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| joelbryan | Is the parental control bounty still open? | 12:16 |
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| ogra_ | mkde ? | 12:35 |
| ogra_ | you are mixed up :P | 12:36 |
| mkde | heh | 12:36 |
| mkde | I can't access my home server so need to use this nick | 12:36 |
| ogra_ | or are you writing docs for kubuntu ? | 12:36 |
| ogra_ | ah | 12:36 |
| mkde | no, I haven't gone to the extreme of using kde yet | 12:37 |
| ogra_ | heh | 12:37 |
| ogra_ | i wonder how the ubuntu themed gnome apps look in the blue kubuntu now ... | 12:38 |
| mkde | on drugs | 12:38 |
| ogra_ | i imagine it will bite mixing that bright orange with a bright blue | 12:38 |
| ogra_ | heh, yes | 12:38 |
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| Mez | ogra_, they look really really weird | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | yes, thats what i'd expect | 12:45 |
| Mez | ogra_, hehe :D | 12:46 |
| Mez | though mine doesnt hae any orange | 12:46 |
| Mez | hae * | 12:46 |
| Mez | have * | 12:46 |
| Mez | godamn v key | 12:46 |
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| Mez | though i'm just about to update ubuntulooks ;) | 12:46 |
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| Mez | so I'll tell you in a mo | 12:47 |
| Mez | however - before I used to get blue stuff in kubuntu with brown stuff in gnome | 12:47 |
| tsdgeos | hi, does ispellcat have a mantainer? | 12:47 |
| tsdgeos | if not who do i have to bribe to /me beign the mantainer so i can fix the bugs there ? | 12:48 |
| Mez | W: Unable to locate package ispellcat | 12:48 |
| tsdgeos | aspell-ca | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/packages/edubuntu-artwork-0.1.0$ apt-cache madison ispellcat | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | ispellcat | 0.4-6 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | its in main ... | 12:48 |
| tsdgeos | yeah, but it is uber outdated | 12:49 |
| Mez | ah - source package | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | were past all freezes .... will need an exception ... | 12:49 |
| Mez | tsdgeos, it's synced from debian I believe | 12:49 |
| tsdgeos | Mez: so i must bribe someone on debian? | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | tsdgeos, nope | 12:49 |
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| mkde | tsdgeos: new versions are unlikely. you can fix bugs though: file bugs and post patches | 12:50 |
| Mez | tsdgeos, nope - if there are bugs- then bribe the MOTU | 12:50 |
| Mez | well | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | new versions will work as well if the changes are small | 12:50 |
| Mez | an ubuntu de | 12:50 |
| tsdgeos | MOTU ? | 12:50 |
| Mez | but - new versions arent likely to hit till after dapper | 12:50 |
| tsdgeos | well, the thing is that 0.4 is very old, there is 0.5 and 20040130 (that you can see is old) | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | tsdgeos, MOTU = masters of the universe, but that package is in main ... you need a main developer | 12:51 |
| tsdgeos | but that 20040130 fixes the problems i'm facing | 12:51 |
| tsdgeos | i already filed a bug | 12:51 |
| mkde | tsdgeos: Ubuntu is frozen for new versions, but if you have easy patches to fix bugs, you can attach them to bug reports | 12:51 |
| Mez | tsdgeos, if the diff is small - it can be fixed | 12:51 |
| tsdgeos | but of course i never expected noone to care for catalan | 12:51 |
| Mez | if not - then well - it'll have to wai | 12:51 |
| tsdgeos | ok | 12:52 |
| Mez | tsdgeos, link to bug? | 12:52 |
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| tsdgeos | then i'll have to ditch ubuntu | 12:52 |
| tsdgeos | bah | 12:52 |
| tsdgeos | no distro fits me | 12:52 |
| tsdgeos | :-( | 12:52 |
| ogra_ | tsdgeos, hey jordi works in the translation team of ubuntu :) | 12:52 |
| tsdgeos | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ispellcat/+bug/32984 | 12:52 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 32984 in ispellcat aspell-ca "Package is outdated" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 12:52 |
| ogra_ | indeed we care about catalan :) | 12:52 |
| Mez | tsdgeos, we care about everyone | 12:52 |
| tsdgeos | well, then why do you have a 2 versions old packge of the spellchecker? when newest version is already 2 years old? | 12:53 |
| mkde | tsdgeos: you may also be able to install the new version manually | 12:53 |
| tsdgeos | mkde: of course, i may intall everything from source, but then i'd not be running any distro but TSDgeos Linux | 12:53 |
| mkde | tsdgeos: how about just installing this one thing | 12:53 |
| mkde | but the reason it is old is likely because the debian package is out of date | 12:53 |
| tsdgeos | mkde: how about fixing it so every catalan user out there (there are 6 millions of us) gets this fixed and not only me? | 12:54 |
| tsdgeos | and well | 12:54 |
| mkde | tsdgeos: it may be possible to get an exception for the freeze, but in general, freezes are there to protect you | 12:54 |
| mkde | you just don't realise it | 12:54 |
| tsdgeos | yeah of course | 12:54 |
| jordi | tsdgeos: hey man, cam down a bit | 12:54 |
| tsdgeos | he he | 12:55 |
| tsdgeos | fucking me | 12:55 |
| jordi | what do you mean "uberoutdated"? | 12:55 |
| tsdgeos | i only entered here to tell i wanted to fix it | 12:55 |
| jordi | sure, it's not the very last version from joan's site, but what are you missing specifically? | 12:55 |
| tsdgeos | and here i am flaming everyong | 12:55 |
| tsdgeos | sorry dudes | 12:55 |
| tsdgeos | jordi: it does not gets apostrophed words right | 12:55 |
| tsdgeos | l'home <- error | 12:56 |
| jordi | tsdgeos: I am the maintainer of aspell-ca | 12:56 |
| tsdgeos | l'estiu <- error | 12:56 |
| jordi | and that's fixedf in the newer version? | 12:56 |
| tsdgeos | when using mandriva files all works perfect | 12:56 |
| jordi | I'll have a look this week. | 12:56 |
| tsdgeos | i guess because i would not hope mandriva specially patched their files to fix that | 12:56 |
| tsdgeos | jordi: uber is german for very or so | 12:57 |
| tsdgeos | KDE deformation of my wording | 12:57 |
| jordi | t might well be that the Debian mods breaki that somehow. | 12:57 |
| jordi | I know what uber is :) | 12:57 |
| jordi | damn I hate this keyboard | 12:57 |
| tsdgeos | well, then uberuoutdated means that, the package is 0.4 when there are 2 newer versions ;-) | 12:57 |
| tsdgeos | jordi: that two squares i see are typos? | 12:58 |
| tsdgeos | or are sucky fonts on my side? | 12:58 |
| jordi | it's funny thatthey hve 0.5 | 12:58 |
| ogra_ | tsdgeos, i'd rather translate ber with extreme | 12:58 |
| jordi | because I invent the version numbers. | 12:58 |
| ogra_ | (as a german) | 12:58 |
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| tsdgeos | jordi: ????? ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/ca | 12:59 |
| tsdgeos | 0.5 here | 12:59 |
| tsdgeos | and 20040130 that's newer than 0.5 | 12:59 |
| tsdgeos | or you are not using that pacakges? | 12:59 |
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| tsdgeos | ogra_: ok, thanks for the clarification | 01:01 |
| jordi | tsdgeos: nope | 01:01 |
| jordi | tsdgeos: debian source uses softcatala's dictioanri | 01:01 |
| jordi | www.jmoratinos.com | 01:02 |
| tsdgeos | doh | 01:02 |
| jordi | tsdgeos: I'll have a look, don't worry | 01:03 |
| tsdgeos | well, why aren't you (softcatala) contributing back changes? seems your work is newer but has some problems like the l'home thing i said | 01:03 |
| tsdgeos | jordi: thanks dude | 01:03 |
| tsdgeos | the other day i was looking for you on irc but tough you used oskuro or somethign similar and failed | 01:04 |
| jordi | I've been jordi for a long time now | 01:05 |
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| jordi | http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/nickname-change-2004-09-15-00.58?showcomments=yes :) | 01:05 |
| jordi | tsdgeos: not sure, I'll have to ask jmo | 01:05 |
| tsdgeos | jordi: sure it was not because oskuro had a K in it ;-) | 01:07 |
| tsdgeos | well i think it's nice to have a nick similar to your name, i always have the same problem of people not associating tsdgeos with the aacid kde svn account :D | 01:08 |
| tsdgeos | anyway sleep time | 01:08 |
| tsdgeos | jordi: thanks a lot for having a look, hope you can find the problem | 01:09 |
| jordi | sure | 01:09 |
| tsdgeos | if you need testers or so i'm usually on freenode so just ping me | 01:09 |
| jordi | no, the k wasnt a problem ;) | 01:09 |
| jordi | (not in this case ;) | 01:09 |
| jordi | ok | 01:09 |
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| jdahlin | Was CONFIG_KPROBES turned on recently in ubuntu kernels? | 01:49 |
