[08:34] <konfuzed> hey there, can any one tell me if this is true http://digg.com/linux_unix/Administrator_root_password_readable_in_cleartext_on_Ubuntu_Breezy
[08:37] <Burgundavia> konfuzed: yes it is and it has been fixed
[08:37] <Burgundavia> konfuzed: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-262-1
[08:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: you're on planet! ;)
[09:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: :)
[04:19] (jsgotangco/#edubuntu) but even people in a mission need to rest
[04:19] (jsgotangco/#edubuntu) ciao
[04:21] <ogra> ciao 
[04:53] <Petaris> ogra: ping
[04:53] <ogra> Petaris, pong
[04:53] <Petaris> Does that flight 5 cd have the ltsp stuff?
[04:54] <Petaris> I'm think I am going to try to rebuild that server today
[04:54] <Petaris> Its a snowday so no teachers/students
[04:54] <ogra> sure, all isos have the ltsp stuff 
[04:55] <Petaris> ok, anything broken/not implemented yet that I should know about?
[04:55] <ogra> ppc has some issues ...
[04:55] <Petaris> Should I ust the x86_64 install?
[04:55] <ogra> so if you run a ppc server with ppc clients, you need to run ltsp-update-kernels post install
[04:55] <Petaris> dual opteron server w/ x86 clients
[04:55] <ogra> you want x86 clients ? 
[04:56] <Petaris> ?
[04:56] <ogra> then you need some manual work afterwards ... we can only install a amd64 chroot since there are no i386 packages on the CD 
[04:56] <Petaris> ahh
[04:56] <Petaris> So x86 is the way to go for a fast install config?
[04:56] <ogra> so wipe /opt/ltsp/amd64 and run ltsp-build-client --arch i386 
[04:57] <Petaris> oh, so not much work
[04:57] <Petaris> will there be issues with the software?  Openoffice, firefox, etc by doing that?
[04:57] <ogra> thats additional to the https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup 
[04:57] <ogra> flash wont work
[04:58] <Petaris> oh, need flash
[04:58] <ogra> macromedia doesnt offer binarys
[04:58] <Petaris> x86 it is
[04:58] <ogra> you can build a x86 chroot and run firefox from there with dchroot
[04:58] <ogra> but thats a bit of work
[04:59] <Petaris> yeah, I have limited time on this
[04:59] <ogra> chroot != client chroot here
[04:59] <Petaris> it has to be working by tomarrow
[04:59] <ogra> ugh
[04:59] <Petaris> right
[04:59] <ogra> take the i386 build then ...
[04:59] <Petaris> I can do a proper build in the summer after school is out
[05:00] <ogra> not sure if that uses the second CPU though
[05:00] <Petaris> but k12ltsp is having lots of issues and I need to reslove them
[05:00] <ogra> (best to ask in #ubuntu-kernel)
[05:00] <Petaris> ogra: can't I just build the kernel manually?
[05:00] <ogra> i know there are some ways to cheat with an amd64 kernel under i386
[05:00] <ogra> #ubuntu-kernel knows :)
[05:00] <Petaris> right
[05:02] <Petaris> asking now
[05:06] <Petaris> ok, seems it will work
[05:09] <Petaris> grr, why is my download going so slow
[05:36] <Petaris> ogra: Does edubuntu use lvm by default?
[05:37] <ogra> nope, optional 
[05:42] <Petaris> good
[05:42] <Petaris> I wish this iso would download faster
[05:42] <senior> i ll try
[05:42] <ogra> just keep one around in the future and use rsync instead :)
[05:43] <ogra> it will only sync the binary changes
[05:43] <Petaris> right
[05:43] <Petaris> but the one I have is _very_ old
[05:43] <Petaris> its from last summer
[05:43] <Petaris> :/
[05:44] <Petaris> are the downloads capped at the download server?
[05:44] <ogra> ah, yes, that wont gain you anything
[05:44] <ogra> nope
[05:44] <Petaris> hrm
[05:44] <Petaris> and I have 3 Mb here
[05:44] <Petaris> why am I stuck at 74.6 Kb
[05:44] <Petaris> :/
[05:45] <ogra> i have only 786k here... so i cant confirm it works faster
[05:46] <Petaris> hrm
[05:48] <senior> ?
