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Burgwork | mdke_, ping | 02:26 |
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Burgwork | mdke_, unping | 02:26 |
LaserJock | hmm, I didn't know you could unping | 02:28 |
crimsun | sure, you'd just RST | 02:30 |
crimsun | granted, it's not like echo "un"request or anything | 02:31 |
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robotgeek | mdke_: ping | 03:11 |
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Madpilot | hi all | 07:44 |
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robitaille | Hi manicka | 07:46 |
robitaille | Hi Madpilot | 07:46 |
manicka | hi :) | 07:47 |
robotgeek | hey all | 07:48 |
Madpilot | The Freeze is Nigh Upon Us! Flee, for we are all doomed! </raving lunatic> | 07:49 |
Madpilot | ;) | 07:49 |
Madpilot | robotgeek, did you add that wireless section to UDG, or should I? (sort of lost track of commits today...) | 07:51 |
robotgeek | Madpilot: yes, i did commit it | 07:52 |
robotgeek | Madpilot: i was not sure if you wanted it there, so i did not commit intially | 07:52 |
Madpilot | ah, there it is. Looks good. | 07:52 |
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robotgeek | otherwise i would have to copy back from you | 07:53 |
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mdke_ | robotgeek, pong | 08:37 |
mdke_ | Burgwork, unpong | 08:37 |
robotgeek | hey mdke_ | 08:37 |
mdke_ | hiya | 08:37 |
robotgeek | mdke_: now i don't remeber, and i don't have a log | 08:38 |
mdke_ | heh | 08:38 |
mdke_ | you just came in, said ping, and left | 08:38 |
robotgeek | heh, i'll ping again later | 08:38 |
robotgeek | i'm trying to recover all my mail, i screw my machine up | 08:39 |
mdke_ | word up | 08:39 |
Madpilot | hi mdke_ - I just fixed the menu stuff that I messed up last night | 08:39 |
mdke_ | oh cool, I forgot about that | 08:39 |
mdke_ | bhuvan, hey dude | 08:40 |
bhuvan | hello mdke_ | 08:40 |
mdke_ | Madpilot, the gparted menu entry is now "Gnome Partition Editor" fyi | 08:40 |
Madpilot | mdke_, that leads into my next point: | 08:41 |
mdke_ | bhuvan, what do you think about removing the gnome-app-install section of the server guide? | 08:41 |
Madpilot | one thing we **must** do before freeze - get some Dapper users to sanity-check the menu entries in UDG... | 08:41 |
bhuvan | both me and brian were in dilemma. we are certain it can be removed | 08:41 |
mdke_ | yes indeed | 08:41 |
mdke_ | bhuvan, i agree it should be removed | 08:42 |
bhuvan | mdke_, ok. i'll take care | 08:42 |
mdke_ | it's gnome-specific | 08:42 |
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mdke_ | buon appetito | 08:43 |
mdke | Madpilot, I've got a dapper install | 08:43 |
Madpilot | mdke, I'm still running Breezy; I'll have a go w/ a Flight4 livecd this weekend, though | 08:43 |
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Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 08:44 |
mdke | Madpilot, the menu entries might change late-ish, like gparted did yesterday | 08:45 |
Madpilot | mdke, how late is 'late-ish', and what does that mean WRT our string freeze? | 08:45 |
Burgundavia | salut Madpilot | 08:46 |
mdke | Madpilot, next thursday is string freeze so they can't change after that | 08:47 |
mdke | we have a week after that | 08:47 |
Madpilot | OK, I'll leave the menu entries for now, and we can blitz them next week | 08:47 |
mdke | yeah | 08:48 |
mdke | we need to take a look at About Ubuntu :/ | 08:52 |
Madpilot | it's still going to be just a web page for Dapper, right? | 08:52 |
mdke | an xml file | 08:53 |
mdke | I think we can just transpose the changes we've made to the about ubuntu section of the desktop guide and move it across | 08:53 |
Madpilot | Just had a look at Breezy's About Ubuntu... Bug Number One: It doesn't say which version of Ubuntu I'm running | 08:54 |
mdke | absolutely | 08:55 |
mdke | although that's fixed now | 08:55 |
Madpilot | yeah, just comparing what's in SVN | 08:56 |
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robotgeek | now to figure out how to make gmail will keep the from address as venkatvc@ubuntu.com | 09:11 |
mdke | robotgeek, use an email client! | 09:12 |
robotgeek | mdke: how do i setup the smtp? | 09:12 |
mdke | you use your isp's smtp? | 09:13 |
