[12:04] meh === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-106.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-101-231.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Surak [n=Surak@201009099253.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] does anyone wknow what the freeze date for dapper is? [12:26] ccharles: wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule [12:26] it is currently [12:27] hub: depends on what freeze we are talking about ;-) [12:28] speaking on that, string freeze is five days from now on. someone at ubuntubrasil said that the wiser would be translate for breezy, that dapper will sync strings from breezy's rosetta. is this correct? === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F469E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] LaserJock: ah right [12:32] I put two of my employees translating ubuntu on rosetta for breezy for eight hours a day, so we can improve ubuntu. Is breezy the correct target? [12:35] Surak, the person you need to talk to Martin Pitt, who lives in Germany and is thus likely asleep [12:37] Burgwork: do you know what nickname he uses here, so I can leave him a memo? [12:37] Surak, pitti [12:38] I'd send an email rather than hoping he checks memos on freenode [12:41] ajmitch_ : you are correct. done. === theCore [n=alex@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778051.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Engla [n=ulrik@wikipedia/Sverdrup] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xoritor [n=xoritor@xorit.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _lemsx1_ [n=lemsx1@p86-65.acedsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mementor [n=villejuh@dsl-kjngw1-ff83c000-43.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] I think I found a cause to my GTK Breakiness [02:24] Kyral : which kind of break? [02:24] /s what [02:24] GNOME and XFCE breakign on startup like CRAZY [02:25] I've noticed a wierd error in my Dist-Upgrades... [02:25] lemme get it again and pastebin it [02:28] ...in 15 mins when its finished... === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.163.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel === leonel [n=leonel@201.123.51.130] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === susus [n=sz@p5089CC56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9944 [02:50] Thats the error [02:52] Kyral: and have you filed a bug? [02:52] ajmitch_: I dunno what package to file it on [02:52] its affecting waaay too much === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.10.73.129.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === itsthetide2 [n=itstheti@s205-206-127-217.ab.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pietrus [n=pietrus@c9259f0a.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@200.96.250.79] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] infinity, ping [03:37] pong [03:38] Are you volunteering to do Flight-5 prep testing? :) [03:38] How kind. [03:39] infinity: does that mean Flight5 will be out soonish? [03:39] LaserJock: That's the general plan... Unless it doesn't happen. === infinity needs to hack the livecds a bit. [03:39] great, I imght have a new amd64 box to test it on next week [03:40] infinity, well - I'd love to - but i'd need a machine to install to :d [03:40] And by next week, you mean "right now", right? [03:40] infinity, no - referring to the scim hack - you looked at it yet [03:40] infinity: ok, I was thinking of installing Flight4 but I'll just wait until 5 is out [03:41] Mez: Nope. Let me take 5 minutes out and poke it right now, so you can stop bugging me. :) [03:41] infinity, lol ;) [03:44] infinity: im up for some testing [03:44] infinity: is the bug i reported fixed? breaking kubuntu installs atm [03:44] dunno if itl break an ubuntu install or not [03:44] Lathiat: yes [03:44] Lathiat, which bug? [03:44] Kamion: sweet [03:45] fixed as of this morning, although there may not have been new CD builds yet [03:45] ;) [03:45] so wen can we expect espresso ? [03:45] er ... in fact there probably won't have been since the CD cronjobs are disabled [03:45] ive got two laptops and an amd64 ready and waiting for testing :) [03:45] Kamion: heh [03:45] Mez: oh, I dunno, how about the Flight CD 4 release announcement [03:45] Kamion, oh... === Lathiat laughs [03:45] Kamion: Keep 'em disabled anyway, dailies will just mess with my head. :) [03:45] er [03:45] i have to try that [03:45] infinity: right [03:45] Kamion, whoops ;) [03:46] Kamion, I dont really read them as i update hourly - I assume I've got all the new features ;) [03:46] Mez: Erm, dude. libscim8 conflicts with libscim8, libscim-dev depends on libscim8c2a, and a variety of other breakages... [03:46] Kamion: espresso is not available for translation in rosetta, isn't it? [03:47] Mez: Also, why change bits of the packaging that shouldn't relate at all (changing the config.