[12:03] I disagree really but that's not for me to decide [12:04] anyway, adding partitions is a very advanced task ... [12:04] ogra: I present myself as evidence to the contrary, since I wouldn't have found this bug if it were useless ;) [12:04] user has to use the root mode because that's how things work but the applet should probably follow the principle, do something that has to be done by root and go back to normal user mode [12:04] ogra: true! === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-214-128-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheK [n=KaiL@p548F57DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheK is now known as KaiL === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] jdub: dude [12:40] jdub: ping ping [12:40] jordi: pong pong! :) [12:40] jdub: that was FAST DUDE [12:40] jordi: that list was already created, btw [12:40] jdub: was that between my second ping and now= [12:40] jordi: i think the guy who is pinging you is not the person who requested the list in the first place [12:40] oh. Hmm. [12:41] ok, I'll tell g0sub [12:41] second. I wonder if I should be in planetubuntu. [12:41] hell yeah === vorbote [i=dradul@201.244.229.126] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] want me to put you up? [12:41] and if yes, if you can add my Ubuntutu entry by hand or something [12:41] I guess so [12:42] hrm, it'll probably turn up in the feed [12:42] will it suck all the feed? [12:42] there's anther entry after that one [12:42] on the first go, it only lets in the first two [12:42] oh, the first two [12:42] then it's ok [12:42] DO IT === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.159.169] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] I'll be posting rosetta stuff if I'm in PU I guess. [12:43] and of course, cool news about the Catalan Liberation Front. === nictuku [n=yves@201-24-182-62.bsace706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub would yell out some cry of support, but does not know what to say. "VIVE!" doesn't sound right. although you are a bunch of french gypsies/ [12:44] VISCA!!! would be quite acceptable in Barcelona. [12:45] learn that one for your talks @ guadec [12:45] they will love it [12:45] VISCA EL GNOME! [12:45] that sounds like 'viscerate' === jordi disintegrates Treenaks [12:45] so what is your nick now, jordim, or jordi? [12:45] jordi on feenode [12:45] oh [12:45] jordim on gimpnet, as jordi is taken. [12:45] ok, i will use jordi then [12:46] k [12:46] I'd like it to be jordi everywhere. [12:46] but doing a hostile takeover on gimpnet against one of my liberation front mates is not that cool :) [12:47] we need the nickname thing on planet debian === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] jdub: I don0t see ubuntu-in in the mailman listing at all. what's the list name= [12:50] ? === vorbote [i=dradul@201.244.229.126] has left #ubuntu-devel ["See] [12:52] it's not available until the list admin has a chance to fix it up [12:52] aha [12:53] you can sneak peek if you know the mailman url scheme ;) [12:54] oh [12:54] it does work now [12:54] it didn't before [12:54] I swear [12:54] I know you fixed it. === jordi points at jdub. [12:54] haha [12:54] the unpublished url? [12:55] it was saying "ubuntu-in does not exist" [12:55] now it says it is run by pantless people === theCore [n=alex@Toronto-HSE-ppp3785508.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] jordi: eek, good point. i better change that, or she might not. [12:59] heh === khermans [i=khermans@71.195.199.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d83-176-9-99.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] jdub: so did you add me to planet === dooglus_ [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-214-128-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away === jono [n=jono@88-107-1-69.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] hey [01:39] salut jono [01:40] hey Burgundavia :) [01:40] Burgundavia, hows the writing going? [01:41] jono: working on the community chapter. You? [01:41] I worked on some bits of chap 3 and added some of the reviewer comments - I think my chapter missed some important bits out, so I filled much of it in [01:42] tomorrow I will finish that, merge in the new contributions to chap 7 and then start merging a couple of others together [01:43] jono: are you working full time on the book right now? [01:43] Burgundavia, not full time, but I do work on it a reasonable amount during the day [01:43] you are a lucky man [01:44] Burgundavia, I work as an Open Source evanglist full time so it comes under my remit :) [01:44] 8 hours of work made it hard to concentrate enough to write in the evenings [01:44] Burgundavia, its a tough job writing a book === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rcliii [n=rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] elmo: http://www.ubuntu.com/htdocs/ubuntuweb/css/screen-standard.css has disappeared and the Ubuntu website is fairly broken as a result. [02:19] apt-cache search libgl [02:19] doh ;) [02:21] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10100 <- getting undefined symbols consistant with having mismatched libGL & DRI drivers but have installed both from packages... [02:21] elmo: or rather, the NTL caches have eaten it. Your end is fine. [02:21] robertj: Erm, that can't be the paste you wanted to show.. [02:24] robertj: Anyhow, if you're suffering libGL mismatches, do you by any chance have nvidia-glx or xorg-driver-fglrx installed, but are using the free drivers (ati or nv) instead? [02:24] robertj: That'll confuse the world in pretty harsh ways. If you're not using them, you have to completely remove the non-free drivers, not just remove them from xorg.conf [02:24] robertj: (ie: dpkg --purge xorg-driver-fglrx) === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === khermans [i=khermans@71.195.199.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] Installation Password Vulnerability code [02:39] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=818304&postcount=74 [02:39] i wrote a quick perl script to see if you are vulnerable [02:40] khermans: And we've already released a fix. This probably isn't the right channel to discuss it much further (unless you want to discuss how to fix it better) [02:41] khermans: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-262-1 done, dusted === khermans [i=khermans@71.195.199.97] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tiefox [n=giovanni@200.208.130.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-1-69.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion fixes one of the twin root causes of the installer password vulnerability upstream [03:06] (cdebconf failed to honour accept_types/reject_types for templates received over passthrough) [03:12] Oh dear god, OpenOffice 2.0.2 actually starts in under a minute. Someone actually optimised something.. \o/ [03:12] heh [03:12] that reminds me, do we have/will we have michael meeks' glibc stuff that makes C++ apps start faster? === infinity drops everything to go write some pointless documents and spreadsheets in celebration. [03:13] Amaranth: When/where was this committed? === Lathiat laughs at infinity [03:13] Amaranth: We're certainly not bumping a new glibc minor version in (since glibc minor versions are pretty, uhh, major) [03:14] infinity: i don't think it was [03:14] infinity: they didn't want it, said you should just use preload [03:14] s/load/link/ I assume you mean? [03:15] yeah [03:15] i haven't used it in a long time :) [03:16] something for dapper+1 though? it'd make OOo and KDE users happy, i'm sure === infinity shrugs... File a wishlist bug with a pointer to the relevant mailing list discussions and patch. [03:16] It can certainly be evaluated for dapper+1 [03:16] will do [03:16] Kamion: what's the other one. I just found a password of mine on a customer's box... [03:18] sladen: the other one is that initial-passwd-udeb.postinst doesn't clear out the password in the installer's cdebconf database, although the password is cleared out by passwd.config from the debconf database in /target [03:18] sladen: either fix alone is sufficient to avoid the bug; I haven't fixed the initial-passwd-udeb.postinst bug anywhere yet because that entire chunk of code is gone upstream and from dapper === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] Kamion: messy. I guess grep -r sEcReTpAsSwOrD / is something to add to the testsuite === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-93-225.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@220-245-224-46.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.101.106.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201008041158.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] are the libgnome locale messages missing from the package (2.3.90-0ubuntu3) or i'm missing something? [03:39] .mo files are stripped from everything in main and go into language-pack-* instead [03:39] stratus: they're separated off into langpacks === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] bingo! [03:39] i forgot that, sorry. [03:44] I swear, if ONE MORE USER tries to cat the install log file on my upgraded hoary install, I will actually be willing to reconsider my stance on execution... [03:44] Yikes === Kamion verifies fresh dapper installs free of the password disclosure bug [03:45] Kamion: It only affects 5.10, you're safe unless you dist-upgraded from Breezy. [03:45] It only affects you if you installed using 5.10 [03:46] dotwaffle: Kamion is the installer maintainer, he's likely aware of the exposure (and is testing to make sure that's true) [03:46] I just reread what I'd written. I need sleep - you're obviously doing something to check it's not still borked. [03:46] infinity: I know, but somehow, sleep prevented me from remembering that... === LaserJock_away is now known as LaserJock === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] Right, that's it, I just tried to specify $1 field insertions using bash aliases, I need sleep... night... === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-214-128-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/29768 [04:14] malone bug 29768 in glibc "Australian timezones incorrect for 2006" [Normal,Confirmed] [04:14] wtf is going on with this? === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-214-128-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] hmm what updates in the past 5 hours have meddled with/removed the minicommander panel applet? [04:31] infinity: sorry for being afk and your right this pastebin script is not returning results properly, but that was the problem, I just took out a radeon card [04:31] infinity: is that a known issue where having xorg-driver-fglrx will cause it to b0rk? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] robertj: Yeah, I've put some effort into figuring out a clever way to work around it, but because fglrx/nvidia use their own libGL (and not the system libGL), it's a messy thing. [04:33] robertj: They have to divert the system libGL out of the way to function, but then other drivers break. [04:33] infinity: ended up not being able to stand the extra noise generated when I had a radeon in this system [04:33] robertj: Generally considered an okay compromise, since if you install fglrx or nvidia-glx, you probably wanted to use it too. [04:33] infinity: doesn't that make liveCDs sad? [04:34] How would it? [04:34] I guess you can still install it on-the-fly then [04:34] If you're very lucky... [04:34] Lots of DRI/DRM combinations tend to be completely unloadable at the kernel level. [04:35] So you'd probably have to use a persistent LiveCD to install fglrx/nvidia-glx and reboot. [04:35] I can't imagine this is a use case many people care terribly much about, though. [04:36] be back in a second, still unhappy, restarting Xorg === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] infinity: btw, that made Xgl happy too [04:41] although Xgl shows direct rendering no and is very slow, is that normal? [04:41] I guess that's one for ubuntu-xgl [04:42] Yeah, I know very little about Xgl. === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-89.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff [n=alicia@12-211-125-247.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-93-225.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dudus_ [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xoff [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === setuid [i=japh@gnu-designs.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] Question: Why would a source package fail to build clean, when all deps are satisfied? [05:26] i.e. 'apt-get source foo' && cd foo && debuild [05:31] http://rafb.net/paste/results/rfER5i98.html [05:32] ...along with about 78 lines of error below that [05:32] Those files don't even exist in all of Debian or Ubuntu, in any package === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === floam [n=nnnnfloa@sh.nu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [05:43] setuid: Which package is this? [05:44] infinity: libmp4v2-0 [05:45] Upstream CVS source for that doesn't build either... needs some serious work. Sigh. [05:45] So I can't build gtkpod [05:45] whee! [05:47] I have an rtf file that will segfault the latest openoffice in dapper (2.02) [05:47] SEJeff: backtrace? [05:47] I ran soffice.bin in gdb to get a backtrace [05:47] And it keeps asking me to press enter after thousands of lines of output [05:47] Is there any way to have gdb log to a file? [05:48] Because I'm not going to copy / paste this many lines [05:49] Actually, I am having a friend do this and I am using NX to help him troubleshoot it [05:50] any ideas === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bet0x [n=barrahom@105-38-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] setuid: I can't reproduce the failure here. It builds fine in a clean chroot with the build-deps installed (which was to be expected, since it also worked on the buildds). There's something goofy with your local setup. [05:56] I'm on Breezy, might that make a difference? [05:57] Erm, quite possibly. [05:57] It definitely does not build here, using any version of automake/autoconf/autoheader/aclocal [05:57] I was building the dapper sources in a dapper chroot. [05:59] I guess its broken in Breezy [05:59] But the source package is _identical_ between Breezy and Dapper, unchanged. === infinity tests in breezy, out of curiosity. [06:01] I'm using faad2-2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp [06:01] Which is what 'apt-get source' brings down [06:01] debuild bootstraps the chroot, no? [06:01] Err, what? [06:01] debuild has nothing to do with chroots. [06:02] It's just a small wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage [06:02] hrm [06:02] I thought it did the whole chroot + dpkg-buildpackage mess [06:02] How are you building this? [06:05] It can't possibly build, there are files that are required, completely missing from any and all .debs in the whole pool [06:05] faad2.h:28:26: error: codec_plugin.h: No such file or directory [06:05] faad2.cpp:22:32: error: mpeg4_audio_config.h: No such file or directory [06:05] faad2.cpp:23:23: error: mpeg4_sdp.h: No such file or directory [06:06] Which I'd expect to be in the faad2 source. [06:06] Nope [06:06] Even googling for them comes up blank [06:08] Well, I'm heading to sleep. Thanks. [06:08] setuid: pbuilder builds packages in a chroot envioronment. [06:09] LaserJock: Sure, so what bootstraps pbuilder? [06:09] debootstrap [06:09] Ok, let me try this a different way [06:10] I have a tree of unpacked source from Ubuntu, which has a ./debian directory in it. I'd like to rebuild that source into .debs I can then install, which should replace the existing versions on my system. [06:10] How do I do that, without a 45-step process? === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-74-99.