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| Mez | infinity, ping | 01:51 |
| Burgundavia | jdahlin: you need to talk to BenC about that | 01:52 |
| jdahlin | oh, there isa #ubuntu-kernel | 01:52 |
| santiagoroza | there's this spec (or spec-wannabe) i'd like ubuntu developers to take a look at, i think it could be a nice step forward in usability ... | 01:53 |
| santiagoroza | it's wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormatsAssistant | 01:53 |
| jdahlin | Burgundavia: thanks | 01:53 |
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| Burgundavia | santiagoroza: that is at the earliest dapper+1 material | 01:54 |
| Burgundavia | santiagoroza: you should also look at DesktopHooks | 01:54 |
| santiagoroza | yeah i looked at that | 01:54 |
| santiagoroza | but it's a different approach | 01:54 |
| maxie | is it me, or is the kubuntu flight5 link broken> | 01:54 |
| santiagoroza | i just wanted to know who should i talk to, in order to get the spec looked at | 01:55 |
| santiagoroza | because it'd be nice to have easy mp3/dvd support, while staying legal of course | 01:56 |
| mkde | santiagoroza: it is best to leave it until after dapper is released, and raise it at or before the developer conference | 01:56 |
| santiagoroza | and the developer conference will be when? i wouldn't know since i'm not a dev | 01:57 |
| Burgundavia | santiagoroza: I think desktop install hooks is the proper way to go | 01:57 |
| Burgundavia | santiagoroza: may, if dapper releases on time | 01:57 |
| santiagoroza | Burgundavia: it might be the proper way to go, for not-so-common things | 01:57 |
| santiagoroza | but it's completely wrong for common things like mp3 or dvd | 01:58 |
| Burgundavia | umm, why? | 01:58 |
| santiagoroza | because that way | 01:58 |
| Burgundavia | this is what winodws media player does | 01:58 |
| santiagoroza | no | 01:58 |
| santiagoroza | windows media player ships with mp3 at least | 01:58 |
| santiagoroza | and btw not everything they do is right :) | 01:58 |
| santiagoroza | i was saying | 01:58 |
| santiagoroza | because that way | 01:58 |
| Burgundavia | no, but they do have this right | 01:58 |
| santiagoroza | users have to download stuff every time they open a simple movie or song | 01:59 |
| Burgundavia | people want mp3 playback, not restricted formats | 01:59 |
| santiagoroza | that's ok for uncommon codecs | 01:59 |
| santiagoroza | not for stuff everyone will eventually need | 01:59 |
| santiagoroza | people want mp3 playback... and dvds and quicktime | 01:59 |
| Burgundavia | I disagree with the "everyone will need it" | 01:59 |
| santiagoroza | well we ship a music player don't we? | 02:00 |
| Burgundavia | regardless, this is not the place to talk about it | 02:00 |
| Burgundavia | the topic is well understood | 02:00 |
| santiagoroza | ok, what's the place then? | 02:00 |
| Burgundavia | the spec and at the deveopment conference | 02:01 |
| santiagoroza | ok, thanks then | 02:01 |
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| desrt | yay! more time to convince seb about the logout dialog box | 02:33 |
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| mkde | desrt: don't jump the gun | 02:53 |
| Mez | desrt always jumps the gun | 02:55 |
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| Mez | he thoguht i wasnt gonna let him back into the room ;) so he went and ate without me | 02:56 |
| Mez | infinity, ping | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | heh | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | nothing like dining with the fine cuisine of mcdonalds though | 02:58 |
| desrt | :) | 02:58 |
| desrt | which one of you was it that got me lost? | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | mez, of course | 02:58 |
| desrt | "oh.. i know where the mcdonalds is..." | 02:58 |
| Mez | desrt, I sorta did ;) | 02:59 |
| Mez | I swear there was a closer one ;) | 02:59 |
| Mez | lol | 02:59 |
| Mez | me and riddell found it easily | 02:59 |
| desrt | by statistics alone i believe you | 02:59 |
| Mez | but i really cant work out how we couldnt find it again | 02:59 |
| desrt | since the one we ended up at was impossibly far :) | 02:59 |
| Mez | if only riddell was on hand... :D | 02:59 |
| desrt | for a brit, your english is awful | 03:00 |
| jdub | yeah, you speak like a canuck | 03:00 |
| desrt | glare. | 03:00 |
| mkde | is that a compliment? | 03:00 |
| jdub | more a glass door for desrt to walk into | 03:00 |
| Mez | desrt, how so? | 03:01 |
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| desrt | Mez; "me and riddle" | 03:01 |
| Mez | ah - lol :D | 03:02 |
| Mez | that's just me being lazy | 03:02 |
| desrt | and also, you want "had only riddle been on hand..." | 03:02 |
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| desrt | or "if only riddel were on hand" | 03:02 |
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| Mez | I'm a lazy typer :D | 03:02 |
| Mez | and meh - | 03:02 |
| Mez | *shrugs* | 03:02 |
| desrt | or even "if only riddle had been on hand" if you really looking for lots of typing :) | 03:03 |
| ajmitch | desrt: pedant | 03:03 |
| Mez | ajmitch, well said | 03:03 |
| desrt | true story | 03:03 |
| desrt | my friends call me grammar nazi | 03:04 |
| mkde | you should get together with trappist | 03:04 |
| desrt | a reasonable subset of them even thank me | 03:04 |
| mkde | he has that nickname too | 03:04 |
| timetolag | must go NOW 2 alienware laptops price 550 altogether for both. want them gone today message me on aim at ogd443 or msn at mcsltd1@hotmail.com or yahoo at thishastogotoday | 03:04 |
| mkde | after a week with the docteam | 03:04 |
| mkde | oh bog off timetolag | 03:04 |
| desrt | oh man | 03:04 |
| desrt | lamer smalltime irc spam | 03:05 |
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| Mez | desrt:I'm usually a grammar nazi too - but - not all the time | 03:05 |
| desrt | Mez; inappropriate use of what i can only assume are meant to be emdashes | 03:06 |
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| ajmitch | grammar nazi is not a part-time job | 03:06 |
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| Mez | /kick desert nazi | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | way to go jdub! | 03:06 |
| desrt | Mez; in appropriate use of the letter 'e' | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | why do I get all these bugs which I can't reproduce? | 03:07 |
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: has sabdfl blessed your computer or something? ;-) | 03:07 |
| Mez | desrt: this is starting to sound like mau | 03:07 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I wish.. | 03:07 |
| desrt | Mez; i was just thinking that :) | 03:07 |
| Mez | ;) | 03:07 |
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| desrt | i play it at school | 03:08 |
| desrt | people love it or hate it | 03:08 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: it's just f-spot where I can't reproduce bugs, but I suspect upstream has fixed them in cvs | 03:08 |
| ajmitch | Mez: mao, I presume? | 03:08 |
| Mez | ajmitch, yeah - I always forget the spelling | 03:08 |
| desrt | ajmitch; yes. on his sandwiches | 03:08 |
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| mkde | desrt: you can read the Ubuntu guides and do some grammar nazi-ing, if you like that sort of thing, then submit patches | 03:10 |
| desrt | mkde; where are those? | 03:11 |
| mkde | desrt: they're at http://doc.ubuntu.com or in Yelp on dapper. The source is at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk, all other info is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted or #ubuntu-doc | 03:11 |
| mkde | :) | 03:11 |
| desrt | wow. nice sales pitch. jdub is bound to kick you soon :) | 03:12 |
| mkde | heh | 03:12 |
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| desrt | here's a neat question -- will it still be 6.04 if it is delayed? | 03:12 |
| mkde | depends by how long, I suppose | 03:12 |
| Burgundavia | 6 weeks is June 1st | 03:13 |
| desrt | 6.06 | 03:13 |
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| desrt | mkde; do you guys have a style guide? | 03:14 |
| mkde | desrt: yeah, doc.ubuntu.com for that too | 03:14 |
| desrt | stuff like | 03:14 |
| desrt | 1, 2, and 3. | 03:14 |
| desrt | vs | 03:14 |
| desrt | 1, 2 and 3. | 03:14 |
| desrt | have some internal inconsistency | 03:14 |
| mkde | yes, it's the former for the moment | 03:14 |
| Mez | desrt: fancy writing documents for a KDE app? | 03:15 |
| desrt | definitely not :) | 03:15 |
| Mez | desrt: it's a cool app ;) | 03:15 |
| mkde | desrt: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/ch04s02.html | 03:15 |
| jdub | mkde: hey, that page was not generated with the chunk name | 03:16 |
