[12:13] <Riddell> Tm_T: there's no .orig
[01:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: hum :o
[01:09] <Tm_T> ah, original upstream source
[01:10] <Tm_T> coming rightaway
[01:10] <Tm_T> I knew I forgot something
[01:15] <Tm_T> bah
[01:16] <Tm_T> oh well, doing things twice is also twice as much fun ;)
[01:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm uploading new set of files :)
[01:41] <Tm_T> oh
[01:43] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, what exaclty you need?
[01:43] <Tm_T> what files
[01:48] <Riddell> Tm_T: .orig, .diff, .dsc
[01:52] <Tm_T> ah
[01:52] <Tm_T> hum, looks like I have to do things hard way :/
[01:52] <Riddell> seaLne: could you try the latest kdelibs to see if it fixes that avahi problem?
[01:52] <Tm_T> also learn hard way
[01:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: what's the problem?
[01:53] <Tm_T> nah, forgot that orig file at first place from build
[01:54] <Tm_T> and then.. I don't know, I do clean build from start :p
[01:54] <Tm_T> this is exactly what you get when you can't sleep
[01:54] <rraphink> argh *
[01:54] <rraphink> anyone with a ppc here?
[01:55] <Riddell> rraphink: not just now but in general yes
[01:55] <rraphink> I've got a big encoding issue after update
[01:55] <rraphink> and tonio doesn't hav eit on i386
[01:55] <rraphink> I can't type stressed letters
[01:55] <rraphink> they show as squares
[01:55] <rraphink> 
[01:55] <rraphink> can you see them?
[01:56] <rraphink> 
[01:56] <rraphink> Riddell: can you see letters here or only squares?
[01:56] <Tm_T> rraphink: Isee letters
[01:56] <rraphink> really?
[01:56] <rraphink> weird
[01:56] <rraphink> I see squares
[01:57] <rraphink> and if I commit these characters on kopete it crashes 
[01:57] <rraphink> crashes the connection to teh jabber server that is
[01:57] <rraphink> not sig 11
[01:57] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/595586
[01:57] <Tm_T> bah
[01:58] <raphink> well I'm stupid I could tell from here
[01:58] <raphink> I can read wha tI typed from the other comp
[01:58] <raphink> lol
[01:58] <raphink> 
[01:58] <raphink> 
[01:58] <raphink> 
[01:58] <raphink> and I can read on the ppc what I type here
[01:59] <raphink> that's weird
[01:59] <raphink> I just can' tsee wha tI type when I type it on the ppc
[01:59] <raphink> and apps don't like them either
[02:00] <raphink> having fun Tonio_ ?
[02:00] <Riddell> looks good to me
[02:00] <raphink> ah
[02:00] <Tonio_> raphink: I'm testing konversationrc for you ;)
[02:01] <raphink> ok toma_ ;)
[02:01] <raphink> ah a marche :)
[02:02] <Tonio_> raphink: tabs on bottom for me.......
[02:02] <Tm_T> hah, have to first run ./configure and then start building :p
[02:02] <Tm_T> oh well...
[02:03] <rraphink> there
[02:03] <rraphink> :)
[02:03] <rraphink> better 
[02:04] <rraphink> what a lag!
[02:04] <raphink-powerboo> too long
[02:04] <raphink-pbook> :)
[02:11] <Tm_T> aah
[02:11] <rraphink-pbook> prudence is a good thing
[02:11] <rraphink-pbook> better register enough links ;)
[02:11] <raphink-pbook> :)
[02:12] <raphink> hehe
[02:12] <Tm_T> this is strange, didn't accept kopete_0.12-beta1.orig.tar.gz
[02:12] <raphink> what reason did it give?
[02:13] <Tm_T> "orig directory is not in format program-version" etc
[02:13] <Tm_T> something like that
[02:13] <raphink-pbook> that's clear enough imo
[02:13] <raphink-pbook> the folder in the orig tarball should be named kopete-0.12beta1
[02:13] <Tm_T> it is
[02:13] <raphink-pbook> obviously it is not
[02:14] <Tm_T> aaaah!
[02:14] <Tm_T> you're right
[02:14] <raphink-pbook> sure
[02:14] <raphink-pbook> if soyuz says it
[02:14] <Tm_T> two "-" there
[02:14] <raphink-pbook> it can't be wrong on such a basic test ;)
[02:15] <raphink-pbook> hehe
[02:15] <raphink-pbook> yeah you used kopete-0.12-beta1
[02:15] <raphink-pbook> that can't work ;)
[02:15] <Tm_T> not my idea ;)
[02:15] <raphink-pbook> hehe
[02:15] <raphink-pbook> policy
[02:15] <Tm_T> ok, so I have to change that everywhere?
