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| robertj | would it be too late to get Wesnoth added to gnome-app-install? | 12:47 |
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| robertj | oh doh, it's already there under "Battle for Wesnoth" | 12:48 |
| robertj | <blush /> | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | robertj: glad we could help ;-) | 12:49 |
| nictuku | -) | 12:49 |
| === Burgwork waves the retroactive feature request wand | ||
| LaserJock | those are my favorite bug fixes | 12:50 |
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| Burgwork | robertj, generally, if it has a .desktop file, it should already be in g-a-i | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | robertj, what would be great is to find things that don't have a .desktop file and file a bug for those | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | preferably with a .desktop in the bug | 12:58 |
| robertj | yeah, I wonder if Wesnoth 1.1 should be shipped w/ dapper, it's a development release and online multiplayer doesn't work | 12:59 |
| robertj | whereas 1.0 is stable and has online multiplayer | 12:59 |
| Kyral | hmm | 12:59 |
| Kyral | how wanted is an easy setup for Xen in Dapper? | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, not likely for dapper, but dapper+1 | 12:59 |
| Kyral | Yah I should have said in general lol | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, as we are too late into freeze | 01:00 |
| Burgwork | but yes, Xen would be great | 01:00 |
| === Kyral has been obsessed with Xen recently, hence his lack of Ubuntu work | ||
| Burgwork | somebody did some work for SoC | 01:00 |
| Kyral | Yah | 01:00 |
| Kyral | Ed Despard | 01:00 |
| Kyral | he went to my university :P | 01:00 |
| Kyral | We had his server around in the COSI until recently | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | hmmm | 01:01 |
| Kyral | I guess I could start by writing something for the Wiki (my domain azuredreams.us runs on XenBreezy) | 01:01 |
| infinity | LaserJock: Giving it back isn't going to help, it needs some scons abuse love first. | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | infinity: yeah, slomo told me about that | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | infinity: is that in the works? | 01:06 |
| Mez | jdub: ping | 01:07 |
| Mez | jdub isnt here | 01:07 |
| Mez | hmm | 01:07 |
| Burgwork | Mez, he was active in gnome-hackers on gimpnet not 5 minutes ago | 01:08 |
| jdub | Mez: pong (geez, give me a second at least...) | 01:08 |
| Mez | oh hey jdub :D | 01:08 |
| Mez | didnt see you there :d | 01:08 |
| Mez | It's not showing you in /names | 01:08 |
| Mez | jdub: is it me - or does it seem a bit wrong to be able to - with the default ubuntu setup have the word "bullshit" appear in huge letters on your screen? | 01:08 |
| Mez | (and quite possibly in the edubuntu default install too - havent tested that yet) | 01:09 |
| jdub | if you gave me some context, i could probably answer | 01:09 |
| infinity | LaserJock: I'll sort it today. | 01:09 |
| Mez | jdub: context | 01:09 |
| Mez | you're sitting there nicely doodling on a pad next to your computer | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | infinity: oh cool. Thanks. | 01:10 |
| Mez | the screensaver kicks in and you see the words "wave your bullshit wand with me" scrolling across the screen | 01:10 |
| jdub | if you're saying that planet ubuntu shouldn't be used as the RSS source for the screensavers, i agree. | 01:11 |
| jdub | i dunno why you're asking me though. | 01:11 |
| Mez | jdub: is that where it came from? | 01:11 |
| jdub | sounds like a worthwhile bug. | 01:11 |
| Mez | jdub: didnt know it was getting it from planet | 01:11 |
| jdub | and i'd suggest using the fridge instead. | 01:11 |
| Mez | but it jsut severly f**ked up a presentation :D | 01:11 |
| Kyral | Actually I should email Jeff about linking in my blog to Planet | 01:11 |
| jdub | please do - planet ubuntu is a bit slow ;-) | 01:12 |
| Mez | jdub: I only asked you as your name appeared next to it | 01:12 |
| Mez | I didnt know it was getting it from planet | 01:12 |
| jdub | ogra: ping (rss url in screensavers) | 01:12 |
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| Mez | but It's not good when trying to persuade people the ability of ubuntu to hae that scrolling across the screen on a projector ;) | 01:13 |
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| Mez | jdub: should I report a bug | 01:13 |
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| jdub | Mez: yeah | 01:14 |
| Mez | x-screensaver? | 01:14 |
| jdub | Mez: make sure to cc ogra on it | 01:14 |
| jdub | yeah | 01:14 |
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| Mez | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/34829 | 01:17 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 34829 in xscreensaver "RSS feed from planet" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 01:17 |
| Mez | hey jdong | 01:17 |
| jdong | hey, mez | 01:17 |
| jdong | Dapper's coming together quite nicely | 01:18 |
| jdong | I've upgraded most of my systems over to Dapper | 01:18 |
| jdong | successful upgrades, BTW | 01:18 |
| jdong | great work, everyone | 01:18 |
| Mez | jdong: couldnt agree more | 01:19 |
| Mez | though - the orange ... | 01:19 |
| jdong | Mez: it brightens up my desktop a bit :) | 01:19 |
| jdong | and I appreciate that | 01:19 |
| jdong | Mez: aren't you a kubuntu user anyway? ;) | 01:19 |
| Mez | jdong: yes | 01:19 |
| Mez | so I'm lucky | 01:19 |
| Mez | I get blue | 01:19 |
| jdong | HEH | 01:20 |
| Kyral | mmm KDE... | 01:20 |
| jdong | geez is cdimage.ubuntu.com slow | 01:20 |
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| Mez | jdub: oh, your blog is down | 01:20 |
| jdub | yep | 01:24 |
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| PuppiesOnAcid | How come XChat wasn't included in Dapper Flight 5? | 01:25 |
| Burgwork | PuppiesOnAcid, we are no longer shipping a seperate IRC client | 01:26 |
| === sivang also neesd his blog to be in planel, when he starts to write on it. | ||
| === Kyral blinks | ||
| Kyral | "seperate" | 01:26 |
| Kyral | wasn't XChat the default client? | 01:26 |
| Burgwork | sivang, I want to see backup hotness | 01:26 |
| PuppiesOnAcid | Burgwork: What'st he reason for that? I'm just curious. | 01:26 |
| jdub | Kyral: you can install xchat very easily | 01:26 |
| Burgwork | PuppiesOnAcid, not enough of the user base is actuallly using irc | 01:26 |
| jdub | Burgwork: don't confuse it by saying it like that | 01:26 |
| PuppiesOnAcid | Burgwork: Ah, interesting. | 01:27 |
| Burgwork | jdub, hmm? | 01:27 |
| Kyral | jdub, I know :P | 01:27 |
| Burgwork | that is my understanding | 01:27 |
| Kyral | jdub, frankly I use Konversation or Irssi | 01:27 |
| Burgwork | oh, I said seperate because of gaim | 01:27 |
| jdub | Burgwork: that's a very confusing and roundabout way to say what we've done | 01:27 |
| jdub | exactly | 01:27 |
| jdub | that's irrelevant :0 | 01:27 |
| Burgwork | ok | 01:27 |
| jdub | :) rather | 01:27 |
| Kyral | Burgwork, you consider GAIM's lame excuse of a client an IRC Client? | 01:27 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, it exists. It has no bearing on not shipping xchat | 01:28 |
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| jdub | "we're not shipping a gui irc client out of the box, because it only serves the needs of a very small niche" | 01:28 |
