[12:04] <ilmari> Psi-Jack: 3.4
[12:04] <Psi-Jack> Aha! That's why spca5xx locks up on me. :)
[12:05] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[12:05] <tritium> hi LaserJock
[12:37] <dolson> LaserJock: ping
[12:37] <LaserJock> dolson: pong
[12:37] <dolson> LaserJock: you busy? :)
[12:37] <LaserJock> hmm, depends
[12:38] <dolson> this just needs to be uploaded, that's all http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2130
[12:39] <dolson> if you have time to do it, this is the UVF for it https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/34244
[12:39] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34244 in seq24 "seq24 UVF request" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[12:39] <LaserJock> dolson: it looks like the comment says it was done
[12:41] <LaserJock> dolson: have you looked at the build on LP?
[12:43] <slomo_> LaserJock: it isn't uploaded yet
[12:43] <slomo_> feel free to do so... otherwise i will upload it ;)
[12:44] <LaserJock> slomo: ok, I'll do it
[12:50] <Spec> heh, that was quite a bug (34606)...
[12:51] <slomo_> Ubugtu: bug #34606
[12:51] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34606 in Nexenta OS "Administrator root password readable in cleartext on Breezy" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34606
[12:52] <dolson> sorry LaserJock I went to the washroom. the build didn't fail, did it?
[12:52] <Spec> by all users, at that.
[12:52] <Spec> it's confirmed and fixed already though, so that's wrong...
[12:52] <LaserJock> dolson: no, it hasn't be uploaded. I'm going to do that now.
[12:54] <Toadstool> Colin Watson fixed it really quickly but the news has spread all over the net faster than that :/
[12:54] <dolson> ooo, Ubuntu is joining the Linux Audio dot Org consortium... I wonder who is responsible for that
[12:54] <Spec> well, as long as it's fixed quickly, that's good.
[12:55] <Spec> although i have to wonder how long this has been a bug....
[12:55] <Toadstool> about 5 months...
[12:56] <Spec> nice...
[12:58] <Toadstool> I can already read the forums' headlines : "the best distro of the year was in fact the less secure"... 1 month and a half before dapper release that sucks...
[01:00] <Toadstool> now I have to go to bed if I want be able to wake up for school tomorrow, gn8 everybody
[01:04] <tritium> hmm, /var/run/tor dir tends to disappear a lot
[01:24] <LaserJock> dolson: ok, seq24 hit dapper-changes
[01:24] <dolson> thanks LaserJock :)
[01:25] <LaserJock> dolson: np
[03:46] <LaserJock> hi Kyral and minghua
[03:47] <Kyral> hey
[03:47] <Kyral> anyone know where anacron logs too?
[03:47] <minghua> hello LaserJock and Kyral
[03:47] <LaserJock> Kyral: /var/logs I would imagine
[03:47] <Kyral> hmm
[03:48] <Kyral> trying to figure out if the update script I put in /etc/cron.daily on my server is firing off
[03:48] <LaserJock> minghua: need any uploads?
[03:48] <minghua> LaserJock: heh.  not yet
[03:49] <minghua> LaserJock: will pester you when I need :-)
[03:49] <LaserJock> minghua: ok fine. I'm in a bit of a sponsoring mood tonight ;-)
[03:49] <bddebian> We are "sponsoring" now?
[03:50] <LaserJock> well, I'll sponsor uploads if they need to get done
[03:50] <Kyral> Hehe, soon XenBreezy will become Xen Dapper
[03:52] <bddebian> LaserJock: So you've become the Master eh? :-)
[03:52] <Kyral> when did bddebian get here
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[03:55] <bddebian> Fuuuuuuuuck I hate qt-x11-free
[03:55] <Spec> editing a wiki, what's the best way to flag command? bolding them?
[03:55] <Kyral> I'll get my MOTUNess during Dapper+1
[03:56] <bddebian> Kyral: Awesome
[03:56] <Kyral> right now I'm learning about Xen and webservers and stuff :D
[03:56] <dolson> Spec: in MediaWiki, I always put a space at the start of the line. not sure about MoinMoin or any others
[03:56] <Spec> xen is cool
[03:56] <bddebian> Xen pfft :-)
[03:56] <Spec> dolson: i'm using wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:56] <Spec> that's not a moinmoin, is it?
