[12:05] <fatejudger> Firefox is the ugliest slowest piece of crap ever
[12:05] <fatejudger> the Gnome people can have it for all I care
[12:05] <dumkopf> fatejudger: not a fan of Konqueror
[12:05] <fatejudger> it seems like the people who don't like Konq either haven't tried it, or are obsessed with extensions
[12:05] <fatejudger> and since the only useful extension is adblock, which is now on Konq
[12:05] <fatejudger> there should be no reason not to use Konq
[12:06] <Parkotron> My personal problem with Konqueror is that I like having my web browser separate from my file manager.
[12:06] <pvh> fatejudger: There are other reasons. I still can't log into Mantis with Konq. Google Maps doesn't work with Konq either.
[12:07] <fatejudger> pvh: google maps DOES work with Konq
[12:07] <pvh> fatejudger: Well, it didn't when I tried a few weeks ago.
[12:07] <fatejudger> pvh: you have to set your browser identification to "safari"
[12:07] <dumkopf> fatejudger: truth be told, firefox and konqueror really aren't that different-looking
[12:07] <fatejudger> dumkopf: that's like saying that KDE and Gnome look about the same
[12:08] <fatejudger> pvh: asoundrc?
[12:08] <dumkopf> fatejudger: that's silly, they're web browsers.
[12:09] <dumkopf> fatejudger: there's only so much leeway as to design
[12:09] <pvh> fatejudger: asoundrc.
[12:09] <fatejudger> dumkopf: that argument is so weak that you could make connections between any programs with that sort of logic
[12:10] <fatejudger> pvh: yes, did you pastebin it?
[12:11] <pvh> fatejudger: I pasted you the link, look above.
[12:13] <dumkopf> fatejudger: get off the high horse.  a web browser is for showing you web pages.  it has a location bar, some buttons for navigation, and it renders HTML.  that's a highly specialized description and arguing for or against one or the other on any grounds other than matter of preference is wrongheaded.
[12:14] <restlekak> is there a way to use kde apps inside compiz with xgl? (using dapper)
[12:14] <dumkopf> fatejudger: let's just start arguing about vi versus emacs, too
[12:14] <fatejudger> pvh: oh I see,  it was a a link to a forum
[12:15] <beefsprocket> dumkopf: you don't need a location bar, use links
[12:15] <zyth> So I have a weird issue.  I install Kubuntu, then my nividia drivers, all is well.  I install normal Ubuntu, then the nvidia drivers, and I get a nice 1" line on the side of screen that is white where windows will not go, but the mouse can.  Anyone ever seen anything similar before?
[12:15] <nuky> how can i find out how much disk space has been allocated to my partitions? like for /, /home, /var, swap, etc.. ?
[12:15] <dumkopf> beefsprocket: assuming you have someplace specific you want to go to.
[12:15] <fatejudger> dumkopf: if it was that easy to write a browser, there'd be dozens of popular browsers out there
[12:15] <fatejudger> dumkopf: there is more to a browser than viewing a simple text html document
[12:16] <Hobbsee> nuky: df -h -T
[12:16] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I got your page
[12:16] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I think that problem might be related to mine
[12:16] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: hmmm?  which one?
[12:16] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it's hard to tell, it was very vague
[12:16] <Hobbsee> oh, that one
[12:16] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: the sound problem
[12:16] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:16] <beefsprocket> fatejudger, dumkopf have a listen to the last lugradio, they talk about flock/firefox etc.
[12:17] <dumkopf> fatejudger: the reason there aren't more popular browsers out there is because the momentum that popular ones have, not because it's "hard" to write one.
[12:17] <nuky> mount
[12:17] <dumkopf> fatejudger: by the way, there are dozens.
[12:17] <fatejudger> dumkopf: I realize that there are dozens
[12:17] <fatejudger> dumkopf: but very few are popular
[12:17] <nuky> Hobbsee: sorry wrong window.. thanks :)
[12:17] <fatejudger> dumkopf: which if you had taken the time to read what I said, you would have noticed
[12:18] <dumkopf> fatejudger: if you want to use your own reasoning for what is "popular" then, Konqueror is definitely not it.
[12:18] <zyth> konqueror has come a long way
[12:18] <fatejudger> dumkopf: if you're talking about KHTML, then yes, it IS popular
[12:18] <zyth> I used to never used, just tried it in the new ubuntu, it works with my plugins and everything...
[12:18] <dumkopf> fatejudger: it's a market share thing, not a usability or features or sleekness thing
[12:19] <fatejudger> dumkopf: in fact, Apple's Webkit IS KTHML
[12:19] <fatejudger> dumkopf: people get market share by making a good browser
[12:19] <dumkopf> fatejudger: I wasn't talking about KHTML.  I was talking about Konqueror.  The browser that you start by pointing at the Konqueror button.
[12:19] <dumkopf> fatejudger: people get market share by being there first.
[12:19] <fatejudger> dumkopf: Konqueror uses KHTML to render pages
[12:19] <dumkopf> fatejudger: MS does not make a good browser.
[12:19] <fatejudger> dumkopf: if you're talking about Konqueror, you're talking about KHTML
[12:20] <fatejudger> dumkopf: wow, you really are dumb
[12:20] <fatejudger> dumkopf: in case you didn't realize it, IE was NOT the first browser
[12:20] <fatejudger> dumkopf: maybe you ought to get your facts straight before running your mouth
[12:21] <zyth> I got ie 1.2 with bill gates' autobiography on CD or soemthing I recall
[12:21] <zyth> years ago.. god ;) how lame of me
[12:21] <dumkopf> fatejudger: i didn't say it was the first browser.  but it IS the first browser that's installed on a PC when Joe Somebody buys it from best buy.
[12:21] <dumkopf> fatejudger: it was there first.  on his computer.  so he uses the shitty browser.
[12:22] <fatejudger> dumkopf: and what does that have anything to do with Firefox and Konqueror?
[12:22] <dumkopf> fatejudger: you should probably learn how to interpret context before building such a bad argument.
[12:22] <dumkopf> fatejudger: i was saying that popular browsers are popular NOT soleley because they're "good"
[12:23] <fatejudger> dumkopf: and what does that have to do with Konqueror and Firefox?
[12:23] <fatejudger> dumkopf: the point is, you haven't given me any reasons why Firefox is better
[12:24] <dumkopf> fatejudger: i never SAID firefox was better.  I said that firefox and konqueror are similar enough for it not to matter.
[12:24] <fatejudger> dumkopf: you can't, because people who use KDE and Firefox use it because they "feel" that they like it
[12:24] <fatejudger> dumkopf: then why not use Konqueror?
[12:24] <zyth> Firefox adheres to w3c standards, unlike IE
[12:24] <fatejudger> dumkopf: it took you extra work to download Firefox
[12:24] <fatejudger> dumkopf: I know it doesn't come with KDE
[12:24] <zyth> microsoft just kind of makes stuff up whilly nilly, that breaks compability of pages on other platforms
[12:25] <dumkopf> fatejudger: momentum.  which is the same argument for why people use IE.
[12:25] <fatejudger> dumkopf: so you're basically saying that your reason for using Firefox isn't really good at all
[12:25] <fatejudger> dumkopf: that you're using it "just because"
[12:25] <dumkopf> fatejudger: show me where i said it was a good reason :)
[12:26] <fatejudger> dumkopf: and you basically are labeling yourself just as stupid as the rest of the KDE + FIrefox users
[12:27] <dumkopf> fatejudger: i suppose i could label you as stupid and elitist as "the rest of the KDE + konqeror users", but you're the only one that's been such an ass
[12:27] <Parkotronn> As much fun as browser flame wars are, I have an unrelated IRC question.
[12:28] <dumkopf> fatejudger: the rest of them are fine to let someone who uses firefox stick to their browser.
[12:28] <beefsprocket> Parkotronn: yes, lets hear it then :)
[12:28] <fatejudger> dumkopf: that's because they know they can't sway you from your stupid illogical reasoning
[12:28] <tijn> brb
[12:29] <Parkotronn> I'm new to IRC and was just a few minutes ago signed in as Parkotron. I logged out of KDE without shutting down Konversation and when I tried to log back in I was told that my nickname is already in use.
[12:29] <dumkopf> fatejudger: no, it's probably because they're not bellicose jackasses looking to pick a fight over something trivial
[12:29] <Parkotronn> I'm pretty sure that no new user signed in as Parkotron in the 40 seconds that I was gone. How do I get my nick back.
[12:30] <fatejudger> Parkotronn: you didn't do fast user switching did you?
[12:30] <Parkotronn> Nope. Logged out and logged back in.
[12:30] <beefsprocket> Parkotronn: it happens -- when I went to type your name both your nicks showed up
[12:30] <fatejudger> Parkotronn: lol
[12:30] <fatejudger> Parkotronn: just restart
[12:30] <beefsprocket> now it is only your current one -- try logging out of irc and then backin
[12:30] <Parkotronn> Wait. Parkotron is no longer showing in the member list. Maybe there's just a timeout.
[12:31] <borelia> ./nick name
[12:31] <fatejudger> p
[12:31] <borelia> server hogs nick for a while i guess
[12:31] <fatejudger> pvh: do you use 5.1?
[12:31] <Parkotron> I'm back. And without a superfluous 'n'!
[12:33] <sophtpaw> how do i register please
[12:33] <beefsprocket> sophtpaw: try /msg nickserv help
[12:34] <sophtpaw> how do i do that?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> !register
[12:34] <ubotu> I guess register is type /msg nickserv help register (you probably should do this in the server window so that if you mess up you won't reveal your password to the whole channel :))
[12:35] <sophtpaw> where it says IDENTIFY and <password> do i respectively put my handle name and password?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> no, identify is a command, so keep that.  it already knows the handle name
[12:36] <Hobbsee> password is where you put your password, yes
[12:36] <sophtpaw> ok, thx
[12:37] <sophtpaw> in that case, as it isn't accepting my password, i have forgot it, so i'm in the ...t
[12:39] <beefsprocket> sophtpaw: find an admin -- more than 60 days without login and you can get it reset
[12:40] <sophtpaw> thx
[12:40] <sophtpaw> where do i find an admin please?
[12:40] <beefsprocket> sophtpaw: not sure, you can read the freenode website, there are some specific instructions there
[12:41] <nuky> when installing kubuntu, what's a good size for /boot? my installation hangs without it.. and i don't want to waste too much space on it..
[12:42] <chx> OMG Kompose is SO VERY COOL
[12:43] <chx> Active corners almost made me to buy a Mac, but I googled instead :)
[12:45] <Blissex> nuky: from 10MB to 100MB roughly
[12:47] <chx> i wonder, is there a page about "The reasons people like Mac -- but it's available on KDE, too" ?
[12:47] <chx> Which, of course, would include this nice little thingy called Kompose :)
[12:49] <epo> Goddamnit. I can't get Wireless to work
[12:49] <frank23> is the total virtual memory = physical memory + swap?
[12:49] <epo> If I open "Kwifimanager", I have a network (Called Tess), I turned off WEP, I get a ultimate signal, but I don't receive an IP from my router
[12:50] <epo> When I type "iwconfig" in the console, I see eth0 (being wireless) to be ok
[12:50] <epo> ifconfig gives me "eth1" and "lo", eth1 being this cable I just plug in to come to here
[12:51] <epo> I know of the command "ifup & ifdown eth1", and I can disable and enable my eth1
[12:51] <angasule> I installed lifelines and geneweb but I don't know how to use them, there's no executable, no menu entry...
[12:51] <epo> But whenI try the same with ifup eth0 it says the device is not installed
[12:51] <epo> epo@ubuntu:~$ sudo ifup eth0
[12:51] <epo> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[12:53] <dumkopf> epo: try this:
[12:53] <dumkopf> sudo ifconfig eth0 up, followed by sudo iwconfig eth0 essid Tess, and then sudo dhclient eth0
[12:54] <dumkopf> you may be associating, but not DHCPing.
[12:54] <epo> epo@ubuntu:~$ epo@ubuntu:~$ sudo ifup eth0
[12:54] <epo> bash: epo@ubuntu:~$: command not found
[12:54] <epo> epo@ubuntu:~$ Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[12:54] <epo> sorry for the paste, but this was the output
[12:55] <dumkopf> did you use `ifconfig eth0 up` ?
[12:55] <epo> I messed up before, I'll do it right this time, sorry
[12:55] <dumkopf> it also looks like ifupdown may not be installed.
[12:56] <dumkopf> is it?
[12:58] <epo> Ha! that worked
[12:58] <epo> I have 192.168.2.105 with my cable, and .104 with the wireless
[12:58] <epo> Yes, and Kwifimanager states that too
[12:58] <epo> Will it be allright if I reboot my system, or do I need those commands again? I'll save em in that case
[12:59] <sorush20> kxdocker
[12:59] <sorush20> is the best
[01:08] <rodrigo> Hey guys
[01:13] <fatejudger> !samba
[01:13] <ubotu> I heard samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[01:13] <SpookySon> hello
[01:14] <SpookySon> is anyone here?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> nope :P
[01:14] <SpookySon> good
[01:14] <SpookySon> i have a question
[01:14] <SpookySon> can you access this: www.mikeradio.co.nr
[01:14] <SpookySon> ?
[01:19] <SpookySon> so?
[01:19] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[01:20] <rodrigo> can anyone help me mount my hard drives please? :)
[01:20] <fatejudger> !samba
[01:20] <ubotu> I heard samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[01:20] <HymnToLife> rodrigo> what exactly is the problem ?
[01:21] <KaoticEvil> do i need a seperate program to mount an ISO image?
[01:21] <HymnToLife> KaoticEvil> no
[01:21] <rodrigo> well
[01:21] <KaoticEvil> cool...
[01:21] <rodrigo> i just got a fresh kubuntu install
[01:21] <rodrigo> and im a linux newbie :p
[01:21] <HymnToLife> and you want to mount your windows dries, right ?
[01:21] <rodrigo> yea
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> rodrigo: what file systems?
[01:22] <rodrigo> hmmm one ntfs, one fat32
[01:22] <fatejudger> rodrigo: the NTFS will be read only then
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> yup, thats what i was gonna say :)
[01:22] <HymnToLife> rodrigo> did you mount them during install ?
[01:22] <rodrigo> yup i know ^^;
[01:22] <rodrigo> nope, i wasnt prompted to
[01:23] <HymnToLife> yes you were, but you didn't notice it ;)
[01:23] <rodrigo> :P heh
[01:23] <HymnToLife> anyway, here is what you need to do
[01:23] <rodrigo> oops :P
[01:23] <HymnToLife> !ntfs
[01:23] <ubotu> rumour has it, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[01:25] <KaoticEvil> HymnToLife: can i add an ISO to my fstab to have it mount at boot time like any other file system?
[01:25] <HymnToLife> KaoticEvil> of course
[01:25] <KaoticEvil> sweet
[01:25] <KaoticEvil> now thats badass :>
[01:25] <HymnToLife> I've never tried
[01:25] <HymnToLife> but I can't see any reason why you culdn't
[01:26] <KaoticEvil> seriously..
[01:27] <KaoticEvil> the more i use linux, the more im amazed at the features it has, and i wonder more and more why other OS's dont try to incorporate some of those features...
[01:28] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: you mean KDE
[01:28] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: Unix, the NT Kernel, and Linux all basically have the same features
[01:28] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: no, i mean, for example, the ability to mount an ISo directly with no other programs
[01:29] <KaoticEvil> windows cant do that ;)
[01:29] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I don't think that's part part of the Linux kernel
[01:29] <KaoticEvil> its not part of KDE...
[01:29] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: no, it isn't
[01:29] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: but I don't think it's part of the Linux kernel
[01:29] <KaoticEvil> i dont know...
[01:29] <KaoticEvil> it uses a standard mount command
[01:30] <KaoticEvil> i dont know.. but its still cool :)
[01:30] <rodrigo> HymnToLife: Thanks, worked perfectly! ^ ^
[01:30] <KaoticEvil> and i know windows cant do it :P
[01:30] <HymnToLife> rodrigo> you're welcome ;)
[01:30] <KaoticEvil> not without the aid of another program (i.e. Daemon Tools)
[01:30] <rodrigo> now i'll proceed to listen to my songs on amarok~
[01:31] <KaoticEvil> rodrigo: dual booting?
[01:34] <rodrigo> yea
[01:35] <rodrigo> kubuntu/winxp
[01:35] <rodrigo> sepparate hard drives tough
[01:40] <rodrigo> damn it.... whats the amarok engine that plays mp3 files again? :S
[01:42] <NeoChaosX> it's amarok-xine
[01:42] <NeoChaosX> or you could install gstreamer0.8-mad and run gst-register-0.8
[01:43] <HymnToLife> !mp3
[01:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:47] <rodrigo> :p thanks HymnToLife  and NeoChaosX
[01:48] <conrad_> hi
[01:49] <conrad_> just installed kubuntu (Dapper) on my pc
[01:50] <conrad_> Have used Ubuntu (breezy) before
[01:50] <conrad_> is there synaptic in kubuntu?
[01:50] <fatejudger> conrad_: use Adept
[01:51] <fatejudger> conrad_: and you probably should stick with Breezy unless you're very experienced
[01:51] <conrad_> so, synaptic is part of gnome only?
[01:51] <fatejudger> conrad_: things in Dapper break
[01:51] <fatejudger> conrad_: you CAN use it in KDE, but there's no reason to
[01:51] <conrad_> i can't find it, which is why i ask
[01:51] <conrad_> is Adept the KDE version?
[01:52] <fatejudger> conrad_: yes
[01:52] <conrad_> ok
[01:52] <fatejudger> conrad_: it's much better now IMO
[01:52] <conrad_> well, i have Breezy on my other half (partition)
[01:52] <conrad_> thought i'd check kubuntu out
[01:52] <conrad_> its nice!
[01:53] <fatejudger> conrad_: if you don't have that much experience you ought to stick with Kubuntu Breezy
[01:53] <conrad_> when is the full release available of Dapper
[01:53] <fatejudger> conrad_: 6.04
[01:53] <fatejudger> somewhere in there
[01:53] <conrad_> 6th of April?
[01:53] <fatejudger> around the 20th I think
[01:53] <fatejudger> no
[01:53] <fatejudger> 2006
[01:53] <fatejudger> April
[01:53] <conrad_> oh! lol
[01:54] <fatejudger> I think Breezy was released around the end of the month
[01:54] <conrad_> ic
[01:54] <fatejudger> so I'm guessing it'll be the same for Dapper
[01:54] <arrinmurr> except that the date is going to be pushed 6 weeks
[01:54] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: it's supposed to be 20/4
[01:54] <fatejudger> they delayed it?
[01:54] <fatejudger> ouch
[01:54] <Hobbsee> and they're going to discuss that in a meeting in a couple of days
[01:54] <fatejudger> they'll  break the 6 month release cycle
[01:54] <conrad_> well, i got solid Breezy in Ubuntu; happy to have a breakable Dapper in kubuntu
[01:55] <fatejudger> I'll admit though, they do have a few problems to work out
[01:55] <conrad_> will reinstall when Dapper is available in kubuntu
[01:55] <fatejudger> the sound system is just in shambles
[01:55] <fatejudger> nobody can decide between gstreamer or xine
[01:55] <conrad_> that's easy - xine! : )
[01:55] <fatejudger> lol
[01:55] <fatejudger> xine is old
[01:55] <fatejudger> and doesn't work that well on newer cards like mine
[01:55] <Nirvana_awaylol> xine in breezy > gstreamer
[01:56] <fatejudger> Nirvana: that's true
[01:56] <fatejudger> gstreamer 0.10 is better than xine though
[01:56] <Nirvana> but dapper... ^^
[01:56] <fatejudger> nobody supports it yet though
[01:56] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you going to the meeting?
[01:56] <arrinmurr> info about the possible delay: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-March/000734.html
[01:56] <NeoChaosX> actually, 20th of April, I think
[01:57] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i hope to
[01:57] <fatejudger> ooh, Mark Shuttleworth is proposing it
[01:57] <rodrigo> im using gstreamer
[01:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what are your views on the subject?
[01:58] <rodrigo> i remember xine kept crashing amarok before :p
[01:58] <nuky> if i have an i686 pc, how do i know if it's 64-bit or not? i think i'm downloading the wrong kubuntu iso, my installation keeps hanging..
[01:58] <rodrigo> and there it is :S
[01:58] <fatejudger> nuky: you'd know
[01:58] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i really dont know enough to say go or delay - not having worked with espresso
[01:58] <fatejudger> nuky: and i686 is P4
[01:58] <NeoChaosX> i'd love to see Amarok support GStreamer 0.10, just to see if it has really improved
[01:59] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: if they delay it a bit longer, they'll give the amarok team time enough to finish gstreamer 0.10 support
[01:59] <NeoChaosX> I remember gstreamer 0.8 being so slow to switch songs
[01:59] <nuky> fatejudger: so that's not a 64-bit? i'm sooo sorry.. the ps was a gift and i really don't know much about stuff like that..
[01:59] <Hobbsee> probably true
[01:59] <fatejudger> nuky: should be 32 bit
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i thought there was already gstreamer 0.10 in dapper
[01:59] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: there is, but nobody has implemented it
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:00] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I think amarok 1.4 Beta 2 has it working now
[02:00] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I asked one of the devels to propose using beta software
[02:00] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I doubt the others will take too kindly to that
[02:00] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but it's very stable
[02:00] <nuky> fatejudger: ahh.. thanks.. so i HAVE been using the wrong iso :/
[02:00] <Hobbsee> lol true
[02:00] <fatejudger> nuky: did you install the 64 bit one?
[02:00] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm not sure about Kaffeine though
[02:01] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that project looks almost abandoned
[02:01] <conrad_> can someone tell me what it means: "unable to unlock teh administration directory....................is another process using it" ??
[02:01] <[1] darkmatter> hi, does anyone know what the problem might be if the kubuntu boot sequence stops at "Checking battery state"?
[02:01] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but it REALLY needs gstreamer 0.10 support more than anything else
[02:01] <conrad_> not aware of another process either open or using
[02:01] <fatejudger> conrad_: close apt or synaptic or adept
[02:01] <fatejudger> conrad_: you have two open
[02:02] <conrad_> adept is in the menu bar but not open, although i tried; gave it my password but it aint doint anything, even though there are 5 packages for updating
[02:02] <nuky> fatejudger: yeah, i remember trying the 64-bit live cd and that worked so i thought that was right.. but when i'm trying to install, it always hangs unless i use the default partitions.. but i want my home seperate..
[02:03] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: ah ok
[02:03] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I don't see any other reasons to delay other than bugfixing and sound
[02:04] <Hobbsee> and espresso
[02:05] <conrad_> still says unable to unlock administration  directory /var/lib/dpkg
[02:05] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: Espresso?
[02:05] <fatejudger> conrad_: like I said, you have apt open twice
[02:05] <conrad_> i've quit adept from menu tray
[02:05] <conrad_> fateudger: where do i have it open?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: installer on live cd
[02:06] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: isn't that what the DVD is for?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> for those that have a dvd burner, yes
[02:06] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: meh, waste of resources and time if you ask me
[02:09] <conrad_> well i don't see that adpet is open : (
[02:11] <conrad_> maybe its all part of Dapper not quite working right yet?
[02:11] <conrad_> maybe?
[02:11] <fatejudger> conrad_: no
[02:11] <fatejudger> conrad_: you have synaptic, apt, or adept open
[02:11] <fatejudger> conrad_: or something
[02:11] <fatejudger> conrad_: just restart
[02:11] <fatejudger> conrad_: if you can't find it
[02:11] <conrad_> k
[02:12] <sledge> Quick question: Does Kubuntu support the closed source ATI drivers?
[02:12] <pvh> sledge: yes
[02:13] <sledge> pvh: Great! I'm thinking about converting to Kubuntu. What about Common Lisp, like SBCL or CLISP?
[02:14] <conrad_> he's back
[02:15] <sledge> pvh: Do you know if it supports LVM2?
[02:15] <pvh> sledge: I'm certain there are packages in the repository.
[02:15] <pvh> sledge: I believe there is LVM2 support as well, though I'd check with Google.
[02:15] <sledge> I'm getting tired of compiling... ;)
[02:17] <rodrigo> Okay.. last tech support of the night... Can anyone help me make my display run at anything higher than 1024x768? :)
[02:18] <conrad_> there are 5 packages that have been held back from upgrading. Anyone know about that? is that normal?
[02:19] <conrad_> fatejudger: looks like kicker? had crashed due to a bug which maybe affected my not being able to access update mamager
[02:20] <conrad_> wont let me change default settings to console -  not keen on w font on black
[02:21] <Parkotron> rodrigo: What is currently stopping you from setting it higher?
[02:21] <conrad_> does kubuntu not come with gimp? or is that for the gnome desktop only?
[02:22] <Parkotron> conrad: Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu all share a common package repository. Anything you can get for one you can get for the rest.
[02:23] <fatejudger> conrad_: Krita is the KDE version of The Gimp
[02:23] <Parkotron> conrad: The only difference is what is installed by default.
