=== Pappan [n=pappan@59.92.134.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778051.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] where I can report a broken package? === Erlang [i=neumann@toronto-HSE-ppp4000837.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:09] theCore: Malone [12:09] http://launchpad/net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug [12:09] launchpad.net, that is [12:10] thanks, ajmitch_ [12:11] hell, I've got a problem login-in to the REVU page, am I at the right place? === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-106.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] what sort of problem? [12:12] Wrong password. [12:12] did you attempt to recover your password? [12:13] ugh, people who set bugs as major which just aren't [12:13] Yes, and it seem to have worked. Do I need to wait for my first package to appear? On the wiki it is written I need to use the email address mentionned in my changelog. [12:13] ugh, people who file bugs "beagle uses too much memory" [12:13] over and over [12:14] Erlang: yes, you need to wait === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] oh okay. [12:14] Shouldn't be very long then. [12:15] as long as you uploaded a source package :) [12:15] I did, just a few minutes ago (< 5) [12:15] Erlang: what did you upload? [12:16] Code::Blocks [12:16] it uploaded I think [12:16] I got an email [12:16] yeah I see it :D [12:17] ok === ajmitch_ just saw some other rejected uploads [12:17] ajmitch_: aren't we in freeze? [12:17] hub: yes [12:19] ah, login-in there was kind of a bitch but it finally worked. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] Erlang: did you upload the previous codeblock packages? [12:21] No. I didn't know there was a previous codeblocks package. [12:21] yes, there was already one there [12:22] under what package name? [12:22] codeblocks [12:23] I've found it. [12:23] oh great [12:24] so we have 2 people wanting to do the same package again? [12:24] seems like it. [12:24] excellent, force them to cooperate! :D [12:24] cooperate or die? [12:24] that's the spirit! [12:25] netmeizter (sp?) is the packager of the other codeblocks package [12:25] tseng: I think you should do a mass-reject on beagle bugs [12:26] can we get netsmeister's back? Erlang, you should take a look at his package I think. [12:26] at least the guy did not rip-off my package. [12:27] rip off? [12:27] copy or anything. it has been in the wild for a bit [12:28] why would it be a problem if he'd based his packaging on yours? [12:28] it is free software after all [12:28] good point -_- [12:28] LaserJock: over the weekend he was on frequently, I think he said he was German [12:29] bmonty: yeah, I know him pretty well [12:30] good, I'll be quiet now :) [12:30] shouldn't there be a search tool in REVU? [12:30] yeah, it's firefox find-as-you-type :) [12:30] "find" in a browser works too ;-) [12:31] hah, we think alike [12:31] the current REVU was thrown together as a hack, and has served us well [12:31] but it has its flaws & we're redoing it [12:31] hrm, searching "codeblocks" only finds my package. [12:32] yes [12:32] oh damn... yes I see [12:32] but if you look at your upload you'll see a history of previous uploads [12:32] yes yes [12:32] I guess the other guy will hate me :D [12:32] I see you filed the ITP in debian [12:32] yes. [12:33] and you've had these packages around for awhile - did you get any interest from sponsors in debian? [12:35] None. Packaging C::B prior 1.0rc2 was hell since they used a custom build script. So I stopped working on it for a while. [12:35] In short, I did not fight very hard to grasp interest. [12:36] ok [12:36] but you think it's ready to be included in debian now? [12:37] Well, I see my package still has some flaws, but it is much easier to fix problems now that it is autotooled. The software itself is has stable as most young software included in Debian. [12:43] ajmitch_: is kerry being packaged? [12:43] I'll warn netzmeister, and ask him about his plans for Debian. I'll be more than happy to leave this package to somebody else. I don't really use C::B anyway,. [12:43] hub: Kyral was going to do it I believe [12:43] hub: but I don't know where he is with that [12:43] LaserJock: ok. just wondering [12:44] hub: I don't know if he has even started it though, he was going to do it over Spring Break I think [12:45] hub: don't ask me such things :) [12:46] ajmitch_: ah sorry. since you do Mono, I thought... [12:46] even if it is purely Qt. [12:58] ajmitch_: i agree [12:59] ajmitch_: i did one a week ago, and they all came