[12:05] <LaserJock> ogra_: I'm trying to get a better handle on science apps. I'd like to keep in touch with Edubuntu for Dapper+1. If we can do some packaging that is helpful for you or do some meta-packages let me know. I'll try to follow Edubuntu a little better so I have an idea of what is going on.
[12:07] <dolson> I have a question.. who is it that gets to vote on Dapper's 6-week delay, exactly? is it only the TB? or is it all of Membership? or core-devs or something else?
[12:07] <ogra_> yeah, tels talk about the app selection in preparation of dapper+1, i can need some input of people knowing about all the apps
[12:07] <ogra_> s/tels/lets
[12:07] <LaserJock> dolson: I think it will be a "town hall" type meeting but the ultimate decision will be for the TB I think
[12:08] <LaserJock> ogra_: sounds good :-)
[12:08] <ogra_> yeah :)
[12:08] <dolson> I get the general feeling from people in here that they don't want the delay, but a lot (~90%) of end users want it.. should be interesting how it turns out
[12:12] <ogra_> i dont want to loose our reputation ... we always released on the point. and i dont want a 4 month release cycle for dapper+1
[12:12] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[12:12] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[12:12] <dolson> ogra_: I hope you're on the TB :) (I'm ignorant)
[12:13] <Mithrandir> ogra_: it won't be a 4-month cycle for dapper+1, we'd have two weeks less for dapper +1, +2 and +3
[12:14] <LaserJock> dolson: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/techboard
[12:15] <dolson> LaserJock: it should have IRC nicks in parentheses :)
[12:15] <ogra_> dolson, i'm not :)
[12:15] <marcin`> regclean
[12:15] <ogra_> Mithrandir, ah, makes sense
[12:16] <dolson> in the interest of bugfixes/stability, would it not make sense to release Ubuntu with each .1 release of GNOME?
[12:16] <LaserJock> dolson: I suppose. mdz, Keybuck, sabdfl, and mjg 59 I think
[12:19] <minghua> dolson: but I think ubuntu has been doing that since the very beginning?  (the gnome .1 releases)
[12:19] <dolson> minghua: .2 then :)
[12:20] <minghua> hmm, shouldn't sabdfl not allowed for voting on this since it's his proposal :-P
[12:20] <dolson> releases in May/November would give time for additional GNOME bugfixes at the very least.. but meh, I don't know. I don't want any delay, I just see it happening consistantly if it happens once
[12:25] <sladen> ogra_: dapper+1 will be about getting bling in, hard and fast.  Should be perfect for a 4.5 month realease cycle
[12:26] <ogra_> sladen, i have a ton of postponed features pending  ... i dont want them to be unstable but blingy :)
[12:27] <sladen> hopefully alot of the unstability may disappear with a longer period spent cleaning up the bugs
[12:27] <ogra_> not for the new stuff :)
[12:27] <sladen> I'm looking at the desktop at the moment and I'm a bit disappointed with it (but that could be the latest reaction to the ubuntulooks that landed)
[12:27] <ogra_> (which wasnt in dapper)
[12:28] <ogra_> i'm pondering to keep the brown for edubuntu ...
[12:28] <ogra_> (gtk and metacity)
[12:28] <ogra_> your screenshot was very convincing, dont throw that gtkrc away :)
[12:30] <sladen> I have a hand-fixed diff so that I could visual the changes they made
[12:31] <sladen> I was thinking of trying to get an HumanClassic into main
[12:31] <sladen> with the argument and people such as schools/corporates may want to keep a consistent style if they've taught it
[12:31] <ogra_> yeah ...
[12:33] <sladen> http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/upload/gtkrc_ubuntulooks-0.9.2-vs-clearnlooks-handhacked.diff  it's not much to change it back
[12:33] <sladen> I'm happy with Orange, just not IN YOUR FACE foreground orange
[12:34] <Mithrandir> sladen: it's less orange now, isn't it?
[12:34] <ogra_> edubuntu already has organe wallpapers ... and yellow icons
[12:34] <minghua> sladen: I would be quite happy to see HumanClassic in main
[12:34] <marcin`> hi MOTU's
[12:34] <ogra_> *orange
[12:34] <marcin`> I think that these orange icons are pretty nice
[12:34] <marcin`> but metacity theme is really too bright
[12:35] <sladen> Mithrandir: I just install 0.9.2-1 but I can't notice a difference.  I could probably take screenshots and compare them
[12:35] <marcin`> and scrollbar decoration is pretty weird too
[12:35] <sladen> marcin`: progressbar or scrollbar?
[12:36] <marcin`> sladen: scrollbar
[12:36] <minghua> sladen: I have problem with scroll bars too
[12:36] <minghua> I even have a bug for it!  bug #34415
[12:36] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34415 in ubuntulooks gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks "gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks: wish to have some delay for the scroll bar highlighting" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34415
[12:36] <minghua> :-)
[12:38] <sladen> Mithrandir: urm, dude, diffing 'gtkrc' in 0,9.2 and 0.9.2-1 says they're identical!
[12:38] <Mithrandir> sladen: seb said it was fixed.
[12:39] <ogra_> the changelog talks about color changes as well iirc
[12:39] <ogra_>  ubuntulooks (0.9.5-1) dapper; urgency=low
[12:39] <ogra_>  .
[12:39] <ogra_>    * New upstream version:
[12:39] <ogra_>      - Changed the background selection color
[12:39] <ogra_>      - Changed the metacity theme color
[12:39] <ogra_>      - Disabled scrollbars look disabled
[12:40] <ogra_>      - Fixed progressbar color in menus
[12:40] <ogra_> yep
[12:40] <ogra_> oh, youre diffing 0.9.2 and 0.9.2-1
[12:41] <sladen> this is where I need my delta sync
[12:51] <sladen> so, they've reduced the saturation from 100% to 81%...
[12:52] <sladen> oops.  100% to 81%
[12:52] <sladen> ~10%
[12:58] <Mez> evening sladen
[12:59] <spacey> i like the orange
[12:59] <ogra_> you are DUTCH
[12:59] <spacey> :D
[12:59] <dolson> I like the orange too :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> hi
[01:00] <ogra_> that doesnt count as objective opinion
[01:00] <Mez> me tries the orange
[01:00] <spacey> i hope they don't remove too much orange
[01:00] <Mez> hmm
[01:00] <Mez> where is the orange meant to be ?
[01:00] <Mez> I'm not getting any
[01:00] <ogra_> everywhere wher it was brown before
[01:01] <spacey> in the menu's and most of the gui interface
[01:01] <Mez> ogra: progress bars?
[01:01] <ogra_> yep
[01:01] <Mez> ah
[01:01] <Mez> they're showing blue in KDE :D
[01:01] <spacey> only thing which might need improvement is the top bar of the windows
[01:01] <Mez> well - for me ;)
[01:01] <spacey> its a bit too plastic
[01:02] <spacey> orange++
[01:02] <ogra_> spacey, you should see the new edubuntu wallpapers (sadly still confident until there was a basic selection) we'll have a lot new edubuntu users in .nl ;)
[01:06] <Hobbsee|away> Mez: dont let yourself be corrupted :P
[01:07] <Mez> Hobbsee, lol - same here
[01:07] <Hobbsee> link please?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> if you have one handy?
[01:12] <ajmitch> ah, hello Hobbsee
[01:12] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[01:12] <ajmitch> what do you mean, corrupted? he's corrupted enough with his kde deviances
[01:13] <ogra_> yeah
[01:13] <Hobbsee> hehe - installing gnome is more corrupting though, surely!  :P
[01:21] <spacey> ogra_: :D
[01:26] <sladen> evening mez.  I nearly went through birmingham, in fact I might go through there today
[01:26] <minghua> LaserJock: so it seems scilab is essentially unusably in ubuntu?
[01:27] <Mez> sladen, well - i'll be around - feel free to poke me to say hi
[01:27] <LaserJock> minghua: I couldn't get it to work, and in unstable it is uninstabllable
[01:27] <Mez> or are you going to meeting there?
[01:27] <Mez> (woodbrooke)
[01:28] <minghua> LaserJock: but you also said there is new upstream this February, is that what unstable has?
