[12:03] <yoge> HymnToLife > thanks
[12:04] <gleesond> does sound-juicer or any of the rippers support cdda
[12:04] <leafw> even cookies in konqueror knew about the previous screen resolution
[12:04] <gleesond> for automatic nameing
[12:04] <leafw> but NOT KDE
[12:04] <white_negre> I am using Xgl
[12:05] <HymnToLife> gleesond> yes
[12:05] <white_negre> kde has a problem with decoration
[12:05] <HymnToLife> don't know about SJ but abcde does
[12:05] <white_negre> I am using gnome decorations now :(
[12:06] <gleesond> cool
[12:06] <judgen> How do i make a "ati remote wonder"  work in kubuntu?
[12:06] <judgen> is there a config utility?
[12:09] <ganymed_> one question, given the same degree of fx (effects), is there a chance that two themes are differently fast?
[12:12] <gleesond> HymnToLife: is there a good tutorial for abcde because its not seeing my cdrom
[12:13] <HymnToLife> hmm I dunno
[12:13] <HymnToLife> what error message do you get ?
[12:13] <gleesond> do you know how to set it up
[12:13] <HymnToLife> i needed no setup for me
[12:13] <HymnToLife> I installed it, launched abcde, voil
[12:13] <gleesond> abcde error: CDROM has not been defined or cannot be found
[12:13] <HymnToLife> do you have a CD in your drive ?
[12:14] <brandon> how do i install "codeine" <~~media player, on my computer iam useing kubuntu
[12:14] <HymnToLife> and if so, is it mounted ?
[12:15] <gleesond> yes
[12:16] <HymnToLife> try ls /cdrom
[12:16] <gleesond> its in /media/cdrom
[12:16] <brandon> how do i install "codeine" <~~media player, on my computer iam useing kubuntu
[12:17] <HymnToLife> normally there's a symlink from /cdrom to /media/cdrom
[12:17] <HymnToLife> if there isn't we found your problem
[12:17] <gleesond> hm
[12:17] <gleesond> ok I'll try it
[12:19] <gleesond> well my shell isn't seeing the files at all but konqueror does see them
[12:22] <HymnToLife> that's weird :/
[12:27] <borelia> !motifwrapper
[12:27] <ubotu> borelia: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:33] <brandon> how do i install "codeine" <~~media player, on my computer iam useing kubuntu
[12:43] <qwertyu> i had a problem with X.. after 5 minutes using kubuntu, my monitor shuts - on my monitor "input signal out of range".. any idea?
[12:44] <judgen> Multimedia Keys in gnome, what is the KDE equivalent?
[12:46] <Parkotron> judgen: System Settings > Regional and Acessibility > Input Actions
[12:47] <qwertyu> anyone here can send me xorg.conf file?
[12:51] <norman> guys i am trying to connect to the seveas repos but its not working anybody know hwo
[12:53] <judgen> Parkotron: Is it the same controll applet as in kcontrol?
[12:55] <Parkotron> judgen: Yes it is.
[12:56] <Parkotron> judgen: I prefer kcontrol as well, but I usually find it less work to assume that someone is using System Settings.
[12:57] <Parkotron> judgen: Are you on a laptop or a desktop?
[12:57] <norman> anybody know something about the seveas repo's
[12:58] <Parkotron> !seveas
[12:58] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:02] <Drakeson> is the new filter field in konqueror a kubuntu only feature or it is for the whole kde?
[01:03] <murph2481> amarok will not play MP3's
[01:03] <murph2481> faq's dont help :(
[01:04] <norman> Parkotron: when i try something from the seveas repos i get an error message like this
[01:04] <norman> Failed to fetch http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/freenx/libxcomp1_1.4.92+1.5.0-4ubuntu0_i386.deb  403 Forbidden
[01:06] <cerdg> I was wondering if someone could help me...I was running breezy, and I tried to do an upgrade to dapper (changed everything in sources.list, then did the apt-get install dist-upgrade), and everything seemed to go ok.  From there, I tried rebooting, and now it won't boot at all
[01:07] <norman> find a live cd
[01:07] <cerdg> if I lose the installation, it's fine, but now I can't even mount the drive
[01:08] <cerdg> oh, I have another testbed installed, and I'm on the computer, I just can't get to that drive with it
[01:08] <norman> cerdg: find a live cd mount your partition in a chroot envirment
[01:08] <norman> and fix what is broken
[01:09] <cerdg> I'm not able to mount the partition
[01:09] <norman> not even when you run it from a live cdrom
[01:10] <cerdg> sorry, I had to reread the last thing you said, and saw that you included the livecd option in there
[01:10] <cerdg> alright, I'll give that a try...I just want to keep some of the data...the installation can go really
[01:10] <cerdg> thanks, I'll let you know how it turns out
[01:11] <norman> kee
[01:12] <norman> Parkotron: do you know why i get a forbidden options when i try to download something via the seveas repo's
[01:13] <Parkotron> norman: No idea. I've never used seveas. I just knew that ubotu knew about it. Sorry I can't be of more help.
[01:14] <Parkotron> Maybe you should try one of the mirrors.
[01:14] <norman> ehm kee
[01:25] <jcoby> what would cause kde apps to have trouble resolving domain names?  gtk and command line apps don't seem to have the problem.
[01:25] <treakath> hey all
[01:26] <treakath> johnflux
[01:26] <jcoby> ie, a site takes 30+ seconds to resolve in konq, but firefox finds it in 1 sec or less.
[01:28] <fmasi> helow i like to know if superkaramba com in kubuntu or i have to install it after
[01:28] <treakath> jcoby what linux do you use i have kubuntu
[01:28] <fmasi> and where to get a god source.list whith every rps
[01:29] <jcoby> treakath: kubuntu
[01:29] <jcoby> Linux ubuntu 2.6.12-9-k7-smp #1 SMP Mon Oct 10 13:58:43 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:30] <fmasi> reboot
[01:30] <jcoby> done that
[01:40] <juan> hello
[01:40] <Tonga> Hi I changed the formating of my time in KDE and now when running apt-get I get a timestamp error saying I'm to far into the future
[01:40] <Tonga> heh
[01:41] <Tonga> How do I fix this? my time is set correctly
[01:41] <juan> anyone with experience in mirror fakeRaid 1  with kubuntu
[01:42] <_redondos> hi
[01:43] <juan> where can i find the dmraid package in kubunt????
[01:49] <fmasi> can i use the same source.list that i use in ubuntu ???
[01:51] <HymnToLife> yes
[01:51] <HymnToLife> there are extra repos for some packages though (KDE 3.5.1 and Amarok 1.3.8 especially)
[01:52] <fmasi> HymnToLife where can i find a compleat kubuntu rep
[01:53] <HymnToLife> fmasi> here's my sources.list : http://membres.lycos.fr/mafiaboy03/sources.list
[01:53] <HymnToLife> I have added a few things, the KDE and Amarok ones are in there
[01:53] <fmasi> ok thx very mutch
[01:54] <fmasi> to get superkaramba i will have to apt it right
[01:54] <HymnToLife> yes
[01:56] <treakath> what is fox linux??
[01:56] <HymnToLife> fox linux ??
[01:57] <treakath> yea what is it????
[01:57] <HymnToLife> I don't know
[01:57] <HymnToLife> never heard of it before
[01:58] <treakath> any1 else no what fox linux is
[01:59] <MoreFX> Hi
[01:59] <fmasi> never so it
[01:59] <treakath> http://www.foxlinux.org/
[02:00] <MoreFX> Seems like a simple question: how do i change the ssh port from 22 to a higher port?
[02:00] <fmasi> MoreFX in the sshd config file
[02:00] <MoreFX> I edited /etx/ssh/ssh_conf an added Port 20022
[02:00] <fmasi> you mean the server our the clent
[02:00] <MoreFX> server
[02:01] <fmasi> let me chek the path of the file
[02:01] <MoreFX> but i can not connect to localhost 20022
[02:01] <MoreFX> something seems to be "in the way"
[02:02] <neoncode-live> How do i tell if a Cd has burnt correctly?
[02:02] <fmasi> sory i just instaled the kubuntu so i dont have the server
[02:02] <fmasi> but it is sshd_config some thing like that
[02:02] <fmasi> MoreFX enny whay you nead to restart the server
[02:03] <MoreFX> i know - put as soon as i change the port from 22 to something else, ssh is dead
[02:03] <MoreFX> I did restart the server
[02:03] <fmasi> MoreFX let me chek the ftp server of a frend 2 minuts
[02:04] <MoreFX> ok
[02:04] <fmasi> his sshd is in port 8080
[02:07] <MoreFX> got it: I have to change the port in sshd_conf - not ssh_conf
[02:07] <MoreFX> obviously ;-)
[02:07] <MoreFX> sorry for bothering
[02:07] <fmasi> ok
[02:07] <fmasi> i was what i was thinking
[02:07] <fmasi> but neaded to chek it
[02:09] <dgunn> hey, just installed kubuntu, its really slick.
[02:09] <dgunn> how do I get my mpegs to work?
[02:09] <dgunn> I gather I must get the correct codecs, how do I determine what codecs are needed by certain mpegs?
[02:11] <fmasi> dgunn i remember to have instalas som win32 codecs but a long time ago
[02:33] <jjs01h> just upgraded to dapper and now the touchpad doesn't seem nearly sensitive enough
[02:34] <Hobbsee> jjs01h: see https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/28648
[02:35] <jjs01h> thanks. that seems to describe what is going on
[02:35] <steve___> I manually altered the kdm login screen (/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/etc) and the splash (/usr/share/apps/ksplash/themes/etc) and there is a screen in between those two that still has the old theme.  What is run between kdm and the splash?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> jjs01h: seems to be a common problem.  glad that there's a fix for us poor effected people!
[02:37] <Hobbsee> steve___: once you find the answer to that, please tell me!  :P
[02:37] <steve___> Hobbsee: will do
[02:37] <dumezil> anyone know a decent vcd to avi rip howto?
[02:38] <HymnToLife> It's like 5 seconds...
[02:38] <Hobbsee> in that case, why have a splash screen at all
[02:39] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, is there a way to login to the computer, automatically, then straight away, lock the screen?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> cos that'd be *really* cool
[02:47] <jjs01h> Hobbsee: thanks. problem resolved
[02:47] <Hobbsee> jjs01h: yay!
[02:52] <gleesond> I have no idea where to start for this question... I have a usb device that is used for puting digital audio on to my MD player... I can see the device when I lsusb but I don't know how to get the audio stream to go to the dicice
[02:52] <gleesond> s/dicice.device
[02:53] <cold> I have a problem
[02:53] <HymnToLife> !helpme
[02:53] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[02:54] <cold> ubuntu detects and finds a driver for my printer, but everytime i wish to print it doesn't react
[02:54] <HymnToLife> !printer
[02:54] <ubotu> rumour has it, printer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[02:54] <HymnToLife> try this
[02:54] <HymnToLife> I have very little experience with printing on linux
[02:57] <steve___> brb
[03:12] <steve___> Hobbsee: edit /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc
[03:12] <Hobbsee> steve___: ahhhh....ok, thanks!
[03:12] <steve___> np
[03:13] <gleesond> do I need drivers for my usb device or do I have to some howpoint my audio output twords it
[03:14] <steve___> gleesond: that's kinda engrish
[03:14] <steve___> gleesond: maybe try again
[03:15] <gleesond> hah
[03:15] <gleesond> I guess I don't even know where to start to solve this problem
[03:16] <gleesond> I'm googling and getting results that are not helpful
[03:18] <steve___> gleesond: plug it in and make sure it's got power and type 'sync' and see what that gets you
[03:19] <gleesond> I see it when I type 'lsusb' but nothing when 'sync'
[03:19] <steve___> sync should sync any usb devices
[03:19] <steve___> does it work now?
[03:20] <gleesond> nope
[03:24] <cerdg> I forgot who was helping me earlier, but I had screwed up my installation while trying to upgrade to dapper, and I wanted to tell whoever was helping me thank you
[03:24] <cerdg> I was able to retrieve all my files, and I just did a new install of 5.10
[03:24] <gleesond> steve___: I just restarted my computer now it seems to work
[03:25] <steve___> gleesond: nice
[03:25] <gleesond> nevermind
[03:25] <ArthurB> Hey, I have a bug with apt-build from dapper: "apt-build --install blah" (wrong syntax intended) produces a segfault, can someone reproduce ?
[03:25] <gleesond> there is light coming out of the optical end
[03:26] <gleesond> but it still not getting the audio
[03:30] <ArthurB> anyone ?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ArthurB: ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:31] <steve___> gleesond: do you can audo from "test sound" the sound system?
[03:32] <steve___> ArthurB: why are you 'apt-build'-ing something?
[03:32] <ArthurB> does it matter :)
[03:33] <steve___> ArthurB:  no, just making sure you aren't a n00b and mean to apt-get a binary
[03:33] <ArthurB> ok :)
[03:33] <steve___> s'all
[03:34] <ArthurB> actually trying to recompile libtunepimp from source
[03:35] <ArthurB> to enable mp3 support... maybe you have some pointers on that?
[03:35] <steve___> why compile?  why not just add the binary?
[03:35] <gleesond> steve___: I'm not sure
[03:36] <steve___> gleesond: look into that first
[03:36] <ArthurB> steve___: is there a binary package in the tree with mp3 enabled ?
[03:36] <steve___> gleesond: under control centre -> sound & multimedia
[03:37] <ArthurB> afaik the build is broken cause it was compiled without mp3 support. I heard of the possibility of having the mp3 enabled one in multiverse but it's not
[03:38] <steve___> ArthurB: idk what it does but i see libtunepimp-bin
[03:38] <gleesond> steve___: the device is not hearing the test
[03:39] <steve___> ArthurB: desciption
[03:39] <steve___> libtunepimp simple tagging applications
[03:39] <steve___> Libtunepimp simplifies tagging your audio files with the correct data about artist, album and track title using the MusicBrainz infrastrucure. It works on top of libmusicbrainz and libraries to read audio in mp3, flac, wav and ogg files.
[03:39] <steve___> This package contains is tp_tagger and trm, simple example tagger application.
[03:39] <steve___> gleesond: you're the device  :)
[03:40] <steve___> when you click on 'test sound'  do you hear a pretty test wav file play?
[03:40] <steve___> make sure you're speakers are on
[03:40] <gleesond> yeah
[03:40] <gleesond> on my normal speakers
[03:40] <steve___> i just want to test and make sure you can hear sound
[03:41] <steve___> gleesond: are you trying to play mp3s off a usb device?
[03:42] <gleesond> no I'm trying to record mini disks using a usb device that outputs optical audio
[03:46] <gleesond> before I rebooted there was no light comming out of the cord... but now there is so it seems like I'm making some head way
[03:52] <Random_Transit> hey, how do i edit my GRUB list
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Random_Transit: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:52] <Random_Transit> thanks
[04:02] <gleesond> I'm feeling like this is going to be really hard to get it to work.... there is no support for it on the companys page even for windows. but then again when I had windows it just worked and I didn;t have to mess with anything
[04:03] <gleesond> its not a popular divice so there is not much info about it on google either
[04:41] <ohnett> what is the best quake-style 3d user interface for gnu/linux?
[04:43] <JohnFlux> ohnett: http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/
[04:43] <ohnett> JohnFlux: thankyou
[04:46] <DuDReNoV> hello?
[04:47] <JohnFlux> DuDReNoV: hello
[04:48] <DuDReNoV> I'm a new kubuntu user and I have a question ... of cause
[04:49] <DuDReNoV> My mouse slows down a lot when I onmousedown and then drag to select
[04:49] <DuDReNoV> I was wondering if someone might have idea as of why this is happening
[04:58] <DuDReNoV> :(
[04:58] <DonkeyOfDarkness> hello
[04:59] <DonkeyOfDarkness> anyone here?
[05:02] <DuDReNoV> ?
[05:03] <DonkeyOfDarkness> yo
[05:03] <DonkeyOfDarkness> Anyone know if there's a kubuntu site similar to ubuntuguide.org?
[05:09] <conn> hi, if I retrieve a package from the repo as source, modify and compile, how do I create a .deb from it?
[05:11] <DonkeyOfDarkness> I would guess somehow
[05:12] <DonkeyOfDarkness> I've always wondered too
[05:22] <blrich> can somebody help? trying to get pygtk working. installed python-gtk2 (which put in python2.4.-gtk2) but when i go into python and 'import gtk' it complains and crashes out. something about trying to access X/xlib. installed python-xlib, problem still happens. anyone have any ideas?
