[12:35] <LaserJock> is it better to show the URL of a link or use the words of the sentence?
[12:52] <mgalvin> LaserJock: i would say it depends on your audience but words can always be more descriptive and friendly
[12:54] <LaserJock> mgalvin: I generally go for words unless there is something important about the URL but I didn't know if there was a "best practices" for it
[12:56] <mgalvin> LaserJock: not that i am aware of
[12:59] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[01:03] <theCore> hello LaserJock
[01:06] <theCore> LaserJock: should we add a section about meta-packages ?
[01:06] <LaserJock> perhaps, that actually would be quite usefull for people
[01:08] <theCore> ubuntu tend to use a lot meta-packages
[01:09] <LaserJock> yeah, and people can use a meta-package for all there personal packages so then when the reinstall they just install their personal meta-package and get all their "goodies"
[01:10] <theCore> I don't think we need explain how to make one, though. Just a quick definition about it would be fine.
[01:11] <LaserJock> well, yes. Once you know how to package  building a meta-packages should be easy
[01:15] <Burgundavia> wow, much todo about nothing on digg today
[01:17] <Madpilot> isn't that standard for digg?
[01:17] <Madpilot> it's like slashdot, without the diversion of the +5 Funny posts
[01:19] <theCore> LaserJock: we should really emphasized on giving the reader a deep understanding of the debian package format, so they can develop their own techniques 
[01:20] <LaserJock> theCore: sure
[01:21] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: indeed. You going out to dad's tonight for dinner?
[01:21] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, yes
[01:21] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:21] <Burgundavia> if I hadn't just blogged, I would blog again about how this is a tempest in a teakettle
[01:22] <LaserJock> which one ;-)
[01:23] <Burgundavia> this Ubuntu issue, or the OS X fud that ran around earlier this week
[01:23] <theCore> LaserJock: I don't want make the guide as a long tutorial which teach nothing to the reader except standard procesdures
[01:23] <LaserJock> theCore: sure. I'm just stuggling to fill the current outline. I'm not sure how much we can do for Dapper
[01:25] <theCore> oka, I need to go
[01:25] <theCore> cya later
[04:20] <LaserJock> anybody around? is there a way to get monospace fonts without using <filename>?
[04:50] <robotgeek> LaserJock: hey there
[04:50] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek 
[04:51] <robotgeek> long day today
[04:54] <LaserJock> yeah?
[04:55] <robotgeek> yeah..pretty tired, went out to friends place early today
[04:58] <LaserJock> good time?
[05:01] <robotgeek> yeah..lots of fun. ended with fondue :)
[05:01] <robotgeek> in the meantime, i guess a ubuntu bug was discovered and fixed
[05:02] <LaserJock> good
[05:03] <robotgeek> but i am running dapper :P
[05:07] <LaserJock> good
[05:07] <LaserJock> first install?
[05:08] <robotgeek> hmm, been running dapper as my main os for about 2 months now
[05:10] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[05:11] <robotgeek> mdke__: ping, did you install that java FOP for the xml to pdf conversion?
[05:11] <LaserJock> I started running it right after the repos opened. It has been a lot more stable than Breezy was before release
[05:11] <robotgeek> nice
[06:32] <LaserJock> bhuvan: ping?
[06:32] <bhuvan> LaserJock pong
[06:33] <LaserJock> bhuvan: did I ever mention that I didn't like "Packaging"  as a title for that section?
[06:34] <bhuvan> LaserJock, i guess not
[06:34] <LaserJock> bhuvan: I think I might have talked to mdke about it once
[06:34] <LaserJock> bhuvan: it just doesn't seem to be the best word to describe that section
[06:35] <bhuvan> LaserJock, oh ok. so ?
[06:36] <LaserJock> bhuvan: oh wait, I think it was already changed. sorry
[06:37] <robotgeek> manicka: hey
[06:37] <manicka> hi
[06:39] <robotgeek> manicka: hows it going?