| Kyral | jdub, doesn't the default homepage mention IRC? (I haven't seen it in a while) | 01:28 |
| jdub | "you can install it very easily in moments" | 01:28 |
| jdub | Kyral: i believe that's changed | 01:29 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, yes it does and the doc team is discussing what to do | 01:29 |
| === Kyral sighs | ||
| jdub | (but it wasn't a hugely useful thing to say anyway) | 01:29 |
| Kyral | oy oy oy | 01:29 |
| Kyral | I'm just getting flashbacks to the reason why Build-Essential isn't installed by default... | 01:29 |
| Burgwork | neither b-e or xchat is going to be used by your mother, or the guy in the next cubicle | 01:30 |
| jdub | man, the rationale for skipping b-e is even stronger than xchat | 01:30 |
| Kyral | Burgwork, you don't know how much crap I get from my Linux friends about the fact that they have to manually install a compiler | 01:30 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, there are lots of other linux distros out there... | 01:31 |
| Burgwork | plus, it really is easy to install | 01:31 |
| Kyral | Burgwork, I know, I sometimes just get sick of the multiple jokes at Ubuntu's expense in the COSI | 01:31 |
| Kyral | it's just venting ATM | 01:31 |
| Burgwork | what people really want is a stable system | 01:31 |
| Kyral | "Ubuntu is for Communists" | 01:31 |
| HrdwrBoB | apt-get install build-essential is so head? | 01:32 |
| jdub | Kyral: technically proficient person being teased by technically proficient people for installing something that is not of interest or use to 99% of the population is not great rationale for shipping something that is not of interest or use to 99% of the population | 01:32 |
| HrdwrBoB | hard | 01:32 |
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| Burgwork | my boss is busy discovering what happens when you base your product on a non-stable platform (Fedora) | 01:32 |
| Kyral | HrdwrBoB, I think its just taking cracks at Ubuntu's success | 01:32 |
| HrdwrBoB | Kyral: it's basically old school unix people who think that things should be hard | 01:32 |
| HrdwrBoB | and can't see a reason why you would make it easy | 01:33 |
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| Kyral | HrdwrBoB, I get that way sometimes lol | 01:33 |
| sladen | technical jab at jdub | 01:33 |
| jdub | sladen: actually take a jab then | 01:33 |
| Kyral | I'm one of those idiots who gets nostaligic at doing the ./configure && make && sudo make install dance | 01:33 |
| Kyral | who wants to do a LFS install "just to see what its like" | 01:35 |
| Kyral | -ERANT | 01:35 |
| Burgwork | I am not and that is why I like Ubuntu | 01:35 |
| Kyral | Burgwork, Oh I get lazy sometimes. But I'm curious as all hell | 01:35 |
| Burgwork | I don't call it lazy. I have a finite amount of time. I would rather spend it on more interesting (to me) things | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: +1 | 01:36 |
| Kyral | Burgwork, and this is interesting lol | 01:36 |
| === sivang had the privilige to see how things evolved from sort of that way, to the out of the box way currently in dapper. this is _sweet_ | ||
| Kyral | I mean I COULD have done my webserver without Xen | 01:37 |
| Kyral | and have it done easier | 01:37 |
| HrdwrBoB | Kyral: I'm old and agree with Burgwork | 01:37 |
| Kyral | but I wanted to learn about Xen | 01:37 |
| HrdwrBoB | I choose to spend my time on more productive things | 01:37 |
| jdub | Kyral: different use case | 01:37 |
| Kyral | Then again, Burgwork, you guilt trip people into packaging for you :P | 01:37 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, I find packaging hard and baffling. That time thing again | 01:38 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:38 |
| Kyral | Burgwork, I know :P | 01:38 |
| Kyral | ack! Gotta fetch the dog! | 01:38 |
| === Kyral shrugs | ||
| Kyral | sorry for the rant lol | 01:38 |
| Kyral | I mean I know people want things to just work. When I install my on my laptop I want it to go quick | 01:39 |
| Kyral | (why am I using Debian Sid then...) | 01:39 |
| Kyral | Acutally when I do that Xen thing (maybe, depends on how much time I have during he summer) | 01:41 |
| Kyral | I plan to write a GUI for it as well | 01:41 |
| Kyral | granted this means learning PyGTK and how to integrate it into the GNOME and KDE control centers... | 01:43 |
| Kyral | but, more tools under my belt, more skills to go on the resume | 01:43 |
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| Kyral | hey bddebian | 02:21 |
| bddebian | Howdy Kyral | 02:21 |
| tritium | hey bddebian | 02:22 |
| bddebian | tritium!!! | 02:22 |
| tritium | :) | 02:22 |
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| nate_ | can someone point me to the d-i preseed file docs? | 05:18 |
| infinity | Riddell: kde-systemsettings is FTBFS, seems to want to $DISPLAY set during the build or some such.. | 05:21 |
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| robscheck | has anyone already packaged up gnash (FSF's flash player) on any of the repos? | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | Seveas: ping? | 05:36 |
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| infinity | LaserJock: supercollider isn't 64-bit clean, it looks like. Fails on ia64 and amd64 while trying to cast a 64-bit int to a 32-bit one (Woo, special).. Looking at a successful build on one of the 32-bit arches, it looks like the source suffers from type schizophrenia all over the place. Fix all the warning on i386, and it'll be happy on amd64. | 05:59 |
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| LaserJock | infinity: ok, thanks for looking at it | 06:00 |
| infinity | LaserJock: Anyhow, the buildd problem that was making it fail everywhere has been fixed, so if you fix the type issues, it'll be all good. | 06:02 |
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| dholbach | morning | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | morning dholbach | 08:52 |
| Mithrandir | iz triplicate dholbach. | 08:52 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: :-p | 08:52 |
| infinity | Ah-ha, just the man I was looking for. | 08:54 |
| infinity | dholbach: gnome-applets is FTBFS on all arches, and it's ALL YOUR FAULT. | 08:54 |
| infinity | dholbach: Or something. :) | 08:54 |
| dholbach | infinity: merci | 08:55 |
| dholbach | will poke it | 08:55 |
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| sivang | morning all | 09:18 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: can I use you as a helping hand then ? :) | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | sivang: for which? testing? | 09:19 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: erm, a bit of development still to go? | 09:20 |
| sivang | morning dholbach , Mithrandir | 09:20 |
| Mithrandir | hi sivang | 09:20 |
| sivang | and former canadian infinity | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | sivang: you asking me to produce actual code? That wierd stuff called "C" or "Python"? :) | 09:20 |
| dholbach | hi sivang | 09:20 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: ah ah ah | 09:20 |
| sivang | Burgundavia: the less weird Python :) | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | you really don't want to see my python | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | I realized about a year ago that my talents are better suited away from code, packaging and those internal bits | 09:21 |