{sub,guess} handling from symlinks to copies? [03:47] infinity, lol - ok - but - er - still - the control file needs fixing - but the issue is it not being overwritten [03:47] Surak: not yet, I still need to sort out internationalisation of it in general, sorry [03:47] infinity, that change was because it FTBFS unless I changed it [03:47] and before doing that I need to make a somewhat complicated extension to debconf [03:47] should happen soon though === infinity does some tests in a clean breezy chroot.. [03:48] Mez: most of the reason I bother writing release announcements is to describe the things that can't be seen by people just updating regularly [03:48] i.e. installer / live CD changes [03:48] Kamion, ah - see- I didnt know that - I thought it was just to keep people up to date with new stuff ;) [03:48] it's only very recently that they've described *anything* other than installer and live CD changes [03:50] Mez: Dude. Is it okay for me to visit violence on you now? :) [03:50] Mez: infinity what is this scim problem you are discussing? [03:50] infinity, lol - not exactly [03:51] seeing as it still doesnt solve my question [03:51] minghua: Just some backporting issues Mez is having. [03:51] which is why is the control hack not working [03:51] at all [03:51] it's not even replacing the control file [03:51] Right, which is obvious. [03:51] So, you want to use lsb_release in your debian/rules, right? [03:51] yeah, I figured that out when I remember Mez is the backport guy [03:51] And build-deps from from the .dsc file, right? [03:51] Which is generated when the source package is built, with dapper's control file. [03:52] (build-deps need to be the same in both control files) [03:52] The end. [03:52] the B-D's are fine :D [03:52] Uhm, no, they're not. [03:52] Look again. [03:52] whats wrong with it ? [03:52] I just explained. [03:53] Build-deps are parse from the .dsc file, which is generated from debian/control. You only added your build-deps to debian/control-breezy [03:53] You can't do that. [03:53] Build-dpes are parsed way before your hack comes into effect. [03:53] deps, too. [03:53] build deps dont change ... [03:54] (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~/scim/scim-1.4.4/debian$ diff -u control control-breezy [03:54] -Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), dpatch, autotools-dev, intltool, x-dev | xlibs-dev, libx11-dev | xlibs-dev, libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.4.0), libxt-dev | xlibs-dev [03:54] +Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), dpatch, autotools-dev, intltool, x-dev | xlibs-dev, libx11-dev | xlibs-dev, libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.4.0), libxt-dev | xlibs-dev, base-files, lsb-release [03:54] ah - lol that was cause i forgot to remove that from the -breezy one ;) [03:54] lol [03:55] as you said before I didnt need it [03:55] You don't need base-files, you /do/ need lsb-release [03:55] It's hard to call it if it isn't there. [03:55] maybe thats why it isnt working === Mez trie [03:56] or is there something else I'm missing ? [03:56] In other news, your hack breaks the clean target. [03:56] o_O [03:57] You really want something more robust like "if [ blah ] ; then mv control control-dapper && cp control-breezy control; fi" and the reverse in clean. [03:57] Otherwise, you've just overwritten control with control-breezy, and a new build of the source package will get breezy's control. [03:58] (err, make that first mv a cp as well) [03:58] But you get the idea. [03:58] I see... [03:58] though I never thought about it being outside of a chroot environment [03:58] like pbuild or a buildd [03:59] In theory, from any point in a build, you should be able to do "debian/rules clean" and return to pristine source. [03:59] There are some notably broken exceptions in the archive, but I'd prefer they remain exceptions, rather than becoming the rule. :) [04:00] infinity: even if one of the target in debian/rules is not finished? that would be pretty hard, I think [04:00] minghua: Well, not if it's still running, but if it's "finished", as in "died", then yes. [04:00] not every upstream makefile cleans very well after an interrupt in buildding [04:01] minghua: But yes, some upstream makefiles are broken (I've fixed a few to clean properly in packages I've maintained) [04:01] minghua: And some are so hopelessly broken that a more violent approach (copy everything to build/ and rm -rf build/ in clean) works well. :) [04:01] infinity: Hmm, I see. Maybe I should learn autotools and start fixing upstream makefiles as well [04:02] infinity, I've made the changes to the control/rules files [04:02] I'll test and upload again to revu if it doesnt work [04:03] Mez: Upload to REVU anyway, I'd like to give it a once-over. [04:03] infinity, no probs [04:03] I dont even know why I'm doing this === Mez shouts at launchpad guys to get backports working [04:04] Backports may magically work in a few days. Shhh. [04:04] infinity, maybe - but isnt that because of the whole making it an uploadable target? [04:05] or have you been playing with the buildds? [04:05] The latter. [04:05] lol ;) [04:05] fair enough [04:05] I thought it was laiunchpad not the buildd's [04:05] ;) [04:06] though - we still gotta get them past elmo - and he's gotta re-make his scripts for soyuz [04:06] or not ... [04:06] mv: cannot stat `debian/control-breezy': No such file or directory [04:06] it nearly worked [04:07] You want cp -f === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] cp -f? [04:08] what difference does that make if it cant find the file ? [04:08] Oh, right. [04:08] lol [04:08] [ -f foo ] && cp foo [04:09] though that was before I made the changes [04:09] so I'll try again [04:09] g'night [04:09] night Kinnison [04:10] night Kinnison [04:10] msg infinity I'm getting a strange error now [04:10] grr [04:10] s/msg// [04:10] /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.10.64.234.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] I'll let you figure that one out yourself by retracing your steps. :) [04:11] that's usually because you forgot a trailing ` or ) or something like that in one of your commands === stu1 is now known as stub [04:11] hmmles === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] Evening all [04:13] ] EXPECTED [04:13] wtf? [04:14] Still missing a closing quote or something. [04:14] if [ `lsb_release -c -s` = "breezy" ] ; [04:14] then [04:14] cp debian/control debian/control-dapper [04:14] cp debian/control-breezy debian/control [04:14] fi [04:14] I dont see a missing closing quote [04:15] I don't see any backslashes for command continuation across lines either [04:16] this is make - commands are single-line-only unless you put a backslash at the end to tell it otherwise [04:17] I'm editing the wrong bit thats why [04:17] grr [04:17] /bin/sh: line 0: [: missing `] ' [04:17] still gives me that though [04:18] if [ foo ] ; then \ [04:18] bar [04:18] Err.. A \ on that bar too. :) [04:18] if [ `lsb_release -c -s` = "breezy"] ; then \ [04:18] cp debian/control debian/control-breezy; \ [04:18] cp debian/control-dapper debian/control; \ [04:18] fi [04:18] is what I have [04:18] it works now [04:18] but is still giving me a "/bin/sh: line 0: [: missing `] '" [04:18] put a space in [04:19] whitespace is important [04:19] if [ `lsb_release -c -s` = "breezy"] ; then \ should be [04:19] if [ `lsb_release -c -s` = "breezy" ] ; then \ [04:21] win 16 [04:21] lose 17 [04:21] Oh well. [04:21] night people. === Surak [n=Surak@201009099253.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _nomeata [i=jojo@tor/session/x-6d2e2ed794382c99] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _nomeata is now known as nomeata === Gman is now known as GmanPUB === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] interested in a dist-upgrade that cause trouble booting? [05:00] just happened for the second time on the same PC [05:00] *sigh* [05:01] hub: Might be interested in bug reports, if you know what package is angering you. === zenbum [n=zenbum@c-69-181-178-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] infinity: it hangs on "Loading hardware drivers..." [05:01] at least it did just before [05:02] seems to go trhu this time [05:02] but really slowly [05:02] great, a security bug in gpg [05:02] infinity: what package would it be? [05:02] Amaranth: another one? [05:03] minghua: this one is on slashdot, it might be the one you're thinking of [05:03] basically signing something proves nothing, which is loads of fun [05:04] Amaranth: oh no, this is a new one, and sounds more serious [05:04] http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2006q1/000216.html [05:04] just published today [05:04] so it's new [05:04] the one I was thinking