mdke | or your own, if you have one | 09:13 |
robotgeek | i use gmail's smtp | 09:13 |
mdke | ok | 09:14 |
mdke | I'm sure that works in a mail client, right? | 09:14 |
robotgeek | yeah, i was seeing if i could make gmail rewrite the from header when i send it from kmail | 09:16 |
robotgeek | that seems possible only in the webinterface | 09:17 |
mdke | get kmail to write the from header | 09:17 |
bhuvan | robotgeek, you can set it in gmail too | 09:17 |
robotgeek | bhuvan: i did set it up in gmail, venkatvc at ubuntu.com is the default | 09:18 |
bhuvan | robotgeek, ok. so, whats your problem ? | 09:18 |
robotgeek | bhuvan: i am actually sending from venkatraghavan at gmail.com using gmail's smtp, i want to find out if there is a method by which i can use gmail's smtp to make it look as it it is from venkatvc at ubuntu.com | 09:19 |
robotgeek | it may not be worth spending too much time on :) | 09:19 |
Madpilot | mdke, suggestion for About Ubuntu - move the "Components" section up so it's second, then Get Help and finally Participate | 09:20 |
robotgeek | anyways, back to work on kdg | 09:20 |
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bhuvan | robotgeek, gmail->Settings->Accounts doesn't help ? | 09:20 |
robotgeek | bhuvan: not if you are not using the gmail interface | 09:21 |
bhuvan | ok | 09:21 |
robotgeek | bhuvan: plus it does put in gmail as the sender, so there's no point :) | 09:22 |
bhuvan | robotgeek: frankly, i dont understand your problem :) | 09:22 |
robotgeek | bhuvan: heh | 09:23 |
robotgeek | nvm, it's a waste of time, really | 09:23 |
bhuvan | robotgeek: all emails i sent as 'bhuvan@ubuntu.com' are sent from gmail web interface | 09:23 |
bhuvan | robotgeek: fine, no problem. leave it | 09:23 |
robotgeek | bhuvan: exactly, the same thing doesn't happen if i use kmail, even if @ubuntu.com address is default | 09:23 |
robotgeek | language help needed: Each release will be supported for 18 months after it's | 09:34 |
robotgeek | release date." | 09:34 |
robotgeek | vs Each release is supported for at least 18 months. | 09:35 |
robotgeek | Kamping_Kaiser: ^^ | 09:35 |
Madpilot | "is supported" is simpler & has less verbiage | 09:35 |
Kamping_Kaiser | agreed | 09:36 |
robotgeek | i'm going over some suggestions from the kubuntuforums | 09:36 |
Madpilot | I always vote (and try to edit) in the direction of less verbiage :P | 09:36 |
robotgeek | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3946.msg15149#msg15149 | 09:36 |
robotgeek | Madpilot: some suggestions there could go into UDG too | 09:38 |
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Madpilot | robotgeek, thanks, I'll look into that tomorrow | 09:54 |
robotgeek | Madpilot: cool, very minor for you. a one liner | 09:54 |
Burgundavia | night all | 10:00 |
robotgeek | night bhuvan | 10:00 |
robotgeek | Burgundavia: err | 10:00 |
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robotgeek | mdke: ping | 10:57 |
robotgeek | i saw your planet.ubuntu.com post, and comments are welcome as bugs? | 10:58 |
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mdke | robotgeek_zzz, sure, however you prefer | 11:42 |
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jsgotangco | hey guys | 04:58 |
Kamping_Kaiser | hi | 04:58 |
jjesse | morning jsgotangco | 05:05 |
jsgotangco | hey! | 05:05 |
trappist | sometimes we have American spellings and sometimes British. Should I change behaviour to behavior, or vice versa? | 06:17 |
trappist | (just an example) | 06:18 |
Burgwork | we should international, IMHO | 06:18 |
Burgwork | so use behaviour, not behavior | 06:18 |
trappist | aight | 06:18 |
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Burgwork | you might want to raise it on the list first | 06:19 |
trappist | good call | 06:19 |
trappist | done | 06:21 |
trappist | I'll leave it alone until there's some kind of consensus | 06:21 |
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Burgwork | arghh!!! | 06:58 |
Burgwork | why are we experimenting with theme AFTER UI freeze???? | 06:59 |
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LaserJock | poor Burwork | 07:00 |
LaserJock | that's gotta hurt | 07:00 |