[01:28] <LaserJock> no
[01:28] <LaserJock> minghua: Debian has 2 RC bug that are ~ 6 months old
[01:28] <LaserJock> minghua: scilab was taken out of testing :(
[01:29] <LaserJock> minghua: the maintainer asked for an adoption so I emailed the person that responded to see where they are
[01:29] <_jaldhar> minghua: you said there was a fedora skim package.  Do you know where? It does not seem to be in the core 4 repository
[01:30] <minghua> _jaldhar: probably not a package.  the fedora scim maintainer told me skim is not in fedora core
[01:31] <minghua> jaldhar: it may well be a private package he built himself (skim ships a .spec.in file, if I remember correctly)
[01:31] <jaldhar> minghua: oh ok
[01:31] <minghua> LaserJock: I see.  It's quite a shame that we have a package not working since breezy (with a bug with 3-digit number, no less) :-(
[01:32] <minghua> LaserJock: but on the other hand it's non-free, which makes me reluctant to work on it
[01:33] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, well I don't think it was so bad a while ago. I installed it ~ Dec. and it worked but it was buggy
[01:36] <minghua> Hmm, scilab's license is really quite hostile among the ones for non-libre but costless softwares
[01:37] <LaserJock> minghua: in what ways? I didn't look at it in detail.
[01:38] <minghua> LaserJock: do not allow using a modified version for any commercial use, even in-house
[01:39] <minghua> I didn't read the license either, just the FAQ
[01:39] <sladen> Mez: probably unlikely.  I might go to Derby on my way, but I can't see myself waking up in time :)
[01:40] <sladen> Mez: the trains at el-crapo on Sunday mornings
[01:40] <sladen> Mez: what's the best way to ping you?
[01:40] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I would really like to work on getting upstreams to have a better license. The whole "free for academic or non-commercial use" is really prevalent in the sciences.
[01:42] <minghua> LaserJock: there is probably not much we can do about that
[01:43] <minghua> LaserJock: what I really don't like is the forbidden in-house commercial use part
[01:43] <LaserJock> minghua: debian-science made up a form letter to send to software authors. I'm not sure if something like that would help
[01:44] <minghua> so if I am in a company which doesn't make software at all, if I use scilab, I can't fix the bugs myself and has to wait for upstream?
[01:44] <minghua> that's something I probably can't bear with
[01:44] <minghua> LaserJock: well, considering there is a company behind, I seriously doubt a letter will make any difference
[01:45] <LaserJock> minghua: it's hard to try to complete with the big Windows proprietary software when the linux software equivalents have licenses that prevent people putting them in distros
[01:45] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I doubt in this case anything can be done (other than not use their software) but smaller projects perhaps
[01:46] <minghua> LaserJock: yes, I generally like the idea of sending upstream requests to change licensing
[01:46] <minghua> LaserJock: just pessimistic on the scilab case
[01:47] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, I looked at the new version (4.0) to see if they had changed it by chance. No such luck :(
[01:48] <minghua> heh
[01:48] <minghua> one man can dream, can't he? ;-)
[01:49] <LaserJock> sure, he just might get disapointed a lot
[01:51] <minghua> LaserJock: okay, I've now read the license.  It seems porting patches and bug fixes are not counted as "modified version", so it's much better than I thought
[01:52] <minghua> I was actually worrying if ubuntu is violating scilab's lincense :-)
[01:52] <LaserJock> hmm, that is kinda weird though
[01:53] <minghua> translation, on the other hand, counts as "modified version"
[01:53] <minghua> LaserJock: weird indeed
[01:54] <LaserJock> what? then that could potentially be a problem
[01:54] <minghua> I probably won't touch scilab's code without a lawyer if I am in industry
[01:55] <LaserJock> >:(
[01:57] <LaserJock> makes me not feel very motivated to muck around trying to fix it either
[03:19] <bddebian> Hey folks
[03:19] <dolson> hi bddebian
[03:20] <bddebian> Hello dolson
[03:20] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:20] <ajmitch> good to see you back here ;)
[03:20] <LaserJock> hi bddebian!
[03:20] <bddebian> Heh, Hi ajmitch, LaserJock
[03:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: you've got a lot of bugfixing to catch up on, get working
[03:20] <bddebian> haha
[03:20] <bddebian> You know I can't fix anything :-)
[03:21] <bddebian> I seem unable to "fix" qt-x11-free on GNU/Hurd :-)
[03:22] <ajmitch> noone can fix a broken system like that ;)
[03:22] <bddebian> Which, qt or Hurd? :-)
[03:22] <ajmitch> both
[03:22] <bddebian> Hey, who's the xfce guy, Riddell?
[03:23] <ajmitch> no, crimsun & janimo
[03:23] <bddebian> Oh yeah, crims
[03:23] <bddebian> un
[03:23] <ajmitch> especially janimo at the moment, it seems
[03:23] <ajmitch> riddell is the kubuntu guy
[03:23] <bddebian> Ah right, sorry
[03:25] <bddebian> Well damn, where are crimsun and janimo then? :-)
[03:25] <ajmitch> not here, obviously
[03:25] <bddebian> Obviously
[03:25] <bddebian> So, what have I missed? ;-)
[03:25] <ajmitch> a lot
[03:27] <bddebian> You mean like a big argument over some stupid theme? :-)
[03:28] <ajmitch> that's minor
[03:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: I already told you I can't fix anything
[03:29] <ajmitch> and I'm telling you to stop lying & start fixing
[03:29] <bddebian> The last thing I did was "fix" a bug that wasn't necessar and screwed up versioning at the same time :-(
[03:30] <ajmitch> bah
[03:30] <ajmitch> so don't do that next time
[03:30] <ajmitch> everyone makes mistakes
[03:31] <bddebian> Except you :-)
[03:31] <ajmitch> BS
[03:31] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[03:31] <sistpoty> hi folks
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[03:32] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch and bddebian
[03:32] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you've done a few uploads lately :)
[03:32] <ajmitch> got through the sync list?
[03:33] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yes, my sync list is cleared now :)
[03:33] <bddebian> There's still a synch list? :-)
[03:33] <ajmitch> great
[03:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: launchpad is broken for syncs, we're having to do them manually
[03:33] <sistpoty> bddebian: yes... unfortunately autosync is still not working/not being done :(
[03:33] <bddebian> Yikes
[03:34] <bddebian> What happened
[03:34] <ajmitch> the switch to soyuz
[03:34] <StevenK> Launchpad is also broken for removals.
[03:34] <bddebian> Ahh
[03:34] <StevenK> The archive is in Hotel California mode.
[03:34] <LaserJock> StevenK: good to know. I wanted to get a package removed
[03:35] <ajmitch> StevenK: I think that may have been fixed
[03:35] <LaserJock> you guys know if it is possible to trigger a rebuild yet from LP?
[03:36] <sistpoty> none that I know of
[03:36] <minghua> sistpoty: care to help clearing my sync list? ;-
[03:36] <minghua> sistpoty: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-March/000564.html
[03:37] <minghua> sistpoty: can you help to upload a fake sync?
[03:37] <sistpoty> minghua: sure
[03:37] <minghua> sistpoty: the sources are here: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scim-tables/
[03:38] <minghua> sistpoty: (or change the mirror name if you are not in US)
[03:38] <sistpoty> minghua: I'll just apt-get source them from my unstable ;)
[03:38] <minghua> sistpoty: thanks a lot
[03:38] <sistpoty> np
[03:38] <minghua> yeah, apt-get source is always good :-)
[03:44] <ajmitch> excellent, tried booting my main dapper box again & it died about 2 seconds into bootup
[03:46] <bddebian> sweet
[03:48] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:48] <ajmitch> that's why the box has been shutdown for 3 weeks while I was in .au
[03:48] <Lathiat> ajmitch: back in .nz?