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| fabbione | dholbach: ping? | 09:31 |
| dholbach | fabbione: pong | 09:31 |
| fabbione | dholbach: i am having an issue with libgstreamer.. is there any way i can enable some extra debugging options without rebuiling? | 09:32 |
| fabbione | (using gdb is not an option atm) | 09:32 |
| dholbach | fabbione: what does it do/not do? | 09:32 |
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| fabbione | dholbach: it BusError on sparc when used in combination with liboil. I need to find the code in libgstreamer that does use liboil. | 09:33 |
| fabbione | dholbach: so i am reducing the complexity of the code to get there.. and turned to be enough to call gst_init to make a mess | 09:34 |
| dholbach | there are quite some parts which use liboil | 09:34 |
| fabbione | dholbach: now.. i need to step trough gst_init -> gst_init_check to see where it dies | 09:34 |
| fabbione | dholbach: it's right at initialization | 09:34 |
| fabbione | so i don't need to get utterly crazy | 09:34 |
| dholbach | we have *-dbg packages | 09:35 |
| fabbione | yes and they are installed | 09:35 |
| fabbione | but it seems there is the option to enable some extra printf? | 09:35 |
| fabbione | ctx = g_option_context_new ("- GStreamer initialization"); | 09:35 |
| fabbione | for example | 09:35 |
| fabbione | how can i make that stuff to be logged somewhere? | 09:35 |
| dholbach | checking | 09:36 |
| fabbione | thanks | 09:36 |
| dholbach | '--gst-debug-level=5' | 09:37 |
| dholbach | http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/TriageGuide/ProductSpecificGuidelines | 09:37 |
| fabbione | ok thanks | 09:39 |
| dholbach | thank you | 09:39 |
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| jsgotangco | lol @ Seveas | 09:50 |
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| zakame | hi all | 09:58 |
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| Mithrandir | Seveas: you might want to +o yourself to be ready to kick people to get the crowd to be quiet. | 10:02 |
| Seveas | yeah | 10:02 |
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| jono | hey, what time is the community meeting today ? | 10:57 |
| Treenaks | jono: now, on ubuntu-meeting | 10:57 |
| Treenaks | jono: (1 hour ago, but still going) | 10:57 |
| jdub | jono: but it is not random discussion. ie. ssshhh. :) | 10:58 |
| jono | :) | 10:58 |
| jono | so have I missed anything major in the meeting? | 11:02 |
| jono | is the delay confirmed? | 11:02 |
| Treenaks | jono: no, not really | 11:02 |
| jono | ahh | 11:02 |
| Mithrandir | jono: no, it's not confirmed and won't be decided now anyway. There's a meeting tonight too. | 11:02 |
| Treenaks | jono: first hour or so was summing up comments/etc | 11:03 |
| Treenaks | jono: now sabdfl is replying | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | jono: read the log as posted in topic on u-m | 11:03 |
| jono | ahhh of course | 11:03 |
| jono | Mithrandir, cool | 11:03 |
| jdub | ogra: suse article? | 11:04 |
| whiprush | ogra: link pls. | 11:04 |
| whiprush | jono: did you get my book feedback? | 11:04 |
| jono | whiprush, certainly did, great feedback | 11:05 |
| jono | whiprush, the chapter I wrote was a little rushed due to insane schedules, so the feedback has been really useful :) | 11:05 |
| jono | I have added lots of new bits to it :) | 11:05 |
| whiprush | jono: this book will rule nonetheless. :) | 11:05 |
| jono | it will with feedback like yours whiprush :) | 11:05 |
| ogra | whiprush, jdub printed press | 11:06 |
| jono | can anyone make comments in this meeting or only certain people ? | 11:06 |
| Treenaks | jono: if you have a comment, /msg Seveas | 11:07 |
| jono | ok | 11:07 |
| jdub | ogra: synopsis? | 11:08 |
| ogra | jdub, suse got a very bad article in yesterdays german "linux user" | 11:09 |
| ogra | essentially about missing features, missing drivers and that they didnt even make it even they postponed the release 4 weeks | 11:09 |
| jdub | ah | 11:12 |
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| highvoltage | i'm asking here, as apposed to in meeting, has the option of having two 6.04 releases been mentioned yet, as in a 6.04 dapper, and then another 6.06 enterprise dapper? | 11:22 |
| jdub | highvoltage: btw, nexenta has always been based on ubuntu | 11:23 |
| jdub | highvoltage: yes, very early on, and discarded - we can't develop so many branches | 11:23 |
| highvoltage | jdub: ok on multi-versions, perhaps i should update my blog entry... /me grumbles... | 11:24 |
| jono | jdub, every time you say "heavy metal" in the meeting, my knees quiver with metal pride :P | 11:26 |
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| sivang | seb128: do you have any idea what ubuntu-fr are using for their content management? | 11:32 |
| sivang | smurf: is there a possibility to have MoinMoin as it's on the ubuntu.com website installed for a loco team site? | 11:33 |
| seb128 | no | 11:33 |
| sivang | smurf: (provided it's no longer Zope/Plone as I Understood) | 11:33 |
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| vuntz_ | sivang: for the ubuntu-fr wiki? | 11:36 |
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| Mithrandir | Seveas: (re the "Never seen a CEO take the community so serious" comment) read http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y ; scroll down to "community". :-) | 11:37 |
| vuntz_ | sivang: or the content management for antoher page? | 11:37 |
| Kamion | jono: my notes on the issue you raised say: | 11:38 |
| Kamion | * Diagnosed why partition automounting isn't working in the | 11:38 |
| Kamion | auto-resize case (method and acting_filesystem files not copied over | 11:38 |
| Kamion | to the new partman device directory). Not yet sure why or how to fix | 11:38 |
| Kamion | it. | 11:38 |
| Kamion | jono: AFAIK it's only a problem in the case where you're resizing an existing Windows partition | 11:38 |
| Kamion | jono: and it's just a bug, not a new feature that needs to be added | 11:38 |
| seb128 | Kamion: there is no automounting on the liveCD neither | 11:39 |
| Kamion | seb128: Mithrandir had code for that; not sure what happened to it | 11:39 |
| seb128 | Kamion: people tend to be disapointed by that because usually when they use the liveCD they would like to be able to use their win partition from the box | 11:39 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: ping? | 11:40 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: pong | 11:40 |
| Kamion | but that's an entirely separate problem, and not my problem ;) | 11:40 |
| seb128 | k | 11:40 |
| Kamion | yay conflation | 11:40 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: auto-mounting on win partitions for liveCD will happen before dapper? | 11:40 |
| seb128 | s/on/of | 11:40 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: we could do that, sure. | 11:40 |
| Mithrandir | just mount them all in /media should work? | 11:40 |
| jono | Kamion, from the users perspective it would be useful if any windows partitions were detected and device icons placed on the desktop | 11:41 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: yep | 11:41 |
| jono | Kamion, is that a resize issue? | 11:41 |
| pitti | I guess we could grab unmounted vfat partitions from hal and automount them | 11:41 |