[05:22] <blrich> i've searched the net, and can find nobody else with a similar problem, so it seems really weird
[05:22] <blrich> i don't see why pygtk shouldn't work - has it got something to do with me being on kubuntu? (w/ kde)
[05:23] <DonkeyOfDarkness> gtk should work file on kde
[05:23] <DonkeyOfDarkness> *fine
[05:23] <blrich> do you know why python-gtk2 isn't?
[05:24] <blrich> should i be importing pygtk, has it got some naming thing different on ubuntu?
[05:24] <DonkeyOfDarkness> no. It worked fine for me on ubuntu.
[05:24] <blrich> oh wait i was in super user...
[05:24] <blrich> it works now
[05:24] <blrich> *shoots self in head*
[05:24] <DonkeyOfDarkness> Don't remember
[05:24] <blrich> okay sorry to bother, thankyou for your help =)
[05:24] <DonkeyOfDarkness> lol
[05:25] <blrich> =P
[05:26] <mc_gusto> Anyone awake in here?
[05:27] <DonkeyOfDarkness> <--
[05:28] <DonkeyOfDarkness> moose pr0n!
[05:28] <mc_gusto> do what now?
[05:29] <DonkeyOfDarkness> lol
[05:29] <mc_gusto> anyone have any luck getting atitvout to work?
[05:29] <DonkeyOfDarkness> I'm bored
[05:29] <DonkeyOfDarkness> never tried it
[05:30] <DonkeyOfDarkness> I don't feel like paying for the cable
[05:30] <mc_gusto> heh
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[05:44] <Datsunzoso> hey guys
[05:44] <robotgeek> hey Datsunzoso
[05:47] <ohnett> is there any free software alternative to secondlife?
[05:47] <robotgeek> ohnett: is second life that game?
[05:47] <robotgeek> or world?
[05:47] <robotgeek> it was featured on Lugradio, i think. and they might have a linux client, i am not sure
[05:48] <Datsunzoso> do you guys know the app that gives you your system settings like cpu load, mem load, net data, etc? it displays it on the desktop, any ideas?
[05:49] <robotgeek> Datsunzoso: i think you are talking about superkaramba
[05:49] <Datsunzoso> im gonna look that up, thanks
[05:52] <Datsunzoso> whats the diff between superkaramba and just karamba
[05:53] <ohnett> robotgeek: yes, they do have a linux client, but it is not free sofware, it's just freeware
[05:53] <robotgeek> ohnett: i am not really sure then, sorry
[05:57] <robotgeek> Tm_T: ping
[06:22] <songo> how to put dhclient on startup
[06:22] <robotgeek> songo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:22] <songo> cable, not wireless
[06:23] <robotgeek> songo: sure, similiar instructions. just add "auto eth0" in there
[06:23] <songo> ok
[07:04] <fami> hi
[07:05] <fami> i want a mirror for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso
[07:25] <Xyvoth[a] > hello
[07:26] <robotgeek> hey Xyvoth[a] 
[07:27] <Xyvoth[a] > hello robotgeek
[07:27] <Xyvoth[a] > could you help me?
[09:12] <Steven_M> are there any Sylpheed Claws users in the room?
[09:16] <jlund> I'm getting an error every time I open a Konqueror file browsing window. I'm on AMD64 Dapper with all of the latest updates. The error window says: "Cannot find parent item file:///home in the tree. Internal error."
[09:16] <jlund> Anyone know how to correct this?
[09:20] <ohnett> where do i find compiz for ubuntu?
[09:20] <ohnett> (breezy)
[09:20] <fatejudger> you don't
[09:23] <m0ns00n> Hey
[09:23] <m0ns00n> I just can't seem to bood my /dev/sda1
[09:24] <m0ns00n> I'm thrown into a useless shell adter the boo process can't find /dev/sda1
[09:24] <m0ns00n> Is Ubuntu incompatible with SATA drives?
[09:25] <jlund> I'm getting an error every time I open a Konqueror file browsing window. I'm on AMD64 Dapper with all of the latest updates. The error window says: "Cannot find parent item file:///home in the tree. Internal error." Anyone know how to correct this?
[09:25] <jlund> m0ns00n - I am using a SATA hard drive. So the answer to that is no. What chipset is your motherboard?
[09:32] <m0ns00n> NForce4
[09:32] <jlund> That's the same one that I have
[09:32] <jlund> What is the setup? Is it the primary drive?
[09:33] <bobyfixer>  is there any opensource plastic surgeon before and after kind of thing application ?
[09:34] <jlund> bobyfixer - What do you mean?
[09:35] <bobyfixer> to preview the efectes of plastic surgerie
[09:35] <m0ns00n> jlund: It'd not the primary drive, as that's reserved for IDE
[09:35] <jlund> I haven't heard of any application that is capable of doing that.
[09:35] <m0ns00n> jlund: It'd not the primary drive, as that's reserved for ATA
[09:36] <m0ns00n> jlund: But it's 3rd master
[09:36] <m0ns00n> (1st SATA)
[09:36] <m0ns00n> MSI mainboard...
[09:36] <jlund> Ah, on my setup the HD is the 1st SATA and the primary drive.
[09:36] <jlund> ATA is for DVD-R
[09:37] <jlund> That sounds like a pretty obscure setup. Any particular reason why you are doing it that way?
[09:37] <m0ns00n> No
[09:38] <m0ns00n> Because I don't have the physical possability to make it the primary drive
[09:38] <jlund> I don't understand
[09:38] <m0ns00n> It's the 1st SATA
[09:38] <m0ns00n> But that's the 3rd Master in bios
[09:38] <m0ns00n> Anyway, I managed to boot it one of the first times
[09:38] <jlund> It sounds like some drive jumpers may be set incorrectly
[09:38] <m0ns00n> I dunno what I did, only upgraded the kernel
[09:39] <jlund> Oh, well then that is interesting
[09:39] <m0ns00n> So
[09:39] <m0ns00n> Neither 2.6.12-10 or 2.6.15-18 works (AMD64-generic)
[09:39] <jlund> So you had a fully functioning system and then you did a kernel upgrade and now it just goes to the shell?
[09:39] <m0ns00n> No
[09:39] <m0ns00n> Not fully functioning
[09:39] <m0ns00n> Ubuntu was crashing like mad on AMD64
[09:39] <m0ns00n> So I upgraded hoping it would solve my issues
[09:40] <jlund> Is this a new system?
[09:40] <m0ns00n> Yes
[09:40] <jlund> Have you tried any other operating systems (not Linux)
[09:40] <m0ns00n> Haha, opensuse can't even connect to the lan
[09:40] <m0ns00n> No, I don't have any other
[09:41] <m0ns00n> But I doubt it's the hw
[09:41] <jlund> This sounds like a hardware issue to me
[09:41] <m0ns00n> That's easy
[09:41] <m0ns00n> :-)
[09:41] <jlund> First of all I have no idea why your motherboard would be laying out your drives in that manner.
[09:41] <jlund> I've NEVER heard of ATA getting priority over SATA
[09:42] <m0ns00n> Oh?
[09:42] <m0ns00n> I only heard about that
[09:42] <m0ns00n> Our SATA pcs at work also has it like that
[09:42] <m0ns00n> In fact, we boot with a regular ATA disk, and then no problems
[09:42] <m0ns00n> I see this error all over google
[09:42] <jlund> Second of all I've been running Ubuntu AMD64 for almost 6 months now and I haven't had any crashes or stability problems whatsoever
[09:43] <m0ns00n>  /dev/sda1 doesn't exist
[09:43] <m0ns00n> It said there that the sata kernel module hasn't been loaded yet or something like that
[09:43] <m0ns00n> jlund: That's your unique experience. We had alot of trouble at work
[09:44] <m0ns00n> jlund: In fact, the dual core AMD64 is running on one core, as it gets random reboots if not
[09:44] <jlund> I'm not claiming it to be anything else
[09:44] <jlund> I'm just saying that hasn't been my experience at all
[09:44] <m0ns00n> Ok
[09:44] <m0ns00n> Anyhow, if you didn't have any problem to fix, the you probably don't know how to get around the problem that has risen
[09:44] <m0ns00n> This is a pretty wierd problem
[09:44] <m0ns00n> That it can't see my disk, when the rescue system logs into it just fine
[09:45] <m0ns00n> The kernel gets loaded, but the boot process doesn't start as it can't find /dev/sda1
[09:45] <jlund> I assume you've already seen this:
[09:45] <jlund> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/02/msg00409.html
[09:45] <MeTaM> how can i check my kde version
[09:45] <MeTaM> under cmdline
[09:45] <MeTaM> ?
[09:45] <jlund> Sounds like a udev issue
[09:46] <m0ns00n> jlund: gonna test it
[09:47] <Tm_T> robotgeek: pong
[09:47] <MeTaM> ?
[09:47] <MeTaM> nowhere any program that say me what kde version i have?
[09:47] <m0ns00n> jlund: This person has /dev/hda* that's different
[09:47] <jlund> MeTaM - trying to find a way. One moment.
[09:47] <robotgeek> Tm_T: does k3b require k3b-setup to be run?
[09:47] <MeTaM> okay
[09:47] <m0ns00n> MeTaM: Look in about
[09:48] <MeTaM> jlund: if you use konversation
[09:48] <Tm_T> robotgeek: no?
[09:48] <m0ns00n> MeTaM: In a kde app
[09:48] <MeTaM> it have a scripts folder somewhere
[09:48] <m0ns00n> MeTaM: says "Using KDE 3.x.x"
[09:48] <MeTaM> non kde app
[09:48] <MeTaM> i'm under cmdline
[09:48] <robotgeek> Tm_T: okay. i shall try to verify and stuff
[09:48] <MeTaM> so find out your konversation's
[09:48] <MeTaM> "kdeversion" script
[09:48] <Tm_T> MeTaM: any KDE app, like, konversation --version
[09:48] <m0ns00n> jlund: And exiting the shell doesn't go further
[09:48] <m0ns00n> jlund: Puts me back
[09:48] <Tm_T> robotgeek: ok
[09:48] <MeTaM> hoh yes.
[09:48] <MeTaM> thx:)
[09:49] <raveneye> you could also apt-cache show kdebase-bin
[09:49] <Tm_T> MeTaM: so basic stuff ;)
[09:49] <jlund> Strange. Have you tried reverting back the kernel that worked previously?
[09:49] <robotgeek> Tm_T: also please see if you can help with any of this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-March/005496.html
[09:49] <Tm_T> robotgeek: sure
[09:50] <Tm_T> robotgeek: about nvidia, correct
[09:51] <raveneye> wich brings me to some strange behaviour... apt-cache show foo spews all info three times... lol thats a new one..
[10:10] <bobyfixer> whats the best linuxdistro ?
[10:12] <Tm_T> I'd say Kubuntu
[10:12] <Tm_T> some other would say SuSE, or Gentoo, or...
[10:14] <bobyfixer> fedoras
[10:14] <bobyfixer> fedora
[10:19] <_mindspin> !avi
[10:19] <ubotu> well, avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:25] <ph8> my hof
[10:25] <ph8> * god
[10:25] <ph8> I have serious issues with fedora
[10:28] <oddie> hello all
[10:28] <robotgeek> hey oddie
[10:29] <oddie> I have an issue with partitions..... I changed some partitions in windows through partition magic and now i get an error when booting
[10:29] <oddie> booting in kubuntu
[10:29] <oddie> i need to run fcdk from command but i cant get to command
[10:30] <Epo^^> Hi
[10:30] <oddie> anyone there? robotgeek. can u help?
[10:30] <oddie> Hi Epo
[10:30] <Epo^^> I'm trying to make my Kubuntu support 1280x800 resolutions, but whenever I select it in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it doesn't show up in the GUI
[10:30] <robotgeek> oddie: you mean fsck?
[10:31] <Epo^^> Is it because my Nvidia card isn't installed?
[10:31] <oddie> yer that
[10:31] <robotgeek> Epo^^: try selecting it as the _only_ resolution
[10:31] <Epo^^> I tried a command, and it showed I owned a GF card, with an unknown model (But it's a GF 5600 Go)
[10:31] <oddie> its asking for 'Give root password for maintanence'
[10:31] <Epo^^> Hm ok robotgeek I'll try it now
[10:32] <oddie> give the password and it says 'Incorrect Login'
[10:32] <robotgeek> oddie: your user password?
[10:32] <robotgeek> you could also try blank, but i am not sure
[10:32] <oddie> yer well i dont have a root password...
[10:32] <oddie> blank doesn't work
[10:33] <robotgeek> oddie: maybe also ask in #ubuntu
[10:34] <Epo^^> Ok robotgeek , I want trhough the config again
[10:34] <Epo^^> Do I need to reboot now?
[10:34] <robotgeek> Epo^^: just need to kill X
[10:34] <Epo^^> By looking up the pid?
[10:34] <Epo^^> Ok, I have done that before
[10:35] <robotgeek> Epo^^: ctrl + alt + del, you will be disconnected instantly
[10:36] <_epo> Did I leave by doing that?
[10:36] <robotgeek> _epo: yes
[10:36] <_epo> No robotgeek , It didn't make it available for option, although my monitor (laptop lcd) is 85Hz now, and not 60 like before
[10:37] <robotgeek> _epo: look in /var/logs/Xorg.0.log or something, it will tell you
[10:37] <_epo> I found an Nvidia install guide I'm willing to follow, but it says I need to go to "system" 'on top of the screen', but it isn't there
[10:37] <_epo> I need to look for "Synaptic" something
[10:37] <_epo> Ok robotgeek , I'll look into it
[10:37] <robotgeek> _epo: thoise guides are probably for gnome
[10:38] <_epo> It was on kubuntu.com and not on ubuntu
[10:38] <_epo> Hm, how do I install it then?
[10:38] <_epo> I think it might work if I install the video driver myself
[10:38] <robotgeek> _epo: yes, use adept
[10:38] <_epo> "apt-get" ?
[10:39] <robotgeek> that works too :)
[10:39] <_epo> But that's not for me probably ;)
[10:39] <_epo> I just found Adept in the program list
[10:39] <robotgeek> -> bed
[10:39] <_epo> I found the log, how can I show you?
[10:39] <oddie> no one knows......
[10:41] <robotgeek> _epo: i am very sleepy, i am going to bed. sorry
[10:41] <_epo> No problem, sleep tight
[10:41] <_epo> Anyway, here is my log : http://pastebin.com/595956
[10:51] <_epo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia > I'm following this but it's for Gnome (I suppose) and I'm a first time user
[10:59] <epo> Right, the nvidia install guide did the job (I used Adept in a similar way), and now I have widescreen!
[11:06] <hara__> argh! glxgears and fgl_glxgears work, but enemyterritory, quake3 refuse to work beyond the introscreens. HELP!!
[11:07] <hara__> oh, using latest 8.23 drivers
[11:10] <ohnett> any idea when the new flight cd (for dapper) is supposed to be released?
[11:11] <raveneye> downloading the flight 5 as we type
[11:11] <raveneye> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-5/
[11:13] <raveneye> I assume that is the latest one since they still mention the flight 4 on the homepage
[11:13] <ohnett> raveneye: could you please give me an url to the flight 5 dapper cd?
[11:13] <raveneye> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-5/
[11:13] <ohnett> raveneye: thank you
[11:14] <raveneye> hey np
[11:15] <raveneye> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-5/ (Ubuntu)
[11:15] <raveneye> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/ (Kubuntu)
[11:15] <raveneye> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/ (Edubuntu)
[11:15] <raveneye> just to serve all flavours
[11:16] <jpatrick> yum
[11:17] <raveneye> there you go
[11:17] <jpatrick> kubuntu one does not exist
[11:18] <raveneye> hmmm i had some trouble getting the links to work got a few 404s but the persistent always get on top...
[11:21] <raveneye> it would be nice though if (k/ed)ubuntu would adopt the netinstall concept.... 600+ MB downloads.... shivvvvver.
[11:25] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:31] <Psi-Jack> !spca
[11:31] <ubotu> Psi-Jack: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:32] <jpatrick> hello Psi-Jack
[11:32] <Psi-Jack> Hey hey.
[11:32] <hara__> argh! even planetpenguinracer works but not quake3 nor enemyterritory. HELP!!
[11:32] <Psi-Jack> Isn't there some spca50x driver for ubuntu?
[11:33] <jpatrick> Not that i know of
[11:33] <hara__> Psi-Jack: get it from here http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html
[11:33] <hara__> install manually
[11:33] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh. kk
[11:33] <hara__> the kernel builtin never worked for me, always freezed my system
[11:37] <hara__> fookit. what gives, every opengl app work but not enemyt or quake3
[11:40] <raveneye> 01:27:04 to go :.(
[11:40] <ohnett> is the dapper live cd also installable?
