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| toma_ | hey allee | 12:16 |
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| allee | hi toma!! | 12:16 |
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| allee | toma: how was your weekend? | 12:17 |
| toma | great | 12:18 |
| toma | i went to the zoo on saterday | 12:18 |
| toma | it was cold, but got some nice pictures | 12:18 |
| toma | and yours? still stressy? | 12:19 |
| allee | toma: yeah. but I hope that this week is the last one | 12:20 |
| mornfall | good night | 12:35 |
| toma | night | 12:36 |
| Lure | good night | 12:37 |
| toma | night | 12:37 |
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| Riddell | amarok beta 2 testing needed deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta2/ dapper main | 01:42 |
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| robotgeek | Riddell: great job on the bootup splash, it looks groovy | 02:33 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: is amarok available on ppc too?? | 02:34 |
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| Hobbsee | freeflying: hey :) | 07:22 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: hi | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | i got your mail | 07:22 |
| seaLne | hmm todays daily ppc live is 718Mb even now i have some 700Mb cdrws i don't think i could test that | 07:27 |
| seaLne | ah its been too big for a few days | 07:27 |
| seaLne | bah i was wanting to check it | 07:28 |
| freeflying | seaLne: sure you can | 07:28 |
| seaLne | how? | 07:28 |
| robotgeek | 718 mb is burnable, i think | 07:30 |
| seaLne | weird there seem to be a lack of non ppc dailys | 07:30 |
| freeflying | seaLne: k3b--> configure k3b -->writeing | 07:30 |
| seaLne | ok i'll download and see if it fits when i get into work | 07:30 |
| freeflying | seaLne: -->advance-->allow overburn | 07:31 |
| seaLne | ta | 07:33 |
| seaLne | maybe too early in the day for other builds? | 07:34 |
| seaLne | espresso isn't in the kubuntu dailys yet is it? | 07:37 |
| freeflying | seaLne: it dose | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | darn it! i'm going to miss the meeting in a few hours! | 07:49 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: it's 9:00 UTC , 2 hrs left | 07:50 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: yes, i leave in around half an hour, maybe a little more.. | 07:50 |
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| seaLne | or wait 11 hours for the second one ;) | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | yes, 4am | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh well | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | it's not like it's a kubuntu meeting | 07:52 |
| seaLne | you are +10? | 07:53 |
| === seaLne is useless with timezones | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | i dunno...might be +11 | 07:53 |
| seaLne | 06:53 < Hobbsee> i dunno...might be +11 | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | but the 20UTC meetings always start at 7am for me (ouch, hehe!), so therefore 18UTC will be 5am | 07:54 |
| seaLne | ah | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i have UTC on kclock | 07:54 |
| === _Sime could really use some extra time to debug... | ||
| Hobbsee | enjoy the meeting everyone! | 08:37 |
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| AgarFu | hi | 10:14 |
| seaLne | mornfall: would it be possible in adept when it encounters an error to prompt and try to run apt-get -f install or dpkg-(thing which i can never remember as i only type it when it telle me to) | 10:18 |
| seaLne | i'm not sure how often when dapper is stable that there will be install problems but atm i'm getting them nearly each day, but they sort them selves easily enough | 10:19 |
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| mornfall | seaLne: dpkg --configure -a | 10:31 |
| mornfall | seaLne: well, possibly | 10:31 |
| seaLne | just a thought | 10:32 |
| seaLne | anyone else tried recent ppc live? it booted without X then since typing startx it has stayed blank and not doing anything | 10:47 |
| robotgeek | seaLne: i'll try it tomorow | 10:47 |
| seaLne | i'll try yesterdays | 10:48 |
| robotgeek | i have slightly slow connection, ittakes a while to download | 10:48 |
| seaLne | the new usplash actually looks not bad on it | 10:50 |
| seaLne | original tibook | 10:52 |
| robotgeek | it looks very nice on my ibook | 10:52 |
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| verwilst | yoyo | 11:41 |
| mornfall | lala | 11:43 |
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| Hobbsee | crud!!!!! | 12:11 |
| ubijtsa | Hobbsee: missed the meeting? :) | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | ubijtsa: well i did, and i knew that was going to happen - but i just got an email back to say that my assignment didnt compile on the computers at the uni... | 12:20 |
| ubijtsa | oops | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | it compiles here!!! | 12:22 |
| ubijtsa | Hobbsee: C, ADA, C++, Fortran? | 12:22 |
| Hobbsee | ubijtsa: c++ | 12:22 |
| ubijtsa | hmm.. different compiler perhaps | 12:23 |
| ubijtsa | gcc-4.0 vs gcc-3.3 | 12:23 |
| ubijtsa | well, g++ anyways | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | i dont know - the other file, which is almost a copy of the first, compiles fine both here and at the uni | 12:25 |
| ubijtsa | what does diff -b tell you? | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | in regards to the file? no idea | 12:32 |
| Hobbsee | i'll just have to check if it compiles on the uni computers, and reupload, and ask them to re-auto-mark | 12:32 |
| Hobbsee | might have to bend their arms a bit :P | 12:32 |
| Hobbsee | but i'll be really peeved if it doesnt compile on their system for marking, if it compiles on the uni computers | 12:33 |
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| miguev | hi :) | 12:37 |
| AgarFu | hi | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | hey | 12:38 |
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| === Hobbsee attempts to get knetworkmanager from svn | ||
| Hobbsee | we'll see how far i get... | 01:33 |
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| AgarFu | Riddell are you there? | 01:55 |
| AgarFu | Riddell is there any documentation about dbfilter? | 02:09 |
| === Hobbsee_ notices that there's a snapshot of knetworkmanager - wonder if it's any good...trying it out... | ||
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| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: where is the snapshot ? | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying-ibook: it's on planetsuse | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | i couldnt get it to work - it died on makeinstall | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | and i'm having trouble grabbing the cvs from kde.org | 02:20 |
| === freeflying-ibook seems I'd like have a try | ||