| pitti | but that would require us to change our policy wrt to that | 11:41 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: that seems to be one of the frequent complain of people trying it on their box, they expect to be able to use their win partition (ie: have icons for them on the desktop) | 11:41 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: the live cd can do whatever it wants to. I'll probably chuck them in the fstab. | 11:41 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: true | 11:42 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: I'm wondering if we should mount them R/O or not, as IIRC, NTFS writing isn't too well supported. | 11:42 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: hmm, since the installer already puts them into fstab by default, that should reasonably settle installs too | 11:42 |
| jono | I think its a real showstopper for many people - you install this awesome distro graphically and then need need to hack /etc/fstab to get your windows disks to work | 11:42 |
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| Kamion | jono: Windows partitions are put in fstab already if you're not using the auto-resize thing | 11:42 |
| mjg59 | The kernel will refuse to mount ntfs partitions read/write unless you force it | 11:42 |
| mjg59 | So if they're going in fstab, they might as well go in rw | 11:43 |
| Kamion | jono: if you know of cases where it fails to work if you *aren't* resizing an existing Windows partition, I would like to know about it | 11:43 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: vfat RW, ntfs RO | 11:43 |
| jono | Kamion, ahhh maybe I am wrong | 11:43 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: agreed, but we'll get complaints about it. | 11:43 |
| seb128 | there is no other way around | 11:43 |
| Kamion | jono: icons on the desktop aren't my problem or domain of expertise | 11:43 |
| seb128 | ntfs writting doesn't work | 11:43 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: NTFS write support is broken to the point where creating, removing or resizing files will corrupt the filesystem | 11:43 |
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| Mithrandir | mjg59: joy. | 11:44 |
| spacey | jono: my ntfs disk is available in dapper, i never requested that | 11:44 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: But that's ok, because even if you ask to mount it rw, the kernel will ignore you | 11:44 |
| Kamion | jono: it is possible that it's broken in cases other than auto-resize - I'm serious about wanting bug reports about that | 11:44 |
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| jono | Kamion, ok, but are you willling to deal with the wrath of Susan when I install dapper on her machine and it eats the world :P | 11:45 |
| ogra | mdz, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/LtspBoot :) | 11:45 |
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| marty | can't ubuntu have a "out-of-box-experience" dialog that asks users how they want to handle the NTFS partitions it has found. i definitely wouldn't want NTFS write my default for atleast 6 months or more of solid testing in the wild | 11:49 |
| seb128 | marty: why asking, we just have to mount seems has readonly | 11:50 |
| seb128 | s/has/as | 11:50 |
| jdub | marty: how would you word that dialogue such that it didn't sound like the doc in BTTF explaining how the flux capacitor works? | 11:50 |
| Treenaks | jdub: Marty McFly? | 11:51 |
| jdub | Treenaks: i don't think that would adequately explain the issue | 11:51 |
| Treenaks | jdub: it does explain the BTTF experience | 11:51 |
| whiprush | flux capacitor ... fluxing | 11:52 |
| tepsipakki | mjg59: making ntfs show up as rw in fstab would confuse people | 11:53 |
| marty | jdub, true true - i guess might not want to scare the natives | 11:53 |
| ogra | jdub !!!! | 11:54 |
| seb128 | Kinnison: new g-p-m if you want to update it | 11:54 |
| ogra | bug 34829 | 11:54 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 34829 in xscreensaver "RSS feed from planet" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34829 | 11:54 |
| seb128 | ogra: did you do the g-s-s update yesterday? | 11:54 |
| ogra | jdub, calm your voice ! | 11:54 |
| ogra | seb128, yep | 11:54 |
| seb128 | k, just cleaning the "to package" list :p | 11:55 |
| ogra | seb128, ppc ftbfs though | 11:55 |
| jdub | ogra: hrm? | 11:55 |
| seb128 | pitti: you did do g-v-m yet? | 11:55 |
| seb128 | ogra: where do you find build logs nowadays? | 11:55 |
| ogra | jdub, see 34829 | 11:55 |
| jdub | oh yeah | 11:55 |
| jdub | you should totally use the fridge feed instead | 11:55 |
| seb128 | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds page has logs from previous month | 11:55 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/2.14.0-0ubuntu1 | 11:55 |
| Kamion | marty: there's no point until the kernel doesn't eat filesystems when you turn it on | 11:56 |
| ogra | seb128, see the right portlet | 11:56 |
| seb128 | ogra: you go package by package? | 11:56 |
| ogra | its a bit tricky to get there | 11:56 |
| seb128 | ogra: that's not suitable when you do 40 uploads in a row :/ | 11:56 |
| ogra | seb128, its the best opportunity until the buildlog page is fixed | 11:56 |
| jdub | ROAR sebuild ROAR | 11:56 |
| seb128 | ogra: yeah, I know that page, but I don't want to browse every single upload I did | 11:56 |
| seb128 | ogra: other is to wait for bugs, that's what I'm going to do | 11:57 |
| ogra | seb128, i understand ... i'm not fond of the logs page either | 11:57 |
| seb128 | jdub: :) | 11:57 |
| ogra | but there are more important LP bugs i guess | 11:57 |
| pitti | seb128: no, sorry, but I will now | 11:58 |
| pitti | Kinnison: hey Daniel, got a minute? | 11:59 |
| seb128 | pitti: np, before tomorrow would be nice so we have new GNOME on time :) | 11:59 |
| pitti | alright, will do now | 11:59 |
| pitti | seb128: before I'll do some bug triage to collect and sort all the free space notification bugs | 11:59 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, it would be good to get fresh langpacks tomorrow, right? | 12:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, they did quite some changes to it according to the ChangeLog | 12:00 |
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| pitti | seb128: right, and I'd like to sort/fix the bugs alongside | 12:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: that would rock, we will have new GNOME in by today, perfect timing | 12:00 |
| pitti | carlos: any chance to get rosetta data for tomorrow? or shall I build the packs the ol' way? | 12:00 |
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| carlos | pitti: dapper? | 12:01 |
| pitti | yes | 12:01 |
| carlos | pitti: no, sorry, still fighting with our test machinery that is preventing me to move my code into production | 12:02 |
| tepsipakki | seb128: how about malone #30384 for dapper? it's a oneliner, and fixes a bug | 12:03 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 30384 in gnome-session "gnome-session-save presents a gui always" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30384 | 12:03 |
| pitti | seb128: current dload-strippedtar.txt looks pretty good, thanks to your pot generation fixes | 12:03 |
| seb128 | tepsipakki: I'll have a look later but I'm not convinced it's useful and should go upstream | 12:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: do you have it somewhere? I though it was pending on pqm or something? | 12:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: you're welcome :) | 12:03 |