[02:23] <rodrigo> display settings only lists resolutions up to 1024x768
[02:23] <fatejudger> conrad_: if you're going to get Krita you might as well get the beta
[02:23] <Parkotron> rodigo: Do you know how to edit xorg.conf?
[02:23] <rodrigo> but i run my WinXP at 1152x864
[02:24] <rodrigo> hmmm
[02:24] <fatejudger> that's a really weird resolution
[02:24] <rodrigo> nope :(
[02:24] <NeoChaosX> it's somewhat rare, but some folks do run it
[02:24] <rodrigo> its 1.3 megapixels :p
[02:24] <NeoChaosX> it's 4:3 ratio, at least
[02:24] <Parkotron> 1152 is a great resolution. Used it for years.
[02:24] <rodrigo> but yea its kinda rare but its the highest my monitor supports
[02:25] <rodrigo> crappy old CRT syncmaster
[02:25] <fatejudger> 1920x1200 here :)
[02:26] <Parkotron> If you want a funky resolution, I'm running at 2304x960.
[02:26] <rodrigo> fatejudger: remind me never to show you any of my pixel art :p
[02:27] <Parkotron> That's one monitor at 1280x960 and one at 1024x768.
[02:27] <fatejudger> Parkotron: weird
[02:27] <fatejudger> Parkotron: I just have a widescreen monitor
[02:28] <rodrigo> so.. how do i edit my xorg.conf?
[02:28] <Parkotron> rodigo: Sorry, I'd forgotten.
[02:28] <fatejudger> rodrigo: just add the resolutions
[02:28] <conrad_> fatejudger: what do you mean if i get Krita?
[02:28] <fatejudger> rodrigo: you'll see where they are in there
[02:29] <pvh> sledge: every one gets sick of compiling eventually
[02:29] <rodrigo> ok... wheres the file? ;p
[02:29] <Parkotron> rodigo: alt+f2 then kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:29] <fatejudger> conrad_: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-15beta1.php
[02:30] <conrad_> i c thx
[02:30] <rodrigo> hmm? the file is empty
[02:31] <conrad_> what happened to the Gimp though?
[02:31] <Parkotron> rodigo: That ain't right.
[02:31] <sledge> k desu, ne? ;>
[02:31] <rodrigo> ok i got it
[02:32] <rodrigo> i see the 1152x864 mode!
[02:32] <conrad_> i thought Gimp was the image manipulation program par excellence bar none
[02:32] <arrinmurr> conrad_: if you want gimp, just install it with adept
[02:32] <Parkotron> rodrigo: Oh, then this isn't going to be straight forward to fix.
[02:33] <rodrigo> aw
[02:33] <rodrigo> on display - system settings it doesnt show up tough
[02:33] <Parkotron> conrad: It still is, but Krita is a major up and comer.
[02:33] <rodrigo> weird
[02:34] <conrad_> arrinmurr: ok, just surprised that it doesn't come as default - so standard otherwise that it does (in my experience)
[02:34] <fatejudger> conrad_: at the moment, the Beta version of Krita is better and more usable than the gimp
[02:34] <Parkotron> rodrigo: Open a console and type xrandr. Does that give 1152?
[02:34] <fatejudger> conrad_: it might, if KOffice was standard
[02:34] <fatejudger> unfortunately too many people refuse to use KOffice
[02:34] <rodrigo> no it doesnt
[02:34] <Parkotron> Hmmm.
[02:34] <conrad_> KOffice is not standard? : )
[02:35] <arrinmurr> conrad_: well, kubuntu tries to use kde-programs for everything ;)
[02:35] <fatejudger> conrad_: no, it isn't
[02:35] <conrad_> fair enough
[02:35] <fatejudger> I think it's terribly disappointing that KOffice isn't the standard for Kubuntu
[02:35] <rodrigo> yea the kde people really should fix that bug where non-kde apps look like crap on kde ;)
[02:36] <fatejudger> rodrigo: I hope that was a joke
[02:36] <rodrigo> haha
[02:36] <Parkotron> rodrigo: Try skimming through /var/log/Xorg.0.log looking for any errors or warnings.
[02:36] <arrinmurr> krita is horribly slow when compared to gimp though
[02:36] <rodrigo> it was XD
[02:36] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: 1.5 beta?
[02:36] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: that too
[02:36] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: 1.5 beta is super fats
[02:37] <fatejudger> *fast
[02:37] <fatejudger> lol
[02:37] <fatejudger> that was a strange typo
[02:37] <conrad_> freudian
[02:37] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: no it isn't :)
[02:37] <conrad_> a freudian typo slip, : )
[02:37] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: in what way would you say Krita is slow?
[02:38] <rodrigo> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[02:38] <rodrigo> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range)
[02:38] <rodrigo> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[02:38] <rodrigo> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range)
[02:38] <rodrigo> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[02:38] <rodrigo> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (hsync out of range)
[02:38] <rodrigo> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (hsync out of range)
[02:38] <rodrigo> like these?
[02:39] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: when compared to gimp, drawing with the tools is slow, applying the filters is slow etc.
[02:39] <Parkotron> rodrigo: Well, obviously that can't be true, because persumably you're using one of those.
[02:40] <rodrigo> yea, it lists every possible one
[02:40] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: maybe your computer is slow
[02:40] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: maybe you have such a fast machine that you don't notice the difference, but for me it's unfortunately very clear
[02:40] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: specs?
[02:40] <rodrigo> what i pasted here was just a snippet
[02:40] <rodrigo> :)
[02:40] <Parkotron> rodrigo: Is there anything else later in the log?
[02:40] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: maybe it is, but that doesn't change the fact that gimp is faster
[02:41] <Parkotron> rodrigo: I really have no idea what I'm looking for...
[02:41] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: so what are your specs?
[02:41] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: i'm not saying i wouldn't like to use krita, it's just not very usable
[02:41] <rodrigo> heh me neither :S
[02:41] <Parkotron> rodrigo: It might help if you switched to the official nVidia driver, but I can't say that for certain.
[02:42] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: I was asking what your specs were
[02:42] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: your computer specifications
[02:42] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: Duron 1,2GHz, 256MB of ram
[02:42] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: ouch
[02:42] <rodrigo> i stick with 1024x768 but it makes me very claustrophobic
[02:42] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: that could be why
[02:42] <rodrigo> hey
[02:42] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: i know, but that has nothing to do with this
[02:42] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: I have a 2.66 GHZ P4, 1.25 GB of RAM
[02:42] <rodrigo> i can top that
[02:42] <fatejudger> lol
[02:42] <fatejudger> oh yeah?
[02:43] <rodrigo> mine is a Duron 1.0GHz, 256mb ram :P
[02:43] <fatejudger> ahaha
[02:43] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: since all i was saying is: gimp is faster than krita
[02:43] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: I can't really tell the difference
[02:43] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: and that was my point
[02:43] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: so maybe you can
[02:43] <conrad_> 1.25GB of Ram is awesome
[02:43] <fatejudger> yeah, it is
[02:43] <fatejudger> and Linux does that pre-emptive multitasking with the RAM
[02:43] <fatejudger> so stuff loads increadibly fast
[02:43] <arrinmurr> fatejudger: yeah, that's what i said earlier, maybe you don't notice the difference. good for you :)
[02:44] <Parkotron> I've got 2GBs.
[02:44] <fatejudger> arrinmurr: that's why I asked
[02:44] <conrad_> fatejudge: is there a particulr need for you to have so much Ram?
[02:44] <fatejudger> Parkotron: nice, I want to get 2 GB so I can use Qemu to emulate Windows
[02:44] <fatejudger> conrad_: it was cheap?
[02:44] <Parkotron> I bought it before I switched to Linux. Now I never touch my swap partition.
[02:44] <conrad_> hahaha
[02:44] <fatejudger> yeah, I was going to erase my swap
[02:45] <fatejudger> but I decided against it
[02:45] <me2win> fatejudger, you're an idiot
[02:45] <fatejudger> me2win: I hate you
[02:45] <fatejudger> me2win: and your penny arcade comic quotes
[02:45] <arrinmurr> rodrigo: actually mine is 1GHz @ ~1.2GHz :)
[02:45] <rodrigo> oh
[02:45] <me2win> fatejudger, eat a large di... kubuntu cd..
[02:45] <rodrigo> well actually mine is 200mhz @ 1ghz
[02:45] <rodrigo> :O
[02:46] <rodrigo> and the heat is burning a hole trough my floor
[02:46] <conrad_> gimp is not kde or gnome. it is just the best open source image manipulation program out there, from what every one says
[02:47] <me2win> its aight...
[02:47] <rodrigo> apart from OpenPhotoshop of course
[02:47] <conrad_> why put a lesser program on kubuntu, just so that it is kde i don't understand - sigh*
[02:47] <arrinmurr> conrad_: well, krita already has some things gimp doesn't
[02:48] <conrad_> oh...?
[02:48] <rodrigo> i think its just for the sake of visual consistency
[02:48] <rodrigo> besides if you really want gimp you can just fire up Adept and get it in 30 seconds
[02:48] <fatejudger> rodrigo: hardly
[02:48] <fatejudger> rodrigo: there's a huge difference between QT and GTK
[02:49] <conrad_> openphotoshop?
[02:49] <fatejudger> conrad_: and The Gimp IS associated with Gnome
[02:49] <arrinmurr> conrad_: like "...support for 16 bit images, CMYK and even OpenEXR HDR images."
[02:49] <conrad_> is it? looking at their website i don't get that impression
[02:50] <conrad_> arrinmurr: cool - thx
[02:50] <fatejudger> conrad_: if it's made with GTK, it's a Gnome program
[02:50] <conrad_> ok, betraying my ignorance again...
[02:52] <Parkotron> fatejudger: I'd have to disagree. Just because something is written with GTK doesn't mean it's Gnome affiliated.
[02:53] <Parkotron> GTK after all stands for the GIMP Tool Kit.
[02:53] <conrad_> most other kde os's use Gimp - SUSE immediately comes to mind for 1
[02:54] <roy> I have a simple question: in Windows, there's Ctrl+Tab to quickly cycle through a programs tabs. In Kubuntu, that seems to switch across desktops, what's the equivalent key combination?
[02:54] <fatejudger> Parkotron: how many GTK apps do you think are out there that don't run on Gnome?
[02:55] <_bbeck> roy: alt+tab
[02:55] <roy> _bbeck, that switches between programs, not program tabs
[02:55] <fatejudger> roy: wtf are program tabs?
[02:55] <roy> what I mean is for example, switching between tabs in firefox
[02:56] <fatejudger> I don't think Firefox has that
[02:56] <fatejudger> Konq does though
[02:56] <sledge> roy: shift + <-
[02:56] <fatejudger> they do?
[02:56] <Parkotron> fatejudger: How many GTK apps do you know that don't run on KDE?
[02:56] <fatejudger> I'm surprised, they did that drag n drop thing
[02:56] <fatejudger> Parkotron: just because they run on KDE doesn't make them KDE apps
[02:56] <fatejudger> Parkotron: they're made for Gnome
[02:56] <fatejudger> Parkotron: and libraries have been written so that they can be more portable
[02:57] <Parkotron> fatejudger: Many of them a made for xcfe.
[02:57] <Parkotron> fatejudger: Gnome and KDE were build upon GTK and QT, Not the other way around.
[02:58] <sledge> roy: you can switch tabs in firefox w/ alt+1 through alt+9. apart from that you can put the caret on one tab and use left-/right-arrow to navigate through all tabs.
[02:59] <fatejudger> Parkotron: obviously
[02:59] <fatejudger> Parkotron: but GTK apps run natively in Gnome and QT apps run natively in KDE
[02:59] <fatejudger> Parkotron: it's just that simple
[03:00] <fatejudger> Parkotron: the rest is are just libraries that facilitate portability
[03:00] <rodrigo> hey whats a good edonkey p2p client for kde?
[03:00] <fatejudger> *the rest are
[03:00] <conrad_> Adept consistently wont fire up - frustrating
[03:00] <conrad_> i don't see what is using it?
[03:00] <conrad_> i clearly have nothing else open
[03:01] <fatejudger> I believe that's a bug in Dapper
[03:01] <fatejudger> try running it twice
[03:01] <jjs01h> the touchpad stops responding after i load firefox. i'm using the synaptic drivers. anyone know what this could be about?
[03:01] <conrad_> yea, looks like
[03:01] <fatejudger> I think it has to do with KDESU
[03:01] <Parkotron> fatejudger: I dislike your use of the word "portability". You make it seem like Gnome and KDE are separate operating systems.
[03:01] <fatejudger> Parkotron: they're seperate DEs
[03:01] <fatejudger> Parkotron: it's close enough
[03:01] <Parkotron> fatejudger: Hardly.
[03:02] <rodrigo> catfight :O
[03:02] <fatejudger> Parkotron: the way the GUI is written is completely different
[03:02] <fatejudger> Parkotron: have you written a QT and a GTK program before?
[03:02] <Parkotron> fatejudger: No, I've only written for QT.
[03:03] <fatejudger> GTK uses a completely different system for drawing GUIs
[03:03] <fatejudger> and event handling
[03:03] <fatejudger> it isn't easy to port a program over from KDE to Gnome and visa-versa
[03:04] <conrad_> i can see what fatejudge is saying
[03:04] <Parkotron> fatejudger: That's my point! You don't have to "port" apps form one to the other. It's the same operating system. Both sides can get along quite well.
[03:05] <conrad_> Parkotron: but i have to admit; from experience although kde aps work in ubuntu they tend to work better in kde os and vice versa i imagine
[03:05] <jjs01h> Parkotron: fatejudger is confusing the gui with the os.. thats typical in a windows world at least
[03:05] <conrad_> like k3b and amarok
[03:06] <conrad_> amarok you can forget about it in ubuntu
[03:06] <conrad_> at least so far
[03:06] <conrad_> k3b seems to work fine
[03:06] <Nirvana> it is easier to port from QT/GTK than it is from Linux/Windows/Mac btw...
[03:07] <Nirvana> lol #ubuntu: 591 nicks - #kubuntu: 143 nicks :D
[03:08] <conrad_> kubuntu are the minority : )
[03:08] <fatejudger> conrad_: unfortunately :(
[03:08] <conrad_> : )
[03:09] <Parkotron> We're definatly second class citizens in the Ubuntu world. But hey, at least we're not Xubuntu.
[03:09] <arrinmurr> it's more like Ubuntu: 591+143 nicks, minus the duplicates
[03:09] <fatejudger> Parkotron: you DO have to port apps from QT to GTK
[03:09] <fatejudger> Parkotron: it isn't an automatic process
[03:09] <conrad_> fatejudger: obviously you prefer kde
[03:09] <fatejudger> Parkotron: running GTK apps in KDE requires the use of emulation of sorts
[03:09] <fatejudger> Parkotron: not really emulation
[03:09] <fatejudger> Parkotron: but running of GTK window drawing facilities
[03:10] <fatejudger> Parkotron: and faking GTK themes
[03:10] <Parkotron> What's wrong with that?
[03:10] <fatejudger> Parkotron: it's not native
[03:10] <Nirvana> fatejudger: not emulation: engine package... something like qt-engine-GTK or something
[03:10] <fatejudger> Parkotron: and it certainly doesn't mean that you don't port programs because of it
[03:10] <Nirvana> wow... my lag = 10s
[03:10] <Parkotron> fatejudger: Native applies to OSs not to DEs.
[03:10] <Nirvana> not ms... seconds :(
[03:10] <conrad_> fatejudger: aguess you're saying it is preferable to run programs that are native to or compatible with a partiicular gui
[03:11] <fatejudger> Parkotron: that statement is completely innacurate
[03:11] <conrad_> Why did Mark Shuttleworth choose to put Gnome at the center of ubuntu?
[03:12] <fatejudger> conrad_: Mark Shuttleworth uses Kubuntu
[03:12] <conrad_> haha, really?!
[03:12] <fatejudger> conrad_: and that's a good question
[03:12] <Nirvana> maybe GNOME is easier to program for than KDE
[03:12] <fatejudger> Parkotron: you obviously have no idea how the two toolkits work
[03:12] <conrad_> amazing to hear that he would therefore use kubuntu, nice to hear
[03:12] <fatejudger> Nirvana: hah, hardly
[03:12] <fatejudger> Nirvana: do you know how long the Krita project has been going on for?
[03:13] <fatejudger> Nirvana: vs The Gimp?
[03:13] <Nirvana> nope :P
[03:13] <arrinmurr> because corporations can't build closed source programs with qt for free?
[03:13] <fatejudger> Nirvana: well Krita is about a year or so
[03:13] <Nirvana> the gimp is like 10 years right?
[03:13] <fatejudger> Nirvana: and the Gimp is 10 years
[03:13] <fatejudger> Nirvana: yeah
[03:13] <fatejudger> Nirvana: now Krita has already surpassed The Gimp in that time
[03:13] <fatejudger> Nirvana: you tell me which toolkit sounds better
[03:13] <Nirvana> mehh... kolourpaint > all of that jazzy stuff
[03:14] <Nirvana> fatejudger: plus, it depends on th developers imagination :P however corny that sounds
[03:14] <jjs01h> fatejudger: it sounds like a different development process /model.. if the gimp is developing too slowly it because it has become a monolith
[03:14] <Parkotron> fatejudger: You make Gnome and KDE out to be two incompatable warring factions. I understand that they're different, maybe even rivals, but one can use the toolkits with taking sides.
[03:14] <Parkotron> Sorry, without taking sides, that is.
[03:15] <conrad_> all these freudian typos; : )
[03:15] <conrad_> Ahhh....
[03:15] <HymnToLife> Parkotron> +1,000
[03:15] <Parkotron> Thanks.
[03:16] <HymnToLife> I'm a KDE user but I stil use lots of GNOME things
[03:16] <conrad_> fatejudger: eureka....maybe, to answer the question why, its because Mark Shuttleworth had the Ubuntu concept with  the focus of making it a simple 'familly' desktop os
[03:17] <Parkotron> A GTK install is only like 25MB. Why shut yourself off from a wealth of excellent programs just because they start with a G rather than a K?
[03:17] <conrad_> hence Gnome suited that mission statement better
[03:17] <Parkotron> conrad_: I'd agree with you there.
[03:17] <conrad_> Parkotron: thx, that thought just came to me
[03:18] <conrad_> interesting nonetheless that at a personal level he prefers kde....hmmm....
[03:18] <conrad_> so does Linus still, right?
[03:18] <Nirvana> yes^
[03:18] <conrad_> i gotta admit i like both
[03:19] <Nirvana> he even called gnome user dumb to an extent...
[03:19] <HymnToLife> not really
[03:19] <conrad_> i never got into the tribalism of one vs the other
[03:19] <Nirvana> I like Ubuntu because it's more polished... even though I've never actually used Ubuntu...
[03:19] <HymnToLife> he said GNOME developpers treated their users like dumb people
[03:19] <Nirvana> yes^
[03:19] <Nirvana> I was just about to re-read what he wrote in the mailing list
[03:20] <HymnToLife> and "if you think your users are dumb, only dumb people will use it"
[03:20] <leafw> is there a wiki to dist-upgrade breezy to dapper flight 5 ?
[03:20] <HymnToLife> or something of that sort
[03:20] <HymnToLife> !upgrade
[03:20] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
[03:20] <leafw> just afew hanges in the sources.list ?
[03:20] <leafw> thanks
[03:20] <leafw> this is powerpc
[03:20] <HymnToLife> it's for Hoary -=> Breezy but Breezy -> Dapper works the same way
[03:20] <leafw> I need Xorg to run opengl apps remotely like, yesterday
[03:21] <leafw> can't live without ssh -X access to my freebsd workstations
[03:21] <Nirvana> does anyone know why XGL is so hyped? All I saw was a cubed desktop (ugly... btw)
[03:21] <leafw> Nirvana: just because Windows Vista comes with a 3D desktop. So ubuntu "me too".
[03:22] <Parkotron> Nirvana: Even if you turn off all the fancy effects (which certainly are impressive) everything runs smoother.
[03:22] <leafw> time will tell who will actually use such a desktop.
[03:22] <Nirvana> it's ugly even in Vista!
[03:22] <borelia> the xgl background is ugly as hell u can change it, i dont know what the hype is about :)
[03:24] <Parkotron> Something like 90% of the transistors in your modern video card are dedicated to 3D. By running even a simple 2D desktop through OpenGL and the 3D part of the card you get a major performance gain.
[03:24] <leafw> !flight
[03:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, flight is for info on the dapper flight prereleases, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiTeam?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=dapperflight&titlesearch=Titles
[03:24] <Nirvana> and does anyone know if Kubuntu Dapper is getting more polished? And why there's no edu/ku/buntu dapper screenshots on the wiki... just the ubuntu ones
[03:25] <Red_Herring> i tried the new ubuntu
[03:25] <Red_Herring> WOW, i love the new theme
[03:25] <Nirvana> like... Kubuntu breezy was most certainly not as polished as ubuntu dapper
[03:25] <Red_Herring> but the kubuntu one is just all of the same
[03:25] <Red_Herring> i am running kubuntu dapper drake as we speak
[03:25] <Nirvana> what's that theme called? humanlooks?
[03:25] <dumkopf> many of us are ;)
[03:25] <Red_Herring> and i just was using ubuntu dapperdrake, and i LOVE the new theme
[03:25] <Red_Herring> top of the line
[03:26] <Nirvana> Red_Herring: what's that theme called? humanlooks?
[03:26] <Red_Herring> ubuntulooks
[03:26] <Red_Herring> right?
[03:26] <Nirvana> yeah.. it's very shiny
[03:26] <Nirvana> I saw on that flight 5 preview page
[03:26] <fatejudger> it's orange
[03:26] <fatejudger> and ugly
[03:26] <Red_Herring> uhg, it seems like kubuntu is 1 release behind ubuntu
[03:27] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: you think so?
[03:27] <fatejudger> It looks like a throwback from the 70s
[03:27] <Red_Herring> well
[03:27] <fatejudger> the brown and the dingy orange
[03:27] <Red_Herring> im not one for the dingy orange
[03:27] <fatejudger> looks like a 70s bathroom or something
[03:27] <jjs01h> hehehe. i like orange.. color really is a funny thing
[03:27] <Red_Herring> but its a nice theme alltogeather
[03:27] <Red_Herring> w/e
[03:27] <leafw> there is no flight 5 for kubuntu ?
[03:27] <conrad_> i like the ubuntu dusty safari colours
[03:27] <Red_Herring> i was commenting on the effort put into the design
[03:27] <Red_Herring> not the colors
[03:27] <Red_Herring> i mean, its all 3d
[03:27] <Red_Herring> sleek
[03:28] <Red_Herring> leafw: sure there is
[03:28] <Red_Herring> i just upgraded from flight 4
[03:28] <Red_Herring> ;-)
[03:28] <leafw> Red_Herring: not in the main page
[03:28] <Red_Herring> well
[03:28] <leafw> through apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[03:28] <conrad_> why is kubuntu so blue?!
[03:28] <zn> would anybody tell me how to change the 'locale' setting under kde??
[03:28] <Red_Herring> conrad_: why is ubuntu so brown?
[03:28] <conrad_> hahaha
[03:29] <Red_Herring> leafw: all the flight releases are are milestones
[03:29] <leafw> conrad_: my kubuntu looks like a macosx with baghira. You choose the theme.
[03:29] <conrad_> because ubuntu is an african word; so there is a resonance with teh african landscape
[03:29] <Nirvana> does kubuntu f5 have the usplash shutdown?
[03:29] <leafw> conrad_: most of the African landscape is veyr green
[03:29] <Red_Herring> kde is blue
[03:29] <Red_Herring> so kubuntu is blue
[03:29] <Red_Herring> idk
[03:30] <leafw> following that logic, KDE is for norwegians or alaskans?
[03:30] <conrad_> leafw: cool, sure, we're talking default though. Once can change Ubuntu's theme too
[03:30] <Red_Herring> both have reached a point where they can start worrying about looks
[03:30] <Red_Herring> i mean
[03:30] <Red_Herring> before, linux had WAY more problems
[03:30] <leafw> Red_Herring: I agree, it's good news.
[03:30] <Red_Herring> now that we have solved them, we focus on looks
[03:30] <Red_Herring> but we need ta keep up with windows vista
[03:30] <Nirvana> leafw: I'm from Canada...so Kubuntu is for me too :P
[03:30] <Red_Herring> so GET COPOZITE polished NOW!!!!!!!
[03:31] <Red_Herring> it needs to look KICKASS before vista comes out
[03:31] <Nirvana> COPOZITE?
[03:31] <Red_Herring> compisite
[03:31] <Red_Herring> ever try vista?
[03:31] <Red_Herring> my friend has it
[03:31] <Nirvana> my neighbour is a butterfly
[03:31] <Red_Herring> i wanna kill him
[03:31] <Red_Herring> he listens to scremo
[03:31] <Red_Herring> anyway
[03:31] <Red_Herring> vista has alll of these GUI effects that are a product of DirectX 10
[03:32] <Nirvana> vista without glass is ugly as heck though..