[03:48] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:49] <Lathiat> cool
[03:49] <ajmitch> though I won't go for the ricer SLI motherboard like you did ;)
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Get me one too ;-)
[03:49] <ajmitch> heh
[03:50] <ajmitch> Lathiat: most of the rest will be the same, except 4GB RAM
[03:50] <ajmitch> might as well give it enough to compile with
[03:51] <Lathiat> mm nifty
[03:51] <Lathiat> main reason i got the SLI mobo
[03:51] <Lathiat> was becuase it has 8 sata ports
[03:51] <Lathiat> i then decide, wtf, may as well get a second video card
[03:51] <Lathiat> ;p
[03:52] <Lathiat> (my case takes 12 drives)
[03:52] <Lathiat> which i plan on filling :)
[03:52] <Lathiat> ... when im less broke
[03:52] <ajmitch> heh
[03:53] <ajmitch> http://www.ascent.co.nz/ProductSpecification.aspx?itemID=339635
[03:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: Great, then you can get started on that amd64 GNU/Hurd port.. ;-P
[03:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: no thanks
[03:53] <Lathiat> cool
[03:53] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I don't think I'll bother with 8 SATA ports at the moment
[03:54] <ajmitch> just putting 2x250GB drives in
[03:54] <Lathiat> well you wont really need them then :)
[03:54] <ajmitch> might stock up a couple more later
[03:54] <Lathiat> and with my sound and hdtv card
[03:54] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:54] <Lathiat> i coulndt really stockpile with pci cards
[03:54] <Lathiat> just 1 later, hence
[03:54] <ajmitch> I'll use software RAID
[03:54] <Lathiat> that said, i'm going to have to ditch my second video card to do that
[03:54] <Lathiat> or get a pci-e sata controller (which i coudl do)
[03:54] <ajmitch> how well is all the onboard stuff supported?
[03:54] <Lathiat> as the 3rd pci card sits far too close to the second video card for my liking
[03:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch: it all works, but the realtek audio is just dodge, including in windows
[03:55] <ajmitch> using the ALSA driver, or realtek crap?
[03:55] <Lathiat> some alsa driver
[03:55] <Lathiat> it worked
[03:55] <ajmitch> ok
[03:55] <Lathiat> then it stopped detecting on the pci bus
[03:55] <Lathiat> and windows bluescreened with it all the time
[03:55] <ajmitch> I've got hda_intel in this laptop, just got the realtek codec going this week
[03:55] <Lathiat> and then i found a better driver, and the sound would just stop after about 5 minutes
[03:56] <ajmitch> crimsun is pushing for the updates to get into dapper's kernel
[03:56] <Lathiat> ajmitch: this worked on plain.. breezy or daper, 1 of the two
[03:56] <ajmitch> ok
[03:56] <Lathiat> that motherboard isnt much cheaper than mine
[03:56] <Lathiat> only by about 50 bucks
[03:56] <Lathiat> currency aside
[03:56] <Lathiat> how much si the a8n sli premium for you?
[03:57] <sistpoty> minghua: scim-tables uploaded ;)
[03:57] <ajmitch> too much
[03:58] <ajmitch> actually it's not much more
[03:58] <ajmitch> very little difference...
[03:58] <ajmitch> except out of stock at ascent
[03:58] <Lathiat> if you wanted a cheaper motherboard im sure you could find a cheaper.. motherboard
[03:58] <ajmitch> http://www.ascent.co.nz/ProductSpecification.aspx?ItemID=342509
[03:58] <Lathiat> wah
[03:58] <Lathiat> i paid 249
[03:58] <Lathiat> aud
[03:59] <ajmitch> heh
[03:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: you wont need sli blink ;p
[03:59] <ajmitch> you can see why it's out of stock :)
[03:59] <Lathiat> its a good board tho
[03:59] <minghua> sistpoty: thanks!  I'll send a message to motu mailing list when it's built
[03:59] <ajmitch> of course I won't
[03:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it's not the same
[03:59] <ajmitch> you got the SLI premium
[03:59] <Lathiat> oh
[03:59] <Lathiat> thats not premium
[03:59] <Lathiat> i see
[03:59] <Lathiat> it looks the same in the photo
[03:59] <ajmitch> http://www.ascent.co.nz/ProductSpecification.aspx?ItemID=341441
[04:00] <Lathiat> ah, it has the hardware switch
[04:00] <ajmitch> way more
[04:00] <Lathiat> also a fan on the chipsets
[04:00] <Lathiat> rather than the heatpipey thingy i have
[04:00] <ajmitch> ok
[04:00] <Lathiat> $332.64
[04:00] <Lathiat> hah :)
[04:00] <Lathiat> i take it back
[04:00] <Lathiat> the a8n-e is cheaper
[04:00] <Lathiat> :)
[04:01] <Lathiat> ajmitch: if the prices are like that you should consider shipping them in or something ;p
[04:01] <Lathiat> compare nintek.com.au, currency convert and add shipping :)
[04:01] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:01] <ajmitch> shipping is expensive
[04:02] <Lathiat> mm nintek dont list intl shipping
[04:02] <Lathiat> what case you after?
[04:02] <ajmitch> got a case 2nd hand
[04:02] <ajmitch> lian-li
[04:02] <Lathiat> ooh those are sexy
[04:02] <Lathiat> which model?
[04:03] <ajmitch> PC 90, iirc
[04:04] <ajmitch> nah
[04:04] <ajmitch> PC-71
[04:04] <Lathiat> if its a pc90 i like those
[04:04] <Lathiat> ah
[04:04] <ajmitch> http://www.ascent.co.nz/ProductSpecification.aspx?ItemID=110990
[04:04] <Lathiat> ooh nie
[04:04] <Lathiat> they are good too
[04:04] <Lathiat> i knwo someone with one of those
[04:04] <Lathiat> ouch @ the price
[04:04] <Lathiat> whatd you pay for it?
[04:04] <Lathiat> also, black or silver?
[04:04] <ajmitch> black
[04:05] <ajmitch> haven't paid him for it yet, got to agree on a price :)
[04:05] <Lathiat> haha
[04:05] <Lathiat> your system wont be far off mine at all ;p
[04:05] <Lathiat> better not get a cpu faster than 4200+ or i'll cry :)
[04:06] <Lathiat> you should get one of these http://www.xoxide.com/lian-li-pc-777-black.html
[04:07] <ajmitch> haha nice
[04:07] <Lathiat> bit nuts eh
[04:08] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:11] <Lathiat> i haven't riced mine up enough yet
[04:11] <Lathiat> no side window and no fans with leds in them
[04:11] <ajmitch> you have amd64 dapper on it?
[04:11] <Lathiat> or UV for that matter
[04:11] <Lathiat> nah
[04:11] <ajmitch> and I'll put flight5 on
[04:11] <Lathiat> ooh thats out now
[04:11] <Lathiat> see
[04:11] <Lathiat> im a kubuntu user
[04:11] <ajmitch> shame
[04:11] <Lathiat> wonder if that dailyu build went through
[04:12] <Lathiat> there was a bug in user-setup that stopped the kubuntu cd from installing
[04:12] <Lathiat> and they stopped dailies for flight, heh
[04:12] <ajmitch> should I get the live cd & try espresso?
[04:12] <Lathiat> but should bhe good now
[04:12] <Lathiat> i'd tyr it
[04:12] <Lathiat> but i wouldnt run my system off it
[04:12] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:12] <Lathiat> it feels dirty..
[04:12] <ajmitch> heh
[04:12] <Lathiat> i'll be scrubbing myself for months
[04:12] <ajmitch> you prefer the classic installer?
[04:12] <Lathiat> yarp
[04:12] <ajmitch> why do you think it's dirty?
