[02:15] <infinity> ~30 mins until LRM is uploaded.
[02:15] <infinity> BenC: Are we going to see updates to all the ipw drivers?  (mjg59 has pinged me about the craziness we have to go through to get ipw3945 in)
[02:16] <infinity> BenC: I'm pretty keen on the idea that my ipw2915 may actually stop resetting the firmware every 5 seconds (and occasionally hanging the card, just for fun)
[02:16] <BenC> yeah, I plan to try
[02:17] <BenC> the only showstopper would be any major problems with the ieee80211 update
[02:17] <infinity> But that'll be needed for 3945 anyway, which we apparently "ARE SUPPORTING", however painful that is.
[02:17] <infinity> Or so I've been told. :)
[02:19] <infinity> After unpacking 331MB disk space will be freed.
[02:20] <infinity> But I didn't have a bunch of obsolete kernels installed or anything...
[02:20] <BenC> openoffice removal?
[02:20] <infinity> No, seriously.  That was kernels.
[02:20] <infinity> Only 4 of them.
[02:20] <infinity> -13- -14- -15- and -16- and the matching LRM for each.
[02:25] <mjg59> Yeah, Mark's keen on new Centrinos being supported (even though we have no test hardware)
[02:26] <infinity> TBH, I'm pretty keen on it too.
[02:26] <infinity> I'd LIKE to get some test hardware before release, but I have a feeling my dreams of a new T60 won't be fulfilled until a few weeks AFTER release, sadly.
[02:26] <infinity> Maybe Mark's X60 will come in the mail soon.
[02:26] <mjg59> Haha
[02:37] <infinity> Entertainingly, we'll be 0 for 2 on wireless on new Thinkpads right now.
[02:38] <infinity> Since, if you order with "Intel Wireless", you'll get a 3945, and if you order "IBM Wireless", you'll get a new Atheros that requires madwifi-ng.
[02:55] <BenC> mjg59: Mark ok'd me to expense a PCIE version of the 3945, so I can test it
[02:55] <mjg59> BenC: It's only available in mini-PCIE form-factors, to the best of my knowledge
[02:55] <BenC> mini == the 1" long PCIE slot?
[02:55] <mroth> FWIW, while I'm not doing any dev for you guys currently, I have a X60 with the 3945 thats supposedly arriving next week, so I can run some tests on it.
[02:56] <mjg59> BenC: No, one that looks like an so-dimm socket
[02:57] <BenC> do you know of any product names with the chipset?
[02:58] <infinity> I doubt anyone except Intel makes them.  Intel's not known for allowing 3rd party board manufacturers to make shoddy network cards with their chipsets.
[02:58] <BenC> nm, google found some for me
[02:58] <BenC> yeah, I see that now :)
[02:59] <BenC> http://www.dreamhardware.com/store/product/index.php?product_id=500437
[02:59] <BenC> that looks close to what my short PCIE slot looks like
[02:59] <BenC> nm, I see what you mean now
[02:59] <BenC> it sort of lays into the slot and clicks down
[02:59] <mjg59> Yeah
[03:00] <mjg59> It ends up parallel with the motherboard
[03:00] <BenC> right
[03:03] <BenC> any chance that make an adapter board that fits a normal PCIE slot and can take the mini-PCIE card?
[03:03] <infinity> Ahh, Stimpy, we hardly knew ye.
[03:04] <mjg59> BenC: No idea, I'm afraid
[03:04] <BenC> "I told you I was going to shoot, and you didn't believe me...WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?"
[03:04] <infinity> My T43 might be mini-PCIe, you could just have it sent to me.
[03:04] <infinity> I'd have to crack it open to prove this theory, though.
[03:05] <mjg59> T43 will be mini-PCI
[03:05] <infinity> Yeah, so a quick Google tells me.
[03:05] <infinity> I knew bits of it were PCIe internally, so it was worth a shot.
[03:07] <BenC> crazy...some sells a PCIe serial card with ONE 9pin serial connection
[03:07] <BenC> for 90 fucking dollars
[03:07] <infinity> Yay progress.
[03:08] <BenC> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=915856
[03:08] <BenC> "High speed UART, up to 230Kbps"
[03:08] <infinity> We went from "serial is always onboard", so "if you want a spare port you can get it on an ISA card for 5 bucks", to "make that PCI for 15 bucks", to "a USB dongle for 25 bucks?", and now "PCIe for 90!!"
