[12:30] <jdub> sladen: -> #dapper-look, not my changes
[01:42] <Burgwork> jdub, planet.u.c hits my system pretty hard when rendering
[01:45] <Seveas> planet.u.c rss feed is brokn
[01:46] <Burgwork> Seveas, is that what is causing it?
[01:46] <Seveas> probably not
[01:47] <jdub> Seveas: fixing
[01:47] <jdub> Burgwork: when 'rendering'?
[01:48] <Seveas> jdub, did you get my pm yesterday about the spammer on ubuntu-users?
[01:48] <jdub> Seveas: yeah, unsubbed. you weren't around when i replied.
[01:48] <Seveas> great, thanks
 Burgwork: when 'rendering'? <-- I assume in his browser
[01:49] <Seveas> Heavy CSS 
[01:49] <jdub> that's what i assumed too, but... ?!
[01:49] <jdub> if he means his desktop system
[01:49] <Burgwork> jdub, it loads the page, the page title changes, and then I get about 1-2 sec of 100% cpu usage
[01:50] <Burgwork> Epiphany 1.6 on FC4 at work, actually
[01:50] <jdub> same thing
[01:50] <Seveas> same here - planet Ubuntu CSS is not the lightest
[01:50] <jdub> it's not exactly complicated
[01:50] <Seveas> maybe reduce the number of entries on it?
[01:50] <Burgwork> wow, FF on this machine is even worse
[01:52] <Burgwork> ff is 1.0.4
[01:53] <Burgwork> anyway, known issue?
[02:20] <desrt> is a version number like 0ubuntu1desrt1 a sane thing to do?
[02:22] <sistpoty> desrt: not really...
[02:22] <desrt> how should i do this?
[02:22] <sistpoty> desrt: for what purpose?
[02:22] <desrt> i want to have a package in my repo that apt will upgrade to automatically
[02:22] <desrt> but... when you guys release a new one i want it to go back to yours until i reupdate my repo
[02:23] <sistpoty> desrt: so that you can both ubuntu and your repository?
[02:23] <sistpoty> +use 
[02:23] <desrt> well.. like say i don't like a particular aspect of gnome-panel in ubuntu
[02:23] <slomo> 0ubuntu1desrt1 would be sane imho
[02:23] <desrt> and i want to ship my own package based on the ubuntu version... but unpatched
[02:23] <slomo> for your personal repository
[02:23] <tseng> desrt: looks fine to me
[02:23] <desrt> cool.
[02:23] <slomo> desrt: the logout dialog? or which aspect? ;)
[02:24] <desrt> slomo; maybe :)
[02:24] <desrt> tseng; our mission is clear!
[02:24] <sistpoty> but will 0ubuntu2 be higher than? 
[02:24] <tseng> desrt: aqua teen hunger force, assemble
[02:24] <desrt> tseng; are your trayicon/inotify plugins any different than the stock ones?
[02:24] <slomo> sistpoty: yes
[02:24] <desrt> (ie: all your changes are to the core app, right....)
[02:24] <tseng> desrt: trayicon, yes
[02:24] <tseng> inotify, no
[02:25] <slomo> sistpoty: ask dpkg --compare-version if in doubt :)
[02:25] <desrt> er.  when i say 'stock' i mean 'dapper'
[02:25] <tseng> um
[02:25] <tseng> no and no
[02:25] <desrt> good.
[02:25] <desrt> this means we only need to maintain one separate package for that :)
[02:37] <calc> so would the push back of dapper cause 6.10 to be pushed back as well, or just shorten its dev cycle?
[02:57] <psusi> anyone seen Daniel Stone today?
[02:58] <Burgundavia> psusi: daniels now works for a large finnish mobile phone company
[03:02] <psusi> ohh crap
[03:02] <psusi> so he's no longer maintaining Xwindows for ubuntu?
[03:02] <Burgundavia> psusi: nope
[03:02] <psusi> nobody is?
[03:02] <Burgundavia> hmm, don;t know who
[03:03] <tseng> infinity, fabbione know what they are doing with X in the mean time
[03:03] <psusi> well, I've had a bug filed for a few months now that is a regression from breezy where intellimice get their forward/back buttons screwed up
[03:03] <psusi> it really needs fixed before dapper goes final, and the bug has now been assigned to nobody
[03:04] <Burgundavia> psusi: I have a bug where my touchpad is slow
[03:06] <psusi> intellimice have the forward/back buttons on the side... myself and a few other users have noticed that they are broken in dapper... there are only 7 buttons on the mouse and firefox looks for 6 and 7 to be the forward/back buttons
[03:06] <psusi> but about a month or two into dapper's cycle X decided that they are buttons 8 and 9... when the mouse only HAS 7 buttons... heh
[03:07] <minghua> "only" 7 buttons? :-P
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[03:10] <psusi> yea... left, right, middle, up, down, forwards, backwards
[03:10] <sistpoty> hm... I use kde, and I rarely touch my mouse :P (win+q opens konsole for me, and there's alt-f2 *g*)
[03:11] <psusi> it's just odd that X thinks they are buttons 8 and 9 when you specifically tell it that it's a 7 button mouse
[03:11] <minghua> so you probably mean a 2D scroll wheel count as four buttons in X?  then I understand
[03:11] <psusi> my mouse has a wheel... it counts as button 3 when I click it, 4 and 5 when I scroll it
[03:12] <psusi> then there's a button on either side of the mouse that firefox uses for go forward and go backwards... handy those...
[03:12] <psusi> they used to be considered buttons 6 and 7, which is what firefox still expects, but X decided midway during dapper's cycle that they are buttons 8 and 9
[04:19] <Toma-> is the 10th March daily build bootable?
[04:28] <whiprush> jdub: permissions on the award story don't let me add a "Discuss" link. (aka no edit privs)
[04:33] <ajmitch> hey whiprush 
[05:38] <whiprush> hey ajmitch 
[05:48] <crimsun> off to Atlanta, back next week.
[05:48] <crimsun> ECHANNEL
[05:48] <Amaranth> eek
[05:48] <Amaranth> bye
[05:58] <elkbuntu> people seem to be having problems with dist-upgrade. they're doing it and getting seg faults and blank screens. 2 people in the last 10 mins have joined #ubuntu+1 with major problems
[06:00] <elkbuntu> one of them was dist-upgrading direct from breezy, the other was already in dapper just doing a routine dist-upgrade
[06:16] <desrt> http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov//7100/world.topo.bathy.200401.3x21600x21600.A2.jpg
[06:16] <desrt> does anyone's firefox crash when trying to view this?