[04:13] <Lathiat> because it doesnt unpack everything properly :)
[04:13] <Lathiat> dirty :)
[04:13] <Lathiat> its like dd or rsyncing an install onto another machine ;p
[04:14] <ajmitch> heh
[04:14] <Lathiat> so bur.st's new server has 2 faulty drives it seems
[04:14] <Lathiat> teach me for buying WD
[04:14] <Lathiat> (out of 5)
[04:15] <Lathiat> problem with amd64
[04:15] <Lathiat> is things like video codecs
[04:15] <Lathiat> and flash
[04:15] <Lathiat> java was  a problem bu they fixed that
[04:15] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:15] <ajmitch> but I don't care about such things
[04:15] <Lathiat> i do
[04:15] <Lathiat> i watch movies all the time
[04:15] <Lathiat> flash less so, i also use java all the time
[04:15] <Lathiat> tho thats not an issue now
[04:16] <Lathiat> and the way around it is to install a chroot, and thats just but tugly
[04:16] <Lathiat> when is debian/ubuntu goign to get proper biarch support
[04:16] <Lathiat> aiui this can all work
[04:17] <ajmitch> s/biarch/multiarch/
[04:18] <Lathiat> s/whatever
[04:18] <ajmitch> probably dapper+1, there was going to be a mini-sprint on it recently
[04:18] <Lathiat> who need smore than 2? ;p
[04:19] <ajmitch> some weird archs
[04:21] <minghua> I heard the biarch idea can't solve the "some arch want /lib and /lib64, while some other arch want /lib and /lib32" problem?
[04:21] <minghua> like amd64 vs. ppc
[04:21] <StevenK> This will make watching movies on my amd64 much easier.
[04:22] <StevenK> Lathiat: Yes, I'm getting irritated at my i386 chroot. It seems like such a hack.
[04:24] <ajmitch> hey StevenK
[04:26] <ajmitch> should I get 2 or 3 250GB drives for RAID?
[04:26] <Lathiat> 3 would give you raid5
[04:26] <ajmitch> if I wanted it
[04:26] <ajmitch> it'd be a very wasteful raid 5
[04:26] <Lathiat> well what would you do with 2 drives
[04:26] <Lathiat> raid0?
[04:26] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:26] <Lathiat> do you care about redundancy at all?
[04:27] <Lathiat> all my important stuff is kept elsewhere
[04:27] <Lathiat> which pretty much falls down to my gpg and ssh keys
[04:27] <ajmitch> 3 drives in raid 0 would be a recipe for disaster if 1 died
[04:27] <ajmitch> gpg/ssh keys are stored elsewhere for me as well
[04:27] <Lathiat> as would 2 :)
[04:27] <Lathiat> and apart from that i really dont have any data i'd be overly upset about if i lost
[04:28] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:28] <ajmitch> with software raid I could mix & match anyway
[04:28] <Lathiat> yeh
[04:28] <ajmitch> so I could have a 500GB raid0 across 3 drives
[04:28] <ajmitch> & the rest as raid5
[04:28] <Lathiat> yep
[04:29] <ajmitch> since I've finally got a big enough case
[04:29] <Lathiat> ;p
[04:29] <Lathiat> i got 2 36GB raptors for boot, in raid0 it flies
[04:29] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:29] <ajmitch> nice
[04:29] <Lathiat> 130M/s
[04:30] <Lathiat> and decent seek times
[04:30] <Lathiat> i should bonnie++ it
[04:30] <ajmitch> 7200RPM will be enough for me, I think
[04:30] <ajmitch> my wallet can't handle much more
[04:30] <Lathiat> hehe
[04:30] <Lathiat> so why the buy? got money from your .au stuff and want toys? :)
[04:31] <Lathiat> 4G rams a bit nuts
[04:31] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:31] <ajmitch> plus my main box is dead
[04:31] <ajmitch> it lasted about 2 seconds into a dapper boot earlier
[04:32] <Lathiat> oh
[04:32] <Lathiat> oops
[04:32] <Lathiat> whats wrong with it?
[04:32] <ajmitch> dunno
[04:32] <Lathiat> finally kicked the bucket? ;p
[04:32] <ajmitch> probably the bad caps
[04:32] <Lathiat> oh, lovely
[04:32] <ajmitch> I haven't tried ripping cards out
[04:33] <ajmitch> currently just got my laptop to use
[04:33] <Lathiat> fun :)
[04:33] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:33] <ajmitch> it's not too slow, so I don't mind
[04:33] <Lathiat> from a laptop
[04:33] <Lathiat> not only is this machien so fast
[04:33] <Lathiat> the time to unrar or start  a pbuilder.. fwoah :)
[04:33] <Lathiat> specially with a raid0 accross raptors ;p
[04:34] <ajmitch> yeah..
[04:34] <ajmitch> raid0 across 3 drives ought to be adequate
[04:35] <Lathiat> set what up?
[04:35] <bddebian> Send it to me and I'll take care of that for ya ;-P
[04:35] <ajmitch> the RAID/LVM mix
[04:35] <Lathiat> haha bddebian
[04:35] <ajmitch> how much to allocate for each
[04:45] <Mez> wtf?
[04:45] <Mez> why was I banned?
[04:46] <ajmitch> banned from where?
[04:46] <Mez> here
[04:46] <ajmitch> you weren't, you're being paranoid
[04:46] <Mez> Cannot join #ubuntu-motu (You are banned).
[04:46] <Lathiat> .. no u werent?
[04:46] <Lathiat> when?
[04:46] <Mez> just now
[04:46] <Lathiat> i see  your cloaked now
[04:46] <ajmitch> noone banned you or did anything
[04:46] <ajmitch> check the ban list
[04:46] <Lathiat> maybe theres a ban on your isp
[04:46] <Lathiat> for some luser ;p
[04:47] <ajmitch> probably
[04:47] <Mez> yeah
[04:47] <Lathiat> ;p
[04:47] <Mez> there is a ban on my ISP
[04:47] <Mez> o_O
[04:47] <ajmitch> oh well
[04:47] <Mez> that's annoying
[04:47] <ajmitch> you'll live
[04:48] <Mez> I'm glad I have the host
[04:48] <Mez> wonder who banned me
[04:51] <ajmitch> I doubt it was against you
[04:51] <bddebian> They must have seen you over in #d-d.. ;-P
[04:51] <Lathiat> i can tell its not
[04:51] <Lathiat> theres one on *!*i=duud@*.... as well
[04:51] <Lathiat> so someone tried something more specific and they kept coming back i guess
[04:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: they haven't banned you from there yet
[04:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: Surprisingly no :-)
[04:54] <Lathiat> ..
[04:54] <Lathiat> shouldnt we be bannign you from here? :)
[04:54] <Lathiat> you DEBIAN USER YOU
[04:54] <Lathiat> you are evil
[04:54] <bddebian> Yeah probably :-)
[04:54] <ajmitch> ban me as well?
[04:54] <Lathiat> may as well be a gentoo user!
[04:54] <Lathiat> that debian.. sheesh its just crap
[04:55] <ajmitch> Lathiat: don't worry, he really runs the hurd
[04:55] <bddebian> On 5 of my machines, yes
[04:55] <Lathiat> ...
[04:55] <Lathiat> really?
[04:55] <bddebian> Yes
[04:56] <minghua> we are starting banning debian users :-)
[04:56] <minghua> ?
[04:56] <Lathiat> minghua: of course, they all must DIE!
[04:56] <Lathiat> i should have said that at the debian miniconf
[04:56] <Lathiat> DIE DEBIAN USERS DIE DIE DIE
[04:56] <Lathiat> would have been received well i suspect
[04:57] <Lathiat> whats this about a new orange theme
[04:57] <Lathiat> i suppose i should try flight5 w/gnome
[04:57] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:58] <ajmitch> you'll want to gouge your eyes out
[04:58] <Lathiat> really?
[04:58] <minghua> it's not that bad...
[04:58] <Lathiat> i was hoping it'd be better
[04:58] <ajmitch> minghua: I wanted to :)
[04:58] <Lathiat> that said, i wasn't overly .. unfond? .. of the brown
[04:58] <Lathiat> and i mean, it is token
[04:58] <Lathiat> you see ubuntu and you know its ubuntu
[04:58] <Lathiat> its th eonly color left ;p
[04:59] <ajmitch> heh
[04:59] <Lathiat> you see, thats 30% of the reason im a kubuntu user :)
[04:59] <bddebian> "and don't ya make my brown eyes blue"..
[05:01] <hub> hey
[05:02] <Mez> hola Mr Figuiere
[05:05] <LaserJock> I've kinda grown fond of the brown, but I don't really care anymore. I haven't really seen X for a while now.
[05:08] <minghua> LaserJock: wow.  I always see X, although sometimes I just have a dozen of gnome-terminal winodws open
[05:11] <LaserJock> minghua: I live in chroots and ssh to everything
[05:12] <astronut> what's the status of 33395?