[06:39] <manicka> can't complain... busy busy as usual
[06:40] <manicka> yourself?
[06:41] <manicka> how's the kubuntu guide going?
[06:41] <robotgeek> it needs reviewing
[06:42] <robotgeek> other than that, complete i guess
[06:42] <LaserJock> robotgeek: lucky ;p
[06:42] <robotgeek> LaserJock: udg is complete, so is kdg :)
[06:43] <LaserJock> well, the upg isn't, although I did get a couple commits in tonight
[06:44] <robotgeek> nice
[06:44] <manicka> upg? packaging?
[06:44] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[06:47] <manicka> robotgeek: I'll try to do some proofing later when I'm sick of looking at work stuff
[06:47] <robotgeek> thanks manicka 
[07:09] <Madpilot> hi all - greetings from a very orange place :P
[07:10] <robotgeek> Madpilot: where ?
[07:10] <robotgeek> okay, i get it
[07:11] <Madpilot> robotgeek: Dapper Flight5 LiveCD - the default Dapper theme is more orange than brown
[07:11] <robotgeek> heh
[07:11] <Madpilot> and XChat-Gnome isn't even included by default, which sucketh
[07:11] <robotgeek> i wonder if *our* flight 5 will be blue/green
[07:12] <Madpilot> and XChat-Gnome has stupid defaults - XChat will connect you to FreeNode/#ubuntu by default, but XChat-Gnome just sits there
[07:12] <manicka> title bar is back to brown in metacity
[07:13] <Madpilot> manicka: in the daily build of Dapper?
[07:14] <manicka> in the latest update I have, yes
[07:16] <Madpilot> bleh - XChat-gnome can't colour nicks like XChat can
[07:17] <Madpilot> I am once again unimpressed by XChat-Gnome... :(
[07:18] <robitaille> irssi :)    and it seems it comes installed in a default dapper install
[07:18] <robotgeek> Madpilot: move to irssi!
[07:18] <robotgeek> amen!
[07:18] <LaserJock> Madpilot: was it installed by defualt? I didn't think so
[07:18] <Madpilot> LaserJock: it's not, I had to install it
[07:18] <manicka> hmmm, I still had clearlooks on
[07:18] <Madpilot> thankfully this machine has enough ram to handle actually installing stuff on the LiveCD :P
[07:19] <robotgeek> Madpilot: so, you are going to take a dig at my issues?
[07:19] <LaserJock> robitaille: it is installed by default with Flight5?
[07:19] <Madpilot> so some obscure cli-based IRC client is included by default, but Xchat/Xchat-gnome is not- sorry, but that's screwed up
[07:20] <robitaille> LaserJock:  I think it is...but not 100%.  I can't remember installing  it in the last 24 hours since I installed flight 5
[07:20] <robotgeek> Madpilot: irssi is not obscure :)
[07:20] <robitaille> for some people cli commands are obscure :)
[07:21] <LaserJock> well, I didn't think there was supposed to be *any* irc client installed by default so...
[07:21] <robitaille> but irssi is not easy to configure initially
[07:21] <Madpilot> robotgeek: the terminal is inherently obscure :P
[07:21] <robitaille> gaim does irc.  
[07:21] <robitaille> but not very well
[07:21] <robotgeek> yeah, take that Madpilot . gaim is the answer. or you can move to kde :)
[07:21] <Madpilot> XChat-Gnome doesn't do IRC very well either, IMO...
[07:22] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: the x-g is breezy sucksw
[07:22] <robitaille> LaserJock:   if I try to remove irssi, it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop.  So I guess it came by default in flight 5
[07:22] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: I'm running Flight5 LiveCD, and XChat-Gnome still bites
[07:22] <highvoltage> yay :)
[07:22] <LaserJock> I like Xchat-Aqua myself :-) although I'm using Windows Xchat at the moment
[07:23] <LaserJock> robitaille: ok, cool
[07:24] <Madpilot> That's interesting - Flight5 doesn't seem to put icons in the desktop switcher like Breezy does
[07:24] <LaserJock> I much prefer Xchat over Xchat-gome since I actually use my user list
[07:25] <Madpilot> likewise
[07:25] <manicka> agreed
[07:25] <Madpilot> I've also customized XChat's right-click menus, so the stuff I actually use is easy to get to
[07:26] <Madpilot> I've also customized XChat's colours, so the screenful of text is easier to follow
[07:26] <manicka> hasn't xchat-gome been removed from flight 5?