| desrt | mkde; IBMs? what an awful example :) | 03:16 |
| mkde | jdub: come again? | 03:16 |
| mkde | desrt: we accept patches on the styleguide too :) | 03:16 |
| desrt | mkde; for the only case i can imagine IBM's is, indeed, correct | 03:17 |
| jdub | mkde: 'ch04s02.html' -> that's the autogenerated name, not the chunk name | 03:17 |
| mkde | jdub: right, the norm walsh stylesheets do that by default, iirc | 03:17 |
| jdub | you can tell them to use chunk names | 03:17 |
| jdub | it's just a parameter | 03:18 |
| mkde | sure | 03:18 |
| jdub | 'course, then you need chunk names | 03:18 |
| jdub | but those are just the ids | 03:18 |
| jdub | makes it neater, and more likely to keep sane urls | 03:18 |
| mkde | yes, that would be a good thing to get right | 03:18 |
| mkde | i've heard complaints on #ubuntu about that | 03:18 |
| mkde | alright then | 03:18 |
| jdub | (that's one thing i find frustrating about this kind of generation - you have to be very anal retentive about chunk name changes to make sure urls stay the same, both by name and semantics) | 03:19 |
| jdub | hmm, might be cool to add a test to check when chunk names are changed | 03:20 |
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| mkde | jdub: that sounds like a lot of work. I've fixed the filename thing though | 03:22 |
| mkde | the id's in the styleguide are pretty dodgy though | 03:24 |
| desrt | mkde; ... crikey! | 03:25 |
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| jdub | mkde: should only be a bit of xpath hackery, following the logic of the stylesheets (which is fairly simple for chunking rules, i believe) | 03:27 |
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| wickers | I think I found a bug or two with the flight 5 liveCD | 03:34 |
| wickers | The desktop is not writable. | 03:35 |
| Burgundavia | wickers: please file them. If you have a solution | 03:35 |
| Burgundavia | wickers: this is the place to discuss your solution to a bug, not the bug itself | 03:36 |
| wickers | Ahh.. ok.. chmod | 03:36 |
| wickers | ;) | 03:36 |
| wickers | just kiddin | 03:36 |
| wickers | I'll check out where to file bug reports. | 03:36 |
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| mkde | woof | 03:39 |
| mkde | sorry desrt, missed everything you said (if anything) after "crickey", I pulled my network cable out of the wall | 03:39 |
| desrt | mkde; a few more notes about the style guide | 03:40 |
| desrt | mkde; in general, your use of commas is a bit weird | 03:40 |
| mkde | yes, we've discussed this a bit on the ML recently | 03:40 |
| desrt | mkde; also, quotations aren't covered completely | 03:40 |
| === desrt says "pwned." | ||
| desrt | vs | 03:40 |
| === desrt says "pwned". | ||
| desrt | the 2nd seems to be more popular in our setting | 03:41 |
| mkde | you are just trappist in disguise, right? | 03:41 |
| desrt | no. | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | desrt: you need to read the ubuntu-doc ML. We discussed that too | 03:41 |
| desrt | hah | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | great word-nazises think alike? | 03:42 |
| mkde | desrt: anyway, def. be glad to have you join in the discussion on that, or do any proofreading, or even contribute the odd section before string freeze | 03:42 |
| desrt | mkde; i'm not really sure i can commit any real time to this, unfortunately | 03:42 |
| mkde | desrt: np, whatever you want | 03:42 |
| desrt | mkde; and it seems that my random observations are already known... so that's good :) | 03:43 |
| mkde | :) | 03:43 |
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| elkbuntu | is this bad, and if so, known? http://pastebin.com/597336 | 03:50 |
| jdub | mkde: how much of the ubuntu styleguide points to or directly uses the gnome styleguide? | 03:51 |
| mkde | jdub: I think the answer is "some but not all", but I am not 100% sure, if you send a mail to the list, the author will answer | 03:51 |
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| theCore | quick question, does the 6-weeks delay will affect the Freezes? | 03:57 |
| minghua | elkbuntu: nothing to be worried about. but see bug #6614 if you are interested to fix it :-) | 03:58 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 6614 in gs-common "Use of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/6614 | 03:58 |
| elkbuntu | minghua, heh i wish i had a clue | 03:59 |
| theCore | nevermind | 03:59 |
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| Lathiat | Kamion: hrm that kubutu daily doesnt seem to have gone through | 04:32 |
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| elkbuntu | just a question before i file a bug report: what are the privs for /home/username/.xauthority supposed to be? | 04:55 |
| Lathiat | .Xauthority, u+rw,u-x,go-rwx | 04:55 |
| Lathiat | owned by $user | 04:56 |
| Mez | ls: /home/username/.xauthority: No such file or directory | 04:56 |
| Lathiat | .<x>authority shouldnt exist | 04:56 |
| Mez | ls: /home/mez/.xauthority: No such file or directory | 04:56 |
| Lathiat | but i assume thats a typo | 04:56 |
| Mez | -rw------- 1 mez mez 1162 2006-03-10 15:31 /home/mez/.Xauthority | 04:56 |
| elkbuntu | well... it exists and is stopping the gksudo | 04:56 |
| elkbuntu | ls -l /home/melissa/.Xauthority gives: -rw------- 1 root root 0 2006-03-02 18:32 /home/melissa/.Xauthority | 04:58 |
| elkbuntu | so it's the same as for Mez | 04:59 |
| Mez | elkbuntu, not exactly | 04:59 |
| Mez | elkbuntu, try this: sudo chown melissa:melissa /home/melissa/.Xauthority | 04:59 |
| Mez | that's your problem ;) | 04:59 |
| elkbuntu | ah | 04:59 |
| Mez | t's owned by the wrong user | 05:00 |
| elkbuntu | i didnt do anything to change this however | 05:00 |
| Mez | *shrugs* | 05:00 |
| Mez | you rpobably tried sudo'ing and running X as root or something to get that to happen | 05:00 |
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| Mez | sudo chown melissa:melissa /home/melissa/.Xauthority | 05:00 |
| Mez | will fix it though | 05:00 |
| elkbuntu | aye, but so long as the updates fix it, since i'd place my life on a bet that the updates made it like that | 05:01 |
| Mez | elkbuntu, er ... | 05:02 |
| Mez | not likely | 05:02 |
| Mez | but that comand'll fix it | 05:02 |
| elkbuntu | i hadnt installed anything, just run updates this past week | 05:02 |
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| Mez | it's probably just an accident somewhere ;) | 05:02 |
| elkbuntu | yep | 05:02 |
| Mez | the command fixes it | 05:02 |
| elkbuntu | but so long as it's not a permanent accident i'm happy | 05:03 |
| Mez | shouldn't be | 05:03 |
| elkbuntu | good, because i ran updates immediately before coming in here | 05:04 |
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| desrt | oh. i see. orange. | 07:04 |
| desrt | has ubuntu gone mental? | 07:05 |
| desrt | erp. wrong channel. | 07:05 |
| fabbione | LOL | 07:05 |
| fabbione | desrt: ehehe | 07:05 |
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| elkbuntu | that's been a common reaction... | 07:07 |
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| Aegir` | I like the orange. Better than brown. | 07:18 |
| Aegir` | But mind you, I also quite liked the brown. | 07:18 |
| Burgundavia | opinions were very mixed on that one | 07:19 |
| Lathiat | 1 thing with the brown | 07:19 |
| Lathiat | it was distinctive | 07:19 |
| Lathiat | you see ubuntu, you know its ubuntu :) | 07:19 |
| Lathiat | i havent seen the orange yet | 07:19 |
| Lathiat | so i'm holding back my opinions :) | 07:19 |
| Aegir` | I'm not sure wether theres really an issue either way. Theres always clearlooks, and whatnot, still availible. | 07:19 |
| jdub | Aegir`: the issue is out-of-the-box love | 07:20 |
| Aegir` | Well, I've got a lot of love for orange. | 07:20 |
| jdub | (and hate, because it's not good enough just to be boring) | 07:20 |
| elkbuntu | its not the colour orange i dislike, it's the intensity of it | 07:22 |
| elkbuntu | the desktop grid on the panel is still annoying me :P | 07:23 |
| fabbione | jdub: thanks for the posting on the fridge.. HeavYMetaL | 07:23 |
| jdub | ROAR! :-) | 07:23 |
| jdub | fabbione: which irc channel are you using for it? wasn't mentioned in your post | 07:24 |
| fabbione | #ubuntu-ports | 07:24 |
| minghua | elkbuntu: yeah, I agree the desktop icon sucks | 07:24 |
| elkbuntu | minghua, i want the little application icons back on them too :( | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | roar? | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | jdub: fridge sucks so much on epiphany | 07:26 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: ?! | 07:26 |
| jsgotangco | jdub: the link tabs get relocated radomly | 07:27 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: hrm, thought i fixed that sucker | 07:27 |