[05:13] <minghua> LaserJock: I see
[05:13] <LaserJock> astronut: malone 33395?
[05:13] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33395 in graphmonkey "UVF Exception: 1.3 -> 1.5" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33395
[05:13] <astronut> yes
[05:13] <astronut> there was a green light for upload almost a week ago
[05:13] <astronut> when will it happen?
[05:15] <LaserJock> astronut: when it happens, more or less. syncs are a little problematic right now
[05:16] <minghua> LaserJock: If I were you, I'll just upload fakesyncs
[05:16] <astronut> ok
[05:16] <astronut> other than launchpad is non-free :-P
[05:16] <LaserJock> astronut: don't worry we don't really know that much either
[05:17] <astronut> LaserJock: lol
[05:18] <ajmitch> don't worry, it'll get uploaded
[05:18] <LaserJock> astronut: the current situation is the syncing through Launchpad isn't working. So as an alternative we can "Fakesync" it
[05:19] <astronut> what's that?
[05:19] <astronut> snycing = bugs or packages?
[05:21] <LaserJock> we would upload the sync from Debian X version as Xbuild1 thereby avoiding the normal sync process, at least that is how I understand it
[05:21] <astronut> but never mind
[05:21] <astronut> as long as it will be uploaded, i'm cool
[05:22] <ajmitch> sync means getting the same source debian has, without modifications
[05:22] <LaserJock> sync means we take the current Debian package
[05:22] <LaserJock> astronut: sorry for the Ubuntuese
[05:22] <astronut> np
[05:22] <astronut> i figured
[05:23] <astronut> but wans't sure if you meant on package or distro level
[05:24] <Lathiat> oh syncing is actually broken?
[05:24] <Lathiat> i wondered what all these fakesyncs were
[05:24] <astronut> fakesync = ?
[05:25] <sistpoty> Lathiat: yes, since soyuz no more syncs have been processed... did you read my mail to ubuntu-motu ml?
[05:25] <LaserJock> astronut: what we were just talking about
[05:25] <astronut> oh, i see
[05:25] <Lathiat> sistpoty: must have missed it
[05:26] <LaserJock> astronut: normally syncs are done by the ftp master but we are trying to move to using Launchpad
[05:26] <sistpoty> well, we *are* using LP right now... but syncs doesn't seem to function properly yet ;)
[05:29] <LaserJock> well, yeah. that is what I meant.
[05:41] <ajmitch> yay, the dapper delays hit slashdot
[05:44] <LaserJock> the ubuntuforums thread is up to 19 pages so far
[05:45] <bmonty> how do you have time to look at the forums? :)
[05:45] <Lathiat> "April 14th"
[05:46] <Lathiat> (slashdot)
[05:46] <Lathiat> is that right?
[05:52] <dolson> Lathiat: lol
[05:54] <bmonty> Lathiat: first post under the article corrects the date
[05:54] <minghua> slashdot still hasn't correct the date yet?  shame on them
[05:55] <Lathiat> heh
[05:55] <ajmitch> minghua: it's slashdot, what do you expect? editorial accuracy?
[05:55] <astronut> do they ever?
[05:55] <ajmitch> rarely
[05:56] <LaserJock> bmonty: I wanted to see what they said about the release push. Other then that, I wouldn't have  ;-)
[05:57] <minghua> well, I've been seeing them correct factual errors once in a while
[05:57] <bmonty> they should correct the date....eventually
[05:57] <minghua> but I suppose ajmitch is generally right
[05:57] <bmonty> we could all send them an email to that effect
[05:58] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[05:58] <bmonty> hey bddebian, whats up!
[05:58] <bddebian> Not much man.  You?
[05:59] <bmonty> currently sitting in a hotel room in California, other than mostly work
[05:59] <bmonty> and learning how to be a dad :)
[05:59] <astronut> bmonty: spoil your kids!
[06:00] <bmonty> astronut: don't worry he is
[06:01] <bddebian> bmonty: Awesome.  Where in Cali?
[06:02] <bmonty> bddebian: San Jose
[06:02] <bddebian> Ah
[06:02] <bmonty> thankfully I'm going home tomorrow morning
[06:02] <bddebian> :-)
[06:05] <bddebian> Gnight folks, good to "see" you all again
[06:05] <bmonty> bye bddebian....stop by a little more often!
[06:06] <sistpoty> cya bddebian
[06:06] <bddebian> Aye, I will :-)
[06:18] <LaserJock> cool, made my first upload
[06:19] <bmonty> congrats :)
[06:20] <minghua> yeah, congrats :-)
[06:20] <LaserJock> well, it was a sponsor for a rebuild but at least I know my dput works ;-)
[06:20] <bmonty> LaserJock: and it doesn't even have your name on it
[06:21] <LaserJock> nope, that way they can't trace it back to me if it doesn't work ;-)
[06:21] <bmonty> minghua: BTW, the fakesync for m17n-db is in the archive now
[06:21] <bmonty> LaserJock: ummm..yes they can
[06:21] <bmonty> your key signed the upload
[06:22] <minghua> bmonty: yeah, saw that in dapper-changes
[06:22] <minghua> bmonty: unfortunatly I know as much Tamil as you do, so can't properly test ;-)
[06:22] <LaserJock> yeah, I know
[06:23] <bmonty> minghua: ok, so what other work needs to be done with those packages?
[06:24] <LaserJock> minghua: btw, just got an email from the guy taking over scilab. He says he will be uploading 4.0 soon
[06:24] <minghua> bmonty: ping the bug report to confirm it still works and fixes the problem, I suppose, but I'll do that
[06:24] <minghua> good night sistpoty
[06:25] <bmonty> night sistpoty
[06:25] <bmonty> minghua: he should have gotten a ping when I closed the bug
[06:25] <LaserJock> doh, everybody leaves too suddenly. I never get to say goodby :(
[06:26] <bmonty> minghua: let me know if I can help out with those packages....I can't do a whole lot of testing, but I'll work the other issues
[06:26] <minghua> LaserJock: you say hello when they join, so that compensates :-)
[06:26] <LaserJock> hmm, ok. maybe you have a point
[06:27] <minghua> bmonty: that's great.  I really appreciate your help on scim stuff
[06:27] <bmonty> LaserJock: you just aren't a KeyboardJock yet :)
[06:29] <LaserJock> I guess
[06:30] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get to bed. I think I'll try to start doing syncs tomorrow. I hate having to Fakesync but we should really get a chance to do any bug fixing before release
[06:31] <bmonty> LaserJock: once I get off this trip, I want to finish my syncs and start cracking at unmet deps
[06:33] <bmonty> good night everyone
[06:40] <dolson> what the crap, I didn't put the battery state applet on my GNOME panel!
[06:40] <dolson> oh, that's the trash can...
[06:45] <minghua> lol
[06:47] <shawn_home> hmm, do we have xvidcap/gvidcap in universe/multiverse?
[06:50] <dolson> shawn_home: no
[06:51] <dolson> shawn_home: not on my system anyhow... :(
[06:51] <shawn_home> hmm
[06:52] <shawn_home> its a messy package with ffmpeg
[08:09] <retrix> hi, im wondering if a motu could have a look at a package (ndisgtk) thats been sitting in revu since december ... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1175
[08:09] <retrix> it fixes a bug that has affected some kubuntu users
[08:13] <minghua> retrix: is this bug reported in malone?
[08:15] <retrix> yes, #31904
[08:17] <minghua> bug #31904
[08:17] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31904 in ndisgtk "ndisgtk dependencies incomplete - fails to start when gnome is not installed" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31904
[08:19] <minghua> retrix: would you please paste your patch to that bug report as well?
[08:19] <minghua> retrix: or by "updated version" you mean a new upstream version?
[08:19] <retrix> minghua, its a new upstream version (ive also put in support for i18n)
[08:21] <minghua> retrix: Hmm, that's a little hard.  We are in upstream version freeze right now, please read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html and follow the instructions there
[08:22] <minghua> retrix: you don't need to file a new bug though, the current bug can be used for that
[08:23] <retrix> ok thanks minghua
[08:23] <minghua> you are welcome
[08:25] <Lathiat> off to install flight5
[08:47] <Lathiat> ok, yes , im sorry, the new theme sucks
[08:47] <desrt> :)
[08:47] <Lathiat> ajmitch: got a spoon to gouge my eyes with?