[07:26] <Madpilot> it doesn't look like X-Gnome allows any of that stuff
[07:26] <Madpilot> manicka: it has, I installed it
[07:26] <Burgundavia> ugh, peole on digg are taking credit for "helping" with this vuln
[07:27] <robotgeek> comments on digg don't deserve to be read, even
[07:28] <manicka> so there's no xchats by default anymore
[07:28] <Madpilot> digg - it's as bad as slashdot, without the entertainment of the +5 Funny comments :P
[07:28] <Madpilot> manicka: nope
[07:29] <manicka> interesting
[07:29] <robotgeek> Madpilot: +1 on /.
[08:02] <DiReCTOR> hello
[08:03] <Madpilot> hi
[08:03] <Burgundavia> salut DiReCTOR
[08:03] <DiReCTOR> a quick question, odes ubuntu supports Intel 2200 wireless card
[08:04] <Burgundavia> DiReCTOR: yes, but this is not really the correct channel to ask that in
[08:04] <DiReCTOR> alrite, where then
[08:04] <Madpilot> DiReCTOR: /join #ubuntu
[08:05] <DiReCTOR> can i ask a general question
[08:06] <Madpilot> DiReCTOR: #ubuntu is probably a better place, but go ahead...
[08:06] <DiReCTOR> can you suggest any site or book for linux 
[08:07] <DiReCTOR> like general commands and stuff
[08:07] <Madpilot> for Ubuntu, start at http://wiki.ubuntu.com or http://help.ubuntu.com
[08:07] <DiReCTOR> alrite 
[08:32] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[08:42] <mdke> hello
[08:42] <mdke> robotgeek, re: fop, yes I installed it
[08:47] <robotgeek> mdke: yeah, got it figured out. i was missing fop.jar
[08:47] <mdke> robotgeek, ok
[08:48] <robotgeek> mdke: not bad at all, i need to mess with the xsl stuff. 
[08:48] <mdke> robotgeek, how come?
[08:48] <robotgeek> i am now officially tired of customizing resumes for text/pdf format
[08:49] <robotgeek> http://xmlresume.sourceforge.net/ does what i need well
[08:49] <mdke> oh, I thought you had some ideas for changing our pdfs
[08:50] <robotgeek> mdke: no, i got the diea from there tho, thanks :)
[08:51] <mdke> heh
[08:51] <mdke> did you succeed in building a pdf of the kubuntu quickguide?
[08:51] <mdke> mine crashes
[08:51] <robotgeek> you mean the java?
[08:52] <robotgeek> i doubt mine will survive, ibm java and stuff
[08:52] <mdke> i'll get the error message
[08:54] <mdke> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
[08:54] <mdke> it says that after page 125 or something *grin*
[08:54] <robotgeek> maybe you can increase the java heapspace?
[08:56] <mdke> maybe
[08:57] <robotgeek> mdke: http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=636872&messageID=3716437
[08:58] <mdke> thanks
[09:09] <mdke> robotgeek, no idea how to do that :D
[09:10] <robotgeek> mdke: moment
[09:10] <robotgeek> mdke: in fop.sh
[09:11] <robotgeek> add that option to JAVACMD
[09:14] <mdke> in its definition?
[09:16] <robotgeek> yes
[09:16] <mdke> it's still crashing on page 125
[09:16] <mdke> i gave it 400M
[09:17] <robotgeek> eggs mdke to curse java
[09:18] <robotgeek> mdke: ask in ##java, they might know
[09:20] <mdke> i will ask another time
[09:20] <mdke> robotgeek, i hope you're not a cricket fan
[09:21] <robotgeek> mdke: used to be, i did hear the news
[09:21] <mdke> :(
[09:21] <robotgeek> we are talking about SA vs Aus?
