=== Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-gone === storm [i=joel@201.37.105.95] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [n=jcole@roscs004.americas.hp.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:30] sladen: -> #dapper-look, not my changes === ajobs [n=Jobman@p508E6695.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajobs [n=Jobman@p508E6695.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock_away is now known as LaserJock === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F75EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ohoel [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vidyar [n=andreas@p5084C78C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vidyar [n=andreas@p5084C78C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-217-078-207-6.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.167.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] jdub, planet.u.c hits my system pretty hard when rendering === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:45] planet.u.c rss feed is brokn [01:46] Seveas, is that what is causing it? [01:46] probably not [01:47] Seveas: fixing [01:47] Burgwork: when 'rendering'? [01:48] jdub, did you get my pm yesterday about the spammer on ubuntu-users? [01:48] Seveas: yeah, unsubbed. you weren't around when i replied. [01:48] great, thanks [01:49] Burgwork: when 'rendering'? <-- I assume in his browser [01:49] Heavy CSS [01:49] that's what i assumed too, but... ?! === jdub blames firefox 1.5 [01:49] if he means his desktop system [01:49] jdub, it loads the page, the page title changes, and then I get about 1-2 sec of 100% cpu usage [01:50] Epiphany 1.6 on FC4 at work, actually [01:50] same thing [01:50] same here - planet Ubuntu CSS is not the lightest [01:50] it's not exactly complicated [01:50] maybe reduce the number of entries on it? [01:50] wow, FF on this machine is even worse [01:52] ff is 1.0.4 === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] anyway, known issue? === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat|l [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === godiane [n=godiane@58.69.182.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] is a version number like 0ubuntu1desrt1 a sane thing to do? [02:22] desrt: not really... [02:22] how should i do this? [02:22] desrt: for what purpose? [02:22] i want to have a package in my repo that apt will upgrade to automatically [02:22] but... when you guys release a new one i want it to go back to yours until i reupdate my repo [02:23] desrt: so that you can both ubuntu and your repository? [02:23] +use [02:23] well.. like say i don't like a particular aspect of gnome-panel in ubuntu [02:23] 0ubuntu1desrt1 would be sane imho [02:23] and i want to ship my own package based on the ubuntu version... but unpatched [02:23] for your personal repository [02:23] desrt: looks fine to me [02:23] cool. [02:23] desrt: the logout dialog? or which aspect? ;) [02:24] slomo; maybe :) [02:24] tseng; our mission is clear! [02:24] but will 0ubuntu2 be higher than? [02:24] desrt: aqua teen hunger force, assemble [02:24] tseng; are your trayicon/inotify plugins any different than the stock ones? [02:24] sistpoty: yes [02:24] (ie: all your changes are to the core app, right....) [02:24] desrt: trayicon, yes [02:24] inotify, no [02:25] sistpoty: ask dpkg --compare-version if in doubt :) [02:25] er. when i say 'stock' i mean 'dapper' [02:25] um [02:25] no and no [02:25] good. [02:25] this means we only need to maintain one separate package for that :) === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robot101 [n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d81-211-226-111.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] so would the push back of dapper cause 6.10 to be pushed back as well, or just shorten its dev cycle? === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] anyone seen Daniel Stone today? [02:58] psusi: daniels now works for a large finnish mobile phone company === makinen [i=makinen@wire158.adsl.netsonic.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] ohh crap [03:02] so he's no longer maintaining Xwindows for ubuntu? [03:02] psusi: nope [03:02] nobody is? [03:02] hmm, don;t know who [03:03] infinity, fabbione know what they are doing with X in the mean time [03:03] well, I've had a bug filed for a few months now that is a regression from breezy where intellimice get their forward/back buttons screwed up [03:03] it really needs fixed before dapper goes final, and the bug has now been assigned to nobody === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] psusi: I have a bug where my touchpad is slow [03:06] intellimice have the forward/back buttons on the side... myself and a few other users have noticed that they are broken in dapper... there are only 7 buttons on the mouse and firefox looks for 6 and 7 to be the forward/back buttons [03:06] but about a month or two into dapper's cycle X decided that they are buttons 8 and 9... when the mouse only HAS 7 buttons... heh [03:07] "only" 7 buttons? :-P [03:08] It is a KDE mouse' [03:10] yea... left, right, middle, up, down, forwards, backwards [03:10] hm... I use kde, and I rarely touch my mouse :P (win+q opens konsole for me, and there's alt-f2 *g*) === psusi hugs his scroll wheel [03:11] it's just odd that X thinks they are buttons 8 and 9 when you specifically tell it that it's a 7 button mouse [03:11] so you probably mean a 2D scroll wheel count as four buttons in X? then I understand === minghua knows his scroll wheel is counted as button 4 and 5 in xorg.conf [03:11] my mouse has a wheel... it counts as button 3 when I click it, 4 and 5 when I scroll it [03:12] then there's a button on either side of the mouse that firefox uses for go forward and go backwards... handy those... [03:12] they used to be considered buttons 6 and 7, which is what firefox still expects, but X decided midway during dapper's cycle that they are buttons 8 and 9 === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawn_home [n=spstarr@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d81-211-226-111.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@c-67-166-206-241.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toma- [n=haste@203-59-207-12.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] is the 10th March daily build bootable? === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] jdub: permissions on the award story don't let me add a "Discuss" link. (aka no edit privs) [04:33] hey whiprush === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Micksa [n=mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty is off to bed... gn8 everyone [05:38] hey ajmitch === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] off to Atlanta, back next week. [05:48] ECHANNEL [05:48] eek [05:48] bye === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-214-128-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:58] people seem to be having problems with dist-upgrade. they're doing it and getting seg faults and blank screens. 2 people in the last 10 mins have joined #ubuntu+1 with major problems [06:00] one of them was dist-upgrading direct from breezy, the other was already in dapper just doing a routine dist-upgrade === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-23-61.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov//7100/world.topo.bathy.200401.3x21600x21600.A2.jpg [06:16] does anyone's firefox crash when trying to view this? [06:16] The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error. [06:16] The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. [06:17] desrt: I get "The image ... cannot be displayed, because it contains errors" [06:17] my firefox just pukes [06:18] eog opens it just fine === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] desrt: nah. eog here doesn't seem to work either. it just hangs [06:20] just a data point for you [06:20] wfm. [06:20] perhaps you didn't download it correctly [06:21] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321581 [06:21] looks like this bug [06:21] mozilla bug 321581 in General "large image crashes firefox" [Critical,New] [06:22] Ubugtu; have a botsnack [06:23] Ubugtu, bot snack [06:23] its not an infobot;) [06:24] I have sha1sum 489efd5349b4e7d9fb307686d282f083127e87e7 for that jpeg file === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-106.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] wow, Vista not booting on Intel Mac is getting people talking [07:10] cool, I sure hope to try Dapper soon :) [07:14] I'm having quite a bit of difficulties with my intel iMac with anything other than offical Apple stuff === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] so..... my X server causes a kernel panic when it starts up [07:28] this is new. [07:31] infinity; i think it's the new fglrx === hua [n=hua@221.172.51.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] infinity; seems it causes a kernel panic if the X server exits quickly === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] infinity; does not occur with open source drivers [07:38] so use good non binary only crap :) === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D224D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] dapper, 3 vga cards: 1agp, 2 pci. what defiens which one ends up as the primary? [08:11] it is one of the pci, which seems odd === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enyc [n=enyc@ip126.0.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] moo meep === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sebest [n=sebest@Mix-Annecy-109-1-244.w80-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] calc: I asked Mark that yesterday evening; in the event that we do go for a delayed release, then we'll probably shorten the next three release cycles by two weeks each to compensate [10:11] Kamion: will the delay affect the date of the developers conference for dapper+1? [10:11] siretart: yes === sebest [n=sebest@Mix-Annecy-112-3-183.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] and "would the delay ..." - subjunctive mood is appropriate since it's not settled yet :) [10:12] right [10:13] 6 weeks is June 1st === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-170-19.