| Hobbsee | freeflying-ibook: you need http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=125150&highlight=network+manager first, Riddell said | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | then compile knetworkmanager from there | 02:24 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: thx | 02:25 |
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| Hobbsee | ewww...it's gnome! | 02:33 |
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| Hobbsee__ | freeflying-ibook: ping | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | hmm | 02:43 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: pong | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying-ibook: on gnome at the moment - networkmanager works quite well on it | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | if you figure out knetworkmanager, better still, can create a .tar.bz2 of a working source, then that'd be cool | 02:44 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: I prefer to knetworkmanager :) | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | huh? | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | i'd prefer knetworkmanager over networkmanager too | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | i might get lucky lol... | 02:45 |
| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: will have a try later | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | ok :) | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | tell me how it goes - via email or whatever | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | i wonder if nm-applet works in kde... | 02:46 |
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| freeflying-ibook | Hobbsee: i have not wifi for test :) | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | ah, i see | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | even if you could get it running, that'd be cool | 02:48 |
| Riddell | jr | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | hey Riddell! | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hang on...hypothetically, if networkmanager 0.6 makes it into dapper, can we get a separate knetworkmanager repo - just for testing? | 02:51 |
| Riddell | flight 5 is not being nice to me | 02:54 |
| Riddell | hmm, no hobbsee | 02:55 |
| Riddell | hi AgarFu | 02:55 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: no documentation as far as I know, it's written by Kamion and is his way to get round needing to use debconf gtk/qt bindings | 02:55 |
| Riddell | "it's a nasty hack, but it works" | 02:55 |
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| Riddell | hi Hobbsee | 02:57 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'm not sure what version of network manager knetworkmanager needs, but if that version does make it into dapper then we can look at having knetworkmanager in too | 02:58 |
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| Riddell | hi Hobbsee__ | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee__ | hey Riddell | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | well it sorta works...networkmanager... | 03:00 |
| Riddell | 13:58 < Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm not sure what version of network manager knetworkmanager needs, but if that | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | couldnt figure out knetworkmanager though | 03:00 |
| Riddell | version does make it into dapper then we can look at having knetworkmanager in too | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | well that's what everyone's asking about, it seems | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | thanks for that - i timed out before getting that | 03:01 |
| AgarFu | Riddell I've done it | 03:03 |
| Riddell | AgarFu: done what? | 03:04 |
| AgarFu | I'm using it for language component and I already have the treeview loaded with the differente languages | 03:04 |
| AgarFu | I need to write some methods more (copy & paste) but I think I finally understood it | 03:05 |
| AgarFu | I've realized a little bit later that my component's name are colliding with the backend one's but that is easy to fix | 03:06 |
| AgarFu | now the language component is working and all the others are shown | 03:07 |
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| Riddell | I had some strange issue where it wouldn't work with unicode strings | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | anyway, i'm going to bed...night all... | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as it's 1am here | 03:09 |
| Riddell | night Hobbsee | 03:10 |
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| miguev | Riddell: new notes about our kde-ui: https://wiki.ssl.ull.es/doku.php?id=ubuntu-espresso | 03:29 |
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| miguev | not fully functional, but AgarFu seems to have working it out | 03:29 |
| miguev | bye | 03:29 |
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| Lure | Riddell: what are the plans with Flight5? any way we can help (testing)? | 04:00 |
| Lure | people are already making noise on ML and forums... | 04:01 |
| mornfall | what's up with flight5 | 04:01 |
| Lure | mornfall: was not released for Kubuntu (just Ubuntu and Edubuntu) | 04:01 |
| mornfall | well, worse things happen | 04:01 |
| Lure | not sure if the case was wait for espresso for Kubuntu or just overload of Riddell (which I can understand) | 04:02 |
| Riddell | Lure: the candidates are up if you want to download and test | 04:07 |
| Riddell | for some reason they didn't build last night so it's taking a while | 04:07 |
| Riddell | and now rsync doesn't want to work | 04:08 |
| Lure | Riddell: is tjis just daily build? Because daily build (at least from 12.3.) hangs on my machine | 04:13 |
| Lure | I suspect that new kernel is the issue (also broke hibernate) | 04:13 |
| Lure | s/tjis/this/ | 04:13 |
| Lure | but I may try espresso on my desktop - just to get used to | 04:13 |
| Riddell | 20060314.1/ live and install is what I'm aiming for | 04:14 |
| Riddell | but I haven't tested them yet, so it could well have a broken linux build for all I know | 04:14 |
| Riddell | Lure: don't use espresso on a machine you care about! | 04:14 |
| Riddell | only use it if you don't mind your hard disk being wiped | 04:14 |
| Lure | Riddell: Ok, thanks for note - will maybe one older system from playing around... | 04:16 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: is it that bad (this close to release)? | 04:20 |
| Riddell | mornfall: it's still not had much testing, especially the KDE side | 04:21 |
| mornfall | ouch | 04:23 |
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| raphink | hi | 04:34 |
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| raphink | Riddell: ping | 04:44 |
| Riddell | raphink: hi | 04:46 |
| raphink | hi Riddell:) | 04:46 |
| raphink | how are you? | 04:46 |
| Riddell | somewhat fed up with flight 5 in multiple ways | 04:46 |
| Riddell | but otherwise lovely | 04:46 |
| raphink | :( argh | 04:46 |
| raphink | ok | 04:46 |
| raphink | :) | 04:46 |
| raphink | well i've got a major issue with kwin-crystal | 04:46 |
| raphink | it looks very nice | 04:46 |
| raphink | but it uses 95% of my CPU | 04:47 |