[06:16] <desrt> The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[06:16] <desrt> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[06:17] <minghua> desrt: I get "The image ... cannot be displayed, because it contains errors"
[06:17] <desrt> my firefox just pukes
[06:18] <desrt> eog opens it just fine
[06:19] <minghua> desrt: nah.  eog here doesn't seem to work either.  it just hangs
[06:20] <minghua> just a data point for you
[06:20] <desrt> wfm.
[06:20] <desrt> perhaps you didn't download it correctly
[06:21] <desrt> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321581
[06:21] <desrt> looks like this bug
[06:21] <Ubugtu> mozilla bug 321581 in General "large image crashes firefox" [Critical,New]  
[06:22] <desrt> Ubugtu; have a botsnack
[06:23] <shawn_home> Ubugtu, bot snack
[06:23] <shawn_home> its not an infobot;)
[06:24] <minghua> I have sha1sum 489efd5349b4e7d9fb307686d282f083127e87e7 for that jpeg file
[07:07] <Burgundavia> wow, Vista not booting on Intel Mac is getting people talking
[07:10] <LaserJock> cool, I sure hope to try Dapper soon :)
[07:14] <LaserJock> I'm having quite a bit of difficulties with my intel iMac with anything other than offical Apple stuff
[07:27] <desrt> so..... my X server causes a kernel panic when it starts up
[07:28] <desrt> this is new.
[07:31] <desrt> infinity; i think it's the new fglrx
[07:36] <desrt> infinity; seems it causes a kernel panic if the X server exits quickly
[07:36] <desrt> infinity; does not occur with open source drivers
[07:38] <calc> so use good non binary only crap :)
[08:11] <CarlFK> dapper, 3 vga cards: 1agp, 2 pci.  what defiens which one ends up as the primary? 
[08:11] <CarlFK> it is one of the pci, which seems odd
[08:16] <enyc> moo meep
[10:10] <Kamion> calc: I asked Mark that yesterday evening; in the event that we do go for a delayed release, then we'll probably shorten the next three release cycles by two weeks each to compensate
[10:11] <siretart> Kamion: will the delay affect the date of the developers conference for dapper+1?
[10:11] <Kamion> siretart: yes
[10:12] <Kamion> and "would the delay ..." - subjunctive mood is appropriate since it's not settled yet :)
[10:12] <siretart> right
[10:13] <Burgundavia> 6 weeks is June 1st
[10:22] <robotgeek> minghua: sorry about confusion
[11:26] <doko> good morning
[11:29] <mdke> morning
[11:36] <mdke> do xubuntu and ubuntu-server count as "derivatives"?
[11:36] <Mithrandir> xubuntu does, at least.  Unsure about -server.
[11:36] <mdke> it's time to update the derivatives page on the website, I think
[11:36] <Mithrandir> Kamion: speaking of which, should we have a flight-5 for u-s as well?
[11:40] <mdke> there is basically no information about ubuntu-server on the website, so I might include it too
[11:41] <sladen> mdke: this for the book?
[11:42] <sladen> mdke: it's just another subset of packages... but I think Fabio has plans for it to be more
[11:42] <mdke> no, for the website.
[11:43] <mdke> there is a CD, so I think it should be visible
[11:43] <sladen> I guess a difference might be that nothing /extra/ was imported into 'main' to build -server.  Whereas with K/Edu/X-, extra packages have been imported in order to make them possible
[11:44] <mdke> possibly, but they are all in main now
[11:44] <mdke> except for xubuntu, at present
[11:45] <mdke> but there is no real good information about ubuntu-server even on the wiki, except for the ServerFaq page...
[11:47] <mdke> tricky
[11:48] <sladen> it's just a way to get your apt-cache pre-populated with most of the common LAMP programs you'd wan
[11:49] <mdke> well kubuntu is also like that
[11:50] <mdke> ditto the localised isos
[11:51] <Riddell> there's a different server linux build I believe
[11:53] <Kamion> Mithrandir: theoretically but only if folks have time to test it etc.
[11:53] <Kamion> sladen: that's not true
[11:53] <Kamion> sladen: I've certainly promoted stuff just for -server
[11:54] <sladen> Kamion: ooh, okay.  This would be useful to know;  do you remember anything in particular---I can add it to the wiki if you do
[11:55] <Kamion> ipvsadm and keepalived recently
[11:55] <Kamion> let's see if I can get a bigger list from germinate
[11:57] <mdke> how about this: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/derivatives
[11:58] <mdke> perhaps it is a little early for xubuntu to be in "supported"
[11:58] <Kamion> ltsp-utils and the -server kernels are the other things that are germinated only by ubuntu-server seeds
[11:59] <Kamion> xubuntu will receive security support but not technical support (the latter at least not by Canonical, although if somebody else steps up to guarantee an SLA then that would obviously be great)
[11:59] <Kamion> we're still thrashing out the details, hence the delay in promotion
[11:59] <mdke> i'll put it in "other" for now, maybe
[11:59] <Kamion> Gnoppix too
[12:01] <mdke> ok
[12:03] <jordi> seb128: ping
[12:03] <seb128> hi
[12:03] <seb128> jordi: not pong
[12:03] <seb128> infinity, Mithrandir: are upload still frozen?
[12:03] <jordi> seb128: so I downloaded ubuntu panel source, applied patches, no trace of "About Ubuntu" in the pot
[12:03] <Kamion> seb128: nope
[12:03] <seb128> jordi: it's in debian directory and I need to patch the po/POTFILES.in, I'll do with next upload
[12:04] <Kamion> seb128: Flight CD 5 is just pending mirroring before an announcement now
[12:04] <jordi> seb128: oh man
[12:04] <seb128> Kamion: thank you
[12:04] <seb128> Kamion: and thank you for the stable uploads accepted ;)
[12:04] <seb128> Kamion: is flight-5 available? or it has been delayed?
[12:04] <Kamion> 11:04 < Kamion> seb128: Flight CD 5 is just pending mirroring before an announcement now
[12:05] <jordi> seb128: can you do me a big favour?
[12:05] <Kamion> no problem, still a few to go but the queue is much better than it was
[12:05] <seb128> ups, sorry was typing and skipped that one
[12:05] <seb128> jordi: maybe, ask :)
[12:05] <jordi> --- ubuntu-about.desktop.orig   2006-03-11 12:05:13.631395978 +0100
[12:05] <jordi> +++ ubuntu-about.desktop        2006-03-11 12:05:20.326522715 +0100
[12:05] <jordi> -Name[ca] =Quant a Ubuntutu
[12:05] <jordi> +Name[ca] =Quant a Ubuntu
[12:05] <jordi> *that* was embarrasing
[12:05] <jordi> And it's been there for 2 releases.