[03:32] <Nirvana> it's dull gray
[03:32] <Red_Herring> composite has all of these GUI effects that are a part of OpenGL
[03:32] <leafw> anyone on PPC ? Is the update-manager working?
[03:32] <Red_Herring> yeah,.,
[03:32] <leafw> I can't get it to install: unmet dependency!
[03:32] <Red_Herring> leafw: was on it last week, it seemed fine
[03:32] <Red_Herring> leafw: you using dapper?
[03:32] <leafw> breezy
[03:32] <Nirvana> leafw: are you dist-upgrading?
[03:32] <leafw> on powerpc
[03:32] <leafw> I want to dist-upgrade
[03:32] <Red_Herring> leafw: i have an imac w/ ubuntu
[03:32] <Red_Herring> it seems just fine
[03:33] <leafw> with dapper you mean ?
[03:33] <Red_Herring> leafw: dist upgrade doesnt work to a beta
[03:33] <Nirvana> and you get unmet dependancy with dist-upgrade?
[03:33] <Red_Herring> i would suggest installing dapper, THEN updating
[03:33] <Red_Herring> besides
[03:33] <leafw> Nirvana: no, unmet dependency when installing the update-manaher
[03:33] <Red_Herring> you want a working kubuntu, dont you?
[03:34] <leafw> Red_Herring: I need a working kubuntu, breezy is just fine, all I want, actually, is a new Xorg that can run opengl apps from remote computers
[03:34] <leafw> because now it can't on powerpc.
[03:34] <Red_Herring> uhhhh... anyone here i can talk to about the uglyness and lack of individuality of kubutu, when its brother loooks awesome!
[03:34] <Nirvana> how come I can't find anything about the proposed klickibunti idea?
[03:34] <Nirvana> (if I even spelled it right :P)
[03:35] <Red_Herring> leafw: i just casually use my imac, so i cant help ya there
[03:35] <Red_Herring> but i would give dapper a try
[03:35] <Red_Herring> klickibunti?
[03:35] <Nirvana> last Kubuntu meeting someone said (can't remember his name... darn) that a dev was working on it
[03:35] <leafw> I'll send a bug report
[03:35] <Nirvana> klickibunti = web gui for creating custom CD's
[03:36] <Red_Herring> as of now dapper doesnt have a working touchpad driver, so i really wanna have a gui that is controlled JUST BY my keyboard
[03:36] <Red_Herring> which is why i <3 kde
[03:42] <Blippe> where do i change the keyboard shortcuts?
[03:43] <Blippe> I know i did a couple of days ago, but i can't find it again...
[03:43] <Parkotron> Blippe: Custom shortcuts or system defaults?
[03:43] <Blippe> both!
[03:44] <Parkotron> Blippe: KControl > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts
[03:44] <Parkotron> Blippe: KControl > Regional & Accessibility > Input Actions
[03:46] <Blippe> excellent, thanks!
[03:47] <celerate> Someone please tell me that the next version of kubuntu will work better
[03:48] <celerate> this one has been very frustrating for me
[03:48] <Blippe> ok: it will!
[03:48] <Red_Herring> oh it will
[03:48] <Red_Herring> definently
[03:48] <celerate> I can't seem to get the samba server working on this one, at least not properly
[03:48] <neoncode> I can use wildcards(*) in my kdmrc right?
[03:48] <celerate> the KDE control panel tools don't even save their settings
[03:48] <HymnToLife> celerate> works like a charm here, though I haven't used it in a while
[03:49] <HymnToLife> what's theproblem ?
[03:49] <celerate> HymnToLife: Well, simply put when I try to add users to samba the settings aren't saved
[03:49] <HymnToLife> try using the command line
[03:49] <celerate> All I want is to get a share up that doesn't require someone to log on, which by the way didn't work either
[03:50] <HymnToLife> sudo smbpasswd -a username
[03:50] <celerate> I did try the command line
[03:50] <celerate> HymnToLife: I've already given up on this release. Besides I'm commited to another distro when they have their next release
[03:50] <HymnToLife> hm then I have absolutely no f***ing clue how I configured it
[03:51] <HymnToLife> now I run a FTP server for filesharingmuch more reliable
[03:52] <leafw> !xubuntu
[03:52] <ubotu> [xubuntu]  Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[03:52] <celerate> :-p I'm tired of workarounds, things just don't work for me
[03:52] <HymnToLife> this is definitely not a "workaround"
[03:52] <Blippe> how do i create my own keyboard layout in kde? (i got a very very special keyboard)? :D
[03:52] <celerate> for some reason these things seem to work for the Gnome branch of Ubuntu, it's the KDE branch that doesn't seem to work for me at all
[03:52] <HymnToLife> FTP is a million times more powerful than Samba
[03:53] <celerate> HymnToLife: can you play music live?
[03:53] <HymnToLife> hmm
[03:53] <Red_Herring> anyone knwo where i can find counterstrike source servers that allow older (cracked) versions to play?
[03:53] <leafw> can anyone tell me, how is XFCE any different than a customized fluxbox?
[03:53] <Red_Herring> sorry
[03:53] <Red_Herring> offtopic
[03:53] <HymnToLife> actually I never tried Sama with KDE but I don't think this has something to do
[03:53] <Red_Herring> leafw: its a lot like kde
[03:53] <Red_Herring> except smaller
[03:53] <Red_Herring> with less features
[03:53] <Nirvana> leafw: XFCE has a flashing mouse when you log in
[03:53] <celerate> I'm going to get some advil, I'll be back in a minute
[03:54] <leafw> Nirvana: I never cared that much about eye candy
[03:54] <leafw> I actually have it all turned off
[03:54] <Red_Herring> leafw: tell those millions of people that when they all buy vista
[03:54] <HymnToLife> lol
[03:54] <Red_Herring> so do i, with a laptop w/ 16mb video mem and all
[03:54] <Red_Herring> i cant afford flashy effects
[03:55] <Red_Herring> my desktop would LAG!
[03:55] <leafw> I primarily use my powerbook for blender, java, C, python. Most of the time I have a couple of xterm open and perhaps Blender.
[03:55] <Nirvana> what are the chances of best buy making > 10million in new computer sales when vista is released?
[03:55] <Red_Herring> i dunno
[03:56] <leafw> people is not going to go and run to buy Vista: people is going to go and run to edonkey
[03:56] <Red_Herring> did you know that dell prefers ubuntu to all other distros?
[03:56] <Nirvana> better yet.... what are the chances of me making ~$5000 off computer installations of Vista :D
[03:56] <Blippe> Red_Herring, not that again?
[03:56] <Red_Herring> and he would ship linux, but he wants linux to have a standard base before he does so
[03:56] <Nirvana> leafw: lol... most people don't even know how to pirate stuff
[03:57] <Red_Herring> nah, he is not shipping linux until it cleans up its act
[03:57] <celerate> HymnToLife: just out of curiosity, how hard is it to set up an ftp server with kubuntu?
[03:57] <Nirvana> Red_Herring: so about April 20... when Dapper comes out?
[03:57] <Blippe> "Yeah, no more smoking, and home before 12 linux or else"
[03:57] <HymnToLife> celerate> it depends if you want complex permissions or not
[03:57] <Red_Herring> ha!
[03:57] <leafw> Red_Herring: I never used edonkey. It never worked well on macs (I tried).
[03:57] <Red_Herring> leafw: BIT TORRENT!!!!!!!!!!
[03:58] <leafw> and bit torrent is only useful to me to download ISOs
[03:58] <leafw> xD
[03:58] <Nirvana> true... I use isohunt for everything
[03:58] <celerate> HymnToLife: nah, how about it just asks me for a user name and password before it lets me get in to get to my files?
[03:58] <HymnToLife> p2p is BAD
[03:58] <Blippe> ah, but they wont use edonkey why do that, they got kazaa don't they?
[03:58] <Red_Herring> Blippe: yow would be surprized how immature it is compared to otehr os's
[03:58] <Red_Herring> no standards
[03:58] <Red_Herring> no single folder for a single application
[03:58] <leafw> you mean spyware-virusware-kazaa?
[03:58] <Red_Herring> its a mess
[03:58] <HymnToLife> if you"re the only one using it, it's very simple
[03:58] <leafw> xD
[03:58] <celerate> HymnToLife: p2p isn't bad, it's how some people use it that is
[03:58] <Nirvana> HymnToLife: p2p is how I downloaded kubuntu and saved Mark Shuttleworth $5
[03:58] <Red_Herring> well
[03:59] <leafw> I have some T3, ISOs go down in 10 minutes at most.
[03:59] <HymnToLife> c'mon, 99% p2p users just download music and mmovies
[03:59] <Red_Herring> should bit torrent be classified as p2p, with the same group as kazaa and edonkey?
[03:59] <Nirvana> yes
[03:59] <HymnToLife> if you want to download Ubuntu, why not use HTTP/FTP ?
[03:59] <Red_Herring> because you NEVER get ubuntu isos w/ edonkey
[03:59] <Red_Herring> you use bit torrent
[04:00] <Red_Herring> bit torrent = scattered distributing
[04:00] <Nirvana> HymnToLife: Saves people money off server bandwidth (it isn't cheap btw)
[04:00] <celerate> HymnToLife: bittorrent can be faster if enough people are seeding, much faster. And it saves server bandwidth
[04:00] <Red_Herring> not p2p! :-P
[04:00] <celerate> wrong Red_Herring
[04:00] <Blippe> sooooo pyqt, wxpython or pyui?
[04:00] <celerate> bittorrent is p2p
[04:00] <celerate> the term is very broad
[04:00] <Red_Herring> well
[04:00] <Red_Herring> then what is edonkey and kazaa?
[04:01] <Nirvana> Blippe: for what?
[04:01] <celerate> those are p2p applications too, but they are not the definition of p2p
[04:01] <Blippe> for starters...
[04:01] <Nirvana> programming languages?
[04:01] <Red_Herring> thats like saying borrowning your friends cd is p2p
[04:01] <leafw> Blippe: none work properly, in my experience.
[04:01] <celerate> by very definition p2p is simply communication between two peers on a network
[04:01] <Red_Herring> so borrowing a friends cd
[04:02] <Blippe> p2p is when a centralized server doesn't host the file...
[04:02] <Red_Herring> so... like borrowing a friends cd
[04:02] <Nirvana> and the file is shared from peer on the network to another peer
[04:02] <Blippe> so ftp could technically be p2p and also, not!
[04:02] <celerate> no, that's decentralized p2p, that's not what defines p2p either
[04:02] <Red_Herring> Blippe: well... what do you call a tracker?
[04:02] <celerate> yes ftp could be considered p2p, the entire internet could
[04:02] <Blippe> Red_Herring,  it don't hold the file...
[04:02] <Nirvana> web 2.0 is p2p :P
[04:02] <celerate> thta
[04:02] <Nirvana> and very ajax
[04:03] <Blippe> sex is p2p
[04:03] <Red_Herring> nice
[04:03] <Nirvana> .....
[04:03] <celerate> p2p describes the communication between any two peers by any medium over a network
[04:03] <celerate> it doesn't necessarily describe what happens in a bedroom
[04:04] <Nirvana> sooo... cybersex is p2p?
[04:04] <Blippe> network, in this case, is of course you, your friends and all those people in your town
[04:04] <HymnToLife> some people do it over a network you know :D
[04:04] <celerate> Nirvana: as long as you're not doing it in your bedroom
[04:04] <celerate> ;-)
[04:04] <Nirvana> :D
[04:04] <Red_Herring> wow
[04:04] <Red_Herring> so internet gaming is p2p
[04:04] <Red_Herring> speaking of which
[04:04] <celerate> Red_Herring: yes
[04:04] <Red_Herring> anyone know a good site for cracked cs source servers?
[04:05] <Red_Herring> just wondering ;-)
[04:05] <celerate> I doubt you're supposed to be asking that here
[04:05] <Red_Herring> i know
[04:05] <Nirvana> hey... I asked how to bake cookies here before... and by golly... I got the answer!
[04:05] <Red_Herring> wow
[04:05] <Red_Herring> nice
[04:05] <Red_Herring> then again
[04:05] <HymnToLife> a serious one ?
[04:05] <Red_Herring> we ARE nerds, and im sure we all play video games
[04:05] <Nirvana> I didn't grease the pan though...and everyone was like... you idiot
[04:06] <Red_Herring> and we dont like paying for software
[04:06] <Nirvana> true^
[04:06] <Red_Herring> so cracked video games falls right in that category
[04:06] <HymnToLife> Red_Herring> I don't
[04:06] <HymnToLife> except Frozen Bubble of course
[04:06] <celerate> I don't like paying for software, but I do
[04:06] <Blippe> I don't! play videogames, that is!
[04:06] <leafw> Red_Herring: I have never had a videogame in my mac. None that I would play work xD
[04:07] <leafw> same for kubuntu.
[04:07] <HymnToLife> not even FB ?
[04:07] <celerate> I even pay for my copies of Linux. When I'm impressed enough with the download I buy a boxed set
[04:07] <Nirvana> If Halo 2 counts as on the left hand (because Jesus is on the right) of the Father and not a video game... then I have never played a video game in my life :D
[04:07] <HymnToLife> as I always say "The command line is your best friend under Linux... aftr FRozen Bubble"
[04:08] <Red_Herring> Nirvana: wow, nice
[04:08] <Red_Herring> i dont buy software
[04:08] <Red_Herring> EVER
[04:08] <celerate> Red_Herring: does this mean microsoft will pay me for turning you in ;-)
[04:09] <Red_Herring> im not runnign windows
[04:09] <Nirvana> Red_Herring: btw.. CS:S servers: check a toplist.. like http://www.cstop100.com or www.topgamesites.net/counterstrike/
[04:09] <celerate> there go my millions :-(
[04:10] <celerate> I'm off to find something to do, bye everyone
[04:11] <Nirvana> And speaking of games... and Halo2... "eat it Bitches" (as Frankie would say :P): http://bungie.net/Stats/PlayerStats.aspx?player=xxxNIRVANAxxx
[04:14] <Blippe> I got this wonderful scanner, which won't be recognized if the program doesn't run as root (sudo) how do I solve that?
[04:14] <Red_Herring> run it as sudo?
[04:15] <Blippe> I don't see that as a solution!
[04:15] <leafw> Blippe: do a chmod to the node for the scanner
[04:15] <leafw> so it can be read by users.
[04:16] <leafw> the scanner is USB? Does it live somewhere in /dev ? Change that node's permissions!
[04:16] <Blippe> it aint in dev
[04:16] <Blippe> it is parallel
[04:16] <leafw> SCSI? Shoudl also be in /dev
[04:17] <Blippe> parport0
[04:18] <Blippe> I can't find a parport0 on the whole system
[04:18] <leafw> hum
[04:18] <leafw> can't really help, I haven't used a serial port since before 2000
[04:19] <leafw> but it *should* be the same sort of thing you'd do to a USB
[04:19] <Blippe> scream and yell at it?
[04:19] <leafw> no
[04:20] <leafw> but you can put it in the kmenu with kdesu in front of the command, or in ~/.bashrc with a the sudo added.
[04:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Whooo! I can connect again! :D
[04:22] <vijay> hi, everyone, i have a nokia 6610i phone, can any one tell me how to connet to it via data usb cable??
[04:24] <Nirvana> connect the cable to the phone and the computer
[04:24] <Nirvana> and go to /media/usb or something
[04:24] <leafw> Nirvana: "insert CD in the CD tray" ... xD
[04:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, insert the CD in the CD tray.
[04:25] <Nirvana> Insert the cd in the case... and the case in an SD card reader
[04:25] <Nirvana> the reader mayb be 1/8 the size of the CD case.. but trust me... it fits
[04:26] <vijay> ok
[04:26] <Nirvana> Maybe "sudo apt-get install kandy"
[04:26] <Nirvana> KDE mobile phone utility = kandy
[04:26] <vijay> ok
[04:27] <Nirvana> does your phine support OBEX (I have no idea what this is... I just "sudo apt-cache search nokia" and relay)
[04:27] <Nirvana> phine = slang for phone
[04:27] <Nirvana> :P
[04:28] <vijay> no, it has no blue tooth
[04:28] <Nirvana> they try the bluetooth thing that comes with KDE
[04:28] <vijay> ok
[04:30] <Nirvana> hmm... blue tooth.. reminds me of that blue light thing in the dentists office :(
[04:30] <vijay> i installed kandy, and i think it only supports serial ports
[04:31] <Nirvana> did you try the kde bluetooth thingy
[04:32] <vijay> yes, but this phone has no bluetooth connectivity
[04:33] <Nirvana> wow.. I can't read
[04:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://kmobiletools.berlios.de/node/view/19?PHPSESSID=9faa257e8bbe51b0c95aeda9c2515e30#comment-291
[04:34] <vijay> ok
[04:35] <Blippe> okrim, which users are able to connect to my box via ssh?
[04:35] <Blippe> the ones in group users and the ones in group ssh?
[04:39] <Nirvana> Alright... I'm officially tired... I'm going to sleep :D
[04:40] <Blippe> leafw, now i got a /dev/parport0 (thanks to modprobe ppdev) how do i change the permissions correctly?
[04:43] <vijay> when iam trying to install kmobile tools, adept is showing break install? can any one tell me why?
[04:43] <borelia> dosent it show any error ?
[04:44] <borelia> try from console it usaly says something more
[04:44] <leafw> Blippe: simply do a sudo chmod XXX /dev/parport0
[04:44] <leafw> where XXX are 3 digits
[04:44] <vijay> ok
[04:44] <leafw> 777 is read-write-execute everyone
[04:45] <leafw> I would just do:  sudo chmod +r /dev/parport0 && sudo chmod +x /dev/parport0
[04:45] <leafw> read and execute for everyone
[04:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> Can't you use sudo chmod +rx /dev/parport0 instead of all that, leafw? or am I totally confused?
[04:46] <leafw> don't know if +rx is valid. Check the man chmod
[04:46] <Blippe> guess i would have to restart for it to take effect...
[04:46] <leafw> '+r' is just a shortcut for "whatever permissions it has, plus read"
[04:47] <leafw> not necessarily
[04:47] <leafw> give it a shot.
[04:47] <Blippe> oh, i did...
[04:47] <leafw> xD
[04:47] <leafw> what's the error message
[04:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> heh, my man page doesn't even tell me what +r and +x do
[04:48] <Blippe> no error-message, it just doesn't show up when starting kooka as the normal user...
[04:48] <leafw> Blippe: go to K / System/ KSystemLogs
[04:48] <leafw> and read the error there.
[04:50] <Blippe> nothing... gotta check on how to restart sane
[04:50] <leafw> CheeseBurgerMan: I know, it's odd that the man for chmod is incomplete.
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah well, I'll let him to it your way - it's sure to work. ;)
[04:55] <beefsprocket> how does one add a channel to konversation as an autojoin channel?
[04:55] <_nathan> is there a way i can rip only dvd audio to ogg?
[04:58] <beefsprocket> _nathan: can you just take the files from the audio_ts folder and work with them?
[04:58] <_nathan> I'll try that
[04:59] <beefsprocket> might not work though -- can't remember if there are files in that folder on all dvds
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> If not, audacity should help.
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> Although that's the long and hard way.
[04:59] <Kingpomba>  ok... my kubuntu cd is burning
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> Fun. :P
[04:59] <Kingpomba> i have a few questions to ask before i install it...
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[05:00] <Kingpomba> http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p3.htm the 12th step here says a fat32 partrition... why
[05:00] <Kingpomba> i thought linux used a diffrent system
[05:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> beefsprocket: Go into the Server List, press edit, and you can decide what servers and channels to automatically connect to.
[05:01] <Kingpomba> help
[05:01] <Kingpomba> anyone?
[05:01] <Blippe> Kingpomba, wait a sec
[05:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kingpomba: Because both OSs can read and write to a fat32 partition
[05:01] <beefsprocket> CheeseBurgerMan: yes, thank you
[05:02] <Kingpomba> oh really CheeseBurgerMan
[05:02] <Kingpomba> ok thanks
[05:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kingpomba: But you're not supposed to install it on the fat32 partition
[05:02] <Kingpomba> ... so why does it say fat 32 there then
[05:02] <Kingpomba> im confused... so i install it on one partition and have the files on another
[05:02] <Blippe> Kingpomba, because he wanted a partition with media for both windows and ubuntu
[05:03] <Blippe> like for music and movies and stuff
[05:03] <Kingpomba> so at that partrition step what do i do then
[05:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> I can access my WIndows partition from Kubuntu, and my Kubuntu partition from Windows.
[05:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kingpomba: I used QTParted with Knoppix, so I'm not sure there. ;)
[05:04] <Blippe> Kingpomba, do as you wish :D
[05:04] <DeluxXx> just take Fat
[05:04] <Blippe> Kingpomba, how much space do you have on your hd=
[05:04] <Kingpomba> 70 gb
[05:04] <Blippe> and how big is windows?
[05:05] <Kingpomba> i want to shrink windows to 40 gb i know how to do that
[05:05] <Kingpomba> hmm no wait 50
[05:05] <DeluxXx> just make a partition and format with Fat so u can access it with linux and win
[05:05] <Kingpomba> and i want linux to have the other 20
[05:05] <Blippe> ok shrink it first, then format all but 15 gig in fat and the rest in fat
[05:06] <DeluxXx> what about linux 15 shared 5 (win + linux formated with Fat) and win 50
[05:06] <Blippe> wait, you said 50...
[05:06] <nuky> hi, to start developing c++ programs in kubuntu, do i need to install anything other than gcc?
[05:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> I thought g++ was a  C++ compiler, and gcc a C compiler
[05:06] <Kingpomba> oh ok i get ya
[05:06] <leafw> nuky: depends on how you want to do it, and which libraries to use!
[05:06] <Kingpomba> so what file system do i make the linux one
[05:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> ext3 is what I have...
[05:07] <nuky> CheeseBurgerMan: sorry, you're right, it's g++..
[05:07] <Blippe> Kingpomba, i don't want to make this sound hard, but you are able to download drivers to write ext2 and ext3 in windows...
[05:07] <nuky> leafw: i looked arounf and that was what they suggested.. but my programs don't compile.. they don't use any special libraries either..
[05:08] <Blippe> Kingpomba, ubuntu (with both kde and gnome and lots of extra stuff) will fit on 10 gig, no problems
[05:08] <leafw> nuky: what is the error message.
[05:08] <djclue917> nuky: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:08] <Kingpomba> really
[05:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kingpomba: yeah, it'll easily fit in your 20GB
[05:09] <DeluxXx> nuky do the drivers work for read and write ?
[05:09] <Kingpomba> so 15 gig linux (EXT3) 5 gig sharing (FAT32) 50 gig windows (NTFS)
[05:09] <nuky> DeluxXx: drivers?
[05:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> DeluxXx: The ext3 drivers for windows?
[05:10] <DeluxXx> hm thats how id do it but i didnt know that win ext2/3 drivers exist
[05:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> DeluxXx: I'll link you
[05:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> just a minute.
[05:10] <Blippe> Kingpomba, and those extra gigs (if you decide to let em be 10 or 5 or whatever) (and if you decide to let em be in ext or fat) would be great if you mounted it as /home, that would make your files accesable both in lin and win
[05:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[05:10] <Kingpomba> yeah cool idea
[05:11] <DeluxXx> thx
[05:11] <DeluxXx> ill take a look at it
[05:11] <Kingpomba> do i make the partition logical or primary
[05:11] <Blippe> Kingpomba, and by having your /home as a specific partition, reinstalling linux and saving all your files won't be a problem
[05:11] <Kingpomba> so logical or primary... brb door
[05:12] <nuky> leafw: i get an error saying, /usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file main: Is a directory, collect2: ld returned 1 exit status.. where main.cpp is the name of the source code and i compiled with -o 'main' as arguments
[05:12] <leafw> do you have a directory named main/ in that directory where you are compiling ?
[05:12] <Blippe> Kingpomba, doesn't matter
[05:13] <leafw> nuky: compile with -o main.o if that's the case
[05:13] <Kingpomba> so it makes no diffrence then?
[05:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> GO Red_Herring! :P
[05:14] <Blippe> Kingpomba, not really...
[05:14] <Red_Herring> ooooo
[05:14] <Red_Herring> go Kingpomba
[05:15] <DeluxXx> how i can change the taskbar for kde so that it shows the tasks on top of my desktop and the other stuff on the bottom ?
[05:15] <Red_Herring> i dont think you can do that
[05:16] <Red_Herring> multiple desktops is a very perculer thing
[05:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Right click on the panel > Add new Panel > External Taskbar
[05:16] <Blippe> Red_Herring?