| raphink | so KDE takes 5 minutes to load | 04:47 |
| raphink | and each window takes 1 minute to render when opened | 04:47 |
| Riddell | that's quite strange | 04:47 |
| Riddell | I've not had any problems with it | 04:47 |
| raphink | although I'm on a 1GHz G4 | 04:47 |
| raphink | well I've tested to be sre that was it | 04:47 |
| raphink | I changed the window deco | 04:47 |
| raphink | and it fixed it | 04:47 |
| raphink | I've tracked the process with top when loading windows | 04:47 |
| raphink | that it's kwin taking up to 95% of the CPU | 04:48 |
| Riddell | is it only a problem when starting KDE? | 04:48 |
| Riddell | or all the time | 04:48 |
| raphink | no | 04:48 |
| raphink | all the time | 04:48 |
| raphink | when opening a new window | 04:48 |
| raphink | a new box | 04:48 |
| Riddell | hmm | 04:48 |
| raphink | whatever has a title bar | 04:48 |
| raphink | [16:43] <kwwii> I think it is doing too much blending of the root window | 04:49 |
| raphink | kwwii's comment on this ;) | 04:49 |
| Riddell | well we can see if other people have problems if flight 5 ever gets released | 04:49 |
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| raphink | hehe | 04:51 |
| raphink | is crystal in df 5 ? | 04:51 |
| raphink | I mean as default | 04:51 |
| Riddell | should be yes | 04:55 |
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| uniq | is that the crystal currently in dapper? | 05:02 |
| seaLne | is crystal the current non kubuntu kde deafult? | 05:03 |
| uniq | i can confirm the problem on ppc with dapper kwin-crystal. kwin eats cpu. | 05:05 |
| Riddell | seaLne: no | 05:11 |
| Riddell | strange, runs fine on my powerpc | 05:11 |
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| raphink | hmmm | 06:00 |
| raphink | transparency in konsole is broken | 06:00 |
| Tm_T | it's not | 06:01 |
| Tm_T | 4 Konsole with 10 tabs can't be wrong | 06:02 |
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| nlindblad | thanks for approving me | 06:27 |
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| Tonio_ | hello all | 06:32 |
| robotgeek | hey Tonio_ | 06:36 |
| Tm_T | uniq: wtf | 06:42 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: i almost kicked him out, until i realised i was not an op here :) | 06:43 |
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| Tm_T | robotgeek: iirc I'm not either | 06:46 |
| Tm_T | yup | 06:46 |
| robotgeek | Tm_T: /msg nickserv info Tm_T | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | yup | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | this pain is killing me... | 06:48 |
| Tm_T | sauna and more drugs, eyes are moving -> | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: ping ? | 06:51 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: when you're available, I just noticed a little visibility issue with the new color sheme... | 06:51 |
| raphink | Tonio_: yop | 06:52 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: hi ;) | 06:52 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: did yo play with openoffice since yesterday ? | 06:52 |
| raphink | anyone noticed kwin w/ crystal using all CPU ? | 06:52 |
| Tonio_ | the new color sheme causes a little problem in the menus | 06:52 |
| raphink | didn't play with that | 06:52 |
| Tonio_ | cause in the menus the text color doesn't change from black to white | 06:52 |
| raphink | i'm playing with powerpc trackpad settings | 06:52 |
| Tonio_ | then when you use your mouse in them, you get black text on darkblue bg | 06:53 |
| Tonio_ | which makes it quite unreadable | 06:53 |
| raphink | I'd like to discuss the defualt settings for it since there's the option to activate the tap-click by default for it | 06:53 |
| robotgeek | raphink: is there a gui way or do we have to change in /etc/pbbuttonsd.conf | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | here is an example | 06:54 |
| raphink | robotgeek: man trackpad | 06:54 |
| robotgeek | raphink: awesome, better than /etc/pbb.. old habits die hard :) | 06:55 |
| raphink | robotgeek: use 'sudo trackpad tap' to activate tap-click for example | 06:55 |
| raphink | trackpad drag | 06:55 |
| raphink | and trackpad lock | 06:55 |
| raphink | respectively to allow dragging with the trackpad | 06:55 |
| raphink | and locking the drag until you tap again | 06:56 |
| raphink | so this is very useful | 06:56 |
| raphink | and this app is in powerpc-utils, so installed by default on ppc | 06:56 |
| raphink | it could be very nice to have a gui using it though | 06:56 |
| Lure | Tonio_: that bothers me too, but do you suggest to change text color to black when highlighted | 06:57 |
| robotgeek | raphink: beats changing it in a conf file :) | 06:57 |
| raphink | robotgeek: also found something great : nvsetvol | 06:57 |
| Lure | I would like more to just make blue a bith lighter | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I don't think that is possible | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | cause openoffice doesn't really use QT directly | 06:57 |
| raphink | robotgeek: sudo "nvsetvol 0" and you don't have this annoying sound when booting the mac :) | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | my point of view would be a color which is not too clear and too dark | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | unless there is a way to patch openoffice | 06:58 |
| robotgeek | raphink: i don't have that installed, i think. plus i don't reboot my ibook :) | 06:58 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but which color does OOo choose then? | 06:58 |
| raphink | robotgeek: you have it installed for sure as it's part of powerpc-utils which is installed by default on ppc I think | 06:58 |
| raphink | iirc at least | 06:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: OOo uses the standard qt color | 06:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: but doesn't seem to manage the texte color changing in the menus | 06:58 |
| jjesse | if the 6 wweek delay occurs it will affect kuubntu correct? | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | and I don't think patching this is easy ;) | 06:59 |
| raphink | what is man 8 ? | 06:59 |
| raphink | how does it differ from man 1 ? | 06:59 |
| Lure | Tonio_: another point to make those defaults (blue) more light ;-) | 06:59 |
| raphink | ah! time for second CC today | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: note that we have the problem in all gtk apps too | 07:00 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 07:00 |
| Lure | raphink: man 8 is admin command, 1 is regular commands | 07:00 |
| Tonio_ | because of gtk_qt_engine | 07:00 |
| Tonio_ | which means problem in firefox for example | 07:00 |
| Tonio_ | which is widely used by kubuntu users | 07:00 |
| raphink | Lure: so /[s] bin/* have .8 and /usr/* have .1 ? | 07:00 |
| Lure | raphink: something like that | 07:00 |
| raphink | ok thanks :) | 07:00 |
| Lure | (but not always the case) | 07:00 |
| Lure | ;-) | 07:01 |
| Lure | 5 is config files, 2 is sytem calls and 3 is library calls (AFAIR) | 07:01 |
| raphink | ok let's move to #ubuntu-meeting | 07:01 |