[12:05] <seb128> lol
[12:06] <jordi> heh
[12:06] <seb128> I'll fix it monday with 2.14 upload, promize :)
[12:06] <jordi> 0K D00D!
[12:06] <seb128> promise rather :p
[12:07] <seb128> anyway, I don't intend to spend my saturday on IRC, just wanted to know if I can upload the ubuntulooks and gtk upload I had pending yesterday
[12:07] <seb128> see you
[12:07] <jordi> seb128: don't forget!
[12:07] <jordi> Or I will kill!
[12:07] <jordi> seb128: are you in London still?
[12:07] <jordi> any chance we'll meet?
[12:07] <seb128> jordi: no, I'm back home
[12:07] <jordi> seb128: you suck dude
[12:08] <jordi> k
[12:08] <seb128> thank you :p
[12:08] <seb128> we will probably meet at GUADEC
[12:08] <seb128> you are going to GUADEC, right?
[12:08] <jordi> seb128: don't forget or you'll break my heart!
[12:08] <jordi> yah
[12:08] <seb128> don't worry, I'll fix that :)
[12:08] <jordi> seb128: you totally missed out FOSDEM man
[12:08] <seb128> see you!
[12:08] <jordi> bye
[12:08] <seb128> yeah I know, next time
[12:08] <seb128> see you :)
[12:13] <sladen> so... did seb128 do the upload?
[12:13] <jordi> oi sladen 
[12:13] <jpatrick> on monday he said
[12:13] <jordi> sladen: are you in FI, or IUK?
[12:15] <sladen> jpatrick: oh bah, that means another 2days of eye-sore
[12:15] <sladen> jordi: I'm actually in the UK, but the wrong end of it.  Maybe I'll pop back to London at some point
[12:16] <jordi> heh
[12:34] <sladen> Kamion: ta
[01:04] <jc-denton> hi all
[01:07] <jc-denton> i'm not sure if this question is realted to this channel but i ask
[01:07] <jc-denton> why is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-March/000734.html on ubuntu-art
[01:07] <jc-denton> rather then ubuntu-devel ?
[01:09] <spacey> jc-denton: i got that mail as well, it has been sent to several lists
[01:09] <spacey> jc-denton: ubuntu-devel-announce
[01:12] <jc-denton> ok
[01:12] <jc-denton> there has been a discussion about wpa_supplicant in main
[01:12] <jc-denton> they said it's not possible to include it because it's too much work
[01:12] <Treenaks> Which, in combination with network-manager 0.6 would rock, but that's too much work
[01:13] <Treenaks> yes
[01:13] <jc-denton> with a delay of 6 weeks would this bee possible?
[01:13] <Treenaks> we'd need 1 or 2 new packages, and we'd need to sanitize the wpasupplicant packaging
[01:13] <Treenaks> AND we'd need to test a lot
[01:13] <Treenaks> maybe, but not likely
[01:14] <Pygi> well, you can start packagin'/testing it for dapper+1 after all
[01:14] <Treenaks> oh sure
[01:15] <Pygi> that way we have a lot more time to test
[01:15] <jc-denton> my school's wlan requires wpa_supplicant
[01:15] <Treenaks> jc-denton: yes, but you can still run it
[01:15] <jc-denton> and if dapper will be used in commercial environments it would be good for it
[01:15] <jc-denton> yes
[01:15] <Treenaks> jc-denton: you just won't be able to get it from _main_ and use network-manager to manage it
[01:15] <Treenaks> that's all
[01:15] <jc-denton> but try to explain how to an average user
[01:15] <jc-denton> :D
[01:15] <Treenaks> it still works
[01:16] <Treenaks> jc-denton: easier than explaining why it's broken for his chipset with all kinds of new untested packages
[01:18] <jc-denton> yes but the trouble with drivers on linux is not ubuntu's problem
[01:18] <spacey> jc-denton: i would say bring it up for discussion in that upcoming townhall meeting
[01:18] <jc-denton> i think
[01:18] <jc-denton> i cannot go to these meetings
[01:18] <spacey> wpa is quite essential these days
[01:19] <jc-denton> but shall i ask again on #ubuntu-devel?
[01:20] <spacey> jc-denton: you already did :P better put it to discussion on a mailinglist
[01:20] <spacey> wider audience that way
[01:20] <spacey> easy to miss something on irc:)
[01:21] <jc-denton> lol
[01:21] <jc-denton> err i mean on the ubuntu-devel mailing list?
[01:22] <spacey> why not, although i'm not a dev:P
[01:23] <jc-denton> me neither
[01:23] <spacey> well can't hurt right ;P
[01:23] <spacey> if you don't take a shot you always miss :P
[02:09] <Kamion> http://www.xanna.org/images/silly/zoobuntu.png
[02:09] <Kamion> (taken in our living room)
[02:09] <Lathiat> are the daily images not being generated?
[02:09] <Lathiat> (kubuntun notably)
[02:09] <Kamion> http://xanna.livejournal.com/51821.html in fact
[02:09] <Kamion> Lathiat: no
[02:10] <Kamion> Lathiat: we always turn them off when preparing Flight releases
[02:10] <elkbuntu> ok, if that is not the cover of the cd cases for dapper, i'm switching back to windows :P
[02:10] <Lathiat> hrm i was hopign to get an install cd with that cupsys bug fixed
[02:10] <Lathiat> since kubuntu flight5 isnt being done for a week
[02:10] <Lathiat> can you do a kubuntu run?
[02:10] <elkbuntu> thats just so cute, Kamion
[02:11] <_lemsx1_> Kamion: nice image. very good for "ubuntu kids"
[02:11] <elkbuntu> or "ubuntu inner-kids" ;)
[02:12] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I suspect we can turn on dailies again now?
[02:13] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: I can build you one, sure
[02:17] <Surak> Hello, does someone have a screenshot of dapper's new orange color scheme? I didn't find in archives now
[02:21] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: cheers
[02:22] <Kamion> Mithrandir: sure, done
[02:25] <raphink-pbook> wow the openoffice deps are all broken!!!
[02:25] <raphink-pbook> taht's a mess
[02:25] <Kamion> huh? installs fine for me
[02:25] <Kamion> which exact package are you talking about?
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> well look
[02:26] <raphink-pbook>  $ sudo dpkg -r language-support-en
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of language-support-en:
[02:26] <raphink-pbook>  openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb depends on openoffice.org-core (>> 2.0.2) | language-support-en; however:
[02:26] <raphink-pbook>   Package openoffice.org-core is not installed.