[08:47] <Lathiat> the buttons being wider than higher sucks
[08:47] <Lathiat> as does the new progress bar look
[08:47] <Lathiat> if the orange was toned down a bit it'd probably look ok
[08:48] <Lathiat> except itd probably turn rbown ;p
[08:48] <Lathiat> *turn brown
[08:48] <Lathiat> also the inactive button color
[08:48] <Lathiat> it has an orang eborder, eww :)
[08:48] <Lathiat> i cant type
[08:48] <Lathiat> as usual
[08:50] <Lathiat> just a quick poll
[08:50] <Lathiat> does anyone use gnome-terminal in black on white
[08:50] <Lathiat> also who doesnt turn the menubar off?
[08:50] <Lathiat> (not looking for a flamewar.. just curious :)
[08:51] <desrt> i agree  with you on both counts
[08:51] <Lathiat> well i mean
[08:51] <Lathiat> i turn it to white on black
[08:51] <Lathiat> adn turn the menu bar off
[08:51] <Lathiat> what do you do?
[08:51] <desrt> i turn it to grey on black, menu bars off, slightly transparent
[08:52] <desrt> but i make the grey a bit brighter
[08:52] <Lathiat> i used to use transparency
[08:52] <Lathiat> but its too slow
[08:52] <Lathiat> hrm
[08:52] <desrt> it's a lot better these days
[08:52] <Lathiat> gray on black
[08:52] <Lathiat> not so bad
[08:52] <Lathiat> ARGH
[08:52] <Lathiat> the irssi+screen+gnome-terminal bug
[08:52] <desrt> ya
[08:52] <desrt> fucking christ
[08:52] <Lathiat> this is 30% more of the reason i dont use gnome
[08:52] <desrt> THAT BUG
[08:52] <desrt> it's SO ANNOYING
[08:52] <Lathiat> like, really
[08:52] <desrt> and nobody knows what the hell causes it
[08:53] <Lathiat> nope
[08:53] <Lathiat> i tried to figure it out once
[08:53] <desrt> i've tried more than once
[08:53] <desrt> someone needs to bounty that
[08:53] <Lathiat> hell
[08:53] <Lathiat> i'll put 100AUD in
[08:53] <ajmitch> desrt: it's why I never use gnome-terminal, ever
[08:53] <minghua> Lathiat: I user black on white, with menu bar on (which is the default)
[08:54] <Lathiat> minghua: ok
[08:54] <ajmitch> it would cause me to throw my laptop across the room
[08:54] <Lathiat> yes
[08:54] <Lathiat> so
[08:54] <Lathiat> konsole works fine. ;p
[08:54] <ajmitch> konsole is ugly
[08:54] <Lathiat> one of the things konsole does that g-t doesnt
[08:54] <Lathiat> is it ignores alt+presses
[08:54] <Lathiat> for the menus
[08:54] <Lathiat> and actuallyu terminals it
[08:54] <Lathiat> its why i turn the menubar off in gnome-terminal
[08:54] <Lathiat> in konsole i just leave it on
[08:54] <Lathiat> because it doesnt get in the way
[08:54] <ajmitch> which any terminal should
[08:54] <Lathiat> the other thing is
[08:55] <Lathiat> if i cant double click or right click a URL to open it
[08:55] <Lathiat> i go insane
[08:55] <Lathiat> thats why i use gnome-terminal on gnome
[08:55] <minghua> Lathiat: when you know where to donate for that irssi+screen+gnome-terminal bug, tell me and I'll chip in US$50
[08:55] <Lathiat> on kde i could use mrxvt because klipper does the whole double click -> do an action cus its now in the clipboard thing
[08:55] <Lathiat> but on kde, konsole is fine and i can use the same thign with it :)
[08:55] <Lathiat> i'd use mrxvt otherwise
[08:55] <Lathiat> closest thing
[08:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch: what do you use?
[08:56] <ajmitch> pterm
[08:56] <ajmitch> ugly, but functional
[08:56] <Lathiat> eww
[08:56] <ajmitch> gtk+ 1!
[08:58] <Lathiat> also this gdm bug
[08:58] <ajmitch> so I wonder if fans are dead in this broken box here
[08:58] <Lathiat> where on dual head it doesnt focus gdm is annoying
[08:58] <ajmitch> since it has a nasty sound when I turn it on
[08:58] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[08:58] <ajmitch> where you have to move the mouse to focus it?
[08:58] <Lathiat> wow, drag selecting around the desktop isnt really slow anymore
[08:58] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh
[08:58] <Lathiat> i filed a bug somewhere on that
[08:59] <Lathiat> also the notifications dont respect xinerama
[08:59] <ajmitch> selecting used to be crap
[08:59] <Lathiat> yeh ti flies now
[08:59] <Lathiat> i can move the mouse aroudn real fast
[08:59] <Lathiat> all over the joint
[08:59] <Lathiat> and not notice
[08:59] <Lathiat> impressive
[08:59] <Lathiat> lol
[08:59] <Lathiat> mdzzz.ogg
[09:00] <ajmitch> huh?
[09:00] <Lathiat> on install
[09:00] <Lathiat> i get this Examples folder
[09:00] <Lathiat> and it has a video of mdz waking up
[09:00] <Lathiat> called mdzzz.og
[09:00] <Lathiat> flight-5 install
[09:00] <minghua> in example-content package
[09:00] <Lathiat> hrm no visualization in totem
[09:00] <Lathiat> seems not to have a default visualization selected
[09:01] <Lathiat> in fact i set it and it still doesnt work
[09:01] <Lathiat> odd
[09:01] <Lathiat> oh no there it goes
[09:01] <ajmitch> it's not the debconf mdz & co with a guitar?
[09:01] <Lathiat> im glad i've remembered the launchpad ubuntu filebug url
[09:01] <Lathiat> ajmitch: nope
[09:01] <Lathiat> i want that
[09:01] <ajmitch> yeah
[09:01] <Lathiat> its the most user friendly way to get to the bug filing page
[09:02] <Lathiat> so on first login
[09:02] <Lathiat> it should open totem playing that example song
[09:02] <robitaille> I wonder if mdzzz.ogg will be available after  the release :)
[09:04] <Lathiat> hrm gnome needs to be able to have a wall paper disaplay once on both xinerama screens and not stretch
[09:04] <ajmitch> ah, poor mdz
[09:07] <Lathiat> where would icons for oo files be?
[09:07] <Lathiat> .odg (draw) files are missing icons
[09:07] <Lathiat> e.g. what package do i file against
[09:07] <ajmitch> openoffice.org ?
[09:07] <ajmitch> dunno, actually
[09:08] <Lathiat> well i was wondering
[09:08] <Lathiat> if the icons in oo.o
[09:08] <Lathiat> ubuntu-artwork
[09:08] <Lathiat> or somethign else
[09:08] <ajmitch> file against ubuntu-artwork
[09:08] <ajmitch> seb can get on hating you if it's wrong
[09:08] <Lathiat> might get attention there
[09:08] <Lathiat> ;p
[09:32] <Lathiat> ugh tryign to importm y mp3 collection into RB and it just crashes too much
[10:28] <Lathiat> might be a 64bit issues or something
[10:28] <Lathiat> it used to be fine
[11:59] <zakame> hi all
[11:59] <dolson> wow, gnaural has to get into dapper+1
[12:01] <dolson> hi zakame
[12:01] <dolson> this is a weird app..
[12:02] <zakame> heya dolson , what's hacking?