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] setuid: debuild and the pbuilder is how I usually do it [06:10] Either build it in your base system (apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get build-dep ; cd ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b) [06:10] Or, set up chroots and do it in there. [06:11] Or, use sbuild or pbuilder. [06:11] Or, come up with your own fancy solution. :) [06:11] setuid: or pdebuild in one step [06:11] Well, pdebuild requires some setup too [06:12] setuid: pdebuild is debuild+pbuilder [06:12] Anyhow, it appears to build fine in my breezy chroot to... [06:13] This does nothing: apt-get build-dep libmp4v2-0 [06:13] So, you have the build-deps installed. [06:13] Yep [06:13] Trying dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b now === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:14] Same errors [06:14] That's more or less what debuild will do for you, so if debuild doesn't work, neither will dpkg-buildpackage. [06:14] In file included from faad2.cpp:21: [06:14] faad2.h:28:26: error: codec_plugin.h: No such file or directory [06:14] faad2.cpp:22:32: error: mpeg4_audio_config.h: No such file or directory [06:14] faad2.cpp:23:23: error: mpeg4_sdp.h: No such file or directory [06:15] Your problem is more fundamental, I suspect. [06:15] ^ those files simply do not exist, anywhere, in any of these sources [06:15] Right [06:15] (You didn't change the source in any way, did you?) [06:15] Nope, just rm'd and did a clean 'apt-get source' on it [06:15] apt-get source libmp4v2-0 [06:15] cd faad2-2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp [06:15] dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b [06:15] (chug chug) [06:15] then the errors above [06:15] setuid: what about debootstrapping breezy, trying to build it there, and if it works see where those files come from? [06:16] Chipzz: No idea what you mean [06:16] I'm *ON* Breezy [06:16] 06:12 < infinity> Anyhow, it appears to build fine in my breezy chroot to... [06:16] s/to/too/ [06:17] infinity: you could always do a dpkg -S for those files? :) [06:17] setuid: The build normally doesn't even attempt to build the mpeg4ip plugin (where the broken includes come from), as far as I can tell, so sometihng on your system (whacky environment, who knows) is making things unpleasant. [06:17] I'm not even sure how you can get it to build, when faad2.h clearly references a non-existant file [06:17] or rather, locate and dpkg -S === Bicchi [n=Bicchi@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] Chipzz: Oh, no, the files really don't exist, but they also don't get included in the default package build. [06:18] ah ok [06:18] DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --with-xmms --with-bmp --with-drm --with-mp4v2 --disable-mpeg4ip [06:18] ^--- From debian/rules [06:18] DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --with-xmms --with-bmp --with-drm --with-mp4v2 --disable-mpeg4ip [06:18] Same here [06:18] But it still tries to build it [06:18] I just yanked it from the Makefile, trying now [06:18] Right, so figure out why that is, or use a chroot. :) [06:19] setuid: take a look at the Makefile.am and look on what condition that dir gets build [06:19] We've gone way out of the scope of "this package is broken" (which I and the buildds disagree with) [06:19] Doesn't "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" use a chroot? [06:19] No. [06:19] setup a breezy pbuilder [06:19] when i use pbuilder + bindmounted local apt repository, the packages i've built specifically to meet BuildDepends aren't tried during satisfydepends [06:20] Ok, looks like --disable-mpeg4ip doesn't actually disable it === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] setuid: on a seperate note, why do we use --with-xmms ? [06:21] hrm wait, probably cause that's installed by default :P [06:21] Yep [06:21] I just nuked it from my system :P [06:22] no gtk+ 1.2 apps here ;) === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:25] here's the bash script i'm using to call pbuilder + local bindmount - http://pastebin.com/599151 [06:27] If dapper doesn't have the lattest version of a software, how do i report/suggest an upgrade? What is the procedure? [06:28] Bicchi, dapper is in feature freeze [06:28] Bicchi: most packages in Ubuntu come from Debian. And we are under a upstream version freeze [06:29] so it means nothing can be added to it. until the next release of ubuntu. the one after dapper that is. [06:30] Bicchi: we do have