| minghua | jdub: I have the same problem in firefox | 07:33 |
| jdub | yeah, same issue everywhere | 07:33 |
| jdub | i thought i'd fixed it | 07:33 |
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| desrt | if the ubuntu installer crashes inside of qemu..... whose fault is it.... | 08:31 |
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| fabbione | hey pitti | 08:38 |
| fabbione | desrt: it depends from the crash? | 08:38 |
| pitti | Hi guys | 08:38 |
| pitti | hey fabbione | 08:38 |
| desrt | "Downloading file 655 of 838 (0s remaining)" | 08:38 |
| fabbione | pitti: how do I make sure a buffer is 64bit alligned? | 08:38 |
| desrt | this is a neat thing to see from an ubuntu install on a box that's not connected to the net | 08:39 |
| fabbione | desrt: network connection stalled? | 08:39 |
| desrt | fabbione; no. it's going pretty fast.... | 08:39 |
| pitti | fabbione: uh, no idea in C | 08:39 |
| fabbione | pitti: ok | 08:39 |
| desrt | fabbione; you can use the gcc allignment attribute | 08:39 |
| fabbione | desrt: can you elaborate please? | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | morning guys | 08:39 |
| pitti | hey ajmitch | 08:40 |
| === ajmitch seems to have a very broken box here now | ||
| desrt | fabbione; __attribute__((aligned(8))) | 08:40 |
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| desrt | fabbione; ie: align to the nearest 8-byte boundry | 08:40 |
| desrt | fabbione; gcc-only | 08:40 |
| desrt | fabbione; don't expect that to work with automatic variables | 08:41 |
| fabbione | __attribute__((aligned(8))) unsigned char buf[BLOCK_SIZE] ; | 08:41 |
| fabbione | this works | 08:41 |
| fabbione | but i guess i need to make it conditional | 08:42 |
| fabbione | I think only sparc and alpha requires 64bit allignment | 08:42 |
| fabbione | and i can't care less about alpha | 08:42 |
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| elkbuntu | is there a reason netstat runs as a zombie process at boot? | 09:01 |
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| Burgundavia | jdub: you don;'t need to worry about the ubuntu-users mailing list. I can deal with it | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: (i assume it is you who is clearing out the spam queue) | 09:03 |
| Pygi | elkbuntu: huh :-/ | 09:03 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: it's just part of my morning listadmin run | 09:04 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: ok | 09:04 |
| elkbuntu | i've JUST booted 7 mins ago cos i noticed netstat and firefox running as zombie processes.. so right after boot, i ps -el | grep 'Z' and get: 0 Z 1000 5197 5138 0 79 0 - 0 exit ? 00:00:00 netstat <defunct> | 09:04 |
| Pygi | no good :-/ | 09:05 |
| elkbuntu | i'll pastebin the output from before boot | 09:05 |
| elkbuntu | with ff in there too | 09:06 |
| Pygi | k, thanks | 09:06 |
| elkbuntu | http://pastebin.com/597531 | 09:07 |
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| elkbuntu | however this time firefox isnt zombied, but it sorta tried crashing at a page i went to it might have been the cause of that, since ff is a little instable right now | 09:07 |
| Pygi | what ff are you running? ff 1.5.1. or nigthly build? | 09:08 |
| elkbuntu | whatever is in the repos | 09:08 |
| Pygi | huh, that one has extreme problems with javascript code :-/ | 09:08 |
| elkbuntu | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060311 Ubuntu/dapper Firefox/1.5.0.1 | 09:08 |
| elkbuntu | i'm really wondering why the heck netstat would be running zombie anyway, it's like single threaded | 09:09 |
| Pygi | hm... | 09:11 |
| elkbuntu | pygi will you be around for a few hours yet? i'll be guineapig but i need to go afk a while | 09:11 |
| Pygi | elkbuntu: probably...talk to you later then.... | 09:11 |
| elkbuntu | okies, thanks :) | 09:11 |
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| Pygi | Lathiat: ? where? In dapper? | 09:14 |
| robitaille | Lathiat: I don't have any breezy in my repos | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | Pygi: yeh, fresh flight5 install | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | if i goto repoisotries | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | and click add | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | i can add breezy sources | 09:15 |
| robitaille | oh...yes | 09:15 |
| Pygi | Lathiat: yup, true... | 09:16 |
| Pygi | perhaps someone want to use old libs/app until new ones are stable enough | 09:16 |
| Lathiat | thats likely to cause total hell | 09:16 |
| Pygi | I bealive it will be truncated once the final release is made | 09:17 |
| Pygi | Lathiat: most probably, but that's why you won't use it ;) | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | ugg, the add dialog sucks | 09:17 |
| Pygi | Lathiat: People who use it should know what can they get with that :P | 09:17 |
| Lathiat | Burgundavia: yeh it shouldnt be an add dialog it should be some kind of matrix | 09:18 |
| Pygi | Lathiat: And you would explain that how to regular user? :-/ | 09:18 |
| Burgundavia | no, there is no use case for not adding updates and security when you add a dialog | 09:18 |
| Lathiat | Burgundavia: heh | 09:19 |
| Lathiat | right | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | s/dialog/repo | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | however, you have to capture that complexity | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | maybe a |> expander? | 09:19 |
| Lathiat | also, i hope theres an option to turn these low disk notifications off | 09:19 |
| Lathiat | like a UI accessible option | 09:19 |
| Lathiat | i know many people that fill disks up on purpose | 09:20 |
| Pygi | Burgundavia: well, if you really wanted, you could always edit sources.list manually | 09:20 |
| Lathiat | anyoen got an idea? | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | Pygi: indeed | 09:20 |
| Pygi | Lathiat: yup, an option to turn it off might be a good idea, but filling disk up to the top is not a good idea at all | 09:20 |
| Lathiat | Pygi: sure it is | 09:20 |
| Lathiat | Pygi: i have a 200G drive full of .. files | 09:21 |
| Lathiat | i dont care that its full | 09:21 |
| Lathiat | its there to be used | 09:21 |
| Lathiat | i mean having / not full is fine | 09:21 |
| Lathiat | and i agree | 09:21 |
| Lathiat | but other drives can be filled intentionally | 09:21 |
| Lathiat | windows used to drive me nuts with that | 09:21 |
| Pygi | hm, imagine a situation where you have /home1 with 1000 users on LDAP on a server | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | it needs two things: 1) smarter default as to what mount points to care about | 09:22 |
| Lathiat | also, anyone knwo how i can make mounted drives show up in the places menu | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | 2) gui options to chat it | 09:22 |
| Lathiat | 'user' used to do it | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | change it | 09:22 |
| Pygi | and each user has a quote....we really do need that reminder in that case | 09:22 |
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| Lathiat | Pygi: sure | 09:22 |
| Lathiat | Pygi: theres both uses cases | 09:22 |
| Lathiat | / or /home shoudl most certainly not be full | 09:22 |
| Lathiat | but other drives can be | 09:22 |
| Lathiat | so | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | Pygi: sure, a reminder is useful, but having no options to change it is less than optimal | 09:22 |
| Pygi | ajmitch: yup, scrool up...being able to turn it off is great | 09:23 |
| Lathiat | any ide aon the disk thing? | 09:23 |
| Pygi | I don't even know if that reminder would work with a quote on LDAP server /home dirs | 09:23 |
| Lathiat | thats annoying a mate of mine as well, if the drives arent on his desktop he goes nuts :) | 09:23 |
| Lathiat | Pygi: probably doesnt take quotas in to count | 09:23 |
| Pygi | Lathiat: O, joy... | 09:24 |
| Lathiat | Pygi: can fix that ;p | 09:24 |
| Pygi | That's a issue for users then | 09:24 |
| Pygi | Lathiat: if you can...fix it ;) it would be great ;) | 09:24 |
| Lathiat | i'll pass? ;p | 09:25 |
| Pygi | ok ;) | 09:25 |
| Lathiat | i dont need it ;p | 09:25 |
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| Pygi | Latguat; bah, that's not a good opinion ;) If you don't need a C compiler, then we shouldn't fix C compiler? ;) (joke) | 09:26 |
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| Pygi | Lathiat: hehe ;) | 09:30 |
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| glatzor | hi jsgotangco. good to see you! as suggested by mark there will be some interface changes in g-a-i. | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | gahhh | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | glatzor, do you have a list? | 10:15 |