[05:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> And drag the external taskbar to the top
[05:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> then remove your current taskbar applet. :)
[05:16] <leafw> check the System Settings,  there are several weird options on window behaviour
[05:16] <nuky> leafw: thanks! it works fine now.. i didn't realise i was in one directory cos i was using the full paths for the arguments.. thanks again :)
[05:16] <Red_Herring> Blippe: no other operating system has them
[05:16] <leafw> nuky: glad you got it.
[05:16] <Red_Herring> by no other, i mean OSX and Winblowsd
[05:17] <Red_Herring> to me, its OSX, Winblows, and The Rest
[05:17] <leafw> Red_Herring: no ther OS has waht ?
[05:17] <DeluxXx> wow sweet i love this channel =) quick answers
[05:17] <Red_Herring> multiple desktops
[05:17] <leafw> errr
[05:17] <Blippe> so i've been using stuff that doesn't exists on both win and macos?
[05:17] <Blippe> I'm so cool!
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> I find multiple desktops to be confusing
[05:17] <Red_Herring> Blippe: you are!
[05:17] <leafw> Red_Herring: you can install an X server with multiple desktops in dozens of OSes
[05:17] <Red_Herring> i find it SOOOOOOOO helpful
[05:18] <Red_Herring> dude, thats beyond the point
[05:18] <leafw> nm
[05:18] <Red_Herring> when im doing stuff i dont want others to see, i just put it on another desktop, so i can switch to and fro quckly
[05:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[05:18] <Red_Herring> and no one ever understands it where i come from
[05:18] <leafw> xD
[05:19] <Red_Herring> ;-)
[05:19] <Blippe> There are a few tools out there that adds that feature to windows, and i hated it!
[05:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> yeah,  I understand the no one understands part. :P
[05:19] <leafw> osx has it too, and not only through X11
[05:19] <Red_Herring> i hate windows!
[05:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> There's a PowerToy that does that IIRC.
[05:19] <Red_Herring> aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!
[05:19] <Blippe> when i want to do stuff i don't want othes to see, i start up windows on my second computer and doubleclick on control and my primary monitor switches over to that computer!
[05:19] <Blippe> HA!
[05:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> I hated Windows since it wouldn't detect my wireless network
[05:20] <Nabiki> ^_^
[05:20] <Red_Herring> now the healing can begin
[05:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> Linux does it just fine  - with the same bloody driver. :|
[05:20] <leafw> the only problem with windoze, guys, is viruses. All the rest is a matter of preference and interface adjustments.
[05:20] <Red_Herring> leafw: no
[05:20] <Red_Herring> not at all
[05:20] <DeluxXx> is there sth like optiperl for linux ?
[05:20] <Nabiki> I have mostly eleminated it from my desktop, and am now contemplating doing the same on my laptop. ^_^
[05:20] <robotgeek> offtopic talk in offtopic please
[05:21] <Red_Herring> the only problem with winblows is that it is made by a company that is the root of all evil
[05:21] <robotgeek> Red_Herring: ^^
[05:21] <leafw> Red_Herring: that company is made of fathers and mothers who feed their children. It is your option to buy what they sell or not ...
[05:21] <Red_Herring> buy?
[05:22] <Red_Herring> i know they feed their children
[05:22] <Red_Herring> i like their employees
[05:22] <Nabiki> What is the interface like for kubuntu as compared to the standard gnome interface it uses. ^_^
[05:22] <leafw> I never had to, for one, nor I would (why go to an OS whose primary feature is rebooting?)
[05:22] <robotgeek> leafw: Red_Herring now. offtopic!
[05:22] <leafw> xDD
[05:22] <leafw> robotgeek: is there a channel for offtopic, or a tag, or what it is that you are asking?
[05:22] <robotgeek> leafw: #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:22] <Blippe> Nabiki, i would recommend a search on google images for kde!
[05:22] <leafw> ooops
[05:22] <leafw> ok
[05:23] <Nabiki> :P  Does KDE run any more smoothly than Gnome?  Or do some people just prefer the look?
[05:23] <robotgeek> Nabiki: i prefer the apps, they "gel" well
[05:23] <_nathan> I say kde runs similarly to gnome
[05:24] <_nathan> similar resource usage and stuff
[05:24] <Blippe> Nabiki, some say gnome looks like macc and kde like win. some say that kde have all the options and gnome have a few predefined not to confuse the user
[05:24] <Nabiki> :P I know I am bound to get qt installed eventually anyway.. I was just wondering if I should check out the look. hehe
[05:24] <bkjones> I think the difference is preference.
[05:25] <Blippe> Nabiki, some say the progs in kde works better and some say gnomes apps work better.
[05:25] <Nabiki> Is it easy to set it up so that you can choose between gnome and KDE at login?
[05:25] <Nabiki> Like the whole Mac/Win fight? :P
[05:25] <Blippe> just install kubuntu desktop, and it is all setup!
[05:26] <bkjones> is there really a fight between mac and win?
[05:26] <bkjones> ;-)
[05:26] <Nabiki> Hehehe.  I've seen people come to blows over it O.o;; it's freaky. hehe :P
[05:26] <Blippe> not really, it is worse, because we actually check out the competition sometimes, so we know where the punches hurst!
[05:26] <Nabiki> Red_Herring: The issues I have with windows are all related to the software.  I personaly have no issues with the company, or it's founders. hehe
[05:27] <Nabiki> lol
[05:27] <Red_Herring> Nabiki: /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:27] <Blippe> and , stay ontopic...
[05:27] <Nabiki> ^_^
[05:36] <Kingpomba> whish me luck im restarting to boot in kubuntu
[05:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Good luck.
[05:36] <Blippe> does the live versions have a install to hd yet?
[05:37] <Blippe> if no, will it be included in dapper?
[05:38] <robotgeek> Blippe: work is underway, i am not sure of progress
[05:39] <Blippe> excellent
[05:39] <Nabiki> That could be an interesting option.  Set it up all preconfigged.  No having to jack arround with what one would have to do now. hehe :P
[05:39] <Blippe> but easyubuntu (or similiar) will be included in dapper?
[05:40] <bkjones> anyone here get the upgrade to dapper working with update-manager?
[05:40] <bkjones> mine flunked.
[05:42] <Nabiki> What is easyubuntu?
[05:43] <robotgeek> !easyubuntu
[05:43] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[05:43] <DeluxXx> hm they should give kde a more round style everything is so angled
[05:44] <Blippe> shouldn't ubotu mention something about needing gnome for easyubuntu?
[05:45] <Blippe> DeluxXx, kde-looks.org
[05:45] <Kingpomba> im back
[05:45] <Kingpomba> but my keybord did'ent work
[05:45] <Kingpomba> i was pressing enter but it did'ent work
[05:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> kde-look.org IIRC
[05:45] <Blippe> usbkeyboard?
[05:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> not kde-looks. ;)
[05:45] <Kingpomba> i've had problems with this before cause it usb keyboard
[05:45] <Kingpomba> yqa
[05:45] <Kingpomba> ya*
[05:46] <Blippe> i know nothing about them!
[05:46] <robotgeek> Blippe: it is mentioned in #easyubuntu :)
[05:46] <Kingpomba> i need to buy a PS2 one i guess
[05:48] <Kingpomba> so i have to wait even longer then
[05:48] <Nabiki> could try configuring it with a PS2 keyboard, and tell it to look for a USB one.  That way you can pick up a cheak 10$ board for configuring, then go back to the usb board. ^_^
[05:49] <Blippe> i was going to say something about going into bios and checking your settings, but i guess you have to borrow a ps2 kb first
[05:49] <Kingpomba> yeah ill do that Nabiki
[05:50] <Blippe> steal one from your friends/neighbours/enemies for a couple of hours!
[05:51] <Kingpomba> or i could just buy one so i have a back up when my batterys in my wireless run out
[05:51] <Blippe> chicken!
[05:51] <Kingpomba> ok steal me one and swim to melbourne australia to give it to me
[05:53] <Blippe> hmm, and get a place in guinniess book forever... maybe!
[05:53] <Kingpomba> or get lost at sea
[05:54] <Kingpomba> or eaten by sharks
[05:54] <Kingpomba> or abducted by atlantis mermaids
[05:56] <Blippe> No, i would gathre a selection of my closest morons who would row all the way over there, and getting rid of problems for me!
[05:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> How nice of you. ;P
[05:59] <Kingpomba> better yet pay for a plane :p
[05:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> But that wouldn't give you the morons. ;)
[05:59] <Kingpomba> the commonwealth games are starting soon
[05:59] <Kingpomba> so...
[06:01] <Kingpomba> load supers soakers with beer
[06:01] <Kingpomba> get them to have fun
[06:01] <Kingpomba> then torch the place
[06:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> Firefox 1.5.0.1 doesn't run. I get the error "./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when I run it. But there libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 is in my /usr/lib folder. What's wrong with it?
[06:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> I can install/run the Firefox 1.0.7 from the repositories just fine.
[06:09] <leafw> I think it's a known problem
[06:09] <leafw> "wait for dapper" seems to be the standard answer.
[06:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[06:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
[06:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> thanks.
[06:09] <leafw> np
[06:16] <Kingpomba> i heard the universe software is usally out of date...
[06:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> often enough - but it at least generally installs most of the dependencies
[06:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> so you can just update the software. ;)
[06:18] <keith> can anyone here help me with installing UT2003?
[06:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> I'll try.
[06:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> So...
[06:20] <keith> thanks, i read the docs on it and everything, and when i go to run the linux installer sh file, it comes up asking me where i want to install to
[06:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK.
[06:20] <keith> i start to tpye, and the begin install buton greys out
[06:20] <keith> and it says please respond to the license window
[06:20] <keith> ...there is no license window
[06:20] <keith> screenshot: http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot50ku.jpg
[06:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> hm
[06:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Try hitting the browser button and doing it that way.
[06:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> Dunno if that makes a difference, but it's worth a try.
[06:22] <keith> what do you mean?
[06:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> It looks like there's a button marked "/" next the the text input
[06:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> I assume that's a "Browse" type of button that'll let you choose what folder
[06:23] <keith> oh, that, theres one there, but there are no entries in either of hte drop down boxes
[06:23] <keith> if i click it, the button once again greys out
[06:23] <keith> and wants me to acept a license its not showing me
[06:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Look at the readme :P
[06:24] <keith> i did xD'
[06:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Drat, there went the easy way. ;)
[06:24] <Red_Herring> ooo, alt-tab switches to the last window you had up!
[06:24] <keith> yeah, i thought that when i first saw the readme button :p
[06:25] <keith> no errors in terminal output though
[06:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> Red_Herring: Uh, yeah....
[06:25] <keith> its kinda odd
[06:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[06:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> I agree - sounds like a shoddy installer
[06:25] <keith> what gets me is no one else but one guy on teh ubuntuforums has had this problem, and he got no replies
[06:25] <keith> this was, i think itsaid 2 months ago
[06:25] <Red_Herring> CheeseBurgerMan: i just figured that out!
[06:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[06:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[06:26] <keith> do you think maybe install ubuntu-desktop will let it run right, since its apparently a gtk installer
[06:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> maybe, I don't really have an opinion on that. ;P
[06:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> I'm still a bit new to all this stuff.
[06:27] <keith> well, i dont see anythign else at the moment, ill give it a shot, id hate to have to stick a hdd in the computer just for windows and UT
[06:27] <keith> :P
[06:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[06:27] <keith> god bless cable internet
[06:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[06:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Nice and fast, eh?
[06:28] <keith> indeed :D
[06:28] <keith> im closing in on 500 kbps, and its not slowing down
[06:28] <keith> it just keeps climbing higher and higher
[06:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> sweet
[06:28] <keith> yeah :D
[06:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> I'm lucky to get 100kbps. ;)
[06:28] <keith> ouch, that sucks
[06:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> which is still plenty fast
[06:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[06:28] <keith> it used to be fast
[06:28] <keith> until i xperienced this internet
[06:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> ah yes.
[06:29] <keith> it has me spoiled :P
[06:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> yeah, :P
[06:29] <Kingpomba> what version of KDE comes with breezy
[06:30] <keith> 3.4.3 i think
[06:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> 3.4 something
[06:30] <Kingpomba> kk
[06:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> easy enough to update to 3.5.1 though
[06:31] <Kingpomba> just wondering cause im looking at some kde apps
[06:37] <keith> ok, installing ubuntu-desktop didnt help, inside kde anyway, ill log into gnome and see what happened
[06:37] <keith> happens*
[06:38] <keith> URG!
[06:38] <keith> didnt help=(
[06:40] <keith> is there a way other than the included shell script to install UT2003?
[06:41] <ohnett> somebody please suggest me a vigorous open source project featuring 3d chat
[06:41] <keith> what do you mean?
[06:42] <dottedline> like a big set of 3d lips flappin?
[06:42] <ohnett> something like active worlds
[06:42] <dottedline> ;)
[06:42] <ohnett> (which works only on windows)
[06:43] <ohnett> :)
[06:43] <dottedline> thats winblows
[06:43] <ohnett> sorry,
[06:43] <ohnett> s/windows/winblows/
[06:43] <dottedline> ;P
[06:44] <robotgeek> ohnett: write one yourself ;)
[06:44] <ohnett> robotgeek: i'd love to, but i guess it takes time :)
[06:44] <dottedline> have you tried using adept and doing a seach through the kubuntu universe?
[06:45] <ohnett> dottedline: no
[06:45] <ohnett> doing it right now
[06:45] <dottedline> you might have to turn on the less tested and unsupported "universe" sights
[06:45] <dottedline> sites
[06:51] <ohnett> does unreal tournament also work on gnu/linux?
[06:52] <Snake__> Hey guys, I got a problem with klipper, anyone wiling to trouble shoot?
[06:53] <Snake__> [00:49]  < Snake__> smileaf: None of the settings change anything. It keeps copying whatever I select, and I have "Ignore Selection" and the seperate selection and clipboard selection" checked
[06:53] <Snake__> (a description of my issue
[06:53] <leafw> Snake__: does it always happen?
[06:53] <Snake__> leafw: has been recently
[06:54] <Snake__> leafw: it did work fine
[06:54] <leafw> Snake__: you may try to logout/login, or to sudo apt-get reinstall klipper, so something of the like
[06:54] <leafw> then
[06:54] <leafw> Snake__: go to ~/.kde/share/config and erase the configuration for klipper.
[06:54] <leafw> do a find ~/.kde/share "*klipper*"
[06:54] <leafw> and see what it saves
[06:55] <Snake__> leafw: alright plz hold
[06:56] <metalhedd> how are the dapper gui admin tools shaping up as compared to ubuntu's?
[06:57] <ohnett> metalhedd: there's no difference between dapper and ubuntu, except for zoom.
[06:58] <metalhedd> i meant kubuntu vs ubuntu, in breezy the gnome tools seemed much more advanced than the kde versions, with the exception of adpet, which is su-weet.
[06:58] <ohnett> metalhedd: that is, dapper is a subset of ubuntu
[06:59] <robotgeek> ohnett: err, dapper is the name
[06:59] <Snake__> leafw: still doin it
[06:59] <ohnett> metalhedd: no idea. i only use kubuntu. i don't care about ubuntu. i dislike using gnome.
[06:59] <regeya> ohnett: dapper is a release name of ubuntu.  bleh.
[06:59] <regeya> kubuntu > *
[07:00] <ohnett> regeya, robotgeek: no, it's not.
[07:00] <robotgeek> !dapper
[07:00] <ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake - /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
[07:00] <ohnett> regeya, robotgeek: not more than breezy is.
[07:00] <metalhedd> i see... I just recall reading briefly somewhere that kubuntu was making some big improvements in that area with the dapper release.
[07:00] <ohnett> regeya, robotgeek: that's why i say they're a subset. that is, a version.
[07:00] <robotgeek> ohnett: oh, that ways :)
[07:01] <Snake__> leafw: any other iders
[07:01] <ohnett> :))
[07:01] <regeya> ohnett: so there's nothing other than subsets available...riiiight...
[07:01] <leafw> Snake__: no more ideas. Downgrade your kde!
[07:01] <leafw> if you really need it so much.
[07:01] <metalhedd> wow... talk about arguing semantics.
[07:01] <Snake__> leafw: but but but it was just working yesterday!
[07:01] <metalhedd> :)
[07:02] <leafw> Snake__: then, it's a config issue for sure
[07:02] <leafw> rename the ~/.kde to ~/.kde_old
[07:02] <leafw> and login/logout
[07:03] <leafw> did you install anything that could conflict?
[07:03] <Snake__> not that im aware off
[07:04] <Snake__> brb let me log out/in
[07:04] <leafw> Snake__:
[07:04] <leafw> Snake__: better yet, just right click the desktop and switch user ... that is, open a new session
[07:04] <leafw> no need to logout in the session you are now.
[07:05] <ohnett> regeya: not in my language :)
[07:05] <regeya> ohnett, not to flagellate a deceased equine, but you should talk to someone about changing 'release names' to 'subsets'.  it's sure to reduce confusion. ;-)  I understand what you're getting at, though.
[07:06] <ohnett> leafw: maybe "logout/login" would be more accurate
[07:06] <ohnett> Snake__: then do it now! :)
[07:06] <leafw> the idea was not to close his irc session
[07:06] <Snake__> Oh man
[07:06] <leafw> since I doubt he is inside a screen/bitchx
[07:06] <Snake__> Naw its in a screen
[07:06] <Snake__> irssi :)
[07:06] <ohnett> regeya :))
[07:06] <leafw> Snake__: cool
[07:06] <leafw> so
[07:06] <Snake__> Anywho....so what now
[07:07] <leafw> is the klipper working now or what
[07:07] <Snake__> Ill check
[07:07] <Snake__> hold on
[07:07] <regeya> Snake__: I'd argue but I can't. ;-) wonder what it'll take to get a decent default setup, anyways
[07:08] <Snake__> regeya: its not KDE...but rather the default set up
[07:08] <ohnett> regeya: well, i simply wanted to evidentiate a logical error they commited (when asking that question), that's why i used logics-related language.
[07:09] <Snake__> leafw: nope, no better
[07:09] <ohnett> regeya: (comparing sets with subsets; or items from different categories, for that matter)
[07:09] <leafw> Snake__: restore your ~/.kde then, who knows what is up with your klipper.
[07:09] <Snake__> Lol
[07:10] <Snake__> brb
[07:10] <regeya> Snake__: don't recall arguing with you...
[07:11] <Snake__> lol
[07:11] <Snake__> OH CRAP
[07:11] <Snake__> NO
[07:11] <Snake__> NO
[07:11] <Snake__> NOOOOOOOOOO
[07:12] <regeya> what now Snake__
[07:12] <Snake__> ARGH
[07:12] <regeya> Snake__: when you move .kde, yes
[07:12] <Snake__> Are you kidding me!
[07:12] <Snake__> ARGH
[07:12] <regeya> Snake__: no.
[07:12] <Snake__> WTF.
[07:13] <Snake__> regeya: why does it do that!
[07:13] <Snake__> I just mv .kde_old .kde
[07:13] <Snake__> Its all stil defualt
[07:13] <regeya> Snake__: uh...
[07:14] <robotgeek> Snake__: cd .kde
[07:14] <robotgeek> ls -al | grep .old_kde
[07:14] <regeya> Snake__: all your presonal settings and whatnot for KDE apps are stored in ~/.kde
[07:15] <Snake__> robotgeek: I just mv .kde_old back to .kde
[07:15] <Snake__> it should all be back
[07:15] <robotgeek> Snake__: no, check the .kde directory, it might have .old_kde directory in there
[07:15] <Snake__> Ohhh
[07:15] <Snake__> good call robotgeek
[08:33] <robotgeek> is Krita the kde equivalent of Gimp
[08:34] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee
[08:34] <robotgeek> is Krita the kde equivalent of Gimp
[08:36] <kalenedrael> Just use the Gimp if you want something that is like Gimp. :P
[08:39] <ohnett> robotgeek: i would say it's the qt equivalent of gimp (just as gimp is not a gnome... equivalent of gimp, but a gtk... equivalent of gimp)
[08:39] <ohnett> robotgeek: and, yes, gimp is the best equivalent of gimp ever.
[08:40] <ohnett> robotgeek :))
[08:48] <Hobbsee> hey robotgeek
[08:49] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee
[08:49] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: doc string freeze is imminent, so finishing off the Desktop Guide
[08:52] <Hobbsee> ah fun
[08:57] <zulqar> hi
[08:58] <zulqar> i need help
[08:58] <zulqar> first i make run.sh shall script
[08:58] <zulqar> i give chmod +x run.sh
[08:58] <zulqar> but when ever i click it won't open inside my own software
[08:58] <zulqar> but when i try with ./run.sh it works?
[08:59] <zulqar> any idea
[08:59] <zulqar> also when every my software display it won't get theme i am using currently mac theme why?
[08:59] <zulqar> software shows with old i mean orginal linux theme
[08:59] <zulqar> anybody?
[09:23] <DevGet> where's the kubuntu desktop guide
[09:23] <DevGet> ?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: ping :P
[09:23] <robotgeek> DevGet: hmm, http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html
[09:26] <DevGet> thx
[09:30] <zulqar> anybody?
[09:30] <robotgeek> !ask
[09:30] <robotgeek> zulqar: just ask
[09:31] <zulqar> i ask allready
[09:31] <zulqar> ok wait let me repast
[09:31] <zulqar> first i make run.sh shall script i give chmod +x run.sh but when ever i click it won't open but when i try with ./run.sh it works? any idea
[09:32] <robotgeek> zulqar: so, it doesnt run with double-click?
[09:32] <zulqar> yep
[09:32] <zulqar> how to make it work with double-click
[09:33] <robotgeek> zulqar: hmm, lemme see
[09:33] <zulqar> bascily i make application with realbasic and i use htmlviewer which is a part of mozilla
[09:33] <zulqar> so i need to give LD_ path ...
[09:34] <zulqar> that's why i need to use shell script to execute
[09:34] <zulqar> otherwise it give error mozilla not found
[09:35] <robotgeek> zulqar: right click on script, then say "Open With.."
[09:35] <zulqar> yes ok?
[09:35] <robotgeek> in the text box, type "/bin/bash" and check the box "Run in terminal" and "Don't close when command exists"
[09:36] <zulqar> hmm it say file not found
[09:36] <zulqar> but ./file is there
[09:36] <robotgeek> zulqar: i don't know, it works for me
[09:37] <zulqar> hmm ok i will try also thanks
[09:37] <zulqar> wait
[09:38] <DevGet> Konqueror chrashed just for me, where to search if it's a known bug?
[09:38] <robotgeek> DevGet: dapper?
[09:39] <DevGet> robotgeek: yes
[09:39] <zulqar> robotgeek: it works thanks
[09:39] <zulqar> i need one more help only
[09:40] <zulqar> when ever software open it won't get current theme
[09:40] <zulqar> it simply use orignal linux theme why?
[09:40] <robotgeek> DevGet: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=konqueror&search=Search
[09:41] <DevGet> I'm not sure if it's konqueror's fault, it krashed when I played real media with kaffeine-plugin
[09:41] <robotgeek> zulqar: no clue, is it gtk app?
[09:41] <zulqar> yes
[09:41] <zulqar> gtk
[09:41] <DevGet> thx robotgeek
[09:42] <robotgeek> zulqar: yeah, gtk apps are not themed under kde. look at K-Menu -> SystemSettings -> Appearance
[09:44] <zulqar> currently it set to
[09:44] <zulqar> use my kde style theme for gtk
[09:45] <robotgeek> zulqar: i am not sure, sorry
[09:45] <zulqar> its ok thank you!
[09:45] <zulqar> :)
[09:47] <zulqar> it works thank you!
[09:47] <zulqar> i just switch back and click apply
[09:47] <zulqar> it works
[09:47] <zulqar> :)
[09:48] <zulqar> if u have check later i am working on this totaly new software idea if u like?
[09:48] <zulqar> trafficprogrammer.com not release yet for linux working on
[09:48] <zulqar> thank you for the help@
[09:50] <robotgeek> good night
[09:51] <zulqar> bye good dream
[09:51] <zulqar> here is day time
[09:51] <zulqar> 2:00pm
[10:23] <Robert17> Morning all
[10:24] <Robert17> anyone aboot ?
[10:24] <ohnett> me
[10:24] <Robert17> I have a quick Question about network settings in Kubuntu...
[10:25] <ohnett> well, roll it over
[10:25] <ohnett> :)
[10:25] <Robert17> well, when I go into network settings it says both my network controllers are disabled, and to click on "administrator mode" to make changes...
[10:26] <Robert17> but there isn't an "administrator mode" clicky in that window, so where can I find it ?
[10:27] <ohnett> try "system settings" from the menu
[10:27] <ohnett> (i assume you're ussing kde)
[10:27] <ohnett> s/ussing/using/
[10:27] <cweb> good morning
[10:27] <Robert17> yes, KDE
[10:28] <Robert17> I have tried system settings but it's not in there either
[10:28] <Robert17> I also tried "SU" in a konsole but I don't know what the default password is (running from a LiveCD)
[10:29] <jock09> livecd only uses sudo
[10:30] <jock09> try sudo -s
[10:31] <Robert17> sudo -s
[10:31] <Robert17> thanks, I'll reboot and try it :-)
[10:31] <Robert17> I'm working off of a livecd as a taster, I want to get to know it a little better then install it onto the hard-drive :)
[10:32] <Robert17> thanks for the helf guys, laters
[10:32] <Robert17> help*
[10:37] <Bushman> hello
[11:49] <ohnett> does dapper offer any possibility to smoothly upgrade from breezy to dapper?