back as dupes [01:00] hi MOTUs o/ [01:01] hi Toadstool [01:03] i'm trying to do my best to find bugs i can handle on launchpad but i often feel like i'm useless :/ [01:03] welcome to the club :D [01:04] :) [01:09] Toadstool: There is plenty of software to package for Ubuntu you know... [01:10] yeah but now that Feature Freeze is past for dapper i prefer packaging for debian and then wait for sync ^^ [01:10] that is good too... [01:12] my wide-dhcpv6 package is in ubuntu NEW since 2006-02-15... [01:13] the latest version was uploaded in sid yesterday :) [01:13] I've been trying to upload an updated erlang to Debian for a while now... I've stumbled on all sorts of problems. === Xoritor [n=xoritor@xorit.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] hi Xoritor [01:14] hello LaserJock [01:14] how are you tonight? === Xoritor kinda has a buzz so please forgive me if i get a bit rowdy ;-) [01:14] oh, alright. Still at work. [01:14] oh ick [01:14] hehe [01:15] well, I get most of my Ubuntu work done at work so... [01:15] heh [01:15] yea me too... work has been kinda slow so... i have been able to work on my stuff for now [01:15] :-D [01:15] made some massive strides lately [01:16] what are you working on? [01:16] the Ubuntu Packaging Guide [01:16] kick butt [01:16] is that acceptable language? [01:16] some people are easily offended in irc [01:16] heh [01:16] I would think so [01:16] never know [01:17] someone working on a real CDBS guide around here ? 'cause i've never been able to find a correct doc about it... [01:17] info cdbs [01:17] im working on a real "buzz guide" right now ;-) [01:17] hehe [01:18] maybe i should hang out in #ubuntu-offtopic ;-) [01:18] hah [01:18] Amaranth: yeah i've read it but it's far from a i'm-a-packaging-newb guide ^^ [01:18] Toadstool: I don't think we will have much time to address CDBS much for the Dapper packaging guide, but hopefully dapper+1 [01:18] Toadstool, im a .deb packaging n00b [01:18] Toadstool: did you see https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml ? === raptoid [n=raptoid@85.99.64.113] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] azeem: ah no [01:20] looks good === ajmitch_ wonders if it's really a good idea for people who a new to packaging to start with cdbs [01:21] i am not [01:22] ajmitch_: yeah you may be right [01:23] im waiting on that till i know whats going on a bit more [01:23] ajmitch_: I agree, but it at least nice to know what it is I think [01:24] on the other hand i've made my first package with cdbs but i've read a great part of /usr/share/cdbs/1 files and dh_* manpages [01:24] ajmitch_: they can start with cdbs and slowly learn the rest as they need it === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] Amaranth: cdbs can often require knowing some arcane make stuff to arbitrarily put in - debhelper is far better documented & has more examples [01:26] yep [01:26] really, cdbs can just hide too much when you're trying to get something working [01:26] it depends on what kind of package you're making [01:27] sure, but making a package with cdbs is still 'paste a few lines in here & hope it works' [01:27] :) [01:28] I'm not saying cdbs is bad, I've made a package in ~5 min & uploaded into ubuntu 10min later & it worked fine :) [01:28] ubuntu bug 10 in gnutls7 "Ports open but not response from dovecot daemon (hppa)" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10 [01:28] thanks Ubugtu [01:28] haha [01:29] Seveas: overzealous regex? [01:29] how am I ever going to exclude that? [01:30] it has to ban Ubuntu [01:30] who knows, I'll let you figure it out ;) [01:30] s/ban/matcg/ [01:30] I won't [01:30] I just let it be this way [01:30] lazy [01:30] why would it pick up "10min" though [01:30] because it'll match ubuntu [01:31] a little more trickery [01:32] maybe you should change Ubugtu behaviour and make him show bugs info only when there's something like !bug xxx, 'cause it may be annoying when speaking about a bug and ubugtu shouts at you :) [01:32] ehrm [01:32] Toadstool: no way, i like it [01:32] the whole REASON for ubugtu to be hear is to shout when you talk about bugs [01:32] wow, i should really go to bed my english is getting worse and worse === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] here* [01:33] Toadstool: you start discussing a bug and Ubugtu lets everyone know the basics [01:33] hum, ok :) [01:33] eg bug 34075 is a little silly [01:33] malone bug 34075 in f-spot "Impossible to launch apps/login on disk full, no feedback" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34075 [01:33] and gives them an easy