| pitti | seb128: 'it'? | 12:03 |
| seb128 | dload-strippedtar.txt | 12:04 |
| tepsipakki | seb128: well, is there another way of shutting the session down from cmdline? | 12:04 |
| seb128 | tepsipakki: no, but there is an API which should be used from programs and which works fine | 12:04 |
| jono | do we have any further idea if the shipit CDs will just include the Live CD with espresso? | 12:05 |
| tepsipakki | seb128: ok, but making gnome-screensaver use that certainly wouldn't cut it in time ;) | 12:05 |
| seb128 | why the heck doesn't a screensaver needs to save your session? | 12:06 |
| pitti | seb128: it's on the usual place: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/dload-strippedtar.txt | 12:06 |
| tepsipakki | classroom use: you have the screen locked for a preset time and then anyone can log you out | 12:07 |
| pitti | seb128: that's just my script that builds a rosetta-like tarball from the buildd output | 12:07 |
| seb128 | pitti: it was not updated for some time, I though it was broken by move to soyuz or something | 12:07 |
| pitti | seb128: right, we fixed it again | 12:07 |
| seb128 | ah, ok, I though that was pending an action from carlos in fact | 12:07 |
| seb128 | cool | 12:07 |
| pitti | seb128: well, it wasn't exactly broken in the bug sense, it was just designed that way before | 12:07 |
| seb128 | it still has outdated datas, I guess it has missed some uploads and will update those with next upload? | 12:08 |
| seb128 | like gnumeric | 12:09 |
| seb128 | "W: gnumeric_1.6.2-0ubuntu3: 2 domains, but 0 pot files" | 12:09 |
| Kamion | apologies for cdimage breakage today, was due to some non-g+s directories - fixed builds are in progress now | 12:09 |
| seb128 | and we have gnumeric_1.6.2-0ubuntu4 atm | 12:09 |
| pitti | seb128: right, many tarballs weren't exported, specifically the ones between Feb 25 and March 3 (or so) | 12:12 |
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| thep | Kamion, hello from localisation sprint. I'm Thep from Thailand. | 12:34 |
| jono | does the PC version of Dapper work on Xeon? | 12:34 |
| Mithrandir | jono: yes. | 12:35 |
| HrdwrBoB | yes | 12:35 |
| pitti | hi thep | 12:35 |
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| jono | thanks | 12:35 |
| thep | pitti, hi | 12:35 |
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| thep | I'd like to check what's done for Thai environment in ubuntu installer | 12:36 |
| thep | http://linux.thai.net/~thep/ubuntu/thai-issues.html <-- Here are summarised issues for Thai. The packaging are mostly done. But the installer concern remains. | 12:38 |
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| Kamion | thep: # Thai environment in installer + live CD | 01:00 |
| Kamion | * th_TH.TIS-620, th_TH.UTF-8 locale generation | 01:00 |
| Kamion | this one? | 01:00 |
| Kamion | console-tools, console-data: Thai console fonts and keymap | 01:00 |
| Kamion | presumably that too | 01:00 |
| Kamion | the locale should be generated automatically when language-pack-th is installed, although at present only UTF-8 locales are generated | 01:01 |
| Kamion | Thai has no translations in d-i at present | 01:02 |
| thep | yup. | 01:02 |
| Kamion | does Thai require combining character support? | 01:02 |
| Kamion | are there any console fonts for it at present? | 01:02 |
| thep | Yes. | 01:02 |
| Kamion | yes to which? sorry I asked two yes/no questions at once | 01:03 |
| thep | I also plan to do it after desktop tasks. | 01:03 |
| thep | I mean, the console fonts. | 01:03 |
| Kamion | ok | 01:03 |
| thep | and keymap | 01:03 |
| Kamion | it is very difficult to incorporate new installer translations after upstream version freeze :( | 01:03 |
| Kamion | there are several dozen packages involved and all of them have to be uploaded | 01:04 |
| thep | I see. | 01:04 |
| Kamion | it might be easier to concentrate on espresso for now ... though the localisation framework for that isn't complete yet, which is my problem and something I have to work on RSN | 01:04 |
| jordi | Kamion: hey dude | 01:04 |
| thep | What is espresso? | 01:04 |
| Kamion | thep: live CD-based installer | 01:04 |
| jordi | Kamion: regarding espresso, I wanted to talk to you about it. | 01:05 |
| Kamion | jordi: yes, I saw your question, but there's probably not much I can say until I get the localisation framework done ... | 01:05 |
| jordi | mdz tells me you've tried to reuse strings from di | 01:05 |
| Kamion | yes | 01:05 |
| jordi | oh. | 01:05 |
| mdz | there will be important new strings though | 01:05 |
| jordi | is it safe to create a master-file by hand now that I can feed people with? | 01:05 |
| Kamion | indeed, we can only reuse a subset | 01:05 |
| Kamion | jordi: no no no no no | 01:05 |
| Kamion | sorry | 01:05 |
| jordi | ok ok ok :) | 01:06 |
| Kamion | it's just not in place yet | 01:06 |
| mdz | Kamion: what sort of work needs to be done there? | 01:06 |
| jordi | ok, was just wondering | 01:06 |
| Kamion | mdz: debconf escape extension so that I can put multi-line strings there | 01:06 |
| jordi | this is planned for dapper still, right? | 01:06 |
| Kamion | yes | 01:06 |
| jordi | k | 01:06 |
| mdz | Kamion: can you get Mithrandir or Kinnison cracking on that? | 01:06 |
| Kamion | mdz: please, I've already got it mostly done, don't make me farm it out now :) | 01:06 |
| jordi | :) | 01:07 |
| Kamion | it would not be productive to give it to somebody else at this stage | 01:07 |
| thep | Regarding XKB setup, it's done in xserver-xorg, right? | 01:07 |
| Kamion | thep: yeah | 01:07 |
| thep | I remember debian's xorg left some incomplete default for Thai keymap | 01:08 |
| thep | Just not sure about ubuntu | 01:08 |
| thep | The default keymap should be the combined us,th | 01:09 |
| Kamion | th isn't in the list at present | 01:09 |
| Kamion | console-data support is a prerequisite for that | 01:09 |
| Seveas | mdz, sabdfl, ping | 01:09 |
| Kamion | because xorg calculates the default XKB setup from the console font selected by d-i | 01:10 |
| thep | Oh, so, I need to do console-data, anyway. | 01:10 |
| soumyadip | Kamion, can you spare a couple of minutes ? | 01:10 |
| thep | s/I/we/ | 01:11 |
| Kamion | soumyadip: not lots - what's it about? | 01:11 |
| soumyadip | Kamion, well I'm facing a problem with font selection for Bengali in Firefox | 01:11 |
| pitti | soumyadip: can you please open a bug about it against firefox? | 01:11 |
| mdz | Seveas: ? | 01:12 |
| soumyadip | Kamion, for Bengali the default font is Freeserif | 01:12 |
| soumyadip | pitti, well I'm not sure it is a Firefox bug | 01:12 |
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| pitti | mvo: ^ this might be sth for your spring | 01:12 |
| pitti | sprint, too | 01:12 |
| thep | Actually, I used to patch debian's old version of console-data and console-tools. Just need to update the patches. | 01:12 |
| pitti | soumyadip: mvo is currently on an l10n sprint with some Asian guys, maybe they can work that out? | 01:12 |
| soumyadip | Kamion, for all other languages like Hindi, Tamil, the appropriate fonts from ttf-indic-fonts is substituted | 01:12 |
| soumyadip | pitti, which channel ? | 01:13 |
| pitti | mvo? ^ | 01:13 |
| mvo | #ubuntu-l10n | 01:13 |
| soumyadip | ok mvo | 01:14 |
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| Kamion | soumyadip: sorry, I really don't know anything about X font configuration | 01:15 |
| Kamion | thep: happy to take such patches | 01:15 |