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@81.Red-83-40-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] minghua: sorry about confusion === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has left #ubuntu-devel [""mission] === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@p54894DBB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-088-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-130.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] good morning [11:29] morning === martink [n=martin@dslb-084-059-088-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke_ [n=olemke@p54897281.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke_ is now known as olemke [11:36] do xubuntu and ubuntu-server count as "derivatives"? [11:36] xubuntu does, at least. Unsure about -server. [11:36] it's time to update the derivatives page on the website, I think [11:36] Kamion: speaking of which, should we have a flight-5 for u-s as well? === mdke searches for the meaning of "derivative" [11:40] there is basically no information about ubuntu-server on the website, so I might include it too [11:41] mdke: this for the book? [11:42] mdke: it's just another subset of packages... but I think Fabio has plans for it to be more [11:42] no, for the website. [11:43] there is a CD, so I think it should be visible [11:43] I guess a difference might be that nothing /extra/ was imported into 'main' to build -server. Whereas with K/Edu/X-, extra packages have been imported in order to make them possible === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] possibly, but they are all in main now [11:44] except for xubuntu, at present [11:45] but there is no real good information about ubuntu-server even on the wiki, except for the ServerFaq page... [11:47] tricky [11:48] it's just a way to get your apt-cache pre-populated with most of the common LAMP programs you'd wan [11:49] well kubuntu is also like that [11:50] ditto the localised isos [11:51] there's a different server linux build I believe [11:53] Mithrandir: theoretically but only if folks have time to test it etc. [11:53] sladen: that's not true [11:53] sladen: I've certainly promoted stuff just for -server [11:54] Kamion: ooh, okay. This would be useful to know; do you remember anything in particular---I can add it to the wiki if you do [11:55] ipvsadm and keepalived recently [11:55] let's see if I can get a bigger list from germinate === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D224D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] how about this: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/derivatives [11:58] perhaps it is a little early for xubuntu to be in "supported" [11:58] ltsp-utils and the -server kernels are the other things that are germinated only by ubuntu-server seeds [11:59] xubuntu will receive security support but not technical support (the latter at least not by Canonical, although if somebody else steps up to guarantee an SLA then that would obviously be great) [11:59] we're still thrashing out the details, hence the delay in promotion [11:59] i'll put it in "other" for now, maybe [11:59] Gnoppix too [12:01] ok === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] seb128: ping [12:03] hi [12:03] jordi: not pong [12:03] infinity, Mithrandir: are upload still frozen? [12:03] seb128: so I downloaded ubuntu panel source, applied patches, no trace of "About Ubuntu" in the pot [12:03] seb128: nope [12:03] jordi: it's in debian directory and I need to patch the po/POTFILES.in, I'll do with next upload [12:04] seb128: Flight CD 5 is just pending mirroring before an announcement now [12:04] seb128: oh man [12:04] Kamion: thank you === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Flight CD 4 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | UI sprint in #dapper-look [12:04] Kamion: and thank you for the stable uploads accepted ;) [12:04] Kamion: is flight-5 available? or it has been delayed? [12:04] 11:04 < Kamion> seb128: Flight CD 5 is just pending mirroring before an announcement now [12:05] seb128: can you do me a big favour? [12:05] no problem, still a few to go but the queue is much better than it was [12:05] ups, sorry was typing and skipped that one [12:05] jordi: maybe, ask :) === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D224D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] --- ubuntu-about.desktop.orig 2006-03-11 12:05:13.631395978 +0100 [12:05] +++ ubuntu-about.desktop 2006-03-11 12:05:20.326522715 +0100 [12:05] -Name[ca] =Quant a Ubuntutu [12:05] +Name[ca] =Quant a Ubuntu [12:05] *that* was embarrasing [12:05] And it's been there for 2 releases. [12:05] lol [12:06] heh === zeedo [n=zeedo@reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] I'll fix it monday with 2.14 upload, promize :) [12:06] 0K D00D! [12:06] promise rather :p [12:07] anyway, I don't intend to spend my saturday on IRC, just wanted to know if I can upload the ubuntulooks and gtk upload I had pending yesterday [12:07] see you [12:07] seb128: don't forget! [12:07] Or I will kill! [12:07] seb128: are you in London still? === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-93-225.