[11:41] <raveneye> dunno i am pretty new to (k/ed)ubuntu
[11:43] <raveneye> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDInstallHowTo?highlight=%28cd%29%7C%28live%29 adresses the topic about installing from livecd's
[12:00] <udeis> hi - two hours ago i install my first linux distro (kubuntu) and i have a little problem with network interfaces configuration - i need a little help :)
[12:01] <_mindspin> tell it
[12:02] <udeis> my default connection (via dhcp) is located on eth1 - how to configure eth0 with static address - i try but after network reload i receive only eth0 address like default and eth1 is stopped
[12:04] <udeis> i wrote something like this for eth0
[12:04] <udeis> iface eth0 inet static
[12:04] <udeis> address 192.168.10.1
[12:04] <udeis> netmask 255.255.255.0
[12:04] <udeis> gateway 192.168.10.1
[12:04] <udeis> auto eth0
[12:05] <udeis> what i'm doing wrong ?
[12:05] <dark_suic> u have an auto eth1 line?
[12:05] <udeis> yes
[12:05] <dark_suic> weird...
[12:05] <udeis> i know :)
[12:05] <dark_suic> try sudo dhclient eth1
[12:05] <_mindspin> where did you write it down ? on console?
[12:06] <udeis> _mindspin: after ip a i receive no address on eth1 and my network connection was broken
[12:06] <_mindspin> where?
[12:06] <udeis> console
[12:07] <_mindspin> you are sure with the gateway address?
[12:07] <djclue917> udeis: you're not supposed to write that in the console
[12:07] <_mindspin> shouldn't it be eth1
[12:08] <udeis> _mindspin: i'm not - i'd like to prepare network sharing connection on eth0 via cross cable to the other machine
[12:08] <djclue917> udeis: the network config is located at /etc/network/interfaces
[12:08] <_mindspin> ict
[12:08] <udeis> djclue917: yes i know
[12:08] <djclue917> udeis: then what exactly is your problem?
[12:09] <_mindspin> edit /etc/network/interfaces to your needs
[12:09] <udeis> ok - i'm editing /etc/network/interfaces - now i have there line iface eth1 inet dhcp
[12:10] <udeis> i wrote iface eth0 inet static [etc] 
[12:10] <udeis> after /etc/init.d/networking restart i have only eth0 connection
[12:11] <djclue917> udeis: what exactly is your DHCP server? is it a router?
[12:11] <udeis> djclue917: cable modem
[12:11] <djclue917> udeis: that is a cable modem/router
[12:12] <djclue917> udeis: check your modem/router config
[12:12] <udeis> djclue917: i think it is - but i take it from my ISP and i have no access to this
[12:13] <udeis> i can't reconfigure it
[12:13] <djclue917> udeis: if you don't know the admin password, you could just restart the cable modem/router then it should work fine again
[12:13] <udeis> djclue917: ok - i try - see you later :)
[12:22] <epo> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MountingWindowsPartitions?highlight=%28mount%29 > I followed this guide, but nothing really happened
[12:23] <udeis> thank's a lot for everyone :) ifup eth1 helps me :) after system rebooting two interfaces eth0&1 working fine :)
[12:23] <epo> I used "winc" as a name, since I want to access the NTFS C:/ drive of before
[12:28] <casandro> Uhm, how can I configure xorg "manually" when it fails during installation? I cannot find xorgcfg or anything.
[12:28] <Hobbsee> epo: can you paste the corresponding line of /etc/fstab?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> !tell casandro about xcfg
[12:29] <epo> Hm Hobbsee I think I found it
[12:29] <epo> If I go to "/media" in Konq I can see it, the c:/ as a folder winc
[12:30] <epo> But in media:/ there is nothing, only hda4 (my ext3), cdrom etc
[12:30] <margouyab> hello, how can i read a cd that i can't mounted like usual
[12:31] <margouyab> that cd is a single of natasha st pier with two song and a movie clip
[12:31] <epo> By the way, I have this MP3 on my NTFS drive I just was able to access, I have Amarok and Jug installed, but none of them gives me sound
[12:32] <epo> Do I have to do something else so it plays mp3?
[12:32] <casandro> Ohh bot-based support, cool.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> epo: yeah, that's a known bug
[12:33] <Hobbsee> it seems fixed in dapper
[12:33] <Hobbsee> to the media:/
[12:35] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[12:35] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[12:35] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:35] <epo> Ok thanks Hobbsee
[12:35] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[12:35] <Psi-Jack> Looks like spca5xx needs to be compiled with a specific version of gcc..
[12:35] <epo> Can I use Winamp too, btw?
[12:35] <epo> I'm very fond of Winamp :)
[12:35] <Hobbsee> got no idea - perhaps under wine
[12:35] <Hobbsee> but try xmms
[12:35] <Hobbsee> it's very very similar to winamp
[12:35] <epo> So no Jug or Amarok?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> you can use jug or amarok
[12:36] <Hobbsee> see !mp3 for how to get mp3 playback
[12:36] <Psi-Jack> what version of gcc is the linux kernel compiled with?
[12:37] <Psi-Jack> From 5.10?
[12:37] <Epo> Hm, it says : Please confirm your Soundcard is correctly installed
[12:37] <Epo> Come to think of it, I didn't hear a sound yet
[12:37] <Epo> But that was because mute was on
[12:38] <Epo> "alsamixer" seems to work tho
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: 4.0, IIRC
[12:39] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm
[12:39] <jpatrick> Ahh
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Epo: check in system settings that the kde sound isnt muted
[12:39] <Epo> Hm
[12:40] <Epo> The test sound button does not work
[12:40] <Epo> But alsmixer displays some bars that are at 0
[12:40] <D[a] > douglas@homeserver: sudo apt-get install gcc
[12:40] <D[a] > and i get..
[12:40] <Epo> Can I set it all to max?
[12:40] <D[a] > unable to look up homeserver by using gethostname()
[12:40] <D[a] > or something like that.
[12:44] <Epo> reboot
[12:44] <D[a] > Anyone
[12:44] <D[a] > ?
[12:45] <jpatrick> D[a] : did you change your hostname?
[12:45] <D[a] > did i do what?
[12:45] <D[a] > o-o
[12:45] <usercamp5> ve_17
[12:45] <D[a] > I didn't do that, no (sudo su - doesnt work either)
[12:46] <D[a] > I'm brand new to this n dont know crap.
[12:46] <udeis> ok :) NAT&Masquarade is working :) kubuntu is realy fine distribution :)
[12:47] <usercamp5> #kubuntu
[12:48] <udeis> 2 hours working and i have full working system :)
[12:48] <D[a] > good
[12:48] <D[a] > i just need help setting my hostname or WHATEVER.
[12:48] <D[a] > q
[12:48] <D[a] > q
[12:48] <D[a] > ER
[12:49] <D[a] > q:
[12:49] <jpatrick> D[a] : somethings horriblly wrong I can tell you that
[12:49] <madbull> hi, I'm having a problem playing cds, I can play mp3s playing cds, i can see that xmms, or kcd etc. are playing them but i hear no sound
[12:49] <jpatrick> !mp3
[12:49] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[12:49] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:49] <madbull> i suspect another program is holding the soundcard
[12:49] <madbull> anyone have any ideas for me?
[12:50] <D[a] > jpatrick
[12:50] <D[a] > A reformat sounds good, I won't change system name.
[12:50] <D[a] > :\
[12:50] <jpatrick> D[a] : do you have a live cd?
[12:52] <jpatrick> oh dear...
[12:53] <Olegs> hi
[12:53] <Olegs> anyone got ATI 7500 DRI support ?
[12:53] <jpatrick> !ati
[12:53] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[01:01] <D[a] > jpatrick
[01:01] <D[a] > no
[01:01] <jpatrick> ah okay
[01:02] <jpatrick> if you did fixing would be easy
[01:02] <jpatrick> yo nlindblad
[01:02] <D[a] > lol
[01:02] <D[a] > nah
[01:02] <D[a] > gonna dual boot
[01:02] <D[a] > 1/2 HDD with kubuntu, 1/2 with winblows.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that sounds familar
[01:04] <Hobbsee> only my windows keeps getting smaller, and booting less often, to do less things
[01:05] <jpatrick> I just formatted Windows when I got my first Kubuntu CD
[01:06] <D[a] > Hobbsee
[01:06] <D[a] > when i get my wireless working on kubuntu
[01:06] <D[a] > windows == GONE.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> yay!
[01:07] <Olegs> thanks jpatrick
[01:07] <jpatrick> Olegs: no problem
[01:10] <Olegs> jpatrick: it's all good but no support for 7500
[01:11] <D[a] > my prob was
[01:11] <jpatrick> hmm sorry don't have ati :(
[01:11] <D[a] > it was looking at channel two
[01:11] <D[a] > on my old install
[01:11] <D[a] > but im on 6 or 11.
[01:17] <D[a] > :\
[01:19] <_andrea> Buon giorno a tutti
[01:19] <_andrea> ho appena installato kde
[01:20] <_andrea> prima domanda probabilmente banalissima...
[01:20] <_andrea> Dove trovo Synaptic ?!?
[01:20] <Tm_T> jpatrick: see?!
[01:20] <_andrea> su kde intendo, dove lo trovo?
[01:20] <Tm_T> _andrea: ehm!
[01:20] <Tm_T> !it
[01:20] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:20] <jpatrick> !it
[01:20] <_andrea> opssss, pensavo di essere nel canale italiano, SORRY
[01:22] <Tm_T> I keep wondering how the hell they can assume that they can use italian everywhere
[01:22] <DevGet> what do scim do on my KDE system?
[01:22] <Tm_T> "chiao a tutti!" ;(
[01:29] <blueskiesokie> hello
[01:29] <jpatrick> afternoon
[01:30] <Tm_T> chiao a tutti!
[01:30] <Tm_T> hobla hobla
[01:30] <blueskiesokie> i just installed Kubuntu (dapper) it never created a user during installation . i got around that by using cd and setting password for root, then adding user
[01:31] <blueskiesokie> but how do i set the administrator password ?
[01:32] <jpatrick> sudo
[01:35] <raveneye> sudo passwd root
[01:36] <blueskiesokie> i have root password set .. the administrator password is set when first install user is created and same password according to faq
[01:36] <blueskiesokie> root password does not work to use administrator
[01:41] <blueskiesokie> figured it out ... got to use visudo and add user
[02:26] <bekirreis> hi
[02:26] <kgoetz> hi
[02:26] <jpatrick> hi
[02:28] <stuffor> Hallo zusammen! Ich habe ein Problem.
[02:28] <jpatrick> !de
[02:28] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[02:28] <Tm_T> stuffor: yes you do have a problem, linguistic one
[02:29] <wimpies> I get no cd audio sound from my cd player on my laptop.
[02:29] <Tm_T> ;-P
[02:29] <kgoetz> Tm_T: now now
[02:29] <wimpies> It seems that I should enable the digital way of doing it
[02:29] <Tm_T> kgoetz: no mit
[02:29] <kgoetz> ??
[02:29] <Tm_T> kgoetz: exactly
[02:29] <wimpies> but my IEC958 is enabled
[02:29] <wimpies> Can anybody help with this ?
[02:29] <kgoetz> Tm_T: right...
[02:30] <Tm_T> kgoetz: my point is, people should not expect others to understand their language, so starting with english should be _default_
[02:31] <kgoetz> Tm_T: the asumption taht the language here is english is no better then that it is german or chinese
[02:31] <kgoetz> it is the default channel after install after all
[02:31] <Tm_T> true
[02:31] <Tm_T> but also I disagree ;)
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[02:32] <Tm_T> maybe I'm just too old ;)
[02:32] <Tm_T> kgoetz: you know, even the topic is in english...
 who reads teh topic :P
[02:33] <Tm_T> kgoetz: what topic?
[02:34] <kgoetz> i have been told about topics on irc channels... never bothered to check myself ;)
[02:35] <Tm_T> kgoetz: someone said it's good with syrup
[02:35] <kgoetz> ah, that explains it
[02:37] <Tm_T> oh well, time to play with celestia ->
[02:37] <kgoetz> 2:)
[02:38] <Tm_T> oh my, loads over 6
[02:50] <pulver> hey! whats the command to see how much im uploading/downloading atm?
[02:54] <pulver> ssssch dont wake the sleeping bears
[03:12] <[1] darkmatter> hi
[03:13] <Mike1278537> hey all
[03:13] <[1] darkmatter> I have a problem, I hope someon can help...seems I'm no longer able to boot into kubuntu...during the boot process, it stops at "Checking battery state"
[03:13] <pulver> hi
[03:13] <[1] darkmatter> I can still login as root when I choose recovery mode though
[03:13] <[1] darkmatter> any ideas?
[03:14] <Mike1278537> can anyone help me set up wireless in kubuntu?
[03:14] <Mike1278537> the system does not detect my wireless connection
[03:15] <jpatrick> Mike1278537: what card do you have?
[03:15] <m0ns00n> Hey any other people here have problem with the latest AMD64 NVidia drivers?
[03:15] <m0ns00n> I can't use RenderAccel with them and 3D looks wierd (the colors are messed up)
[03:15] <Mike1278537> i dont have a wireless card, i have wireless b and g built into my laptop
[03:18] <noteventime> 'ello
[03:20] <JohnFlux> !wireless
[03:20] <ubotu> from memory, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[03:20] <JohnFlux> Mike1278537: ^^
[03:20] <edulix> hello world!
[03:20] <JohnFlux> edulix: the world is busy.  May I take a message?
[03:20] <bobyfixer> lol
[03:20] <edulix> hehe
[03:20] <edulix> can I configure an ip as a host alias in /etc/hosts ?
[03:20] <bobyfixer> Great funn
[03:21] <bobyfixer> why do you wanna do that for edulix  ?
[03:21] <Mike1278537> chers, i'll check that out
[03:22] <bobyfixer> i got my granny to use linux
[03:22] <jpatrick> bobyfixer: cool
[03:22] <bobyfixer> she loves programing
[03:22] <edulix> bobyfixer: because I have a laptop as a webserver,
[03:23] <edulix> bobyfixer: and sometimes it changes the ip, and stuff like that :P
[03:23] <bobyfixer> its the only thing she loves better than knitting
[03:23] <edulix> I want 192.168.2.4 to be an alias to my machine
[03:24] <Skrot> Hi. How can I tell apt to not get new versions of kernel-*?
[03:24] <edulix> maybe there is a more appropiate irc channel to answer, maybe #linux?
[03:33] <edulix> I achieved, a guy from ##linux told me about ethernet aliasing
[03:33] <edulix> I just had to execute two commands: /sbin/ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.2.4 && /sbin/route add -host 192.168.2.4 dev eth0:0
[03:49] <arialis111> j want repository to kftp have somebody?
[03:55] <sebastian> anyone knows any good groupware project with outlook connectivity?
[04:10] <Gentix> anyone using dapper here?
[04:12] <Tm_T> some yes
[04:12] <Tm_T> atleast I hope so
[04:12] <uniq>  I do.
[04:13] <Gentix> what do you advice?
[04:13] <Gentix> stay with breezy or go to dapper?
[04:13] <Tm_T> I'd advice to wear socks
[04:13] <Gentix> :)
[04:13] <uniq> stay with breezy till dapper is released :)
[04:13] <Tm_T> Gentix: it depends what you're looking for
[04:13] <Gentix> already doing so
[04:14] <Gentix> a better performing gstreamer?
[04:14] <Tm_T> Gentix: if you know how to fix is something breaks, then dapper
[04:14] <Tm_T> s/is/if/
[04:15] <Tm_T> I find dapper very stable, but no guarantee that happens to everyone ;)
[04:15] <Gentix> hrmm
[04:16] <Gentix> are there any docs on easy upgrading to dapper?
[04:18] <uniq> replace breezy with dapper in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <uniq> apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade.
[04:27] <tinta> hello !
[04:27] <jpatrick> tinta: hi
[04:40] <ubuntu> hi
[04:40] <ubuntu> kubuntu is gr8
[04:43] <Blippe> where is that exellent(?) page whit all the knowledge of ubotu?
[04:43] <Blippe> excellent...
[04:52] <Itsme> hello
[04:52] <Itsme> does anyone know of an instruction to install xgl and compiz on kubuntu?
[04:53] <robotgeek> !xgl
[04:53] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[04:54] <Itsme> this seems to be for gnome not kde
[04:55] <slow-motion> what is xgl?