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| glatzor | jsgotangco: the "add channel/section" button will be removed. mainly we restored the old behavior. | 10:15 |
| glatzor | so if you click on install and the section/channel is not in your sources.list a dialog pops up. | 10:16 |
| glatzor | furthermore I would like to change the term "component" to "section". this is the one used by debian. | 10:18 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: I changed the wording of some dialogs a little bit to reflect the new workflow. | 10:19 |
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| Burgundavia | glatzor: component and section are differnt in debian | 10:19 |
| glatzor | the channels get "enabled" and not "added" | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: sections is what type of program, component is what license it has | 10:19 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html | 10:19 |
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| Burgundavia | glatzor: you also the issue of this: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components | 10:21 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: Ok. I will revert the change | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | ok i will check changes and amend as needed | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: the more common usage of section in debian is the type of package | 10:22 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: the man page of sources.list also speaks of components. | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 10:24 |
| glatzor | glatzor: it seems to be a bug in APT HOWTO. | 10:25 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: thanks that you were here and stopped me :) | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: yes. In a package, section clearly is about what the package is, not where it is | 10:26 |
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| glatzor | jsgotangco: do know when the new theme will be stable to take the screenshots? | 10:39 |
| jsgotangco | i will make new shots later | 10:39 |
| jsgotangco | the theme is pretty stable already | 10:40 |
| jsgotangco | i dunno about the icons | 10:40 |
| Pygi | oh, new "rainbow" theme ... joy ;) | 10:41 |
| Lathiat | i hope th etheme isnt stable | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: I don't we have ever met before | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, that's sebastien heinlen | 10:42 |
| Pygi | Lathiat: lol ;) | 10:42 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: I don't know if mvo includes my polishing for the software-properties dialogs. if yes these dialogs need new screenshots. too. but I could take them myself. | 10:43 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: Burgundavia: yes the famouse one :) | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | glatzor, i'm currently updating another box, i'll see more changes i guess | 10:43 |
| joelbryan | why does the current gnome-vfs is striipped down? start-here:, all-applications: doesn't work anymore. | 10:44 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: where you at UBZ? | 10:46 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: I helped mvo on synaptic some years ago - mainly doing documentation, translations and UI stuff. | 10:46 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 10:46 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: I stopped my open source engagement because of time reasons. This January I filled a bug against gnome-app-install not following the GNOME HIG. | 10:47 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 10:48 |
| Burgundavia | I quit a job because it contrained by OSS stuff too much | 10:48 |
| glatzor | Since mvo was low on time, so I did a patch. :) | 10:48 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: this is my way to Ubuntu. :) | 10:48 |
| jsgotangco | you quit userful? | 10:48 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: no, microserve | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | back in Feb 2005 | 10:49 |
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| _lemsx1_ | anybody around? | 10:49 |
| _lemsx1_ | Bug #34570 | 10:50 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 34570 in gksu "gksu -u root segfault (dapper)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34570 | 10:50 |
| _lemsx1_ | $> gksu echo foo | 10:50 |
| _lemsx1_ | foo | 10:50 |
| _lemsx1_ | $> gksu -u root echo foo | 10:50 |
| _lemsx1_ | Segmentation fault | 10:50 |
| Burgundavia | _lemsx1_: if you filed a bug, that is all that is needed | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | developers will respond on the bug | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | if you have a fix, please respond there too | 10:53 |
| _lemsx1_ | Burgundavia: ok. let me see what causes this... thanks | 10:54 |
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| Burgundavia | glatzor: have you worked on smart? | 10:56 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: h. no. I've even learned python last month. :) | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 10:57 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: you know the 'fantastic' webboard? :) it is my first app. | 10:57 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: no, never heard of it. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? | 10:58 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: I think that I am not the right one to answer this question. But it could be of use if you use GNOME and a pastebin server. | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: can you search on the url bar in epiphany? | 11:00 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 <-- even features a screencast | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, seems cool | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | and I award you bonus points for not using flash | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | futher points for using epiphany | 11:02 |
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| Seveas | webboard is nice | 11:07 |
| Seveas | glatzor, you should fix /usr/bin/webboard though ;) | 11:07 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: jsgotangco: the term "channel", "source" and "repository" are used in different ways in g-a-i/software-properties and documentation | 11:08 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: oh joy | 11:08 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: Canonical wants to use "channel"? | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | I disagree complete with the word channel | 11:09 |
| jsgotangco | im currently in breezy | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | that is word they were throwing around at UBZ | 11:09 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: there should be a consence on this pretty soon. | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | a channel would be a component | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | that is what I think they meant | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | so you would add a channel for universe or for skype | 11:10 |
| glatzor | but this doesn't follow the desgin of apt | 11:11 |
| Burgundavia | I think we are switching to smart for dapper+! | 11:11 |
| glatzor | but the next release is dapper+0. :) | 11:12 |
| Seveas | Burgundavia, you almost gave me a heart attack | 11:12 |
| Burgundavia | Seveas: why? | 11:12 |
| Seveas | I don't like smart too much | 11:12 |
| jdub | smart is sweet | 11:13 |
| Burgundavia | canonical did hire the lead developer of smart in 2005 | 11:13 |
| jdub | the ui is bong | 11:13 |
| jdub | but that's no problem | 11:13 |
| Burgundavia | presumably for more than just baking cookies | 11:13 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RepositoryDialogRedesign | 11:14 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: Because of this spec I renamed all "repositories" to "channels" | 11:16 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: hm. the screencast seems a little bit "direct in your face". perhaps I should move it to its own wiki site | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | just move it down | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/third-party-packages | 11:17 |
| Seveas | heh | 11:18 |
| Seveas | nice quit msg | 11:18 |
| glatzor | Burgundavia: should I add a topic "braindump" to the spec? | 11:18 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: which spec? | 11:19 |
| glatzor | the redesign one | 11:20 |