[03:56] <Spec> oh, it is
[03:56] <LaserJock> hi bddebian btw. I'm a MOTU now. In some ways I don't feel like one but I try. I am sure grateful that you got me started with the MOTU
[03:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: Awesome, congrats.  I feel REALLY bad that I have been MIA. :-(
[03:57] <Kyral> I'm gonna try Gentoo on this laptop tomorrow
[03:57] <Kyral> yah I feel bad that I have been slacking off lol
[03:57] <Spec> I'm trying to become a member still :p
[03:58] <Spec> I had to leave early the last meeting so i could attend a conference and give out ~1300 ubuntu cds to people who work in the government, so they didn't let me join 'cause i wasn't there :p
[03:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: don't worry, we are MIA at some point
[03:58] <bddebian> Spec: Well I did quite a bit of stuff for Breezy but I'm still not a Member according to Launchpad :-)
[03:59] <LaserJock> Spec: well, that contribution should help towards becoming a member for sure
[04:00] <LaserJock> bddebian: don't worry, you're special wiki is still around ;-)
[04:00] <Spec> ah hah! it's {{{ and }}}
[04:00] <Spec> LaserJock: i know, it was unfortunate timing, they said my profile looked good enough to become a member
[04:00] <bddebian> LaserJock: That's sad :-)
[04:02] <LaserJock> Spec: well, next time. I'm sorry that you weren't able to make it.
[04:02] <Spec> how do I make a block of text render like a block of text as i've written it in the wiki editor?
[04:02] <Spec> like, in html, it'd be """ whatever """
[04:05] <LaserJock> Spec: You might check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing
[04:05] <Spec> ah, i thought all the help was only at the bottom of the page
[04:05] <Spec> which is very limited :p
[04:07] <Spec> ah, very helpful, thanks
[04:07] <LaserJock> np
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch_
[04:12] <ajmitch_> hello
[04:13] <ajmitch_> what's new?
[04:13] <bddebian> I fixed all the bugs
[04:13] <bddebian> ;-P
[04:13] <ajmitch_> great, I can go back to holiday mode then
[04:14] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch_
[04:14] <ajmitch_> hey LaserJock
[04:14] <Erlang> ajmitch_: that happens to me all the time when I leave my computer alone too long... they can't seem to live without me.
[04:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: do you know if builds are retried after failure on soyuz?
[04:15] <ajmitch_> yeah
[04:15] <ajmitch_> I'd better go home & sort it out :)
[04:15] <Spec> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiBroadcomDriver
[04:15] <ajmitch_> since the lab here has taken about 10 minutes to do 75% of it
[04:15] <ajmitch_> and I could do the rest at home
[04:16] <Erlang> last time it was only dyndns.org screwing up.
[04:18] <ajmitch_> sure, except I'm getting 'no route to host', and dns is correctly resolving
[04:43] <dolson> ogra: do you want the bugs filed against gnome-screensaver? no, right? you want them against the apps themselves
[04:51] <LaserJock> hi G0SUB
[04:51] <G0SUB> LaserJock :)
[05:19] <LaserJock> hmm, stupid laptop ran out of juice :(
[05:31] <Kyral> Night MOTU
[05:36] <LaserJock> cya Kyral
[05:43] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[05:43] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[05:43] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[05:43] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[05:44] <spacey> hi
[05:44] <ajmitch> hey spacey, what's up?
[05:46] <spacey> i want to sleep
[05:47] <spacey> how are you doing ajmitch:)
[05:48] <minghua> good night MOTUs
[05:49] <ajmitch> good :)
[06:30] <LaserJock> lol
[06:30] <LaserJock> go report those bugs ;-)
[06:37] <dolson> LaserJock: ogra must been away, do you think that if gnome-screensaver comes on during <game> then the bug goes against g-s or <game? >
[06:38] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure. If you do it against the game you should probably subscribe ogra so he can see it easily.
[06:39] <Lathiat> yeh i agree with lj
[06:45] <dolson> k, that's what I will do if any of these don't respect g-s
[07:28] <Spec> Mailman/lists.ubuntu.com should require gpg keys, and encrypt any e-mail sent to me that contains my password... Where would I file that suggestion officially?
[08:11] <Spec> so, making wiki pages gives you no karma?