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> and more
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> but then
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> $ sudo dpkg -r openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb:
[02:26] <raphink-pbook>  language-support-en depends on openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb.
[02:26] <Pygi> you needed to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> this looks like a loop dependency
[02:26] <Pygi> raphink: look up :)
[02:26] <Kamion> oh, new openoffice.org-l10n needs new openoffice.org I guess
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> Pygi: doesn't do anything
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> and I can't install kubuntu-desktop
[02:26] <Kamion> shrug, should be fixed soon, doko uploaded openoffice.org not long ago
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> cause it has lots of conflicts around
[02:26] <raphink-pbook> ok
[02:26] <Kamion> leave it alone and go do something else on Saturday :-)
[02:27] <raphink-pbook> hehe
[02:27] <Pygi> Kamion: hehe ;)
[02:27] <raphink-pbook> well I need some tools that didn't get upgraded in kubuntu-desktop
[02:27] <raphink-pbook> so I'll have to install them as standalone
[02:27] <jpatrick> raphink-pbook: Riddell has to updat k-d-s I think
[02:27] <raphink-pbook> since kubuntu-desktop is not installable
[02:27] <Kamion> so do so for now
[02:27] <raphink-pbook> jpatrick: w/ openoffice?
[02:27] <jpatrick> yes
[02:27] <raphink-pbook> well at least if it's a known issue that's good
[02:29] <Kamion> doko: all I can say is I'm glad I didn't accept openoffice.org-l10n past NEW while Flight 5 was still in preparation :-P
[02:29] <jpatrick> raphink-pbook: I did poke him a few days a go on it....
[02:30] <raphink-pbook> Kamion: hehe :)
[02:30] <raphink-pbook> jpatrick: ok
[02:30] <doko> Kamion: yes, but we talk on #irc about it
[02:31] <Kamion> I've just looked over our discussion and it wasn't at all clear that I should avoid processing those packages
[02:32] <Kamion> I only avoided doing so out of paranoia
[02:32] <Kamion> oh well
[02:32] <doko> anyway, then the current build should finish quickly ...
[03:05] <Seveas> who broke the openoffice help again? 
[03:07] <Seveas> ah, I see it already 
[03:07] <Pygi> nobody broke it ;) just the new OO is there with some unresolved deps (conflicts) I suppose ;)
[03:08] <Seveas> yeah
[03:08] <Seveas> it's not as bad as what some users do
[03:08] <Pygi> hehe ;)
[03:08] <Seveas> $someone just installed libstdc++ from debian
[03:08] <Seveas> and then apt-get -f install
[03:08] <Seveas> half the system was removed
[03:09] <Pygi> buh, no good :-S
[03:09] <Seveas> And still people think I'm overreacting when I say mixing debian and ubuntu repos is a recipe for disaster 
[03:09] <elkbuntu> i dont :)
[03:10] <Pygi> Seveas: bah, same thing with RPM's....people use RPM from different distros, and when they experience dependency hells, then they argue ;)
[03:10] <Seveas> that even happens with rpms from the same distro
[03:10] <Seveas> rpm is just [non-COC-compliant-comment-censored] 
[03:10] <Aegir`> I've had that when they've installed large pieces of software, like OpenOffice.org2 via Alien, and come complaining to me that their system is half trashed.
[03:10] <Pygi> Seveas: btw. if I am not mistaken we have libstdc++ in our repos as well? well, ok, RPM was a bad example ;)
[03:10] <Aegir`> Somtimes I wish I never brought my Ubuntu laden laptop to school...
[03:11] <Seveas> hehe
[03:11] <Seveas> well, oo.O-help in dapper is quite busted now too
[03:11] <Seveas> waiting for other builds to finish
[03:11] <Aegir`> This was in Breezy ;)
[03:12] <Pygi> Seveas: the greatest bug for now in dapper is the gtk theme ;)
[03:12] <elkbuntu> Seveas, the situation would be alot easier if people didnt keep 'suggesting' dist-upgrade to anyone who wants to know why package x doesnt work
[03:12] <elkbuntu> and i'm not talking within #ubuntu+1 either
[03:12] <Aegir`> After he got yelled at by two or three different people, he removed the alien converted packages, and surprise surprise, everything worked again. Now we just have to convince him to ditch his dodgy 802.11b card that causes his entire notebook to freeze (Using ndiswrapper), then he'll be just about sorted...
[03:12] <Seveas> Pygi, not a bug - design issue
[03:13] <elkbuntu> the colors scare me
[03:13] <Pygi> Seveas: yes, I know ;) just using bug as a phrase ;)
[03:13] <Seveas> Pygi, no single theme will please everyone - I hope the discussions will move to sounder
[03:14] <Pygi> Seveas: yup, true, but still...ah, well, you can suggest that..and see if people will listen ;)
[03:14] <Seveas> they won't
[03:14] <Pygi> Seveas: bah, ok, lemme try then ^^
[03:14] <Seveas> I've been on a crusade lately in -dapper to send people to the right places, helps marginally
[03:14] <Seveas> -devel*
[03:15] <Pygi> yup, I'll try to tell them now
[03:15] <Pygi> yes, yes, I saw that you are on crusade ;)
[03:19] <Pygi> Seveas: there...perphaps it will help ;)
[04:34] <iceman> ok, installed ubuntu live dapper, tried to reboot, and at grub i get a error 14 ? help 
[04:35] <coyctecm> so dapper will be late?
[04:35] <iceman>  ok, installed ubuntu live dapper, tried to reboot, and at grub i get a error 14 ? help 
[04:36] <Pygi> iceman, not twice ;)
[04:36] <iceman> np 
[04:36] <iceman> i will try a reinstall .... 
[04:39] <iceman> well whats error 14 mean ? 
[04:40] <Pygi>  Filesystem compatibility error
[04:41] <iceman> Pygi just upgraded from breezy to dappey wonder why thet would happen ? 
[04:41] <Pygi> Some of the filesystem reading code in GRUB has limits on the length of the files it can read. This error is returned when the user runs into such a limit. 
[04:42] <Pygi> what DS are you using?
[04:42] <Pygi> FS*
[04:42] <iceman> sounds like the formating of the harddrive, might need to wipe it completly before installing dapper
[04:42] <Pygi> hm, perhaps
[04:42] <iceman> fs will be base for live cd, ext2 or ext3 ... 
[04:43] <iceman> Linux gets funny on the quick format it does .... had that as issues in moving from distro to distro before ... 