[03:09] <BenC> super duper
[03:09] <infinity> s/so/to/
[03:09] <mjg59> USB's not good enough for debugging
[03:09] <BenC> like, PCIE is really adding performance to a 230Kbps serial connection
[03:09] <mjg59> Whereas with PCIE, you can decode legacy addresses and just have stuff outbing
[03:10] <infinity> Sure, but is that 90 dollars worth of debugging potential? :)
[03:10] <mjg59> If you've got no other way of debugging the damn thing, probably
[03:10] <infinity> I think the answer here is to pick up an old macihne that still has an ISA bus. :)
[03:10] <BenC> or by a PCIe mobo with built-in serial
[03:10] <mjg59> And when you're debugging your new PCIE laptop? :)
[03:11] <BenC> mjg59: your laptop has a PCIe slot like a desktop? :)
[03:11] <infinity> BenC: If it has built-in serial, it probably has an ISA bus. :)
[03:11] <mjg59> "Microsoft revealed today that it will not support EFI booting for Windows Vista on its launch. The news will be a shock for owners of Intel Macs who had hoped they would be able to dual-boot between Windows Vista and OS X."
[03:11] <mjg59> BenC: Oh, real PCIE?
[03:11] <mjg59> Fuck that, then
[03:11] <infinity> I'm pretty sure my girlfriend's machine still hangs the PS/2 ports, parallel and serial all off a legacy ISA bus stapled to the rest of the system.
[03:12] <mjg59> Well, they'll all be in a superio chip that's probably integrated into the southbridge
[03:14] <infinity> (Which consists of an ISA bus, a PCI bridge, and some other goodies, on one chip)
[03:21] <BenC> well, I can find mini-PCI-to-PCI adapters, but not PCIE
[03:21] <infinity> So, what you need now is a mini-PCIe to mini-PCI bridge, and you're set!
[03:21] <BenC> hehe
[03:22] <infinity> (Or, find someone who actually has one of these laptops already)
[03:22] <infinity> I see them on eBay with next day shipping, oddly enough.
[02:21] <tseng> is there a reason there is a linux-image-amd64-server and not linux-image-amd64-xeon-server?
[02:27] <BenC> tseng: yeah, because the higher end supports both configurations
[02:28] <tseng> BenC: so which kernel would I ideally be using on a bunch of 2 way HT Xeons with emt64?
[02:28] <tseng> adm64-server?
[02:29] <BenC> for desktop, xeon, for server, just -server
[02:29] <tseng> great, i noticed -xeon had preempt and other desktop weirdness
[02:29] <tseng> thanks.
[02:29] <BenC> np
[02:32] <crimsun> BenC: I can attempt to set up a server, but I don't have access to rookery/people (I don't think so, at least?)
[02:33] <crimsun> (lacking a server is pretty much the sole reason I've had to use git-format-patch)
[02:35] <crimsun> BenC: two of those messages are awaiting moderation, the huge one for patch_realtek.c and a smaller one for patch_analog.c
[02:37] <BenC> ok
[02:37] <BenC> crimsun: you are an @ubuntu.com right?
[02:37] <BenC> aka a Canonical emplyee? :)
[02:37] <crimsun> BenC: because of MOTU, yes
[02:37] <crimsun> no, not an Canonical employee
[02:37] <BenC> ah, ok
[02:38] <BenC> bad assumption on my part then
[02:41] <infinity> Tsk.
[02:41] <infinity> BenC: Know thy coworkers.
[02:41] <infinity> BenC: For instance, I got fired 5 months ago, but I'm sure you didn't know.
[02:42] <tseng> infinity: he needs to play the distro team game
[02:49] <BenC> lol
[03:47] <zul> heylo
[03:47] <crimsun> heya
[05:21] <netzmeister> hello
[05:21] <netzmeister> where is my "/proc/config.gz" ?
[05:21] <netzmeister> or where can i find my actual kernel config to build a newone..
[05:22] <mjg59> /boot/config-`uname -r`.gz
[05:22] <mjg59> Sorry, no .gz
[05:22] <netzmeister> yes, at this moment i found it.. o_O
[05:22] <netzmeister> thx
[06:39] <dilinger> hm
[06:39] <dilinger> Called the General Parallel File System (GPFS), the technology allows for high-speed access to files across multiple nodes of a Linux or AIX cluster.
[07:46] <torkel> dilinger: it's not free
[10:46] <jbailey> Anyone here played with Xen?  I'm wondering if it's possible to expose that we're in a Xen guest through a HWCAP.
[10:46] <jbailey> I've been thinking that we could, with Dapper+1 provide a Xen-safe glibc that doesn't do the slow TLS accesses.