[08:13] <Yagisan> I don't think it does. Fixing bugs does - hint hint ;)
[08:15] <Yagisan> I amazed my wife today. I showed here how with 1 line of text I could set ubuntu up to record, trancode and burn the japanese news at 5:30am for her, automatically, 6 days a week.
[08:16] <ajmitch> wonderful :)
[08:16] <Yagisan> isn't cron nice ;)
[08:16] <ajmitch> how well do you understand japanese?
[08:17] <Yagisan> more spoken then written. I can do very basic conversation
[08:17] <Yagisan> I can start to understand some preschool shows now
[08:19] <Yagisan> I wish cron also let me specify seconds as well as minutes
[08:19] <ajmitch> you need it to be that accurate?
[08:20] <Yagisan> for tv recording, it would be nice. currently I trigger recoding 1 minute before the program is due to start
[08:31] <dolson> Yagisan: you could put a sleep 45 at the start of your cron command line :)
[08:37] <Yagisan> dolson: yes that is a possibility.
[09:00] <Lathiat> Yagisan: you often want a minue fuzzyness on recording anyway?
[09:00] <Lathiat>  *minute
[09:00] <Lathiat> i in fact use 5 minutes..
[09:02] <Yagisan> Lathiat: 5 ? I give a few minutes past the end in case it's late, but not that much. I chew up 6GB/hr just dumping it down
[09:03] <dholbach> good morning
[09:06] <Gloubiboulga> hello dholbach
[09:07] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[09:08] <dholbach> hey guys! :)
[09:09] <ajmitch> dholbach: how was your weekend? :)
[09:09] <Yagisan> G'day dholbach
[09:10] <Lathiat> Yagisan: yeh but 5 minues isnt going to hurt ;p
[09:11] <Lathiat> Yagisan: i dont know about tv there, but tv here can tend to move around by a few minutes
[09:11] <Lathiat> mayeb yours is better, i dunn
[09:11] <Lathiat> o
[09:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: merci beaucoup - it was fine... caught up with mails, did a bit of python hacking, tried the new records i bought in london, went to a thai place - stuff like that
[09:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: how was your weekend?
[09:14] <Spec> i've been meaning to find a good thai place
[09:15] <Yagisan> Lathiat: it does move around here, but as I can only pick up one channel (when the wind is blowing right), I don't mind missing the ads at the start ;)
[09:18] <ajmitch> dholbach: alright, flew back to NZ on saturday, did very little yesterday
[09:32] <Lathiat> ouch 1 channel ;p
[09:32] <ajmitch> Lathiat?
[09:32] <Lathiat> yagisan
[09:32] <ajmitch> ah, I see context
[09:33] <Lathiat> context from 3 lines up ;p
[09:33] <ajmitch> 3 lines + extra junk in between :)
[09:33] <Lathiat> my terminals 80x35 and i could see it still ;p
[09:33] <sivang> ajmitch: still working on the embedded project? :)
[09:33] <Lathiat> err, 80x25
[09:35] <ajmitch> sivang: ?
[09:35] <ajmitch> see context above.. ;)
[09:36] <Lathiat> ouch
[09:36] <Lathiat> bastard.
[09:36] <ajmitch> enough of that
[09:36] <ajmitch> I'm not here to be nice
[09:37] <Lathiat> can anyone tell how bored i am? ;p
[09:37] <ajmitch> yes
[09:37] <Lathiat> 23 minutes and counting.. :)
[09:38] <ajmitch> morning siretart! :)
[09:42] <freeflying> looking for review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2143
[09:43] <Mithrandir> Mongoose: please turn off public away
[09:46] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[09:47] <ajmitch> how are you?
[09:48] <siretart> thanks fine. I'm currently at work. how are you?
[09:50] <ajmitch> alright
[09:50] <siretart> :)
[09:53] <siretart> a friend is telling me that he was just bitten by selinux not letting him run vmware
[09:54] <siretart> I think selinux is right ;)
[09:54] <ajmitch> hehe
[09:55] <Lathiat> haha
[10:10] <siretart> looks like I don't need to send out another sync report
[10:12] <ajmitch> sistpoty has uploaded them all?