[09:21] <mdke> India are beating England
[09:22] <robotgeek> mdke: not to worry, i did not know a match was going on. 
[09:22] <Burgundavia> ok, so I got the same document, reviewed by jorge and quim gil. OO.o says "cannot merge documents"
[09:23] <mdke> bhuvan, grrrr
[09:24] <mdke> Burgundavia, don't you want to read their changes first?
[09:24] <Burgundavia> no, I want to merge all comments into a single document
[09:24] <Burgundavia> so I can look at both comments side by side
[09:26] <Burgundavia> it is just annoying, because I know the documents are essentially the same
[09:33] <robotgeek> i got in on the action too. 
[09:35] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: action?
[09:35] <robotgeek> the cricket action
[09:40] <robotgeek> mdke: nice shot :)
[10:14] <Madpilot> poningru: why aren't we discussing doc stuff here, instead of -offtopic? :P
[10:14] <poningru> oh hehe
[10:14] <poningru> true
[10:15] <poningru> but yeah wanted to work on ubuntu desktop starter guide unless its already finished
[10:15] <Madpilot> the stuff on the website gets built twice a day from the SVN
[10:15] <Burgundavia> poningru: docs are never finished
[10:15] <poningru> hehe
[10:16] <Madpilot> poningru: the Ubuntu DG seems fairly complete, but go ahead and edit/add to/etc
[10:17] <Madpilot> just keep in mind that our string freeze for Dapper is coming up on March 23rd
[10:18] <poningru> 0.0
[10:18] <poningru> crap
[10:18] <poningru> should have started a while ago
[10:18] <Madpilot> ten days yet
[10:18] <poningru> true
[10:18] <poningru> will work on other stuff too then
[10:18] <poningru> yeah I was looking through the stuff seems pretty complete
[10:18] <Madpilot> if Dapper is delayed, that'll push our freeze back too
[10:19] <poningru> ah ic
[10:19] <robotgeek> bhuvan, poningru : yay! 
[10:19] <Madpilot> I'm going to add a gThumb section to UDG tomorrow, and I'll have a look thru the rest of it too
[10:19] <robotgeek> alrite, i'm out. 
[10:19] <robotgeek> i need to add kipi-pluigigs to kde too
[10:19] <poningru> night dude
[10:20] <Madpilot> later, robotgeek
[05:23] <sander> mdke: I found a spelling error in the packaging guide pdf, first page in the paragraph about ./configure: "...Standard Debian packaging tools US it and so it is important..."
[05:24] <Kyral> sander, the Packaging Guide is LaserJock's area
[05:25] <jjesse> is it on the guide along with the pdf?
[05:26] <sander> Kyral: http://mdke.blogspot.com/2006/03/pdf-documentation.html -> it was Matthew East (mdke) who created thse pdf's correct?
[05:26] <Kyral> sander, I dunno
[05:26] <sander> but ok, if you say so
[05:26] <Kyral> I have been outta it for the past couple days lol
[05:26] <jjesse> yes but if they are on the document, doc.ubuntu.com then it is something that laserjock needs to change
[05:26] <sander> jjesse: I have only read the pdf
[05:26] <Kyral> and I am not at my normal computer so I'm not checking email
[05:26] <sander> oh ok
[05:27] <Kyral> God how much email will I have to download on Sunday...