[12:03] <dolson> nothing, I'm just listening to binaural waves in gnaural, and it's wacked. after about 2 minutes I had some weird sensation of immediate, temporary dizziness, for about 2 seconds, and it comes on every once in a while.. very strange stuff
[12:04] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[12:04] <dolson> hi Toadstool
[12:06] <zakame> hello Toadstool
[12:06] <zakame> dolson: whoa
[12:07] <dolson> zakame: yes, it's very weird.. they have a deb that just works(tm) on dapper
[12:08] <dolson> I can't find any presets for it though
[12:08] <dolson> there are other apps (proprietary) with user-contributed presets for various states of mind and such
[12:10] <dolson> oooook, enough of that. lol
[12:10] <dolson> my head started wobbling
[12:11] <Toadstool> :)
[12:17] <dolson> oi. according to Adobe Audition's disclaimer, this kinda thing can induce seizures and death
[12:17] <zakame> hmmm...
[12:17] <zakame> reminded me of Mars Attacks
[12:26] <dolson> I'm feeling sleepy.. night all
[01:00] <sivang> hi all
[02:09] <Lathiat> hrm
[02:09] <Lathiat> im getting alot of gcc segfaults
[02:09] <Lathiat> is it particularly problematic on amd64?
[02:09] <Lathiat> hope theres nothign wrong with my system :\ hrm
[02:09] <Lathiat> nothing else seems tobe having issues tho
[02:17] <cassidy> Is there any MOTU uploader around ?
[02:19] <Lathiat> whats up?
[02:21] <freeflying-ibook> cassidy: hi
[02:22] <cassidy> freeflying-ibook: hi. Could you consider to sync flashplugin-nonfree with Debian
[02:22] <cassidy> freeflying-ibook: see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/29214
[02:22] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29214 in Baltix "package is falulty in downloading the binary" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[02:22] <cassidy> freeflying-ibook: it's a *very* annoying bug. The package is currently not usable
[02:22] <freeflying-ibook> cassidy: for sync , you may ask elmo
[02:23] <cassidy> humm he's not here :\
[02:24] <tseng> a sync is still not possible aiui with the new launchpad build system
[02:24] <tseng> and we are in freeze anyway
[02:24] <cassidy> i know but freeze something that doesn't work is not very useful :)
[02:25] <slomo> siretart: ping?
[02:25] <netzmeister> pong
[02:40] <ogra_> cassidy, make a diff between the two packages, find the code that fixes it in our package (and only this), file a bug and attach the diff to that bug, i'm pretty sure its only a one liner (different download location)
[02:41] <cassidy> ogra_: no the script was entirely rewritten in bash
[02:41] <ogra_> cassidy, thats bad
[02:42] <cassidy> i really don't understand why it's a problem. the current package is completely broken, it can't be worst !
[02:42] <ogra_> if you want a sync the requires a bunch of bureocracy to get a freeze exception
[02:42] <ogra_> and i'm pretty sure it didnt just change yesterday
[02:43] <cassidy> ogra_: i'm ok to fill the forms ;)
[02:43] <cassidy> the package is broken since a lot of time
[02:44] <cassidy> ogra_: what's the procedure ?
[02:55] <ogra_> cassidy, ugh ....
[02:55] <ogra_> thats a heavy change
[02:55] <ogra_> they didnt only change the script, but the whole implementation
[02:56] <cassidy> ogra_: yes i know. the old implementation was completely buggy
[02:56] <ogra_> even if its nice that they dropped the ruby crap, its simply a completely new packge ...
[02:57] <cassidy> yes know. But we can't lost anything since the current package doesn't work at all !
[02:57] <cassidy> IMHO it's more interesting to have a package that could work than one than we're sure it doesn't :)
[02:58] <ogra_> the procedure is described on the ubuntu-motu ML anywhere, look at the list archives ... but its really really late ... sad that nobody pointed out that stuff 4 weeks ago
[02:59] <ogra_> (it generates a lot of work for several people that dont have time now, because it has to be reviewed)
[02:59] <cassidy> the bug is old but the fix in Debian recent
[02:59] <cassidy> i will look for that. thanks
[03:03] <cassidy> ogra_:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-January/000177.html this one ?
[03:04] <siretart> slomo: pong (but im in learning mode)
[03:04] <ogra_> cassidy, yep
[03:08] <slomo> siretart: please set uvf-exception bugreports to need info only when some of the stuff isn't attached or wrong... and to unconfirmed when everything is in place and we only have to decide whether we want this or not :)
[03:11] <siretart> slomo: oh, I did something wrong with some report?
[03:11] <siretart> sorryt
[03:12] <slomo> siretart: yes... but i guess we all did :) don't worry
[03:13] <siretart> ok
[03:14] <siretart> ok, hwinfo approved. uploading that
[03:14] <slomo> siretart: will we get the new wpasupplicant from debian with the qt stuff splitted off for dapper? i guess when we have 6 more weeks the new network-manager with wpa support could get in and it would be bad to have qt installed together with it :)
[03:15] <siretart> slomo: we would just need to sync the current debian package
[03:15] <siretart> slomo: so if you really care, just fakesync/merge the current debian package, I'm using it without problems on my laptop
[03:16] <slomo> siretart: ok... thanks... i'll do it then :)
[03:19] <ogra_> siretart, slomo (and other germans) there is a TV report about ubuntu/edubuntu on 3sat at 2am tonight (in case you are awake and have a TV)
[03:19] <ogra_> :)
[03:20] <slomo> ogra_: oh... did they interview you? :)
[03:20] <siretart> ogra_: ah, interesting. thanks for info
[03:20] <ogra_> naaah
[03:20] <ogra_> just cebit stuff
[03:20] <ogra_> http://www.3sat.de/3sat.php?http://www.3sat.de/neues/sendungen/spezial/89716/index.html
[03:21] <ogra_> it was already sent friday (i missed it)
[03:21] <siretart> ogra_: you are in hanover?
[03:21] <ogra_> woulde be cool if someone could make an ogg of it :)
[03:22] <ogra_> siretart, i was born in hannover and know when not to go there ;)
[03:22] <ogra_> (as long as i dont need i wont go there during CeBIT) :)
[03:22] <siretart> ah :)
[03:23] <ogra_> its the time of year where you cant easily get from A to B and i likle to visit friends if i'm home :)
[03:25] <siretart> i see. I could have imagined that canonical/edubuntu would have some booth there
[03:25] <ogra_> it has
[03:25] <jsgotangco> hey ogra_ how's life treating you :)
[03:26] <ogra_> thus the report
[03:26] <ogra_> jsgotangco, slacking around ...
[03:26] <ogra_> its sunday :)
[03:26] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:28] <ogra_> siretart, we have the fair team form ubuntu-de-ev, they are present there together with mdy from canonical
[03:32] <siretart> gnarf. no uploads from here
[03:33] <siretart> back to learn mode
[04:12] <freeflying-ibook> Can i delete the bug I filed , because I filed it  to a wrong distro .
[04:17] <lucas> hi
[04:18] <freeflying-ibook> hey lucas
[08:04] <bddebian> Hey gang
[08:05] <dolson> hey bddebian
[08:11] <bddebian> Do we have a wiki on setting up a buildd at all?
[08:35] <mitsuhiko> moin
[08:35] <mitsuhiko> because of this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/34606/
[08:35] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34606 in Nexenta OS "Administrator root password readable in cleartext on Breezy" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[08:36] <mitsuhiko> why not an "delete this stupid file" postinst maintainer script in an package updated next time?
[09:01] <Dominus> am I the only one who is having difficulty with OpenGL on an i810 chipset?
[09:01] <Dominus> (clarify: Intel imbeded graphics driver 855)
[09:02] <bddebian> Dominus: Probably not :-)
[09:02] <bddebian> Is xubuntu using archive.ubuntu.com or do they have their own repo?
[09:03] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes the packages are in the main repository
[09:03] <bddebian> Ah
[09:04] <Dominus> bddebian: yeah, it seems like there's a whole list of problems with Intel graphics drivers
[09:05] <Dominus> bddebian (or anyone): is the Intel Linux graphics driver (from their website) integrated in the kernel or any distros?
[09:05] <Dominus> ...or are there licensing problems with that?