[10:20] <siretart> no idea
[10:20] <siretart> seems like someone (*sigh*) needs to check each item if it is uptodate in dapper
[04:17] (hub/#ubuntu-motu) azeem: I fixed upstream
[04:17] (hub/#ubuntu-motu) azeem: with the maintainer permission
[04:17] (azeem/#ubuntu-motu) ah, cool
[04:17] (Spec/#ubuntu-motu) azeem: I thought the dh_python was supposed to find all the depenencies, this program depends on python2.4-reportlab, python2.4-wxgtk2.6, etc
[04:17] (hub/#ubuntu-motu) azeem: but I just wonder if I just should bother making a clean patch or not
[04:18] (Spec/#ubuntu-motu) it's easy enough to make my own dependencies though
[04:18] (hub/#ubuntu-motu) azeem: because next update upstream will not need the clean patch
[04:18] (azeem/#ubuntu-motu) hub: having it in the diff is better practise I think, splitting up the .ac patch from the regeneration patch would be nice, though
[04:18] (hub/#ubuntu-motu) s/clean//
[04:18] (hub/#ubuntu-motu) azeem: I have to change the rules to also regenerate auto*
[04:18] <hub> etc
[04:18] <hub> and that is more work
[04:18] <azeem> hub: that's the other possibility
[04:19] <hub> for something that won't be need at next version
[04:19] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, so if I use version like 4:3.5.1-kopete0.12, I still have "initial release" in changelog?
[04:19] <azeem> then you would have to Build-Depend on autotools, which some people don't like
[04:19] <azeem> Spec: dh_python can only figure out the correct python version to use I think
[04:19] <raphink> Tm_T: yes
[04:19] <raphink> imo
[04:19] <Tm_T> huh
[04:19] <Spec> azeem: that's good, because i explicitely specify that :p
[04:19] <raphink> because it's the first release of this source
[04:20] <raphink> and the changelog is linked to the source, not to the binaries
[04:20] <Tm_T> raphink: yeah, you know it's hard to make nice debian dir ;)
[04:20] <raphink> Tm_T: hehe
[04:20] <Tm_T> not much idea what there should be and what not
[04:20] <raphink> hehe
[04:21] <raphink> Riddell: /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.svgz after last upgrade of k-d-s
[04:21] <raphink> ;)
[04:22] <raphink> doesn't sem to  have really fixed the wallpaper, on the contrary
[04:22] <Riddell> raphink: hmm?
[04:22] <raphink> oops sorry, wrong paste
[04:22] <raphink> hehe
[04:22] <raphink> wait
[04:22] <raphink>  $ kdesktop: WARNING: failed to load SVG file /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.svgz
[04:22] <raphink> that's it ;)
[04:22] <raphink> I had pasted just the end of it
[04:22] <Spec> how is source distrobuted when you apt-source something, is that the created tar.gz file?
[04:22] <raphink> since i upgraded k-d-s, I hvae no wallpaper anymore
[04:23] <Tm_T> :p
[04:23] <Tm_T> raphink: that's kubuntu-default-settings?
[04:23] <raphink> Spec: you get the orig.tar.gz, the .dsc and the diff.gz (or other files in case this is a debian-native), then it runs dpkg-source -x on the dsc to extract the dir
[04:23] <raphink> Tm_T: yes
[04:23] <Tm_T> aye
[04:24] <Spec> Well, i didn't get an orig.tar.gz or a diff.gz created, but I did get a python-package-version.tar.gz created
[04:24] <Tm_T> I don't have any diffs either
[04:25] <Tm_T> Spec: orig is just renamed default package
[04:25] <Tm_T> s/default/original
[04:25] <Spec> just the tarball of the source?
[04:25] <raphink> Riddell: it installs a png wallpaper but still gets the svg as default it seems
[04:25] <raphink> (I still dislike this new wallpaper very much)=
[04:26] <Spec> hehe, yay, it worked
[04:32] <Kyral> Cya guys I'm off to play with my puppies :D
[04:45] <hub> Kyral: what kind of puppies?
[05:16] (Kyral/#ubuntu-motu) hub: a 3 year old Chocolate Lab and a 1 year old West Highland White Terrier
[05:17] <Kyral> -ELATE
[05:17] <Tm_T> chocolate lab as human baby?