[02:15] <raphink-pbook> how do you mean everywhere?
[02:15] <Tm_T> like in changelog etc etc
[02:15] <raphink-pbook> its just in the directory
[02:15] <Tm_T> ah ok
[02:15] <raphink-pbook> well you shouldn't use 0.12-beta1 in for the binary anyway
[02:16] <raphink-pbook> you should use 0.11.99+0.12beta1
[02:16] <raphink-pbook> imo
[02:16] <raphink-pbook> for versioning reasons
[02:16] <Tm_T> 0.11.92 :)
[02:16] <Tm_T> you're right
[02:16] <raphink-pbook> yes 92 
[02:16] <raphink-pbook> so correct this too
[02:16] <raphink-pbook> kopete-0.12beta1 is fine for the dir
[02:17] <raphink-pbook> and 0.11.92+0.12beta1-0ubuntu1 for the binary version
[02:17] <raphink-pbook> ;)
[02:17] <Tm_T> thanks
[02:17] <raphink-pbook> di nada
[02:17] <raphink-pbook> :)
[02:18] <raphink-pbook> what is last packaged version Tm_T?
[02:18] <raphink-pbook> hi Hobbsee
[02:18] <Tm_T> raphink-pbook: what you mean?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hey raphink-pbook 
[02:18] <raphink-pbook> last version of kopete
[02:19] <Tm_T> in repository, or in here or...
[02:19] <raphink-pbook> ah it's 4:3.5.1 ...
[02:19] <Tm_T> yup
[02:19] <raphink-pbook> obviously
[02:19] <raphink-pbook> ;)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> 0.11
[02:19] <Tm_T> 0.11.1
[02:19] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:19] <raphink-pbook> well not in the repository, since it's officially in kdenetwork
[02:21] <Tm_T> binary version is finally defined in "changelog" file?
[02:21] <raphink-pbook> control
[02:21] <Tm_T> ah!
[02:21] <raphink-pbook> well the version sorry
[02:21] <raphink-pbook> the version is in changelog
[02:21] <raphink-pbook> the name of the binary is in control
[02:21] <raphink-pbook> hehe
[02:21] <Tm_T> yup
[02:21] <Tm_T> you're trying to confuse me, aren't you?!
[02:21] <raphink-pbook> nope I'm tired 
[02:21] <raphink-pbook> slept 2 hours last night
[02:22] <raphink-pbook> and it's 2:20 AM now
[02:22] <Tm_T> so "version" in changelog is something like this: 5:0.11.92+0.12beta1-0ubuntu1
[02:22] <Tm_T> right?
[02:22] <raphink-pbook> yes
[02:22] <Tm_T> ok
[02:23] <raphink-pbook> that's what has to be in the brackets
[02:23] <Tm_T> "kopete (5:0.11.92+0.12beta1-0ubuntu1) unstable; urgency=low"
[02:23] <Tm_T> first line in there
[02:23] <Tm_T> now renaming dirs...
[02:24] <Tm_T> hmm, I can't just rename dir inside tar.gz :o
[02:24] <Tm_T> how sad
[02:24] <raphink-pbook> nope
[02:24] <raphink-pbook> not unstable
[02:25] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: distribution is not unstable
[02:25] <Tm_T> dapper?
[02:25] <raphink-pbook> of course ;)
[02:25] <Tm_T> ah that's distribution part
[02:25] <raphink-pbook> unless you're packaging it for sid
[02:25] <Tm_T> not yet
[02:25] <raphink-pbook> hehe
[02:25] <Tm_T> maybe later ;)
[02:25] <raphink-pbook> ok
[02:25] <raphink-pbook> or you're packaging it for yourself
[02:25] <raphink-pbook> in which case "twity" is also a good name fo rthe distribution
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> ;)
[02:26] <Tm_T> or "raphink's special"
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> hmm sure
[02:26] <Tm_T> hmm, too long
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> if you want to make it a tribute to me somehow
[02:26] <Tm_T> just "raph"
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> for a reason I'd ignore
[02:26] <Tm_T> =)
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> ;)
[02:26] <Tm_T> aye aye sir!
[02:26] <Tm_T> o7
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> lol
[02:26] <Tm_T> what's next...
[02:28] <raphink-pbook> what's next is what's after
[02:28] <raphink-pbook> ;)
[02:28] <raphink-pbook> grrr
[02:28] <raphink-pbook> some stupid .doc file had my konqui crash on me in gmail 
[02:28] <raphink-pbook> grr
[02:29] <Tm_T> =)
[02:29] <raphink-pbook> while I was chatting on it
[02:29] <raphink-pbook> lol
[02:30] <raphink-pbook> stupid formats
[02:30] <Tm_T> hey, is this stupid thing to do, in control file: Standards-Version: 3.6.2
[02:30] <raphink-pbook> mhm
[02:31] <raphink-pbook> is this package a new one you're doing from scratch?