[04:44] <Pygi> ;)
[04:44] <iceman> well i'll try 1 more reboot, then toast the drive ... full install ... first i'll full format ... 
[04:47] <coyctecm> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-March/000734.html
[04:48] <coyctecm> that really sounds good :)
[04:53] <JustinLynn> coyctecm> thanks for the heads up regarding the proposal. I for one am in agreement with our SABDFL.
[04:54] <coyctecm> ok
[04:55] <JustinLynn> coyctecm> will this affect the release schedule of dapper+1 ?
[04:56] <coyctecm> I don't know, im not right person to ask that, sorry
[04:57] <elkbuntu> i heard someone adamently claim earlier that it would not
[04:57] <Pygi> anyone except Matt that can actually change this page? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5
[04:57] <Pygi> elkbuntu: yup, it shouldn't move the dapper+1 deadline
[04:57] <elkbuntu> i would even have the specific convo in logs, if youse want more beef of the convo
[04:58] <Amaranth> so if dapper gets pushed back 6 weeks dapper+1 only has 4 1/2 months
[04:59] <Pygi> yes, but most likely dapper+1 won't be supported for that much years...not sure tho
[04:59] <Amaranth> take a month off of that for bugfixing and you've got 3 1/2 months to add new stuff
[04:59] <Pygi> amaranth: and what do you want? to release it "AS IS" and get a bunch of trolling about why the system, deps, or anything else doesn't work? :P
[05:00] <Pygi> we have enough beavers already as it is
[05:00] <Amaranth> Pygi: no, i'm saying push dapper+1 back too
[05:00] <Pygi> Amaranth: maybe...but that would cause a glimpse in dapper release cycles
[05:01] <Pygi> you'll see how many beavers we will have around when they hear about this
[05:01] <elkbuntu> they'd be better off limiting the amount of change in dapper+
[05:01] <elkbuntu> making it a small advance
[05:02] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: dapper was supposed to be that
[05:02] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: dapper+1 is supposed to be the one where we get to do crazy things again :P
[05:02] <Pygi> amaranth: I disagree...dapper is supposed to be most supported and stable with as much extra features as possible
[05:02] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, and so they should learn from their mistakes. it's all fine being ambitious, but ambitions take time
[05:02] <Pygi> amaranth: we cant build dapper+1 on top of dapper, if dapper is not good enough
[05:03] <elkbuntu> Pygi, if they had have stuck with the smaller changes and done them well, then the base would have been good enough
[05:04] <Pygi> well, we have done that with server release....but desktop needed a bit of changes, well just to be...a lil' different ;)
[05:05] <elkbuntu> Pygi, orange is certainly... different
[05:05] <Lathiat> mjg59: ping
[05:05] <Pygi> elkbuntu: bah, if you saw my post on -devel list, then you know what I think about it ;)
[05:06] <elkbuntu> Pygi, i'm not a fan of lists. the only one i'm on is accessibility
[05:07] <Pygi> hm, sec then pls
[05:07] <elkbuntu> pygi and only cos i made them an info bot
[05:07] <elkbuntu> Pygi, i wouldnt have bothered with the list if not for that fact
[05:07] <Pygi> hehe ;)
[05:08] <coyctecm> orange is better than brown. 
[05:09] <elkbuntu> Pygi, well, from the average user point of view, the aesthetics are going to be the noticable changes
[05:09] <Pygi> yup, but not everybody like the same looks
[05:09] <elkbuntu> coyctecm, orange yes, better... but sunglasses should be optional, not necissary ;)
[05:10] <coyctecm> elkbuntu: :D 
[05:10] <elkbuntu> the bright orange square on the desk grid is irking me
[05:10] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, it's 3am i should head to bed
[05:10] <Pygi> elkbuntu: k, good night....
[05:11] <JustinLynn> elkbuntu> our future's so bright, we have to wear shades... :)
[05:12] <coyctecm> actually almost everybody change defaults 
[05:12] <elkbuntu|snoring> JustinLynn, i still stand by 'optional, not necissarily
[05:12] <elkbuntu|snoring> coyctecm, i'm opposite to everybody. only thing i change is the wallpaper
[05:12] <JustinLynn> elkbuntu> i agree... just couldn't resist :)
[05:12] <coyctecm> and what ever color is chosen there is always people who doesn't like it :)
[05:13] <elkbuntu|snoring> coyctecm, retina health, dear, retina health
[05:13] <coyctecm> elkbuntu|snoring: :)
[05:13] <Pygi> there is a modified version of that theme, not to look so bright...but anyway, this is not good channel for this...
[05:13] <Pygi> perhaps go to #ubuntu-art or #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[05:13] <tseng> #dapper-look
[05:13] <elkbuntu|snoring> Pygi, the modified i have now, but there's still the occasional BRIGHT
[05:13] <Pygi> thanks tseng ;)
[05:14] <elkbuntu|snoring> i trust that i am not the only one dissatisfied, and my typing is bearing the brunt of time, so i really am off now
[05:19] <ogra_> jdub, around ? 
[05:22] <KaiL_> why is default fr .deb files in dapper to open them with archive manager and not with .deb-Installer?
[05:31] <Pygi> KaiL: because maybe someone doesn't want to install that package? :-/
[05:44] <Iceman> well live cd installer sucks still ... 
[05:44] <Iceman> for dapper
[05:44] <Pygi> Iceman: what happened*
[05:44] <Pygi> ?
[05:45] <Iceman> grub gives a error 15 after reboot
[05:47] <Iceman> Sucks having to reinstall.... now on Winblows .... ubuntu dead ... i'll get the install cd and re-install 
[05:47] <Pygi> heh, I didn't got that
[05:47] <Iceman> Live cd installed and ran great, but the installer sucked ... Grub gives a error 15 .. file not found error after reboot 
[05:48] <Pygi> But I'll testing the 10.3. daily build today/tommorow
[05:48] <Pygi> so I'll see what happens
[05:49] <Iceman> no biggie, my bag for trying the live cd, but posting the info, and sharing the issues, helps it improve .. 
[05:49] <Pygi> yup, thanks for that ^^
[05:49] <Pygi> did the install cd (10.3 build) worked for you well?
[05:49] <Iceman> i'll burn the iso for the install cd, and get myself out of Virus vurnalable winblows ... 
[05:50] <Iceman> lol :) 
[05:50] <Pygi> do you have install cd 10.3. cd iso? 
[05:50] <Pygi> what's now funny?