[11:52] <bimberi> !upgrade
[11:52] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade.  Upgrading to dapper (remember it may break). Please test the dist-upgrader -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html.
[11:52] <bimberi> ohnett: the 'dist-upgrader' mentioned above will attempt to make the path a bit smoother than hoary -> breezy was
[11:53] <ohnett> bimberi: thanks
[11:53] <bimberi> ohnett: np :)
[12:23] <bornschein> hi, does anybody of you know how to install a passive isdn card (avm fritz card pci) at least i installed it, but i cant send a fax because he doesn't know /dev/modem
[12:33] <g0dchild> hi, i've got this offline machine on which i plan to install kubuntu- i've downloaded all the files and back'd them up as instructed on the ubuntuguide page-
[12:33] <g0dchild> is there any chance of it b0rking up?
[12:35] <rysiek|pl> hi there
[01:03] <_david> hi, do you know what I need to install to be able to see math symbols in konqueror?
[01:04] <_david> as seen on this page : http://nl.wikibooks.org/wiki/Discrete_Kansrekening:Basisbegrippen/Experiment_en_uitkomstenruimte
[01:14] <rysiek|pl|papu> cu all
[01:21] <tmak> does anyone know a way to compile 2.6.16-rc5 kernel on ppc? make-kpkg doesn't work because of a missing vmlinux.coff
[01:27] <rysiek|pl> ok, anybody knows, why these are FALSE during boot-up (they're in the /etc/init.d/usplash script): 1. pidof usplash > /dev/null 2. [ "$(fgconsole 2>/dev/null)" = "8" ] 
[01:27] <rysiek|pl> they're responsible for the console font not being set properly :)
[01:32] <jackphil> kmldonkey cant launch mlnet at startup
[01:35] <rysiek|pl> jackphil: and it never will be able to
[01:35] <rysiek|pl> kmldonkey is just a GUI
[01:35] <rysiek|pl> you have to run mlnet by yourself
[01:36] <rysiek|pl> (you can always write yourself a script that starts mlnet and then starts kmldonkey)
[01:37] <jackphil> so bad, i think it can auto launch the mlnet at startup, and close mlnet when kmldonkey exit.
[01:38] <jackphil> but kmldonkey has a option like that " launch the core at Kmldonkey start"
[01:39] <rysiek|pl> hmmm, gimme a sec :] 
[01:39] <bandulu> hi
[01:40] <rysiek|pl> jackphil: where do you have such an option?
[01:41] <jackphil> the wizard
[01:41] <jackphil> and let me point where is the mlnet.
[01:42] <rysiek|pl> hmmm, m'kay, I didn't use the wizard, as I have the core on a remote machine
[01:42] <rysiek|pl> I have no idea in this case
[01:51] <jackphil> what is the analog of firestarter in KDE?
[01:51] <jackphil> a firewall GUI tool?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> er...guarddog?
[01:56] <nijan> Hello, is there a way to make vlc look a little bit "pretty". The wx one is pain in the neck. Isn't there a kvlc package or another program uses vlc as engine? Thanks.
[02:01] <_red> hi somebody knows how read ulaw format
[02:02] <stephano_> hi. can sy help me?
[02:03] <stephano_> how can i install kubuntu on ubuntu? i always get a lot of dependency errors
[02:04] <Nomad411> !dapper
[02:04] <ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake - /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
[02:21] <oskari> file:///home/oskari/Tux-termine.jpg
[02:22] <epo> Hi there. I can't get sound to work.
[02:22] <epo> I have tried XMMS, Juk and Amarok but none of them produced sound (I'm trying to play MP3's)
[02:22] <epo> In XMMS the files play, but there just isn't sound
[02:23] <oskari> how i can change my theme in kde
[02:27] <cipi> epo:  install the codecs with automatix
[02:29] <marseillai> hi
[02:29] <marseillai> does kubuntu dapper flight 5 will have graphical installer ?
[02:35] <spiritz> beside Novell,sun and kind of IBM, do u see any other major group involved in opensource linux?
[02:36] <heinkel_111> yes
[02:36] <oskari> hello world can somebody help me how i can change theme in kde
[02:36] <heinkel_111> HP
[02:37] <spiritz> heinkel_111: true, thanks; any other?
[02:37] <ohnett> marseillai: yes, it will does
[02:37] <marseillai> oki ohnett thanks
[02:37] <marseillai> is this the reason why it's late ?
[02:37] <ohnett> marseillai: one of them, i assume
[02:37] <marseillai> oki thanks
[02:37] <heinkel_111> spiritz: I believe so, many are supplying high-performance linux systems
[02:38] <ohnett> marseillai: not the main one, anyway
[02:38] <heinkel_111> it is different with home user dekstops though
[02:38] <marseillai> do you what is the main reason ?
[02:38] <heinkel_111> oskari: did you figure it out yet?
[02:38] <oskari> no
[02:38] <spiritz> marseillai : there is no main reason, they just want to deliver something powerful enough regarding ms vista
[02:39] <heinkel_111> oskari: the K-menu button lower left --> system settings
[02:39] <ohnett> marseillai: plain tweaking; they want to make it best of the best
[02:39] <marseillai> yes but this is only a flight version... not a final!
[02:39] <heinkel_111> oskari: select personal -> appearance
[02:40] <heinkel_111> then you will get a wide selction of options :)
[02:46] <heinkel_111> mmm *COUGH COUGH* is there anyplace on the kubuntu forums i can read about network security issues?
[02:46] <heinkel_111> like...i might need to install a firewall?
[02:48] <i486SL> hello!
[02:48] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...i'm having a bit of a problem with the keyboard layouts. Tha models combobox is empty
[02:48] <i486SL> cannot install kubuntu on my machine! someone has a hint??
[02:48] <m_tadeu> anyone knows how to solve it?
[02:48] <i486SL> install hangs
[02:49] <i486SL> last message i see is : not synced or so
[02:49] <i486SL> kernel panic
[02:50] <i486SL> why is that?
[02:55] <mijndert> m_tadeu, try this: sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11
[02:56] <mijndert> i486SL, are you sure your harddisks are at good health?
[02:57] <i486SL> yes they are
[02:57] <i486SL> a new barracuda from seagate
[02:58] <m_tadeu> mijndert: it worked :) thanx a lot
[02:58] <mijndert> m_tadeu, np
[02:58] <m_tadeu> mijndert: my keyboard model is not available....do you knoe where to get it?
[02:59] <mijndert> No :x what kind of strange keyboard do you have? :P
[02:59] <mijndert> just wondering
[02:59] <m_tadeu> its a logitecg s510
[02:59] <m_tadeu> logitech
[03:05] <i486SL> is it possible to install this system from the harddisk - without CD?
[03:08] <nero> hi
[03:08] <nero> Hat jemadn schon xgl unter Kubuntu zum laufen bekommen?
[03:11] <arrinmurr> !de
[03:11] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[03:11] <nero> danke
[03:16] <gilesw> elo peeps
[03:16] <gilesw> does that xgl thing play nice with kubuntu?
[03:17] <marseillai> yes! but not so nice to install!
[03:17] <gilesw> :/
[03:17] <gilesw> i'm kindof thinking installing kubuntu wasn't such a great idea
[03:17] <gilesw> i've never even used a deb based distro
[03:18] <gilesw> is ubuntu much better supported?
[03:18] <gilesw> i just read that thing linus said about kde vs gnome
[03:18] <arrinmurr> gilesw: kubuntu = ubuntu, just with kde installed by default
[03:18] <marseillai> kubuntu is a great distribution! and for wgl it'll be the same thing with ubuntu
[03:18] <gilesw> so it shouldn't matter too much?
[03:19] <Uma_bis> hi everybody
[03:19] <arrinmurr> gilesw: if you want gnome, just install ubuntu-desktop package
[03:19] <Uma_bis> noob question: how do I open port 21785?
[03:19] <marseillai> the only diffrences is gdm vs kdm gilesw
[03:20] <gilesw> thats the startup screen thing right?
[03:20] <gilesw> i wasn't very impressed by the loader..
[03:20] <gilesw> 256 colour kubuntu logo looked a bit scruffy
[03:32] <lextul> hmm ... i ask myself when the kubuntu flight5 is comming ... *wait*
[03:35] <ubijtsa> lextul: in the next 24h I'd guess
[03:36] <lextul> this would be good .. install issuses with openoffice are fixed now (aptitude works without error since a few minutes)
[03:37] <gilesw> grr this lack of root power is going to get me annoyed
[03:37] <marseillai> lextul: you tell this for dapper flight 5 ?
[03:37] <ubijtsa> gilesw: huh?
[03:37] <gilesw> basically doing everything in a konsole
[03:37] <lextul> hmm ?
[03:37] <ubijtsa> gilesw: use kdesu
[03:37] <gilesw> i was trying to edit some system files in this kate proggy
[03:37] <ubijtsa> kdesu kate <filelist>
[03:38] <gilesw> do i need to script that into the konqueror fileman or something?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> gilesw: no, into a console
[03:39] <gilesw> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[03:39] <gilesw> oh well i'm about to reboot and try out xgl
[03:41] <gilesw> apps don't seem to start up very quickly :(
[03:42] <gilesw> is koffice much more rapid than openoffice?
[03:42] <Dany> people who can help me ?
[03:43] <ubijtsa> koffice is alright, but personally I prefer OO.o
[03:43] <ubijtsa> Dany: with what? :)
[03:43] <gilesw> lols
[03:43] <Dany> how i can run exe or dll under ubuntu &
[03:43] <gilesw> and i thought my qu's were openended..
[03:43] <Dany> i need there !
[03:44] <gilesw> have you tried switching it off and on?
[03:44] <ubijtsa> Dany: with Wine, Qemu, VMware or Bochs
[03:44] <Dany> for my wifi
[03:44] <ubijtsa> Dany: oh, you need to use the NDIS drivers?
 what easy from intall & &
  i use ndiswrapper
[03:45] <ubijtsa> install ndiswrapper, then you can use the ndiswrapper tool to load the sys file
[03:45] <ubijtsa> you do not require running the .exe at all
[03:46] <Dany> i install and confin ndiswrapper but when i load ubuntu
[03:46] <Dany> i see error
[03:46] <Dany>  NDIS load dll
[03:46] <Dany> sorry from my english !
[03:47] <ubijtsa> have you associated the NDIS driver with the wlan interface?
[03:47] <Dany> yes
[03:47] <Dany> i do all !
[03:47] <m0ns00n> Helu
[03:47] <ubijtsa> Hmm.. and you used the Win2k3/WinXP ndis driver?
 tell me about associated
[03:48] <Dany> i use xp drivers
[03:48] <ubijtsa> good
[03:49] <Dany> in install pakage i se only one sis file
[03:49] <ubijtsa> okay..
[03:49] <ubijtsa> is this the sis163u chipset?
[03:49] <Dany> helllp me
[03:50] <Dany> no sis162u
[03:50] <Dany> asus wl 161 pen drive
 whear are you from &
[03:50] <ubijtsa> ok.. should work with Dapper, might work on Breezy
[03:50] <ubijtsa> Dany: .se, but living in .uk
[03:51] <Dany> :)
[03:51] <Dany> i from uz :)
[03:51] <ubijtsa> ok, to associate the installed driver you do ndiswrapper -d devid driver where 'devid' is either PCIID or USBID of the form XXXX:XXXX
[03:51] <Dany> yes
[03:51] <gilesw> xgl here we come
[03:52] <ubijtsa> .uz, Uzbekistan?
[03:52] <Dany> yea !
[03:52] <Dany> my USBID is  * usbid: 2821:0161
[03:52] <ubijtsa> you may want to run ndiswrapper -m, and ndiswrapper -hotplug afterwards
 m is modprobe
 but i dont do hotplug !
[03:53] <ubijtsa> then unplugging the pendrive and plugging it back in should work
[03:54] <ubijtsa> -m and -hotplug only regenerates the info
[03:54] <Dany> i crate modprobe
[03:55] <Dany> oh :(
[03:56] <oskari> how i can change my xmms skin???
[03:56] <ubijtsa> I have one of them little usb dongles as well, and it works for me.. :)
[03:58] <Dany> :) good
[03:59] <Dany> !seen _grigory
[03:59] <sorush20> oskari: there is a .xmms folder in your home and there is a skin folder there.. just download the compressed skins and put them there and when you start xmms is will read the compressed new skin packages..
[04:01] <oskari> okay
 : epo:  install the codecs with automa
[04:12] <epo> How do I do that?
[04:14] <Snake|Sleepin> epo: does that setence include "automatix"?
[04:20] <epo> Yes, it did
[04:20] <epo> Sorry, didn't paste all :/
[04:20] <epo> http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/MP3_on_Ubuntu_5.10 > I just followed this guide tho
[04:20] <epo> What else needs to be done?
[04:20] <epo> I double clicked an MP3, but Amarok doesn't seem to start
[04:20] <epo> Freeze in Linux? =)
[04:49] <DevGet> is it possible to configure so Xgl autostarts in KDE?
[04:59] <Dany> ubijtsa :)
[05:00] <Dany> it's me
[05:01] <Dany> people
[05:01] <Dany> uho help me
[05:01] <Dany> &
[05:02] <Dany> i have a problem .with ndiswrapper
[05:02] <Dany> &&&
[05:02] <Dany> small problem
[05:02] <DeBert> No need for forplay, just tell us what the problem is... :)
[05:06] <slow-motion> hallo
 i install all wifi drivers
[05:07] <Dany> but windows driver didnt detect devise !
[05:07] <DeBert> Can't help you there, i only buy hardware that's 100% Linux compatible, sorry
  when i by asus wl 161
[05:08] <Dany> i work under the windows
[05:10] <_zara> hi!!!
[05:12] <baldur> hey I am new to kubuntu can someone direct me to a place where I can configure which icons show up on my desktop? I would like to se the hard drive and trash there forexample.
[05:14] <k0llin> baldur -> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash will show the trashcan.
[05:15] <k0llin> I don't know about drives, but would uimagine it's a similar process?
[05:15] <blu> hello 2 all
[05:16] <blu> vreun roman p-aci? :D
[05:16] <baldur> thanks k0llin
[05:17] <baldur> this is like the unofficial ubuntu counterpart excellent
[05:20] <oskari> why printscreen is not working
[05:21] <oskari> in kde
[05:23] <k0llin> you have to hold alt whilst pressing printscreen, or use ksnapshot
[05:43] <Random_Transit> hey, does anyone know if there are precompiled packages available on any ubu repos for giFT's FastTrack and Ares plugins?
[05:44] <Random_Transit> 'cos ./configure scripts bug the crap outta me
[05:55] <misieq> hi there! i have compaq slim desktop pc with integrated intel ethernet card
[05:56] <misieq> but kubuntu seems not to have to set it up
[05:56] <misieq> how can i set it up?
[05:57] <misieq> you lot kinda talk much...
[06:02] <Random_Transit> misieq...this is a small matter
[06:02] <Random_Transit> do you use DHCP?
[06:03] <Random_Transit> oh...wait, INTEGRATED on desktop?
[06:03] <Random_Transit> ooh...i misread that
[06:03] <prateep> hi all.  Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but I've just upgraded to Dapper and I can no longer get sound working under KDE.  Sound outside of KDE works fine.  Any help much appreciated
[06:04] <Random_Transit> prateep, try restarting artsd?
[06:04] <prateep> random:  yes
[06:04] <Random_Transit> hmm...
[06:05] <prateep> speaker--test works fine with sound system disabled
[06:05] <Random_Transit> what hardware?
[06:05] <prateep> c-media onboard sound
[06:06] <Random_Transit> interesting...well, it's not a hardware problem...most onboard devices can be detected immidiately
[06:06] <Random_Transit> at least in my experiences
[06:07] <Random_Transit> what other WMs/DEs are you running?
[06:07] <prateep> sorry... WMs?  DEs?
[06:07] <chx> Dapper Flight5 when? With the six-week delay , I think I am ready to try this flight.
[06:07] <Random_Transit> window managers and Desktop Environments
[06:07] <chx> prateep: Window Managers/Desktop Environemnts
[06:07] <chx> prateep: say, XFCE , Metacity, Gnome etc.
[06:08] <prateep> haven't tried others
[06:08] <Random_Transit> ok...
[06:08] <Random_Transit> and the sound works fine in XFCE and GNOME, huh?
[06:08] <prateep> sound works outside of kde ie using speaker-test
[06:09] <Tm_T> prateep: hmm, have you tried to use other than arts to play notification sounds?
[06:09] <Random_Transit> have you checked to see if arts is a properly installed package?
[06:09] <Phantom^^> Hey can someone help me with seeing windows shares from a kubnutu machine ?
[06:10] <Random_Transit> Phantom^^, I'm assuming you have samba installed?
[06:10] <arrinmurr> Phantom^^: smb:/ in konqueror?
[06:11] <prateep> arts certainly appears to be there and installed ok
[06:11] <Tm_T> prateep: any reason why to use arts at all?
[06:11] <Phantom^^> yeah, I do, I can see the other hosts, the problem is getting access to them
[06:12] <Phantom^^> everytime I click on an icon I just get cannot connect to host ...
[06:12] <Random_Transit> Phantom^^, what version of windows is running on the machines in question
[06:13] <Phantom^^> they will all be xp sp2
[06:13] <Random_Transit> home or professional?
[06:13] <Phantom^^> pro and home
[06:13] <Random_Transit> okay, home hoses samba fileshares like there's no tomorrow
[06:14] <Phantom^^> hoses ?
[06:14] <Phantom^^> strangles ?
[06:14] <Random_Transit> yeah, pretty much ^_^
[06:14] <Phantom^^> hehe
[06:15] <Random_Transit> i'm a canadian, so i say "hoser" a lot
[06:15] <Random_Transit> anyway...i've only ever had success sharing files TO an XP home machine
[06:15] <Phantom^^> Yeah, I'm in halls at university and well everyone shares their files so, I cannot give you precise settings about the shares i'm trying to access
[06:15] <Phantom^^> lol
[06:15] <Phantom^^> yeah
[06:16] <lolziac> is there any good tutorial how to install Gnome and remove KDE
[06:16] <lolziac> ???
[06:16] <Phantom^^> but It works under xp fine
[06:17] <misieq__> Phantom^^, what's the problem i had once succeded in seting up sharing between xp and some linux... fill me in
[06:17] <Random_Transit> lolziac, open synaptic, search for GNOME, mark all packages for install, search for KDE, mark all packages for removal
[06:18] <misieq__> lolziac, in synaptic there should be section to the left - try marking/unmarking them
[06:18] <lolziac> i dont have synaptic
[06:18] <lolziac> im with kde
[06:18] <lolziac> ???
[06:18] <Random_Transit> kynaptic, then
[06:18] <misieq__> lolziac, then install synaptic
[06:18] <Phantom^^> Umm, well I'm trying to see peoples shares in my hall of residence at university, I have samba installed ok (i think) I can see their machines if i type smb:/ in konqueror but I cannot access the shares
[06:18] <Random_Transit> or adept
[06:18] <lolziac> 1 sec plz
[06:18] <lolziac> :)
[06:19] <nxv_> hi
[06:19] <misieq__> Phantom^^, do the shares end with '$' ?
[06:19] <nxv_> can anybody suggest me a programm to display the structure of an DTD
[06:19] <misieq__> nxv_, perhaps quanta?
[06:20] <Phantom^^> eek more precisley I can see the folders of the hosts I cannot actually access the hosts at all to see the individual shared folders.
[06:20] <misieq__> Phantom^^, perhaps you have to authenticate?
[06:21] <lolziac> who can help in private :)
[06:21] <nxv_> misieq__: is quanta capable of more than syntax highlighting?
[06:21] <noteventime> 'ello
[06:21] <misieq__> Phantom^^, afair, try smb:/user:pass@server/share or something like that
[06:21] <Phantom^^> idd, but under xp i don't have to.
[06:21] <Random_Transit> lolziac...msg me
[06:21] <misieq__> nxv_ dunno, i haven't spent much time with quanta..
[06:21] <Phantom^^> the majority do not have usr/pass
[06:21] <noteventime> Stupid question, but how do i change the mouse sensitivity in KDE?
[06:22] <noteventime> nxv_: How do you mean cabable of more?
[06:22] <beefsprocket> noteventime: system settings -> mouse -> Advanced
[06:22] <noteventime> And what option?
[06:22] <noteventime> threshold?
[06:22] <misieq__> Phantom^^, try identifying as guest ...
[06:22] <nxv_> noteventime: enfold the structure as a tree would be helpfull
[06:23] <beefsprocket> acceleration I think
[06:23] <noteventime> Its not acceleration I'm after
[06:23] <misieq__> Phantom^^, oh, and smb4k may come handy
[06:23] <Phantom^^> what is the pass for guest ?
[06:23] <noteventime> I want the sense
[06:23] <nxv_> noteventime: a element is defined as a session of entitys and i have to do a search in files what is very confusing.
[06:23] <Phantom^^> yes i have tried smb4k
[06:23] <Phantom^^> but the config daunts me.
[06:24] <Phantom^^> what is the defualt pass for a guest login
[06:24] <noteventime> nvx_: What language are you developing in?
[06:24] <misieq__> Phantom^^, there is none pass
[06:24] <misieq__> is there any tool in kubuntu that allows me to easily configure networking?
[06:25] <nxv_> noteventime: what language... i dont use any programming language at the moment. i have a dtd that defines an xml structure which i want to adopt to my needs
[06:25] <Phantom^^> guys I got to run and get some food, thanks for the help. I'll be back later
[06:26] <noteventime> nxv_: Is there something like configure editor?
[06:26] <Monument> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[06:26] <noteventime> nxv_: I was pretty sure there was code folding availible
[06:26] <Monument> Can someone give me a hint on that one? Trying to install knmap
[06:26] <noteventime> sure
[06:27] <HymnToLife> Monument> what are you trying to build  ?
[06:27] <beefsprocket> Monument: apt-get install kdelibs4-dev and kdebase-dev
[06:27] <Monument> HymnToLife, knmap
[06:27] <noteventime> Monument: Its xSOMETHING-dev
[06:27] <beefsprocket> that should get you the xlibs-dev too
[06:27] <Monument> beefsprocket, thanks, let me try that :)
[06:27] <beefsprocket> Monument: you'll need both those packages for pretty much anything kde anyways
[06:27] <nxv_> noteventime: sorry i don't know what you mean wiht configure editor. i need something that parses my dtd an displays it graphical
[06:28] <noteventime> nxv_: I'm pretty sure quanta has code folding have you taken a look in the settings dialog?
[06:28] <Monument> beefsprocket, Well, I haven't had the use to compile anything with kubuntu before, and gentoo pretty much had everything compile stuff installed. :)
[06:28] <HymnToLife> Monument> then try sudo apt-get build-dep knmap
[06:29] <nxv_> noteventime: yes it has codefolding. but this doesn't help to resolve the connections between elements and entities in the dtd structure. i think i need a dtd editor that supports that
[06:29] <noteventime> nxv_: Ahhh, I must have missunderstood you, sorry
[06:29] <beefsprocket> Monument: HymnToLife is right, if you want the ubuntu source, then use build-dep
[06:30] <nxv_> noteventime: i don't think so. you helped me to get aware of what i realy require :)
[06:30] <noteventime> hehe
[06:30] <Monument> beefsprocket, the dev packages fixed it for me,:)
[06:30] <__mikem> does anyone want to see something very horific
[06:30] <beefsprocket> Monument: excellent
[06:30] <noteventime> at least something ^^
[06:30] <Monument> I'll read up on the build-dep thing :)
[06:30] <noteventime> __mikem: Bill Gates running linux?
[06:31] <__mikem> close
[06:31] <Monument> Thanks for the excelent help beefsprocket and HymnToLife :)
[06:31] <tomcatt> hello all...
[06:31] <beefsprocket> its like apt-get but it builds the package and then installs --rather like emerge
[06:31] <__mikem> look at this http://www.xpde.com/shots.php
[06:31] <tomcatt> has anyone tried to upgrade their breezey to dapper yet?
[06:31] <beefsprocket> tomcatt: ye
[06:31] <HymnToLife> !dapper
[06:31] <ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake - /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
[06:32] <nxv_> noteventime: google brings up xml spy when i look for an dtd editor but i cant get any results for linux
[06:32] <beefsprocket> tomcatt: works well and flight 5 posted 2 days ago
[06:32] <noteventime> nxv_: Have you taken a look in apt?