[05:50] <Petaris> senior?
[05:52] <senior> hallo petaris
[05:53] <senior> :/
[05:56] <Petaris> hi
[05:57] <senior> leave
[06:10] <C_J_Pro> On a thin client setup, can each PC still use it's local CD Drives, USB ports, etc?
[06:12] <ogra> not out of the box, no
[06:12] <C_J_Pro> either way, thin clients wouldn't work for my school's systems
[06:13] <C_J_Pro> we need to have about 750 PCs all running off of one server
[06:13] <ogra> 750 ? 
[06:13] <C_J_Pro> actually, school district
[06:13] <ogra> that cant work, unless you have a house to put the server in :)
[06:14] <ogra> i.e. it must be a huuge server
[06:14] <C_J_Pro> I realize that
[06:14] <C_J_Pro> My district is looking into open source alternatives
[06:14] <ogra> 100-128MB per client ...
[06:14] <C_J_Pro> I was thinking about edubuntu
[06:14] <ogra> you will rather need a cluster ... 
[06:14] <C_J_Pro> but any linux would require massive amounts of work to get it satisfactory for my school >_<
[06:15] <ogra> but edubuntu isnt ready for district use yet ...
[06:15] <ogra> its aimed at a single classroom ...
[06:15] <C_J_Pro> ah, ok
[06:15] <ogra> you can easily size it bigger, but a whole district will be a lot of extra work to put in there
[06:16] <C_J_Pro> I should make a ubuntu based distro for district wide use
[06:16] <C_J_Pro> whole lot extra?
[06:16] <ogra> its planned for edubuntu 
[06:16] <C_J_Pro> My school district is insane when it comes to their requirements
[06:16] <ogra> you'll need clustering ... a network wide centralized user management ....
[06:16] <ogra> something that balances the load 
[06:17] <C_J_Pro> I was thinking of a 3 server setup
[06:17] <C_J_Pro> Public server, for website and email
[06:17] <ogra> its all on the TODO for edubuntu at some point
[06:17] <C_J_Pro> Data server, no need for explanation here
[06:17] <C_J_Pro> Private server, User home folders
[06:17] <ogra> but currently we're trying to get the basics *perfect* before we move on to the next size :)
[06:18] <C_J_Pro> btw, here's an idea
[06:18] <C_J_Pro> put in a feature to opt out from installing games during installation
[06:18] <ogra> you can talk to neuralis in #ltsp, he has some experience with openssi clusters with ubuntu ltsp
[06:18] <C_J_Pro> quite a few school districts have problems with students playing games, lol
[06:18] <ogra> games are an essential part of edubuntu 
[06:19] <C_J_Pro> I'm talking about the older agegroup
[06:19] <C_J_Pro> most schools don't utilize games to teach students
[06:19] <ogra> it was requested by all teachers and school admins we had at the edubuntu summit when we made the app selection
[06:19] <C_J_Pro> ah, ok
[06:19] <ogra> i agree that it shouldnt be there for higher grades ...
[06:20] <ogra> but you can easily uninstall them 
[06:20] <C_J_Pro> but the lower grades is where they come in handy
[06:27] <C_J_Pro> Actually, couldn't authentication be done through a MySQL Database for logging in on clients?
[06:27] <ogra> you usually do it through ldap and kerberor
[06:27] <ogra> kerberos
[06:27] <C_J_Pro> ah, ok
[06:40] <Petaris> This is going to be a long day
[06:41] <ogra> whats wrong ? 
[06:41] <Petaris> things are taking longer then expected
[06:42] <Petaris> :/
[06:42] <Petaris> I wish this download would finish
[06:42] <Petaris> and I am waiting for files to finish coping off from the current k12ltsp install
[06:42] <ogra> ah
[06:43] <Petaris> I wonder if ReadNaturally will work under wine
[06:43] <Petaris> I dout it
[06:44] <ogra> its a matter of luck ...
[06:44] <Petaris> yeah
[06:44] <Petaris> otherwise its plan B
[06:44] <Petaris> vmware player
[06:45] <ogra> yep
[06:56] <StR> Hi there..
[06:57] <StR> where can I get a copy of edubutnu drapper?
[06:57] <ogra> see the topic ;)
[06:57] <StR> ok...