of is not a security bug per se [05:06] and metioned at the beginning of the mail Amaranth links to [05:07] holy shit, the diff between 1.4.2.1 and 1.4.2.2 is 101k [05:07] uh oh [05:07] that's going to be hell to backport to breezy and hoary versions [05:08] pitti is going to be very angry tomorrow :P [05:08] Amaranth: why not just backporting the complete package in that case? [05:08] that's probably what'll have to happen [05:09] if it took a 101k patch to fix the very latest release... [05:12] hub: You could start with udev (which Keybuk loves getting bugs on) and work with him to debug from there if it's a kernel bug, or udev hanging. [05:13] infinity: that machine has booted this time [05:13] infinity: after kicking it with the power switch [05:13] infinity: reminds me the office :-/ [05:13] hub: Kay, well, please don't file it unless you can reproduce it, or it'll be impossible to find. :) [05:14] infinity: yeah [05:14] infinity: that's why I came here first === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] sort of === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenbum [n=zenbum@c-69-181-178-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] morning [05:24] morning fabbione [05:26] hey === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jlje [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-170.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fabbione] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Flight CD 4 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | UI sprint in #dapper-look | Flight5 in preparation - all uploads must be authorized by infinity/mithandir === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fabbione] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Flight CD 4 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | UI sprint in #dapper-look | Flight5 in preparation - all uploads must be authorized by infinity/mithrandir [06:36] for people that do NOT read the topic: [06:36] Flight5 in preparation - all uploads must be authorized by infinity/mithrandir <- [06:36] we want an installable archive, hmmmml? [06:36] s/ml/mk/ === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] fabbione: all uploads to main, or really all? [06:38] jeeze, will the kernel source troll never end? [06:38] ajmitch_: just main should be fine, unless you have something lying about which is in universe but makes main uninstallable. [06:39] (Which would be a neat trick) === infinity runs off and will be back shortly. [06:40] ajmitch_: we do use a few things in universe for building the CDs, like squashfs-tools, so I'll be very unhappy if you manage to break that in such a way that the cd building fails, for instance. :-) [06:41] unsure if we use the dapper or breezy version, though [06:42] Mithrandir: I'm not likely to do uploads for a couple of days anyway, though breaking a cd build is the best way to get lots of people angry at me :) [06:42] LaserJock: what kernel source troll? [06:42] LaserJock: the one about .12 source code? [06:43] fabbione: yeah, the second time [06:43] just ignore him [06:44] sure, I can ignore him, but sometimes I like to vent a little frustration on that type of behaviour. I wonder what he is thinking or what his motivation is. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock shuts up [06:45] LaserJock: instaed of trying to give him apt-get source commands [06:45] hopefully it's just ignorance? [06:45] just give him the URL to the source [06:45] his sources.list might be pointing to something royally wrong [06:45] end of the story :) [06:46] I suppose, I just like being passive-agressive I guess. ;-) === ajmitch_ would rather just be aggressive at times :) [06:48] I'm not very good at being aggresive, that is why it is good to have ajmitch_ around [06:48] haha === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] I was rather calm & polite dealing with someone on the forums yesterday - my sole purpose there is to tell them to file proper bugs in malone [06:49] I though you did a great job of showing restraint. I think I would have been harsher [06:49] anyway, back to NZ & active ubuntu hacking tomorrow === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] Good morning [07:24] morning pitti [07:25] hey ajmitch_, how are you donig? [07:25] doing, even [07:27] night all [07:27] good, how are you? [07:27] ajmitch_: pretty tired, but ok :) [07:27] yeah :) [07:27] have you been at the UI sprint? [07:27] I love that little exchange "Morning..." "Good night" :P [07:28] ajmitch_: no, I am at home [07:28] ajmitch_: you shouldn't let me near UI design :-P [07:28] heh === ajmitch_ is the same === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] I'm finally going to get back to ubuntu hacking next week, flying back to NZ tomorrow :) [07:28] pitti: hey ,will you be at the i18n sprint next week ? === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:29] ajmitch_: oh, where are you now? [07:29] freeflying-ibook: hey [07:29] freeflying-ibook: no, nobody told me about it :/ [07:29] pitti: brisbane, australia === ajmitch_ imagines there'll still be enough bugs left for me to fix next week [07:36] ajmitch_: quick, before we kill 'em all :) [07:36] I'd better hurry.. === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] Hey zyga, how are you? [07:39] pitti: hey, fine [07:39] I'm slowly getting to work today, how about you? :) [07:40] same for me, trying to get fully awake [07:40] I've just upgraded and noticed the brand new theme [07:40] what do you think about it? === auxesis [n=lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyral_ [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] zyga: I didn't see it yet, I have to create a fresh test user for it [08:18] pitti: there are some problems with it [08:19] vuntz has a nice screenshot [08:19] same thing has happened to me [08:19] nice screenshot is http://tmp.vuntz.net/Screenshot-Ubuntu%20Servers:%20%23ubuntu-desktop-1.png [08:20] whoa - orange [08:21] I like the new progress bars [08:21] concur with "whoa - orange" :-) === zyga wonders how to test the progress bar [08:22] oh segmented! [08:22] vuntz: I don't get anything like the grey gradient on your menus === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-154-109.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] whoa, weird scrollbar grips [08:23] Kamion: it happened to me twice, unable to reproduce again [08:23] mm, the scrollbar ends are a little bit odd [08:23] heh [08:23] vuntz: switch to a totally different engine, then back to ubuntulooks [08:24] we should rename dapper dake to ubuntu revolution [08:24] vuntz: you on x86? [08:24] I can see how they're useful, but they do have a very distracting effect by drawing your eyes a long way away from the mouse pointer [08:24] jdub: I did it :-) doing it again [08:24] jdub: yes [08:24] vuntz: that's a pity, i was hoping i could blame some second-tier architecture completely by guesswork [08:24] mmhhh... nice nuclearish green :-) === vuntz goes back to clearlooks [08:25] hehe [08:26] firefox consumes 100% cpu after few theme changes === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] jdub: yeah I get the lovely green/black effects also, it's quite colourful === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] jdub: The new theme ate my leftover pizza and raped my girlfriend. [08:27] the red/orange gradient effect hurts my eyes [08:28] the new theme made my mother yell at me over the phone === ajmitch_ imagines it will get some tweaking === pitti just tried the new theme, but after two minutes it hurts my eyes === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] haha === zyga LOVES the sound juicer icon [08:34] the best icon I've seen in quite some time === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] Kamion: A) Why are you alive, B) Are you down with the inner workings of the publisher? [08:37] Kamion: Err s/alive/alive already/ [08:39] i think Kamion is on the way to London for the UI sprint [08:39] Oh, well he was here 15 mins ago. :) === carlos [n=carlos@84.76.255.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] bye guys, have to get to work === mdke_ is now known as mdke === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-23-61.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [n=martin@p54B3BEC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@216.Red-81-33-48.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] salut sabdfl === Kinnison hugs burgey === Burgundavia hugs Kinnison [09:40] Kinnison: I will blog tomorrow, but I have very cool news about Ubuntu and Edubuntu being used for a large local project here [09:40] burg: cool [09:41] hey all, Burgundavia [09:44] hi sabdfl [09:44] hey hey === infinity builds new livefs images all over the place. [09:48] sabdfl: we need a press release heralding the fact that dapper can now run on Intel Macs [09:49] Burgundavia: can run, but i'm not sure that dapper will detect and install correctly without nudging [09:49] I think we should release it just after Flight 5, assuming it works [09:49] Install CDs building. [09:49] Burgundavia: would that be the