| Burgundavia | https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-app-install/+spec/ui <-- this one? | 11:20 |
| glatzor | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RepositoryDialogRedesign | 11:20 |
| Burgundavia | it is already at braindump | 11:21 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 11:21 |
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| glatzor | Burgundavia: should i bring the "channel/source/repository" issue to the ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-doc list? | 11:28 |
| Burgundavia | glatzor: ubuntu-devel for now | 11:30 |
| glatzor | Seveas: does the drag and drop of files to the webboard applet work for you? | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: why is fileroller creating blah.zip_FILES directories again. I thought that was a bug that had been fixed? | 11:33 |
| glatzor | it seems that it stopped working here without any known changes | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | Burgundavia: how is that a bug? | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | 99% of .zips dont have a subdirectory, it makes sense to make one ? | 11:34 |
| Seveas | glatzor, yes - didn't know that feature yet | 11:34 |
| Burgundavia | Lathiat: localization bug | 11:34 |
| Burgundavia | Lathiat: it should just create a folder with the name of the zip/tar.gz/etc. file | 11:34 |
| Lathiat | Burgundavia: it cant have the same name | 11:35 |
| Lathiat | Burgundavia: you cant have a file and directory witht he same name? | 11:35 |
| Burgundavia | why not? | 11:35 |
| Lathiat | or you mean to take the .tar.gz off it? | 11:35 |
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| Lathiat | (or .zip, or whatever) | 11:35 |
| Burgundavia | that works too | 11:35 |
| Burgundavia | _FILES looks hideous, aside from the obvious issues with i10n | 11:36 |
| Burgundavia | ok, why is python barfing "import: command not found" for all python programs? | 11:37 |
| glatzor | Seveas: It is fixed in my local bzr repository | 11:38 |
| Seveas | Burgundavia, bad #! interpreter? | 11:38 |
| Seveas | sounds like the shell is interpreting your pythin files | 11:38 |
| Burgundavia | ya, that is it | 11:38 |
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| glatzor | jsgotangco: do know how to open scrollkeeper docs in khelp? | 11:45 |
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| klepas | curious, will breezy users be able to update to GNOME 2.14 when it comes out? | 12:17 |
| klepas | without updating to dapper i mean | 12:19 |
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| klepas | so no i guess | 12:19 |
| _lemsx1_ | dunno. i'm not a dev | 12:19 |
| klepas | that's it, i'm updating to dapper on the 14th :) | 12:19 |
| _lemsx1_ | that's perhaps the wisest thing to do... testing gnome2.14 was done on dapper after all... | 12:20 |
| klepas | yea | 12:20 |
| klepas | you're using dapper already? | 12:20 |
| _lemsx1_ | klepas: isn't everybody? | 12:24 |
| _lemsx1_ | ;-) | 12:24 |
| klepas | ^^ | 12:26 |
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| jsgotangco | lol | 12:41 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: so, I have a patch to NM to fix https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/33322 ; it doesn't allow you to join non-utf8 essids but at least stops NM from going "aieee". Do you want the patch or should I just upload? | 12:49 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 33322 in network-manager "segfaults on invalid UTF-8 ESSIDs" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 12:49 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: also, debuild ; debuild in NM seems to fail. | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: ask me tomorrow | 12:51 |
| Mithrandir | k | 12:52 |
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| sivang | hi all! | 01:00 |
| nictuku | hi | 01:00 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: (watching F1, just online for live-f1 support :p ... and then will be off for the afternoon) | 01:03 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: yeah, I noticed the live-f1 stuff. :-P | 01:06 |
| Mithrandir | myself, I'm busy putting together a jigsaw | 01:07 |
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| jeroenvrp | hi folks | 01:37 |
| jeroenvrp | I have a problem with apt-get (dapper) the last days | 01:38 |
| jeroenvrp | not with apt-get actually, but with openoffice 2.0.2 being not complete | 01:38 |
| jeroenvrp | I only have the dutch language component of 2.0.2 lin my list | 01:39 |
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| jeroenvrp | and when I want to upgrade this, it wants to remove OOo completely, because the rest is still 2.0.1 | 01:39 |
| jeroenvrp | I hoped the rest of OOo would be in the repos, but no luck for allready 2 days | 01:40 |
| jeroenvrp | hopefully you read this | 01:41 |
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| Seveas | jeroenvrp, known problem | 01:50 |
| Seveas | just wait | 01:50 |
| jeroenvrp | Seveas: ok, thanks - so its not me | 01:50 |
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| cassidy | elmo: ping | 02:30 |
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| Riddell | Mez: on hand? | 02:38 |
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| ogra_ | Kamion, disabling the screensaver on start of your is the second method, but if your app crashes it stays disabled, thats why i prefer the timeout pinger ... | 03:39 |
| ogra_ | s/your/your app/ | 03:39 |
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| elkbuntu | if Pygi comes back looking for me, tell him i left him a memo with memoserv | 04:47 |
| jeroenvrp | Seveas: they are now in the repos | 05:01 |
| jeroenvrp | thanks | 05:02 |
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| Riddell | what's the program that I can change my laptop brightness with in gnome? | 05:09 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: gnome-power-manager? | 05:09 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: that's just a daemon, I'm looking for the front end | 05:10 |
| Mithrandir | the applet is /usr/bin/gnome-power-manager | 05:10 |
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| dradul | {j #ubuntu | 06:15 |
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| mako | ompaul: yah | 06:28 |
| ompaul | mako, you said we should have a chat about gnubuntu is your mobile on? | 06:30 |
| mako | hmm.. | 06:30 |
| mako | yes we should | 06:30 |
| mako | nows not the best time | 06:30 |
| ompaul | okay, no worries | 06:31 |
| ompaul | my afternoon is fun anyway writing up a presentation for teachers about the joys of free software and the like | 06:32 |
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| Seveas | Kamion, ping | 07:10 |
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| desrt | mvo; 'sup. | 07:15 |
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| ssam | sorry to disturb people but this looks like rather a serious security bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/34606/ | 07:38 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 34606 in Nexenta OS "Administrator root password readable in cleartext on Breezy" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 07:38 |
| fabbione | ssam: wrong channel. that's Nexenta | 07:38 |
| ssam | apparently it effects ubuntu too | 07:38 |
| fabbione | impossible | 07:38 |
| ssam | i'd hope so, but people are confirming it in the forums | 07:39 |
| fabbione | oh halt | 07:39 |
| fabbione | that's from the installer | 07:39 |
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| mjg59 | Interesting. Certainly wasn't the case in Hoary. | 07:40 |
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| ssam | i dont see it on my machine though, powerpc default install | 07:40 |
| mjg59 | ssam: A stock install of breezy? | 07:40 |
| ssam | yes | 07:40 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 07:41 |
| mjg59 | How odd, then | 07:41 |
| mjg59 | I don't think I have any machines that were installed as Breezy | 07:41 |
| fabbione | it's not in dapper | 07:41 |
| fabbione | and i don't have breezy | 07:42 |
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| fabbione | no i have no such machine | 07:43 |
| tseng | doesnt seem to be the case here | 07:43 |
| tseng | dapper box installed with breezy | 07:43 |
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| sladen | wow. I processed *3* PGP slips. r. | 08:16 |
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| siretart | sladen: thanks for the sigs :) | 08:23 |
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| bddebian | Hi folks | 08:25 |
| bddebian | Do we have any documentation on how MoM works? | 08:25 |
| bddebian | Where the heck is everyone? :-( | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | asleep or drinking | 08:32 |