[06:58] <ogra> flight 5 was released on the weekend ... its the latest tested alpha release we have ...
[06:58] <StR> ogra: what does LVM mean?
[06:58] <StR> ogra: at the partition stage?
[06:59] <ogra> logical volume manager
[06:59] <StR> ogra: and what is that?
[06:59] <ogra> it sits below your filesystem and makes it possible to add physical volumes (disks) to resize a partition 
[07:00] <ogra> its totally transparent to the user/admin ...
[07:00] <ogra> i.e. if you add a 100GB disk to your machine and have /home on an lvm, you can just add these 100GB to /home easily
[07:00] <StR> IC.... ok.. thanks
[07:01] <ogra>  /home is on a logical volume in this case
[07:01] <StR> how can I see if I downloaded the drapper or the breezu iso?
[07:02] <StR> no... I found it.. sorry
[07:29] <highvoltage> hi!
[07:29] <highvoltage> anyone else had problems connecting to freenode earlier?
[07:29] <Petaris> Hello highvoltage
[07:29] <Petaris> not me
[07:29] <highvoltage> hi Petaris 
[07:30] <ogra> hey highvoltage i have a jabber account i didnt use for about a year ...
[07:31] <highvoltage> ogra: yeah I wanted to contact you over jabber since i couldn't connect to freenode. i get the feeling JaneW had the same problem
[07:32] <highvoltage> pips1: guess what, i can access spock too now :) i think we had some international bandwidth issues this side.
[07:51] <Petaris> darnit this download still isn't done
[07:53] <highvoltage> slow downloads--
[07:53] <Petaris> the dapper iso
[07:53] <Petaris> :/
[07:54] <Petaris> I'm stuck at 54.9 Kb for some reason
[07:55] <littlepaul> ping ogra 
[07:55] <ogra> pong littlepaul 
[07:56] <littlepaul> ogra, need to talk you in your role as an association member :) - just a few minutes #edubuntu-de
[07:56] <ogra> ok
[07:57] <highvoltage> ogra: busy right now?
[07:57] <ogra> highvoltage, got an interview in #edubuntu-de, apart from that no ... :)=
[07:59] <highvoltage> ok, i have nothing urgent, it can wait.
[08:00] <highvoltage> ogra: have you announced flight5 on edubuntu-devel yet? perhaps i just missed it...
[08:00] <highvoltage> ogra: i don't know if many people know that edubuntu flight5 is also available yet
[08:00] <ogra> highvoltage, the changes were to minor, i decided against a separate announcement this time
[08:01] <highvoltage> ok, understandable.
[08:01] <highvoltage> ogra: also, i think we should split edubuntu-devel to have an edubuntu list ast well (normal users list)
[08:01] <highvoltage> i've found that some people don't want to join -devel because either they think it's just for developers,
[08:02] <highvoltage> or they think there'll be too much technical talk on there, and then they don't want to join.
[08:02] <highvoltage> i think an edubuntu list will encourage more people to join.
[08:02] <ogra> i dont think we have enough subscribers to part it yet
[08:02] <ogra> we might rename it though
[08:02] <highvoltage> i think the reason why we don't have lots of subscribers is for that same reason
[08:02] <highvoltage> yes, renaming might be a better idea
[08:03] <highvoltage> then we could split later on, when it gets too big
[08:03] <highvoltage> although, you'll be on the normal list anyway, so there'd be little use for a -devel list :)
[08:03] <highvoltage> i'll bring it up again at the wednesday meeting.
[08:03] <ogra> i've got 60 mailing lists currently ...
[08:04] <ogra> and i'd like to rather lower the number than raise it :)
[08:05] <highvoltage> i've got about the same number.
[08:05] <highvoltage> my problem isn't so much the ammount of mails coming in, but the amount of folders i have in my male client(s)
[08:05] <ogra> for me its both 
[08:06] <ogra> between 400 and 600 mails/day
[08:06] <highvoltage> my mails are more though, it's just over a thousand a day. but i tend to subscribe to way more mailing lists than i can really read.
[08:06] <highvoltage> i like to keep them for reference purposes too.
[08:07] <highvoltage> anyway, /me moves to bed.
[08:07] <highvoltage> thanks ogra, talk to you again...
[08:07] <highvoltage> goodnight!