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| Lure | ok | 07:01 |
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| jjesse | Riddell: how much would a delay benifit kubuntu, the same amount? | 07:08 |
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| Riddell | jjesse: more I'd say, since kde 3.5.2 release is just before and kde espresso needs work | 07:13 |
| jjesse | then i would vote for it, if it makes things better | 07:14 |
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| Tm_T | any meetings I _must_ be this week? | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://wlassistant.sourceforge.net/ | 08:26 |
| Tonio_ | testing if the bugs are gone | 08:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any chance to get it in if that works ? | 08:26 |
| jjesse | anythings gotta be better then kwifimanger :( | 08:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: ready to test ? ;) | 08:30 |
| Lure | Tonio_: what about knetworkmanager - on delay meetings it was noted that some forum people have working version | 08:38 |
| Lure | 0.6, which I think is needed for KDE frontend | 08:39 |
| Lure | Mark was also saying that they might consider if community provided workable version | 08:39 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hum, dunno | 08:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: Riddell only can status on this... | 08:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I heard (but maybe I'm wrong) that knetworkmanager works only with cvs version on networkmanager | 08:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can you confirm ? | 08:42 |
| Lure | I plan to install forum stuff and try GNOME applet - if it work, I may look for knetworkmanager | 08:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: sure ! | 08:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think CVS version was pre-0.6 at the time | 08:42 |
| Lure | but Riddell can probably confirm | 08:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: this is a major, major, major issue for kubuntu | 08:42 |
| Tonio_ | especially considering that laptop is a great priority for ubuntu | 08:43 |
| Lure | I can fix wpasupplicant for my needs (WPA), but I would like to have something better for others. ;-) | 08:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the best tool I've seen actually for kde is wlassistant, although it had 2 little, but really annoying bugs | 08:43 |
| Lure | But I have also powersave/kpowersave on my secret agenda... | 08:43 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that as already been discussed I think | 08:44 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that kpowerslave is duplicating the canonical stuff somehow | 08:44 |
| Lure | Tonio_: benefit of networkmanager is one base, two front-ends and this help (k)ubuntu | 08:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I must say I agreee that kpowersave is really, really better than klaptop | 08:45 |
| Lure | This is why poversave/kpowersave has issue (as base is different: acpi-support+powernowd vs. powersaved) | 08:45 |
| Lure | but I doubt that g-p-m people will switch to powersaved soon (as main developer do not want to) | 08:45 |
| Tonio_ | yes but as ubuntu is developped with the best gnome apps, it is a bit sad removing kde killer appps because of that..... | 08:45 |
| Lure | This is why we need to make powersaved to "work-with" ubuntu infrastructure | 08:45 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, needs a CVS network manager | 08:46 |
| Tonio_ | kpowersave is actually in the top 3 appications in kde-apps | 08:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, that confirms :) | 08:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what about wlassistant if the new version works quite correctly ? | 08:46 |
| Lure | Riddell: but what does "CVS version" mean - I though this was pre-0.6 (major rewrite) | 08:46 |
| Lure | and 0.6 is now released (with full WPA/WPA2 support) | 08:46 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: is it ? didn't look at that........ interesting ! | 08:47 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's been a while since I've used it, I'd need to look at it again | 08:47 |
| Lure | forum people took 0.6 and polished it for ubuntu | 08:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm testing wlassistant for bugs and let you know ;) | 08:48 |
| Lure | major work was also on wpa_supplicant (which is used by 0,6) to respect /etc/network/interfaces | 08:48 |
| Lure | [19:32] <siretart> sabdfl: re wpa: I have prepared with crimsun and kel modderman a new wpasupplicant package which integrates nicely in /etc/network/interfaces. I think it shouldn't be hard to integrate that to gnome-system-tools | 08:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: even without wpa, a simply network tool is really needed :) | 08:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: isn't knetworkmanager okay with 0.6 new stable version ? | 08:54 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: agree and I think you should push wlassistant - do we need just UVF exception? | 08:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: possibly, I don't know about network manager versioning | 08:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 08:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ready to investigate ? | 08:56 |
| Riddell | but if it is, then great | 08:56 |
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| Tonio_ | I'm installing ndiswrapper on my laptop, let's go ! | 08:56 |
| nlindblad | WLAN management on Linux sucks in general | 08:57 |
| Tonio_ | nlindblad: not with networkmanager | 08:57 |
| nlindblad | Tonio_: really? | 08:57 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 08:57 |
| Tonio_ | networkmanager is GREAT | 08:57 |
| Lure | Tonio_: will look into this - first need to get through forum stuff to understand pros/cons and have working nm-applet on my system | 08:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay, keep in touch ;) | 08:58 |
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| nlindblad | Tonio_: screenshots? | 08:59 |
| nlindblad | GNOME project?? | 09:00 |
| raphink | Riddell: are you coming to the TB ? | 09:02 |
| Lure | nlindblad: yes, GNOME project but with light-weigh front-end which was rewritten for KDE - knetworkmanager | 09:02 |
| Riddell | raphink: yep | 09:02 |
| raphink | ok :) | 09:02 |
| Riddell | raphink: anything I should look out for? | 09:02 |
| raphink | I might need your support :) | 09:02 |
| nlindblad | Lure: currently on Breezy, might be why I can't find it | 09:02 |
| Riddell | raphink: oh, you're going for main? | 09:02 |
| raphink | yes | 09:03 |
| Riddell | groovy | 09:03 |
| nlindblad | oh, something I probably should mention | 09:03 |
| Lure | raphink: good luck! | 09:03 |
| raphink | thanks | 09:03 |
| nlindblad | when trying Dapper out a few weeks ago, all programs using glibc segfaulted all the time and eventually the whole system refused to function | 09:03 |
| Lure | raphink: we really need more KDE guys in core-dev and similar... | 09:04 |