[02:31] <raphink-pbook> or is it based on a sync from debian?
[02:31] <Tm_T> from scratch
[02:31] <raphink-pbook> ok
[02:31] <Tm_T> I already asked from debian ml but they directed to ask about it from myself
[02:32] <Tm_T> so I have to do one man show here ;)
[02:32] <Tm_T> so, it's ok?
[02:32] <raphink-pbook> about what you asked, sure
[02:32] <raphink-pbook> doesn't mean the rest is
[02:32] <Tm_T> ok
[02:32] <raphink-pbook> ;)
[02:32] <Tm_T> haha
[02:32] <raphink-pbook> I'd suggest you review your package yourself a bit ;)
[02:33] <raphink-pbook> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing
[02:33] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: if you don't know the page already, you can refer to it
[02:33] <Tm_T> well, the first version of package installed and worked fine this far
[02:33] <raphink-pbook> doesn't mean it's good in regards to policy
[02:35] <Tm_T> aye
[02:35] <raphink-pbook> although I certainly prefer a package that works and is not perfect on policy stuff*
[02:36] <raphink-pbook> to a package that is totally nice in regards to policy and doesn't work ;)
[02:36] <raphink-pbook> the latter being not very useful to the distro somehow
[02:37] <Tm_T> hmm, that's nice page
[02:38] <raphink-pbook> thanks
[02:38] <raphink-pbook> it's made to be more informative than nice, but I'm glad you like it
[02:39] <Tm_T> hmm, so, this package is not in debian nor in ubuntu ofcourse (I'm talking about only 0.12 version)
[02:40] <raphink-pbook> mhm
[02:40] <raphink-pbook> would you like me to put it on my repo?
[02:40] <raphink-pbook> so people can try it out
[02:41] <Tm_T> well, andre^off already host it :)
[02:41] <Tm_T> in his repo
[02:41] <raphink-pbook> ok as you wish :)
[02:41] <Tm_T> I'm not saying you can't have it too ;)
[02:41] <Tm_T> I don't care as long as people wo needs it gets it
[02:41] <raphink-pbook> well it's open-source, so if I want to host it I'll do ;)
[02:42] <raphink-pbook> s/I'll do/I will/
[02:42] <Tm_T> ...do I get some money from it?
[02:42] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[02:42] <raphink-pbook> lol
[02:42] <Tm_T> bah, keep working ->
[02:42] <raphink-pbook> lol
[02:43] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: http://www.mrmiddleamerica.com/uploaded_images/pony-769979.jpg
[02:44] <raphink-pbook> sorry ;)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[02:46] <raphink-pbook> hehe
[02:46] <Tm_T> raphink-pbook: =)
[02:46] <Tm_T> raphink-pbook: marry me?
[02:47] <raphink-pbook> you're a girl?
[02:47] <Tm_T> if you like so
[02:47] <raphink-pbook> don't take it bad, but I don't plan on marrying anyone but a woman you see
[02:48] <Hobbsee> oh dear...did i switch into #ubuntu-offtopic without noticing lol?
[02:48] <raphink-pbook> no
[02:48] <raphink-pbook> offtopic is much more serious a place
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:49] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: hmm I see... 
[02:50] <Tm_T> haha
[02:50] <Tm_T> just cidding
[02:50] <Tm_T> k
[02:50] <raphink-pbook> Hobbsee: only people who come once in a while and do nothing are not allowed to go offtopic on a channel ;)
[02:50] <Tm_T> bah, whatever
[02:50] <Tm_T> raphink-pbook: what's this REVU thing
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:50] <raphink-pbook> others are allowed to take a fun time from work 
[02:50] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[02:51] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: it's not hard to search on the wiki you see
[02:51] <raphink-pbook> you put REVU in the field, press OK
[02:51] <raphink-pbook> or even you click on the link that refers to it
[02:52] <raphink-pbook> yeah the pbook is all clean and soft and smooth :)
[02:52] <Tm_T> haha
[02:52] <raphink-pbook> hehe :D
[02:53] <Tm_T> youre "funny"
[02:53] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:53] <raphink-pbook> what's this "funny" for ?
[02:54] <Tm_T> nicer wayto say "smartass"
[02:54] <Tm_T> but ignore me, I need proper sleep
[02:55] <raphink-pbook> I need sleep too
[02:55] <raphink-pbook> where are you from Tm_T,
[02:55] <raphink-pbook> ?