| soumyadip | Kamion, ok, I'm talking to the people on #ubuntu-l10n | 01:16 |
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| thep | Kamion, will do it soon in this sprint. | 01:18 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, could you check the g-s-s suspend issue during the day ? | 01:27 |
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| jono | is there any docs anywhere which dictate how a server install differs from a normal install ? | 01:31 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: I haven't seen it affect me today, but I could kill g-p-m and see if that "fixes" it. | 01:31 |
| ogra | heh | 01:31 |
| ogra | but that sounds promising ... | 01:32 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: if I yell at you in five minutes, it's still broken. :-) | 01:32 |
| ogra | so i'd have at least one bug squashed with the last upload, seems the flickering still happens | 01:32 |
| ogra | *sigh* | 01:32 |
| Kamion | jono: /preseed/server.seed on the CD images | 01:34 |
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| jono | Kamion, cheers | 01:37 |
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| mdz | ogra: any news on the gnome-screensaver flickering? | 01:46 |
| ogra | mdz, only that its still there | 01:47 |
| ogra | at least according to the people on the bugs ... | 01:47 |
| ogra | but i hope i have the "ignores input after suspend" bug fixed | 01:47 |
| ogra | (waiting for feedback) | 01:49 |
| sladen | ogra: I'll test it now | 01:49 |
| Seveas | Meeting Summary done - mail sent to devel/users/sounder lists. | 01:50 |
| mdz | ogra: jordi should be able to confirm | 01:50 |
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| ogra | mdz, i know the flickering is still there, i have several bugs where people confirmed ... | 01:51 |
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| ogra | having one of the two majors fixed would already be cool though ... | 01:52 |
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| elkbuntu | i'm about to restart x or reboot, which would youse prefer for testing purposes ;) | 02:11 |
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| sivang | any X experts aroud to debug an X600 ati Xorg problem with breezy on a brand new AMD64 machine? | 02:20 |
| sivang | (I reckon it's more then the average user problem, that's why I'd ask here) | 02:20 |
| fabbione | Kamion: do you have 2 minutes to do a couple of override magic tricks for me? | 02:21 |
| elkbuntu | everyone seems mostly absent or very busy with other things at the moment sivang | 02:21 |
| janimo | sivang, what probem | 02:21 |
| janimo | lockup? | 02:21 |
| janimo | pci id of card? | 02:22 |
| doko | Kamion, ogra, pitti: please could one of you check #34884 on powerpc, first without upgrading? | 02:22 |
| Kamion | fabbione: sure | 02:23 |
| ogra | bug #34884 | 02:23 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 34884 in Ubuntu "crash when opening oo.o" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34884 | 02:23 |
| fabbione | Kamion: great!.. libc6-sparc* | 02:23 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i did seed them as you asked into minimal.. i think i have done it properly | 02:23 |
| fabbione | Kamion: but they still don't get installed by default.. | 02:24 |
| sivang | janimo: looks like pci id of card | 02:24 |
| sivang | janimo: and duplicate symbol problem when using the open source driver | 02:24 |
| fabbione | Kamion: do you need to also change the overrides somewhere else? | 02:24 |
| janimo | what is the pci id of the card? :)) | 02:24 |
| ogra | doko, starts here, but i'm pretty outdated with my system | 02:24 |
| fabbione | Kamion: note that i did use netinstall | 02:24 |
| Kamion | fabbione: I can't change priorities yet - tool problem | 02:24 |
| janimo | sivang, fresh breezy install fails to start X, gives SIGILL or similar? | 02:24 |
| Kamion | fabbione: your packages are on the list at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/jessica.txt, but I just can't process them yet | 02:25 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ah ok.. do you want me to remind you or will it autohappen? | 02:25 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ah ok :) thanks | 02:25 |
| ogra | doko, still using 2.0.1-0ubuntu3 | 02:25 |
| sivang | janimo: fails to start X | 02:28 |
| janimo | sivang, there's an old bug open even from bugzilla times on this X600 issue | 02:28 |
| janimo | set option NoAccel true in xorg.conf under Device section | 02:29 |
| sivang | janimo: let's see, why aren't we fixing it ? :) | 02:29 |
| sivang | janimo: /me checks | 02:29 |
| janimo | sivang, cause it's breezy | 02:29 |
| fabbione | sivang: because you didn't provide us a patch yet? | 02:29 |
| ogra | doko, for the upgrade i'll have to wait until DSL is back, i'm currently on ISDN ... (ETA 17:00) | 02:29 |
| janimo | fabbione: there was a patch actually but this did not make it to breezy updates after all | 02:30 |
| sivang | fabbione: indeed, true :) | 02:30 |
| fabbione | and it probably doesn't even apply anymore | 02:30 |
| fabbione | sivang: well check and see if it fixes the problem | 02:30 |
| janimo | fabbione: for breezy it applies, the problem is not in dapper | 02:30 |
| janimo | fabbione: he'd need to rebuild xorg for that :) | 02:30 |
| fabbione | janimo: so ? | 02:30 |
| sivang | fabbione: what do you mean " doea not apply?" , not trying to bug, just trying to understand :) | 02:31 |
| fabbione | it doesn't take long | 02:31 |
| janimo | there are i386 debs attac hed to the pacth but no amd64 ones | 02:31 |
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| janimo | fabbione: but it takes knowledge | 02:31 |
| sivang | fabbione: I need to pull out also Xorg build macros or something, I missed those when I tried to fix the Xgl rgb.txt path bug. | 02:31 |
| fabbione | janimo: you joking? | 02:31 |
| fabbione | janimo: apt-get source && patch && apt-get build-dep && dpkg-buildpackage | 02:32 |
| fabbione | janimo: what knowledge do you need to do that? | 02:32 |
| ogra | and dpkg -i :) | 02:32 |
| janimo | fabbione: no I am not. telling users to rebuild iis not a solution to fixing bugs :) | 02:32 |
| fabbione | janimo: sivang is not a noirmal user | 02:32 |
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| fabbione | janimo: otherwise i wouldn't asked | 02:32 |
| janimo | otherwise there would be no need for buildd, just source packages in the archive | 02:32 |
| janimo | fabbione: sivang said he's got a friend with the problem | 02:33 |
| janimo | skill may not be transmittable over phone for instance ;) | 02:33 |
| fabbione | janimo: and i give sivang the extra hint to start debugging it himself... | 02:33 |
| fabbione | also.. if that's the case he shouldn't be asking here.. | 02:33 |
| janimo | fabbione: ok | 02:34 |
| janimo | fabbione: btw is there a mechanism when generating xorg conf to tailor it to specific cards, with blacklisting and such | 02:34 |
| janimo | say if a pci id is known to behave bad with dri not put a dri option in xorg.conf? | 02:35 |
| janimo | in the ubuntu install obviously | 02:35 |
| fabbione | janimo: somehow... | 02:35 |
| janimo | details? source pkg? | 02:36 |
| fabbione | x-common or xorg-common iirc | 02:36 |
| elkbuntu | why is there 2 different screensaver preferences dialog things in the system -> preferences menu? | 02:36 |
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| ogra | elkbuntu, because you have xscreensaver installed... remove it ... as the upgrade tool does if you use it :) | 02:37 |