mgalvin | hi all, DapperFlight5 is just about all set (i just need to add an OOo screenshot), if anyone has time to review it and be a grammer nazi that would be great, it will be moved to the main site (www.ubuntu.com) soon so it needs to be ready as flight 5 will be released probably today, thanks in advance | 07:52 |
jjesse | mgalvin: what are you trying to say here on DapperFlight5:The new Ubuntulooks theme engine which is based on the very popular Clearlooks theme engine brings | 07:57 |
jjesse | it doesn't read correctly to me for some reason | 07:58 |
mgalvin | just that the ubuntulook theme is not totally new, its based on cleatlooks | 07:58 |
mgalvin | and that the ubuntu improvements include... | 07:58 |
jjesse | hmm maybe i didn't read it right, but it just seeems wrong for some wierd reason? | 07:59 |
mgalvin | jjesse: there is probably to many ideas in that single sentence | 07:59 |
mgalvin | i will reword it | 08:00 |
mgalvin | jjesse: how does that sound? | 08:05 |
robotgeek | trappist: i'm guilt of writing in both | 08:06 |
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trappist | mgalvin: what exactly needs to be work-nazi'ed? | 08:10 |
mgalvin | trappist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight5 | 08:10 |
trappist | on it | 08:11 |
mgalvin | thanks | 08:11 |
mgalvin | i just added the screenshot numbers so you know | 08:15 |
mdke_ | Burgwork, because the theme itself was added after ui freeze :( | 08:16 |
Burgwork | mdke_, indeed. I am not happy | 08:16 |
mdke_ | well that's Ubuntu | 08:16 |
mdke_ | it happens every cycle | 08:16 |
Burgwork | this is exactly what I spoke about at UBZ | 08:16 |
Burgwork | looks like I will be rasing it in Germany | 08:16 |
mdke_ | yes | 08:16 |
Burgwork | again... | 08:16 |
mdke_ | not to mention that the new theme sucks balls | 08:16 |
robotgeek | hmm, mdke maybe start using kde. come over to the blue side? | 08:17 |
Burgwork | I feel like sending an email to -devel "How not to shit on your documentation team" | 08:17 |
LaserJock | Burgwork: the next developer meeting is in Germany? | 08:17 |
Burgwork | but that probably wouldn't be useful | 08:17 |
Burgwork | LaserJock, yep | 08:17 |
mdke | Burgwork, it's not so much shitting on us, because it doesn't really affect our work | 08:18 |
mdke | it's just very bad practice to introduce massive changes at the end of the cycle | 08:18 |
mdke | when this means that the changes get no community feedback | 08:18 |
mdke | and are difficult to fix | 08:18 |
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mgalvin | hmm, the themes are very easy to switch between, and i think the idea of pushing flight 5 out today is to get that feedback (1 day after the theme was added) | 08:20 |
LaserJock | yeah, but I think the feedback is already pretty negative, I don't think it will take Flight 5 to figure out it sucks ;-) | 08:22 |
mdke | mgalvin, ui freeze was nearly 48 hours ago. it's not easy to get feedback | 08:22 |
mdke | given that nothing can now be changed | 08:22 |
Kyral | Whats the new theme? | 08:22 |
mdke | 4 months ago would have worked | 08:22 |
LaserJock | well, they will probably change it in the next few days, I would guess | 08:23 |
mdke | I can only hope so, the theme is too broken to respect the ui freeze | 08:23 |
mgalvin | Kyral: see it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight5 | 08:23 |
trappist | mgalvin: DapperFlight5 is all fixed up | 08:24 |
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trappist | I plan to do that | 08:25 |
mgalvin | trappist: thanks! | 08:25 |
Kyral | Somethin' is screwy with my GTK apps | 08:26 |
Kyral | or rather GNOME | 08:26 |
LaserJock | I thought you went to the dark side :) | 08:26 |
Kyral | Why would I use Windows? | 08:26 |
LaserJock | no, KDE | 08:26 |
Kyral | .. | 08:26 |
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LaserJock | lol | 08:27 |
mgalvin | mdke: true, of course the earlier the better | 08:27 |
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LaserJock | mgalvin: actually your screenshots look better than my yelp | 08:28 |
jjesse | mgalvin: looks fine now | 08:31 |
mgalvin | jjesse: thanks | 08:33 |
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trappist | bleh. kontact issues holding up my british/american spelling patch. | 08:44 |
robotgeek | mdke: ping. i now remember why i pinged you yesterday | 08:48 |