[06:34] <tomcatt> !dapper
[06:34] <ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake - /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
[06:34] <noteventime> apt-cache search dtd
[06:34] <noteventime> try ^^
[06:34] <nxv_> noteventime: i did. best thing i found was kxml. but not capable to open a dtd
[06:35] <noteventime> ok
[06:35] <noteventime> Maybe there is some kind of KDevelop plugin :/
[06:37] <noteventime> I've never tried editing XML with KDevelop, but i think there is a plugin
[06:37] <Monument> beefsprocket, well, knmap is not in my repository, thats why I'm building it from source
[06:37] <tomcatt> !breezey
[06:37] <ubotu> tomcatt: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:37] <noteventime> !breezy
[06:37] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:37] <noteventime> !warty
[06:37] <ubotu> hmm... warty is short for warty warthog which is the first release of ubuntu
[06:37] <tomcatt> !breezy
[06:39] <beefsprocket> Monument: ah, make sense
[06:39] <beefsprocket> you can use nmapfe though from insecure.org
[06:39] <Monument> Yeah, I've looked at that one, gave me an headache just trying to install it
[06:39] <noteventime> make: *** No rule to make target `sense'.  Stop.
[06:40] <beefsprocket> yeah it does have some strange dependencies
[06:40] <Monument> Don't remember what it was though, but I ended up using commandline
[06:40] <beefsprocket> cli is easier once you get the hang of it though
[06:41] <Monument> And now I was peaking around at kde-apps and found knmap, looked easy enough
[06:41] <beefsprocket> looks like it is in dapper (could be in universe?)
[06:41] <Monument> I think I have universe and multiverse
[06:42] <beefsprocket> must be unique to dapper then
[06:42] <Monument> I haven't really peaked around in kubuntu, very new too this distro
[06:42] <Ardarandir> Moin
[06:42] <noteventime> 'ello
[06:43] <beefsprocket> Monument: I came over from gentoo a while back
[06:44] <Monument> Let my pastebin my errors
[06:44] <noteventime> Gentoo is nice but take WAY to much time...
[06:44] <beefsprocket> kk
[06:44] <Monument> So, if anyone want's to take a look
[06:44] <Monument> noteventime, well, gentoo with distcc is nice, I have 8ghz in a cluster :P
[06:44] <beefsprocket> that would be nice!
[06:44] <noteventime> Haha
[06:45] <noteventime> I have 1.73ghz Pentium M :/
[06:45] <Monument> http://pastebin.com/598156
[06:45] <Monument> noteventime, thats my laptop, :)
[06:45] <beefsprocket> noteventime: same, is great for a laptop isn't it?
[06:45] <Monument> M is sweet
[06:46] <noteventime> true
[06:46] <beefsprocket> Monument: do you have automake and autoconf installed?
[06:46] <Monument> beefsprocket, yes
[06:46] <Monument> Just updated them too
[06:46] <beefsprocket> hmm, sometimes packages don't like automake over 1.4
[06:46] <beefsprocket> might check that
[06:47] <Monument> marius@mariuslaptop:~/Desktop/knmap-2.1$ automake --version
[06:47] <Monument> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
[06:47] <beefsprocket> hmm, that's no good
[06:47] <Monument> Downgrade?
[06:47] <beefsprocket> let me find the knmap source and try it out too
[06:48] <noteventime> gtg
[06:48] <Monument> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/knmap/knmap-2.1.tar.bz2?use_mirror=heanet
[06:48] <beefsprocket> the 0.9 source or the 0.72?
[06:48] <Monument> There's the one I use now
[06:49] <Monument> On nmap? Or the frontend?
[06:49] <beefsprocket> for knamp
[06:49] <Monument> knmap is 2.1
[06:49] <misieq__> is there any tool in kubuntu that allows me to easily configure networking?
[06:49] <Monument> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31108
[06:49] <Monument> The one at the top
[06:52] <Monument> beefsprocket, getting somewhere? :)
[06:53] <beefsprocket> gah, I can't even get ./configure to complete
[06:53] <Monument> Maybe I'll try nmapfe again :P
[06:53] <GameOver69> hey guys i just installed the linux 686 kernal and when i rebooted.... i always get to the command prompt/terminal... how do i get back into the GUI
[06:53] <beefsprocket> Monument: I think I have the .deb lying around somehwere if you'd like
[06:54] <Monument> beefsprocket, strange enough, the nmapfe was in my repository
[06:54] <Monument> And it works, out-of-the-box
[06:54] <beefsprocket> well then
[06:54] <Ardarandir> re
[06:54] <Monument> I wonder when it was added
[06:54] <beefsprocket> excellent
[06:54] <beefsprocket> is nmap version 3.5 or 4.0 for you?
[06:54] <Monument> beefsprocket, Thank you once again for the patience and help :)
[06:55] <Monument> 3.81
[06:55] <Monument> Right in the middle
[06:55] <GameOver69> can anyone help?
[06:55] <beefsprocket> didn't solve it in the most elegant manner, but it works :)
[06:55] <beefsprocket> GameOver69: do you have an nvidia or ati videocard?
[06:56] <beefsprocket> GameOver69: and have you edited your xorg.conf to make it use the nvidia or fglrx module?
[06:56] <GameOver69> ati
[06:56] <GameOver69> no
[06:56] <Monument> beefsprocket, well, as long as stuff works the way they are intended to do, I am more than happy
[06:56] <Monument> :)
[06:56] <beefsprocket> indeed
[06:56] <GameOver69> beefsprocket... i actually just edited the xorg.conf file to enable my middle mouse button on my laptop to work
[06:56] <GameOver69> but thats it
[06:56] <beefsprocket> GameOver69: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[06:56] <GameOver69> i just downloaded the 686 kernal and now i cant get in
[06:57] <GameOver69> beefsprocket: how can i view it in konsole?
[06:57] <beefsprocket> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |less
[06:57] <beefsprocket> that way you can scroll through it (the error should be at the end however)
[06:59] <Monument> nano is an easy text editor, so when the time comes to fix the error, ^w ^t and type in the line number
[06:59] <GameOver69> beefsproket: parese error on line 51 of section Input Devisce in file /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[06:59] <GameOver69> the option key word requires 1 or 2 quoted strings to foloow it
[06:59] <GameOver69> same thing for parse error on line 52
[06:59] <GameOver69> (EE) problem paring the config file
[06:59] <beefsprocket> GameOver69: ok, what is on those lines in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:00] <GameOver69> then at the end it says Fata; server error:
[07:00] <GameOver69> no screens fouind
[07:00] <GameOver69> (WW) xf86Clsoe Consoloe: KDESETMODE failed: bad file descriptor
[07:00] <GameOver69> and same for VT_GETMODE
[07:01] <GameOver69> how do i get out of viwing the log file
[07:01] <beefsprocket> q
[07:01] <GameOver69> ok how cna i view whats in xorg.conf
[07:01] <beefsprocket> and then do like Monument said, ^w ^t 52
[07:01] <beefsprocket> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:02] <Monument> Is it not wise to append the -w switch=
[07:02] <Monument> ?
[07:02] <Monument> Or do I just do that out of old habit?
[07:03] <beefsprocket> Monument: in which, namp or nano?
[07:03] <Monument> nano
[07:03] <beefsprocket> (i;ve never used it in either)
[07:03] <GameOver69> ok i need to do it again but i cant get out of nano.... sorry im newb :(
[07:03] <beefsprocket> Monument: ah, that's a gentooism isn't it?
[07:03] <beefsprocket> GameOver69: ctrl+x
[07:04] <Monument> beefsprocket, yeah ;)
[07:04] <Marrs> -w for nano makes sure lines are not wrapped when too long (which kinda messes up most config files ;) )
[07:04] <beefsprocket> I do remeber using it, never even noticed not using it now
[07:06] <GameOver69> i think its because of the mouse optoopn
[07:06] <GameOver69> insteald of "Emulate WHeel" it has blocks aorund it
[07:06] <beefsprocket> GameOver69: yeah, that's the section. do you have a particular mouse that you need a special config for?
[07:07] <GameOver69> well its built into the laptop
[07:07] <GameOver69> the mouse wheel button never worked
[07:07] <Monument> GameOver69, type in excactly what you appended to your config )
[07:07] <beefsprocket> so is that section commented out with #'s?
[07:07] <Monument> That way, it is easier too see if you have syntax errors
[07:08] <GameOver69> it works now
[07:09] <GameOver69> i have a question though
[07:09] <beefsprocket> ?
[07:09] <GameOver69> can i delte my 386 kernals
[07:09] <GameOver69> since i have 686 now
[07:09] <beefsprocket> GameOver69: you can once you are sure everything works
[07:09] <beefsprocket> I keep them around anywaus and just comment out the sections in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:10] <GameOver69> ok and do i need 686 programs or will the ones for 386 still work
[07:11] <beefsprocket> everything will work with no problem
[07:11] <GameOver69> oh great
[07:11] <GameOver69> now here is my only other issue
[07:11] <GameOver69> how od i get my ati radeon 7500 working properly
[07:11] <GameOver69> the wiki's u guys direct me to are for 8500 and above
[07:11] <GameOver69> and dont work
[07:12] <beefsprocket> hmm, I've got an ati, so I'm out of my league there
[07:13] <GameOver69> i have the xfglrx drivers isntalle dbut it cant handle ANY kind of 3d
[07:13] <beefsprocket> but you might try apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`and xorg-drive-fglrx, or fglrx-kernel-source
[07:13] <GameOver69> slow as anything
[07:13] <cdromke> hmm
[07:13] <beefsprocket> did you change the line in your xorg from radeon to fglrx?
[07:14] <cdromke> little question....
[07:14] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, which card? depending on how new the drivers are your the drivers may not support your card anymore in 3d mode
[07:15] <cdromke> i have ubuntu, and i've installed KDE, which makes it kubuntu?
[07:15] <GameOver69> i didnt touch anything
[07:15] <TeRaHuRtZ> What card?
[07:15] <TeRaHuRtZ> Thats all im asking
[07:15] <GameOver69> i have a ati radeon mobility 7500\
[07:15] <TeRaHuRtZ> Ahh thats why
[07:15] <cdromke> and KDE uses a resolution which is too high for my monitor to display correctly @ 75Hz
[07:15] <TeRaHuRtZ> The newest ATI drivers don't support 3d for that card
[07:16] <GameOver69> so then what do i do
[07:16] <GameOver69> or what can i do
[07:16] <cdromke> install older drivers
[07:16] <TeRaHuRtZ> Call ATI and tell them their drivers suck :P
[07:16] <TeRaHuRtZ> Or use older ones
[07:18] <cdromke> hmm
[07:18] <cdromke> ok
[07:18] <cdromke> found that out...
[07:18] <cdromke> now everything is f*cking huge
[07:19] <GameOver69> well can u tell me how i can get the last older drivers that worked, and install everything properly?
[07:19] <cdromke> hmm
[07:19] <cdromke> does ATi have an ftp server?
[07:19] <cdromke> with drivers on it
[07:19] <TeRaHuRtZ> Um I can give you a guide to install the drivers, thats about it, I don't know where to get older drivers, google and sure you can find it
[07:20] <TeRaHuRtZ> I have the same problem also, on my laptop but it doesn't bother me as I don't do anything involving 3d
[07:20] <GameOver69> ahh ok
[07:20] <TeRaHuRtZ> I have the same card actually
[07:20] <GameOver69> what is skim... i see that it is loaded
[07:20] <GameOver69> do i need it?
[07:20] <TeRaHuRtZ> loaded?
[07:20] <TeRaHuRtZ> under what?
[07:21] <GameOver69> its a kde frontend
[07:21] <TeRaHuRtZ> No idea
[07:21] <GameOver69> hmm ok i guess ill get rid of it....
[07:22] <TeRaHuRtZ> I need to find a chess game that doesn't suck
[07:22] <GameOver69> last question i ahve dapper and mpalyer crashes ... only works in konsole
[07:22] <TeRaHuRtZ> Umm
[07:22] <GameOver69> it crashes upon boot in gui form
[07:22] <TeRaHuRtZ> upon boot or upon program startup?
[07:22] <GameOver69> program startup
[07:23] <beefsprocket> TeRaHuRtZ: tried the fics java applet for chess?
[07:24] <TeRaHuRtZ> Never heard of it, I'm sick of gnuchess and all the front ends I have for it, mainly cause it's to hard to customize the skill level and time etc
[07:24] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, I have no idea's on that one
[07:24] <tijn> hey all
[07:24] <TeRaHuRtZ> It working fine for me
[07:24] <Marrs> I play chess at yahoo games occasionally
[07:24] <Marrs> it's no pretty interface or anything, but it works
[07:24] <tijn> any way to play asf files?
[07:24] <GameOver69> u using dapper TeraHurtz?
[07:24] <TeRaHuRtZ> Codecs
[07:25] <beefsprocket> TeRaHuRtZ: try freechess.org, you can play with people through most linux boards or they have their own java app
[07:25] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, yes
[07:25] <GameOver69> it works for u?
[07:25] <TeRaHuRtZ> I want to to play machines :)
[07:25] <beefsprocket> TeRaHuRtZ: I think that fritz 8 works under wine
[07:25] <TeRaHuRtZ> We need a chessmaster remake for *nix
[07:25] <beefsprocket> chessmaster 10 works for me with crossover
[07:25] <TeRaHuRtZ> :)
[07:25] <TeRaHuRtZ> nice
[07:25] <beefsprocket> indeed
[07:26] <TeRaHuRtZ> I'm gonna have to look usenet for a version of chessmaster
[07:26] <beefsprocket> i think 8000 willl work with the wine beta
[07:26] <TeRaHuRtZ> i have cxoffice
[07:26] <beefsprocket> ... no comment... :p
[07:26] <TeRaHuRtZ> Professional edition or whatever it's called
[07:27] <beefsprocket> there's always vmware too
[07:27] <beefsprocket> .iso backups have saved me repurchasing many a game
[07:27] <TeRaHuRtZ> I haven't used windows since 1997, I'd rather stay away from vmware and thinks alike
[07:28] <TeRaHuRtZ> beefsprocket, i was being sarcastic
[07:28] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, try Xine or VLC
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Might have better luck
[07:29] <GameOver69> i liked mpalyer though :(
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Hmm
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> what frontend are you using?
[07:29] <GameOver69> it owrks in my browser
[07:29] <GameOver69> and in the terminal
[07:29] <GameOver69> i dont know.... whatever is in the repositories....
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Hmm
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Isn't kaffeine a mplayer frontend, i forget
[07:29] <m5m> Does anyone use Konqueror to rip audio cds?
[07:29] <GameOver69> no
[07:29] <GameOver69> and i dont like kaffeine
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Hmm
[07:29] <TeRaHuRtZ> Sorry I can't help ya
[07:30] <TeRaHuRtZ> :/
[07:30] <GameOver69> its ok
[07:30] <GameOver69> i just removed some of the 386 kernals with adept but they still seem to show up in grub
[07:30] <m5m> what is your favorite cd-ripping app?
[07:30] <GameOver69> how do i get rid of them
[07:30] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, why are you removing things randomly?
[07:30] <GameOver69> im not doing it randomly
[07:31] <GameOver69> just cleaning up
[07:31] <GameOver69> and i just want to get rid of some kernals
[07:31] <GameOver69> and keep the newer ones
[07:31] <TeRaHuRtZ> And they will still be in grub because grub has its own config
[07:31] <TeRaHuRtZ>  /boot/grub/grub.conf usually
[07:32] <TeRaHuRtZ> Heh
[07:33] <stupendo44> GameOver69: there's probably some packages from the kernel left. In my experience, after removing all of the related packages (I think there's 3) the entry in grub was automatically removed.
[07:33] <TeRaHuRtZ> Nothing should be touching the grub
[07:33] <GameOver69> what are some related packages?
[07:33] <TeRaHuRtZ> Even when uninstalling things
[07:34] <stupendo44> GameOver69: I'm trying to find out for you, one sec
[07:34] <GameOver69> k thanks
[07:35] <stupendo44> GameOver69: it looks like the 2 main ones are "linux-headers-blah-blah" and "linux-image-blah-blah"
[07:35] <GameOver69> ok great
[07:35] <stupendo44> GameOver69: just make sure you're not removing the wrong kernel
[07:36] <stupendo44> GameOver69: make sure the version you're removing is the one you want to remove
[07:36] <GameOver69> heres a wierd question... i installed firefox 1.5 manually.. no repositories.. now adept has picke dup my installation and wants to update it
[07:36] <GameOver69> im afraid if it does like with 1.07 it will be slow and wont let me update the program
[07:36] <TeRaHuRtZ> I dont use gui frontend package managers
[07:37] <TeRaHuRtZ> Can't help ya there
[07:37] <GameOver69> anyone?... should i ugrpade to the ubuntu version or should i keep the one i manually isntalled?
[07:37] <stupendo44> GameOver69: I also have a "linux-resticted-modules-blah-blah" that corresponds with the kernel version, but I don't know if that is necessary to remove the entry from grub. If you have that installed, I would remove it as well
[07:37] <TeRaHuRtZ> You need the headers also
[07:37] <stupendo44> GameOver69: what version does Adept say that you have?
[07:38] <GameOver69> 1.5.1 ubuntu candatidate 5
[07:38] <TeRaHuRtZ> I wouldn't be randomly removing kernel headers and things, you will need those at some point
[07:38] <GameOver69> and i think it wants to install cantidate 7
[07:38] <GameOver69> but again i never did it through adept... so i dont understand
[07:38] <stupendo44> TeRaHuRtZ: we're talking about the old versions
[07:39] <TeRaHuRtZ> stupendo44, I hope he realizes that ;)
[07:39] <stupendo44> TeRaHuRtZ: read up above
[07:39] <GameOver69> yeah i did... works fine Terahurtz
[07:39] <TeRaHuRtZ> Oh it will work without headers, but when it comes time to install something that depends on em...
[07:40] <stupendo44> GameOver69: it seems odd that Adept would pick up a manual install. I haven't heard of this happening
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> But anyways
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> Adept will pick up a manual install
[07:40] <stupendo44> TeRaHuRtZ: on an old kernel? one he's not using?
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> Thats a no brainer
[07:40] <GameOver69> stupendo44: thats why im afraid of installing it
[07:40] <GameOver69> cause i think it iwll screw things up
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> Adept is a frontend to apt get
[07:40] <TeRaHuRtZ> Any time you install a .deb apt-get realizes that
[07:41] <stupendo44> GameOver69: what repos are you using?
[07:41] <GameOver69> i didnt use a repo
[07:41] <TeRaHuRtZ> even if you installed it manually
[07:41] <GameOver69> i dowloaded it as a tar
[07:41] <GameOver69> put it in /opt
[07:41] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, its fine
[07:41] <GameOver69> and followed whatever instructions i ahd to to make it work as if i installed it from a repo
[07:41] <TeRaHuRtZ> I just used the repos to get 1.5
[07:41] <stupendo44> GameOver69: right, that's what I thought.
[07:41] <TeRaHuRtZ> Edited my sources.list
[07:42] <stupendo44> GameOver69: what repos are you using right now that have 1.5.0.1. The breezy repo doesn't
[07:42] <GameOver69> dapper
[07:42] <TeRaHuRtZ> hes using dapper
[07:42] <TeRaHuRtZ> like me...
[07:42] <stupendo44> ah, ok
[07:42] <TeRaHuRtZ> GameOver69, just go ahead and update, if it downgrades for some reason you can always go back
[07:42] <GameOver69> so should i install it?
[07:43] <TeRaHuRtZ> It's not that big of a deal
[07:43] <GameOver69> and does it allow u to update it now ... rmemeber in 1.07 it woul dnot let u
[07:43] <GameOver69> internally within the firefox program
[07:43] <TeRaHuRtZ> I dont know, I don't use FF often, to bloated and memory leaky for me
[07:44] <GameOver69> huh ok.... last questiont hen i wont bother u guys anymore.... since i updated to the new amarok... it never ocnnects to music brainz
[07:44] <GameOver69> any clue how to fix this
[07:45] <GameOver69> and i cant find lyrics... keeps saying i odnt have a script or something
[07:45] <TeRaHuRtZ> Can't help ya there, I'm using XMMS
[07:45] <TeRaHuRtZ> :/
[07:45] <TeRaHuRtZ> BRB gotta bring the dog out
[07:45] <stupendo44> GameOver69: I believe that when you use adept (or apt-get) to install Firefox, it doesn't allow internal updating because that would theoretically screw up what apt-get thinks that you have.
[07:46] <GameOver69> ok so then i wont upgrade
[07:46] <GameOver69> whats the best way to customize my desktop to make it look super nice
[07:47] <stupendo44> GameOver69: in what way?
[07:48] <ziza> Xgl = super nice :D
[07:48] <GameOver69> like to look different then the normal setup
[07:48] <GameOver69> i alrady have diff icons
[07:48] <GameOver69> and mouse pointers
[07:48] <GameOver69> whats xgl?
[07:49] <stupendo44> GameOver69: http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[07:49] <stupendo44> GameOver69: and the howto for dapper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto
[07:50] <stupendo44> xgl
[07:50] <stupendo44> xgl's pretty cool
[07:50] <Chousuke> It'll take a while before Xgl is reliable enough for everyone to use though.
[07:50] <stupendo44> Chousuke: right
[07:51] <stupendo44> Chousuke: it worked fine for me. And I've heard good comments about the xgl live cd
[07:51] <GameOver69> man that looks crazy
[07:51] <Snake__> GameOver69: Its awesome ;)
[07:51] <stupendo44> Kororaa
[07:51] <Snake__> Kororaa is the way to go
[07:51] <Chousuke> I'd like to play with Xgl too, but I can't
[07:51] <Snake__> Chousuke: Low PC specs/
[07:52] <stupendo44> Chousuke: download the Kororaa live cd, it has xgl all set
[07:52] <Chousuke> Snake__: no.
[07:52] <Chousuke> Snake__: a powerbook
[07:52] <Snake__> Oh
[07:52] <stupendo44> ah
[07:52] <stupendo44> that'll do it
[07:52] <Chousuke> with an nvidia card too
[07:52] <Snake__> Chousuke: doesnt dapper run on mac?
[07:52] <Chousuke> Snake__: it does.
[07:52] <Chousuke> Snake__: but I won't get 3d acceleration
[07:52] <Snake__> Oh
[07:52] <Snake__> ya thats a problem
[07:52] <stupendo44> question: does Mac OS X have the wobbly windows thing?
[07:52] <GameOver69> kororaa now what is that
[07:53] <Snake__> GameOver69: a live disk made just to demo XGL
[07:53] <TeRaHuRtZ> a xgl live cd
[07:53] <stupendo44> http://www.kororaa.org/
[07:53] <Chousuke> stupendo44: the engine is capable of doing that, but it's not implemented :/
[07:53] <stupendo44> Chousuke: I see
[07:53] <Chousuke> Well hmm
[07:53] <Chousuke> perhaps Xgl will be ported to the mac someday. :D
[07:54] <GameOver69> well anything to make my desktop look good without all the crazy 3d things... i dont think my card works iwth 3d
[07:54] <Snake__> GameOver69: KDE
[07:54] <Snake__> :P
[07:54] <stupendo44> GameOver69: currently, the only way of download the Kororaa live cd is with Bittorrent. Faster, also.
[07:54] <stupendo44> lol
[07:55] <Snake__> stupendo44: I got it off a mirror
[07:55] <Snake__> stupendo44: but I dont know how to use it :(
[07:55] <stupendo44> Snake__: ok
[07:55] <Snake__> it wont boot
[07:55] <stupendo44> Snake__: it won't?
[07:55] <stupendo44> Snake__: what did you burn it with?
[07:55] <GameOver69> wlel i have kde i just want to customize it real nice
[07:55] <Snake__> stupendo44: I think its a ID ten T error
[07:55] <stupendo44> Snake__: yeah, that
[07:55] <Snake__> stupendo44: Nero 6.14
[07:55] <stupendo44> that's the most common
[07:56] <stupendo44> Snake__: are you used to burning images?
[07:56] <stupendo44> isos
[07:56] <Snake__> stupendo44: I burned it like I would any other iso, open nero burning rom, press "o" select the iso, check finalize cd, and burn
[07:56] <stupendo44> Snake__: ok
[07:56] <stupendo44> Snake__: does it show anything if you view the cd in Windows?
[07:57] <Snake__> stupendo44: yes, all the files are there, but there in a folder called kororaa...which I dunno if that would cause a problem
[07:57] <stupendo44> Snake__: that shouldn't cause a problem by itself. I've downloaded the iso, but haven't burned it yet
[07:57] <stupendo44> maybe I'll do that now and test it
[07:58] <Snake__> Alright
[07:59] <GameOver69> so nothing then?
[07:59] <Snake__> ?
[08:00] <GameOver69> for non 3d accelerated desktop customization for kde
[08:00] <Snake__> ah
[08:00] <Snake__> GameOver69: maybe check out superkaramba for lil widget type things?