[05:51] <Iceman> downloading the daily iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[05:51] <Iceman> 10-Mar-2006 08:58  668M  Install CD for PC (Intel x86)
[05:51] <Pygi> k, good ;)
[05:51] <Iceman> take it thats the 10/3 iso 
[05:52] <Iceman> march 10th iso ... 10 / 3 .. now i follow it 
[05:52] <Pygi> please do tell me how it works, ok?
[05:52] <Iceman> no problem about 4 hours tell i get the full iso downloaded ... lol 
[05:52] <Pygi> k, read pm
[05:53] <Iceman> Wish someone woud fix the ubuntu video installer ... 
[05:54] <Iceman> Installing ubuntu ... any version on a Dell System, always have to install using the bios set to the Dell onboard, then reconfigure the drivers and the bios to use a nvidia card... dell does not allow full disable of the video in the bios 
[05:54] <mjg59> Lathiat: Hi
[05:55] <mjg59> Lathiat: Ok, I finally have time to test it today. Just going to grab an appropriate machine.
[05:56] <wasabi> Hmm. My Ubuntu install is missing a mounted usbfs by default.
[05:56] <wasabi> That normal?
[05:56] <Lathiat> mjg59: haha
[05:56] <Lathiat> mjg59: howd you guess? ;p
[05:56] <mjg59> I'm a smart guy
[05:56] <Lathiat> evidently :)
[05:56] <Lathiat> got the email?
[05:56] <wasabi> Yeah, new dapper is missing it.
[05:56] <wasabi> SUp with that?
[05:56] <mjg59> (I've also just been handed an Intel Mac Mini. My life is getting increasingly odd)
[05:56] <Lathiat> mjg59: hehe
[05:57] <Iceman> wow 3 hours 19 min to get the iso for dapper install cd ... 
[05:57] <ajmitch> morning
[05:57] <Lathiat> mjg59: basically want to knwo if those settings are over sensitive on synaptics, if they are we need to hack somethign in, fi not we can just change the defaults
[05:57] <mjg59> Lathiat: Sure
[05:57] <Lathiat> dont suppose this has been fixed upstream?
[05:58] <Iceman> can you install daily updates for dapper 
[06:03] <Lathiat> mjg59: hrm, i just tried 0.14.4 and it works fine
[06:03] <Lathiat> mjg59: i notice an off-by-one bugfix in the changelog
[06:03] <Lathiat> might be it
[06:03] <Lathiat> ahve to look closer i guess
[06:03] <Lathiat> we have 0.14.3
[06:03] <Lathiat> hrm that fix was in .3
[06:07] <mjg59> Lathiat: Ok, that's unusably fast
[06:07] <Lathiat> mjg59: interestingly i just compiled upstreams 0.14.3 which works fine
[06:07] <Lathiat> (same versons as ours)
[06:07] <mjg59> Lathiat: Hrm.
[06:07] <Lathiat> just diffing
[06:07] <mjg59> Lathiat: Ok, in that case you get to play check the diff :)
[06:11] <Lathiat> ..
[06:11] <Lathiat> no differences
[06:11] <mjg59> Hm
[06:11] <Lathiat> ther eis some makefile changes
[06:11] <mjg59> Wonder if it's some change in a header...
[06:11] <mjg59> What happens if you rebuild the debian package?
[06:11] <Lathiat> just changing paths and stuff
[06:11] <Lathiat> mjg59: that didnt help last time
[06:11] <mjg59> (And you've undone your xorg.conf changes for testing, right?)
[06:11] <Lathiat> but i was just tryign that again
[06:11] <Lathiat> mjg59: yeh
[06:12] <mjg59> Presumably we just need different defaults for alps and synaptics?
[06:12] <Lathiat> including re-checking its broken on the package
[06:12] <mjg59> If all else fails we can bodge it
[06:12] <Lathiat> mjg59: odd thign is it works in new upstream..
[06:12] <Lathiat> but yeh
[06:12] <Lathiat> we can
[06:12] <Lathiat> rebuild doesnt help
[06:13] <mjg59> Lathiat: So upstream works, but ours doesn't?
[06:13] <Lathiat> right
[06:13] <Lathiat> and no .c or .h differences 
[06:13] <mjg59> Can you copy the debian directory into the upstream source and build it?
[06:13] <Lathiat> some changes to the build stuff tho
[06:14] <mjg59> Then see what happens
[06:14] <Lathiat> well
[06:14] <Lathiat> dunno
[06:14] <Lathiat> theres some file and path changes in the diff
[06:14] <Lathiat> can only try i guess
[06:16] <Lathiat> right
[06:16] <Lathiat> that works
[06:16] <mjg59> Ha
[06:16] <Lathiat> hrm that was on 0.14.4 tho
[06:16] <mjg59> Hm
[06:16] <Lathiat> let me try .3 hangon
[06:16] <mjg59> Thanks
[06:16] <Lathiat> (.3 works manually compiled)
[06:16] <Lathiat> let me try debianize it
[06:16] <Lathiat> must be the build system changes
[06:16] <Lathiat> somehow messing it up
[06:19] <mjg59> Yeah
[06:19] <mjg59> Weird
[06:21] <_lemsx1_> can somebody tell me why gnome-terminal seems to go back to the first 22 or so characters for every character i type (on dapper)
[06:22] <_lemsx1_> using the same .bashrc, .bash_profile on a remote computer (in the same gnome-terminal screen) shows the cursor just fine
[06:22] <_lemsx1_> oh, and xterm works fine locally or remotely
[06:36] <Lathiat> mjg59: found the offending change
[06:37] <Lathiat> mjg59: no idea hwo it causes that
[06:37] <Lathiat> but the change from LD to CC
[06:37] <Lathiat> and -sahred -module
[06:37] <Lathiat> and to a .so file
[06:37] <Lathiat> makes it slow
[06:38] <mjg59> Lathiat: Now that's utterly fucked
[06:38] <Lathiat> mjg59: oh yeh :)
[06:38] <mjg59> Christ. Uhm, can you ask daniels about that?
[06:38] <mjg59> He knows a lot more about the X module loader than I do
[06:39] <Lathiat> i'll drop him an email
[06:40] <Lathiat> mjg59: notably
[06:40] <Lathiat> if i leave it as a .o
[06:40] <Lathiat> and with LD
[06:40] <Lathiat> and -r
[06:40] <Lathiat> it run fine
[06:40] <Lathiat> any idea why that change would have been made?
[06:41] <mjg59> I think we standardised on .sos
[06:46] <Lathiat> hrm no diff
[06:47] <Seveas> Who's the new Ubuntu X guru now daniels is gone?
[06:47] <mjg59> Seveas: A good question
[06:47] <Seveas> hmm, I didn't expect that answer 
[06:47] <simira> has he quit X totally now?