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] any chance we'll meet? [12:07] jordi: no, I'm back home [12:07] seb128: you suck dude === seb128 slaps jordi [12:08] k [12:08] thank you :p [12:08] we will probably meet at GUADEC [12:08] you are going to GUADEC, right? [12:08] seb128: don't forget or you'll break my heart! [12:08] yah [12:08] don't worry, I'll fix that :) [12:08] seb128: you totally missed out FOSDEM man [12:08] see you! [12:08] bye [12:08] yeah I know, next time [12:08] see you :) === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:13] so... did seb128 do the upload? [12:13] oi sladen [12:13] on monday he said [12:13] sladen: are you in FI, or IUK? [12:15] jpatrick: oh bah, that means another 2days of eye-sore [12:15] jordi: I'm actually in the UK, but the wrong end of it. Maybe I'll pop back to London at some point [12:16] heh === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@h58n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-088-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] Kamion: ta === richard_ [n=richard@d58-104-93-225.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@179.119-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@179.119-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D22FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink-pbook [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jc-denton [n=nils@zux173-061.adsl.green.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] hi all === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-242-97.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] i'm not sure if this question is realted to this channel but i ask [01:07] why is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-March/000734.html on ubuntu-art [01:07] rather then ubuntu-devel ? === _lemsx1_ [n=lemsx1@p86-65.acedsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] jc-denton: i got that mail as well, it has been sent to several lists [01:09] jc-denton: ubuntu-devel-announce === JustinLynn [n=justin@wlbg-00-0014.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JustinLynn [n=justin@wlbg-00-0014.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] ok [01:12] there has been a discussion about wpa_supplicant in main [01:12] they said it's not possible to include it because it's too much work [01:12] Which, in combination with network-manager 0.6 would rock, but that's too much work [01:13] yes [01:13] with a delay of 6 weeks would this bee possible? [01:13] we'd need 1 or 2 new packages, and we'd need to sanitize the wpasupplicant packaging [01:13] AND we'd need to test a lot [01:13] maybe, but not likely [01:14] well, you can start packagin'/testing it for dapper+1 after all [01:14] oh sure [01:15] that way we have a lot more time to test [01:15] my school's wlan requires wpa_supplicant === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] jc-denton: yes, but you can still run it [01:15] and if dapper will be used in commercial environments it would be good for it [01:15] yes [01:15] jc-denton: you just won't be able to get it from _main_ and use network-manager to manage it [01:15] that's all [01:15] but try to explain how to an average user [01:15] :D [01:15] it still works [01:16] jc-denton: easier than explaining why it's broken for his chipset with all kinds of new untested packages === Pygi - lunch [01:18] yes but the trouble with drivers on linux is not ubuntu's problem [01:18] jc-denton: i would say bring it up for discussion in that upcoming townhall meeting [01:18] i think [01:18] i cannot go to these meetings [01:18] wpa is quite essential these days [01:19] but shall i ask again on #ubuntu-devel? [01:20] jc-denton: you already did :P better put it to discussion on a mailinglist [01:20] wider audience that way [01:20] easy to miss something on irc:) [01:21] lol [01:21] err i mean on the ubuntu-devel mailing list? [01:22] why not, although i'm not a dev:P === tes1 [n=artur@e176085082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] me neither === tes1 [n=artur@e176085082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:23] well can't hurt right ;P [01:23] if you don't take a shot you always miss :P === JustinLynn [n=justin@wlbg-00-0014.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jc-denton [n=nils@zux173-061.adsl.green.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-088-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0FBBD.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.35.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink-pbook [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] http://www.xanna.org/images/silly/zoobuntu.png [02:09] (taken in our living room) [02:09] are the daily images not being generated? [02:09] (kubuntun notably) [02:09] http://xanna.livejournal.com/51821.html in fact [02:09] Lathiat: no [02:10] Lathiat: we always turn them off when preparing Flight releases [02:10] ok, if that is not the cover of the cd cases for dapper, i'm switching back to windows :P [02:10] hrm i was hopign to get an install cd with that cupsys bug fixed [02:10] since kubuntu flight5 isnt being done for a week [02:10] can you do a kubuntu run? [02:10] thats just so cute, Kamion [02:11] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: nice image. very good for "ubuntu kids" [02:11] or "ubuntu inner-kids" ;) [02:12] Kamion: I suspect we can turn on dailies again now? [02:13] Lathiat: I can build you one, sure === conn [n=conn@83.141.127.50] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Surak [n=surak@201009097207.