[02:55] <Tm_T> I wonder, since when all text in Konsole started to jump up and down
[02:55] <raphink-pbook> finland
[02:55] <Tm_T> Finland yes, from East :)
[02:55] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: since you programmed yourself a virus?
[02:56] <Tm_T> what?!
[02:56] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: there's east finland?
[02:56] <Tm_T> http://worldwide.kde.org/
[02:56] <Tm_T> use interactive map ;)
[02:56] <raphink-pbook> oh you're a kde dev
[02:56] <Tm_T> alteast trying to be
[02:56] <raphink-pbook> argh java
[02:56] <raphink-pbook> haven't installed java yet
[02:57] <Tm_T> haha
[02:57] <raphink-pbook> I'll try on the i386
[02:57] <Tm_T> I'm more talker than doer
[02:57] <Tm_T> but yes, I have done something :)
[02:58] <raphink-pbook> what have you done?
[02:58] <raphink-pbook> who can have their names on this map?
[02:58] <Tm_T> well, Kopete 0.12 ... ;)
[02:58] <Tm_T> noidea
[02:58] <raphink-pbook> well you are part of these though
[02:59] <raphink-pbook> there's a kind of big blank in France
[02:59] <Tm_T> also I try to help with Kids Office when we start to do that
[02:59] <raphink-pbook> right where I currently live
[02:59] <Tm_T> :)
[02:59] <raphink-pbook> obviously the majority of devs are german 
[02:59] <raphink-pbook> in europe
[02:59] <Tm_T> heh
[02:59] <Tm_T> not enough from Finland imho
[02:59] <Tm_T> shame
[03:00] <Tm_T> but I can make something for it
[03:00] <Tm_T> and I will
[03:00] <raphink-pbook> you do much better than latvai
[03:00] <raphink-pbook> latvia
[03:00] <raphink-pbook> do'nt worry
[03:00] <raphink-pbook> you're two in finland, it could be much worse ;)
[03:00] <raphink-pbook> ha
[03:00] <raphink-pbook> not even
[03:00] <raphink-pbook> more
[03:00] <Tm_T> two?!
[03:00] <raphink-pbook> there are more in the south
[03:00] <Tm_T> yup, more like, uhm 8
[03:01] <raphink-pbook> that I had not seen
[03:01] <raphink-pbook> I thought they were in estonia
[03:01] <Tm_T> :p
[03:01] <raphink-pbook> cause it's all mixed when names get on one another
[03:01] <Tm_T> true
[03:01] <raphink-pbook> and when tireness get my eyes to mix, too
[03:01] <raphink-pbook> tireness or tiredom?
[03:01] <raphink-pbook> hmmm
[03:01] <Tm_T> tireness
[03:01] <raphink-pbook> ok
[03:02] <Tm_T> "tiredom" sounds afwul
[03:02] <raphink-pbook> lol
[03:02] <raphink-pbook> just like boredom :p
[03:02] <raphink-pbook> but boreness sounds even worse
[03:03] <Tm_T> but as you see, I nearly live in, err, Siperia?
[03:03] <raphink-pbook> no way
[03:03] <raphink-pbook> you're very far from it
[03:03] <Tm_T> haha
[03:03] <raphink-pbook> ;o
[03:03] <raphink-pbook> I've been to moscow some years ago
[03:03] <raphink-pbook> loved it there :)
[03:03] <Tm_T> you're right, it's only about a meter of snow in here
[03:03] <raphink-pbook> in winter, sure
[03:04] <raphink-pbook> but in the summer, siberia is very hot ;)
[03:04] <raphink-pbook> well depends what parts of siberia, too ;)
[03:04] <Tm_T> and quite warm too, -22,9 C
[03:04] <raphink-pbook> a friend of mine married a girl from there :)
[03:04] <Tm_T> yay!
[03:05] <raphink-pbook> I was in moscow with him, long before he knew her
[03:05] <raphink-pbook> 7 years ago 
[03:05] <Tm_T> you'll see some nice photos as soon as I re'start my blog
[03:05] <raphink-pbook> sounds like an eternity ago
[03:05] <raphink-pbook> ah good
[03:05] <raphink-pbook> i've restarted blogging too
[03:05] <Tm_T> a/'/-/
[03:05] <raphink-pbook> spent last night working on my blog :)
[03:05] <Tm_T> hehe
[03:05] <raphink-pbook> http://www.raphink.info :)
[03:05] <raphink-pbook> wordpress does a great job :)
[03:06] <Tm_T> I'm not sure what I should use
[03:06] <Tm_T> serendipity last time
[03:06] <raphink-pbook> Hobbsee: as you wish ;)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:07] <Tm_T> but when we moved database server, I lost it
[03:07] <Hobbsee> i should though
[03:07] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: ah :(
[03:07] <raphink-pbook> Hobbsee: why should you?