[05:18] <Kyral> Tm_T, no, dog breed
[05:18] <Tm_T> aah
[05:18] <Tm_T> eat it
[05:18] <Kyral> ....
[05:18] <Kyral> STAB!
[05:18] <Tm_T> ah, two e
[05:19] <Tm_T> not dog bread
[05:19] <Kyral> ....
[05:19] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:19] <Kyral> Caffine you need, Yoda say!
[05:19] <Kyral> Actually I can pull up pics of the dogs if you really wanna see them
[05:20] <Erlang> I do I do
[05:20] <Kyral> http://clarkson.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2000901&l=ba169&id=21601643
[05:21] <Tm_T> :)
[05:28] <Gloubiboulga> could anyone have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2059 ?
[05:29] <hub> Kyral: cute
[05:30] <Kyral> hub: Don't I know it
[05:30] <hub> Kyral: looks really dark for a chocolate lab
[05:30] <hub> my GF wants a Boston Terrier
[05:30] <Kyral> hub, Its prolly my camera, but yah, Mia pup is kinda dark. But when the light hits her coat right...
[05:34] <Kyral> Terrier == Hyper
[05:37] <hub> Kyral: I remember a Westie nagging my ex-in-laws' Lab
[05:40] <Kyral> hub, they get along well :P
[05:40] <hub> yeah
[05:40] <hub> but one was behing the gate
[05:40] <Kyral> lol
[05:40] <hub> and they both had the same name :-)
[05:42] <Spec> where are ubuntu version docs? (how to version packages...)
[05:56] <Spec> so who maintains multiverse?
[05:58] <netzmeister> what do you mean? there are many multiverse maintainer!
[05:58] <netzmeister> which package?
[06:01] <hub> Spec: MOTU maitains multiverse
[06:03] <Spec> ah, okay, so they maintain both universe and multiverse
[06:04] <G0SUB> Spec what did you think? MOTM ?
[06:05] <Spec> well, i had a feeling there was a secret underground organization called MOTM....
[06:05] <G0SUB> hehe
[06:48] <G0SUB> is Kubuntu providing KDE updates for Breezy?
[06:57] <netzmeister> hello MOTU's ;-)
[07:16] <LaserJock> morning everybody!
[07:17] <G0SUB> LaserJock it's almost 00:00 here :)
[07:18] <LaserJock> well, good afternoon and good evening everybody!
[07:18] <G0SUB> hehe
[07:19] <LaserJock> netzmeister: nabend!
[07:19] <G0SUB> LaserJock have you dist-upgraded to dapper btw?
[07:20] <LaserJock> G0SUB: what do you mean? like dist-upgraded today?
[07:20] <G0SUB> LaserJock no ... not today
[07:20] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  hello
[07:20] <netzmeister> Xgl is a funny thing.. :-D
[07:21] <LaserJock> G0SUB: well, I've been running Dapper-only since the repos opened
[07:21] <LaserJock> G0SUB: I haven't seen Breezy since ~ November last year ;-)
[07:21] <G0SUB> LaserJock hehe ... okay ... I am thinking about upgrading today ... hope nothing breaks :)
[07:22] <Erlang> be wary of initramfs...
[07:22] <G0SUB> Erlang I don't use / need any
[07:22] <Erlang> good.
[07:23] <ogra> you wont get around it :)
[07:24] <Erlang> my kernels got kinda broke when I dist-upgraded to dapper.
[07:24] <ogra> 2.6.14+ *needs* initramfs ...
[07:24] <ogra> just dont fiddle with the defaults, then all is fine :)
[07:25] <Erlang> it was sad because once I fixed that problem Dapper booted and ran just fine on the KDE side.
[07:26] <Erlang> GNOME was/is still annoying because of that bug with evdev.
[07:27] <G0SUB> Erlang which bug?
[07:27] <ogra> i was about to ask this ...
[07:27] <Erlang> gnome-settings-daemon crashes if one uses evdev with a strange button setup...
[07:27] <ogra> i also would like to know which kind of initramfs probs yopu had ...
[07:28] <Erlang> me?
[07:28] <ogra> since on 8 machines here i never saw any probs with initramfs ...
[07:28] <ogra> (3 different arches)
[07:28] <Erlang> I wish I understood better.
[07:29] <ogra> so what did that mean? <Erlang> be wary of initramfs...