[05:27] <jjesse> i had over 600, didn't download for a week
[05:27] <Kyral> yah
[05:27] <Kyral> I'm on Spring Break
[05:28] <Kyral> which == VACATION :D
[05:28] <Kyral> I mean I'll help out in #ubuntu
[05:28] <Kyral> but right now its also study time and whatnot
[05:28] <Kyral> I think I'll start on a Xen Webserver HowTo though
[05:28] <sander> so should I contact laserjock then, or can you can people put my notification of this spelling error through? to be honest I don't have much time, and I don't like to subscribe to the mailing list
[05:29] <Kyral> Xen Webserver == Ubuntu Breezy as Domain 0 with the different server components as XenGuests
[05:29] <jjesse> drop a note to laserjock
[05:30] <Kyral> so LAMP in Domain 1, MailServ in Domain 2, FTP in Domain 3, etc etc etc
[05:30] <Kyral> would that be useful?
[05:31] <Kyral> anyone?
[05:33] <sander__> hmm, accidentally pressed shift + backspace and Xgl caused me to log out :x
[05:33] <Kyral> lol
[05:33] <Kyral> I don't use XGl
[05:33] <Kyral> it doesn't like me for some reason
[05:33] <sander__> jesse: how do I contact laserjock then, I don't see him in the channel here?
[05:33] <Kyral> and anime doesn't play well
[05:33] <jjesse> drop an email to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com
[05:34] <sander__> hmm ok, that's the mailing list I assume... but if I'm not subscribed, the ML mod will have to approve my e-mail, correct?
[05:34] <sander__> I mean, it won't take days for a mod to approve my message?
[05:35] <sander__> Kyral, Xgl is working reasonably on my box, for alpha software then... but you're an anime fan? what series do you watch?
[05:36] <Kyral> sander__, ohh
[05:36] <Kyral> Right now on my computer (over 180 GBs)
[05:37] <sander__> over 180 GB's? that's a lot...
[05:39] <Kyral> After War Gundam X, Ai Yori Aoishi, Ai Yori Aoishi Enishi, Air, Azumanga Daioh, Love Hina, Love Hina Again, Shuffle, DearS(why do I have this..), School Rumble, Suzuka, Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Gundam SEED Destiny, Gundam SEED, Turn-A Gundam, Fruits Basket, Gundam Wing, Victory Gundam, Gundam Double Zeta, Inuyasha, .Hack//SIGN, One Piece, Infinite Ryvius, Ah! My Goddess, Rurouni Kenshin, Samurai Champloo, some Excel Saga...
[05:39] <Kyral> I know I am leaving some out...
[05:43] <sander__> I like Gundam as well, SEED was good, but SEED Destiny was mediocre... currently I'm following Black Cat and Mai Otome
[05:43] <Kyral> Destiny was good until Kira took over the show
[05:44] <sander__> it's a bit unfortunate though that GStreamer in Dapper can't handle H.264 fansubs well, as soon as you use the seek bar it crashes....
[05:44] <Kyral> I got mine from Seed Fansubs
[05:44] <Kyral> although I do admit to using w32codecs
[05:46] <sander__> concerning w32codecs, any way to get it working with GStreamer 0.10?
[05:46] <Kyral> dunno
[05:46] <Kyral> I use Xine
[05:46] <Kyral> and VLC
[05:46] <Kyral> I ditched GStreamer back in the Hoary days
[05:47] <sander__> back in Hoary and Breezy I disliked GStreamer as well, but I have to say that it works like a charm in Dapper
[05:49] <sander__> ok, e-mail is sent... one more question, is it planned to make the packaging guide easily accessible from yelp once Dapper final is released, or will it be hidden somewhere in the Ubuntu wiki?
[05:50] <sander__> hmm, nevermind, I can already see it in yelp
[05:51] <sander__> bye all
[06:08] <jordi> hey
[06:09] <jordi> mdke: what's the latest version of the docs up for translation? Are they in rosettA?
[06:09] <jordi> or should we feed my translators something else while rosetta is unfucked?
