51] <HymnToLife> you obviously don't have the correct repos
[11:51] <murph2481> i haven't changed what came with the dapper flight 3
[11:52] <murph2481> is there something i should add?
[11:52] <HymnToLife> hmm dapper
[11:52] <HymnToLife> you should go to #ubuntu+1 then
[11:53] <jjs01h> can't get xorg to do 1920x1280, even though that is this lcd's native resolution. runs at 1600x1200 instead :\
[11:53] <jjs01h> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to no avail. how can i get the timings for the advanced setup?
[11:54] <gleesond> is there a good tool to rip my cd's to ogg
[11:54] <gleesond> or mp3 or what ever is the best
[11:54] <murph2481> looks like sound-juicer would do it for you
[11:54] <HymnToLife> gleesond> abcde
[11:54] <shawn__> kAudioCreator works fine
[11:55] <leafw> robotgeek_away: more on screens: now my 1280x854 screen resolution setting has disappeared
[11:55] <leafw> even though it's what it says in the xorg.conf
[11:55] <leafw> I don't get it.
[11:55] <leafw> and I don't know how to restore it, it lets me put 1280x800, which gives skewed fonts!
[11:56] <yoge> H3LL0 .I've just installed ubuntu,Can I download the packages for kubuntu-desktop, burn them on a CD (on another machine) and then install them on the ubuntu machine?
[11:56] <leafw> yoge: yes
[11:56] <leafw> see man apt-get
[11:56] <leafw> to download only
[11:56] <leafw> then install the *.deb packages with dpkg -i
[11:56] <HymnToLife> yoge> yes though it's not recommended
[11:58] <yoge> HymnToLife :doh! So what's the best choice #apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or #apt-cd cdrom add "kubuntu install cd"
[11:59] <judgen> How do i make Ati remote wonder work in ubuntu?
[11:59] <HymnToLife> yoge> you can't connect to the internet from your ubuntu machine ?
[12:00] <HymnToLife> better do from Kubuntu CD then
[12:00] <leafw> anyone know how to force a screen resolution, outside System Settings ?
[12:00] <HymnToLife> !resolution
[12:00] <ubotu> resolution is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:00] <leafw> thanks
[12:00] <yoge> HymnToLife > it's a really slow connection, and I already have install ubuntu breezy
[12:01] <leafw> the thing is, my xorg.conf already specifies the proper resolution, but the KDE system settings says 1280x800, which is incorrect
[12:02] <leafw> should be 1280x854
[12:02] <HymnToLife> yoge> better install from Kubuntu CD then
[12:02] <leafw> so the fonts look weird
[12:02] <ganymed_> hallo