[04:55] <robotgeek> Itsme: well, you want eye candy, you gotta work for it
[04:55] <HymnToLife> GNOME apps work fine on KDE (and vice versa)
[04:57] <Ardarandir> Moin
[05:00] <porrly> lo
[05:00] <porrly> I wonder if anyone can help with an issue I have
[05:00] <Nirvana> issue is?
[05:01] <jpatrick> hi Nirvana
[05:01] <porrly> I had 1.25 GB of ram in my machine, I think that a 256 Meg stick was causing my system to be unstable, so I removed it
[05:01] <Nirvana> yellow jpatrick :D
[05:01] <porrly> when I next booted kubuntu it went in to recover mode
[05:02] <porrly> ie, it asked immediately for root password
[05:02] <porrly> it thinks that some of my ram is corrupted now (probably as it is missing)
[05:03] <porrly> I don't know hopw to get it to boot normally
[05:12] <Nirvana> porrly: try safemode (sorry, I was eating breakfast)
[05:13] <porrly> breakfast??? where are you?
[05:14] <porrly> do you mean recovery mode?
[05:15] <porrly> it looks like a program called kdm_greet is complaining about memory corruption, but I assume that is just down to it expecting 256MB more to be there than is there now
[05:20] <Nirvana> maybe dpkg-reconfigure?
[05:20] <porrly> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[05:20] <Nirvana> no
[05:20] <Nirvana> dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:20] <porrly> just dpkg-reconfigure?
[05:22] <HymnToLife> with sudo
[05:23] <porrly> I'm currently running in recovery mode, (root user) and have used startx to get into kde
[05:23] <Nirvana> is it in?
[05:23] <Nirvana> no errors?
[05:23] <porrly> it isn't working 100% correctly
[05:24] <porrly> complains about DCOP when I try to run some programs from the kde menu
[05:24] <morzel> hi
[05:24] <porrly> hi
[05:25] <morzel> Ubuntu Penguin Liberation Front repository - do you know, why apt couldn't find packages from there?
[05:26] <Nirvana> morzel: the deb line must be in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:26] <morzel> hmmm
[05:26] <morzel> i look after that
[05:26] <Nirvana> one sec...
[05:26] <Nirvana> morzel: open konsole, type sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:26] <morzel> Ubuntu Penguin Liberation Front repository
[05:27] <morzel> # Ubuntu Penguin Liberation Front repository.
[05:27] <morzel> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[05:27] <morzel> deb-src http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[05:27] <Nirvana> now "sudo apt-get update"
[05:27] <morzel> i had
[05:27] <morzel> and don't works
[05:28] <Nirvana> what are you trying to do?
[05:28] <Nirvana> if you want codecs... type in sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:28] <porrly> Nirvana: does kdm store the amount of ram it expets to see in the system somewhere?
[05:29] <morzel> i tried that
[05:29] <morzel> can i paste lot of lines?
[05:29] <morzel> hmmm.
[05:29] <morzel> it's not english
[05:29] <Nirvana> morzel: paste your sources.list on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:29] <morzel> i won't paste
[05:30] <Nirvana> porrly: open konsole
[05:30] <morzel> k
[05:30] <Nirvana> porrly: type in "cd /home/<PUT YOUR USERNAME HERE>"
[05:31] <Nirvana> porrly: now, sudo cp .kde kdebackup
[05:31] <Nirvana> porrly: and sudo rm .kde (this deletes all KDE settings)
[05:31] <noteventime> arghh... i did chmod a=rwx /* -R -v but i meant to do chmod a=rwx ./* -R -v
[05:31] <porrly> I can't open konsole, so I'll get allthe info I'll need from you now and then try it after I exit kde
[05:32] <jpatrick> Nirvana: you can cd to /home just by typing "cd"
[05:32] <noteventime> Now I'm kinda unable to do anything
[05:32] <jpatrick> and no need for >sudo< rm .kde
[05:32] <porrly> If I follow everything you have just done up there ^ will it try to boot properly for me?
[05:33] <porrly> jpatrick: I do need to use /home/<username> as I can't log in as that user at the moment
[05:33] <morzel> Nirvana: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/596409
[05:35] <Nirvana> jpatrick: I know lol... I just figured that out :D
[05:36] <noteventime> Is there anything I can do?
[05:36] <porrly> ok, thanks Nirvana. I'm gonna give it a whirl and see if it works.
[05:36] <porrly> bye
[05:36] <morzel> do you have an idea?
[05:36] <Nirvana> morzel: open konsole, type in "sudo apt-get w32codecs > error.txt" Type in "cat error.txt", and paste the output on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:37] <Nirvana> your sources.list is OK
[05:37] <morzel> k
[05:38] <morzel> i have send
[05:38] <morzel> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/596420
[05:39] <noteventime> PLEASE :'(
[05:40] <noteventime> I cant su, I cant sudo
[05:40] <Nirvana> noteventime: start Kubuntu in failsafe, and do the opposite of the command you did
[05:40] <Nirvana> morzel: what language is that?
[05:40] <morzel> hungarian
[05:41] <noteventime> Nirvana: Ok,
[05:41] <morzel> morzel@MobileRoncs:~$ apt-cache show w32codecs
[05:41] <morzel> morzel@MobileRoncs:~$
[05:41] <morzel> [17:29]  <morzel> hmmm.
[05:41] <morzel> [17:29]  <morzel> it's not english
[05:41] <morzel> [17:29]  <morzel> i won't paste
[05:42] <Nirvana> lol... I thought in Hungary, they spoke French :P I used to have a Hungarian neighbour
[05:43] <Nirvana> Alright, it's saying it cannot find the package, but it is referenced from another package.
[05:43] <Nirvana> correct?
[05:44] <morzel> hmm
[05:44] <morzel> yes
[05:44] <morzel> correct
[05:45] <Nirvana> morzel: type in "wget http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/i386/non-free/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-1plf4_i386.deb; sudo dpkg -i w32codecs*.deb"
[05:47] <morzel> wget works
[05:47] <morzel> but it don't solve my problem
[05:48] <Nirvana> what about sudo dpkg -i w32codecs*.deb
[05:48] <Nirvana> ?
[05:48] <morzel> i must to wait
[05:48] <morzel> it's downloading with 70k
[05:50] <morzel> it works
[05:50] <morzel> i could install it
[05:50] <Nirvana> it installed w32codecs?
[05:51] <morzel> yes
[05:51] <morzel> but why apt-get don't works
[05:51] <morzel> ?
[05:52] <HymnToLife> what's the error ?
[05:52] <gonzalo> hola hay alguien?
[05:53] <HymnToLife> !es
[05:53] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:53] <morzel> HymnToLife: check the log
[05:57] <Nirvana> morzel: try apt-get clean
[05:57] <Nirvana> or try opening adept to see if it is there
[05:57] <morzel> and what it doing
[05:57] <morzel> ?
[05:59] <morzel> morzel@MobileRoncs:~$ sudo apt-get clean
[05:59] <morzel> morzel@MobileRoncs:~$
[06:00] <grajkoo> how to restore stopped  process? ;)
[06:02] <Nirvana> morzel: it removes apt archive cache
[06:02] <morzel> k
[06:05] <noteventime> I didn't work :(
[06:05] <noteventime> I'm not even ure what the opposite is
[06:08] <NRG88> hi, i have an amd athlon xp 1700+, what kind of kernel should I download for it? for the k7 family or i686?
[06:08] <m1sh-L> i386
[06:11] <NRG88> but i686 is supported, why use i368?
[06:11] <morzel> k. i finish it
[06:11] <morzel> Nirvana thanks for help
[06:11] <morzel> i will download what i need
[06:11] <morzel> and remove this from sources.list
[06:17] <Nirvana> NRG88: open kcontrol: in the start, it will tell you what kernel your computer should use
[06:17] <Nirvana> I think ^
[06:18] <jpatrick> uname -a
[06:18] <NRG88> i686
[06:18] <NRG88> and i have a kernel header i386 :?
[06:18] <Nirvana> mine says i686, and I have an i386 kernel... but if you want to change kernels because of performance... I'll tell you there's not much difference, save to checking with a benchmark program
[06:18] <NRG88> i think i should upgrade :)
[06:20] <Nirvana> anyone know why my usb mouse doesn't work all of a sudden? it's connected, and it's lightened up... but it won't respond when I move it
[06:20] <Nirvana> I have to use the touchpad :(
[06:20] <Nirvana> and that mouse is the best ever
[06:22] <jpatrick> module 'pmouse' on? (lsmod)
[06:26] <Nirvana> no... I think.. I look in ksysguard right?
[06:27] <Nirvana> the ctrl + escape thing?
[06:29] <Nirvana> how would I start it if it isn't on? is it in /etc/rc?/ ?
[06:51] <bkjones> hi all
[06:52] <bkjones> quick question: can I upgrade to dapper flight 5 (from breezy) by just updating the sources in synaptic?
[06:52] <Tm_T> yes
[06:52] <Tm_T> !upgrade
[06:52] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
[06:52] <bkjones> nice. Thanks.
[06:53] <bkjones> Tm_T: that second link breaks because the period is included
[06:53] <bkjones> fyi
[06:54] <Tm_T> bkjones: heh
[06:59] <bkjones> ok, well, that broke. :(
[07:03] <_jd> What is the repository I need for 3.5.1?
[07:11] <_ubuntu> hey all
[07:12] <otacon2> _ubuntu: hey you
[07:12] <bkjones> hi
[07:12] <_ubuntu> New from windoze. what do I type in konsol to get an bittorrent client?
[07:12] <_ubuntu> otacon2:)
[07:12] <bkjones> don't type anything
[07:12] <bkjones> just get it from the Application menus
[07:12] <_ubuntu> ;(
[07:12] <_ubuntu> Plz specify?
[07:13] <bkjones> click on the "K" on the bottom left of the screen
[07:13] <bkjones> go to "Internet".
[07:13] <_ubuntu> yes
[07:13] <bkjones> There's a bittorrent client in there.
[07:14] <bkjones> all the way at the top of the list, iirc.
[07:14] <_ubuntu> Some error came when installing, so this is only live. Could that be the reason that there isnt a client?
[07:14] <bkjones> yep.
[07:14] <_ubuntu> Okay. :)
[07:14] <bkjones> what error did you get?
[07:15] <_ubuntu> Well, not an error. But the system hang when installing a boot client (the standard one, but cant remember the name)
[07:15] <bkjones> if you're using live, there's really no place to put bittorrent files, because the livecd won't write to the hard drive.
[07:15] <bkjones> grub is the standard bootloader :)
[07:15] <_ubuntu> bkjones: I thought it could do that like knoppix. Write to HD I mean
[07:16] <bkjones> wow. I've seen lots of bootloader issues, but not a hang.
[07:16] <_ubuntu> Yeah grub. It hang when installing that. Never came beyond 0%
[07:16] <_ubuntu> Btw, pardon my english. Its not my native tounge
[07:16] <bkjones> _ubuntu: maybe I'm mistaken, but if it writes to a hard drive that already has another OS on it, that'll cause some weird issues when you boot that os again :)
[07:17] <TeRaHuRtZ> Well thats obvious...
[07:17] <otacon2> _ubuntu: mm maybe you could try : sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[07:17] <bkjones> eek. Someone smarter than me will probably have an answer for that.
[07:17] <_ubuntu> Ohh! Thats okay. Im not going back to windows, at any price
[07:17] <_ubuntu> Hehe,
[07:17] <TeRaHuRtZ> But isn't he saying the grub won't install at all?
[07:18] <_ubuntu> Your help is appreciated anyway. And I'll just have to keep trying.. ;)
[07:18] <bkjones> yes, he is. There were two topics in that thread, terahurtz :)
[07:18] <_ubuntu> TeRaHuRtZ: I am, yes
[07:18] <TeRaHuRtZ> _ubuntu did you have a seperate distro installed before hand?
[07:18] <bkjones> one topic was about the livecd, the other was that he was using livecd because grub install hung when he tried to install ubuntu to the hd.
[07:19] <_ubuntu> But it only happende once, so maybe it was just a flaw.. Old comp this is (yoda)
[07:19] <TeRaHuRtZ> answer my question above... ^^
[07:19] <bkjones> what's the machine set up to boot to if you don't boot to the livecd, _ubuntu?
[07:19] <_ubuntu> I had an installation of xp. But when prompted i deleted it all, and choose auto
[07:20] <TeRaHuRtZ> Hmm, does the livecd install also? Sorry I'm not that familiar with ubuntu, I use slack
[07:20] <bkjones> well, then there should be some way of getting that bootloader installed.
[07:20] <bkjones> lol
[07:21] <TeRaHuRtZ> bkjones, i just installed kubuntu dapper for shats and giggles on my laptop
[07:21] <_ubuntu> Its a dvd.. Ad if u press enter, it loads the live version. But if u type install and then enter it installs.. Hehe. obviusly..
[07:21] <TeRaHuRtZ> A dvd? god damn... must be total bloatware
[07:22] <TeRaHuRtZ> Alright wll I have an idea on the problem
[07:22] <TeRaHuRtZ> Do you have a floppy drive?
[07:22] <bkjones> terahurtz: don't bash people just because they don't want to load their distro from 14 floppies and read the carved-out-of-stone manual that was last updated in 1996.
[07:22] <bkjones> ;-P
[07:22] <TeRaHuRtZ> bkjones, i used the CD
[07:22] <TeRaHuRtZ> heh
[07:22] <bkjones> CD!?!?!!?!
[07:23] <TeRaHuRtZ> For kubuntu
[07:23] <bkjones> BLOAT!
[07:23] <TeRaHuRtZ> haha
[07:23] <_ubuntu> Well, dont worry about it! I'm sure I'll have better luck next time. Btw, a guy told me u could judge a person what OS he used. People using GNU/linux is much more friendly. I am convinced
[07:23] <TeRaHuRtZ> answer my question _ubuntu
[07:23] <bkjones> well, that's because we're less frustrated with our OS choice.
[07:23] <bkjones> If I had to use 'doze all day, I doubt I'd be friendly.
[07:24] <_ubuntu> I have floppy yes.. But its no problem. And with the dvd I still get to choose what I want. So not bloated TeRaHuRtZ  :)
[07:24] <TeRaHuRtZ> _ubuntu, well if you didn't have a floppy that could be the problem, but anyways
[07:24] <bkjones> I'm gonna restart X and run GNOME to see if an assert error in the update manager goes away.
[07:24] <bkjones> later.
[07:25] <TeRaHuRtZ> Grub generally doesn't like when computers don't have floppy drives, unless you install the grub on your own using the --no-floppy option\
[07:25] <_ubuntu> TeRaHuRtZ: Again, I'll figure it out.. Use google etc, and get back to u guys when I'm completly stuck.. ;)
[07:25] <TeRaHuRtZ> Well I'm willing to help you with it
[07:26] <_ubuntu> And I really apreciate that.. Ty
[07:27] <_ubuntu> I'll better get ready for the party. Ty TeRaHuRtZ ! And bk(though he left)
[07:33] <johnathana> who do I set kdm as the default manager?
[07:34] <bipolar> johnathana: dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:34] <uniq> johnathana: in a terminal window run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:36] <johnathana> thanks you guys
[07:36] <hugo> hello
[07:37] <hugo> when I type my root password in the network menu nothing happens
[07:37] <hugo> sometimes the password prompt doesn't even show
[07:37] <hugo> same bug for everything when i press the "Administrator Button" in system settings...
[07:58] <leafw> in kubuntu breezy, dist-upgraded to the latest packages, the automounting of a USB pen works, but the media:/ protocol fails to show the proper mounted media.
[07:58] <leafw> any ideas why, or how to patch it?
[07:58] <leafw> this happens in an x86 HP pavillion
[07:59] <leafw> is difficult to teach an non-savy user to use the konsole to sudo umount his usb pen
[08:02] <frank23> leafw: yeah media:/ stopped working for lots of people (including me) I don't know why
[08:02] <leafw> in breezy-ppc it works fine
[08:02] <leafw> what a joke
[08:02] <leafw> this is a major bug, a show stopper
[08:03] <frank23> leafw: hmmm usb drives do work for me... it's the mounted partitions that dont
[08:04] <leafw> they mount, but the konqueror fails to show them under a media:/ protocol.
[08:04] <leafw> so they can't be mouse-umounted
[08:04] <leafw> plus one has to know where to look for them in the file system
[08:04] <brodel> I want to try to get my desktop a bit nicer looking.. how can I change the color of the panel to match the kbfx button I just installed?