| Robot101 | ogra: I discovered that this not-detecting-activity bug only happens when on battery power | 02:38 |
| elkbuntu | ogra, i've been upgrading, i upgraded about half an hour ago... | 02:38 |
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| ogra | elkbuntu, with the distro upgrade tool from mvo's repository ? | 02:38 |
| ogra | Robot101, does it still happen for you with 2.14 ? | 02:39 |
| elkbuntu | ogra, uh i did, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, what is this tool? | 02:39 |
| Robot101 | ogra: aha, let me upgrade | 02:39 |
| ogra | (there was a patch upstream that should have solved it) | 02:39 |
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| ogra | and since Mithrandir didnt yell at me it seems its at least fixed for him :) | 02:40 |
| elkbuntu | ogra was that to me or Robot101? | 02:40 |
| ogra | elkbuntu, to Robot101 | 02:40 |
| Robot101 | ogra: hm, ubuntu-desktop seems to dep on xscreensaver-{data,gl} | 02:40 |
| Robot101 | does gnome-screensaver use them? | 02:40 |
| ogra | Robot101, thats fine, they holde the hacks | 02:40 |
| ogra | yup | 02:40 |
| Treenaks | is gnome bugzilla slow, or is it just me? | 02:40 |
| ogra | elkbuntu, see the ubuntu-devel mailing list, the tool is announced there anywhere | 02:40 |
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| ogra | elkbuntu, thats where development coordiantion happens :) | 02:42 |
| elkbuntu | is this distro upgrade tool very recent? | 02:42 |
| ogra | its developed in the dapper dev cycle | 02:43 |
| elkbuntu | the dev mailing list archives are not displayed on the forum? | 02:44 |
| ogra | nope | 02:45 |
| ogra | (afaik) | 02:45 |
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| Treenaks | Internal Server Error | 02:46 |
| elkbuntu | hehe, where can i see archives of the list then? | 02:46 |
| ogra | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel | 02:46 |
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| ogra | sladen, wow, thanks a lot for that summary ... i'll look into it | 02:54 |
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| elkbuntu | ogra, i'm not sure this is making a difference since my system is already at up-to-date dapper... | 03:04 |
| elkbuntu | actually, i rephrase, this is not making any difference. both screensaver things are still there | 03:05 |
| ogra | just uninstall xscreensaver... the upgrade tool would/should do it for you if you use it | 03:05 |
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| Robot101 | did anyone start hacking on sending dbus messages over X? | 03:11 |
| Robot101 | I remember someone talking about it here...? Mithrandir? | 03:11 |
| Robot101 | ogra: do you know of any dbus/X crack? | 03:14 |
| Mithrandir | Robot101: I've pondered doing it, yes. | 03:14 |
| Mithrandir | Robot101: it should be easy enough to do | 03:15 |
| sivang | janimo: this settings should work only with fglrx or ati FOSS driver? | 03:16 |
| janimo | sivang: ati for sure don't know about fglrx | 03:17 |
| janimo | but the UI will be very slow | 03:17 |
| janimo | so probably use fglrx for the moment | 03:17 |
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| sivang | janimo: okay, I'll try. | 03:18 |
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| ogra | Robot101, we'll need it for ltsp local device support, which was postponed to dapper+1 | 03:29 |
| Robot101 | ogra: people are discussing it in #dbus atm | 03:29 |
| ogra | cool, so we might get it for free in dapper+1 :) | 03:30 |
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| nate_ | ok, time to annoy you guys now | 03:36 |
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| ogra | bbl | 03:41 |
| Mithrandir | Robot101: fsvo discussion. It seems quite slow. | 03:45 |
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| Robot101 | Mithrandir: well, we kinda discussed it already.. | 03:47 |
| Mithrandir | care to drop me the log? | 03:47 |
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| zul | heylo | 03:47 |
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| Robot101 | Mithrandir: http://pastebin.com/601334 | 03:48 |
| Mithrandir | Robot101: cheers | 03:49 |
| Mithrandir | Robot101: ok, so not much interesting really, more "would it be possible". | 03:52 |
| Mithrandir | Robot101: I'm not sure what to use for the actual communication, pondering X properties, but that's evil too. | 03:52 |
| Robot101 | Mithrandir: if we are going to talk about it --> #dbus :) | 03:53 |
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| thep | Kamion, Thai patches for console-tools and console-data are done. | 04:37 |
| Kamion | in malone? | 04:37 |
| thep | http://linux.thai.net/~thep/ubuntu/debs/ | 04:38 |
| thep | source is under source/* | 04:38 |
| thep | console-tools is patched for Thai keysyms. | 04:39 |
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| thep | Then, console-data provides the keyboard layout based on the keysyms. So, it also recommends the corresponding version of console-tools | 04:40 |
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| bddebian | Hey folks. I'm trying to install Flight-5 server install on a Compaq Proliant ML350 and I get the following: ACPI: Looking for DSDT... Not found! And it's hung. Any ideas? | 04:47 |
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| Kamion | mdz: second iteration of debconf escape patch checked in upstream - just asking joeyh to re-review it now | 04:55 |
| tseng | Kamion: hm gtk-sharp didnt get demoted | 04:55 |
| Kamion | tseng: hm I didn't get round to it | 04:56 |
| tseng | Kamion: no problem. | 04:56 |
| mdz | Kamion: ok | 04:56 |
| Kamion | tseng: I have to go to the hardware store | 04:58 |
| Kamion | just now, but I'll look when I get back | 04:58 |
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| doko | Mithrandir, Kamion: booting on powerpc, I get a kernel panic: RAMDISK: ran out of compressed data | 05:00 |
| doko | up to date dapper | 05:00 |
| tseng | Kamion: hey, thanks alot. | 05:01 |
| Mithrandir | doko: cd boot? | 05:01 |
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| doko | Mithrandir: no, just updated an existing installation | 05:03 |
| Mithrandir | doko: hmm, sounds like your initramfs is broken, then | 05:03 |
| doko | Mithrandir: which script does create the initramfs? from which maintainer script? | 05:05 |
| CarlFK | doko: does PPC have something like ramdisk_size=16098? | 05:05 |
| Mithrandir | doko: update-initramfs, the kernel | 05:06 |
| ogra | doko, postinst of linux-image-$(uname -r) calls update-initramfs | 05:07 |
| ogra | iirc | 05:07 |
| doko | Mithrandir: hmm, the script doesn't check for file system full? | 05:09 |
| Mithrandir | doko: no idea. | 05:09 |
| nate_ | dapper....upgrade...taking....forever | 05:09 |
| Mithrandir | doko: (I have no idea why you're asking me; I haven't hacked those scripts at all, it's infinity-land) | 05:09 |
| ogra | doko, youre a dev, youre supposed to have enough diskspace :P | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 05:10 |
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| CarlFK | I think middle click isn't working on yesterdays dapper. | 05:14 |
| pitti | Keybuk: hi | 05:18 |
| pitti | Keybuk: is there a modern counterpart for /proc/bus/usb/devices? or just pick the devices out of sysfs manually? | 05:18 |