robotgeek | mdke: basically, the padding left=0 mkaes it very close to the screen edge | 08:50 |
robotgeek | trappist: ^^ | 08:50 |
robotgeek | of course, this is better than unclickable links :) | 08:51 |
mdke | robotgeek, he fixed that, iirc | 08:54 |
trappist | yeah I said padding-left=1em; | 08:54 |
robotgeek | mdke: the unclicable links, yes. but now it is too close to the screen edge? | 08:54 |
trappist | where it originally said padding=1em; which was breaking clickability | 08:54 |
robotgeek | http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/ch02.html for example | 08:55 |
mdke | hmm | 08:56 |
robotgeek | is it a problem on my screen, or is "Linux Basics" at the bottom too close to the screen | 08:56 |
mdke | oh yeah | 08:56 |
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robotgeek | just to let you know that i remembered why i pinged you yesterday | 08:57 |
mdke | cool, thanks | 08:57 |
trappist | that Linux Basics is position: absolute; left: 0px; | 08:59 |
robotgeek | trappist: css guru :) | 08:59 |
trappist | it looks pretty deliberate | 09:00 |
trappist | kmail has decided I don't get to send emails. /me resorts to mutt to send this patch. | 09:00 |
robotgeek | trappist: better thank deleteing your .kde | 09:01 |
trappist | that would suck. | 09:01 |
robotgeek | trappist: i redownloaded all my mail, and setup new filters yesterday | 09:01 |
robotgeek | i need to move to mutt+procmail+fetchmail solution, but i like kmail too much | 09:02 |
trappist | I was a kmail guy back in the day, then went to mutt for a coupla years, but I came back | 09:03 |
trappist | sent the patch, anyway | 09:03 |
trappist | I like mutt a lot, but it was really just part of a misguided goal to go console for practically everything | 09:04 |
trappist | to prove I was a real man or something | 09:04 |
mdke | thanks for the patch trappist | 09:04 |
mdke | ignore the xfce docs from now on though :) | 09:04 |
trappist | can do | 09:04 |
mdke | and don't change pot files | 09:05 |
Burgwork | is xubuntu doing docs elsewhere? | 09:05 |
mdke | Burgwork, not that I know of | 09:05 |
mdke | trappist, and, a patch per document if possible too, so each contact person can check & apply | 09:06 |
trappist | at first I just said for file in $(find . -type f ! -whole-name '*/.svn/*'); do perl -pi -e 's/([Bb] )ehaviour/$1ehavior/g' "$file"; done but the results of that sucked. | 09:07 |
trappist | mdke: can do that too | 09:07 |
mdke | trappist, thanks. Would you remail the patch with those things in mind? I'm just mailing the list now | 09:07 |
trappist | sigh. ok, back to mutt :) | 09:08 |
mdke | sorry | 09:08 |
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Burgwork | mdke, sweet, pdf! | 09:13 |
Burgwork | we should be able to munge a good release notes out of the excellent Flight stuff mgalvin has beendoing | 09:14 |
trappist | ok I think I sent it again | 09:17 |
trappist | cool. I seem to have somehow fixed kmail. | 09:22 |
mdke | Burgwork, the pdfs are pretty rubbish at the moment sadly | 09:26 |
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mdke | they aren't styled at all | 09:26 |
sdquinn | hi all again | 09:26 |
sdquinn | meeting in 30min correct? | 09:26 |
mdke | holy crap | 09:27 |
mdke | did you see mark's email? | 09:27 |
sdquinn | saw a bit of it | 09:27 |
sdquinn | on [ubuntu-art] ? | 09:27 |
mdke | thank god | 09:27 |
Burgwork | indeed | 09:27 |
Burgwork | great | 09:28 |
mdke | trappist, thanks for re-diffing | 09:28 |
trappist | np | 09:29 |
trappist | who is this mark shuttleworth bozo talking about delaying dapper? | 09:29 |
jjesse | the guy in charge of ubuntu | 09:29 |
sdquinn | aaaaah | 09:29 |
sdquinn | "I'm writing to propose a six week delay in the release date of Dapper," | 09:29 |
trappist | I know, kidding ;) | 09:29 |
sdquinn | i missed that part. :( | 09:29 |
trappist | I have mixed feelings about that | 09:30 |
mdke | that would be a good thing. I think we would have the same string freeze for docs though, myself | 09:30 |
trappist | I lean toward delaying it, but I don't think my vote counts yet | 09:30 |
trappist | there's something to be said for the "when it's done" release cycle philosophy, but I don't like the way it works in debian. | 09:31 |
mdke | well there is a good argument that dapper is special in the context of the ubuntu cycles | 09:31 |