| raphink | Lure: which is why I'm going | 09:04 |
| nlindblad | might be nothing... | 09:05 |
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| Riddell | nlindblad: all? or just gnome programmes? | 09:08 |
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| nlindblad | Riddell: all programs | 09:10 |
| freeflying-ibook | Riddell: I need your support and recommend too | 09:10 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: fresh Breezy install => Dapper | 09:10 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: sounds nasty, let me know if you have the same issues with flight 5 | 09:11 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: yeah | 09:11 |
| nlindblad | Lure: not available for Breezy? | 09:12 |
| Lure | nlindblad: I don't think so - but if you are hanging on kubuntu-devel, you should run Dapper anyhow ;-) | 09:13 |
| nlindblad | hmm | 09:13 |
| nlindblad | really want my laptop stable | 09:13 |
| nlindblad | but workstation would be alright | 09:14 |
| nlindblad | sed -ie 's/breezy/dapper/g' /etc/apt/sources.list | 09:14 |
| Riddell | freeflying-ibook: yep, I'm here :) | 09:14 |
| Lure | nlindblad: I understand - I am also on Breezy for my work time, but will switch with Flight5 | 09:14 |
| freeflying-ibook | Riddell: thx | 09:15 |
| nlindblad | upgrading now | 09:16 |
| nlindblad | Lure: yeah | 09:16 |
| nlindblad | I want something stopping me from wasting the enourmus amount of time I sit in front of my computer | 09:20 |
| nlindblad | Kubuntu development is a good candidate for that | 09:20 |
| Tm_T | heh | 09:23 |
| Lure | raphink: congrats! | 09:23 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: congrats! | 09:24 |
| jjesse | raphink: congrats :) | 09:24 |
| Tm_T | ? | 09:24 |
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| raphink | w00t!!!!!!!! | 09:24 |
| raphink | thanks :) | 09:24 |
| robotgeek | damn, raphink congrats! | 09:25 |
| raphink | :D | 09:25 |
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| OculusAquilae | raphink: congrats | 09:25 |
| === raphink goes find some champaign :) | ||
| Tm_T | raphink get laid? | 09:25 |
| raphink | :) :) :) | 09:25 |
| Tm_T | ;--P | 09:25 |
| Tm_T | raphink: congrats | 09:26 |
| raphink | ty | 09:26 |
| Tm_T | cong-rats.. | 09:26 |
| nlindblad | something I miss in apt is the ability to process several operations at once | 09:26 |
| Tm_T | nah | 09:26 |
| nlindblad | if you start a major dist-upgrade and need another package quickly you'd still have to either wait or interrupt | 09:27 |
| nlindblad | pretty clumsy | 09:27 |
| Tm_T | true | 09:28 |
| Tm_T | but safe | 09:28 |
| nlindblad | yeah | 09:28 |
| nlindblad | I guess I'd complain if it was the other way around | 09:28 |
| Tm_T | indeed | 09:28 |
| Riddell | raphink: you heard mjg59, he'll be expecting top kubuntu laptop support now you're in main :) | 09:28 |
| raphink | hehe | 09:29 |
| raphink | :) | 09:29 |
| raphink | and now that i bought my first laptop this morning :) | 09:29 |
| nlindblad | is it just my crappy laptop or isn't suspend2 working what well? | 09:29 |
| nlindblad | that's a feature that would make my life alot easier | 09:29 |
| Lure | raphink: I also expect top laptop from you ;-) | 09:32 |
| raphink | don't expect my lap though :p | 09:32 |
| raphink | just the top | 09:32 |
| Lure | raphink: if you can push powersave in, that is more than enough ;-) | 09:33 |
| raphink | Lure: just got my first laptop today officially | 09:33 |
| Lure | kpowersave will be easy then ;-) | 09:33 |
| raphink | so I'm nto used to laptop stuff yet | 09:33 |
| raphink | I'll be doing my best ;) | 09:33 |
| mbiebl | I can only second that. If you need help or more information, ask lure or myself. | 09:33 |
| Lure | hi mbiebl | 09:34 |
| raphink | :) | 09:34 |
| mbiebl | Hi | 09:34 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I was thinking if it would not be easier for inclusion if we do not reroute acpid | 09:35 |
| Lure | but rather change apci-support upstream to respect powersaved properly (as it does for g-p-m) | 09:35 |
| mbiebl | Lure, filed a bug report for cpufrequtils, hopefully it gets rebuilt soon. | 09:35 |
| mbiebl | Lure, this solution is fine, too. | 09:35 |
| Lure | mbiebl: great - is this upstream (Debian) first or jsut Ubuntu? | 09:36 |
| mbiebl | The Debian package is already fixed, it's a Dapper issue | 09:36 |
| Lure | I plan to start some discussion with laptop team just to get some buy-in before we start major push | 09:36 |
| mbiebl | Good idea. Try to make a list, what they think is still missing and needs to be fixed or has to be done. | 09:37 |
| Lure | exactly - I just do not want that we get ther wih big suprise | 09:38 |
| Lure | I am shooting to at least get support for kpowersave into universe (UVF exception) | 09:38 |
| Lure | then we can discuss what is default for kubuntu-desktop | 09:39 |
| Lure | ;-) | 09:39 |
| mbiebl | But wouldn't it have to be main to become default for kubuntu-desktop? | 09:39 |
| Lure | Riddell, raphink: can kubuntu-desktop depend on something from universe? | 09:39 |
| Riddell | Lure: no | 09:39 |
| Lure | I suspect not... | 09:39 |
| raphink | Lure: no | 09:40 |
| Lure | I am not sure how hard is to get universe -> main approval | 09:40 |
| nlindblad | I think I can follow the code of conduct | 09:40 |
| Lure | but I do not want to get too excited - let's do step by step and do it right | 09:40 |
| Lure | I will try to put up a wiki page with some info on that | 09:41 |
| mbiebl | What are the steps that need to be taken to get kpowersave into main? Who do we have to convince ;-) | 09:42 |
| Lure | mbiebl: I would suspect prerequisite is laptop-devel people - which means working nicely with GNOME first | 09:44 |
| Lure | then probably many others to get formal approval... | 09:44 |
| nlindblad | I signed it | 09:47 |
| nlindblad | what's next? | 09:47 |
| mbiebl | I'm coming from the Debian world, so I don't know the policies and procedures of (k)ubuntu. | 09:48 |
| Riddell | mbiebl: you need to convince me | 09:48 |
| Riddell | mbiebl: and I need mjg59 convinced since he does the power stuff in ubuntu | 09:48 |
| Riddell | mbiebl: I don't know enough about power stuff to understand all the issues, and I haven't had time to investigate | 09:50 |
| mbiebl | Riddell, do you have an overview how powersaved+kpowersave work? | 09:50 |
| Riddell | mbiebl: not really, nor how the ubuntu power stuff works | 09:51 |
| mbiebl | Should I write you an email or do you prefer to discuss it on IRC? | 09:52 |
| Riddell | freeflying-ibook: keep doing fixes and testing and we'll try for MOTU again in a couple of months | 09:53 |
| freeflying-ibook | Riddell: thx, i will | 09:53 |
| nlindblad | what's next after signing? | 09:54 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: next after what? | 09:55 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: signing the code of conduct | 09:55 |
| Riddell | mbiebl: there is already an e-mail thread on the topic I'm yet to read | 09:56 |
| Riddell | mbiebl: if you camake your case here briefly then go ahead | 09:56 |
| Riddell | mbiebl: what's your relationship to kpowersave first? | 09:56 |
| mbiebl | Good, I will write up a description of (k)powersave and make a comparison to klaptopdaemon and g-p-m and post it to the kubuntu-devel m-l. | 09:57 |
| mbiebl | I'm the Debian maintainer of the powersaved/kpowersave packages. | 09:58 |
| Lure | mbiebl: maybe better to wiki.ubuntu.com | 09:58 |
| Lure | (much easier to keep up-to-date than mail thread) | 09:58 |
| Riddell | mbiebl: yeah, wiki page might be good | 09:58 |
| nlindblad | I'd love to focus on security issues | 09:58 |
| nlindblad | help out in that way | 09:58 |
| Lure | mbiebl: or I can do wiki based on your input | 09:58 |
| mbiebl | That's fine for me too. | 09:59 |
| Lure | Riddell: KubuntuLaptop or KubuntuPowersave? | 10:00 |
| Riddell | Lure: second is less generic | 10:00 |
| Lure | Riddell: will do | 10:00 |
| mbiebl | Riddell, and about my relationship to kpowersave: I'm also contributing upstream where possible. The project is very active and open. | 10:01 |
| nlindblad | is there a specific Ubuntu security team? | 10:02 |
| Lure | Riddell: I would add that mbiebel actually pushed lot's of upstream changes | 10:02 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: yes, he's called pitti | 10:02 |
| Lure | kpowersave was very SuSE before... | 10:02 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: do they need help? | 10:02 |
| mbiebl | I talked to the (k)powersave devs and they were very interested in getting (k)powersave into Dapper. They even offered there help. | 10:02 |
| Lure | I think we have support from upstream and debian maintainer | 10:03 |
| Lure | key is GNOME cooperation, and here I can anticipate some issues | 10:03 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: I suspect not, security fixes are difficult and canonical needs to make sure they are done properly, but you can certainly ask | 10:03 |
| mbiebl | Yes, it was SuSE only previously. But now moved to sf.net and we worked hard to make (k)powersave distribution agnostic. | 10:03 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: well, the plain text password really indicates things are not perfect | 10:04 |
| Lure | due to the fact that g-p-m and powersave strategies are slightly different | 10:04 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: how would you have stoped that happening? | 10:04 |
| Lure | but nothing that we could overcome (becase we really have to, otherwise we are stuck with bad laptop support in Kubuntu) | 10:05 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: I'm not a security guru, but I'm just saying, if somone would play with security and really take things to it's edge | 10:05 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: someone would likely have found that | 10:05 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: not accusing anyone of being bad at what they do | 10:06 |
| mbiebl | As said, I will write up a short description of (k)powersave and its design goals and give a comparison to g-p-m with it's pros and cons. Then Jonathan can make a better decision. | 10:07 |
| Riddell | mbiebl: I feel pretty bad that I haven't been able to give this much time so far, thank for poking me :) | 10:08 |
| mbiebl | I guess you are pretty busy atm ;-) | 10:08 |
| nlindblad | good night | 10:15 |
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| Tonio_ | okay, let's trying latest networkmanager :) | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ping ? | 10:50 |
| Lure | Tonio_: pong | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what are the changes done on the topic you talked about for kubuntu ? | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | I was simply trying to uupdate the actual source package | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | are there things you heard about ? | 10:51 |
| Lure | there is effort on forums to make packages for 0.6, some already reporting success, other still having problems | 10:52 |
| Lure | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=139334 | 10:52 |
| Lure | then siretart is working on wpasupplicant update that has improved support for NM | 10:53 |
| Lure | [19:32] <siretart> sabdfl: re wpa: I have prepared with crimsun and kel modderman a new wpasupplicant package which integrates nicely in /etc/network/interfaces. I think it shouldn't be hard to integrate that to gnome-system-tools | 10:53 |
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| Lure | (this was on meeting regarding dapper delay) | 10:54 |
| Lure | I have seen reluctance from keybuk (maintainer of NM 0.5.1 for ubuntu) and Mark saying that he might support community provided stuff inclusion if it works | 10:56 |
| Lure | Tonio_: what do you mean with "actual source code"? | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: are there patches to provide or something ? | 10:56 |
| Lure | patches are key issue for keybuk | 10:57 |
| Lure | 0.5.1 has many patches for ubuntu integration, these are harder to port due to major changes in 0.6 | 10:57 |
| Lure | :( | 10:57 |
| Lure | I would say with so much interest, the issue is only in working together (too many cooks issue) | 10:58 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: I still like your wlassitant idea - but not sure if new packages are accepted in universe | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: well, because it is a major missing, there could maybe be an exception | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | we have time to test now | 11:00 |
| Lure | I suppose it is easier to get in than new NM still (NM has many dependacies, like VPN...) | 11:00 |
| Lure | Tonio_: exactly | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if wlassistant or knetworkmanager are working *perfectly*, do you think an exceptionnal execption to feature freeze could be possible ? | 11:01 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: knetworkmanager will follow network manager. wlassistant could be possible | 11:01 |
| Lure | Tonio_: perfectly is hard with so bad foundation (differences between WiFi drivers) | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the problem is that knetworkmanager requires an update of networkmanager in main......... | 11:02 |
| Lure | this is is why NM is in my opinion harder to polish | 11:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: exactly, and that's not going to happen | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: would canonical do that for kubuntu ? I'm not sure...... | 11:02 |
| Riddell | no | 11:02 |
| Riddell | well, keybuk wouldn't do it for kubuntu anyway | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, so let's focus on wlassistant | 11:02 |
| Lure | Tonio_: will you work on packages - I am more than willing to test | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | and.... (sorry for that last question), if wlassistant is really "perfect", is main integration possible ? | 11:03 |
| Lure | BTW, I just droped knemo (again) - CPU load on batteries is just too high (5%) | 11:04 |
| Lure | I hope wlassistant is better | 11:04 |
| Riddell | Lure: really? | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ? | 11:04 |
| Lure | Yes, just searching for bug... | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: how do you get the cpu load ? | 11:05 |
| Lure | top | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | cause knemo isn't a binary but a kde service | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | I don't have knemo appareing in it | 11:06 |
| Lure | it is shown on kded | 11:06 |
| Lure | turn knemo off and you see difference. | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | that's what I thought, but do you think knemo is the responsible ? | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: testing | 11:06 |
| Lure | when my laptop is on 2.1GHz it is 2%, on 800Mhz is around 5% | 11:06 |
| Lure | bug 32981 | 11:07 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 32981 in knemo "kded eats CPU continuously due to KNemo" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32981 | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: with my laptop (celeron D 1.5 ghz), it is arround 1.5% | 11:07 |
| Lure | interesting... | 11:07 |
| Lure | I need to ack for new laptop... ;-) | 11:08 |
| Lure | s/ack/ask/ | 11:08 |
| allee | Lure: FWIW as soon as knemo 0.4 will be released, Percy will work on use a lib instead of if/iwconfig route | 11:08 |
| Lure | Tonio_: this is on full speed? | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, I never decrese the cpu speed ;) | 11:08 |
| allee | Lure: I tried to convience him to do it for 0.4. But he said he's too busy to do it right now | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: without knemo, I get 0.1% | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | you're right | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | there is a replacement we can suggest for knemo | 11:09 |
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| Lure | CPU usage also means battery time for notebooks and I do not lake to trade that for one icon ;-) | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | called knetdockapp | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: you should test, it is quite nice | 11:09 |
| Lure | but I do not object for knemo to be started by default in Dapper - I can turn it off by myself | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | I did a package for dapper | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | and mostly, knetdockapp is maintained, when knemo isn't | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | allee: already tested it ? | 11:11 |
| === Lure installing knetdockapp | ||
| Tonio_ | allee: I saw you in the changelog for wlassistant;) | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | allee: any news concerning the dhclient bug ? | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the problem with knetdockapp is that it can't monitor several cards at the same time........ | 11:13 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I just noticed... ;-( | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: but cpu usage is about 0 :) | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | we are not up to date | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | and I am in contact with upstream | 11:13 |
| Lure | and Setting window does not come nice on my screen (some elements overlap) | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | I could ask for feature | 11:13 |
| Lure | CPU is 0% - really! | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no app is perfect ;) | 11:14 |
| Lure | With graph ploting it goes to 3% | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | but todor is working hard on knetdockapp :) | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ah ?......... | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: well it is correct I think | 11:15 |
| Lure | Tonio_: if you open Settings window and select active interface | 11:15 |
| Lure | but that is normal for ploting graph online | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes and to me it is okay | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: can you provide a screenshot ? | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | 0.67.3 - combined update. allow multiple instances, chart drawing and tooltip cleanups/updates | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: look at that | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we should update and make uvfe request don't you think ? | 11:18 |
| Lure | looks good | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: there is still a problem | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | knemo can display your interfaces automatically | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | if you have an ath0, it will be shown | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | knetdockapp requires way more config........ | 11:20 |
| allee | Tonio_: I made a wlassistant deb after the release but could not try because all AP were is use. So I don't know if it's fixed | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | allee: can you give me the deb ? | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | I'm gonna test right now | 11:20 |
| allee | wait ... | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I saw upstream switched to scons.............. | 11:21 |
| Lure | Tonio_: screenshot: http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1726/knetdock5bo.png | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I can see yes | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: you have big fonts :) | 11:22 |
| Lure | I think the issue is DPI - fonts are just what you set me in k-d-s | 11:22 |
| Lure | ;-) | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hu ? | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | you *should* have default ones ? | 11:23 |
| Lure | 9 pt | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | what is the size you set in kde settings ? | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: amazing.........; | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: breezy updated or native ? | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: you are the first personn I see that has different fonts to what it is supposed to be | 11:24 |
| Lure | clean install Flight4+dist-upgrade (from two days agou, as daily CD did not work) | 11:24 |
| Lure | I thought they are supposed to be 9pt | 11:24 |
| allee | Tonio_: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/ | 11:24 |
| Lure | (I have same on desktop with 17"LCD with 96DPI) | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | allee: thanks :) | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: urgh ? | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | I have installed dapper about 30 times on 20 machines | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | never saw something like that....... | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: did you saw that bug already ? | 11:26 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you did not see my initial Breezy ;-) | 11:26 |