[08:05] <leafw> and how in th world one can get an external display to work
[08:05] <leafw> it's the worst type of sorcery I've seen around
[08:05] <leafw> and that is another major show stopper
[08:06] <leafw> the xorg.conf may or may not work, and there's no tellying when or why or how
[08:06] <nounours> bonjour tout le monde
[08:06] <Snake__> !fr
[08:07] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:07] <nounours> sorry...bye all
[08:07] <Snake__> :)
[08:07] <murph2481_> !amarok
[08:07] <ubotu> [amarok]  a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[08:11] <aoshi> hello everybody
[08:12] <NRG88> hi
[08:12] <NRG88> :?
[08:12] <jpatrick> hi
[08:13] <Snake__> hellos.
[08:13] <jpatrick> Snake__: boo
[08:13] <Snake__> jpatrick: What??
[08:13] <Snake__> lol
[08:14] <jpatrick> Snake__: that's how I sometimes greet people
[08:15] <murph2481_> amarok will not play mp3's can anyone help?
[08:15] <brodel> can anyone tell me how to make the panel a different color?
[08:15] <Snake__> !mp3
[08:15] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:15] <Snake__> murph2481_: thats to you
[08:15] <murph2481_> thanks Snake_
[08:15] <murph2481_> :)
[08:16] <Snake__> brodel: enable transparnce
[08:16] <Snake__> err
[08:17] <Snake__> brodel: Right click the bar, configure panel, click apperance
[08:17] <Snake__> brodel: then click advanced options, select the tint color, and then the tint ammount
[08:17] <Snake__> (for full color set it to max
[08:17] <brodel> hmm ok.
[08:18] <brodel> now the minimized apps are still grey though
[08:18] <Snake__> brodel: thats not fixable unless you upgrade to 3.5.1
[08:18] <brodel> oh.
[08:18] <brodel> damn.
[08:18] <brodel> oh well I'll just put it back. Thanks for the info though.
[08:19] <Snake__> Yea
[08:19] <Snake__> brodel: you can upgrade if you want..
[08:19] <Snake__> BUt there may be complications I wont be able to help you with
[08:19] <brodel> I'd break something.. not even gonna attempt it.
[08:19] <Snake__> Alright
[08:19] <Snake__> lol
[08:19] <Snake__> brodel: then just wait for dapper, thatll have it :)
[08:19] <brodel> Yeah. That's next month, right?
[08:20] <Snake__> brodel: april
[08:20] <Snake__> O WOW
[08:20] <Snake__> its march!?
[08:20] <Snake__> :)
[08:20] <Snake__> I didnt realize lol
[08:20] <brodel> haha.. I was like yeah.. like I said.
[08:21] <Snake__> Yep, next month
[08:21] <Snake__> !april20
[08:21] <ubotu> Snake__: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:21] <Snake__> ubotu: april20 is ZOMG DAPPER DRAKE IS RELEASED!!!!!!!!!
[08:21] <ubotu> Snake__: okay
[08:21] <Snake__> !april20
[08:22] <Snake__> whoops
[08:22] <Snake__> !april20
[08:22] <ubotu> somebody said april20 was ZOMG DAPPER DRAKE IS RELEASED!!!!!!!!!
[08:22] <Snake__> :)
[08:23] <brodel> I was thinking about buying another monitor and video card. How hard is it to hook up dual monitors for kubuntu?
[08:24] <leafw> brodel: it's pure sorcery so far.
[08:24] <Snake__> lol
[08:24] <leafw> try ur luck,.
[08:24] <brodel> just a thought.
[08:24] <brodel> I like dual monitors. We have that at work
[08:25] <leafw> I have a monitor here that I can use with the YDL and the macosx partitions, but not with kubuntu, as if something was really wrong somewhere in the Xorg
[08:26] <Snake__> Wow
[08:26] <Snake__> I wonder if this will make it in dappre
[08:26] <Snake__> Brookline, Massachusetts, December 21 2005. The first major version release of the X Window System in more than a decade, X11R7.0 is the first release of the complete modularized and autotooled source code base for the X Window System.
[08:28] <murph2481_> Snake_ i installed gstreamer0.10 (dapper flight 4) and still no playback from amarok?
[08:29] <Snake__> ehhhh
[08:29] <Snake__> Im not sure on dapper
[08:29] <murph2481_> the link you gave me had info for dapper
[08:29] <Snake__> Oh
[08:29] <Snake__> Hmm
[08:29] <murph2481_> but no go :(
[08:29] <Snake__> murph2481_: perhaps try xine?
[08:29] <murph2481_> but i can get VLC or XMMS to playback mp3's
[08:30] <Parkotron> murph2481: Did you install the gstreamer mad package?
[08:31] <brodel> is there better wireless support in dapper? I am thinking of getting a new router with WPA or WPA2
[08:31] <murph2481_> i installed the UGLY as per the site
[08:32] <murph2481_> hmmm let me try MAD
[08:32] <Parkotron> Personally I prefer the using the xine engine. Since it's non modular, it shouldn't give you any trouble with mp3s.
[08:32] <frank23> brodel: I haven't tried it myself, but I think wpa is still hard to configure
[08:33] <murph2481_> Parkotron what package do i need for xine?
[08:33] <frank23> murph2481_: try amaraok-xine
[08:33] <frank23> murph2481_: then change the engine in the amarok configuration
[08:33] <murph2481_> already installed :)
[08:34] <murph2481_> already set as the engine
[08:34] <Snake__> murph2481_: try #amarok maybe?
[08:35] <Parkotron> Is xine working for formats other than mp3?
[08:35] <Snake__> Parkotron: yulp
[08:35] <Snake__> Oh
[08:35] <Snake__> :) I thought you ment does it support it
[08:36] <frank23> I use xine for everything. I've had very little success with gstreamer in amarok and kaffeine
[08:36] <Snake__> same
[08:36] <Parkotron> I'd have to agree.
[08:36] <Blippe_[Banned] > I would like to start preaching about gstreamer right now, but... i would be lying
[08:37] <Snake__> Heh
[08:37] <frank23> In fact, I don't see why xine isn't the default instead of gstreamer.  for kubuntu, kaffeine went from xine in hoary to gstreamer in breezy
[08:37] <Parkotron> gstreamer certainly has it's merits, but when it gets right down to it, it's easier to use xine.
[08:38] <Snake__> frank23: I think it should go back to xine, it will have better support in amaork
[08:38] <Blippe_[Banned] > I usually uses xfmedia (still based on xine) for video... but gstreamer for audio-apps... (including amarok)
[08:38] <Snake__> frank23: theres crossfading and stuff done better for xine in 1.4
[08:38] <Blippe_[Banned] > crossfading, why would anyone want that?
[08:38] <Blippe_[Banned] > :FD
[08:38] <Blippe_[Banned] > :D
[08:39] <Snake__> Sounds better :P
[08:39] <LiGhTeNiN> I get a noisy picture while playing a movie file why?
[08:39] <frank23> Blippe_[Banned] : what is the difference between xfmedia and xine?
[08:40] <Blippe_[Banned] > xfmedia looks like xfce apps (like gnome) and that means it doesnt hurt my eyes as much as xine...
[08:40] <Blippe_[Banned] > crossfading is a poor mans gapless, and it sounds much worse!
[08:40] <frank23> Blippe_[Banned] : oh xfmedia is a frontend. No I don't like the xine interface either. I use kaffeine
[08:41] <Blippe_[Banned] > frank23, i could have been clearer... yep a frontend...
[08:41] <Parkotron> I'm a huge fan of kaffeine. Controls is a separate floating window is nothing but a hassle.
[08:42] <Blippe_[Banned] > Parkotron, i got two screens, i like having the controls on the seconds screen and the first playing it fullscreen...
[08:43] <brodel> is there a dapper live CD?
[08:43] <Parkotron> I do think kaffeine should have fewer toolbars by default. They clutter things up and I never use anything other than playback controls, position and volume.
[08:44] <Parkotron> Blippe: I too have two screens, but I like things to be concentrated to a single window.
[08:44] <frank23> I'd like to see kaffeine have a wmp like interface that can popup while in fullscreen
[08:44] <Parkotron> It does. Middle click while in full screen.
[08:45] <johnathana> brodel: yes it does
[08:46] <frank23> Parkotron: you get a menu, but you can't jump to another position while in fullscreen
[08:46] <LiGhTeNiN> I get an error while doing ./configure with xvid, says c cant make executables
[08:47] <Blippe_[Banned] > okrim, the real reason i don't ike kaffeine is that it crashed the first tw otimes i started it waaaaaaay back...
[08:47] <Parkotron> frank: Are you in minimal mode?
[08:47] <Blippe_[Banned] > I have'nt forgivn it yet...
[08:47] <Parkotron> Blippe: Stability was definately a huge weakness for Kaffeine in KDE3.4
[08:47] <frank23> Parkotron: no
[08:48] <frank23> LiGhTeNiN: install build-essential
[08:48] <jpatrick> Parkotron: kaffeine's just bad (use kmplayer)
[08:49] <brodel> aww the kubuntu flight 5 live CD link is dead :(
[08:49] <Snake__> brodel: I wasnt aware 5 was released?
[08:49] <frank23> jpatrick: I use kmplayer too but I don't like its separate window for the playlist
[08:49] <brodel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/
[08:49] <Parkotron> frank: Well, if I'm in regular (not minimal) mode and go fullscreen. I can middle click to have my toolbars and tabbar appear in fullscreen. I use it all the time.
[08:49] <brodel> it works for ubuntu.. but not kubuntu
[08:49] <brodel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-5/ (ubuntu)
[08:50] <jpatrick> brodel: not tested yet
[08:50] <frank23> Parkotron: you said middle click, and I read right-click. lol
[08:50] <jpatrick> grab a daily cd or something
[08:50] <Snake__> this stuff rocks
[08:50] <frank23> Parkotron: The worst is I've been using kaffeine for a year and didn't know about that!
[08:51] <LiGhTeNiN> frank23: thanks
[08:52] <frank23> LiGhTeNiN: what are you trying to compile?
[08:52] <LiGhTeNiN> xvid
[08:52] <Parkotron> frank: I recently made a request on the mailing list to make middle click work both in fullscreen and in windowed mode. Hopefully that gets implemented because I'm always middleclicking in the window expecting it to switch to minimal mode.
[08:52] <Parkotron> frank: I'm glad I could help you out.
[08:53] <frank23> LiGhTeNiN: why? you can install libxvidcore4 and be done with it
[08:54] <LiGhTeNiN> Couldn't find package libxvidcore4
[08:54] <frank23> LiGhTeNiN: its in universe
[08:54] <frank23> !tell LiGhTeNiN about sources
[08:54] <Blippe_[Banned] > okrim, dma is a hardware-"thingie" right, so if i mount a dvd directory it doesn't matter if dma is on or off? or am i wrong?
[08:55] <brodel> I'd say yet.
[08:55] <brodel> yes*
[08:56] <brodel> XGL only works on dapper?
[08:56] <Parkotron> brodel: Correct.
[08:56] <Snake__> brodel: correct, I suggest if you want to try it go to kororaa.org and get a demo live disk
[08:56] <brodel> bah
[08:56] <brodel> would XGL work on the live disc?
[08:56] <brodel> I just wanted to play with it a bit.
[08:57] <Snake__> brodel: yes
[08:57] <Snake__> oh wait
[08:57] <Snake__> of dapper?
[08:57] <Parkotron> Yep. The only major requirement is version 7.0 of xorg.
[08:57] <andrzej> how can j chank icons of kmenu?
[08:57] <Snake__> brodel: just go get the kororaa live disk, then you dont need to install it or anything, it was made just to demo XGL
[08:57] <andrzej> how can j chank icons of kmenu?
[08:58] <andrzej> how can j change icons of kmenu?*
[08:58] <Snake__> andrzej: right click the "k" and select menu editor
[08:58] <Blippe_[Banned] > how safe is easyubuntu?
[08:58] <brodel> great. I'm downloading it now.
[08:58] <Snake__> click the item you want to change, and click the icon that shows up where you would edit it
[08:58] <Snake__> Blippe_[Banned] : Much safer than automatic
[08:58] <Snake__> automatix*
[08:59] <brodel> I couldn't figure out easyubuntu
[08:59] <Snake__> brodel: because your on kubuntu.
[08:59] <brodel> wow.. this ISO is gonna take forever to download
[08:59] <Snake__> Its for ubuntu
[08:59] <Snake__> Hence the name :)
[08:59] <brodel> 52 hours.. boo that
[08:59] <andrzej> Snake__ this metod is bad
[08:59] <Snake__> brodel: torrents are pretty quick with it
[09:00] <Snake__> andrzej: well I know no other way, sorry
[09:00] <brodel> awesome. you got a link to a torrent?
[09:00] <Blippe_[Banned] > Snake__, it is probably safer than posting my password on my back too... that doesn't say anything...
[09:00] <Blippe_[Banned] > does people recommend it?
[09:00] <Snake__> !easyubuntu
[09:00] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[09:00] <Snake__> Er...
[09:00] <Snake__> Holdo n
[09:01] <brodel> wait. I currently have an ATI card.. should I even bother?
[09:01] <Blippe_[Banned] > I take that as a personal recommendation then... :D
[09:01] <Snake__> Blippe_[Banned] : nalioth and robotgeek help build it. Its safe :)
[09:01] <Snake__> Blippe_[Banned] : If you on kubuntu tho. go with easybreezy
[09:01] <Snake__> easyubuntu is...as I just said, for ubuntu
[09:01] <Blippe_[Banned] > okrim, then i feel kind of safe again...
[09:02] <Blippe_[Banned] > okrim, i am terribly sorry about posting your name all the time, i will check my settings!
[09:03] <brodel> bah. I have an ATI card and I run AMD.. I think I'll skip the live CD.. doesn't seem like it'd work too well with my PC
[09:04] <Blippe_[Banned] > Snake__, i use all three ubuntu's... from time to time...
[09:04] <Snake__> Blippe_[Banned] : Well if you have ubuntu-desktop installed, then you can run it
[09:05] <LiGhTeNiN> frank23: nope, still didnt find, I compiled xvid and the picture is still noisy
[09:07] <slow-essen> bye
[09:08] <leafw> any way to switch off the "brightness" popup that shows when changing screen brightness?
[09:09] <Dazed> Hullo
[09:09] <Snake__> hu
[09:10] <bkjones> hi
[09:10] <Dazed> I wanna try linux out, but I dont want to abandon windows yet, cause i still need to get things done on the computer
[09:10] <Dazed> Can i set up a dual boot somehow
[09:10] <Snake__> Dazed: Dual boot
[09:11] <Dazed> yeah thing is
[09:11] <Dazed> I helped my buddy set up a dual boot of xp/ubuntu
[09:11] <brodel> I have windows on this PC. I very rarely boot into it.
[09:11] <Dazed> fried the hard drive somehow
[09:11] <Snake__> Fried it?
[09:11] <Dazed> had to send it back to the manufacturer
[09:11] <Dazed> It died
[09:11] <brodel> ha.. ubuntu didn't do that.
[09:11] <bkjones> that's a hardware issue.
[09:11] <leafw> was it a Maxtor?
[09:11] <Dazed> The drive was workign fine till we installed unbuntu
[09:11] <Snake__> It was gonna die anyway, ubuntu cant do that
[09:11] <bkjones> that's not a linux issue (or windows issue, for that matter)
[09:11] <brodel> if it was WD.. then it's common
[09:12] <Dazed> i think it was having the 2 file systems on the same drive
[09:12] <Dazed> we gave em their own partitions tho
[09:12] <leafw> brodel: I have some WD working since year 1998
[09:12] <bkjones> dazed: that makes no technical sense.
[09:12] <Dazed> Point being.. i dont want it to happen to my drive
[09:12] <leafw> but MAxtor drives fail on me every year, like a clock.
[09:12] <brodel> every WD I have ever had has failed.
[09:12] <Dazed> It was a maxtor lol
[09:12] <bkjones> I just got a new maxtor from an RMA
[09:12] <bkjones> every drive will eventually fail.
[09:12] <brodel> I've only had one Maxtor die on me ever. So, I stick with what works for me mostly.
[09:12] <leafw> so: both brands suck. One would assume such an issue would be solved by today.
[09:13] <Dazed> Another thing is I dont wanna try ubuntu
[09:13] <Dazed> it looks like.. 2 user friendly
[09:13] <bkjones> so don't.
[09:13] <Dazed> i want some ahrdcore linux with like a command line
[09:13] <brodel> too user friendly?