[06:47] <Seveas> too bad 
[06:47] <simira> probably seb, if my guess is right?
[06:47] <mjg59> simira: He's pretty busy in Helsinki right now
[06:48] <Seveas> he flooded malone yesterday getting rid of all bugs assigned to him 
[06:48] <simira> mjg59: I'd guess. 
[06:54] <Lathiat> hrm
[06:54] <Lathiat> is it worth emailign him about it then?
[06:54] <Lathiat> mjg59: whats he doign in helsinki?
[06:54] <mjg59> Lathiat: Working for Nokia
[06:54] <mjg59> But yeah, it's worth emailing him to see if he has any ideas
[06:57] <Lathiat> time for bed
[07:01] <mjg59> Lathiat: Ah. When you build the .o, is it actually /loading/ the synaptics driver?
[07:01] <mjg59> Or just falling back to ps2?
[07:02] <Lathiat> mjg59: i was just wondering that
[07:02] <Lathiat> mjg59: and daniels just relpied witht he same thing ;p
[07:05] <Lathiat> mjg59: heh indeed it doesnt.. ;p
[07:05] <mjg59> Lathiat: Right, that would explain things
[07:05] <Lathiat> back to square 1
[07:06] <mjg59> So we probably need to change the code to have different defaults depending on the pad type. Sigh.
[07:06] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:06] <Lathiat> woot
[07:07] <Lathiat> hrm actually
[07:07] <Lathiat> mm, yeh it will load a .so
[07:07] <Lathiat> err, .o
[07:07] <Lathiat> but not from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input which is where it puts it by default
[07:07] <Lathiat> if it loads it from /usr/lbi/xorg/modules/input then its slow again
[07:08] <mjg59> Right
[07:35] <zyga> hello
[07:41] <soumyadip> hi I installed mozilla-imagezoom, and the problem is that neither did it install properly, nor is it being removed, due to some bug in the postinst script
[07:41] <soumyadip> as a result of which my dpkg is borked
[07:41] <soumyadip> what can I do to force the removal ?
[07:42] <soumyadip> I tried dpkg -r --force-all mozilla-imagezoom to no avail
[07:42] <zyga> soumyadip: --force--help, or just remove the postrm script
[07:42] <zyga> soumyadip: but this kind of question usualy goes to #ubuntu
[07:43] <soumyadip> zyga: didn't quite understand the "remove the postrm script" part
[07:43] <soumyadip> zyga: ya well, I asked  there too, no responses, people seem to busy with Xgl
[07:43] <zyga> soumyadip: remove the post-remove script that fails, it's in /var/dpkg/ somewhere
[07:43] <zyga> or just fix it if the change is trivial
[07:44] <soumyadip> ah ok, zyga thanks for the tip
[07:44] <zyga> good luck
[07:44] <soumyadip> I'll look around the script, if I can manage to make any headway I'll probably file a bug with a patch
[07:44] <zyga> soumyadip: that's the spirit :-)
[07:45] <zyga> soumyadip: /var/lib/dpkg/info
[07:46] <zyga> look for package-name.postrm or .prerm
[07:48] <soumyadip> zyga: uh this looks really bad
[07:49] <soumyadip> zyga: soumyadip@collabgate:~$ ls /var/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/extensions -l
[07:49] <soumyadip> total 0
[07:49] <soumyadip> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 64 2006-03-12 04:37 installed-extensions.txt -> /var/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/extensions/installed-extensions.txt
[07:50] <soumyadip> it seems that the symbolic link is pointing to itself
[07:51] <zyga> I don't really know how extensions are packaged but that's not really good to point to yourself in a filesystem
[07:51] <soumyadip> yup, and that is the reason dpkg is borking
[07:51] <soumyadip> let me see who's maintaining thunderbird
[07:55] <soumyadip> how do I find out which package installed a particular file ?
[07:56] <zyga> dpkg-query -S /path/to/file
[07:58] <soumyadip> thanks a ton zyga
[07:58] <zyga> cheers
[07:59] <soumyadip> gaah !! dpkg: /var/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/extensions/installed-extensions.txt not found
[07:59] <soumyadip> where did that symlink come from ???
[07:59] <zyga> a script has created it probably
[07:59] <zyga> too bad that's not covered by dpkg's tracking mechanism
[08:00] <soumyadip> anyway, I got my dpkg back in shape
[08:01] <soumyadip> now to go looking for the bug
[08:10] <soumyadip> ok I filed a bug in Malone
[08:10] <soumyadip> #34490
[08:25] <soumyadip> can anyone tell me how to choose which locales to generate ? dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't seem to do the trick
[08:26] <soumyadip> I mean I can always hand call locale-gen, but that isn't very elegant
[08:33] <soumyadip> brb
[09:27] <ompaul> Pygi, one guesses longevtiy
[09:28] <Pygi> ompaul: ah
[09:29] <Pygi> ompaul: 3.3. or 3.4 is much better option :-/
[09:30] <ompaul> for 5 years?
[09:32] <Seveas> 4.0 is good
[09:32] <Seveas> it's much stricter
[09:32] <Seveas> stricter is better
[09:37] <lamont> pdftoepdf.cc:35:32: error: poppler/UGooString.h: No such file or directory
[09:45] <doko> infinity, Kinnison, lamont: please requeue openoffice.org on i386, sparc, powerpc
[09:46] <mgalvin> Mithrandir: ping?
[09:46] <Mithrandir> mgalvin: pong
[09:48] <mgalvin> Mithrandir: not sure if you know but digg.com jumped the gun a bit... it was suggested that i make a note on the flight5 review stating that it has not been released yet... any opinon?
[09:48] <Mithrandir> mgalvin: let's rather just release it. :-)
[09:48] <mgalvin> or do we know when it will be release
[09:48] <mgalvin> ok :)
[09:49] <Pygi> Mithrandir: there are a lot of issues around that...
[09:49] <Mithrandir> Pygi: around what?
[09:49] <desrt> does anyone get a problem with the wobbly compiz plugin where once they stop moving a window it won't retain its original shape until you move the mouse around a bit more?
[09:49] <Mithrandir> well, I've just been busy this afternoon and waiting for the image to sync, so.
[09:49] <mgalvin> i want to update the screenshots but its not to big a deal
[09:49] <Pygi> Mithrandir: well, that page stating that Flight5 is out ;)
[09:49] <desrt> ie: it freezes in its deformed shape until you give some more input events
[09:49] <desrt> i thought it was just me but a friend has it too now (different video cards, even)
[09:49] <Pygi> Mithrandir: ok, so what will we do? just release flight5?