exceptions for important bug fix releases but they have to be approved, etc. [06:30] but again, if i see that the package doesn't get upgraded, should i notifiy Debian instead? [06:32] well, they don't have a version freeze at the moment and we would sync from debian sid for Dapper+1 so it would definately be one way to go [06:36] and the pbuilder output - http://pastebin.com/599156 - the package i'm building BuildDepends on rake (>= 0.6.0) and i've got rake-0.7.0 sitting in my local apt repos [06:37] zerokarmaleft: I used another machine to host my apt repo so I didn't use bind mounts. It worked fine that way [06:43] i see nexenta listed in launchpad as a distro, does this mean we'll soon have a solaris for human beings as well? === _maydayjay_ [n=jason@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dzonni [n=dzonni@ordi.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] hi ubuntu-devel. there's been no announcement yet about the Ubuntu initial user password being stored as clear text, readable by all users. will there be one soon? [07:39] highvoltage: already fixed [07:39] highvoltage: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-262-1 [07:40] ah, thanks [07:41] highvoltage: plus it is a local only exploit === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerokarmaleft [n=zerokarm@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.161.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] Was any of the flight-N installers vulnerable? [08:18] maswan: no === maswan chmods install-logs, just to be sure [08:18] dapper is o [08:18] fabbione: Ah, ok. Good. [08:18] +k [08:19] fabbione: Well, that could also be interpreted as "current dapper is OK", or "released dapper will be OK" from the USN. [08:20] maswan: well there is no support for Dapper.. afaik Dapper was never vulnerable === robitaille wonders if bug 34606 should be marked fixed [08:20] malone bug 34606 in Nexenta OS "Administrator root password readable in cleartext on Breezy" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34606 [08:21] dapper was (is) [08:21] fabbione: Yeah. I just happen to have a debian/ubuntu devel machine for amd64 that was installed with flight-3 that I was curious on. All other machines are FAIed at both work and the computer club, so no worries. [08:21] maswan: ok :) [08:22] ( is = daily I have, guessing the fixed one will get to me in a few hours) === maswan saw the bug and looked carefully in questions.dat without finding his password from that flight-3 install [08:23] CarlFK: dapper mostlikely never had the problem [08:24] infinity: ping [08:24] fabbione: I have many dapper intsalls, all have it === tim_ [n=tim@c-68-35-235-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] juser@dhcp24:/var/log/installer/cdebconf$ grep useme questions.dat [08:24] Value: useme [08:24] jdub: pong, but only because you're lucky. :) [08:24] infinity: ;-) [08:24] infinity: now mysql 5 is sig11 on startup [08:25] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 71670 2006-03-12 23:51 questions.dat [08:25] jdub: ... === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-092-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] jdub: Can you work out how to get a backtrace and file a bug? [08:25] infinity: just got gdb on, shouldn't be long [08:26] jdub: I'm about 5 seconds from running out the door for dinner and such. [08:26] jdub: Cool, thanks. [08:26] jdub: Assign the bug to me explicitely, I don't think I'm the Malone bug contact for MySQL. [08:27] CarlFK: to which question is that Value: ? [08:27] Name: passwd/user-password [08:27] infinity: erm, what happens if a stack trace ends with (nil) ? [08:27] and Name: passwd/user-password-again ;) [08:28] CarlFK: not logged for my flight-3 install. === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] think it matters that I used a preseed file? [08:30] infinity: it didn't pass the stack range sanity check [08:30] CarlFK: Possibly, since I just did a normal cd install and didn't get it logged. [08:40] speaking of preseed, not that base-config is gone, how do I run commands like I did with base-config/late_command ? [08:40] s/not/now [08:41] how much effort would it need to move some libraries and binaries from /usr/{lib,sbin} ->/{lib,sbin}? It isn't possible for dapper, that's quite evident, but for dapper+1 [08:42] I'm talking about libkrb5, libgssapi, rpc.gssd, rpc.idmapd which are needed for nfs4-mounts === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] oh, libidmap too [08:43] libnfsidmap, that is.. [08:43] Good morning [08:44] morning pitti [08:44] Guten Morgen [08:45] hey ajmitch, hallo tepsipakki :) [08:54] Chipzz: I have no clue, we use FAI everywhere, no preseeds. :) [08:55] salut pitti, have a fun sunday? [08:56] Burgundavia: heh, yes, I had :) [08:56] Burgundavia: Good morning === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] so, the password disclosure vuln helped a mate of mine [08:58] hed lost a password, and gave up tryign to brute force it [08:58] turns out it was the same he used in his isntall, so got it back :) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0CBE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] good morning === arp [n=alastair@d58-104-119-54.