[09:13] <bkjones> what the hell does that mean?
[09:13] <leafw> Dazed: there a literally hundreds of linux distros.
[09:13] <Dazed> and some matrix uplinks
[09:13] <brodel> haha
[09:13] <bkjones> dazed - you can have a command line whenever you want.
[09:13] <bkjones> lol matrix uplinks.
[09:13] <bkjones> nice.
[09:13] <bkjones> it should be called "redpill linux"
[09:13] <leafw> xD install ubuntu as ".server": it puts only the bare minimums, gives you a tty
[09:14] <bkjones> oh yeah, if you wanna go all the way like that.
[09:14] <bkjones> but if you thought having two filesystems on a disk could demolish it, I don't think you're ready for that ;-P
[09:14] <Dazed> Well I dont know what did it
[09:14] <Dazed> spent 2 days trying to ressurect that box
[09:14] <brodel> bkjones: I was gonna say that.. but I figured that might be a bit much :P
[09:14] <Dazed> concluded that ubunutu was the weaksuace
[09:15] <bkjones> sorry
[09:15] <Snake__> Dazed: it definatly wasnt ubuntu/windows/macos/dos.
[09:15] <bkjones> dazed: I wonder: what evidence did you have that the drive was actually dead?
[09:15] <Dazed> Whats the difference between KDE and gnome?
[09:15] <Snake__> Dazed: Look at screenshots
[09:15] <Snake__> Huge diffrence
[09:15] <Dazed> Well mainly that the bios stopped recognizing that it was there
[09:15] <bkjones> dazed: the difference is preference.
[09:15] <bkjones> dazed: that's not a hard drive problem
[09:15] <Snake__> thats mobo
[09:15] <Dazed> it wouldnt boot
[09:16] <bkjones> or, it's not necessarily one, anyway.
[09:16] <Dazed> said there was no drive
[09:16] <Dazed> bios didnt see the drive
[09:16] <bkjones> that's not necessarily a hd issue either.
[09:16] <Snake__> Should have cleared the cmos
[09:16] <Dazed> but there drive was there and working fine 5 minutes before
[09:16] <brodel> yeah. Actually when I tried ubuntu, I almost threw it out saying it sucks.. then for the hell of it I tried kubuntu.. now I know I just don't care for gnome
[09:16] <sonic> Hi people, since switching to kde in Kubuntu, I've been experiencing random repetition at random intervals when typing. e.g. When I am typing thiiiiiiiiiiiiiis might happen. Anybody else getting this?
[09:16] <Snake__> sonic: if we all got that, kde wouldn't be very popular :)
[09:16] <Snake__> But I dunno whats up :( sorry
[09:16] <bkjones> nor would irc ;-P
[09:17] <Snake__> lol
[09:17] <brodel> nope never had that happen soooooooorry.
[09:17] <sonic> Ok, cheers anyway.
[09:17] <bkjones> lol
[09:17] <sonic> brodel: haha
[09:17] <bkjones> sonic: does it happen only with certain keys?
[09:18] <bkjones> I had a keyboard that certain keys stuck on. I cleaned it. All's well now :)
[09:18] <sonic> nop, random
[09:18] <bkjones> :/
[09:18] <brodel> will dapper have XGL?
[09:18] <bkjones> I believe so.
[09:19] <bkjones> thought it was in something I read.
[09:19] <Dazed> Is there an operating system like the one from minority report yet
[09:19] <Snake__> bkjones: yessir
[09:19] <brodel> I can't wait for this CD to finish. I want to see it. The movies I've seen look sweet
[09:19] <Snake__> brodel: you too :P
[09:19] <Dazed> with the symbols that just float in the air and you drag them around
[09:19] <bkjones> yep.
[09:19] <bkjones> I'm running it right now.
[09:19] <Snake__> brodel: It will be in the repos, awaiting your download
[09:19] <brodel> rock on
[09:19] <Dazed> Which warez site did you get it from
[09:19] <bkjones> I didn't get it from a warez site.
[09:19] <brodel> although I just read something about dapper maybe being delayed.
[09:19] <bkjones> it's open source.
[09:19] <Snake__> brodel: where.
[09:20] <bkjones> I haven't seen a warez site in 8 years.
[09:20] <Dazed> isohunt.com
[09:20] <Dazed> I dont think it hosts software from the future tho
[09:20] <brodel> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5
[09:21] <Snake__> I cant see it being delayed
[09:21] <bkjones> one reason I switched to linux (in 1998) was because I have too much of a conscience to steal stuff. That and who the hell knows what's being bundled with the warez versions. (spyware, backdoors...)
[09:21] <Snake__> lol
[09:21] <bkjones> anyone get the update-manager to work upgrading to dapper yet?
[09:21] <brodel> I dunno. Maybe it won't be.. but it seems like it might
[09:21] <bkjones> failed for me.
[09:21] <Snake__> Oh my god
[09:21] <brodel> at least that's what that page says
[09:22] <Snake__> its orange
[09:22] <Snake__> Wtf is ubuntu thinking
[09:22] <Dazed> I just want something new
[09:22] <Snake__> That is nasty......
[09:22] <brodel> but it's a meeting on the 14th.. I think.
[09:22] <Dazed> Im fed up with xp and its buggery
[09:22] <bkjones> dazed: so do it. What's the hold up?
[09:22] <brodel> wait for Vista.. hehe
[09:22] <Dazed> like, my 'open with' just opens everything with notepad instead of giving me the menu to choose a program.
[09:23] <Dazed> Come on
[09:23] <bkjones> dude, you're preaching to the choir here. :)
[09:23] <Dazed> Whens vista suppsoed to be arriving anyway
[09:23] <brodel> yeah
[09:23] <Snake__> Dazed: end of this year
[09:23] <brodel> holiday 06
[09:23] <Snake__> Horay for 6 year relases
[09:23] <jpatrick> brodel: Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Thurs, 16th March - 20:00 UTC : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[09:24] <Dazed> Seems like its gonna be all bells and whistles with lots of secreet orwellian crap in it
[09:24] <Dazed> I fear the vista
[09:24] <bkjones> yeah me too - and I don't even run windoze.
[09:24] <Dazed> Like hardcoded into the operating system you can only play mp3s you have licenses for
[09:24] <Armagguedes> hello
[09:24] <Dazed> Thats nazi germany yo
[09:24] <brodel> I personally don't care fo rall the GUI sugar in it and it's insane hardware requirements. I've run a few betas..
[09:24] <bkjones> yes. Welcome to the 1940's
[09:25] <brodel> Actually the first Vista beta I tried made me get ubuntu because I didn't like where it was going.
[09:25] <Armagguedes> if i install ubuntu and do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, its absolutely the same as installing kubuntu from a disc, rite?
[09:25] <bkjones> I'll have to run it somewhere at some point just so I can support it to some minimal degree.
[09:25] <jpatrick> Armagguedes: yes
[09:25] <Snake__> Armagguedes: yes
[09:25] <bkjones> prolly in vmware on my linux workstation.
[09:25] <Dazed> How much hard disk space is ubuntu
[09:25] <Dazed> just the core operating system
[09:25] <Armagguedes> what if i do apt-get kde?
[09:26] <Snake__> Armagguedes: you just get KDE
[09:26] <jpatrick> Dazed: 500 MBs i think
[09:26] <Snake__> Armagguedes: no extra software that comes with kubuntu
[09:26] <bkjones> yeah, I think 500MB too.
[09:26] <Armagguedes> Snake__ whats the difference
[09:26] <Armagguedes> like what?
[09:26] <Dazed> nice
[09:26] <bkjones> Kontact.
[09:26] <Dazed> my xp install is 2.3 gigs
[09:26] <Snake__> bkjones: kontact is part of KDE
[09:26] <jpatrick> kubuntu-specific patches
[09:26] <Dazed> can i play counter strike source on linux
[09:27] <Snake__> Dazed: with cedega
[09:27] <TeRaHuRtZ> with wineX/cedega yes
[09:27] <bkjones> yeah, but I don't think the default tweaks that kubuntu does are there by default are they?
[09:27] <Dazed> with what now
[09:27] <Snake__> !cedega
[09:27] <Dazed> bless you
[09:27] <Snake__> !+cedega
[09:27] <ubotu> hmm... cedega is (formerly known as WineX) is TransGaming Technologies' proprietary fork of Wine, which is designed specifically for running games written for Microsoft Windows under Linux. As such, its primary focus is implementing the DirectX API. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://www.transgaming.org/gamesdb or #cedega or http://www.frankscorner.org/
[09:27] <jpatrick> bkjones: kubuntu-default-settings
[09:27] <bkjones> ?
[09:27] <bkjones> hm
[09:27] <brodel> hmm never tried that. Sounds interesting.
[09:28] <Armagguedes> hm in kubuntu whats the equivalent of Evolution?
[09:28] <brodel> Although I have a console to game.. other wise I'd be another one of those guys bitching that linux doesn't support games well.
[09:28] <bkjones> Kontact..
[09:28] <bkjones> :)
[09:28] <jpatrick> bkjones: that package is where the kubuntu changes go
[09:28] <jpatrick> Armagguedes: kontact
[09:28] <bkjones> oh
[09:28] <Snake__> I run a laptop that doesnt need to game
[09:28] <Snake__> so I dont worry about it
[09:28] <bkjones> btw - "synchronization" in kontact for me doesn't work at all.
[09:29] <Dazed> Can you install ubuntu without a boot cd
[09:29] <bkjones> probably. But it would involve PXE booting.
[09:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Cedega isn't all that great, and if you're going to use it just follow the steps for wineX cvs build, it's cheaper
[09:29] <Armagguedes> what is syncronization? equalizing files across a network?
[09:29] <Dazed> !redhat
[09:29] <bkjones> Don't even know. I assumed it was a palm sync app.
[09:30] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Dazed
[09:30] <Dazed> whats redhat?
[09:30] <bkjones> redhat is another linux distribution.
[09:30] <brodel> another distro
[09:30] <Dazed> But..
[09:30] <TeRaHuRtZ> Redhat is a company which develops a couple distros
[09:30] <Dazed> What differs
[09:30] <brodel> fedora..
[09:30] <TeRaHuRtZ> Package management
[09:30] <bkjones> a lot differs.
[09:30] <Dazed> Does it come with different apps or something
[09:30] <bkjones> no, not really.
[09:31] <TeRaHuRtZ> Mainly package management
[09:31] <bkjones> ubuntu pays much more attention to desktop users.
[09:31] <Dazed> Lets pretend for a moment that I know what package management is
[09:31] <Dazed> How does it differ?
[09:31] <jpatrick> because on the rpm package manager which is [non-CoC-liking-comment-censored-here] 
[09:31] <brodel> I like SuSE better than fedora or redhat anything for that matter.
[09:31] <bkjones> dazed: you *do* know what it is, you just never heard it phrased that way.
[09:31] <jpatrick> 1) no split binaries
[09:32] <jpatrick> 2) different system design
[09:32] <TeRaHuRtZ> Suse, redhat, and fedora all are horrid imo
[09:32] <bkjones> package management is just managing the software on your system. Adding, removing, updating... that's package management (in a nutshell)
[09:32] <bkjones> distros all have different ways of handling it.
[09:32] <brodel> suse isn't that bad.
[09:32] <TeRaHuRtZ> suse is bloatware
[09:32] <bkjones> terahurtz: you're running slack. Once you make it to the 1990's, talk to us about linux on the desktop. ;-P
[09:32] <sander__> TeRaHuRtZ: what distro is light then?
[09:32] <brodel> then again I am comparing it to windows.. so I can't take bloat into account
[09:33] <TeRaHuRtZ> bkjones, that was dumbest comment i've ever heard
[09:33] <bkjones> slack is archaeology-ware
[09:33] <TeRaHuRtZ> Slack 10.2 uses newer compilers than suse and ubuntu
[09:33] <bkjones> great. That helps a desktop user how exactly.
[09:34] <TeRaHuRtZ> Did I say i cared for other users?
[09:34] <TeRaHuRtZ> lmao
[09:35] <TeRaHuRtZ> I've been using *nix since 1997, I could care less about the "new" users and how easy a distro is for them to use
[09:35] <bkjones> my point being you can't approach supporting desktop users coming from 'doze by shoving a bunch of stuff at them that you and I understand, but they think is "technobabble".
[09:35] <bkjones> Just sayin'
[09:35] <bkjones> then why are you in a kubuntu channel?
[09:35] <TeRaHuRtZ> I'm in multiple channels
[09:36] <TeRaHuRtZ> im in #freebsd but I don't don't run fbsd, does that mean I shouldn't be there?
[09:36] <jpatrick> well three channels
[09:36] <bkjones> so just a professional troll, then.
[09:36] <TeRaHuRtZ> Nope, I'm here to help people
[09:37] <jpatrick> I'm here cos I'm a dev
[09:37] <Snake__> Im here because I rock
[09:37] <_karl> how can i add synaptic?
[09:37] <bkjones> I'm here 'cos I'm a dev/admin
[09:37] <jpatrick> that too
[09:37] <bkjones> it's already there, _karl
[09:37] <TeRaHuRtZ> Synaptic package manager?
[09:37] <TeRaHuRtZ> Or synaptic touch pad drivers...
[09:37] <_karl> synaptic package manager
[09:37] <bkjones> yeah, what a horrible name clash.
[09:37] <TeRaHuRtZ> _karl, are you using 5.10?
[09:38] <_karl> yes. kubuntu 5.10
[09:38] <jpatrick> adept
[09:38] <brodel> can't use adept?
[09:38] <_karl> yes i can
[09:38] <TeRaHuRtZ> I'm not familiar with 5.10 i have 6.04 on my laptop, but doesn't synaptic come with 5.10?
[09:38] <Snake__> _karl: use adept to get synaptic
[09:38] <Snake__> TeRaHuRtZ: not in kubuntu
[09:39] <bkjones> yeah it does
[09:39] <bkjones> I have it here
[09:39] <TeRaHuRtZ> _karl, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:39] <TeRaHuRtZ> worked for me
[09:39] <jpatrick> no it doesn't
[09:39] <Snake__> Kubuntu does NOT come with synaptic.
[09:39] <Snake__> You have to install it
[09:39] <TeRaHuRtZ> Ya i dont have it
[09:39] <bkjones> I guess I have it 'cos I installed ubuntu first.
[09:39] <bkjones> in which case it winds up in the system menu under kubuntu
[09:39] <Snake__> bkjones: ya that would do it
[09:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> I use apt-get manually, but i did install synaptic
[09:40] <bkjones> I've never even seen adept.
[09:40] <bkjones> it looks very... duplo.
[09:40] <_karl> It say that: no canditate
[09:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> for synaptic?
[09:41] <_karl> where can i have a source.list for kubunutu 5.10
[09:41] <Marrs> searching something in adept is a bit easier than in synaptic (I mean I like the incremental search options in adept)
[09:41] <bkjones> eek. I don't like that interface at all.
[09:41] <TeRaHuRtZ> /etc/apt/source.list
[09:41] <jpatrick> !info synaptic
[09:41] <ubotu> synaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.57.4ubuntu10 (breezy), Packaged size: 1036 kB, Installed size: 5128 kB
[09:41] <Snake__> bkjones: Try out krynaptic
[09:42] <TeRaHuRtZ> bkjones, see I'm not a troll, I'm helping people :)
[09:42] <bkjones> think I'll just stick with synaptic.
[09:42] <Snake__> who the hell made that program..it was like a desperate attempt at a package maanger
[09:42] <jpatrick> _karl: my "heavy" sources.list: http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/sources
[09:42] <Snake__> jpatrick: pass out the offical list
[09:42] <Snake__> TeRaHuRtZ: the good ol debian days sucked
[09:42] <bkjones> lol
[09:43] <TeRaHuRtZ> Snake__, not sure how you can say that, but ok
[09:43] <bkjones> yeah, I swore off debian until ubuntu.
[09:43] <TeRaHuRtZ> Debian unstable is the same as ubuntu
[09:43] <Snake__> TeRaHuRtZ: I can say that quite easily, linux was to young back then
[09:43] <bkjones> I gave it a shot at replacing some redhat servers at work. No freakin' way.
[09:43] <Marrs> the good ol' days... that must have been the Amiga days :)
[09:43] <jpatrick> TeRaHuRtZ: because it's based off it?
[09:44] <TeRaHuRtZ> jpatrick, indeed, there really isn't major differences, besides the user friendliness of ubuntu compared to debian
[09:44] <bkjones> terahurtz: debian unstable is *not* the same as ubuntu.