[03:07] <raphink-pbook> Hobbsee: if you wanna blog, try wordpress, it's set in 5 minutes and it rox :)
[03:07] <Tm_T> raphink-pbook: there was three or five entries from last year, so no real loss
[03:07] <Hobbsee> because it seems like everyone else has a blog or whatever
[03:07] <Tm_T> heh
[03:08] <Tm_T> yup, but don't worry, it will go away
[03:08] <raphink-pbook> Hobbsee: yeah, especially whatever
[03:08] <Tm_T> like tamagotchi
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:08] <raphink-pbook> hmm
[03:08] <raphink-pbook> I wouldn't like to see planet.tamagochi.jp
[03:09] <raphink-pbook> with lots of tamagotchis from lots of people
[03:09] <raphink-pbook> gathered in the same place
[03:09] <raphink-pbook> that would be scary
[03:09] <Hobbsee> raphink-pbook: and that'd be cool :P  (from your blog, that is)
[03:09] <raphink-pbook> nope :p
[03:09] <raphink-pbook> anyway
[03:09] <raphink-pbook> it's 3AM
[03:09] <raphink-pbook> time to go to bed for me
[03:09] <raphink-pbook> ;)
[03:10] <raphink-pbook> ciao
[03:10] <Tm_T> noooooooo
[03:10] <Tm_T> it's 0410 here
[03:10] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: :p
[03:10] <Hobbsee> sleep is for wusses :P
[03:10] <Hobbsee> staying up all night is far more fun :P
[03:10] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: I slept from 5:30 to 7:30 last night
[03:10] <Tm_T> raphink-pbook: that's much
[03:10] <Tm_T> too much ;)
[03:10] <raphink-pbook> having spent the night on thinking of the best way to embed my CV on my blog
[03:10] <raphink-pbook> lol
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:11] <raphink-pbook> I used iframes in the end
[03:11] <raphink-pbook> embedding pdf in iframe dealt with css looks very nice :)
[03:12] <raphink-pbook> haven't tested it on IE *cough* *cough* yet *cough*
[03:12] <Tm_T> =)
[03:12] <raphink-pbook> so if anyone has a copy of this *cough* program *cough* and can tell me if it works, I'll feel good to go to bed
[03:12] <Hobbsee> who uses it anyway?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> pft lol
[03:12] <raphink-pbook> knowing stupid people who can't install good browsers can view my CV
[03:13] <raphink-pbook> Hobbsee: HR use it... 
[03:13] <raphink-pbook> for example
[03:13] <Hobbsee> no...wait...maybe i do...somewhere...after a reboot....
[03:13] <Hobbsee> true
[03:13] <raphink-pbook> hahaha
[03:13] <Hobbsee> which reminds me - must grab portable firefox!!!!
[03:13] <raphink-pbook> someone it matters to me that HR can see my CV ...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> thanks for that!
[03:13] <raphink-pbook> hehe ;)
[03:13] <raphink-pbook> I've got safari on reboot...
[03:13] <raphink-pbook> haven't tested it in safari
[03:14] <raphink-pbook> I guess I'd need acroread to get it embed, just like w/ FF or IE
[03:14] <raphink-pbook> Konqui rocks :)
[03:14] <raphink-pbook> he can use kpdf to embed it without using any closed-source app :)
[03:14] <raphink-pbook> hehe
[03:14] <raphink-pbook> s/he/it/
[03:15] <Hobbsee> it.  yep.  gotta remember about those green furry bug-eyed monsters that like go looking at blogs...
[03:15] <raphink-pbook> you mean blogremlins?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> them too
[03:20] <raphink-pbook> anyway
[03:20] <raphink-pbook> I'm off*
[03:20] <raphink-pbook> later
[03:34] <Tm_T> raphink-pbook: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/ is getting new stuff
[03:35] <Tm_T> what else to you Hobbsee ?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: huh?
[03:36] <Tm_T> yeah, I'm talking to you
[03:36] <Hobbsee> i dont understand the question
[03:36] <Tm_T> what's up
[03:37] <Hobbsee> reading the newspaper, looking vaguely at my computing assignment...thinking about how it's due for a checkpoint on monday...