trappist | yeah | 09:32 |
mdke | may 6 weeks is a little much | 09:32 |
jjesse | i wonder how they picked 6 weeks? | 09:32 |
jjesse | why not just a month | 09:32 |
trappist | from browsing lists and hanging out on the various channels I get the feeling we've got a really good pace going and that with a little more time we could put out a significantly better release | 09:33 |
LaserJock | so what would that mean for the docs? | 10:11 |
mdke | we'll have to wait an see | 10:12 |
mdke | I would say, string freeze stays the same, more time for translation | 10:12 |
LaserJock | hmm | 10:12 |
mdke | or moves slightly | 10:12 |
mdke | there is a lot of stuff to get translated this time, and the docs are pretty much nearly ready | 10:12 |
LaserJock | except the Packaging Guide | 10:13 |
mdke | haha | 10:13 |
mdke | is it in bad shape? | 10:13 |
LaserJock | I'm getting pretty concerned | 10:13 |
mdke | how come? | 10:13 |
LaserJock | well, one of the problems is I need patches and review from the developer community but they are working hard on developing | 10:13 |
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LaserJock | I'm not sure what it is going to look like by string freeze | 10:15 |
mdke | well don't worry | 10:15 |
mdke | perfection is impossible | 10:15 |
LaserJock | yeah, but sorta complete would be nice | 10:15 |
mdke | do what you can, no worries. Shall we call on the devs in a more formal way? | 10:16 |
LaserJock | It also looks like the Ubuntu Developer's Reference that Diziet was going to do is deferred | 10:16 |
LaserJock | mdke: not yet, I think most of the devs that would have an interest know, but I can push a little harder | 10:16 |
LaserJock | some of it is me just setting aside a block of time to work on it | 10:17 |
mdke | sure | 10:17 |
LaserJock | my research advisor is pushing me a bit at the moment | 10:17 |
trappist | I'll do what I can with the packaging guide, but having never made a .deb it'll probably be all word nazi stuff. | 10:17 |
LaserJock | anyway, it is pretty much my top priority right now so I hope to get some major work done soon | 10:18 |
mdke | yay, don't let it stress ya though | 10:18 |
LaserJock | trappist: well, I'll call on your expertise after we have stuff pretty set | 10:18 |
trappist | LaserJock: probably a good idea | 10:19 |
trappist | anything anybody can tell me about what needs the iron grammar fist will be helpful | 10:19 |
LaserJock | trappist: I wouldn't want to waste your time on something that I'm just going to screw up ;-) | 10:19 |
trappist | right :) | 10:19 |
LaserJock | mdke: well I need the stress to get motivated. Unfortunately, university has taught me some bad habits. | 10:21 |
mdke | ok, stress out! | 10:21 |
LaserJock | mdke: but I have been totally committed to this doc and I hate to have it not be in Dapper | 10:21 |
trappist | LaserJock: maybe we'll all luck out and get another six weeks | 10:23 |
mdke | you can do it :) | 10:23 |
LaserJock | mdke: will the packaging guide be translated? how would that work? | 10:23 |
mdke | LaserJock, if it's done in time, sure. It will get translated in rosetta | 10:24 |
LaserJock | I don't know anything about translations so sorry for the stupid questions. Where will the translations go? Are they a part of the ubuntu-docs package? | 10:25 |
mdke | yes | 10:26 |
mdke | questions are fine :) | 10:26 |
Burgwork | I think translations become part of the language packs | 10:28 |
LaserJock | so the translations for all the packages for a given language that is translated are put in the lang pack. Those must be huge. | 10:29 |
mdke | Burgwork, no, they are in ubuntu-docs | 10:30 |
Burgwork | oh | 10:30 |
mdke | Burgwork, http://doc.ubuntu.com/test | 10:42 |
mdke | we need to sort out proper styling for the admonitions, most importantly of all | 10:42 |
mdke | I might try and steal some of brent's stuff for GNOME | 10:42 |
mdke | then add some brown or something | 10:43 |
mdke | -> bed | 10:43 |
Burgwork | mdke, not bad, at least they work | 10:43 |
mdke | yeah | 10:43 |
robotgeek | night mdke | 10:44 |
mdke | night | 10:44 |
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LaserJock | good night mdke | 10:46 |
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