=== P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.122.32] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === StR [n=str@66.201.182.147] has joined #edubuntu === benjamindaines [n=benjamin@pool-71-242-108-123.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:46] Hello, I'm having some trouble getting my Mac to connect to an SMB share on my ubuntu box. I type in the IP address and it brings up the window to type in the Workgroup, Name, and PassWord (I enter in my username and password and click OK) then I gives me an error saying that the user name or password is incorrect. I have tried many times so I know it's not me typeing badly. Any ideas? --Much Thanks [03:47] Here are the steps I have taken in setting up the SMB share: [03:47] First I right click the folder and select share folder, then the window comes up and I select SMB, in the name feild I type "Linux", I leave the comment feild blank and leave the read only box and the allow browsing folder unchecked, then I click "Generate windows sharing settings", for host / description I leave what comes up and type Linx into the Doman / Workgroup blank, I leave it as do not use WINS server and [03:47] click out of both windows === iGotNoTime [i=iGotNoTi@cpe-65-189-240-134.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === P47|LL0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.122.72] has joined #edubuntu [04:21] Hi guys :) [04:21] I fear I will be coming back to you very soon :) [04:21] I forgot how bad XP during my week with you === dswillia [n=me@adsl-70-135-6-65.dsl.tulsok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:23] evening all [04:28] hello dswillia [04:28] dswillia are you new here? [04:29] I am :) [04:38] i am too === iGotNoTime [n=iGotNoTi@cpe-24-210-183-207.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:47] Is Edubuntu slower in development than Ubuntu in any ways? [04:56] i couldnt tell you, just found this tonight [04:58] I have had it on for a week and it is sexy [04:58] but I have only used Xandros as comparison [05:08] are you using the ltsp option? [05:21] negative [05:21] sorry for delay digging deep into google for answers [05:22] I am toying with the idea for my kids' computer though [05:29] yeah i am downloading the live cd now, I have a 3 year old I would like to test it [05:32] yes very safe! [05:32] I have live cd for my kids and they use a USB drive for their personal files and bookmarks [05:32] works wonderfully [05:33] I just wish there was a linux for kids, preloaded with TONS of games and educational apps [05:34] no desktop, just a nice webpage like interface [05:35] Hell I would and I am certain that many others would be willing to even pay a donation rate for something that simple on a live disc. Then even single computer homes would have no fear in letting the kids play [05:36] it is sad that there is not much profit in the kids computing or we would certainly have many options along that route [05:41] yeah that would be wonderful === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [06:14] morning high voltage :) === C-O-L-T [n=icechat5@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [06:17] in Edubuntu is installing KDE as simple as the marking the package for installation via Synaptic? [06:17] or are there a bunch of libraries and compiling needed? [06:18] morning iGotNoTime [06:18] yep, it's pretty easy. [06:18] no compiling needed. [06:18] wow [06:18] who is this Synaptic guy? [06:19] he is smart :) [06:19] he's the middle man between you, apt and dpkg [06:19] dpkg does most of the hard work. apt does a lot of the automation. Synaptic is your agent :) [06:19] I like him, almost too much [06:20] yeah, apt and dpkg are really nice guys too [06:20] doesn't he kind of spit in the face of the 'do it yourself' motto that linux has alway mainatined so well though? [06:20] it just takes a bit longer to get to know them. [06:20] i don't know if that's a real linux motto though, some people are just a bit extreme. [06:21] I mean it is as easy (maybe easier) than Microsoft now [06:21] DYI stuff tends to be hacky sometimes. [06:21] not that there's something wronge with hacky, but when you work on big production systems, a good, automated process is always better than when everyone does their own thing. [06:21] yes, it is easier than with installing software on windows. [06:22] technical question... I was very upset that my drive were unmounted and I did nothing, then I remembered that I did allow it to do an automatic update, could that have caused the drives to unmount? [06:22] MS is working on MSI to get it as good as APT, but it will never be the same. [06:22] APT is awesome, one of my favorite thing in Linux [06:23] mostly because of the licensing of most windows software [06:23] yep. [06:23] see, they have hindered themselves in so many ways it is unrepairable [06:23] all in the name of money [06:23] sealed their own fate in many ways [06:23] i think they can fix windows, but it wouldn't justify the cost. [06:24] I think it is funny to count all the distros in comparison [06:24] they've explained before that they wouldn't add a feature or fix a bug unless it will directly bring in money. [06:24] but now we're going off-topix [06:24] yes sorry :) [06:24] are gdesklets nearly dead? [06:25] I have a couple but most will not work because I have read that the newer gdesklets no longer work with sensors [06:25] most of mine are sensor based, and giving errors upon load [06:26] with Edubuntu do you have a suggestion for a few widgets? [06:26] a suggestion for an engine I mean [06:28] i don't know, i use gdesklets now and again [06:28] and lastly the Wiki has 8658 pages but not one mention of the word 'donate', where can we donate to the fine project? [06:28] superkaramba is big on KDE, it seems [06:29] superkaramba is again another simple click in Synaptic you suppose? [06:29] yep :) [06:29] and donation? [06:30] here's one of my screenshots with gdesklets: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/25MAR05 [06:30] here's another: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/12AUG05 [06:30] sexy [06:31] All Gdesklets only? [06:31] yep [06:31] can they be configured to only show on one desktop? [06:32] i don't think so [06:32] not sure. [06:32] ok :) [06:32] at the moment my desktop is very clean: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/gartublu [06:33] Yes I prefer mine clean like that usually, I am really just looking for a single widget LOL [06:33] sounds kinda dumb I know [06:34] nothing wrong with toying around, i think === konfuzed [n=Konf@H211.C18.B96.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #edubuntu === emxsi [n=chatzill@210.5.70.244] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan is now known as sm|lunch === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.122.72] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@241-170.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === sm|lunch is now known as sankarshan === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [10:38] ogra, ping! [10:38] highvoltage, hi [10:38] pips1, pong [10:38] hey, ogra :-) [10:38] I downloaded flight5 and want to test it [10:38] cool :) [10:39] however, last time i tried with flight4 I failed miserably, so I was hoping I could run some questions by you, as I go along [10:39] sure [10:39] hi pips1 [10:39] do you want to test the workstation again ? it should be relatively flawless [10:40] first, let me tell you what went wrong: I don't have internet connection, and the keymap is 'us' insted of swiss-german... [10:40] no, I want to test a server setup [10:40] I have two nics [10:40] the mainboard nic, and an older pci nic [10:40] I'm at home, with a adsl hardware router... [10:41] I think I did some mistakes during setup... ie. i didn't enter the right values for gateway, proxy and whatnot [10:42] you dont need two nics to test the server :) [10:42] we only configure one during install anyway :) [10:42] first question: what nic should I use for the internet connection, the slower 100 or the faster Gigabit-nic? [10:42] oh [10:43] there is no german langpack on the CD currently ... you either need network or install the langpacks with the language selector afterwards [10:43] (which also requires network) [10:43] I see, so this affects the keyboard map, too, then [10:43] we're out of space on the CD [10:43] ic [10:43] did you select it in the installer ? [10:43] so basically, if I manage to get network, I'll be fine === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [10:44] you should have the right map during install and in X afterwards [10:44] yep [10:44] I decided to test the new options on the very first screen, ie F5 keymap... [10:45] yep [10:45] since that feature is new, i decided to test it :-) [10:45] it should give you the right keymap in the installer [10:46] I don't remember if it was the right keymap during installer, since i didn't use any umlauts, etc. but the keymap is definitely wrong on the desktop... [10:46] well and in the console [10:47] I had problems with the keymap during the breezy beta testing too, filed a bug report, did lots of interactive debugging with a gnome guy (svu) and finally a fix went in, before the breezy release :-) [10:47] but now, I get the same prob again, even worse... I can't even switch kaymap layout with the gnome panel selector anymore :-/ [10:48] what is that gnome settings utility called again? [10:48] you need to use the language selector [10:48] and install the missing langpack [10:48] oh [10:49] ok [10:49] ic [10:49] ok, let me try a new install with flight5 and see that I get the internet network access working [10:49] language-support-gnome-de or something like that has the keymaps [10:50] ah [10:51] ok, should i take out the second nic, since it's not configured during install? question: how do I get internet access if I only have 1 nic? [10:51] set it to an ip from your lan [10:51] and use the right data ... [10:52] right... my adsl-router has built-in dhcp, so how do I set a right ip? [10:53] you know your ip range, dont you ? [10:53] nope === pips1 blusing === pips1 blushing [10:54] :) [10:54] but youre online currently :) just look it up ... add +1 in the end and thats it :) [10:54] oh [10:54] ok [10:55] sorry, i'm a bit distracted by the dapper delay meeting currently running ... [10:55] ah, ok [10:55] I'm amazed how good you developers are at multi-tasking, anyway :-) [10:56] heh, scrollback is a big advantage you dont have in RL :) [10:56] hehe [10:57] ogra: i scroll back in real life. it's real annoying to everyone else though :) [10:57] heh [10:57] sorry, I still don't quite understand how I will be able to do a server setup with internet access if I only use one nic... one nic should connect to my router and the other should connect to a switch where I will plug the thin clients into, no? [10:58] yes [10:58] ok, so I will use both nics, then :-) [10:59] but since we assume a standalone server without internet access, only the first nic is set up [10:59] and it works fine without a second one, even as server :) [10:59] should I get some system info from the running flight4 setup, before I do the flight5 install, like getting some info on the nics or something? [10:59] additionally you cant run two dhcp servers in the same net ... [10:59] oh [10:59] (you can but thats very high level stuff) [11:00] the problem is, if I don't have internet access for the server, I won't be able to install all those language packs, etc [11:01] so how do I best proceed? [11:02] ogra: i'm looking for dspesd, it suppose to be part of esound but can't find it in any package [11:02] you give a fixed ip that matches your LAN settings and use the dsl modem ip as gateway ... [11:02] ogra: I need it (and probably need to patch esound as well) to have proper sound on the thinclients with wine applications. [11:02] spacey, esound-clients i think ... but beware it will crash your firefox [11:02] why is that? [11:03] because new firefox cant use LD_PRELOAD mechanisms anymore [11:03] ephipany won't have that problem i hope? [11:03] hi JaneW. very busy in #ubuntu-meeting? [11:03] thinking about switching away from firefox anyway on the terminal server. [11:04] seems to it has some printing bug [11:04] when i print from gnome application it works fine [11:04] but some users print a job and it gets send to the printer and cups doesn't process any jobs anymore [11:05] and everytime they try to print a webpage [11:05] highvoltage: yup, rather [11:05] highvoltage: need something? [11:05] but still figuring that out for sure, have cups on debug now [11:05] ogra, how do i find out the dsl modem gateway ip? [11:06] JaneW: nothing urgent, can wait til later [11:06] highvoltage: great, thanks [11:06] highvoltage: 30 mins or so, or till meeting is over... [11:07] ogra, does the dsl modem just have *one* ip, that I can use as a gateway for my edubuntu server? (there is an ip mentioned in the dsl router handbook that is used to configure the routher via a web form) [11:07] yep, that should be the same ip [11:07] ok [11:08] if i do an ifconfig on my laptop I get 192.168.0.2 , so you say I should use e.g. 192.168.0.3 as my server ip? [11:10] ogra, (my laptop is getting it's ip from the router's dhcp, of course) [11:11] yep [11:11] and i bet 192.168.0.1 as gateway [11:12] in the handbook of the dsl routher it says t 192.168.1.1 === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:14] look at your route settings of the laptop [11:14] (type route) [11:14] ah, thanks [11:14] indeed, there it reads 192.168.0.1 [11:15] but then again, something seems wrong with that, ie. my internet access on the laptop seems very slow, as if it is re-routing every time I access a web page, or do any internet access, for that matter... === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.221] has joined #edubuntu [11:16] ogra, is there a possibility that the ubuntu network defaults aren't 100% ok for my router setup? how could I investigate to find out? [11:17] there are no "defaults" you set everything manually ... [11:17] ogra, http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=2369370 [11:18] ogra, if we want we get from igel thinclients to test if they runs with edubuntu [11:18] ogra, not in the plain *ubuntu* installation, though, which is what i use on the laptop [11:18] juliux, cool [11:18] ogra, but we have to give them back after 30 days [11:18] guys, i'm trying to follow a heavy traffic meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, please lets do it later [11:18] :-( [11:18] ok [11:18] ogra, ok [11:19] thanks [11:19] it just goes wild there ... (200 ppl) [11:19] now 201 ppl ;-) [11:21] :) === juliux is now known as juliux|cebit [11:38] ogra, what is TB that was mentioned? [11:38] technical board [11:38] tech board [11:38] meeting at 20:00 UTC tonight [11:40] juliux|cebit, waer es moeglich den Xgl mist auszuraeumen ? dapper wird definitiv nicht Xgl unterstuetzen [11:41] (wird aber ueberall geschrieben) [11:41] koennt ihr dass n bisschen propagieren ? [11:41] machen wir [11:41] wir sagen das jedes mal das es eine option ist und nicht mehr [11:41] da hat heise scheie gebaut === ogra wuesste gern wer das aufgebracht hat ... sogar heise hatte es [11:41] yep [11:41] whoops, sorry for the german :) [11:41] heise hat es ist drin und es wird defaultmig installiert durch ein ander gebracht [11:42] its really cute :) [11:42] its not even ready for usage [11:42] ogra, i know [11:42] and i doubt it will be before dapper+2 [11:42] ogra, but heise has read that it is in universe and then they thinked that it is installed by default in ubuntu [11:42] yep, i saw te article [11:43] we only said heise that we show flight4 at the cebit [11:43] not more [11:43] if suse really delivers with it, they'll get *baaad* press [11:44] i know that it isnt good that everybody think that xgl is in dapper [11:44] yup ... i just saw the "derstandard.at" article [11:44] but we say everybody that he there is no support for xgl and that it isnt stable [11:45] the problem is that the everybody copied what heise write [11:45] and they didnt aske us [11:45] d [11:46] yep [11:47] ogra, something seems wrong with the default gateway ip on my laptop, ie. my internet access seems very slow, as if it is re-routing every time I access a web page, or do any internet access, for that matter... is there a possibility that the (plain) *ubuntu* network defaults aren't 100% ok for my router setup? how could I investigate to find out? I really would like to get my network settings right, for both ubuntu laptop and edubuntu se [11:47] rver... [11:47] the plain ubuntu settings are what your routers dhcpd gives out ... [11:47] ogra, we have make a article for the press but we dont write that it xgl works by default [11:48] aha [11:48] ogra, we only said that you can installe it in dapper === highvoltage warps back into edubuntu land [11:48] juliux|cebit, write that xgl preview packages are to be found in the unsupported area but not expected to work or something [11:49] ogra, i will talk with our press people that he correct that [11:49] ogra, ok, I'll just go with those ip & gateway values and see how it goes :-) [11:49] :) [11:51] ogra, i will send you the text [11:52] ogra, i think you have the text already [11:52] i have 400 mails waiting ... let me get through it :) [11:53] ogra, i will send it now to you [11:53] thanks [11:55] ogra, is there any specific hardware or network information you recommend I should get, before I do the flight5 installation? [11:56] what should I use for name server and proxy (I assume I don't have a proxy, anyway)? [11:57] dont use one then .... [11:58] grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf [11:58] ^^^ on your lappie [11:58] ah thanks! :-) [11:59] same as gateway (192.168.0.1) [12:00] :) [12:00] (I'll try the swiss-german keymap setting in F5 and watch out whether that works during install) [12:01] you can switch to console 2 and test it ;) [12:01] (during install) === pips1 ripps out the second nic, since it's not needed. [12:01] ok, thanks for the tip [12:01] just make sure to switch off dhcp on the router if you want to test ltsp ... [12:02] else you'll get a mess [12:02] oh, darn, that might be a problem, since I don't seem to remember the router's passw just now... grumble... [12:03] so I'll need to give my laptop a static ip during my testing with the server, i take it... === pips1 is going disable the dhcp on the router === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-209-160.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === ravi1 [n=ravi1@202.3.112.9] has joined #edubuntu === juliux|cebit is now known as juliux === jinty [n=jinty@97.Red-83-58-116.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@195.216.81.229] has joined #edubuntu [02:54] ogra, my testing will have to wait till thurs, had to get a new passw from my isp :-| thanks for all the answers, though :-) [02:55] no problem ... come back on thu if you need more info :) === piller [n=piller@piller64.sns.ornl.gov] has joined #edubuntu === bobulator [n=NRKbob@host-87-75-129-152.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:14] hey hey [03:15] anyone got any ideas why my soundblaster audigy isnt working? ive tried pretty much everything i can find on tinternet. [03:15] it worked before we moved the computer into a new case... === guim is now known as claroline_ === claroline_ is now known as guim === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === alistair [n=tsurc@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has joined #edubuntu === alistair [n=tsurc@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === alistair [n=julius@skegnessgrammar.plus.com] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-209-160.tpgi.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] [04:40] hum... well i tried all the posts in edubuntu-devel. But it seems that dapper has a problem with Optiplex GX1 sound cards anyway. [04:41] but at least irc's been allowed through our firewall now === C-O-L-T [n=icechat5@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [04:46] I'll try it wih a C-Media 8738 pci [04:47] pci should work fine ... [04:48] you could try with MODULE= and the matching module/parameters, but i suspect the card needs initialization through pnp as well === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === StR [n=str@200.6.229.76] has joined #edubuntu [05:07] hi all! === NexGen [n=me@adsl-70-135-6-65.dsl.tulsok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:07] edubuntu does not fit in a 2G hard drive, right? [05:08] what are the requirements for edubuntu? [05:08] about 600MB more than ubuntu for the workstation, and bout 1G more for the default (ltsp server) install [05:08] (ubuntu takes ~2GB+) [05:09] yeh ha !! rythmbox and France Musique, not exactly my tast in music but its a thin client... and its making sweet music. [05:10] YAY [05:10] so the pci card worked then ? [05:10] yup sure did === ogra puts on his todo for dapper+1 to look into the ISA issue ... [05:11] just about to install hydrogen to really test it out with a drum machine. [05:11] heh [05:11] see if the head can hear me from down the hall... he he [05:11] our rhythmbox maintainer is french btw ... [05:12] if you have suggestions for ogg based internat radio in other langs, please make them :) [05:12] *internet [05:12] no really...... I would have never have guessed. but then I'm just happy I have sound [05:12] thanks for your help.... and your development time [05:13] youre welcome :) [05:13] its really appreciated [05:13] your feedback as well :) [05:13] err, you have the cs4236, correct? [05:13] crimsun, isa [05:14] yup... the headmaster can hear me ok. Oooops [05:14] snd-cs4236 in lts.conf may have been needed (along with isapnp=0 and the host of other module params) [05:14] crimsun I have places a C-Media pci card in the thin client to make it work [05:14] alistair: ok. I just read the edubuntu list a few minutes ago [05:14] crimsun, the MODULE= option is untested yet ... [05:15] so it might also be my fault it didnt work ... i'll do some testing before release (if i find an isa card in my big box) [05:15] I would be nice to get the onboard card to work but al least I have some knid of interim measure to go by [05:16] Next on the list is LDA and some better switches [05:16] for me at least === StR [n=str@200.6.229.76] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] [05:17] for LDA you need to refer to the ltsp.org wiki, we dont have support out of the box yet [05:20] one step a head with that. I remember asking a while back and was pointed here [05:20] http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS [05:21] I wanted to help test the sound first as I knew this was a reported feature of dapper. [05:22] yep [05:22] just out of curiosity ctrl+alt+f8 gives some messages [05:22] one moment and i'll jot the one down I'm thinking of [05:22] that are the bootmessages [05:22] they appear on tty8 === Vego is now known as VegozZZzz [05:25] ogra: do you currently get *any* sleep? :) [05:25] sure ... between 5 and 5:30 am ususally :P [05:26] geez [05:26] if we delay, i'll have plenty of time to do very relaxed bug triage :) [05:26] yes. [05:27] i think it's natural for people to have a mixed feeling about the delay. [05:27] in one way, people are hungry for dapper, on the other hand, people also want a top-quality distribution. [05:27] yeah, i'm not really happy about it, since we are so well on schedule this time [05:28] i also don't like the break in pattern, ie, the .04, .10, 04, .10 pattern. but ah well, that's how things go. [05:28] the delay will mean at least that we'll be able to put in a better edubuntu into our tuxlabs, which i'm happy about, on the other hand. [05:29] it also gives me a better