| bddebian | ajmitch! | 08:34 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: What is Scott's nick? | 08:34 |
| ajmitch | keybuk? | 08:34 |
| bddebian | Oh yeah.. Man I'm dense | 08:34 |
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| jono | hi all | 08:35 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Do you know if we have any wiki pages on setting up a buildd? | 08:35 |
| jono | anyone know where the gstreamer 0.10 equivilent of gstreamer0.8-lame is ? | 08:35 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: nope | 08:36 |
| sivang | hye jono , 'sup? | 08:36 |
| sivang | hey bddebian | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | jono: gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse | 08:36 |
| jono | hey sivang | 08:36 |
| bddebian | Hi sivang | 08:36 |
| jono | ajmitch, thanks | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | I think | 08:36 |
| jono | sivang, hows it going? | 08:38 |
| jono | ajmitch, any idea which package 'mad' is in? | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | similar, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly | 08:41 |
| jono | ok thanks | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | how goes the book writing? | 08:42 |
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| jono | when unmounting usb devices in dapper, do we still need to leave a minute or so after icon disappears to ensure it was cleanly unmounted? | 08:47 |
| mvo | jono: the last version of dapper should have a notification when it can be plugged out | 08:48 |
| jono | mvo, ok, does it throw up a dialog box when it does this? | 08:48 |
| mvo | jono: it should come up with a dialog when you click unmount, but I'm not 100% up-to-date on this (seb128 or pitti are) | 08:49 |
| jono | ok thanks | 08:50 |
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| jono | thanks mvo | 08:50 |
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| Kamion | ssam: noted, thanks, I'll check it out at the earliest possible opportunity | 09:02 |
| ssam | Kamion, thanks, lets hope this does not get overexcitedly posted on all the news site | 09:04 |
| Kamion | I can reproduce it in the vmware install of breezy I did ages ago | 09:04 |
| Kamion | but I want to dig through the installer to work out *why* it's happening, since there's explicit code in there to prevent it | 09:05 |
| Seveas | Kamion, fwiw I have a hoary, breezy and dapper install here - none of them exhibit this bug | 09:05 |
| ogra | my edubuntu breezy does ... :/ | 09:07 |
| Kamion | I'll fix it for existing installs with a base-config update | 09:07 |
| Kamion | but as I say, I want to figure out why on earth it's happening first | 09:07 |
| ogra | seems not to happen genrally ... | 09:08 |
| ogra | *generally | 09:08 |
| soumyadip | can anyone tell me how to select locales other than english, like maybe hi_IN and bn_IN in Dapper ? | 09:10 |
| soumyadip | dpkg-reconfigure locales no longer works | 09:11 |
| Kamion | locale-gen | 09:11 |
| soumyadip | hand calling it ? | 09:11 |
| Kamion | or install language-pack-$LL for whatever $LL you want | 09:11 |
| sivang | jono: good , good, you? | 09:11 |
| jono | sivang, not bad, busy as usual :) | 09:11 |
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| soumyadip | Kamion, well I'll try the langpack route | 09:12 |
| jono | any ideas if Dapper is going to be delayed yet? | 09:12 |
| Kamion | calling it by hand is perfectly acceptable, although you probably want to install the language pack anyway | 09:12 |
| Kamion | jono: no, that's what the meetings on Tuesday will be about | 09:12 |
| ogra | jono, we'll know after next TB meeting i guess | 09:12 |
| Kamion | it's only a proposal at present | 09:12 |
| jono | Kamion, ahhh cool | 09:12 |
| jono | personally I think it makes sense | 09:13 |
| Kamion | what would it mean for your book deadline? | 09:13 |
| soumyadip | Kamion, well won't n00bs be afraid, I mean it is one thing to select hi_IN from a list and another thing to type locale-gen hi_IN at a console | 09:13 |
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| jono | Kamion, Mark asked me about this - it should be fine, the book deadline pretty much moves alongside the dapper deadline | 09:13 |
| Kamion | soumyadip: dpkg-reconfigure was never particularly newbie-accessible anyway | 09:13 |
| Kamion | soumyadip: newbies can use the language selector which lets them select their language from a graphical list | 09:13 |
| jono | if it gets delayed, I suspect it will make dapper better and will also make the book better :) | 09:14 |
| Kamion | soumyadip: that will install the language pack and thereby create the locale | 09:14 |
| jono | more time to polish :) | 09:14 |
| soumyadip | Kamion, there is a language selector ? damn it I must've missed it | 09:14 |
| Kamion | soumyadip: yeah, should be in your menus | 09:14 |
| soumyadip | Kamion, looking for it | 09:15 |
| ogra | in the System menu | 09:15 |
| Kamion | well, I can reproduce the password bug here - now for an instrumented run | 09:18 |
| Pygi | jono: writing book about dapper? | 09:20 |
| Kamion | god, how the hell did this slip past | 09:20 |
| jono | Pygi, yep | 09:21 |
| Pygi | jono: k, great ;) Now we'll have two :-P | 09:21 |
| jono | Pygi, you doing one? | 09:21 |
| Pygi | jono: aha ;) | 09:21 |
| jono | Pygi, who is yours for? | 09:21 |
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| Pygi | great jono...continue the good work ;) | 09:22 |
| jono | Pygi, :) | 09:22 |
| Pygi | If you need any help with writing, let me know... | 09:22 |
| Pygi | Mine isn't on english... ;) | 09:22 |
| soumyadip | Kamion, ogra, hey thanks a ton for pointing the Language selector | 09:23 |
| jono | Pygi, croatian ? | 09:24 |
| Pygi | jono: yup | 09:24 |
| jono | cool :) | 09:24 |
| jono | good luck with it :) | 09:24 |
| Pygi | jono: thanks ;) good luck to you as well ;) | 09:24 |
| Pygi | if you need me to write few portions of book, please let me know ;) | 09:25 |
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| jono | Pygi, man you like the ;) :) | 09:25 |
| Pygi | jono: :) | 09:25 |
| jono | Pygi, cool thanks :) | 09:25 |
| jono | Pygi, we are nearly there | 09:25 |
| Pygi | jono: k...what's the focus in the book? regular users/what specificly? | 09:26 |
| jono | Pygi, its aimed at introducing new users to ubuntu | 09:26 |
| Kamion | soumyadip: np | 09:26 |
| Pygi | jono: to only ubuntu or linux in general as well? | 09:27 |
| Pygi | jono: I guess it doesn't explain linux filesystem or somethin' along that lines? | 09:27 |
| jono | its just ubuntu | 09:28 |
| jono | Pygi, it covers the filesystem | 09:28 |
| Pygi | jono: hm, that's not really for people who just want to use system...but heh, your book :) | 09:28 |
| jono | Pygi, we just cover the basics | 09:29 |
| Pygi | jono: that's much better ^^ | 09:29 |
| jono | :) | 09:29 |
| Pygi | let's move to #ubuntu-offtopic, ok? this is not appropriate channel.. | 09:30 |
| Seveas | jono, I just mailed appendix A back to prentice hall, book looks not bad so far | 09:31 |
| jono | Seveas, cool, its getting there :) | 09:31 |
| Seveas | I'm waiting for the revised chapters ;) | 09:31 |
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| ssam | Kamion, eek http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13951 | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | ssam: it wouldn't take long | 09:57 |
| Kamion | yay osnews :-/ | 09:58 |
| Kamion | I think I've isolated the twin causes | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | Kamion: is espresso the recommended install method for testing now? | 09:59 |
| Kamion | one is a very convoluted bug in cdebconf's passthrough implementation, and the other is an unfortunate consequence of using passthrough that we failed to work around | 09:59 |
| Kamion | ajmitch: mu | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | sorry :) | 09:59 |
| Kamion | ajmitch: (you assume there is a single recommended install method for testing ...) | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | heh | 10:00 |
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| Kamion | I've phoned pitti, he'll be back shortly and I'll try to get an update out tonight if at all possible | 10:06 |
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| Kamion | bloody hyperactive news sites | 10:06 |
| tepsipakki | :) | 10:06 |
| YokoZar | Hey, could someone running dapper tell me if clicking both the left and right mouse buttons simultaneously still does a middle click? We should disable that behavior by default, since it screws up trying to click both mouse buttons in some apps (eg: games) | 10:06 |
| mjg59 | YokoZar: It shouldn't if you've ever pushed the middle mouse button | 10:07 |