[08:00] <Snake__> GameOver69: and just customize panels and play with KDE, its quite amazing how nice it can get
[08:00] <Snake__> download iconsets, make color themes, add/remove applets
[08:00] <tijn> just installed a fresh kubuntu and apt has an error with ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp , is this a kown problem?
[08:01] <GameOver69> what about the water ripple affect
[08:01] <GameOver69> i saw somethin like that?
[08:01] <Snake__> Whatcha mean?
[08:01] <GameOver69> i dunno somethin i remember seein in a screenshot
[08:02] <Snake__> was it a wallpaper or what?
[08:02] <GameOver69> no
[08:02] <GameOver69> an effect
[08:02] <stupendo44> GameOver69: http://www.kde-look.org is a decent place to find themes and stuff
[08:02] <Red_Herring> can anyone here do anything about the lack of a decent theme for kde?
[08:02] <Snake__> wtf is an effect..
[08:02] <Snake__> Red_Herring: sure! make your own
[08:02] <Red_Herring> kubuntu's default theme lacks invidiualitly
[08:03] <Red_Herring> and i cant make a theme
[08:03] <Snake__> Why not?
[08:03] <Red_Herring> because i lack talent
[08:03] <stupendo44> "lacks individuality"?
[08:03] <Snake__> stupendo44: looks like everybody elses
[08:03] <Red_Herring> ever seen the default kde look for ANY distro?
[08:03] <Snake__> Ill agree with that, Kubuntu is offly default
[08:03] <stupendo44> and that's bad?
[08:04] <Red_Herring> it looks EXACTLY like any other
[08:04] <Red_Herring> well
[08:04] <Red_Herring> ubuntu made a new theme for gnome
[08:04] <Red_Herring> it kicks ass
[08:04] <Red_Herring> why cant its brother do the same
[08:04] <Snake__> EW GOD NO IT DOESNT
[08:04] <Snake__> That Brown fugly crap
[08:04] <Red_Herring> really?
[08:04] <Snake__> ew
[08:04] <Red_Herring> it sure beats the old one
[08:04] <Snake__> Brown is the worst color ever
[08:04] <Snake__> EVER
[08:04] <Red_Herring> well
[08:05] <Red_Herring> i dont think its the greatest
[08:05] <Snake__> lol
[08:05] <Red_Herring> but it sure beats anythign else GNOME has
[08:05] <Snake__> and Dapper flight 5 is pretty bad too....the orange
[08:05] <Snake__> wtf
[08:05] <Snake__> why oragne
[08:05] <Red_Herring> why cant Kubuntu make a really good KDE theme
[08:05] <Red_Herring> ?
[08:05] <Snake__> Red_Herring: Because we lack talent
[08:05] <Red_Herring> i mean, at least include KXDocker by default
[08:05] <noteventime_away> !touchpad
[08:05] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime_away
[08:05] <Red_Herring> !kxdocker
[08:05] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:05] <Red_Herring> !docekr
[08:05] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:05] <Red_Herring> !docker
[08:05] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:05] <noteventime_away> !synaptic
[08:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:05] <Snake__> Stop fishing
[08:06] <Red_Herring> i am a herring :-P
[08:06] <noteventime_away> :'-( My touch pad is sloooow and i can't get it to go any faster
[08:06] <Red_Herring> noteventime_away: are you using daper?
[08:06] <Red_Herring> *dapper?
[08:06] <noteventime_away> yees
[08:06] <Red_Herring> same here
[08:06] <noteventime_away> :P
[08:06] <Red_Herring> i just use keycombos
[08:06] <Snake__> noteventime_away: have you looked aound kcontrol?
[08:06] <noteventime_away> yes
[08:06] <Red_Herring> alt-tab, katapult
[08:07] <Snake__> hmm
[08:07] <Red_Herring> Snake__: its a known bug
[08:07] <Snake__> AH
[08:07] <noteventime_away> Red_Herring: I already use them
[08:07] <Snake__> ah*
[08:07] <noteventime_away> Maybe i should test another driver?
[08:07] <Red_Herring> noteventime_away: its dapper, so just wait
[08:07] <Red_Herring> they are working on a fix
[08:08] <Snake__> Hmmm so even on the mouse settings under Pointer Acceleration doesnt work??
[08:08] <noteventime_away> Snake__: Nope
[08:08] <Snake__> Damn
[08:08] <Red_Herring>  heh
[08:08] <Red_Herring> just change the colors around in gnome from orange to blue
[08:08] <Red_Herring> and it looks great
[08:09] <Snake__> agreed
[08:09] <Snake__> Hey guys, wanna help me spam this company?
[08:10] <Snake__> https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx?pr=1&CMP=BAL-toms&creative=wanted200K
[08:10] <Snake__> if we all do DDoS on em, we might stop em :)
[08:10] <Red_Herring> what?!?!??!
[08:10] <Red_Herring> arg
[08:11] <Red_Herring> MUST... KILL... THAT... SITE!
[08:11] <Snake__> Red_Herring: if the world was open source, we wouldn't have that problem
[08:11] <Red_Herring> so just ping the hell out of them?
[08:11] <Red_Herring> Snake__: if only if only...
[08:11] <Red_Herring> man i love how OSS works
[08:11] <_david> hey, I'm making a presentation about free software, I'm wondering on what ways you can make money with it, I got support contracts, do you know other ways of making money?
[08:11] <noteventime_away> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77099.html <- maybe this
[08:13] <_david> the cooperation behing kubuntu does also try to make money, do they only do it with support contracts?
[08:13] <Red_Herring> did you know firefox is making millons?
[08:13] <Snake__> _david: I think cedega charges a month subscription for its services
[08:13] <_david> Snake__: ok, but that's no free software is it?
[08:13] <Snake__> _david: What do you mean by support contracts?
[08:14] <Snake__> _david: Its open source I believe
[08:14] <_david> Snake__: that a consumer pays for support
[08:14] <eltower> Kubuntu affiliates and the such I presume
[08:14] <eltower> exactly, paid software support
[08:14] <Snake__> _david: Kubuntu has no payable support that im aware of....do they??
[08:14] <Snake__> lol
[08:14] <ziza> i think they will
[08:14] <Snake__> I think they will too
[08:14] <Snake__> but I dont think they do atm
[08:14] <_david> I don't know if they already have it, but it is the goal of Mark Shuttleword to get it atleast
[08:14] <ziza> for their server version perhaps
[08:15] <noteventime> Yay, it worked!!!!
[08:15] <Snake__> _david: You could mention that suse makes money by selling its OS with priority codecs built in
[08:15] <Snake__> :)
[08:15] <_david> hehe, ok
[08:15] <Red_Herring> i dont like suse
[08:15] <Red_Herring> VIVA UBUNTU!
[08:15] <eltower> :)
[08:15] <Snake__> Suse is second best to (k)ubuntu
[08:15] <noteventime> Red_Herring: Try the liink i sent
[08:15] <_david> and of course Richard Stallman selling _tapes_ with emacs on it ;)
[08:16] <scotty_b> can anyone help me out? I'm trying to use Kubuntu Live CD, and I got it burned as an ISO on a disk. And when I reboot, all it does is come up with a black screen that says something like "ISOLinux Distro. Copyright Peter someone"
[08:16] <noteventime> Altough i might need some tweaking its a loy better
[08:16] <scotty_b> with a little blinking underscore thing under it
[08:16] <eltower> where on earth did you get the ISO from?
[08:16] <scotty_b> not sure...my friend gave me the link
[08:16] <scotty_b> I just downloaded it
[08:16] <eltower> from where I mean
[08:16] <eltower> just curious
[08:17] <Red_Herring> noteventime: i copied and pasted my old Xorg.conf from my 5.10 to 6.04, and it didnt work
[08:17] <eltower> Because that shouldn't happen
[08:17] <Snake__> brb all, gotta go troubleshoot a windows rig
[08:17] <scotty_b> I honestly can't remember where it came from...my friend gave me the link to the download in an IRC channel
[08:17] <Red_Herring> so hypothetically that howto shouldnt work
[08:17] <scotty_b> hang on
[08:17] <noteventime> Red_Herring: Just take a look at the link, it works
[08:17] <scotty_b> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/kubuntu-5.10-kde351+koffice-i386-1.iso
[08:17] <scotty_b> that link
[08:17] <Red_Herring> scotty_b: get the OFFICIAL iso
[08:17] <Red_Herring> ok
[08:18] <scotty_b> ok...where can I find that?
[08:18] <eltower> ditto
[08:18] <eltower> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:19] <eltower> Kubuntu seriously needs Shipit
[08:19] <scotty_b> alright, thanks guys
[08:19] <Red_Herring> eltower: its gonna be included in dapper
[08:19] <scorn> hi
[08:19] <scorn> just a question
[08:20] <eltower> Red_Herring: I haven't taken a real look at Kubuntu since 5.04, how much is Dapper going to be any better?
[08:20] <Red_Herring> eltower: its tough to say
[08:20] <scorn> I have problem running kftgrabber
[08:20] <tijn> kftgrabber?
[08:20] <tijn> whats that?
[08:20] <scorn> kftpgrabber
[08:20] <Red_Herring> i can safely say that ubuntu has finally matured to be a pro OS worthy of competeing with OSX and windows, when dapper comes out
[08:20] <Red_Herring> but kubuntu is a step behind
[08:20] <eltower> I hope so
[08:21] <tijn> kftp aha
[08:21] <tijn> fpt client
[08:21] <eltower> I never took GNOME too warmly I suppose
[08:21] <scorn> kftpgrabber: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1: undefined symbol: avahi_client_new
[08:21] <Red_Herring> eltower: neither have i
[08:21] <scorn> any idea ?
[08:21] <Snake__> Red_Herring: why is kubuntu behind
[08:21] <eltower> KDE reminds me a lot of OSX Aqua
[08:21] <scotty_b> thanks for your help, Red_herring and eltower  ....
[08:21] <Red_Herring> but the new gnome theme they have rocks!
[08:21] <eltower> no problem scotty
[08:21] <Red_Herring> Snake__: well... i am just watching the development of dapper
[08:22] <scotty_b> now I got another 6 hour download ahead of me  :P
[08:22] <Red_Herring> i have both ubuntu and kubuntu
[08:22] <skypa> Linus says...
[08:22] <skypa> :p
[08:22] <Snake__> Red_Herring: as am I...
[08:22] <Snake__> So whys kubuntu behind
[08:22] <Red_Herring> Snake__: it just seems like kubutu still needs to work on usabilty a bit more
[08:22] <Red_Herring> whereas ubuntu has mastered it
[08:22] <Snake__> Red_Herring: What do you mean, go into detail
[08:22] <Red_Herring> and has moved on
[08:22] <Red_Herring> to themes, details, etc
[08:23] <Red_Herring> i just think ubuntu and gnome have just matured to the point where its almost perfect
[08:23] <eltower> My tow cents: I had a tremendous headache installing a USB ADSL modem on Kubuntu
[08:23] <Red_Herring> and kde could be better
[08:23] <eltower> to the point of driving me back to dual boot with Windoze
[08:23] <Snake__> Red_Herring: wait till KDE 4, see if its still like that.
[08:23] <Red_Herring> but kubutnu has to pull their act togtether
[08:23] <Red_Herring> Snake__: i am!
[08:23] <Red_Herring> :-P
[08:23] <Red_Herring> kde 4 is gonna be a winblows killer!
[08:24] <eltower> 3.4 is already quite sleek :)
[08:24] <Snake__> 3.5 is better that 3.4
[08:24] <Snake__> by far
[08:24] <eltower> heh, I wouldn't know :(
[08:24] <ziza> eltower: which applications force you to boot Windows?
[08:24] <eltower> ziza: just installing the USB ADSL drivers, but I'm using an iBook a lot now
[08:25] <scorn> any idea for this error ???
[08:25] <ziza> i see
[08:25] <scorn> symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1: undefined symbol: avahi_client_new
[08:25] <scorn> please
[08:25] <tijn> damn, cant type that much anymore
[08:25] <tijn> my keyboard buffer is full :)
[08:25] <eltower> iBook without Linux unfortunately, I don't have that much disk space to spare
[08:26] <Red_Herring> is kde4 gonna incorperate OpenGL?
[08:26] <Red_Herring> a-la Xgl?
[08:26] <Snake__> I would hope...
[08:26] <eltower> Bye people :)
[08:26] <Snake__> Theres gonna be a lot of great stuff coming from the new xorg
[08:26] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:26] <Red_Herring> modulated and all
[08:27] <Red_Herring> im very excited about the future of linux
[08:27] <Red_Herring> its either gonna be this year or the next
[08:27] <marseillai> Red_Herring: kde 4 also integrate wgl in plasma!
[08:27] <Red_Herring> when it finally becomes a mature OS
[08:27] <marseillai> and mac osx widgets too
[08:27] <Red_Herring> marseillai: w00t!!!
[08:27] <Red_Herring> marseillai: osx widgets?!?!?!?
[08:27] <Red_Herring> that kicks ass!
[08:27] <Snake__> Yes
[08:27] <marseillai> yes
[08:27] <Snake__> I like my SK tho
[08:28] <Snake__> :)
[08:28] <marseillai> Red_Herring: but in final release may be kde4 will use Xegl and not xgl!
[08:28] <Snake__> xegl?
[08:28] <Red_Herring> well
[08:28] <Red_Herring> im not fond of a whole new X11
[08:29] <Snake__> OMG XEGL HAS DRM
[08:29] <Red_Herring> i really would like OpenGL integrated into X11, w/o a whole new Xserver
[08:29] <Snake__> DRM - Direct Rendering Manager
[08:29] <Snake__> Hehe
[08:29] <Snake__> :)
[08:29] <Red_Herring> Snake__: what?
[08:29] <Red_Herring> oh
[08:29] <marseillai> Snake__: sorry i'm french and it would be too hard for my to explain te diffrence between xgl and xegl in english
[08:29] <Red_Herring> dude, you scared me there for a second
[08:29] <Snake__> Ah okay marseillai
[08:29] <Snake__> LOL Red_Herring
[08:29] <Red_Herring> ok
[08:29] <Red_Herring> marseillai: is xegl part of X11 or a whole new Xserver?
[08:30] <Snake__> !lart Red_Herring
[08:30] <marseillai> Snake__: i try : xgl is an addon to xorg! xegl is a complte rewrite xserver based on xorg and using openGL
[08:30] <Snake__> Ohh okay
[08:30] <Red_Herring> oh
[08:30] <Red_Herring> wait, isnt it the other way around?
[08:31] <marseillai> but xegl is not for tomorrow ... there is a lot of work
[08:34] <Snake__> Man I was just thinking..
[08:34] <Snake__> the devs at xorg are crazy
[08:35] <marseillai> why ?
[08:35] <Red_Herring> indeed
[08:35] <Snake__> Think about how much work as gone into that program
[08:35] <Red_Herring> and they skimped out on composite
[08:35] <marseillai> this time is not lost
[08:35] <Snake__> I mean xorg covers so much...it just amazes me
[08:36] <Red_Herring> yeah...
[08:36] <Snake__> I wanna see the source, but im afraid I would need to get some new underwear
[08:36] <DeBert> yeah, but i'm wondering why even 2D-graphics feels slower than under windows
[08:36] <Red_Herring> lack of good drivers
[08:37] <Snake__> Red_Herring: you still pingin that website?
[08:37] <DeBert> anybody know a good VOIP replacement for skype that supports SIP?
[08:37] <Red_Herring> Snake__: yup :-P
[08:37] <Snake__> lol
[08:38] <Red_Herring> those bastards deserve it
[08:38] <Snake__> agreed
[08:39] <Red_Herring> hrm, anyone bother to write a bash script for that?
[08:40] <Snake__> For what?
[08:40] <Red_Herring> multiple pings
[08:40] <Red_Herring> like 100 threads of pings
[08:40] <Snake__> You realize that would kill your net more than theirs right?
[08:40] <Red_Herring> i dont care
[08:40] <Red_Herring> if everyone destroyed their own to take down theirs
[08:41] <Snake__> lol
[08:41] <Red_Herring> the would would be a better place!
[08:41] <Snake__> Red_Herring: its not hard to stop a ping attack
[08:41] <Rayman> btw. One can't unlock X screens in kubuntu dapper. It doesn't accept any password.
[08:41] <Red_Herring> well w/e
[08:41] <Rayman> known issue?
[08:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Rayman: I've noticed that  - Tried my password and root password, and they didn't work
[08:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> I ended up restarting my X server. ;)
[08:42] <deemo> can anyone help me with my network cards? they were working perfectly yesterday but today ifconfig returns nothing and eth1 is disabled and wont get reenabled
[08:42] <Rayman> CheeseBurgerMan: Same here. :f
[08:42] <Red_Herring> uhh, sudo ifconfig eth1 up?
[08:42] <Rayman> sudo ifdown ifup
[08:43] <deemo> it returned an error in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[08:43] <deemo> the line says iface eth0 inet
[08:43] <Snake__> WOooooooooooooooooooo
[08:44] <Snake__> and it looks great
[08:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[08:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> congrats :P
[08:44] <Red_Herring> use it wisely Snake__
[08:44] <Snake__> Hehe
[08:44] <Red_Herring> dont spend it all in one place
[08:45] <Snake__> Man I love this movie
[08:45] <Snake__> Saw 2 ;)
[08:45] <Red_Herring> heh
[08:45] <Red_Herring> you know what was a good movie?
[08:45] <Red_Herring> crash
[08:45] <Snake__> My sister broke my DVD :(
[08:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> :(
[08:45] <Snake__> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :)
[08:46] <Red_Herring> anyone else here believe kubuntu should come with a WORKING and USEABLE KXDocker on the desktop by default?
[08:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> Red_Herring: KXDocker not work for you either, eh?
[08:47] <Red_Herring> CheeseBurgerMan: it works fine, just not that good
[08:47] <Red_Herring> the new kxdocker 1.0 is totally 1337
[08:47] <Snake__> wow thats a bit hypocritical
[08:47] <Red_Herring> but the old one has NO good things in it by default
[08:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> I can't put it anywhere but the bottom
[08:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> I want it at the top
[08:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[08:47] <Red_Herring> CheeseBurgerMan: i just put everything else by the top
[08:48] <Red_Herring> but dont ya think it would be a GREAT thing to have by default?
[08:48] <Red_Herring> a nice dock with Konqueror, Kopete, Konversation, K***********
[08:48] <Red_Herring> all working, and ready to go
[08:48] <Red_Herring> right as you log in
[08:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Red_Herring: I COULD, but I don't want everything else at the top
[08:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> So KXDocker is dead. :)
[08:49] <Red_Herring> CheeseBurgerMan: if it was by default, im sure they would fix that
[08:49] <Red_Herring> and by default it would be on the top
[08:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yup
[08:51] <Rayman> CheeseBurgerMan: should we report it or are we too lazy?
[08:52] <TeRaHuRtZ> Is the Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M still supported for 3d with the new ati drivers?
[08:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Should report it...
[08:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> but.... ;)
[08:56] <our_didi> hi all - i'm using breezy - i would like to try amarok 1.4, that is going to be shipped with dapper and is known to be "non-compatible" (sorry i'm talking lame)  with breezy. i'm interested in this feature: "Support for plain VFAT devices in the Media Device browser".
[08:56] <our_didi> 1) any tips? 2) may i quite-safely upgrade my whole system to dapper right now? 3) is it possibile to install amarok 1.4 and new libraries it needs side-by-side with my amarok 1.3.x ?
[08:56] <Snake__> our_didi: im running 1.4 and the VFAT is not working to well
[08:56] <Snake__> our_didi: No you cant run it side by side
[08:57] <Snake__> our_didi: In my expirence with VFAT it was crashing a lot
[08:57] <our_didi> uhm .. these seem to be good point not to upgrade
[08:57] <our_didi> not for now, at least.
[08:57] <our_didi> i guess it will work in a couple of months, is this reasonable?
[08:57] <Snake__> our_didi: Just wait till april 20th :)
[08:58] <our_didi> april 20th includes the 6-weeks delay i read about today in slashdot.org news ?
[08:58] <Snake__> 6 week delay??
[08:58] <our_didi> i may be wrong
[08:59] <Snake__> our_didi: where did you see that? Do link me
[08:59] <our_didi> have a look to /.
[08:59] <our_didi> oh wait
[08:59] <our_didi> "Mark Shuttleworth Proposes Delaying next Ubuntu"
[08:59] <our_didi> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-March/000734.html
[08:59] <Red_Herring> its a proposal
[08:59] <our_didi> yeah it is Red_Herring , sorry
[09:00] <Snake__> Oh no
[09:00] <our_didi> just a proposal.
[09:00] <Red_Herring> anyone wanna kill the windows fanboy DonCasper?
[09:00] <Red_Herring> god i wanna kill that kid
[09:00] <our_didi> yeah please Red_Herring
[09:00] <Red_Herring> he just restarted, but in a few minutes hes coming back online
[09:00] <our_didi> oh no i misunderstood you sorry
[09:00] <scorchsaber> Hey, where are the kubuntu repositories, if I may ask? I forgot. I'm using Ubuntu, and want to add them, since I reinstalled ubuntu
[09:01] <Red_Herring> our_didi: they wanna make gnome all polished and clean before they release it as dapper final
[09:01] <our_didi> that seems to be reasonable
[09:01] <Snake__> scorchsaber: the kubuntu and ubuntu repos are the same
[09:01] <Red_Herring> scorchsaber: with breezy? its in by default
[09:01] <Red_Herring> our_didi: but we wanna keep up our rep of being on time
[09:01] <scorchsaber> erm...It isn't....
[09:01] <our_didi> i come from debian, so delays and delays and delays are not a surprise to me :D
[09:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[09:02] <Red_Herring> well w/ ubuntu its very regularly scheduled
[09:02] <our_didi> yeah
[09:02] <Red_Herring> or with windows :-P
[09:02] <Snake__> scorchsaber: erm....it is. Ubuntu has the exact same repos as kubuntu
[09:02] <Snake__> !sources
[09:02] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:02] <scorchsaber> well, it can't, seeing as last time I had to add them, and this time I still do, seeing as I'm missing all the dependencies for KDE
[09:03] <scorchsaber> thank you
[09:03] <_niels> Is there QT4.1 packages for Ubuntu?
[09:03] <Snake__> _niels: how new is qt4.1
[09:03] <Red_Herring> can all of you just ping DonCasper?
[09:03] <Red_Herring> hes a windows lover
[09:03] <scorchsaber> I like windows. Sue me
[09:03] <_niels> Snake__: a couple of months I think.
[09:04] <Red_Herring> scorchsaber: we are both in the computer club at my school, and he wont stop talking about windows
[09:04] <Red_Herring> KILL HIM!
[09:04] <Snake__> _niels: if it was released before october, then it probly was, if not, check the repos
[09:04] <tijn> BURN THE WITCH!
[09:04] <tijn> ;)
[09:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Red_Herring: Windows Windows Windows Windows Windows Windows :P
[09:04] <_niels> Snake__: How would I find out... there is nothing in adept... (universe, multiverse)
[09:04] <Snake__> Ugh windows isnt that bad guys
[09:04] <tijn> no
[09:04] <Snake__> _niels: hang on
[09:04] <tijn> its hell
[09:05] <Snake__> Same could be said about linux
[09:05] <Snake__> They are all hell in their own right
[09:05] <our_didi> ok thank you all.
[09:05] <our_didi> byebye
[09:05] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership (chown -R myuser. direcotryname) as root...why?
[09:05] <scorchsaber> Windows has Visual Studio
[09:06] <heinkel_111> i get a lot of "operation not permitted"
[09:06] <Snake__> !qt
[09:06] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[09:06] <Snake__> _niels: I think it only has QT3
[09:07] <Snake__> AH HA
[09:07] <_niels> Snake__: It has QT4.0, but not QT4.1 as far as I can see. Well, I'll just compile it myself. thanks.
[09:07] <Snake__> _niels: there is libqt4, but not 4.1
[09:07] <Snake__> Yea
[09:07] <Snake__> :-/
[09:07] <_niels> Snake__: Just coming from Gentoo... they have stuff the day it's released... :-(
[09:08] <Snake__> _niels: Yea and a good bit of broken systems :)
[09:09] <tijn> look, we have Gentoo users to test new packages, when a package contains a security bug, it only affects gentoo ppl, when its good, Kubuntu gets it ;)
[09:09] <Snake__> _niels: Anything that makes the kubuntu repos is true and tried for 6 months to show  100% stability
[09:09] <DeBert> Does anybody know of a good VOIP-client for KDE that's not skype?
[09:09] <Snake__> No, sorry DeBert
[09:09] <_niels> Snake__: Ok
[09:10] <tijn> kphone
[09:10] <Red_Herring> skype2?
[09:10] <_niels> Snake__: Is there unstable repos?
[09:10] <tijn> DeBert: kphone
[09:10] <_niels> Snake__: Multiverse?
[09:10] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership (chown -R myuser. directoryname) as root...why?