link to follow [01:34] why is that filed against f-spot? [01:34] lol [01:34] he also respnds to urls like http://launchpad.net/bugs/34075 [01:34] malone bug 34075 in f-spot "Impossible to launch apps/login on disk full, no feedback" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [01:34] and will leave out the url in his response [01:34] gnome bug 200000 [01:34] Amaranth: because he used f-spot to fill up his disk.. [01:34] because it's already there [01:34] hmm [01:34] gnome bug 195357 [01:34] /ignore sometimes Ubugtu [01:34] ;) [01:34] bleh [01:35] Amaranth: ie, it shouldn't be filed against f-spot at all, since he also filed ubuntu 34073 [01:35] Amaranth, nonexisting bugs? [01:35] Seveas: probably [01:35] gnome bug 213745 [01:35] gnome bug 213745 in Mailer "Unmatched vfolder does not update correctly." [Enhancement,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213745 [01:35] Seveas: it hates me, it said 34073 was not found [01:35] malone 34073 [01:35] malone bug 34073 in f-spot "F-Spot crashes with large number of pictures" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34073 [01:35] hm [01:35] does ubuntu # point to bugzilla still? [01:35] mozilla bug 217548 [01:36] ajmitch_, yes [01:36] no love for the fox, eh? [01:36] Amaranth, easy to add [01:36] @bugtracker list [01:36] debian, freedesktop, gnome, gnome2, malone, ubuntu, and ximian [01:36] what would be great with Ubugtu is a little "line" timer which prevents him to flood the chan with the same bug info every two lines, no ? [01:36] ximian? [01:36] @bugtracker add mozilla bugzilla https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ Mozilla [01:36] @bugtracker list [01:37] debian, freedesktop, gnome, gnome2, malone, mozilla, ubuntu, and ximian [01:37] mozilla bug 217548 [01:37] why gnome & gnome2? [01:37] mozilla bug 217548 in Preferences "Junk mail controls - adaptive filters check box" [Major,Resolved: duplicate] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217548 [01:37] @mozilla bug 217548 [01:37] w00tage [01:37] ajmitch_, bugs. and bugzilla. [01:37] Ubugtu > me [01:37] ok.. [01:37] to grab urls correctly === zenk [n=hede@85.99.64.113] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenk [n=hede@85.99.64.113] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:56] gn8 motus [01:57] hmm, slick new sound juicer icon === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] oh, hi minghua . I didn't see you come in. [02:21] hi LaserJock :-) === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] hi Kyral [02:28] hey [02:34] ok so i have a library that has plugins for the diff databases it can use [02:34] ie... mysql, postgresql, sqlite3 [02:35] should i build the library with all 3 or make a package for each? [02:35] i am thinking a package for each [02:35] like snort does [02:35] snort, snort-mysql, snort-pgsql [02:35] seems logical [02:36] so i would have libpreludedb-mysql, libpreludedb-pgsql, and libpreludedb-sqlite3 [02:36] err... maybe just libpreludedb-sqlite [02:37] more "future compatable" [02:39] the other option is to build it against all of them then make a conditional depends so as long as one of them is installed its ok [02:40] is there documentation on what the best practices for packaging a python project are? [02:40] Spec: I would look at the Python Policy for Debian [02:40] Spec: you can find it at www.debian.org/devel/ [02:41] thank you [02:41] np [02:41] also, how do i file a bug on launchpad? [02:41] err, about launchpad* [02:43] https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bugs is what you want, I think [02:43] because Launchpad is a product ;-) [02:44] i think launchpad needs to be more intuitive :p [02:45] most people think so, but it is is still a work in progress [02:46] is being subscribed to universe-bugs a practical solution to get involed with Ubuntu, or would I get flooded by the volume of the list? [02:47] crimsun: rjo updated Ardour today, and he thinks we should put it in too.. he said "Ubuntu might be very interested in ardour 0.99.2 since it fixes the timefx mode which was broken in 0.99*." [02:48] dolson: please request a UVF exception [02:49] crimsun: I'm doing it. I'm going to find the files and try them to be sure there are no changes needed [02:49] I just wanted you to know I was going to file the request [02:50] Erlang: you'd probably get flooded [02:53] okay. [02:54] how do you upload a screenshot to launchpad? [02:56] Spec: as an attachment? [02:56] i see links for people's screenshots of a rendering bug from library.launchpad.net? [02:57] Spec: 'add attachment' on the right [02:57] probably once you've filed the bug :) [02:57] ah [02:57] let me check [02:58] yay :p [02:58] ooooh, debian even has an alpha build of ardour2 [03:00] damn, i think i found a bug in gimp(?) trying to take a screenshot :p === pietrus [n=pietrus@c9259f0a.