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir` [n=richard@d220-238-74-99.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === arp is now known as netstar === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-54-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] infinity: when you say YOUR initramfs, can that mean any other user-generated with new kerenls? [09:11] I've had problems but just gave in and build into the kernel [09:11] I pressumed I was being dumb, but couldn; figure why [09:12] netstar: you trying to load a module from initramfs? [09:13] Was trying, but having problems [09:13] iirc, you need to put the module in /etc/modules and re-generate your initramfs, may need to put it in the modules file in /etc/mkinitramfs somewhere [09:13] to regen, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` [09:13] Lathiat: yes === soonindallas [n=peter@m88.net81-66-142.noos.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] morning all [09:18] pitti, hi [09:18] which of the gnome stack is responsible with calling pmount [09:18] and getting the label of the inserted usbdisk for example [09:18] gnome-volume-manager ? [09:19] pmount-hal seems to get it from hal [09:19] netstar, looked at g-v-m sources and could not find pmount there [09:19] janimo: right, g-v-m calls pmount-hal [09:19] I'm interested how gnome determines what label to assign [09:19] janimo: and pmount-hal requests label and policy from hal and calls pmount [09:20] and g-v-m finds out the label by looking at what was mounted? or asks hal itself? [09:20] janimo: as I said, pmount-hal asks the label from hal [09:20] since pmount does not return mountpoint [09:20] janimo: g-v-m just sees 'ah, a new storage device, let's call pmount-hal to mount it' [09:20] pitti, right [09:21] but the label on the icon, where is that taken from since pmount does not return it [09:21] being a command and all [09:21] replicating what pmount asked from hal or looking at mountpoints [09:21] so it's not sda1 but usbdisk [09:22] hal-device ? [09:22] janimo: ah, I see what you mean [09:22] janimo: g-v-m queries the mount point from hal after the mounting [09:23] mount_point = libhal_device_get_property_string (hal_ctx, udi, "volume.mount_point", &error) [09:23] pitti, aha thanks. [09:23] janimo: it's actually two invocations [09:23] 1. new device plugged in -> hal -> g-v-m 'oh, new device' -> pmount-hal [09:23] 2. the mount triggers a new hal event 'device property changed' === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] 3. hal -> g-v-m 'oh, changed dev property' -> get mount point -> nautilus === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] janimo: ^ a bit clearer now? [09:24] hey seb128 [09:24] pitti, yes thank you [09:24] Hey pitti :) [09:24] hey seb128! [09:25] Hey dholbach [09:25] pitti, btw do you know why hal upstream is prefering gnome-mount instead of pmount [09:25] I'm going to test new warty/hoary kernels now, brb [09:25] janimo: yes, I know [09:25] pitti: does xpdf-reader ships /usr/bin/pdftoppm ? [09:25] janimo: but way too late for dapper to change [09:26] seb128: I added a Replaces: some minutes ago [09:26] pitti: I was thinking the manpage should be dropped from xpdf-reader rather [09:26] pitti: yeah, that's why I ask that :) [09:26] no point to ship a manpage if the package has not the corresponding binary [09:26] seb128: right it shuold be fixed in debian [09:27] alright, testing kernels now, bbl [09:30] could libpam-krb5 (universe) be synced from debian? In dapper we have 1.2.0-1, sid has 1.2.0-2 [09:32] mjg59 ping === sivang wonders if the clear text problem with cdebconf had alrready been fixed. [09:33] sivang, there was a security update today [09:33] (it only affects breezy) [09:33] Seveas: or, for that matter, upgraded dappers? [09:33] Seveas: and upgraded breezys I suspect? === raphink-pbook [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] yes [09:34] okay, let's see if the update fixes it. [09:34] (I'm affected) [09:34] I have no breezy-installed systems [09:34] my laptop is a brand new dapper flight 4 [09:34] Oh great: http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/03/13/0525254.shtml [09:34] and server is a hoary->breezy === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] pitti, hi [09:36] Treenaks: we got some bad press. It happens [09:36] Burgundavia: Yeah, I know [09:36] Burgundavia: but still :) [09:37] it is quite a serious mistake [09:37] thankfully it is a local only mistake [09:37] tell that to the admin with a 3000+ users machine who got rooted ;) [09:38] (didn't hear of such a thing yet) [09:39] Seveas: weren't you adminning a cluster of Ubuntu boxes? :) [09:39] still hoary [09:39] and /var/log/*installer removed [09:40] If dapper isn't delayed too much it'll be a dapper cluster in june === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-254.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] good thing my users are retards [09:46] :P [09:48] spacey: Real ones, or just children? :) [09:49]