[09:05] <bddebian> Dominus: I don't know, sorry
[09:06] <ajmitch> Dominus: definite licensing problems
[09:06] <Dominus> bddebian: no problem, I'm curious if anyone's tried installing it
[09:08] <Dominus> ajmitch: really? on my 855 anything OpenGL is cut off, shrunken, or somehow distorted - like there's a resolution conflict or something
[09:08] <Dominus> ....otherwise the graphics card works great
[09:10] <Dominus> and, of course, if I knew the first thing about OpenGL or driver programming I'd dive in with make and fix it myself ;)
[09:17] <phanatic> hi people
[09:22] <Gervystar> Dominus: my 855GM doesn't work at all anymore
[09:23] <Gervystar> Dominus: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-i810/+bug/29880
[09:23] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29880 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 "X hangs and doesn't release the console" [Critical,Confirmed] 
[09:28] <Dominus> Gervystar: thanks
[09:32] <Dominus> well, it's good to know now - I just gave a dist-upgrade order on Breezy!
[09:34] <Gervystar> Dominus: i'm using vesa (arghh) actually ;-/
[09:35] <Dominus> Gervystar: well, it's no surprise - I've had nothing but trouble with the i810 chipset
[09:36] <Dominus> Gervystar: I had to dump Debian sarge because I couldn't get the sound to work
[09:36] <Gervystar> Dominus: well with breezy it worked out of the box, instead
[09:36] <Dominus> Gervystar: that's why I've stuck with Ubuntu :D
[09:51] <vrln> is universe already frozen as in regarding new packages? I was just wondering if there are any plans to add BMPx to universe. It would be a good app for showing all the cairo etc stuff, and it's already a lot better in almost every way than the old bmp
[09:51] <vrln> (http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/BMPx_Homepage)
[09:51] <ajmitch> yes, it's frozen for new packages
[09:51] <vrln> ah, ok, nevermind then :)
[09:57] <Dominus> oh, something's always made me wonder about apt: it downloads and installs packages in two separate processes
[09:58] <Dominus> what is the reason why, say when dist-upgrading, it doesn't start installing packages whilst waiting for others to download?
[10:08] <Erlang> Dominus: why would it do that?
[10:23] <Dominus> Erlang: because downloading, to my understanding, doesn't use a whole lot of the processor, so it could use the spare cycles getting started on the work
[10:24] <Erlang> okay
[10:25] <Erlang> Dominus: my understading of apt is limited, but I think at many points, it will need to wait for a download to complete before installing further applications, right?
[10:30] <Dominus> Erlang: I probably know less about apt than you do.  Understandably, the computer can process faster than it can download, obviously
[10:31] <Dominus> Erlang: but if it, say, has 200 packages to download (say at around 400 megs), wouldn't it make sense to install each package (keeping dependencies in mind)...
[10:31] <Dominus> ... as it finishes downloading rather than waiting for all 200 to download then starting?
[10:32] <Dominus> from what i understand of apt, which admittedly is very little, it strikes me as better use of the system's resources
[10:32] <philuk86> slomo are you there?
[10:33] <slomo_> philuk86: yes
[10:34] <Erlang> Dominus: yes, it seems to make sense to mee too, but I'm not sure it would save that much time.
[10:35] <philuk86> slomo_: would it be posible for gstreamer-0.10-bad to add an mp3 profile to gconf?
[10:35] <Dominus> Erlang: I agree, it only makes sense if you run something like > apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:36] <Erlang> and one don't run dist-upgrade very much.  I suppose that is why that was never implemented.
[10:36] <Dominus> Erlang: perhaps
[10:36] <slomo_> philuk86: you mean ugly-multiverse?
[10:36] <Dominus> Erlang: or if you decide to install a new piece of software with a lot of dependencies
[10:36] <Dominus> Erlang: anyway, it was just a thought
[10:37] <kandinski> hey
[10:38] <philuk86> slomo_: yes sorry. I distributed some ubuntu cds recently and quite a few people have asked about how to rip cds into mp3s. They don't understand how to add their own profile for that.
[10:38] <Erlang> Dominus: what if a networks shortage happens during the dist-upgrade, if downloading things in parallel?
[10:39] <Dominus> Erlang: that's what I was thinking, which is apt would have to install the dependencies first
[10:40] <Dominus> Erlang: but the assumption is that once someone runs apt-get, they'll want the whole thing installed
[10:40] <Erlang> There might be a corner-case where using your method might break things horribly ;D
[10:41] <Erlang> knowledgeable Debian developers would find one I'm sure...
[10:41] <slomo_> philuk86: well, i'll take a look at it tomorrow... should be fairly easy... what pipeline would you want?
[10:41] <philuk86> slomo_: I think if it was added for them when they installed the *-ugly package then it would make the experience much more enjoyable.
[10:41] <Dominus> Erlang: oh, probably - hence the question :D - it just struck me as interesting
[10:41] <Erlang> Dominus: when I think [feature]  would be nice, I always try to think why it's not already implemented...
[10:41] <Erlang> Dominus: it is interresting.
[10:42] <Dominus> Erlang: well, let's say that, out of 200 packages, only 100 dependencies installed
[10:42] <Dominus> Erlang: could the 100 other packages sitting on top of that break?
[10:43] <Erlang> I don't see how.
[10:43] <philuk86> slomo_: please see http://pastebin.com/598591
[10:43] <Dominus> Erlang: neither do I
[10:44] <slomo_> philuk86: no id3mux?
[10:44] <philuk86> slomo_: im not aware of what that is
[10:45] <slomo_> philuk86: it's needed for adding tags to the file
[10:56] <philuk86> slomo_: you mean artist info and such? im not aware how to add that, there isnt much on google or on the forums about id3mux.
[10:57] <slomo_> philuk86: i'm not sure how exactly it works... but "audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc ! id3mux" is the pipeline that the sound-juicer author recommends for mp3s
[10:58] <philuk86> slomo_: ok let me test that pipeline.
[11:06] <philuk86> slomo_: works fine here, all the artist info etc is added on both of the cds i tried.
[11:07] <slomo_> philuk86: nice... i'll add it to the package then... should be fairly easy by installing a new schema
[11:07] <slomo_> philuk86: but tomorrow, not today :P
[11:07] <philuk86> slomo_: I and my friends will greatly appreciate it thanks.
[11:29] <LaserJock> hello everybody
[11:29] <phanatic> hi LaserJock
[11:30] <LaserJock> hi phanatic
[11:30] <Mongoose> hey
[11:31] <LaserJock> hi Mongoose
[11:37] <LaserJock> >:(  My first upload to universe didn't build
[11:37] <Mongoose> woah
[11:38] <Mongoose> well, I found some 64bit bugs in an app  =)
[11:38] <Mongoose> that should have been fixed when I fixed the stable version
[11:38] <mgalvin> there used to be 'moin' package but it seems to be gone... only moinmoin-common is available, is this the correct package? it seems weird that there is a moinmoin-common but no moin
[11:44] <netzmeister_> hi everybody..
[11:44] <LaserJock> hi netzmeister_
[11:44] <netzmeister_> hi LaserJock
[11:44] <phanatic> hi netzmeister_
[11:45] <netzmeister_> Have anyone experience with Kernel Module Development?
[11:45] <netzmeister_> hi phanatic
[11:45] <LaserJock> anybody running Gnome in Dapper at the moment?
[11:45] <netzmeister_> yes
[11:46] <phanatic> yeah
[11:46] <LaserJock> are you guys in -devel? can you confirm a quick bug?
[11:46] <phanatic> not there...
[11:47] <LaserJock> "system->admin->disks, click partitions, click browse.  Make a file, see if it was made by root or your use"
[11:47] <netzmeister_> k
[11:50] <phanatic> LaserJock: root
[11:50] <netzmeister_> LaserJock:  Yes, root
[11:50] <netzmeister_> ;-)
[11:50] <LaserJock> ok, thanks guys
[11:50] <netzmeister_> Have anyone experience with Kernel Module Development?
[11:51] <LaserJock> YokoZar: I'll confirm the bug then.
[11:51] <YokoZar> Thanks everyone
[11:52] <YokoZar> Tag it serious and security too
[11:57] <LaserJock> YokoZar: ok, we've poked seb128. Hopefully he can get it fixed before release.
[11:57] <YokoZar> Sweet
[12:01] <Psi-Jack> Hey, anyone here know what version of gcc the breezy kernel-images are compiled with?