[09:44] <TeRaHuRtZ> Pretty damn close :)
[09:44] <Snake__> bkjones: you do know about the tab feature right?
[09:44] <bkjones> in what?
[09:44] <Snake__> In IRC clients..
[09:44] <TeRaHuRtZ> obviously not :P
[09:44] <Snake__> :)
[09:44] <bkjones> yeah
[09:44] <bkjones> I have 3 open now.
[09:44] <Snake__> lol
[09:44] <bkjones> why?
[09:44] <TeRaHuRtZ> lmao
[09:45] <Snake__> bkjones: No i mean, yo ucan start typing osmeones name, and press tab and it will fill the rest in for you
[09:45] <TeRaHuRtZ> bkjones, learn to use IRC than come back and argue with me
[09:45] <Snake__> saves time
[09:45] <Snake__> TeRaHuRtZ: stfu.
[09:45] <Snake__> TeRaHuRtZ: IRC has nothing to do with linux
[09:45] <TeRaHuRtZ> Snake__, well the majority of linux users use IRC
[09:45] <TeRaHuRtZ> :)
[09:46] <bkjones> I don't use tab completion in my shell much either.
[09:46] <Snake__> bkjones: yea its there too :P
[09:46] <bkjones> thanks.
[09:46] <sirblue> but why wouldnt anyone use it??
[09:46] <bkjones> I got out of the habit of using tab completion because it can lead to mistakes that can make life miserable.
[09:47] <unperson> Is there any way to make Kopete pop up a chat window when someone messages you for the first time?
[09:47] <bkjones> I've been a Linux administrator for 8 years. I've learned my lesson.
[09:47] <Snake__> unperson: it should do that defaultly..
[09:47] <jpatrick> unperson: it's in the configuation
[09:47] <sirblue> bkjones: like what? not looking at what comes out?
[09:47] <TeRaHuRtZ> Snake__, no it goes to the task bar with a little bubble
[09:47] <bkjones> yeah, basically
[09:47] <Snake__> TeRaHuRtZ: thought that was what he ment
[09:47] <TeRaHuRtZ> unperson, its in the pref
[09:47] <sirblue> bkjones: story to tell?
[09:47] <Snake__> unperson: check the configs
[09:47] <unperson> Snake__: By default is seems to pop up a little bubble containing a snippet of the message that I have to click on to get a chat window.
[09:47] <bkjones> plenty.
[09:48] <bkjones> I write on the subject pretty regularly.
[09:48] <Snake__> unperson: yea, go to the configuation of kopete
[09:48] <Snake__> sorry
[09:48] <bkjones> If you read Onlamp, linux.com, o'reilly books, etc., you may have seen some already.
[09:48] <sirblue> cool, might have...
[09:49] <_karl> but what you think, what linux are simplies
[09:49] <TeRaHuRtZ> oreilly books are excellent learning tools
[09:49] <sirblue> bkjones: if you are in the mood, share the worst one... ;)
[09:49] <sirblue> amongst the best
[09:49] <bkjones> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0596100825/sr=8-1/qid=1142110138/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-7942034-8872909?%5Fencoding=UTF8
[09:49] <thom_> can someone tell me how to check cpu temperature?
[09:49] <sirblue> thom_: acpi -V
[09:49] <bkjones> thom_ some bioses actually do that.
[09:50] <unperson> Right, so I have "show a bubble" unchecked under notification, because that causes a bubble not an actual chat window.  I can check "Raise window on new message" under the Chat tab, but I assume that'd raise the winow on very message, not just the first one.
[09:50] <TeRaHuRtZ> or lm_sensors
[09:50] <thom_> right, is there a gui display like in xfce applet?
[09:50] <thom_> thanks
[09:50] <Snake__> unperson: sounds bout right
[09:50] <TeRaHuRtZ> thom_, doesn't tha rely on lm_sensors?
[09:51] <TeRaHuRtZ> that*
[09:51] <unperson> Ok, tried that, it does indeed raise the window on every message.
[09:51] <Snake__> I'm listening to: Trans - Siberian Orchestra - Wizards In Winter (0:05 / 3:05)
[09:51] <Snake__> Woooo
[09:51] <_karl> are the monitors standard in kubuntu
[09:51] <thom_> im on dapper and xfce is broken so im using kde
[09:51] <_karl> i mean like in fluxbox
[09:51] <TeRaHuRtZ> what monitors?
[09:51] <jpatrick> Snake__: let's keep that info limited here
[09:51] <_karl> system monitors
[09:51] <Snake__> jpatrick: It was my first time... :(
[09:51] <bkjones> sirblue: I once entered a command and hit tab and then enter really fast without thinking, and wound up changing the permissions on everything under the "/" directory.
[09:51] <TeRaHuRtZ> I believe so yes
[09:51] <thom_> 63C
[09:51] <Snake__> bkjones: LOL
[09:52] <bkjones> yeah, that sucked.
[09:52] <Snake__> linux needs a "undo" button
[09:52] <Snake__> :)
[09:52] <TeRaHuRtZ> thom_, wow, what type of system is that?
[09:52] <Snake__> TeRaHuRtZ: Preshott probly
[09:52] <_karl> but is that possible like in ws
[09:52] <thom_> notebook, centrino, its actually cooling down now
[09:52] <bkjones> jeezus. Isn't that like 140F?
[09:52] <sirblue> bkjones: great one, think i'd reconsider too after that...
[09:52] <TeRaHuRtZ> a centrino shoudl not get that hot
[09:53] <thom_> i noticed that if you leave the install cd in and boot it will get super hot
[09:53] <thom_> even though its doing nothing
[09:53] <TeRaHuRtZ> I would rip apart the casing and throw some AS5 on the
[09:53] <TeRaHuRtZ> HSF
[09:53] <Snake__> Well my P3 is at 56..
[09:53] <Snake__> Thermal 1: ok, 56.0 degrees C
[09:53] <bkjones> ok, I gotta go have a life now.
[09:53] <bkjones> later all.
[09:54] <TeRaHuRtZ> bkjones, good luck on that goal
[09:54] <TeRaHuRtZ> :)
[09:54] <bkjones> beware of tab completion.
[09:54] <Snake__> cya bkjones
[09:54] <bkjones> ;P
[09:54] <thom_> i mean, if you leave the instal cd in and do nothing, it will get too hot
[09:54] <thom_> not booted
[09:54] <TeRaHuRtZ> thom_, sounds like your cd-rom drive keeps spinning the disk for no reason
[09:54] <thom_> no its not spinning
[09:54] <TeRaHuRtZ> Odd
[09:54] <Snake__> thom_: your CPU may be close to your disk drive
[09:55] <TeRaHuRtZ> MY centrino doesn't get past 45c usually
[09:55] <Snake__> My HDD is right by my CPU and it gets hot as crap there
[09:55] <thom_> now im in kde and temp is going down 59c now
[09:55] <sirblue> thom_: or nuts...
[09:55] <TeRaHuRtZ> I would blow out all the vents with compressed air at the least
[09:55] <thom_> it was so hot i could not pick it up, and it had not even booted
[09:56] <TeRaHuRtZ> Ya thats how my celeron laptop was
[09:56] <spiritz> I'm having problem with latest linux ati driver. I'm using kernel 2.6.15-17-686. I have been able to install the driver as usual, but this time it won't load properly. DMESG says fglrx "taints the kernel". What does that mean?
[09:56] <TeRaHuRtZ> And then I opened it up, ripped off the thermalpad and applied some artic silver 5
[09:56] <thom_> TeRaHurtZ: whats the make and model?
[09:56] <thom_> TeRaHuRtZ: whats the make and model?
[09:56] <TeRaHuRtZ> The celeron was a compaq 2100 presario
[09:57] <TeRaHuRtZ> my new laptop runs cool
[09:57] <thom_> mine is sony vaio fs/660/w nvidia
[09:57] <TeRaHuRtZ> what type of processor?
[09:57] <Snake__> alright guys im out
[09:57] <Snake__> cya
[09:57] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...i was trying to configure the "weird keys" from my keyboard...whats the best was to do it?
[09:58] <Parkotron> m_tadeu: System Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Input Actions
[09:59] <orangey> hey all!
[09:59] <orangey> I have upgraded my system to amd64.
[09:59] <Armagguedes> foda-se
[09:59] <Armagguedes> ups sry wrong channere
[09:59] <m_tadeu> Parkotron: first i have to map the keyboard keys, right? how do i do it?
[09:59] <Armagguedes> *channel*
[09:59] <orangey> must I reinstall kubuntu using the amd64 cd?
[10:00] <orangey> or can I just 'upgrade' apt-get upgrade style?
[10:00] <Parkotron> m_tadeu: Is your keyboard listed under Keyboard Layouts?
[10:00] <TeRaHuRtZ> that wouldn't be wise
[10:00] <thom_> how can i run alsaconfig?
[10:00] <TeRaHuRtZ> alsaconfig
[10:00] <TeRaHuRtZ> from a terminal
[10:00] <thom_> tried that
[10:00] <Armagguedes> so, when will we know if Dapper gets delayed 6weeks?
[10:01] <m_tadeu> Parkotron: I think i have a prob with that....i have no keyboards in the layouts
[10:01] <orangey> is flight 5 released for kubuntu yet?
[10:01] <thom_> mabe alsaconfig dont work cause im on dapper
[10:01] <m_tadeu> Parkotron: the model combo box is empty :(
[10:01] <TeRaHuRtZ> i dont have it  either in dapper
[10:01] <thom_> flight 5 was supposed to be out yesterday
[10:01] <TeRaHuRtZ> heh
[10:01] <brodel> orangey: I don't think so
[10:01] <Parkotron> m_tadeu: Did you upgrade to 3.5.1?
[10:02] <m_tadeu> Parkotron: yap
[10:02] <TeRaHuRtZ> My biggest complaint so far is that I can't compile things from scratch, which gets annoying :/
[10:02] <Parkotron> m_tadeu: That's a known bug. I have the fix here somewhere. Let me find it.
[10:02] <me2win> !info gstreamer
[10:03] <thom_> TeRaHuRtZ: you can install the comile stuff
[10:03] <Parkotron> m_tadeu: Try sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb
[10:03] <thom_> compile
[10:03] <TeRaHuRtZ> thom_, its missing half of the libs
[10:03] <Armagguedes> does anyone know if that obnoxious Kubuntu bug regarding wireless will get fixed on Dapper?
[10:03] <thom_> TeRaHuRtZ: oh
[10:04] <jpatrick> Armagguedes: I think so
[10:04] <m_tadeu> Parkotron: should i restart x?
[10:04] <Armagguedes> jpatrick and will it bring WPA support out of the box?
[10:04] <TeRaHuRtZ> thom_, try alsa-tools
[10:04] <TeRaHuRtZ> you have to apt-get it first though
[10:04] <TeRaHuRtZ> not sure if it has it though
[10:05] <jpatrick> *shrugs*
[10:05] <thom_> wireless is getting better , im on dapper on ly because my wireless works
[10:05] <sirblue> even with broadcom 43xx?
[10:05] <Armagguedes> thom_ kub dapper or ubun dapper?
[10:05] <thom_> i need sound in bzflag, it used to be alsaconfig to get it working
[10:05] <thom_> i installed ubuntu dapper, then kubuntu desktop
[10:05] <TeRaHuRtZ> thom_, try installing alsa-tools
[10:06] <thom_> TeRaHuRtZ: i have, now what
[10:06] <orangey> brodel: but ubuntu flight 5 is out! : )
[10:06] <TeRaHuRtZ> is there anymore commands under alsa?
[10:07] <thom_> TeRaHuRtZ: there is no equivalent to alsa config
[10:07] <TeRaHuRtZ> hmm
[10:07] <thom_> alsaconfig used to fix bzflag
[10:07] <TeRaHuRtZ> Thats odd, I don't have it either
[10:07] <TeRaHuRtZ> What in alsaconfig fixd it?
[10:08] <gleesond> does kubuntu use alsa?
[10:08] <thom_> it would overwrite the sound settings the ubuntu uses
[10:08] <thom_> its the same
[10:08] <TeRaHuRtZ> gleesond, i doubt it would use oss
[10:08] <Parkotron> m_tadeu: I don't think you should have to, but it can't hurt.
[10:08] <brodel> yeah.. but I want kubuntu :\
[10:08] <thom_> not oss there is another one,
[10:09] <thom_> all i can do is use control center and change sound: hardware but it does no good
[10:09] <TeRaHuRtZ> alsamixer works
[10:09] <thom_> so it does
[10:10] <TeRaHuRtZ> crap, anyone know of the usenet reader thats KDE based, its called K something...
[10:10] <thom_> the problem is kububtu.ubuntu is using some other sound drivers that i need to overide
[10:10] <sander__> knode
[10:10] <thom_> im going to check forum
[10:11] <TeRaHuRtZ> sander__, thanks, thats the one that supports nzb files right?
[10:11] <sander__> Actually that one is klibido, I don't think knode has any binary capabilities.
[10:12] <TeRaHuRtZ> ahh klibido is what i was thinking of
[10:12] <TeRaHuRtZ> thanks
[10:13] <sander__> Any word on if the delay in Dapper will help Kubuntu with stuff like knetwork manager?
[10:13] <TeRaHuRtZ> No idea, I don't follow the *ubuntu dev work closely :/
[10:14] <thom_> sander_: are you running dapper/
[10:14] <thom_> i had to setup my networking in ubuntu dapper for some reason, then switch to kde
[10:15] <logi_> anyone here good with samba?
[10:15] <TeRaHuRtZ> I forget is xchat GTK+ based?
[10:16] <thom_> TeRaHuRtZ: seems theres a bug in alsa-tools dapper, but it was for flight 3,
[10:17] <sander__> thom_: I download the live flight cds to keep up. I run SuSE 10, but I'm wieghing dapper v SuSe 10.1. Knetwork manager sounds like a must have.
[10:17] <TeRaHuRtZ> alsa-tools is just for select cards anyway
[10:17] <orangey> TeRaHuRtZ: yes
[10:17] <thom_> sander_: funny, me too, im running suse 10.1 and dapper
[10:17] <sander__> Last I read that it wasn't going to make the cut, but with the extended deadline I'm wondering if that might change.
[10:17] <sander__> thom_: which gets your vote so far?
[10:18] <TeRaHuRtZ> I'm looking for a way to use GTK+ to to turn all my gtk+based apps so they have transparent backgrounds
[10:18] <thom_> sander_: suse was real nice, even has brightness controls and some advanced acpi stuff
[10:18] <TeRaHuRtZ> I know Xchat can do it, but I want all apps to it, which are GTK+ based
[10:18] <TeRaHuRtZ> such as gaim etc
[10:18] <thom_> but beta 6 is very unstable
[10:19] <TeRaHuRtZ> Xgl was pretty cool :)
[10:19] <thom_> sander_: whats your wireless card, is that the issue?
[10:19] <sander__> Yast is a big plus in terms of general management, but I prefer apt, so that's pretty big for me.
[10:19] <thom_> dapper is actually usable, suse 10.1 beta 6 is not right now
[10:20] <orangey> can I upgrade from breezy to dapper (flight) with apt-get upgrade?
[10:20] <orangey> what apt sources?
[10:20] <thom_> also there is the issue of disks, for all the suses you need maby 5x every beta which is a waste
[10:21] <TeRaHuRtZ> I just didn't care for suse, to bloated and slow
[10:21] <TeRaHuRtZ> :/
[10:21] <TeRaHuRtZ> imo of course
[10:21] <thom_> sander_: i just dont have time to run a cd burning factory
[10:21] <me2win> !info gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[10:21] <ubotu> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt: (Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.60-1ubuntu5 (breezy), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 284 kB
[10:21] <sander__> My wireless issue is that I still find generic find the network connecting too hard on every distro. I'd like something like XP-post SP2 network wireless browsing where I can just see what networks are around and connect. Most of the time I have to manually tweak with iwconfig and such. I'm hoping that knetwork manager will help.
[10:23] <sander__> thom_: I agree, also yast died on me with beta 5 (the sources are corrupted somehow) so that set things back. :/
[10:23] <thom_> sander_: i agree, im on kubuntu now, and have no idea what wireless im connected too
[10:23] <TeRaHuRtZ> me2win, thx but I don't believe there is a way to set that globally
[10:23] <me2win> wha?
[10:24] <TeRaHuRtZ> tk2-engines-gtk-q
[10:24] <TeRaHuRtZ> gtk2*
[10:24] <sander__> I have had numerous experiences where I connect to a wireless network, but don't get an ip so I have dicker around on the commandline. bleh.