[03:37] <Tm_T> :)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> and thinking about how it doesnt work as intended
[03:38] <Tm_T> you're student?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> something's screwing up with it, and i'm not sure what that something is yet
[03:38] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:38] <Tm_T> studying what and where
[03:40] <Hobbsee> optoelectronics at macquarie university, in sydney
[03:40] <Tm_T> sounds fun
[03:40] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:40] <Hobbsee> it is
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hope i'm not the only person doign it though
[03:42] <Tm_T> Degree Programme in Business Information Technology <- yay
[03:42] <Tm_T> sounds bad, and it defiantely is
[03:42] <Tm_T> "lets use more MS Office"
[03:42] <Tm_T> about all we do
[03:43] <Tm_T> this is supposed to be polytechnics
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:44] <Hobbsee> great
[03:47] <Tm_T> yeah, really boring, really frustrating, really waste of time
[03:47] <Tm_T> ad I don't really have any options
[03:47] <Tm_T> sounds good
[03:47] <Tm_T> jolly good indeed =)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  mailing list stuff is interesting!
[03:53] <Tm_T> can't be 
[03:55] <Hobbsee> the one about delaying dapper is...
[03:56] <Tm_T> hey, forward it to kubuntu-devel
[03:56] <Hobbsee> it was on kubuntu-devel
[03:56] <Hobbsee> that's where i read it...
[03:56] <Tm_T> I don't see it
[03:59] <Hobbsee> oh grrr!
[03:59] <Hobbsee> where the heck did it go????
[04:00] <Hobbsee> all right, it's gone fishing somewhere - i did read it on kubuntu-devel - either that or kubuntu-users - but i'm pretty sure it was on -devel
[04:01] <Hobbsee> someone's been munching on my email...
[04:05] <Tm_T> heh
[04:06] <Tm_T> I can't see it in ubuntu-devel list in here either: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/
[04:06] <Hobbsee> it definetly was in one of those... - kubuntu-users, or kubuntu-devel
[04:07] <Hobbsee> but as for where...that i cant seem to find
[06:32] <seaLne> Riddell: i won't be able to check kded/avahi till monday as i still have breezy at home, if someone else wants to chack all they need to do is stop avahi-daemon
[06:33] <Lathiat> that reminds mei was goign to take a look at that
[06:44] <freeflying> anyone can file a bug on skim for it can automatically start up in en_US locales
[09:40] <robotgeek> freeflying: has someone filed a bug yet, i can file one now
[09:46] <robotgeek> Bug #34422
[09:46] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34422 in scim "scim starts automatically on en_US locale" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34422
[09:49] <freeflying> robotgeek: thx
[09:49] <robotgeek> maybe not against scim?
[09:50] <freeflying> robotgeek: assigned to skim , not scim
[09:50] <robotgeek> grr, sorry
[09:50] <freeflying> robotgeek: deb http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/archive/ ./
[09:51] <freeflying> robotgeek: add this to your sources.list
[09:51] <freeflying> and upgrade 
[09:51] <robotgeek> freeflying: if i already removed it from my menu entry, would that help?
[09:51] <freeflying> robotgeek: before upgrade , delete th file about skim in &HOME.kde/share/config/
[09:52] <Tm_T> robotgeek: I'll take it back, more investigating, in aminute..
[09:52] <robotgeek> Tm_T: kk
[09:52] <Tm_T> robotgeek: no any "nvidia settings" here
[09:53] <robotgeek> Tm_T: meaning?
[09:53] <Tm_T> because "nvidia-settings" package in dapper is not "installable"
[09:54] <Tm_T> if I install it, I lose nvidia-glx
[09:54] <Tm_T> sooo
[09:55] <robotgeek> Tm_T: workarounds, etc?
[09:56] <robotgeek> freeflying: hmm, dist-upgrading, can take about 10 mins
[09:56] <Tm_T> I think "nvidia-settings" binary is included in nvidia-glx package :o
[09:56] <robotgeek> Tm_T: is that a bug or a feature :P
[09:57] <Tm_T> but doesn't appear to menu
[09:57] <Tm_T> so, just open it thru run dialog
[09:58] <robotgeek> okay, cool. 
[09:59] <Tm_T> no idea what is default shortcut to it
[09:59] <Tm_T> I have win+r here
[09:59] <robotgeek> alt + f2
[10:00] <Tm_T> ok
[10:04] <robotgeek> freeflying: i deleted .kde/share/apps/skimrc, before dist-upgrading, skim is back 
[10:05] <freeflying> robotgeek: ?
[10:05] <robotgeek> freeflying: in the system tray
[10:05] <freeflying> robotgeek: after del the file andupgrade skim , it will startup again ?
[10:06] <robotgeek> freeflying: yes. what is the command to verify the policy?
[10:06] <freeflying> robotgeek: I'd try again 
[10:07] <robotgeek> freeflying: hmm, i don't have a skimrc even :P
[10:08] <freeflying> robotgeek: without skimrc , it will not start up automaticlly
[10:08] <robotgeek> freeflying: hmm, but it did 
[10:08] <freeflying> Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;
[10:08] <freeflying> X-KDE-autostart-after=panel
[10:08] <freeflying> Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;
[10:09] <freeflying> robotgeek: X-KDE-autostart-condition=skimrc:General:Autostart:true
[10:10] <robotgeek> freeflying: where do i check this again?