[06:17] <robotgeek> jordi: maybe should wait for doc-string freeze
[06:27] <Burgwork> hmm, secunia rates our weekend fun as "less critical"
[06:30] <jordi> robotgeek: nod
[06:30] <jordi> hmm
[06:30] <jordi> robotgeek: we may actually translate the breezy versions too
[06:30] <robotgeek> jordi: not too much, slightly over a week to go
[06:30] <jordi> yeah
[06:30] <jordi> 10 days
[07:28] <theCore> hi LaserJock
[07:29] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[07:30] <theCore> I started some work on the appendix. (isn't it bizzare that we start the appendix before finishing the guide? ;)
[07:32] <LaserJock> hmm, well since the whole thing is sort of bizarre at the moment I think it is pretty normal ;-)
[07:39] <jjesse> hey LaserJock, someone was talking earlier in the channel about a typo in the packaging guide, did he ever get with you about it?
[07:39] <LaserJock> hmm, don't think so
[07:46] <LaserJock> jjesse: do you happen to remember who it was?
[07:47] <jjesse> LaserJock: no i don't sorry
[08:40] <mdke_> jordi, I haven't included the pot templates in the source package yet
[08:41] <jordi> mdke_: where should we fetch the stuff for now?
[08:42] <mdke_> jordi, nowhere yet, the docs aren't quite ready for translating
[08:42] <mdke_> jordi, when they are, we'll upload with the pots and I'll post to every mailing list I can think of
[08:42] <jordi> k
[08:42] <mdke_> jordi, is that a reasonable plan?
[08:42] <mdke_> should be next week-ish
[08:42] <jordi> sure
[08:43] <mdke_> jordi, cool. there was a post to -translators today you might wanna take a look at re: rosetta
[08:43] <jordi> it's just that I have a few volunteers waitinf for an assignment
[08:43] <jordi> let me have a look
[08:43] <mdke_> basically saying that it hasn't been synched with upstream for ages
[08:43] <jordi> Serious problems?
[08:43] <jordi> ohm an
[08:44] <jordi> I really don't know what to say anymore
[08:44] <jordi> sigh
[08:44] <mdke_> well, you could say, "it's gonna be fixed" :)
[08:47] <mdke_> heh
[08:54] <jordi> there goes
[09:29] <trappist> I'm editing /ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/switching/C/switching.xml - is this on the list of documents not to pay attention to?  it's sorta "not like" the others.
[09:31] <trappist> Also I'd like to ask again about unicode punctuation vs. html entities - I brought it up here twice and on the list once, but haven't really gotten a response.
[09:32] <trappist> and I ran across this -> http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/quotes-in-html.html  and it makes a lot of sense to me.
[09:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:41] <LaserJock> although I didn't see anything weird in the test pages
[09:59] <LaserJock> hi jpatrick 
[09:59] <jpatrick> hey LaserJock 
[10:00] <jpatrick> how's it going?
[10:01] <LaserJock> oh, very busy.
[10:01] <jpatrick> me too
[10:02] <jpatrick> spent the last 4 hours trying to get amarok-1.4beta2 to package nicely
[10:03] <LaserJock> ughh
[10:03] <jpatrick> amarok1.3.8 => amarok1.4-beta2 == big change
[10:03] <LaserJock> lots of improvements?
[10:03] <jpatrick> gstreamer0.10!!!!
[10:04] <jpatrick> ;)
[10:05] <jpatrick> It's got some nice new things according to the changelog
[10:06] <LaserJock> cool
[10:07] <LaserJock> I'm still trying to get the packaging guide going
[10:07] <trappist> jpatrick: oh, let me know when that's done.  a fatal issue (for me) in beta1 has been fixed, and I've been waiting to test beta2
[10:08] <jpatrick> trappist: today is your lucky day
[10:09] <trappist> LaserJock: unicode vs. html entities aren't a recognizable issue when you're just viewing a document.  it gets ugly when you copy and paste or try to parse (and in some cases convert) the document.
[10:09] <trappist> jpatrick: awesome
[10:09] <jpatrick> ** please test amarok1.4-beta2 for Kubuntu Dapper x86 packages: http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/debs/amarok1.4-beta2/ - thanks
[10:09] <LaserJock> trappist: ah
[10:10] <LaserJock> trappist: actually I have noticed that when I was pasting from the wiki into Windows once.