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] Erlang: I agree with ajmitch_ (I never read all mails from universe-bugs), subscribing the packages you are interested in is probably a better idea. [03:22] Erlang: subscribing in launchpad, so that you receive all bug reports against said packages [03:22] okay. [03:23] I've already subscribed to all Erlang related package. [03:23] minghua: why do scim im engines depend on scim itself? I think that maybe why skim is not working--some kind of conflict [03:23] minghua: btw, I am on dapper now [03:24] jaldhar: because scim modules won't work by themselves without scim? [03:24] jaldhar: I have no idea if scim-pinyin can work with skim without scim [03:24] jaldhar: if yes, the dependency should probably be changed to scim | skim [03:25] jaldhar: but I think we still need a dependency there [03:25] minghua: scim | skim is what I was thinking but I think I will do more research [03:27] jaldhar: I seriously doubt scim's existense will cause skim to misbehave though (with proper configuration), as not every distro has this scim/libscim separation [03:28] jaldhar: so most likely they have /usr/bin/scim co-installed with /usr/bin/skim for their KDE environment [03:29] minghua: the strange thing is if I start scim in a gtk app first, then skim will show im engines [03:56] ok i think this may be beyond me [03:56] heh [03:57] does anyone know of a library that is "split up" into diff "packages" [03:57] ie... like snort is split up into snort, snort-mysql, snort-pgsql [03:57] xoritor: practically all of them. What are you trying to do? [03:58] jaldhar, im trying to compile libpreludedb and want one "package" for libpreludedb-mysql, one for libpreludedb-pgsql, and one for libprelude-sqlite [03:59] each containing only the things they respectively need [03:59] i think i just had a brainstorm [03:59] Xoritor: it does the standard configure, make, make install correct? [03:59] yea [04:00] i think i just need to figure out how to tell it to put the mysql stuff in one pgsql stuff in another, and sqlite stuff in a third and have a -common for all the other stuff [04:01] Xoritor: have a look at the man page for dh_movefiles [04:01] I'm assuming you use debhelper [04:01] yep [04:01] thx [04:02] oops dh_movefiles recommends using dh_install instead === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] launchpad is down? [04:16] seems to have some issues [04:23] anyone know what this means: [5847210.085000] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 ? [04:24] could you be more crytpic mr. CIFS file system.... === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] chillywilly: CIFS is related to samba if I am not mistaken [04:33] sure, I asked there too ;) [04:34] indeed [04:34] samba speaks CIFS [04:34] cifs means "common internet filesystem" and its what smb became when M$ tried to make a "standard" [04:34] no idea what that error is [04:34] I can browse the shares through nautilus and with smbclient just fine [04:34] often you try to use a hostname in the mount [04:34] of course there is more to it but... [04:34] you need to use an IP [04:35] or setup dns [04:35] yep that's it [04:35] bah [04:36] I think last time I just had an entry in /etc/hosts [04:36] hmm, I dohave an entry there [04:40] don't bother with this 'networking' stuff, it's just a passing fad [04:40] haha [04:40] ajmitchie [04:41] wow, this new artwork kicks ass [04:45] meh [04:45] do you have orange icons too? [04:45] they're _way_ too bright [04:45] orange.. ick [04:46] yeah, orange [04:46] _WAY_ too bright [04:46] like, my eyes are burning bright [04:48] reading the changelog it seems easy enought to change back === ajmitch_ is still running a nice blue desktop === minghua hasn't seen the new icons yet === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenbum [n=zenbum@c-69-181-178-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] I like the tango icons, personally [05:08] although I am using Human [05:08] siretart, ping [05:09] Mez: at this hour of the morning? [05:09] ajmitch_, oh yeah [05:09] o_O [05:09] lol [05:09] *clicks to switch clock back to UK time* [05:09] siretart keeps fairly normal hours :) [05:10] yeah my clock was on a differnt timezone [05:10] what is "normal hours"? [05:10] Xoritor: like being up just before business hours [05:10] heh [05:10] and