[10:17] <robotgeek> freeflying: lots of bug acitivity, i think better to change it ?
[10:17] <freeflying> robotgeek: you mean scim ?
[10:17] <robotgeek> yes, from scim to skim?
[10:18] <freeflying> robotgeek: change what ?
[10:18] <robotgeek> freeflying: the bug was assigned to scim, it should have been skim, right?
[10:19] <freeflying> robotgeek: ya
[10:20] <robotgeek> freeflying: changed
[10:21] <freeflying> robotgeek: thx
[10:21] <robotgeek> freeflying: how which file do i check all what you pasted?
[10:23] <freeflying> robotgeek: you may disable it in /usr/share/autostart/skim.desktop
[10:25] <robotgeek> freeflying: thanks
[11:14] <freeflying> robotgeek_zzz: ping
[11:40] <jpatrick> morning
[11:40] <freeflying> hey jpatrick 
[11:41] <jpatrick> hi freeflying, Hobbsee
[11:41] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick 
[11:42] <jpatrick> how are you?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> good, was coding earlier, and finally figured out which bit was wrong.  then went to work, and had two nice big guys to protect me from a couple of thugs that were lurking around in back dock (and i have no clue how they got there!)
[11:45] <freeflying> Hobbsee: would u like do a test on skim in you system ?
[11:45] <Hobbsee> er, not particularly lol - i'm about to go and grab some dinner
[11:45] <Hobbsee> and skim, when you try to disable it, seems to crash my system a bit
[11:46] <freeflying> how ca it crash your system ?
[11:46] <jpatrick> I've had some ups and downs recently
[11:46] <freeflying> s/ca/can
[11:46] <Hobbsee> i think i tried removing it, then got a lot of kde program crashes for some reason...
[01:51] <apokryphos> j #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:51] <apokryphos> hm :)
[02:27] <freeflying> jpatrick: ping
[02:27] <jpatrick> freeflying: pang
[02:27] <freeflying> jpatrick: need upload sponsor
[02:28] <jpatrick> to universe?
[02:28] <jpatrick> what package?
[02:28] <freeflying> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2136
[02:29] <freeflying> jpatrick: but it's approved to be in main 
[02:35] <jpatrick> freeflying: okay, I'm on it
[02:35] <freeflying> jpatrick: upload ?
[02:35] <jpatrick> no, reviewing
[02:36] <jpatrick> freeflying: version=2 watch?
[02:37] <jpatrick> I believe 3's latest
[02:37] <freeflying> jpatrick: that's upgrade from the maintainer,so don't wanna chage too much on it 
[02:37] <jpatrick> ok
[02:38] <freeflying> any others ?
[02:43] <jpatrick> looks good
[02:45] <jpatrick> having revu-tools ran on it
[02:55] <freeflying> jpatrick: aleady run with pbuilder
[02:57] <jpatrick> freeflying: built on revu already :P
[02:59] <freeflying> jpatrick: have you ever used mdt ?
[02:59] <jpatrick> mdt?
[03:00] <freeflying> multidistrotool
[03:00] <jpatrick> nope
[03:01] <freeflying> is kubuntu flight-5 out?
[03:01] <jpatrick> noone tested it
[03:04] <freeflying> I just do a fresh install with 10/3 daily cd 
[03:21] <freeflying> jpatrick: how about the result ?
[03:28] <jpatrick> freeflying: one sexc
[03:28] <jpatrick> sec*
[03:48] <jpatrick> freeflying: I'm happy with the package
[03:48] <freeflying> jpatrick: upload 
[03:56] <jpatrick> freeflying: done, close bugs, etc
[03:56] <freeflying> jpatrick: okthx
[04:47] <robotgeek> freeflying: pong
[04:48] <freeflying> robotgeek: would u like have a try again ?
[04:48] <robotgeek> freeflying: hmm, okay i just booted into breezy, let me reboot
[04:48] <freeflying> robotgeek: thx
[04:56] <robotgeek> freeflying: i don't have any updates?
[04:56] <Tm_T> raphink-pbook: ping
[04:56] <freeflying> robotgeek: sudo apt-get --reinstall install skim 
[05:01] <jpatrick> Tm_T: I believe that he went out
[05:03] <robotgeek> freeflying: i deleted .kde/share/apps/config/skimrc, then did sudo apt-get --reinstall install skim. skim is back in my system tray 
[05:03] <freeflying> robotgeek: and you add the source I gave u ?