[09:10] <Snake__> _niels: Hmmmmm good question.. I dont think so, but ill check
[09:10] <DeBert> ok, i'll check it out
[09:10] <DeBert> thx
[09:10] <tijn> np
[09:10] <Snake__> _niels: You can alway try to pull off of dapper repos if you want
[09:10] <tijn> just apt-cache search voip ......
[09:10] <luisito> can I convert windows cursors to X11 cursors?
[09:11] <_niels> Snake__: Is there a webbased package overview?
[09:11] <Snake__> _niels: yes hold on
[09:11] <_niels> Snake__: Just so I can see what's in dapper?
[09:11] <Snake__> Yep
[09:11] <Snake__> _niels: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:11] <_niels> Snake__: Ahh... sweet. thanks.
[09:12] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership on a directory (sudo chown -R myuser. directoryname) as root...why?
[09:12] <_niels> Snake__: Do you know if dapper is ready for normal desktop usage?
[09:12] <Red_Herring> yes
[09:12] <Red_Herring> it really is
[09:12] <Red_Herring> i havent noticed a single bug yet
[09:13] <Snake__> _niels: In some aspects, most people say yes, but some get really really mad
[09:13] <Snake__> it wouldn't work on my system :(
[09:13] <Snake__> Xorg kept screwin up the res, even after I configed it several times
[09:13] <deemo> can anyone help me fix my network interface? every time i try to enable it in the KDE control center it just disables it again. When i do sudo ifdown ifup it says: "too few parameters for iface line" and references a line that says "iface eth0 inet". whats wrong?
[09:13] <_niels> Ok, I think I will try dapper...
[09:13] <Snake__> deemo: you have to tell it what you want to ifup/down
[09:14] <Snake__> deemo: sudo ifup eth0 for example
[09:14] <DeBert> what's in /etc/network/interfaces deemo?
[09:14] <scorchsaber> how do I get the Kubuntu Repositories for my Ubuntu System?
[09:14] <_niels> By the way, I'm really happy with kubunu, been a Gentoo user for the last two years.
[09:14] <Snake__> scorchsaber: wtf are you looking for. the kubuntu system??
[09:14] <Snake__> scorchsaber: kubuntu-desktop?
[09:14] <deemo> Snake__: it returns the same error no matter the parameters i give it
[09:15] <Snake__> deemo: ah...weird
[09:15] <DeBert> i used gentoo for a while to, but i switched cause Gentoo is for people with to much free time :)
[09:15] <Snake__> not sure :-/
[09:15] <deemo> DeBert: i would pastebin it, but i cant without internet :(
[09:15] <_niels> DeBert: Yep, you are right... or special needs.
[09:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> deemo: you can't get here without internet either... :P
[09:15] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: People can own more than one PC in this world..
[09:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, and people can write things down on paper too.
[09:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[09:16] <deemo> CheeseBurgerMan: im on a different computer, and im lazy :P
[09:16] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: well then let me write down my sources.list and snail mail it to you ok?
[09:16] <Snake__> :P
[09:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[09:16] <_niels> DeBert: It's a compromise... with Gentoo, you have total control, and bleeding edge. With Ubuntu you can install a lot faster, and stuff is nicely setup for you.
[09:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> you could write it down, and then type it in here. ;) :P
[09:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> or pastebin it
[09:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> but w/e :D
[09:17] <deemo> Actually i think i got it, i just added static to the line is was complaining about and now it works. :P
[09:17] <_niels> If Dapper has QT4.1 I'm switching right away.. :-)
[09:17] <DeBert> yep, i used slackware for years, then started drifting, and now settled for kubuntu
[09:17] <Snake__> lol
[09:17] <oskari> #ubuntu-fi
[09:17] <Red_Herring> what is faster? kde / qt4.1, or kde w/ qt 3
[09:17] <_niels> Snake__: Sweet...
[09:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Snake__: Mine was Ubuntu, but then I decided I disliked GNOME and went to Kubuntu
[09:18] <Snake__> _niels: yep, been around since 11/24/05!! :P
[09:18] <DeBert> only problem i have with kubuntu is streaming media in my browser, but other than that i love it
[09:18] <_niels> DeBert: hmm... streaming media works fine in konqueror for me...
[09:18] <tarmath> red_herring: kde does not compile with qt4.1
[09:18] <Snake__> hehe
[09:18] <DeBert> cant get it to work, tried mplayer, xine and vlc
[09:19] <Red_Herring> ok, htne qt4
[09:19] <_niels> tarmath: I know... But I assume you can have both QT3 and QT4 on your box...???
[09:19] <Snake__> DeBert: Gotta get the firefox plugins
[09:19] <_niels> I need QT4.1 for another app that I'm developing...
[09:19] <scorchsaber> before I reinstalled ubuntu I had the Kubuntu repositories so that I could install KDE and other stuff
[09:19] <Snake__> !restricted
[09:19] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:19] <DeBert> which ones?
[09:19] <tarmath> _niels: yes that is now a problem, I got a few of them on by box right now
[09:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've got firefox with java, and then I've got Opera with flash. :P
[09:19] <slow-motion> re
[09:19] <tarmath> _niels: now = not
[09:19] <Snake__> DeBert: I think it tells you there
[09:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've not yet bothered to try getting them both working in one browser.
[09:20] <_niels> tarmath: Sweet.
[09:20] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership (chown -R myuser. directoryname) as root...why?
[09:20] <DeBert> yeah, i know that guide, but still some wont load, like stuff on uitzendinggemist
[09:20] <Snake__> DeBert: indeed it does
[09:20] <tarmath> _niels: are you using new features from qt4.1 ?
[09:20] <Snake__> o
[09:20] <Snake__> heinkel_111: are you using sudo?
[09:20] <_niels> tarmath: Yep, I'm developing an opensource app (www.kommute.net), and it only compiles with QT4.1.
[09:20] <heinkel_111> opps yes i am
[09:21] <heinkel_111> guys...if I cannot do change ownership (sudo chown -R myuser. directoryname) as root...why?
[09:21] <Snake__> lol
[09:21] <heinkel_111> ;)
[09:21] <Snake__> Hmm
[09:21] <DeBert> btw, how do you guys do that, send messages directly to me, so that konversation in taskbar starts flashing?
[09:21] <Snake__> DeBert: say your name :)
[09:21] <DeBert> LOL, that's it?
[09:21] <Snake__> Yep
[09:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Simple, eh?
[09:21] <tijn> heh
[09:22] <heinkel_111> anyway if that is not permitted....is there a special protection attribute i will need to change?
[09:22] <tijn> anyone knows about autorejoin on kick?
[09:22] <tarmath> _niels: the app looks clean, Ive never heard of MUTE though
[09:22] <Red_Herring> DeBert: say your name
[09:22] <_niels> DeBert: just type the beginning of the name... and then tab...
[09:22] <DeBert> _niels: like this?
[09:22] <tijn> .me gets kickes alot :/
[09:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol :P
[09:22] <tijn> i mean :D
[09:22] <_niels> tarmath: Thanks. Well, MUTE is a anonymous p2p library.
[09:23] <_niels> DeBert: :-)
[09:23] <Snake__> _niels: C++?
[09:23] <_niels> Snake__: Yep
[09:23] <Snake__> :)
[09:23] <Snake__> Python for life
[09:23] <tarmath> python IS cool
[09:23] <tarmath> but c++ too hehe
[09:23] <Red_Herring> c++ kicks java's sorry ass!
[09:24] <Snake__> No crap
[09:24] <tarmath> talking about java, I cant get to install azureus, Ive added all the crazy repositories out there in every faq but its still now showing on the apps list...
[09:25] <Xybernaut> hi
[09:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> hi
[09:25] <Red_Herring> tarmath: in terminal type "azureus"
[09:25] <Xybernaut> how i'm install kubuntu live cd from system ?
[09:25] <DeBert> lo
[09:25] <Red_Herring> that will do it
[09:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> Um, download the install CD, burn it, and install it.
[09:25] <Snake__> Xybernaut: You have to get the install CD
[09:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> See? Like I said. :P
[09:26] <tarmath> red_herring: that would require it to be installed first lad...
[09:26] <Snake__> :)
[09:26] <_niels> That is just so sweet... Dapper: libqt4-core (4.1.0-3ubuntu3) [universe] 
[09:26] <Snake__> tarmath: Its a script I think
[09:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> tarmath: It doesn't need to be installed
[09:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> exactly
[09:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[09:26] <Snake__> tarmath: look around your azurus dir for a script called "azureus" and try runnign that
[09:26] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: how long you been on linux?
[09:26] <DeBert> btw, i thought that karamba would be integrated in dapper?
[09:27] <tarmath> theres no such thing
[09:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Snake__: Since late January
[09:27] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: nice
[09:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[09:27] <Red_Herring> heh
[09:27] <Snake__> tarmath: cd into you azureus dir and pastebin the results of a "ls"
[09:27] <Red_Herring> can we have a meeting on what we want kubuntu to have by defalt and integrated?
[09:27] <Red_Herring> i mean, i got some ideas
[09:28] <Red_Herring> its clear others got some great ones too
[09:28] <Snake__> Red_Herring: They already had that
[09:28] <Red_Herring> damn
[09:28] <Red_Herring> did i miss it?
[09:28] <Snake__> Yulp
[09:28] <swedish> how do i install new programs?
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Apaprently
[09:28] <_niels> Where can I download the latest dapper iso?
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> swedish: sudo apt-get install <package>
[09:28] <Snake__> swedish: open up adept, pick a program, click install
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> oh yeah
[09:28] <swedish> i did that
[09:28] <swedish> snake
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> THen press "Commit Changes"
[09:28] <swedish> did that too
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Then it's installed...
[09:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> :)
[09:28] <Snake__> okay..so whats the prob?
[09:28] <Snake__> lol
[09:28] <Snake__> ":)
[09:29] <swedish> i type make though, and it doesnt work
[09:29] <swedish> im trying to install make
[09:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> restart Konsole.
[09:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> I assume you installed build-essentials
[09:29] <swedish> uhh
[09:29] <swedish> i dunno
[09:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh.
[09:29] <Snake__> swedish: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[09:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, that.
[09:30] <swedish> can i use adept?
[09:30] <Snake__> swedish: yep
[09:30] <swedish> ok
[09:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Adept is just a GUI for apt.
[09:30] <swedish> got build-essentials
[09:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Good, now try make
[09:30] <swedish> k
[09:31] <Red_Herring> CheeseBurgerMan: is it apt or aptitude?
[09:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, not sure
[09:31] <swedish> it works, but now bison doesnt =0)    (its a compilers project)
[09:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> I call it apt.
[09:31] <Snake__> Red_Herring: those are 2 diffrent programs
[09:31] <swedish> hmmm
[09:31] <swedish> wait
[09:32] <swedish> i tried selecting a bunch of programs
[09:32] <swedish> then hitting commit
[09:32] <swedish> do i have to do one at a time?
[09:32] <Snake__> No
[09:32] <Snake__> They should have all installed
[09:32] <swedish> well they didnt hehe
[09:32] <Snake__> (and removed if you picked anything to take out)
[09:32] <Snake__> CheeseBurgerMan: handle em lol, I g2g
[09:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, I'll try
[09:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> later
[09:33] <Snake__> cya
[09:33] <swedish> ill just do one at a time
[09:33] <swedish> it seems to work that way
[09:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> It installs more than one program at the same time
[09:41] <swedish> does anyone know anything about compilers?
[09:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> Only that it very rarely works. :P
[09:42] <swedish> hehe
[09:44] <MikeStyleNet> hi guys, how would i configure the applications menu in flux/open/black box ?
[09:44] <heinkel_111> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4010.0 <---- HELP!
[09:49] <fromeroc> I have installed kubuntu on ubuntu and I want to remove" how can I do that?
[09:50] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[09:51] <KaoticEvil> anyone familiar with wine?
[09:52] <leafw> red wine from Spanish Rioja's vineyards? Yeah.
[09:52] <leafw> jk
[09:54] <brett> hey
[09:55] <brett> i was wondering if there was a way to take programs from one linux distro and use it onubuntu
[09:55] <apardo> HI everyone!
[09:55] <apardo> My name is ALexis
[09:56] <frank23> brett: it might be possible... what program from what distro?
[09:56] <netsurf3> i am getting an insaine number of drops from internet and crashes of hotplug it seems as i have a usb key which crashes on insert of the machine anyone able to shed some ideas WTF is going on i am using the RT2570 drivers
[09:57] <leafw> I can play mp3 with xmms and with audacity
[09:57] <leafw> what's the trick to make amarok play anything
[09:57] <leafw> n osound
[09:57] <DeBert> no mp3, or no sound at all?
[09:57] <Rayman> I wonder when they invent a package system with patch ability.
[09:58] <leafw> amarok plays nothing
[09:58] <fromeroc> I have installed kubuntu on ubuntu and I want to remove" how can I do that?
[09:58] <fromeroc> I have installed kubuntu on ubuntu and I want to remove" how can I do that?
[09:58] <Rayman> leafw: dapper?
[09:58] <leafw> breezy
[09:58] <frank23> leafw: I use amarok-xine instead of amarok-gstreamer
[09:58] <DeBert> leafw: did u install gstreamer-mad?
[09:58] <leafw> frank23: where, is that a settings option?
[09:59] <frank23> leafw: you have to download the amarok-xine package and change the engine in the amarok configuration
[10:00] <DeBert> frank23: installing gstreamer-mad is easier ;)
[10:00] <leafw> I think I have the mad
[10:00] <leafw> let me check
[10:00] <netsurf3> any ideas on my crashing problem?
[10:00] <netsurf3> i am that fed up i think i will use suse
[10:01] <frank23> DeBert: it never worked for me though. I don't know why. I just gave up on gstreamer :(
[10:02] <leafw> I'm on ppc
[10:02] <leafw> I have gstreamer0.8-mad installed
[10:02] <leafw> xmms is fine, and amarok is not
[10:02] <DeBert> hmmm, than listen to frank23, and switch to xine engine :)
[10:02] <leafw> I am doing that
[10:03] <leafw> can't find the option to change though in amarol
[10:04] <leafw> *amarok
[10:04] <leafw> it only lists the arts engine
[10:05] <DeBert> weird
[10:06] <frank23> leafw: you installed amarok-xine?
[10:06] <leafw> yes
[10:06] <frank23> leafw: restart amarok?
[10:06] <leafw> I did
[10:06] <leafw> xD
[10:07] <frank23> leafw: strange. my engine options are gstreamer and xine
[10:08] <leafw> I restarted again, now it lists the -xine package. But amarok froze.
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> wow
[10:15] <netsurf3> how can i disable blue tooth modules from being loaded?
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> i cant believe i just got diablo to install :O
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> wine rocks! :D
[10:21] <anubis> KDE in 64bit Ubuntu
[10:21] <anubis> why can't I change Kweather to F instead of C?
[10:26] <heinkel_111> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4010.0 <---- need help!
[10:28] <Snake__> Is there a way to remove all the files with the word "hack" in a dir?
[10:33] <sirblue> anubis: cause it sucks, better get some superkarambathing for weatherreports
[10:34] <ziza> Snaje_: i'm sure there is, i'm thinking hard about a solution :)
[10:34] <Snake__> ziza: lol im tryin to
[10:34] <ziza> do you mean "hack" anywhere in the file name, recursive too?
[10:35] <Snake__> ziza: it has to be anywhere in the file name, and doesnt need to be recurisive
[10:35] <ziza> does *hack* not work?
[10:35] <Snake__> ziza: something to the extent of what "rm *hack*.*" would do :)
[10:35] <Snake__> Naw
[10:37] <ziza> ls *shared* seems to work in one of my directories
[10:38] <Snake__> ziza: snake@Laptop:~/Downloads/ROMS/Super Mario Bros.$ ls *hack*
[10:38] <Snake__> ls: *hack*: No such file or directory
[10:39] <ziza> weird
[10:40] <ziza> even ls *6* works here..
[10:40] <Snake__> Hmm
[10:41] <ziza> you got a virus!
[10:41] <Snake__> ziza: would it be that its actually (hack) do anything??
[10:41] <ziza> j/k :D
[10:41] <g-e-n-t-o-o> Pleas help, what for package i need to play wmv?
[10:41] <ziza> impossible, anything after ls are just parameters
[10:43] <Snake__> AH HA
[10:43] <Snake__> GOT IT
[10:43] <Snake__> ziza: rm -rf * Hack\)*
[10:43] <ziza> hmmmm :)
[10:44] <ziza> needed to escape the parantheses?
[10:44] <ziza> since when is that necessary?
[10:44] <Snake__> Apparently it is
[10:44] <Snake__> lol
[10:45] <ziza> yea, seems so
[10:45] <ziza> but why do you need to include it? :)
[10:48] <Snake__> Dunno
[10:58] <sorush20> guys I keep getting the message that I can't save to my folders.. I get the message when I try to do this with ksnapshot
[11:00] <bipolar> are we going to get a Flight 5 Kubuntu CD soon?
[11:02] <ixiion> hello i have a little problem Gwenview don like to open jpg files with the extension jpg oder jpeg only when i remove the extension it works what is this ?
[11:05] <ixiion> no idea ?
[11:06] <mzelem> Every time I try to use "perl -MCPAN -e 'install Some::PERL::Module'" it will never successfully make, anyone know why?
[11:08] <bipolar> ixiion: does Gwenview try to open the file?
[11:09] <ixiion> when i click the file Gwenview starts
[11:09] <ixiion> btw. the file is not broken
[11:09] <ixiion> when i remove the extensioon .jpg ist opens fine
[11:09] <bipolar> does it open other files w/ the extention, just not that one?
[11:10] <ixiion> all files with the extension .jpg cant be open
[11:11] <bipolar> does it give you an error?
[11:11] <ixiion> no
[11:11] <AnObfuscator>  I can't get Kaffeine to play DVDs... I tried the instructions in the "Restricted Formats" Wiki, and i got MP3's working, but I can't play regular DVD's...
[11:11] <ixiion> Gwenview only poup with a file opend
[11:11] <ixiion> popup
[11:12] <bipolar> so gwenview opens, but doesn't display a file.... just like if you started gwenview from the menu?
[11:12] <ixiion> yes
[11:12] <AnObfuscator> Kaffeine just says "could not read title information", which I guess means DeCSS is not working
[11:12] <bipolar> strange.....
[11:12] <ixiion> yes :)
[11:12] <bipolar> ixiion: I wonder if it's having trouble reading the file path for some reason....
[11:13] <ixiion> but the file is directly in my home folder
[11:13] <bipolar> ixiion: try running gwenview from the command line, and specifiy the file to open as an option.
[11:13] <bipolar> ixiion: like "gwenview /home/name/file.jpg"
[11:14] <ixiion> dont work
[11:15] <ixiion> ah i see a error
[11:15] <bipolar> ixiion: whats the error?
[11:16] <ixiion> http://paste.debian.net/5158
[11:18] <bipolar> ixiion: none of those are the problem...
[11:18] <ixiion> yeah i saw that the errors come when i already colsed gwenview
[11:19] <ixiion> closed
[11:19] <bipolar> ixiion: try to give it the full path to the file. gwenview /home/ixiion/.kde/share/wallpapers/cooltux.jpg
[11:21] <ixiion> also dont work
[11:21] <ixiion> but i made a mv cooltux.jpg cooltux and oppend it then and this works
[11:21] <eva_> Which repository do I need to get supertux 0.1.3?
[11:22] <bipolar> ixiion: what software versions do you have? ubuntu/kde/gwenview
[11:23] <eva_> How can i find out where to find supertux 0.1.3 for kubuntu=
[11:23] <eva_> ???
[11:23] <ixiion> i installed kubuntu dapper flight 4 and updated to flight 5 i think (it updated 200 packets)
[11:23] <bipolar> eva_: did you try 'apt-get install supertux'?
[11:24] <bipolar> ixiion: I've got an up to date install of dapper as well and do not see this problem on my system :\
[11:24] <ixiion> i installed the system on march 10
[11:25] <eva_> bipolar, Of course, and I got version 0.1.2 which doesn't have the new levels.
[11:25] <ixiion> and didnt changed very much i think esspecialley not something about jpg
[11:25] <bipolar> eva_: then it's not in the repositories yet. you'll have to wait or built it yourself.
[11:25] <durga> how do i minimize evolution to the system tray ?
[11:26] <ixiion> or add multiverse and univere to you sources.list
[11:26] <flixor-> man everybody read already about the secity bug in breezy
[11:27] <Snake__> flixor-: Let me play MS for a moment..
[11:27] <flixor-> yes Snake__
[11:27] <Snake__> "Its not the softwares fault, obviously you installed it wrong, if you system gets hacked thats your fault. You should be paying me $50 a year for our defender software!"
[11:28] <Snake__> Hehe
[11:28] <eva_> bipolar, but isn't there some other unsupported repositories?
[11:28] <ixiion> how do i regularly link a filetype with a preferred programm ?
[11:29] <bipolar> eva_: if there were, it would not have a newer version. repos don't duplicate packages.
[11:29] <eva_> bipolar, Where can I find some unsupported repositories?
[11:32] <ixiion> hu when i do a OPEN in gwenview an klick the file it works
[11:32] <k0llin> ixiion -> right click the file, properties, click the spanner by the filetype, then either add the program you want, or change the order to have that program at the top of the list
[11:33] <ixiion> or use the konqueror for file link administration right ?
[11:33] <Snake__> eva_: I dont know what your trying to do but perhaps check out klik? http://klik.atekon.de/
[11:33] <ixiion> thats what i did
[11:33] <shawn__> hey does kubuntu have a firewall running by defualt?
[11:33] <k0llin> I dunno, that's the way I was told to it, and it works for me. (^.^;)>
[11:34] <shawn__> because I'm running amule and I keep getting a low ID, I've already open my router ports
[11:34] <eva_> Snake__, I want to install supertux 0.1.3 on breezy!!!
[11:35] <jeekl> Anyone here who knows a thing or two about ssh and have some time over to helt a newbie? I'm trying to start a ssh-server on my box to let my friend in, but he keeps getting authentivation errors. What do I do to fix that?
[11:36] <flixor-> is he logging in from an other linux box
[11:36] <Rayman> eva_: http://supertux.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Download/Installation#Gentoo_Linux
[11:36] <jeekl> flixor-: no, xp via winscp (http://winscp.net/eng/index.php)
[11:37] <flixor-> but can you login yourself
[11:37] <ixiion> let him try putty
[11:38] <eva_> Rayman, I moved from gentoo, because ubuntu should be much more easy to use, but I have found out that after the installation gentoo seems to be better than ubuntu on the desktop. Of course that when gentoo breaks then I needed help from a man!!
[11:38] <jeekl> Just to make this clear, I've created a user account on my box for him, added the user to allowusers in sshd_config. Should I do anything else than that?
[11:38] <eva_> Rayman, That's why I'm now on ubuntu, I'm just missing supertux 0.1.3!!!
[11:40] <eva_> Rayman, is it possible to run emerge on Ubuntu?
[11:41] <ixiion> it is but i dont think anyone would recommand it only whn you know what you do
[11:42] <ixiion> emerge is link apt but for gentoo
[11:42] <ixiion> like
[11:42] <Blippe> eva_ 0.1.2 aint got what you want?
[11:43] <eva_> Blippe, Nooo It doesn't have the new levels!!!!
[11:43] <Blippe> eva_, I guess the next version will be in dapper
[11:43] <eva_> Blippe, It is!! But I have breezy and dapper is not yet releazed
[11:44] <ixiion> supertux support autopackage
[11:45] <vicks> is there a place to suggest new programs to go inte to the repos?
[11:45] <vicks> into*
[11:46] <vicks> i think it would be great if lphoto was in the repos
[11:47] <vicks> actually i think it would be cool if it was installed in the base system. it much more easy to use than digikam
[11:49] <eva_> Thanx for the help guys!
[11:54] <ganymed_> hallo
[11:56] <Psi-Jack> !spca5xx
[11:56] <ubotu> spca5xx is probably Breezy drivers for spca5xx based webcams are broken :( Follow this wiki if they dont work for you - - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75284&page=15
[11:57] <slow-motion> n8
[12:00] <Psi-Jack> What version of gcc is the breezy kernel-image compiled with? Does anyone know?
[12:01] <nuky> is there a way to make .bash_history store unlimited lines of history? i use a crontab to backup my history every night but sometime si miss bits and sometime si get overlaps.. :/
[12:01] <bipolar> Psi-Jack: that link that ubotu gave you, do you know if that's already fixed in dapper?
[12:01] <Psi-Jack> bipolar: Why do you assume everyone will be running Dapper before it's released? :p
[12:01] <bipolar> Psi-Jack: I had this exact thing happen with a couple of cameras, and didn't do enough research to find that fix. :)
[12:01] <Psi-Jack> Oh..
[12:02] <Psi-Jack> I don't know. ONE can hope it'll be fixed. :)
[12:02] <bipolar> Psi-Jack: I'm running dapper now, let me test it. heh... If I drop off, it's not fixed :P
[12:03] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...what package should i install in order to have java virtual machine working?