[08:13] <konfuzed> hhhhmmmmmmm   where do i go to change the desktop theme to soem other buntu theme
[08:18] <ogra> in the theme selector ? 
[08:44] <konfuzed> oh wow there is a theme selector
[08:44] <konfuzed> where do I find that
[08:44] <konfuzed> ooooooooo system preferences theme
[08:45] <konfuzed> would this theme selector include software package changes in the way that the edubuntu theme also has additional education software packages included
[08:46] <konfuzed> if I change my theme from edubuntu to kubuntu, will the educational software be removed
[08:47] <ogra> nope
[08:48] <ogra> and thats not a theme, you install a complete desktop if you use kubuntu 
[08:59] <Petaris> This damn iso still isn't downloaded
[09:19] <tsurc> just read a post on edubuntu-devel >(we use a "booter" machine that just performs the boot
[09:19] <tsurc> > functions and then directs to the appropriate server, running the
[09:19] <tsurc> > Symbiont program with it's easy Webmin interface). 
[09:19] <tsurc> hows this done?
[09:20] <tsurc> still looking for options for load balancing you see.
[09:27] <ogra> ah, i just answered your mail :)
[09:27] <ogra> please dont use ltsp-utils at all with edubuntu :)
[09:27] <ogra> it will surely trash your setup
[09:34] <ogra> about the bootserver stuff, you can just use tftp, dhcp and the nfs root from one machine and log in on another one, you just need to specify the SERVER in lts.conf ...
[09:43] <tsurc> was a standard install. I was just trying to diagnose the problem as per wiki.ltsp.org
[09:44] <ogra> ah...
[09:45] <tsurc> either way sound doesn't work out of my box.... yet ;).
[09:45] <ogra> we use the muecow spec from ltsp.org (in fact we helped developing it) with our own implementation
[09:45] <ogra> did you remove the spaces from the SOUND=Y ?
[09:46] <ogra> getltsconf (the tool that reads the lts.conf) seems to have issues with spaces, i have on my todo list to check that ...
[09:46] <ogra> its the only tool we use from ltsp.org
[09:47] <ogra> oh, or try SOUND=True 
[09:47] <ogra> might be that it doesnt interpret Y as boolean value ...
[09:48] <ogra> [default]        X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
[09:48] <ogra>                 SOUND=True
[09:48] <tsurc> ah..... spot the space...and case
[09:48] <ogra> thats what i used for flight5 testing and it worked fine
[09:49] <tsurc> mine had both spaces and a lower case y
[09:49] <ogra> i'll still have a lot docs to write :)
[09:49] <tsurc> I'll check that out tomorrow. Should brighten my day up if it works.
[09:49] <ogra> but since it looks like we'll delay the release by 6 weeks and edubuntu is on schedule i should have plenty of time to even write books :)
[09:50] <Petaris> ogra: That download _just_ finished
[09:50] <Petaris> looks like the rebuild will have to wait for another day
[09:50] <ogra> if you have an opportunity to come here from work, try that, its way easier to debug via IRC than via mail
[09:50] <tsurc> I'll try it on the spare server we have with dual Gb Nics and bonding then. That'll be good
[09:50] <ogra> Petaris, sad ...
[09:50] <Petaris> ogra: thanks for the help earilier
[09:50] <ogra> Petaris, no problem ... :)
[09:50] <Petaris> I'm off for now
[09:50] <Petaris> later
[09:51] <tsurc> I've tried. I think there is an issue with our school firewall. I'll look into it
[09:52] <tsurc> At least on the mail I can look through and easily search problems and the like
[09:52] <ogra> there are web based clients, but if you cant get through, mail is a good fallback
[09:53] <ogra> this channel is logged, you can easily serach the logs as well :)
[09:53] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[10:01] <tsurc> Oooooo....... new shiny flint. Me happy :)
[10:02] <ogra> you know flint ? 
[10:02] <tsurc> yeh makes fire
[10:02] <ogra> lol
[10:02] <ogra> i thought you mean paul flint :)
[10:02] <tsurc> sorry british humour
[10:02] <ogra> one of our users
[10:03] <ogra> we germans usually cope with that :)
[10:04] <tsurc> My house s like 30mins away from the school and round here its like the film Deliverence
[10:31] <spacey> ogra: having nightmares? :P