[05:04] <robotgeek> freeflying: yes, but i get no updates since yesterday
[05:05] <freeflying> robotgeek: can u show me the skimrc and /usr/share/autostart/skim.desktop
[05:05] <Tm_T> jpatrick: ok thank
[05:05] <Tm_T> s
[05:06] <Tm_T> jpatrick: new polished package of Kopete (in case you're interested): http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/
[05:06] <jpatrick> ah so andred's not doing them anymore?
[05:07] <freeflying> Tm_T: I have interesting , but access to your website
[05:07] <robotgeek> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/596352
[05:07] <robotgeek> freeflying: no skimrc after reinstall
[05:07] <Tm_T> freeflying: =
[05:07] <Tm_T> ?
[05:07] <freeflying> s/access/ can't access
[05:09] <Tm_T> what you mean
[05:09] <jpatrick> freeflying: the Great Firewall I guess
[05:10] <jpatrick> Tm_T: the Chinese government have blacklisted your site :o
[05:10] <Tm_T> haha
[05:11] <Tm_T> they should
[05:11] <jpatrick> for they're sanity
[05:11] <jpatrick> their* ;)
[05:11] <robotgeek> hey Tm_T jpatrick 
[05:11] <Tm_T> robotgeek: moin
[05:12] <jpatrick> hey robotgeek 
[05:12] <robotgeek> how do i check where i installed a particulat package from?
[05:12] <freeflying> robotgeek: reinstall it again , I forgot pbuild it 
[05:12] <jpatrick> apt-cache policy ?
[05:12] <robotgeek> thaks :)
[05:13] <freeflying> jpatrick: you got it , :)
[05:13] <jpatrick> Tm_T: patrick@rothera:~$ lintian -i kopete_0.11.92+0.12beta1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb <- woah, messy
[05:13] <robotgeek> freeflying: okay, it did not install skim from your site
[05:14] <jpatrick> Tm_T: and put '--disable-rpath' in ./configure command
[05:14] <robotgeek> freeflying: on apt-get update, i get IGN http://ubuntu-zh.3222.org ./ Release.gpg
[05:15] <freeflying> robotgeek: or you can download it directly 
[05:16] <robotgeek> freeflying: okay, it's cause you don't have ppc versions :)
[05:16] <Tm_T> jpatrick: have to remember
[05:16] <freeflying> robotgeek: oh ya , u r using ibook , I foogot it , I may build a ppc for you 
[05:17] <robotgeek> freeflying: thanks. sorry for confusion. i should have checked earlier
[05:17] <freeflying> robotgeek: or you can download the source package , and build for you own :)
[05:18] <robotgeek> freeflying: hmm, later in the day. just got up :)
[05:19] <freeflying> robotgeek: then I mail you the source package now 
[05:20] <freeflying> robotgeek: give me your mail address , plz 
[05:22] <raphink-pbook> Tm_T: pong
[05:30] <robotgeek> freeflying: venkatvc at ubuntu.com
[05:33] <freeflying> robotgeek: sent it 
[05:34] <robotgeek> freeflying: recvd, thanks
[05:34] <freeflying> robotgeek: thx for test 
[05:36] <Tm_T> jpatrick: what's that exactly?
[05:37] <jpatrick> Tm_T: what?
[05:37] <Tm_T> '--disable-rpath'
[05:37] <jpatrick> not sure but it'll get rid of the "W: kopete: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath" errors
[05:38] <Tm_T> aah
[05:38] <Tm_T> try that
[05:40] <Tm_T> jpatrick: else?
[05:40] <Tm_T> good ;)
[05:42] <jpatrick> right
[05:43] <Tm_T> ah!
[05:44] <Tm_T> I do need some coffee
[06:00] <robotgeek> if we get a 6 weeks extensions, we should put network-manager from cvs
[06:08] <Tm_T> how about Kopete 0.12? ;--P
[06:09] <robotgeek> seriously, kde lacks a good wireless management tool
[06:09] <Tm_T> true
[06:09] <Tm_T> not that I know anything about it but that's been complained often
[06:09] <robotgeek> kwifimanager sucks. it causes more harm than good
[06:10] <robotgeek> i just refer people to the cli method instead of gui method in kde
[06:15] <robotgeek> of course, i don't know what is involved in getting it from cvs and stuff 
[06:19] <Tm_T> jpatrick: looks like lintian gives nice bunch of errors... let's see if I know what to do with them
[06:23] <jpatrick> Tm_T: upload it to revu
[06:51] <Tm_T> hmm, have to learn that
[06:51] <Tm_T> wanna help with it?
[07:04] <jpatrick> Tm_T: poke sistart on #ubuntu-motu
[07:05] <Tm_T> yay
[07:29] <Tm_T> raphink-pbook: check #u-motu
[07:29] <Tm_T> now coffee ->