i386 version? [09:49] fabbione: Including one for you, out of the kindness of little's heart. [09:49] highvoltage: I assume so [09:49] infinity: cool [09:49] Burgundavia: if the release support intel mac's then HELL YES [09:49] thanks dude [09:50] infinity: do you know of flight 5 will work ootb on Mactel? [09:50] Burgundavia: Not sure, you'd have to ask mjg59, but I think we may still be a few patches short. [09:50] Burgundavia: I'm all for people trying, though. :) [09:51] Oh, wait, I think elilo still needs love. [09:51] So you probably won't be able to boot it. :) [09:51] damn [09:51] A minor issue. [09:51] I hear booting is for pansies. [09:51] the reason I say it now is that MS just announced it will not support EFI for Vista [09:52] We noticed. [09:52] We'll "probably" support it ootb for dapper, and definitely for dapper+1. [09:52] and no other distro has said anything [09:52] There's plenty of effort going on to make it happen for dapper, though (if it doesn't destabilise the world in the process) === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] infinity: sabdfl, if elilo is not ready, I won't kill myself and stay up till 3 writing a press release. Beta is not too far away. I think that would be great target as well [09:58] Burgundavia: Oh, no point in a release for RIGHT NOW, but if you want to prepare one on the off chance that we can use it in a week or two, go nuts. :) [09:59] infinity: I will do so over the weekend === seb128 [n=seb@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir points seb128 to the topic, preemptively. === infinity laughs. [09:59] seb128: hey [10:00] anyway, night all [10:00] Mithrandir: I'm going to do some artwork upload today probably [10:00] pitti: hi [10:00] seb128: Not right now, you're not. :) [10:00] seb128: after flight-5, please. [10:00] unless it's OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING-critical [10:00] Mithrandir: after UI sprint when I'm home you mean? :) === dholbach [n=daniel@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] seb128: sure. Flight-5 is today unless the world falls down over our heads. [10:01] dholbach: *hug* === Mithrandir points dholbach too to the topic. [10:01] (also preemptively) [10:01] Poor ia64, still uninstallable... I guess I get to fix that on Monday. [10:03] Mithrandir: joke aside, when is flight 5? Because that's likely we will have to do some uploads for UI sprint today [10:03] seb128: we're working on it right now. [10:04] k [10:04] seb128: Can you queue the uploads? [10:04] seb128: today. install images are built, live images are building. [10:04] Mithrandir: fine with me === dholbach hugs pitti [10:04] hi everybody [10:04] infinity: if Mark is happy with it sure [10:04] Mithrandir: You're assuming those are the only images we're building. :) [10:04] s/we're/you're/ to be perfectly clear, since I'm not here all night. ;) [10:04] do you guys have the new ubuntu-artwork and ubuntulooks theme on those images you are doing? [10:05] seb128: Yep. [10:05] rock [10:05] seb128: For better or worse. [10:05] seb128, dholbach: would it be possible to make the new theme just a little less eye-hurting? (i. e. less orange) [10:05] pitti: no [10:05] :( [10:05] pitti: it's perfect as it is - we will reject every bug :) [10:05] pitti: come here to London express yourself :) [10:06] pitti: it's much less flashy it was 2 days ago [10:06] OMG, I'm glad that I didn't see that one then [10:06] pitti: what part is an issue for you? wm bar color? Selection color? [10:06] seb128: the design and everything is cool, it's just the bright orange that hurts [10:07] seb128: window bar etc. [10:07] infinity: uh, yes? For each project, naturally. [10:07] pitti: The Dutch will love it ;) [10:07] Mithrandir: Confident there won't be any showstoppers? === infinity gets out and pushes rsync a bit harder. [10:08] infinity: oh, we might to build them a few more times, true. [10:08] I wonder if this process is geting slower, or I'm getting older and more impatient. [10:08] infinity: you just need more bandwidth [10:09] oh, good. Edubuntu live images no longer oversized. [10:09] pitti: can you make a screenshot? [10:09] pitti: in case I've a local theme different atm [10:09] Hrm, cute. [10:09] pitti: because the window bars are midway between brown and orange here [10:09] Aren't ports CDs meant to publish to a different directory? [10:10] Maybe I confused the poor thing by asking it to build "amd64 i386 powerpc sparc" [10:10] infinity: yes they are published in ports/ [10:11] fabbione: Well, not today, apparently. :) [10:11]