[10:24] <thom_> sander_: dapper should be fine
[10:24] <thom_> try flight 5 when its out
[10:25] <thom_> a lot is up to the kernel , for ipw2200 its best 2.6.14 or later
[10:26] <thom_> sander_: what was the wirless device you have?
[10:26] <sander__> 2 UI things: In SuSe I really like the search dialog in the K menu, but dapper is the best (only?) distro for katapult.
[10:26] <thom_> are you sure firmware is not an issue
[10:26] <sander__> I have an old Orinoco Gold card, it gets picked up by most everything, 802.11b though.
[10:26] <me2win> TeRaHuRtZ: my bad, i did that !info for my own use, i wasnt aware that it was used in context with what you were talking baout heh
[10:26] <thom_> oh
[10:26] <TeRaHuRtZ> me2win, no prob heh
[10:27] <Evil_H> anyone here familiar with the GIMP?
[10:27] <TeRaHuRtZ> Did you see what i was trying to accoplish?
[10:27] <sander__> I think it has a problem with settings in promiscuous mode.
[10:27] <thom_> sander_: mine only works with acpi enabled
[10:28] <sander__> I figure I'll ghost my hard drive and try both dapper and 10.1 when they come out and see which works the best.
[10:28] <TeRaHuRtZ> !info kdmtheme
[10:28] <brodel> damn, the korora live CD didn't detect my NIC :\
[10:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> !info tpconfig
[10:29] <ubotu> tpconfig: (configure touchpad devices), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 3.1.3-7 (breezy), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 192 kB
[10:29] <jpatrick> !info kcontrol-kdmtheme
[10:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> heh
[10:30] <TeRaHuRtZ> its not there
[10:30] <jpatrick> apt-cache show kcontrol-kdmtheme
[10:30] <jpatrick> I know it's there
[10:30] <jpatrick> I packaged it
[10:30] <TeRaHuRtZ> heh thanks
[10:30] <jpatrick> (dapper)
[10:30] <jpatrick> bona nit tsdgeos
[10:31] <tsdgeos> jpatrick: hola
[10:32] <jpatrick> not really allowed to speak Catalan here :/
[10:33] <fatejudger> so Flight 5 hasn't really been released?
[10:33] <TeRaHuRtZ> jpatrick, where do i access that now?
[10:33] <TeRaHuRtZ> nvm
[10:33] <TeRaHuRtZ> im blind
[10:33] <jpatrick> no, kubuntu one's need testing still
[10:34] <fatejudger> jpatrick: timetable?
[10:34] <fatejudger> jpatrick: I thought they were usually pretty synced up
[10:34] <jpatrick> fatejudger: people have to actually make sure the thing works before releasing
[10:34] <jpatrick> grab a daily cd
[10:35] <orangey> hmm. has kubuntu dapper abandoned gstreamer?
[10:35] <jpatrick> _o/
[10:36] <jpatrick> orangey: for amaroK -> yes
[10:37] <jpatrick> because it doesn't support gst0.10 yet
[10:40] <thom_> Evil_H: whats up with gimp?
[10:42] <fatejudger> jpatrick: they said it did support gstreamer 0.10
[10:44] <tid-wave> well... System Settings is really evil
[10:44] <tid-wave> i am very disappointed
[10:44] <heinz> hallo
[10:44] <fatejudger> tid-wave: then change it back
[10:44] <heinz> hello
[10:44] <fatejudger> tid-wave: there's nothing stopping you from using kcontrol
[10:44] <tid-wave> full of bugs, and administrator mode destroys stuff
[10:44] <tid-wave> it's evil
[10:45] <fatejudger> omg
[10:45] <fatejudger> obviously you have no idea what you're talking about
[10:45] <fatejudger> since it works fine
[10:45] <jpatrick> fatejudger: great
[10:45] <paxmaster> hello how would I install xmmsbar
[10:45] <tid-wave> the problem is it doesn't work fine !
[10:45] <tid-wave> it's full of bugs
[10:45] <dark_suic> i still think kcontrol is way better than system settings...
[10:45] <fatejudger> tid-wave: what bugs?
[10:45] <jpatrick> not sure if we can ship a beta verison tho
[10:45] <fatejudger> jpatrick: it's pretty damn stable
[10:45] <tid-wave> it just screwed up the display settings on a computer
[10:45] <fatejudger> jpatrick: you might consider it
[10:46] <paxmaster> I extract he tar and it contain  xmmsbar.py  xmmsbar.pyc  xmmsbar.theme
[10:46] <tid-wave> it's interface sucks it has a huge window in low resolutions
[10:46] <tid-wave> unresizable
[10:46] <fatejudger> jpatrick: it hasn't crashed since I started using it back a few weeks ago
[10:46] <tid-wave> i hate it
[10:46] <fatejudger> tid-wave: are you using Breezy?
[10:46] <tid-wave> no
[10:46] <jpatrick> fatejudger: echo "try getting amarok1.4beta2 into dapper" >> TODO.jpatrick
[10:46] <tid-wave> it has bugs in both breezy and dapper
[10:47] <tid-wave> in fact dapper has even more bugs
[10:48] <paxmaster> does anybody know how to install xmmsbar
[10:48] <fatejudger> jpatrick: oh, and may I suggest that you compile amaroK Beta 2 with a splash screen this time?
[10:48] <fatejudger> jpatrick: I think that's how the maintainers of amaroK were intending it to be, it kind of goes with the whole theme
[10:49] <jpatrick> fatejudger: not my choice but I'll see what I can do
[10:49] <fatejudger> jpatrick: you are a Kubuntu devel right?
[10:49] <jpatrick> yes
[10:50] <fatejudger> jpatrick: I was hoping to ask one of you guys whether you played with ALSA a few weeks ago and took off dmix?
[10:50] <jpatrick> not me
[10:50] <fatejudger> jpatrick: because I can't seem to do multiple audio streams
[10:50] <fatejudger> jpatrick: and I've talked with others
[10:50] <fatejudger> jpatrick: they can't either
[10:50] <fatejudger> jpatrick: I've filed a bug report, but nothing came of it
[10:51] <jpatrick> I'm kde-related things guy
[10:51] <fatejudger> jpatrick: ah, ok
[10:51] <fatejudger> jpatrick: well maybe you could mention it to one of those package maintainers or something
[10:51] <tamer> Hey people... I have with kde a problem
[10:51] <fatejudger> jpatrick: because it's a serious issue
[10:51] <tamer> I don't have keyboard layouts available
[10:51] <tamer> for different languages
[10:53] <jpatrick> kcontrol
[10:53] <tamer> I did, everything's empty
[10:54] <tamer> doesn't sho me anything to choose
[10:54] <tamer> neither keyboard type or languages
[10:54] <tamer> could it be that there is a package missing?
[10:54] <Blissex> tamer: thats very odd.
[10:55] <Blissex> tamer: try 'kcmshell --list' that will list all of the available parts of the Control Centre
[10:56] <Blissex> tamer: here 'kcmshell --list | wc -l' counts 76 lines
[10:56] <tamer> 79 linues
[10:56] <marseillai> hi! does anyone know when kubuntu flight 5 will be out ?
[10:56] <tamer> 79 lines
[10:57] <sirblue> 77
[10:57] <Blissex> tamer: so you should have it...
[10:58] <Blissex> tamer: look at the list it outputs for the obviously named module.
[10:58] <dark_suic> 74 here...
[10:58] <Blissex> kcmshell --list | sort | less
[10:58] <dark_suic> Blissex, could you try a kcmshell --list | grep layout?
[10:58] <tamer> keyboard_layout
[10:58] <dark_suic> it may show the keyboard layout package
[10:58] <Blissex> keyboard_layout        - Keyboard Layout
[10:59] <dark_suic> well, installed here too
[10:59] <tamer> it is installes, but what might be the problem that he doesn't show me any layout?
[10:59] <tamer> in which package is it packed or where might be this problem?
[10:59] <Blissex> tamer: did you try 'kcmshell keyboard_layout'?
[11:00] <dark_suic> i heard it had some kind of bug
[11:00] <dark_suic> and read how to solve it (that way i solved it) but i forgot it and the webpage went down
[11:01] <tamer> even if I start kcontrol with "sudo" the same result
[11:01] <tamer> I thought it would be a user access violence.
[11:01] <Blissex> tamer: well, if you use 'sudo' you are accessing the KDE settings for 'root', not your own.
[11:02] <fatejudger> you're supposed to use kdesu on kcontrol
[11:02] <fatejudger> not sudo
[11:02] <asraniel> hi there, a friend of mine is trying kubuntu now. but in his konsole tab does not work for autocompletion. well it works, but it does only work if there is only one choice and it takes it. if there is more than one choice he cant show them with tab
[11:03] <tamer> Same result!
[11:04] <tamer> kdesu kcontrol brings me the same result that I am not even there able to choose at the keyboard layout module differen languages
[11:04] <Blissex> tamer: which result? That you get the panes but no keyboard types are listed?
[11:04] <tamer> At this module I am not able to choose any layout or language
[11:04] <tamer> the menus are empty
[11:04] <tamer> like you would have drop down menus with no entrys
[11:05] <tamer> At the box "Available Layouts" the list IS empty and at "keyboard model" the list is empty.
[11:05] <tamer> I am using kde 3.5.1 for kubuntu
[11:08] <tamer> Do you guys know who is maintining at kde the keyboard_layout module?
[11:11] <tamer> is somebody here running on kubuntu the kde 3.5.1 packages?
[11:12] <asraniel> tamer: yes, thereis a bug
[11:12] <asraniel> tamer: look in the bugtracker
[11:12] <asraniel> tamer: there is a fix for it
[11:12] <tamer> where ar kde?
[11:12] <tamer> or is it a subproject?
[11:12] <Blissex> tamer: bugs.KDE.org
[11:12] <asraniel> tamer: its a simple ln blablabla
[11:13] <asraniel> tamer: no, look at the kubuntu bug page
[11:13] <tamer> do you have the bug number?
[11:13] <asraniel> tamer: because its a kubuntu bug
[11:13] <mijndert> tamer, are you having the bug that there are no keyboard layouts present?
[11:13] <tamer> yes
[11:13] <tamer> no keyboards and nothing
[11:13] <mijndert> can i PM you about that?
[11:13] <tamer> empty
[11:13] <tamer> yes
[11:17] <Parkotron> tamer: Try sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb
[11:17] <tamer> I solved it!
[11:17] <tamer> I found the bug at bug.kde.org
[11:17] <tamer> sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11
[11:18] <tamer> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121249
[11:18] <tamer> Parkotron, thank you very much!
[11:18] <Dazed> Can you find the one in my pants now
[11:18] <tamer> you are a hero (don''t mean it ironically), thanks man!
[11:18] <gleesond> does anyone know about s/pdif and soundmax drivers
[11:18] <mijndert> tamer, that what i tried to PM you. But didn't work for now :P
[11:18] <tamer> you too, thank you!
[11:18] <Parkotron> tamer: No problem.
[11:19] <mijndert> Kubuntu rocks again ^_^
[11:19] <Dazed> Ill give you a hint
[11:19] <Dazed> Its my dong
[11:19] <kroisis> diseases, eh?
[11:20] <Dazed> :(
[11:26] <Dreamstar> hi guys need ur help!!!
[11:26] <Dreamstar> how can i tell to realplayer which sound device to use?
[11:27] <Dreamstar> pls urgently need ur help!!! i'd like to see the Ariane 5 launch live :)
[11:27] <pagefault> I am running ubuntu now and I would like to strip all traces of gnome from my system and go to kubuntu
[11:28] <pagefault> can I do this by simply removing ubuntu-desktop and installing kubuntu-desktop
[11:28] <thom_> install kubuntu-desktop
[11:29] <thom_> then remove ubuntu
[11:29] <pagefault> will that automatically remove gnome?
[11:29] <tijn> hi all
[11:29] <thom_> it will unless you have some apps installed that require it
[11:29] <thom_> you can check it with synaptic, do a search fro gnome after remvoing ubuntu
[11:30] <thom_> does anyone know anything about sound in dapper, game sound is not working
[11:31] <thom_> !sound
[11:31] <ubotu> methinks sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[11:32] <tijn> btw is there a known problem with install, like apt configuring cdrom hangs with 25%?
[11:33] <thom_> tijn: is your disk good, did you do check sum?
[11:33] <tijn> thom_: not yet, gonna do it right now
[11:33] <tijn> or just skip apt config
[11:33] <tijn> was just wondering ;)
[11:34] <thom_> maybe do slower burn
[11:36] <pvh> Where can I change single-click / double-click behavior?
[11:36] <pvh> (in KDE)
[11:41] <durga> how  can i get evolution to minimise to the sys tray  ?
[11:42] <Parkotron> pvh: kcontrol > Peripherals > Mouse
[11:43] <os2mac> So what is up with this article on /. about Mr Shuttleworth proposing a 6 week delay... having problems?
[11:43] <Parkotron> os2mac: Link?
[11:43] <os2mac> stand by
[11:43] <pvh> Parkotron: Thanks.
[11:43] <jjesse> wants the 6 weeks for developement of CKJ stuff
[11:43] <os2mac> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/11/2041240
[11:43] <os2mac> whiat is CKJ?
[11:44] <os2mac> s/whiat/what
[11:44] <jjesse> chinese japanese and korean support
[11:44] <os2mac> ahhh....
[11:44] <os2mac> broading the userbase....
[11:44] <jjesse> its a good email, wil lbe interesting discussion
[11:47] <Marrs> noob question: what is xubuntu?
[11:47] <os2mac> should be.... sounds like a lot of the problems I have had with previous releases will be wiped out.
[11:51] <Parkotron> !xubuntu
[11:51] <ubotu> hmm... xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[11:51] <Marrs> tnx!
[11:53] <sander__> It's the pron optimized version of ubuntu
[11:54] <Marrs> ;) ...it got me thinking if there was an Enlightenment version too... and yes, there is, Ebuntu
[11:55] <fatejudger> there has to be some way of fixing this sound problem in Dapper
[11:56] <fatejudger> is there anyone who is using the latest Dapper here?
[11:56] <Marrs> sry, not me
[11:56] <fatejudger> damn
[11:56] <pvh> fatejudger: I am, what's your problem?
[11:56] <Marrs> just switched to kubuntu from Gentoo, so I thought I'd try the "stable" version first ;)
[11:56] <fatejudger> pvh: are you able to run multiple sound streams?
[11:57] <pvh> fatejudger: you mean play sound simultaneously in multiple applications?
[11:57] <fatejudger> pvh: in other words, are you able to mix your sounds together?
[11:57] <fatejudger> pvh: yes
[11:57] <pvh> fatejudger: hmm, i'm not sure. let me check. i do use two soundcards.
[11:58] <fatejudger> pvh: you use both of them?
[11:58] <pvh> yes.
[11:59] <pvh> fatejudger: I _had_ found a really nice .asoundrc which set everything up nicely. Too bad I lost it when my hard drive crashed.
[11:59] <fatejudger> that sucks
[12:00] <fatejudger> I'm wondering if dmix isn't enabled or something
[12:00] <fatejudger> maybe they changed that
[12:01] <pvh> fatejudger: I'm not sure. My laptop, also running Kubuntu, definitely mixes sounds properly.
[12:01] <fatejudger> pvh: so does mine, but it's running Breezy
[12:02] <fatejudger> "It's a shame that software mixing isn't enabled on Ubuntu by default."
[12:02] <fatejudger> that's on the wiki
[12:02] <fatejudger> I think they changed it in Dapper or something
[12:03] <dumkopf> Okay, I'm *really* sick of updating and having all my fonts futzed with
[12:03] <fatejudger> dumkopf: lol
[12:03] <fatejudger> dumkopf: they don't use Dapper
[12:03] <fatejudger> *then
[12:03] <pvh> fatejudger: Aha, I found one.
[12:03] <fatejudger> pvh: found what?
[12:04] <pvh> fatejudger: The .asoundrc which served me so well.
[12:04] <dumkopf> upon updating today, all the text in firefox was gigantic.
[12:04] <fatejudger> pvh: www.pastebin.com
[12:04] <pvh> http://forum.americasarmy.com/viewtopic.php?p=2158665
[12:04] <dumkopf> i've managed to make some of it smaller, but i'm not sure what to do to make text on buttons and text entry boxes the same size as everythign else
[12:04] <fatejudger> dumkopf: you use Firefox in Kubuntu?
[12:04] <dumkopf> fatejudger: yes
[12:04] <tijn> of course
[12:04] <fatejudger> wtf