[10:10] <trappist> I notice it pasting into irssi too.
[10:12] <LaserJock> well, we should definitely try to be as universal as we can
[10:12] <trappist> yeah there's that too.
[10:13] <LaserJock> so we basically need to replace all the " and ' ?
[10:14] <trappist> well that too, actually - that's invalid xml - but I was referring more to stuff that shows up as wacky control characters in vim, and pastes as \uXXXX
[10:15] <LaserJock> ok, so now I'm confused. What do we need to replace as what?
[10:17] <trappist> my original point was... open ubuntu/quicktour/quicktour.html in vim and look at the first few paragraphs, and you should see what I was referring to.
[10:18] <trappist> but additionally things like &, " and ' are invalid xml, but that's a separate issue.
[10:18] <trappist> youll be impressed.
[10:18] <trappist> I dunno how that shows up in your irc client, but here it's a mess.
[10:19] <LaserJock> ok, but is it a problem outside of quicktour.html?
[10:20] <trappist> I dunno, I haven't looked that hard
[10:21] <trappist> that stuff is hard to grep for
[10:22] <LaserJock> the reason I ask is I don't think we use quicktour anymore. I think it was dropped.
[10:22] <trappist> gah.  do we have a list of stuff like that?  I seem to end up spending a lot of time on stuff we don't use anymore.  maybe the svn tree needs to be cleaned up?
[10:22] <Kyral> ohh lemme!
[10:22] <Kyral> Lemme go on a delete spree!
[10:22] <LaserJock> Kyral: heck no
[10:23] <Kyral> damnit :P
[10:23] <LaserJock> trappist: I think it was. I  think we kept it around in case we wanted it again or something. mdke_ would now *hint* ;-)
[10:23] <LaserJock> trappist: but you can also look at doc.ubuntu.com
[10:23] <Kyral> Actually there is a program known as Kleansweap that, among other things, seeks and destroys all those pesky Emacs backup files
[10:25] <trappist> that should be easy with a 'find' oneliner
[10:26] <trappist> with vim, anyway.  maybe emacs backup files are harder to identify.
[10:27] <trappist> jpatrick: when I hover over the systray icon the tooltip appears at the top of the screen (when my panel is at the bottom)
[10:28] <jpatrick> odd
[10:29] <trappist> yeah all the other ones are right.  no idea if that's a packaging issue.
[10:30] <mdke_> mm?
[10:30] <mdke_> summarise scrollback for me?
[10:30] <jpatrick> new amaroK package
[10:30] <LaserJock> mdke_: is quicktour.html used anymore?
[10:30] <mdke_> LaserJock, thanks. No, it's not
[10:30] <mdke_> sorry trappist 
[10:31] <trappist> mdke_: how to know which files not to bother with?  basically I wake up in the morning and eeny-meeny-miny-mo a file to work on.
[10:31] <mdke_> trappist, start with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects
[10:32] <mdke_> that _should_ be relatively up to date
[10:32] <LaserJock> trappist: eeny-meeny-miny-mo on doc.ubuntu.com ;-)
[10:32] <mdke_> but if you fancy a good project, I think the serverguide is in need of some frenzied section contributions before string freeze
[10:32] <jjesse> hmm i wonder how up to date that is kubuntu wise ?
[10:32] <mdke_> jjesse, not too bad AFAIK
[10:33] <mdke_> jerome updated it recently
[10:33] <jjesse> hmm just noticed i wasn't subscribed to that page
[10:33] <trappist> erm.  quicktour is on there and marked as finished.
[10:33] <mdke_> trappist, gah. that's where the _should_ comes in...
[10:33] <LaserJock> hmm, how come me and the wiki are out by our lonesome?
[10:34] <LaserJock> I must have messed up the table when I added the Packaging Guide
[10:38] <trappist> LaserJock: fixed the table
[10:39] <trappist> and took care of some word nazi issues