going to bed before dawn [05:10] hehehehe === ajmitch_ sees a screenshot of the new dapper themes - a little too orange for my liking [05:15] do you have to put the source dir for dh_install? [05:15] dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp [05:15] or is that "default"? [05:16] i see my issue [05:16] nm === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenbum [n=zenbum@c-69-181-178-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:26] ajmitch_: the orange doesn't bother me, the neon orange does :P [05:27] with all this talk of orange i sure am glad there are so many themes out there ;-) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] I actually like the orange more than the brown [05:49] I like blue rather than orange or brown, actually [05:49] it's one of the first things I change [05:49] its probably THE first thing i change [05:50] I think brown is just fine [05:50] as long as $EDITOR has syntax highlighting, I'm rather indifferent :) [05:50] my personal opinion about the colour notwithstanding, it's whether it's a good default theme [05:50] it took some time to adjust, but now I am quite ok with the human theme [05:51] IMHO "time to adjust" means it is not a good theme [05:51] and talking about "first thing I change" and "$EDITOR", the first thing I change is setting $EDITOR to vi [05:51] if you have to adjust something is wrong with it [05:51] I like the human theme, but I change the background [05:51] ie... its not "human friendly" [05:52] ;-) [05:52] or it's not to your tastes [05:52] yea true [05:52] everyone has diff tastes [05:52] just because you don't like the default, doesn't mean that it's not 'human-friendly' [05:52] minghua: same here === Xoritor was just making a very bad pun [05:53] but really i dont have anything against the human theme... its just the colors (and i like brown much more than orange) for me [05:53] if "human" came in lots of colors so i could choose which one i want... i would use it [05:54] but again... thats just me [05:54] which would be technically possible [05:54] should be anyways ajmitch_ [05:54] if a fully-svg icon set were used === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xoritor is not an artist [05:54] so i have no idea [05:55] LaserJock [05:56] hi G0SUB [05:56] LaserJock where is the current list of packages which MOTU-Science maintains? [05:56] night everyone [05:56] dayam, over 800 lines of diff for _one_ hda codec [05:57] yeah, it's a fair bit of code that got changed [05:57] and that isn't even the largest one [05:57] realtek isn't going to be twice that [05:57] s/n't// [05:58] LaserJock ? [05:59] G0SUB: sure, tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/all_list.html [06:00] LaserJock are all apps in the science category included? [06:00] G0SUB: some of them are in Main though, and I need to weed those out [06:00] science, math and tex [06:00] LaserJock okay ... I have found some in graphics ... where do i list those? [06:01] G0SUB: if you just start compiling a list that aren't in the science, matha, or tex sections that would be the easiest [06:02] LaserJock I am doing that itself [06:03] G0SUB: so what is your question? [06:03] LaserJock where do I write those down? in a wiki? [06:05] you can make your own list if you want, or we could do a wiki. [06:05] maybe a wiki would be the best, then we can get others to help ;-) [06:05] okay [06:07] LaserJock https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Science/NewPackages [06:09] I was thinking more /MOTU/Teams/Science/MiscPackages but whatever [06:09] okay, I haven't created the page yet [06:10] G0SUB: have you seen w.u.c/UbuntuScientists before? [06:10] yes [06:11] I think it might be good for use to run through that list after we are done and mark wich apps are in Ubuntu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-170.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] LaserJock for the time-being, I am using packages.ubuntu.com to search ... [06:13] yeah, or synaptic might be helpful also [06:14] yes ... [06:14] LaserJock we don't have SodiPodi in the Vector Drawing tools list [06:17] G0SUB: so maybe we can fill in both the /UbuntuScienctists and /MiscPackages pages together [06:18] hmm ... let me do the MiscPackages first ... then we'll classify and put them in UbuntuScientists [06:18] exactly === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] LaserJock btw, I don't think all apps in UbuntuScientists are owned by MOTUScience ... for example Inkscape [06:21] G0SUB: sure [06:22] G0SUB: and there are lots of apps that aren't in Ubuntu at all [06:22]