[07:29] <LaserJock> ogra: who are the buildd admins? elmo and Kamion?
[07:29] <Erlang> I don't really understand how it happened.  I just know that there was no /dev/hda in the initramfs.
[07:30] <ogra> Erlang, after you upgraded to dapper ?
[07:30] <Erlang> I don't know how but the dist-upgrade process seems to have skipped the install of udev.
[07:30] <Erlang> ogra: yes.
[07:30] <ogra> LaserJock, infinity and lamont normally
[07:31] <ogra> Erlang, when was this ? in the middle of the udev rewrite ?
[07:31] <LaserJock> ogra: hmm, ok. so do I just ask for a give-back?
[07:31] <ogra> yep
[07:31] <ajmitch> morning
[07:31] <Erlang> ogra: but I tried so much things to fix the problem that I'd have troubles pinpointing which steps fixed the problems.
[07:31] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[07:32] <ogra> Erlang, we rewrote udev completely, that was an expected behavior in the beginning of the release cycle ...
[07:32] <Erlang> I might have been unlucky...
[07:33] <Erlang> Seeing "/dev/hda not found" was quite a bit traumatic.  I'm luckly I've had enough nerves remaining to fix the problem.  I did not try to undeerstand what caused it at first.
[07:34] <ogra> you should have only come to #ubuntu-boot as advised on the mailing list
[07:35] <ogra> and would have fixed it within 10 mins :)
[07:35] <ogra> but that was fixed ages ago ...
[07:35] <Erlang> I might have used the wrong channel.  I did not get much support from IRC.  In fact, I remember providing support to some people wanting to install Xgl.
[07:37] <G0SUB> Erlang how did you fix your issue?
[07:37] <G0SUB> ogra what's the standard procedure to fix such problems?
[07:38] <ogra> G0SUB, follow the development very closely ;)
[07:38] <G0SUB> heh
[07:38] <ogra> ususally if we have expected brakage like that one, it gets annunced in advance
[07:38] <Erlang> GOSUB: Booted from breezy rescue, installed udev and many other packages, fiddled wit the config a bit, and dpkg-reconfigured my kernels several times.  That's all I remember.
[07:38] <G0SUB> ogra is any such breakage expected now?
[07:38] <Erlang> ogra: I'm guilty of not following closely enough.  I'm rather new to this.  I'll certainly be more wary.
[07:38] <ogra> G0SUB, also dont upgrade to a development release to early in the cycle ...
[07:39] <G0SUB> ok
[07:39] <G0SUB> but today? I am dist-upgrading today
[07:39] <ogra> we usually rip everything apart in the beginning and glue it together again :)
[07:39] <ogra> we're near the end land past most freezes, upgrade should be fine nowadays
[07:40] <ogra> s/land/and
[07:40] <G0SUB> ok
[07:40] <Erlang> I upgraded just after UVF I think.
[07:55] <dholbach> hrm, we still have no new motu report in place :-/
[07:55] <ogra> who was up to do it ?
[07:55] <ogra> or better, was anyone up to do it ?
[07:56] <dholbach> whoooooo, it's the BIRTHDAY ISSUE
[07:57] <ajmitch> hm?
[07:57] <ajmitch> whose birthday?
[07:57] <dholbach> MOTU REPORT
[07:57] <ajmitch> ok
[07:57] <dholbach> and MOTU is just a bit older :)
[07:57] <ajmitch> has much been happening in the MOTU world lately?
[07:58] <dholbach> sure
[08:02] <dholbach> "has much been happening in the MOTU world lately?" is not exactly cheery :)
[08:03] <ajmitch> sure, but it's mainly been more of the same - more bugfixing :)
[08:03] <ajmitch> sometimes no news is good news :)
[08:03] <LaserJock> lol, true
[08:03] <dholbach> hrm
[08:03] <LaserJock> but we did get some new MOTUs ;-)
[08:04] <bddebian> dholbach: Hi Daniel :-)
[08:04] <dholbach> hi bddebian
[08:04] <bddebian> :-)
[08:05] <ogra> dholbach, bddebian is back, isnt that worth an erntry in the motu report ? :)
[08:05] <bddebian> Not hardly, unless I get my ass in gear :-)
[08:06] <Mithrandir> consider it encouragement to do so? :-)
[08:07] <ajmitch> dholbach: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/34799
[08:07] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34799 in f-spot "UVF Exception: 0.1.10 -> 0.1.11" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[08:07] <ajmitch> :)
[08:08] <bddebian> Mithrandir: :-)
[08:32] <G0SUB> bddebian hello!