chance to test things. [05:29] yep [05:29] when we put Ubuntu into the tuxlabs, i had less than a day to test it. [05:30] it meant fixing a *lot* of things afterwards, especially considering that i only had about a week to automate the installation, including ltsp, and a bunch of other stuff. [05:30] if the freeze dates get postponed as well, that would give us a chance to have at least proper packages for LDA ... [05:30] (even if not integrated, it would make everything easier) [05:30] edubuntu provides a chance to make the tuxlabs installations less hacky, and very smooth and clean, technically speaking. [05:31] what is LDA again? [05:31] local device access [05:31] OOH! [05:31] :) [05:31] ltspfs and ltspfsd are pretty outdated in the archive ... lbus isnt packaged at all === highvoltage suddenly feels a bigger shift in favour of the postponement [05:31] (and we wont use lbus in our implementation) [05:32] highvoltage, dont get me wrong you still have to set up the scripts yourself ... [05:32] would you use ltspfs in the ubuntu implementation? [05:32] well, just some more steps toward LDA would already be nice, even if it takes some manual work. [05:33] brb- dinner [05:33] i'm not sure about ltspfs yet [05:40] got that message.. Its right after *loading hardware [05:40] udevd-event[1684] run_program: '/lib/udev/iftab_helper' exited abnormaly [05:40] that exactly is ltspfs? i've only seen a reference to it for the first time on #ltsp the other day. === highvoltage googles [05:40] then it goes on to the same thing but 1686 [05:41] never had a boot on the client without it. [05:42] alistair, it cant initialize the interface, because it up already due to netbooting ;) [05:42] its just cosmetic and you wont see it as a normal user due to usplash [05:42] ah... nowt to worry about then? [05:42] nope :) [05:44] what about WARNING: /var/cache/man could not be found, WARNING: /etc/hotplug/.run could not be found, WARNING: /var/lib/xfree86 could not be found [05:45] other than that everthing else looks cool and dandy [05:45] man pages aren't installed in chroot :) [05:45] fairy snuf [05:46] also cosmetic and hidden by the bootsplash, but i'll check how to make it more quite [05:46] alistair: i got rid of that warning by 'chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ; mkdir /var/cache/man' [05:46] i could put that into ltsp-build-client :) [05:47] would there be any reason for ommiting it. Say clever first years *king up a system [05:47] by reading too man mans [05:47] ogra: :) [05:47] many mans [05:47] alistair: the ltsp chroot is kept as small as possible [05:48] you dont use the thin client chroot at all [05:48] you only log in to the server ... [05:48] alistair: under normal circumstances, you'd never need to read man pages in the chroot [05:49] my understanding of ltsp just when up. [05:50] again [05:50] ;) [05:52] home time... woo hoo, see yall when i get home..... (if the wife's not in a mood again :) ) [05:53] heh [05:53] infact the boss has sound now so I think I'll take a night off.sound like a good idea? [05:53] sure :) === ogra knows how that feels :) [05:54] have a good evening, alistair [05:54] alistair: btw, where do live? [05:54] Thanks for all your help orga, highvoltage. [05:54] Skendleby, Lincolnshire [05:54] UK [05:55] bloody cold at the moment, been snowing on and off all day [05:55] nice. good timezone :) [05:55] where you from? [05:55] south africa, autumn is creeping in here atm. [05:57] always fancied going on holiday to africa, just a bit scared of flying. You can't even get my wife within 5 miles of an airport! [05:57] so i think i'd have no chance [05:58] See ya.. === piller [n=piller@piller64.sns.ornl.gov] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [06:03] i asked mdz at the edubuntu summit about nbd and local devices. at that stage he seemed open to the idea of using nbd, i quite like nbd too, i just can't think of good ways to keep it secure. [06:04] thats my idea too ... i wanted to look deeper int ndb ... [06:05] and into unionfs so you can transparently mount /dev/nbdX on top of /dev/cdrom or something ... === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-135-92.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ere [n=ere@62.80-202-181.nextgentel.com] has joined #edubuntu [06:16] unionfs has so many applications, it's amazing. [06:16] yep [06:17] the cool thing is, if you can do it on this level, hal and g-v-m will just pick it up, show the icon on the desktop etc ... === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:17] no extra patching required [06:17] wow, nice [06:17] the ltspfs variant requires a lot of changes [06:17] i also want to use unionfs in the chroot for diskless fat clients. [06:17] ltspfs looks a bit hacky, to be honest. [06:18]