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] Hello, does someone have a screenshot of dapper's new orange color scheme? I didn't find in archives now [02:21] Mithrandir: cheers [02:22] Mithrandir: sure, done [02:25] wow the openoffice deps are all broken!!! [02:25] taht's a mess [02:25] huh? installs fine for me [02:25] which exact package are you talking about? [02:26] well look [02:26] $ sudo dpkg -r language-support-en [02:26] dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of language-support-en: [02:26] openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb depends on openoffice.org-core (>> 2.0.2) | language-support-en; however: [02:26] Package openoffice.org-core is not installed. [02:26] and more [02:26] but then [02:26] $ sudo dpkg -r openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb [02:26] dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb: [02:26] language-support-en depends on openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb. [02:26] you needed to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [02:26] this looks like a loop dependency [02:26] raphink: look up :) [02:26] oh, new openoffice.org-l10n needs new openoffice.org I guess [02:26] Pygi: doesn't do anything [02:26] and I can't install kubuntu-desktop [02:26] shrug, should be fixed soon, doko uploaded openoffice.org not long ago [02:26] cause it has lots of conflicts around [02:26] ok [02:26] leave it alone and go do something else on Saturday :-) [02:27] hehe [02:27] Kamion: hehe ;) [02:27] well I need some tools that didn't get upgraded in kubuntu-desktop [02:27] so I'll have to install them as standalone [02:27] raphink-pbook: Riddell has to updat k-d-s I think [02:27] since kubuntu-desktop is not installable [02:27] so do so for now [02:27] jpatrick: w/ openoffice? [02:27] yes [02:27] well at least if it's a known issue that's good [02:29] doko: all I can say is I'm glad I didn't accept openoffice.org-l10n past NEW while Flight 5 was still in preparation :-P [02:29] raphink-pbook: I did poke him a few days a go on it.... [02:30] Kamion: hehe :) [02:30] jpatrick: ok [02:30] Kamion: yes, but we talk on #irc about it [02:31] I've just looked over our discussion and it wasn't at all clear that I should avoid processing those packages [02:32] I only avoided doing so out of paranoia [02:32] oh well [02:32] anyway, then the current build should finish quickly ... === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Surak [n=surak@201009097207.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] who broke the openoffice help again? [03:07] ah, I see it already [03:07] nobody broke it ;) just the new OO is there with some unresolved deps (conflicts) I suppose ;) [03:08] yeah [03:08] it's not as bad as what some users do [03:08] hehe ;) [03:08] $someone just installed libstdc++ from debian [03:08] and then apt-get -f install [03:08] half the system was removed [03:09] buh, no good :-S [03:09] And still people think I'm overreacting when I say mixing debian and ubuntu repos is a recipe for disaster [03:09] i dont :) [03:10] Seveas: bah, same thing with RPM's....people use RPM from different distros, and when they experience dependency hells, then they argue ;) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] that even happens with rpms from the same distro [03:10] rpm is just [non-COC-compliant-comment-censored] [03:10] I've had that when they've installed large pieces of software, like OpenOffice.org2 via Alien, and come complaining to me that their system is half trashed. [03:10] Seveas: btw. if I am not mistaken we have libstdc++ in our repos as well? well, ok, RPM was a bad example ;) [03:10] Somtimes I wish I never brought my Ubuntu laden laptop to school... [03:11] hehe [03:11] well, oo.O-help in dapper is quite busted now too [03:11] waiting for other builds to finish [03:11] This was in Breezy ;) [03:12] Seveas: the greatest bug for now in dapper is the gtk theme ;) [03:12] Seveas, the situation would be alot easier if people didnt keep 'suggesting' dist-upgrade to anyone who wants to know why package x doesnt work [03:12] and i'm not talking within #ubuntu+1 either [03:12] After he got yelled at by two or three different people, he removed the alien converted packages, and surprise surprise, everything worked again. Now we just have to convince him to ditch his dodgy 802.11b card that causes his entire notebook to freeze (Using ndiswrapper), then he'll be just about sorted... [03:12] Pygi, not a bug - design issue [03:13] the colors scare me [03:13] Seveas: yes, I know ;) just using bug as a phrase ;) [03:13] Pygi, no single theme will please everyone - I hope the discussions will move to sounder [03:14] Seveas: yup, true, but still...ah, well, you can suggest that..and see if people will listen ;) [03:14] they won't === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-088-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] Seveas: bah, ok, lemme try then ^^ [03:14] I've been on a crusade lately in -dapper to send people to the right places, helps marginally [03:14] -devel* [03:15] yup, I'll try to tell them now [03:15] yes, yes, I saw that you are on crusade ;) === ctd_ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] Seveas: there...perphaps it will help ;) === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-93-49.