[08:33] <LaserJock> is there any reasons for a package build to fail in soyuz but work in a pbuilder?
[08:34] <LaserJock> they should be essentially the same, right?
[08:35] <bddebian> Hello G0SUB
[08:35] <G0SUB> bddebian you might know me ... I used to be GNULinuxer ;)
[08:36] <bddebian> Ah nice. :-)  I REALLY should change my nick :-)
[08:36] <G0SUB> bddebian hehe
[08:36] <ogra> bdubuntu ?
[08:36] <bddebian> bdhurd ;-P
[08:36] <ogra> pfft
[08:37] <ogra> not unless you ported ubuntu to it
[08:37] <G0SUB> bddebian hehe ...
[08:37] <slomo> LaserJock: which package is it? something that uses scons?
[08:37] <bddebian> bdworthlessass? :-)
[08:37] <LaserJock> slomo: yes, supercollider
[08:37] <ajmitch> patron saint of lost causes ;)
[08:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hahaha
[08:37] <LaserJock> lol
[08:38] <slomo> LaserJock: talk to a buildd admin about it... afaik all scons stuff fails on the buildds
[08:38] <LaserJock> slomo: hmmm, ok. That stinks.
[08:38] <LaserJock> slomo: thanks for the heads up
[08:38] <ajmitch> slomo: thanks for UVF :)
[08:39] <slomo> LaserJock: it's the same for ardour iirc
[08:39] <slomo> ajmitch: np ;)
[08:39] <LaserJock> slomo: at least it isn't just me. I was starting to wonder if something was screwy with my pbuilder
[08:41] <phanatic> hi people
[08:41] <LaserJock> hi phanatic
[08:41] <phanatic> hey LaserJock
[08:42] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[08:45] <phanatic> hi bddebian
[09:20] <netzmeister> re
[09:20] <phanatic> hi netzmeister
[09:21] <netzmeister> hi phanatic
[09:41] <lucas> sbody up for a tetrinet ?
[09:41] <LaserJock> hi lucas
[09:41] <lucas> hi lakin :)
[09:41] <lucas> oops
[09:41] <lucas> LaserJock:
[09:42] <lucas> I really hate xchat's completion mode
[09:42] <LaserJock> me too
[09:43] <LaserJock> lucas: I was tweaking my script for MOTU Science that uses mdt. I was wondering how you pick out just Universe/Multiverse packages?
[09:44] <lucas> you could select by section using grep-dctrl
[09:45] <LaserJock> lucas: can you grep for more than one thing with grep-dctrl
[09:46] <LaserJock> lucas: I just did it in two steps and then used mdt filter
[09:46] <lucas> I dunno
[09:47] <LaserJock> well, anyway I got something that works
[09:47] <LaserJock> although I couldn't get a fresh bzr branch to work
[09:48] <lucas> ah ?
[09:48] <LaserJock> something wasn't working in versions2html.rb
[09:49] <LaserJock> I think it gave an error having to do with net/http
[09:51] <lucas> where are you running it ?
[09:52] <lucas> tiber ?
[09:52] <LaserJock> oh, and debian/control should have a dep on grep-dctrl I think
[09:52] <LaserJock> lucas: no, on my local machine
[09:52] <lucas> you need to install libopenssl-ruby
[09:52] <lucas> well, debian/control needs updating :-)
[09:52] <lucas> lots of deps missing
[09:52] <lucas> feel free to work on that if you feel like it
[09:54] <LaserJock> but I couldn't figure out if the "net/http" problem was because of a dep
[09:54] <lucas> probably: it requires libopenssl-ruby to be able to fetch https:// urls
[09:55] <LaserJock> yeah, I don't have that
[10:08] <lucas> doing ubuntu work is sometimes impressively frustrating.
[10:08] <phanatic> lucas: what do you mean?
[10:09] <LaserJock> lucas: ah, libopenssl-ruby fixed it. now it works
[10:10] <lucas> I'm just trying to build librmagick-ruby on ubuntu. it build-depends on cdbs >= 0.4.33 because 0.4.33 fixed debian bug #284231.