[09:50] <Mithrandir> Pygi: it's released, just not announced.
[09:50] <Pygi> Mithrandir: ah, ok :-/
[09:51] <mgalvin> Mithranddir: did the new ubuntulooks (with the more brownish color (0.9.5-1)) make it on the flight 5 cd?
[09:52] <tseng> mgalvin: no.
[09:52] <mgalvin> tseng: ok thanks, i am not gonna worry about the screenshot then :)
[09:54] <Mithrandir> mgalvin: live, yes, install, no.
[09:54] <Mithrandir> iirc.
[09:54] <tseng> Mithrandir: live looked very orange to me
[09:55] <Mithrandir> tseng: seb did sneak in some theme fixes, not sure if they were de-oranged.
[09:55] <tseng> yeah, he fixed some bugs
[09:55] <tseng> like openoffice menus
[09:55] <tseng> i still didnt see de-oranging go by
[09:56] <Mithrandir> ok
[09:56] <mgalvin> ok, i am d/l'ing the cd now, so if it did get in i could always just quickly retake and swap the screenshots
[09:56] <mgalvin> no biggie
[09:57] <tseng> he did upload, but 6:30am my time
[09:58] <molinero> :D
[10:08] <nictuku> I wonder how can I suppress apt_pkg (python) messages when instantiating a cache class. I tried redirect stdout and stderr, with no success
[10:21] <Mithrandir> http://err.no/tmp/flight5.txt ; if people could read through it and point out any omissions, errors, etc, I'd appreciate it.
[10:25] <Treenaks> \o/ less orange :P
[10:26] <KaiL_> Pygi, (about .deb mime handling) well, that's nice - but the archive manager doesn't know anything to do with those files afaik
[10:26] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir: the first paragraph is kind of weak. I would say "Flight 5, the latest alpha of Dapper Drake, is available. These releases are tested to be reasonably free of show stopper bugs, but are obiviously still alpha quality, so do not use these on your production systems. You can download the Flight 5 cd here:
[10:27] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: it's more or less a C&P from Colin's f4 announce, but sure, I'll fix that.
[10:27] <Pygi> Kail_: agreed...but don't you think that one might click it by accident, and install it? :-/
[10:27] <Pygi> and how would it do? invoke dpkg -i?
[10:28] <KaiL_> gdebi? ;)
[10:28] <KaiL_> which is btw. in the list of apps to handle this - but only on second place
[10:29] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir: I think my rewording makes its clear what is actually available, while not losing the "this may break" caveat
[10:29] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: sure, fixed.
[10:29] <Mithrandir> (in my local copy)
[10:30] <Pygi> Kail_;hm, well... Don't you think it's easier to explain to Joe Average why it does this way, and doesn't install it automaticly?
[10:30] <Pygi> and what would a user do when some disputes arise? :-/
[10:30] <Pygi> we are talking about regular user
[10:30] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: flight5.txt updated too
[10:30] <KaiL_> Pygi, if we have gdebi, we should use it
[10:31] <Kamion> Mithrandir: (dodgy line-wrapping, if you care)
[10:31] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir: cool, thanks
[10:31] <KaiL_> and not start some tool, which doesn't know, what kind of file this is
[10:31] <KaiL_> oh, sorry, it can
[10:31] <KaiL_> ... but doesn't give any usefull result
[10:31] <Kamion> because not everyone works in a "foo sucks" / "foo rocks" bipolar world?
[10:32] <KaiL_> uhm, shouldn't going to sleep lock the screen? :)
[10:32] <KaiL_> as it did in breezy
[10:32] <Mithrandir> Kamion: pasted again with line-wrapping turned off in the emacs I'm pasting into
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Kamion: indeed
[10:33] <Pygi> Kail: it's a matter of personal preference I would say
[10:36] <KaiL_> Pygi, agreed - where's the pref? ;)
[10:37] <KaiL_> for now, you can NOT lock and sleep with dapper...
[10:38] <Pygi> Kail_: Ah :-P
[10:38] <KaiL_> oh, btw. who wants a list of those "one line to fix and seperate bugreports are a waste of time and bugzilla space" bugreports? :_)
[10:39] <KaiL_> but the biggest one has only 3 letters: WPA
[10:39] <KaiL_> or is there something in the work for the last days? ;)
[10:41] <Pygi> Kail: nop, not the WPA again
[10:41] <Pygi> why are people so ignorant
[10:41] <KaiL_> ignorant?
[10:41] <KaiL_> did I miss something?
[10:42] <Pygi> no, but they were told 10000 times that WPA supplicant can't get into dapper :-P
[10:42] <KaiL_> this is - uhm - baaaad
[10:43] <Treenaks> it can go into DAPPER
[10:43] <Treenaks> just not into main
[10:43] <Treenaks> and no new network-manager
[10:43] <Pygi> yup, true ;)
[10:43] <Treenaks> just the current way of configuring
[10:44] <Pygi> but people want it in Main
[10:44] <KaiL_> bad enough...:/
[10:44] <KaiL_> Pygi, to be exact, they want it to be on the CD
[10:44] <KaiL_> as it has some very special problem: you need Internet to get Internet 
[10:50] <KaiL_> who has stolen gnomebakers icon?
[10:50] <Pygi> buh? what are you talkin' about?
[10:51] <KaiL_> gnomebaker, a CD burning tool. In breezy it had an icon
[10:53] <KaiL_> ah, there's the problem
[10:56] <jpatrick> KaiL_: working on it
[10:56] <KaiL_> jpatrick, gnomebaker?
[10:56] <KaiL_> it had afull icon path in breezy. That file is still there, but the.desktop changed
[10:58] <jpatrick> KaiL_: made a mistake gotta go now
[10:58] <KaiL_> ..that saves one bug from being reported :)
[11:35] <jdub> ogra_: pong
[11:50] <ogra_> jdub, i'd like to ship a verndor logo in edubuntu-artwork 
[11:51] <ogra_> but i dont like to let the packages conflict ...
[11:51] <ogra_> can you make it an alternative in ubuntu-artwork ? 
[11:52] <elmo> [ia64 + powerpc buildds are going down for some maintenance] 
[11:59] <Mithrandir> there, fixed NM to not crash on !utf8 essids, at least.
[12:01] <YokoZar> Hey, has the disks manager applet improved at all in Dapper over Breezy?  I started writing an old spec on it a while back that never got finished
[12:03] <YokoZar> It still needs review, and I'm not sure who to send it to at this point.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsefulDisksManagerSpec