=== allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] hey allee [12:16] hi toma!! === toma_ is now known as toma [12:17] toma: how was your weekend? [12:18] great [12:18] i went to the zoo on saterday [12:18] it was cold, but got some nice pictures [12:19] and yours? still stressy? [12:20] toma: yeah. but I hope that this week is the last one [12:35] good night [12:36] night [12:37] good night [12:37] night === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma is now known as toma_ === raphink-pbook [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:42] amarok beta 2 testing needed deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta2/ dapper main === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] Riddell: great job on the bootup splash, it looks groovy [02:34] Riddell: is amarok available on ppc too?? === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.151] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:22] freeflying: hey :) [07:22] Hobbsee: hi [07:22] i got your mail [07:27] hmm todays daily ppc live is 718Mb even now i have some 700Mb cdrws i don't think i could test that [07:27] ah its been too big for a few days [07:28] bah i was wanting to check it [07:28] seaLne: sure you can [07:28] how? [07:30] 718 mb is burnable, i think [07:30] weird there seem to be a lack of non ppc dailys [07:30] seaLne: k3b--> configure k3b -->writeing [07:30] ok i'll download and see if it fits when i get into work [07:31] seaLne: -->advance-->allow overburn [07:33] ta [07:34] maybe too early in the day for other builds? [07:37] espresso isn't in the kubuntu dailys yet is it? [07:38] seaLne: it dose [07:49] darn it! i'm going to miss the meeting in a few hours! [07:50] Hobbsee: it's 9:00 UTC , 2 hrs left [07:50] freeflying: yes, i leave in around half an hour, maybe a little more.. === Hobbsee makes a mental note to go and read the chatlogs [07:52] or wait 11 hours for the second one ;) [07:52] yes, 4am [07:52] oh well [07:52] it's not like it's a kubuntu meeting [07:53] you are +10? === seaLne is useless with timezones [07:53] hehe [07:53] i dunno...might be +11 [07:54] 06:53 < Hobbsee> i dunno...might be +11 [07:54] but the 20UTC meetings always start at 7am for me (ouch, hehe!), so therefore 18UTC will be 5am [07:54] ah [07:54] yeah, i have UTC on kclock === _Sime could really use some extra time to debug... [08:37] enjoy the meeting everyone! === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink-pbook [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.157] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua@221.172.51.157] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === AgarFu [n=agarfu@199.Red-213-97-22.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:14] hi [10:18] mornfall: would it be possible in adept when it encounters an error to prompt and try to run apt-get -f install or dpkg-(thing which i can never remember as i only type it when it telle me to) [10:19] i'm not sure how often when dapper is stable that there will be install problems but atm i'm getting them nearly each day, but they sort them selves easily enough === ubijtsa_ [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] seaLne: dpkg --configure -a [10:31] seaLne: well, possibly [10:32] just a thought [10:47] anyone else tried recent ppc live? it booted without X then since typing startx it has stayed blank and not doing anything [10:47] seaLne: i'll try it tomorow [10:48] i'll try yesterdays [10:48] i have slightly slow connection, ittakes a while to download [10:50] the new usplash actually looks not bad on it [10:52] original tibook [10:52] it looks very nice on my ibook === verwilst [n=bv@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:41] yoyo [11:43] lala === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee is back, and wondered what she missed [12:11] crud!!!!! [12:19] Hobbsee: missed the meeting? :) [12:20] ubijtsa: well i did, and i knew that was going to happen - but i just got an email back to say that my assignment didnt compile on the computers at the uni... [12:20] oops [12:22] it compiles here!!! [12:22] Hobbsee: C, ADA, C++, Fortran? [12:22] ubijtsa: c++ [12:23] hmm.. different compiler perhaps [12:23] gcc-4.0 vs gcc-3.3 [12:24] well, g++ anyways [12:25] i dont know - the other file, which is almost a copy of the first, compiles fine both here and at the uni [12:27] what does diff -b tell you? [12:32] in regards to the file? no idea [12:32] i'll just have to check if it compiles on the uni computers, and reupload, and ask them to re-auto-mark [12:32] might have to bend their arms a bit :P [12:33] but i'll be really peeved if it doesnt compile on their system for marking, if it compiles on the uni computers === miguev [n=miguev@85.155.38.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === miguev [n=miguev@85.155.38.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:37] hi :) [12:38] hi [12:38] hey === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee attempts to get knetworkmanager from svn [01:33] we'll see how far i get... === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:55] Riddell are you there? [02:09] Riddell is there any documentation about dbfilter? === Hobbsee_ notices that there's a snapshot of knetworkmanager - wonder if it's any good...trying it out... === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] Hobbsee: where is the snapshot ? [02:20] freeflying-ibook: it's on planetsuse [02:20] i couldnt get it to work - it died on makeinstall [02:20] and i'm having trouble grabbing the cvs from kde.org === freeflying-ibook seems I'd like have a try [02:24] freeflying-ibook: you need http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=125150&highlight=network+manager first, Riddell said [02:24] then compile knetworkmanager from there [02:25] Hobbsee: thx === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] ewww...it's gnome! === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:42] freeflying-ibook: ping [02:43] hmm [02:43] Hobbsee: pong [02:43] freeflying-ibook: on gnome at the moment - networkmanager works quite well on it [02:44] if you figure out knetworkmanager, better still, can create a .tar.bz2 of a working source, then that'd be cool [02:45] Hobbsee: I prefer to knetworkmanager :) [02:45] huh? [02:45] i'd prefer knetworkmanager over networkmanager too [02:45] i might get lucky lol... [02:46] Hobbsee: will have a try later [02:46] ok :) [02:46] tell me how it goes - via email or whatever [02:46] i wonder if nm-applet works in kde... === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:48] Hobbsee: i have not wifi for test :) [02:48] ah, i see [02:48] even if you could get it running, that'd be cool [02:49] jr [02:49] hey Riddell! [02:51] Riddell: hang on...hypothetically, if networkmanager 0.6 makes it into dapper, can we get a separate knetworkmanager repo - just for testing? [02:54] flight 5 is not being nice to me [02:55] hmm, no hobbsee [02:55] hi AgarFu [02:55] AgarFu: no documentation as far as I know, it's written by Kamion and is his way to get round needing to use debconf gtk/qt bindings [02:55] "it's a nasty hack, but it works" === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:57] hi Hobbsee [02:58] Hobbsee: I'm not sure what version of network manager knetworkmanager needs, but if that version does make it into dapper then we can look at having knetworkmanager in too === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:59] hi Hobbsee__ [03:00] hey Riddell [03:00] well it sorta works...networkmanager... [03:00] 13:58 < Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm not sure what version of network manager knetworkmanager needs, but if that [03:00] couldnt figure out knetworkmanager though [03:00] version does make it into dapper then we can look at having knetworkmanager in too [03:00] yep [03:01] well that's what everyone's asking about, it seems [03:01] thanks for that - i timed out before getting that [03:03] Riddell I've done it [03:04] AgarFu: done what? [03:04] I'm using it for language component and I already have the treeview loaded with the differente languages [03:05] I need to write some methods more (copy & paste) but I think I finally understood it [03:06] I've realized a little bit later that my component's name are colliding with the backend one's but that is easy to fix [03:07] now the language component is working and all the others are shown === faked [n=faked@85-124-41-229.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:08] I had some strange issue where it wouldn't work with unicode strings [03:09] anyway, i'm going to bed...night all... [03:09] seeing as it's 1am here [03:10] night Hobbsee === cmon [n=simon@62.58.40.86] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:29] Riddell: new notes about our kde-ui: https://wiki.ssl.ull.es/doku.php?id=ubuntu-espresso === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:29] not fully functional, but AgarFu seems to have working it out [03:29] bye === hunger [n=tobias@p54A632DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:00] Riddell: what are the plans with Flight5? any way we can help (testing)? [04:01] people are already making noise on ML and forums... [04:01] what's up with flight5 [04:01] mornfall: was not released for Kubuntu (just Ubuntu and Edubuntu) [04:01] well, worse things happen [04:02] not sure if the case was wait for espresso for Kubuntu or just overload of Riddell (which I can understand) [04:07] Lure: the candidates are up if you want to download and test [04:07] for some reason they didn't build last night so it's taking a while [04:08] and now rsync doesn't want to work [04:13] Riddell: is tjis just daily build? Because daily build (at least from 12.3.) hangs on my machine [04:13] I suspect that new kernel is the issue (also broke hibernate) [04:13] s/tjis/this/ [04:13] but I may try espresso on my desktop - just to get used to [04:14] 20060314.1/ live and install is what I'm aiming for [04:14] but I haven't tested them yet, so it could well have a broken linux build for all I know [04:14] Lure: don't use espresso on a machine you care about! [04:14] only use it if you don't mind your hard disk being wiped [04:16] Riddell: Ok, thanks for note - will maybe one older system from playing around... === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:20] Riddell: is it that bad (this close to release)? [04:21] mornfall: it's still not had much testing, especially the KDE side [04:23] ouch === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-013-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] hi === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.241] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:44] Riddell: ping [04:46] raphink: hi [04:46] hi Riddell:) [04:46] how are you? [04:46] somewhat fed up with flight 5 in multiple ways [04:46] but otherwise lovely [04:46] :( argh [04:46] ok [04:46] :) [04:46] well i've got a major issue with kwin-crystal [04:46] it looks very nice [04:47] but it uses 95% of my CPU [04:47] so KDE takes 5 minutes to load [04:47] and each window takes 1 minute to render when opened [04:47] that's quite strange [04:47] I've not had any problems with it [04:47] although I'm on a 1GHz G4 [04:47] well I've tested to be sre that was it [04:47] I changed the window deco [04:47] and it fixed it [04:47] I've tracked the process with top when loading windows [04:48] that it's kwin taking up to 95% of the CPU [04:48] is it only a problem when starting KDE? [04:48] or all the time [04:48] no [04:48] all the time [04:48] when opening a new window [04:48] a new box [04:48] hmm [04:48] whatever has a title bar [04:49] [16:43] I think it is doing too much blending of the root window [04:49] kwwii's comment on this ;) [04:49] well we can see if other people have problems if flight 5 ever gets released === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.241] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:51] hehe [04:51] is crystal in df 5 ? [04:51] I mean as default [04:55] should be yes === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:02] is that the crystal currently in dapper? [05:03] is crystal the current non kubuntu kde deafult? [05:05] i can confirm the problem on ppc with dapper kwin-crystal. kwin eats cpu. 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[06:49] sauna and more drugs, eyes are moving -> [06:51] kwwii: ping ? [06:51] kwwii: when you're available, I just noticed a little visibility issue with the new color sheme... [06:52] Tonio_: yop [06:52] raphink: hi ;) [06:52] raphink: did yo play with openoffice since yesterday ? [06:52] anyone noticed kwin w/ crystal using all CPU ? [06:52] the new color sheme causes a little problem in the menus [06:52] didn't play with that [06:52] cause in the menus the text color doesn't change from black to white [06:52] i'm playing with powerpc trackpad settings [06:53] then when you use your mouse in them, you get black text on darkblue bg [06:53] which makes it quite unreadable [06:53] I'd like to discuss the defualt settings for it since there's the option to activate the tap-click by default for it [06:54] raphink: is there a gui way or do we have to change in /etc/pbbuttonsd.conf [06:54] raphink: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png [06:54] here is an example [06:54] robotgeek: man trackpad [06:55] raphink: awesome, better than /etc/pbb.. old habits die hard :) [06:55] robotgeek: use 'sudo trackpad tap' to activate tap-click for example [06:55] trackpad drag [06:55] and trackpad lock [06:55] respectively to allow dragging with the trackpad [06:56] and locking the drag until you tap again [06:56] so this is very useful [06:56] and this app is in powerpc-utils, so installed by default on ppc [06:56] it could be very nice to have a gui using it though [06:57] Tonio_: that bothers me too, but do you suggest to change text color to black when highlighted [06:57] raphink: beats changing it in a conf file :) [06:57] robotgeek: also found something great : nvsetvol [06:57] I would like more to just make blue a bith lighter [06:57] Lure: I don't think that is possible [06:57] cause openoffice doesn't really use QT directly [06:57] robotgeek: sudo "nvsetvol 0" and you don't have this annoying sound when booting the mac :) [06:57] my point of view would be a color which is not too clear and too dark [06:58] unless there is a way to patch openoffice [06:58] raphink: i don't have that installed, i think. plus i don't reboot my ibook :) [06:58] Tonio_: but which color does OOo choose then? [06:58] robotgeek: you have it installed for sure as it's part of powerpc-utils which is installed by default on ppc I think [06:58] iirc at least [06:58] Lure: OOo uses the standard qt color [06:58] Lure: but doesn't seem to manage the texte color changing in the menus [06:59] if the 6 wweek delay occurs it will affect kuubntu correct? [06:59] and I don't think patching this is easy ;) [06:59] what is man 8 ? [06:59] how does it differ from man 1 ? [06:59] Tonio_: another point to make those defaults (blue) more light ;-) [06:59] ah! time for second CC today [07:00] Lure: note that we have the problem in all gtk apps too [07:00] ;) [07:00] raphink: man 8 is admin command, 1 is regular commands [07:00] because of gtk_qt_engine [07:00] which means problem in firefox for example [07:00] which is widely used by kubuntu users [07:00] Lure: so /[s] bin/* have .8 and /usr/* have .1 ? [07:00] raphink: something like that [07:00] ok thanks :) [07:00] (but not always the case) [07:01] ;-) [07:01] 5 is config files, 2 is sytem calls and 3 is library calls (AFAIR) [07:01] ok let's move to #ubuntu-meeting === MrFaber [n=MrFaber@tor/session/x-011a019744a0d8e6] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:01] ok === MrFaber [n=MrFaber@tor/session/x-011a019744a0d8e6] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:08] Riddell: how much would a delay benifit kubuntu, the same amount? === mbiebl [n=michael@129.13.169.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:13] jjesse: more I'd say, since kde 3.5.2 release is just before and kde espresso needs work [07:14] then i would vote for it, if it makes things better === _nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:21] any meetings I _must_ be this week? [08:26] Riddell: http://wlassistant.sourceforge.net/ [08:26] testing if the bugs are gone [08:26] Riddell: any chance to get it in if that works ? [08:26] anythings gotta be better then kwifimanger :( [08:30] allee: ready to test ? ;) [08:38] Tonio_: what about knetworkmanager - on delay meetings it was noted that some forum people have working version [08:39] 0.6, which I think is needed for KDE frontend [08:39] Mark was also saying that they might consider if community provided workable version [08:41] Lure: hum, dunno [08:41] Lure: Riddell only can status on this... [08:42] Lure: I heard (but maybe I'm wrong) that knetworkmanager works only with cvs version on networkmanager [08:42] Riddell: can you confirm ? [08:42] I plan to install forum stuff and try GNOME applet - if it work, I may look for knetworkmanager [08:42] Lure: sure ! [08:42] Tonio_: I think CVS version was pre-0.6 at the time [08:42] but Riddell can probably confirm [08:42] Lure: this is a major, major, major issue for kubuntu [08:43] especially considering that laptop is a great priority for ubuntu [08:43] I can fix wpasupplicant for my needs (WPA), but I would like to have something better for others. ;-) [08:43] Lure: the best tool I've seen actually for kde is wlassistant, although it had 2 little, but really annoying bugs [08:43] But I have also powersave/kpowersave on my secret agenda... [08:44] Lure: that as already been discussed I think [08:44] the problem is that kpowerslave is duplicating the canonical stuff somehow [08:44] Tonio_: benefit of networkmanager is one base, two front-ends and this help (k)ubuntu [08:45] Lure: I must say I agreee that kpowersave is really, really better than klaptop [08:45] This is why poversave/kpowersave has issue (as base is different: acpi-support+powernowd vs. powersaved) [08:45] but I doubt that g-p-m people will switch to powersaved soon (as main developer do not want to) [08:45] yes but as ubuntu is developped with the best gnome apps, it is a bit sad removing kde killer appps because of that..... [08:45] This is why we need to make powersaved to "work-with" ubuntu infrastructure [08:46] Tonio_: yes, needs a CVS network manager [08:46] kpowersave is actually in the top 3 appications in kde-apps [08:46] Riddell: okay, that confirms :) [08:46] Riddell: what about wlassistant if the new version works quite correctly ? [08:46] Riddell: but what does "CVS version" mean - I though this was pre-0.6 (major rewrite) [08:46] and 0.6 is now released (with full WPA/WPA2 support) [08:47] Lure: is it ? didn't look at that........ interesting ! [08:47] Tonio_: it's been a while since I've used it, I'd need to look at it again [08:47] forum people took 0.6 and polished it for ubuntu [08:48] Riddell: I'm testing wlassistant for bugs and let you know ;) [08:48] major work was also on wpa_supplicant (which is used by 0,6) to respect /etc/network/interfaces [08:51] [19:32] sabdfl: re wpa: I have prepared with crimsun and kel modderman a new wpasupplicant package which integrates nicely in /etc/network/interfaces. I think it shouldn't be hard to integrate that to gnome-system-tools [08:54] Lure: even without wpa, a simply network tool is really needed :) [08:54] Riddell: isn't knetworkmanager okay with 0.6 new stable version ? === Tonio_ suddenly dreams of a wireless working tool in kubuntu dapper :) [08:55] Tonio_: agree and I think you should push wlassistant - do we need just UVF exception? [08:56] Tonio_: possibly, I don't know about network manager versioning [08:56] Riddell: okay [08:56] Lure: ready to investigate ? [08:56] but if it is, then great === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.241] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:56] I'm installing ndiswrapper on my laptop, let's go ! [08:57] WLAN management on Linux sucks in general [08:57] nlindblad: not with networkmanager [08:57] Tonio_: really? [08:57] yes [08:57] networkmanager is GREAT [08:58] Tonio_: will look into this - first need to get through forum stuff to understand pros/cons and have working nm-applet on my system [08:58] Lure: okay, keep in touch ;) === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-229-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:59] Tonio_: screenshots? [09:00] GNOME project?? [09:02] Riddell: are you coming to the TB ? [09:02] nlindblad: yes, GNOME project but with light-weigh front-end which was rewritten for KDE - knetworkmanager [09:02] raphink: yep [09:02] ok :) [09:02] raphink: anything I should look out for? [09:02] I might need your support :) [09:02] Lure: currently on Breezy, might be why I can't find it [09:02] raphink: oh, you're going for main? [09:03] yes [09:03] groovy [09:03] oh, something I probably should mention [09:03] raphink: good luck! [09:03] thanks [09:03] when trying Dapper out a few weeks ago, all programs using glibc segfaulted all the time and eventually the whole system refused to function [09:04] raphink: we really need more KDE guys in core-dev and similar... [09:04] Lure: which is why I'm going [09:05] might be nothing... === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.241] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:08] nlindblad: all? or just gnome programmes? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:10] Riddell: all programs [09:10] Riddell: I need your support and recommend too [09:10] Riddell: fresh Breezy install => Dapper [09:11] nlindblad: sounds nasty, let me know if you have the same issues with flight 5 [09:11] Riddell: yeah [09:12] Lure: not available for Breezy? [09:13] nlindblad: I don't think so - but if you are hanging on kubuntu-devel, you should run Dapper anyhow ;-) [09:13] hmm [09:13] really want my laptop stable [09:14] but workstation would be alright [09:14] sed -ie 's/breezy/dapper/g' /etc/apt/sources.list [09:14] freeflying-ibook: yep, I'm here :) [09:14] nlindblad: I understand - I am also on Breezy for my work time, but will switch with Flight5 [09:15] Riddell: thx [09:16] upgrading now [09:16] Lure: yeah [09:20] I want something stopping me from wasting the enourmus amount of time I sit in front of my computer [09:20] Kubuntu development is a good candidate for that [09:23] heh [09:23] raphink: congrats! [09:24] Riddell: congrats! [09:24] raphink: congrats :) [09:24] ? === Tm_T hides [09:24] w00t!!!!!!!! [09:24] thanks :) [09:25] damn, raphink congrats! [09:25] :D === robotgeek tabcompleted wrong! [09:25] raphink: congrats === raphink goes find some champaign :) [09:25] raphink get laid? [09:25] :) :) :) [09:25] ;--P [09:26] raphink: congrats [09:26] ty [09:26] cong-rats.. [09:26] something I miss in apt is the ability to process several operations at once [09:26]