[10:10] <Ubugtu> debian bug 284231 in cdbs "dpatch-edit-patch doesn't work" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/284231
[10:10] <lucas> cdbs in ubuntu has diverged a lot and is 0.4.32ubuntu13.
[10:11] <lucas> I can't work on an updated version because the base version (0.4.32) is no longer available anywhere (broken morgue)
[10:11] <dholbach> what are you trying to do now?
[10:11] <lucas> so I can't determine what's changed
[10:11] <lucas> I dunno yet
[10:12] <lucas> I could try to backport the change to cdbs anyway, making it diverge even more
[10:13] <lucas> or I could change librmagick-ruby build system to make it compatible with the buggy cdbs
[10:13] <dholbach> if that's enough to depress you, then file a bug about cdbs
[10:13] <lucas> i'm the debian maintainer for librmagick-ruby, so it's quite strange to have to divert my own packages :)
[10:15] <dholbach> I'd try to focus on making stuff work, not on not creating diversion - maybe that helps :)
[10:17] <lucas> then, the only way to fix this would be to merge the new debian version, which fixes a lot of bugs
[10:17] <lucas> but merging cdbs 0.4.32ubuntu*13* and cdbs 0.4.36 without 0.4.32 doesn't look like something easy to do
[10:18] <dholbach> then just change your package
[10:18] <dholbach> and file a bug
[10:18] <dholbach> i mean forward the bug to launchpad
[10:19] <lucas> I filed the bug, will wait for a few days and see what happens
[10:20] <lucas> ah, I could just override the rule in debian/rules. will do that.
[10:22] <Kyral> arg
[10:22] <Kyral> this laptop is configured for Debian Sid lol
[10:24] <LaserJock> Kyral: and that is a problem?
[10:24] <Kyral> No
[10:24] <Kyral> I was suggetsing it for cleanup of the tree :P
[10:25] <Kyral> whoops wrong chan
[10:25] <Kyral> damn you LJ lol
[10:26] <Kyral> I thought you said that in #ubuntu-doc
[10:47] <BBDG|brb> does anyone know if there is there an aol dialer that will run on breezy badger?
[11:17] <dholbach> night guys
[11:17] <phanatic> nite dholbach
[11:18] <dholbach> night phanatic
[11:40] <sivang> any MOTU here for a sponsered upload?
[11:41] <LaserJock> what do you need?
[11:41] <sivang> LaserJock: first upload of HomeUserBackup, in accordance with mdz's approval to upload it to other people could help me finish it.
[11:42] <sivang> LaserJock: would also appricaite if you could check it;'s building in pbuilder, and installs and runs under a clean chroot which I don't poses at the momnet.
[11:42] <LaserJock> sivang: is it on REVU?
[11:43] <sivang> LaserJock: nope , is not. must I put it through REVU before?
[11:43] <sivang> LaserJock: and if this is a must, what do I need in order to upload to REVU?
[11:43] <LaserJock> sivang: you don't have to but it is easier for people to check it out, etc.
[11:44] <LaserJock> sivang: check out wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU for more info.
[11:45] <LaserJock> sivang: I don't know if I have time right now to do that in-depth of a check. If you give me a URL for the source package I can at least take a glance at it.
[11:45] <sivang> LaserJock: sirestart signed my key at UBZ, but not sure I have had the oppurtunity to sign his since them. will this be a problem for uploaidng to REVU?
[11:45] <sivang> LaserJock: sure, will do
[11:46] <LaserJock> sivang: you just need to send a signed email to keyring@tiber.tauware.de if your key is uploaded to the the ubuntu key server already
[11:47] <sivang> LaserJock: ah okay, cool.
[11:55] <sivang> LaserJock: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/upbs/
[11:56] <sivang> LaserJock: I wonder if I need have .orig.tar.gz for a full source upload, as it was not created as I carried the build process. let me know if this is an issue.
[11:57] <sivang> LaserJock: if you're busy, I coudl ask some other people for a review
[11:57] <LaserJock> um, yeah. we need the .orig.tar.gz . you need to add -sa to debuild or dpkg-buildpackage or whatever you are using to build the source package :-)
[11:58] <Spec> heya sivang