| allee | Lure: what gives: xrdb -query | grep dpi | 11:26 |
| Lure | Xft.dpi: 146 | 11:26 |
| Lure | which is average of two DPI | 11:27 |
| Lure | xdpyinfo says: | 11:27 |
| allee | Lure: and you have a 146 dpi display? | 11:27 |
| Lure | resolution: 147x145 dots per inch | 11:27 |
| Lure | dimensions: 1920x1200 pixels (332x210 millimeters) | 11:27 |
| Lure | and this is all correct | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | allee: isn't that supposed to be set to 96 instead of 146 ? | 11:27 |
| allee | Lure: then the fonts are correct. And that we see huge fonts is just because we have DPI << 146 :) | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the problem is that xft.dpi is supposed to be set, and fixed | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | not DPI but xft.dpi | 11:28 |
| allee | Tonio_: no for dpi > 140 dpi the real resolution is used | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | allee: ah ? didn't knew that :) | 11:28 |
| Lure | allee: true (I have debugged displayconfig) | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | allee: sounds logic :) | 11:28 |
| Lure | ;-) | 11:28 |
| === allee join the happy club | ||
| Lure | Tonio_: but fonts do not look bad elsewhere (including Firefox/GTK) | 11:29 |
| Lure | Only here and there there is some dialog that could look better - like knetdock | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | allee: my wifi adapter is set to eth1 | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | wlassistant doesn't like that......... | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay kool :) | 11:30 |
| Lure | really? I think ipw2200 is always ethX | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | :'( | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: wlassistant tells me that it doesn't see any wireless adapter | 11:31 |
| allee | Lure: fonts looks fine. I get the same with 10pt or was it 11 pt fonts | 11:31 |
| allee | Lure: with hires screens there's a switch from 1 to 2 pixels used for line width. This makes the fonts look bold | 11:32 |
| Lure | allee: true - this is why I have turned some to 8pt on Breezy (I may do sameon Dapper) | 11:33 |
| allee | Lure: looks like you're a perfect tester for hackish layouts are on sees in your screenshot :) | 11:33 |
| Lure | allee: you have not seen my login screen... | 11:33 |
| allee | Lure: I was first 'shocked' to by the boldness. But with some time one gets used to it | 11:34 |
| allee | Lure: ah, yeah, same here too. Icons where totally off from login window | 11:35 |
| Lure | http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kdm1920x12002gr.jpg | 11:35 |
| Lure | that will wake you up for sure ;-) | 11:36 |
| allee | Tonio_: wlassistant 0.5.5-1 has no problems with eth1, at least it finds the WPA encrypted networks here | 11:37 |
| allee | I have ips2200 in my laptop too. | 11:37 |
| Lure | allee: is wlassistant deb for dapper or should I build from source? | 11:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: what does iwconfig detect your wireless extentions | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yup | 11:38 |
| allee | Lure: is dapper deb | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | let me pastebin | 11:38 |
| === Lure installing wlassistant... | ||
| Tonio_ | allee: http://pastebin.com/602560 | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | looking at the soruces to understant | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | but yes, no pb with my wifi actually | 11:39 |
| Lure | Tonio_: works here (active WPA2 on ipw2200 on eth1) | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: if that works for you, something you can try is connect | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | then disconnect and reconnect | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | old bug was wasn't working on the second connection without performing a manual "dhclient" command | 11:41 |
| === Lure will do (right back) | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay thanks :) | 11:41 |
| allee | Tonio_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/602564 is what I get on startup. But I can't try to connect because AP uses WPA | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/602574 | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | seems that the iwconfig output isn't parsed correctly | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | strange issue......... | 11:43 |
| allee | Tonio_: ah, you have a brodcom wlan. So you have to use use ndiswrapper? | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | allee: no | 11:43 |
| Lure | Tonio_: first, I had to run with kdesu, then it only supports wep connect | 11:43 |
| Lure | :-( | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | allee: detected from scratch, but I have to extract the firmware from the windows drvier...... | 11:43 |
| allee | Tonio_: ah the nickname is the one of your AP :) | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | allee: really worse than simple ndiswrapper......... | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yes ;) | 11:44 |
| === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel | ||
| Tonio_ | hu ???????? | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | allee: master please !!!!!!!! | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | allee: how can you explain this : | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | my wifi card doesn't work | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | but when I install network-manager, it does ;) | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | amazing issue | 11:54 |
| robotgeek | Tonio_: dapper broadcom driver? | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: yes | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | with firmware extacted from the windows driver and placed in /lib/firmwares | 11:54 |
| robotgeek | Tonio_: look for the words "link becomes ready" in /var/log/syslog | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: k | 11:54 |
| robotgeek | Tonio_: basically, it is good to have some kind of a delay in there | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: nothing concerning eth1 | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | only eth0......... | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Mar 14 23:52:55 kubuntu kernel: [4294980.918000] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: okay I can see | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: any way to set a little delay ? | 11:58 |
| robotgeek | Tonio_: weird, try this script. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10247 | 11:58 |
| === Tonio_ regrets when everything was nice with ndiswrapper | ||
| robotgeek | Tonio_: i use this on a daily basis, so it should work for you too :) | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | this driver is a pain, really.......... | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | robotgeek: rebooting and testing ;) | 12:03 |
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