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A60302.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-7-41.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robot101 [n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-214-128-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ is now known as seb128 === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coyctecm [n=coyctecm@a85-156-177-86.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zace [n=marc@i577B55C7.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coyctecm [n=coyctecm@a85-156-177-86.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink-pbook [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === richard_ [n=richard@d58-104-93-225.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-214-128-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.162.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === richard_ [n=richard@d58-104-93-225.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sven_ [n=spiderma@p54836020.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LinuxJones [n=willy@hlfxns01bbh-142177196002.ns.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=ubuntu@63.172.155.73] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:34] ok, installed ubuntu live dapper, tried to reboot, and at grub i get a error 14 ? help === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] so dapper will be late? [04:35] ok, installed ubuntu live dapper, tried to reboot, and at grub i get a error 14 ? help [04:36] iceman, not twice ;) [04:36] np [04:36] i will try a reinstall .... [04:39] well whats error 14 mean ? [04:40] Filesystem compatibility error [04:41] Pygi just upgraded from breezy to dappey wonder why thet would happen ? [04:41] Some of the filesystem reading code in GRUB has limits on the length of the files it can read. This error is returned when the user runs into such a limit. [04:42] what DS are you using? [04:42] FS* [04:42] sounds like the formating of the harddrive, might need to wipe it completly before installing dapper [04:42] hm, perhaps [04:42] fs will be base for live cd, ext2 or ext3 ... [04:43] Linux gets funny on the quick format it does .... had that as issues in moving from distro to distro before ... [04:44] ;) [04:44] well i'll try 1 more reboot, then toast the drive ... full install ... first i'll full format ... === Seewai [n=zolomon@87.192.142.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-March/000734.html [04:48] that really sounds good :) [04:53] coyctecm> thanks for the heads up regarding the proposal. I for one am in agreement with our SABDFL. [04:54] ok [04:55] coyctecm> will this affect the release schedule of dapper+1 ? [04:56] I don't know, im not right person to ask that, sorry [04:57] i heard someone adamently claim earlier that it would not [04:57] anyone except Matt that can actually change this page? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5 === towolf [n=towolf@p54BF297D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] elkbuntu: yup, it shouldn't move the dapper+1 deadline [04:57] i would even have the specific convo in logs, if youse want more beef of the convo === ohoel [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] so if dapper gets pushed back 6 weeks dapper+1 only has 4 1/2 months [04:59] yes, but most likely dapper+1 won't be supported for that much years...not sure tho [04:59] take a month off of that for bugfixing and you've got 3 1/2 months to add new stuff [04:59] amaranth: and what do you want? to release it "AS IS" and get a bunch of trolling about why the system, deps, or anything else doesn't work? :P [05:00] we have enough beavers already as it is [05:00] Pygi: no, i'm saying push dapper+1 back too [05:00] Amaranth: maybe...but that would cause a glimpse in dapper release cycles [05:01] you'll see how many beavers we will have around when they hear about this [05:01] they'd be better off limiting the amount of change in dapper+ [05:01] making it a small advance [05:02] elkbuntu: dapper was supposed to be that [05:02] elkbuntu: dapper+1 is supposed to be the one where we get to do crazy things again :P [05:02] amaranth: I disagree...dapper is supposed to be most supported and stable with as much extra features as possible [05:02] Amaranth, and so they should learn from their mistakes. it's all fine being ambitious, but ambitions take time [05:02] amaranth: we cant build dapper+1 on top of dapper, if dapper is not good enough [05:03] Pygi, if they had have stuck with the smaller changes and done them well, then the base would have been good enough [05:04]