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| mjg59 | (I believe) | 10:07 |
| YokoZar | mjg59: well on breezy pushing both left + right acts as middle click | 10:07 |
| YokoZar | select some text and see it copy/paste it for yourself | 10:07 |
| mjg59 | If I had a breezy machine handy, I would do so. But I don't. | 10:08 |
| YokoZar | So it doesn't on Dapper? | 10:08 |
| mjg59 | If you feel it's a bug, then please report it. However, we're not likely to cripple the system for people who have two buttoned mice (such as most laptop users) | 10:08 |
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| Kamion | so am I | 10:11 |
| Kamion | we should add "grep -r yourpassword /var/log" to some testing procedure somewhere | 10:12 |
| YokoZar | mjg59: I had a bug on this a while ago | 10:12 |
| YokoZar | The main problem is we can't configure the left/right click behavior from the mouse applet | 10:12 |
| mjg59 | That's correct | 10:12 |
| mjg59 | There's no mechanism for you to do so | 10:13 |
| mjg59 | It's an X server preference, not a per-user preference | 10:13 |
| YokoZar | Other than hand editing x's config | 10:13 |
| mjg59 | The same issue applies to synaptics configuration | 10:13 |
| YokoZar | The point is that SHOULD be adjustable per-user | 10:13 |
| YokoZar | Like, some sort of X extension that lets it be changed for the session | 10:13 |
| mjg59 | To make it adjustable per-user would involve writing a new X extension | 10:13 |
| mjg59 | Given that we don't currently have an X maintainer, that's unlikely to happen in the near future | 10:14 |
| YokoZar | ;) | 10:14 |
| YokoZar | Maybe I'll draft a spec | 10:14 |
| mjg59 | Ideally, incorporate synaptics configuration | 10:14 |
| mjg59 | The same issues apply to both | 10:14 |
| YokoZar | And forward it to the xorg people | 10:15 |
| YokoZar | wait, what do you mean about synaptics configuration? | 10:15 |
| mjg59 | Synaptics trackpad configuration is impractical without a similar X extension | 10:15 |
| YokoZar | Mouse configuration spec or somesuch | 10:19 |
| Chipzz | YokoZar: I feel the urge to hurt you ;P | 10:23 |
| Chipzz | YokoZar: how would I be supposed to paste on my laptop? | 10:23 |
| YokoZar | Chipzz: ctrl-v? | 10:24 |
| Chipzz | no | 10:24 |
| YokoZar | right click, paste? | 10:24 |
| Chipzz | I use BOTH ctrl-c/ctrl-v AND pasting using the mouse button | 10:24 |
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| YokoZar | copy/paste is still horribly broken anyway. I've lost count of the number of times I've hit control-c, gone to another program, hit ctrl-v, and had nothing happen | 10:25 |
| Chipzz | and vim copy/paste in vim, and when that is not enough (and if available) the screen copy/paste keys ;P | 10:25 |
| YokoZar | Particularly annoying when you select all, copy, then close the window expecting your text to be alive | 10:25 |
| mjg59 | YokoZar: There are two mechanisms for copy/paste. The middle mouse button one is separate to ctrl+c/ctrl+v | 10:26 |
| YokoZar | mjg59: right. That's really strange in and of itself, but I don't use the middle mouse one at all and still see rather broken things like above | 10:26 |
| Chipzz | and having both available is a blessing (for me) :) | 10:26 |
| Chipzz | and I suspect for other users too | 10:26 |
| YokoZar | As much as it pains me to say, copy/paste seems to work a lot better and clear on Windows | 10:27 |
| Chipzz | that's a whole seperate issue | 10:28 |
| Chipzz | btw I'm using rxvt, which doesn't support ctrl-c/ctrl-v | 10:29 |
| Chipzz | and I suspect neither does xterm :P | 10:29 |
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| ogra | and since my laptops all only have two keys, emulate3button is essential | 10:31 |
| ogra | s/keys/buttons/ | 10:31 |
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| YokoZar | Chipzz: xterm does support shift+insert instead of ctrl-v | 10:38 |
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| pitti | hello | 10:54 |
| zyga | hey pitti | 10:55 |
| Kamion | hi, just sending you mail | 10:55 |
| zyga | do you happen to own a mac mini? | 10:55 |
| pitti | no, unfortunately not :) | 10:55 |
| zyga | I'm looking at my box, wide open and wondering wether I should 'upgrade' the cpu by removing some resistors | 10:56 |
| zyga | hmm | 10:59 |
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| Kamion | it would be so nice if folks would give a guy time to fix the damn thing on a Sunday | 11:01 |
| zyga | Kamion: ay, is there any way to fix this apart from chown root:root $damn_file && chmod 600 $damn_file? | 11:02 |
| Kamion | zyga: I'm working on it, the fewer questions the better if you don't mind | 11:02 |
| ogra | zyga, just wait for the fix | 11:02 |
| zyga | sure, sorry | 11:02 |
| Kamion | (more questions => fix will take longer, I'm critical path) | 11:02 |
| zyga | I'm not affected actually | 11:02 |
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| YokoZar | In Dapper, if you open up the disks manager applet, click partition properties, and then click browse, will it still open it with root privileges? | 11:38 |
| YokoZar | I'd like to close/reopen this bug, as it is a security issue: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17049 | 11:38 |
| Ubugtu | ubuntu bug 17049 in gnome-system-tools "Browsing as root from disks manager" [Normal,New] | 11:38 |
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| LaserJock | YokoZar: the bug is "Unconfirmed" in Malone | 11:43 |
| YokoZar | LaserJock: well, I can confirm it for Breezy, heh. | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | YokoZar: well, that doesn't help much for Dapper | 11:44 |
| YokoZar | If you're on Dapper, you can try it yourself right now by opening up the disks manager | 11:44 |
| YokoZar | system->admin->disks, click partitions, click browse. Make a file, see if it was made by root or your user | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't have my Dapper box running at the moment | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | YokoZar: I'm getting a couple guys in #ubuntu-motu to try it. ;-) | 11:47 |
| YokoZar | Thanks LaserJock | 11:48 |
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| zyga | I'm on dapper if anyone needs | 11:49 |
| YokoZar | We've confirmed it zyga | 11:52 |
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| zyga | ok | 11:53 |
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| ogra | YokoZar, why do you think its a bug ? if i run under root rights, i expect that behavior | 11:56 |
| ogra | i think its at least very questionable to call it a bug | 11:57 |
| YokoZar | Because I would expect it to open without root privs, like every other nautilus window. | 11:57 |
| ogra | not if i just gave my password and was told i work in admin mode | 11:58 |
| ogra | its exactly waht i'd expect in this case | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | ogra: do you have to start disk manager as root? I mean put in a password to open it up? | 11:58 |
| ogra | yep | 11:58 |
| ogra | you have to sudo | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | oh, well then I see your point | 11:59 |
| YokoZar | At the very least it needs to be made clear it's not a normal nautilus window | 11:59 |
| zyga | tip: yellowish background! | 11:59 |
| YokoZar | see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsefulDisksManagerSpec | 11:59 |
| ogra | just change the wording of the button would be my fix | 12:00 |
| ogra | "Browse in admin mode" | 12:00 |
| zyga | ogra, then there'll be bugs about missing button: browse in normal mode | 12:00 |
| ogra | haha | 12:01 |
| YokoZar | He's right, you know | 12:01 |
| ogra | nope... | 12:01 |
| YokoZar | I'd prefer the normal mode button anyway | 12:01 |
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| ogra | what for ? | 12:01 |
| YokoZar | Why do you need to nautilus around with root privs? | 12:01 |
| ogra | you can just use a normal filemanager if you want to browse files | 12:01 |
| zyga | ogra: then the button is useless, if someone just wants to browse files she/he cannot use it | 12:02 |
| ogra | its pointless to have a "browse" button there if its not for root, since you can just use your nautilus | 12:02 |
| YokoZar | Then you have to find the partition you just created by hand. The whole point is it gets a lot easier to just click it from inside the applet | 12:02 |
| zyga | I agree about changing the wording but there is obviously a bigger bug here | 12:02 |
| YokoZar | Maybe we should finish drafting that spec I posted | 12:02 |
| YokoZar | Lots of work could be done on the disks manager | 12:02 |
| ogra | either drop the button or change the wording, but a user "browse" button is useless | 12:03 |
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