| pitti | Keybuk: gnome-pilot is currently broken (bug 25653), and changuing /proc to /dev is not a biggie, but it reads /p/b/u/devices, too | 05:19 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 25653 in gnome-pilot "Synchronization with Palm Zire31 not working." [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/25653 | 05:19 |
| bddebian | Heya tseng, long time no "see" | 05:19 |
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| tseng | bddebian: yeah really | 05:19 |
| sladen | ogra: it now fades out (1second) and then immediately jumps back to the desktop and 0.1 seconds later the g-p-m adjusts the backlight brightness | 05:19 |
| ogra | sladen, but you dont have constant screensaving approaches after you unlocked it ? | 05:20 |
| ogra | i.e. it cares for user action ? | 05:20 |
| === sladen now gets the 10second fade just as you typed that | ||
| sladen | ogra: bollocks does it | 05:21 |
| ogra | hmm | 05:21 |
| ogra | Mithrandir ?? ^^ | 05:21 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: no, I haven't seen it today. | 05:22 |
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| ogra | good ... so one special case less :) | 05:22 |
| sladen | Ooooh, 10second-fade. Flash to full desktop. 1second-fade, flash to full desktop, g-p-m backlight adjustment ...it keeps getting better | 05:22 |
| Treenaks | sladen: the crack is kicking in? | 05:23 |
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| === ogra doesnt even see the flash here ... | ||
| ogra | i'v seen it on other systems though | 05:24 |
| ogra | i wonder whats so spethial about me that i dont encounter *any* of the bugs i get reported | 05:24 |
| sladen | ogra: if it's any consolation, it is happening /less/ today. eg. I didn't get anything until 5minutes ago | 05:24 |
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| sladen | I like the flash is the gamma is being ramped down to zero, the action being cancelled (by $something) and then being reverted to normal gamma, followed the power-manger lowing the brightness | 05:26 |
| sladen | s/I like/I think/ | 05:26 |
| ogra | yeah, the power manager should just grab the value the user has set and store that | 05:27 |
| ogra | i see the dimming in the lock screen though ... | 05:28 |
| ogra | finally one bug i can reproduce | 05:28 |
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| ploum | seb128: is this chan a good place to talk ? ;-) | 05:44 |
| seb128 | ploum: no | 05:45 |
| seb128 | ploum: try #ubuntu-desktop rather :) | 05:45 |
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| highvoltage | Znarl: i can't ping to outside from humboldt, i created a ticket for this in RT, is that OK? | 05:53 |
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| Znarl | highvoltage : humboldt does not respond to ICMP, firewall restriction. Is that a problem for you? | 05:55 |
| highvoltage | Znarl: nope. the problem is that i can't wget http://drupal.com/file from humboldt | 05:56 |
| pitti | Kamion: can you please ack dhcp3 for breezy-updates? (bug 26645, ack'ed by mdz) | 05:56 |
| highvoltage | Znarl: so i tried to ping drupal.org and ubuntu.com FROM humboldt, and it didn't work | 05:56 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 26645 in dhcp3 dhcp3-client "dhclient prevents itself from accessing its own leases file" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/26645 | 05:56 |
| highvoltage | Znarl: it worked before, so i assumed something wasn't right? | 05:57 |
| Znarl | highvoltage : /msg-ing you. | 05:57 |
| highvoltage | Znarl: ok | 05:57 |
| Kamion | I wish mdz would learn how to work soyuz instead ;-) | 05:57 |
| Kamion | I'll look at it now | 05:57 |
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| Kamion | pitti: done | 06:01 |
| pitti | thank you | 06:01 |
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| desrt | it's funny. i look at my /ignore list in irssi | 06:05 |
| sivang | rehi all | 06:05 |
| desrt | it contains 4 items. all of them are lilo as freenode has changed its hostmask format policy of the week | 06:06 |
| CarlFK | yesterday's dapper install - the middle button on my ps2 mouse isn't working, middle on a usb mouse does. - ps2 middle click on a link in FF doesn't do anything, usb opens link in new tab. ps2 mouse on an older box works fine. this isn't quite enough for a bug report - what should I look at? | 06:07 |
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| Kamion | mvo: there are still some wrong font paths in thaifonts-scalable | 06:08 |
| Kamion | look through the .diff.gz for X11R6 ... | 06:09 |
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| Kamion | mvo: also repacking an .orig.tar.gz just to remove CVS directories is generally considered bad | 06:10 |
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| Kamion | the CVS directories are harmless so it's just unnecessary deviation | 06:10 |
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| mvo | Kamion: ok, thanks | 06:20 |
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| mvo | Kamion: I will remember next time. or should I redo it ? | 06:20 |
| Kamion | mvo: nah, already accepted | 06:21 |
| Kamion | (the rest was OK) | 06:21 |
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| doko | pitti: is pkg_striptranslations inactive? | 06:25 |
| pitti | doko: no, it works fine, why? | 06:26 |
| doko | pitti: nevermind, I did look in the wrong package :-/ | 06:27 |
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| Kamion | tseng: done | 06:29 |
| doko | pitti: are you sure, that you save the GSI*.sdf files as well? | 06:31 |
| pitti | ah, heh | 06:31 |
| pitti | if [ "$srcname" = "openoffice.org2" ] ; then | 06:31 |
| pitti | # grab sdf files from OO.o2 | 06:31 |
| pitti | find debian/ -name "*.sdf" -exec install -D -m 644 '{}' "$tmp/source/{}" \; | 06:31 |
| pitti | fi | 06:31 |
| pitti | doko: spot the bug :) | 06:31 |
| doko | pitti! | 06:31 |
| === pitti fixes | ||
| fabbione | pitti: hey dude... | 06:32 |
| pitti | doko: just 'openoffice.org' source package is right, I assume? | 06:32 |
| === pitti hugs fabbione | ||
| doko | pitti: yes | 06:32 |
| fabbione | pitti: :) | 06:32 |
| fabbione | pitti: i need your hal fu .... | 06:33 |
| bddebian | Damnit, boot: server acpi=off and it still hangs :-( | 06:33 |
| fabbione | pitti: the daemon dies with exit 1 on sparc as soon as it forks | 06:33 |
| fabbione | pitti: and i can't understand why... | 06:33 |
| fabbione | pitti: how can i enable DEBUG of death? | 06:33 |
| pitti | doko: fix uploaded | 06:33 |
| doko | pitti: so I should ask infinity when it's installed on the buildd's | 06:34 |
| pitti | fabbione: sudo hald --verbose=yes --daemon=no 2>&1 | tee hal.txt | 06:34 |
| pitti | doko: that happens as soon as it's in the archive; AFAIUI the buildds now auto-update themselves | 06:34 |
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| fabbione | pitti: roger that! | 06:34 |
| desrt | pitti; this ejectable patch you applied to drivemount doesn't make sense | 06:34 |
| pitti | desrt: hm, I don't remember that | 06:35 |
| desrt | * Add debian/patches/15_gnomevfs_query_eject.patch: | 06:35 |
| desrt | -- Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com> Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:22:54 +0100 | 06:35 |
| pitti | ah, this one | 06:35 |
| pitti | desrt: why not? | 06:35 |
| desrt | ejectable in this sense means 'the device needs to be (USB) ejected on unmount' | 06:35 |
| fabbione | pitti: ok.. what i am looking for? or do you want that file? | 06:35 |
| desrt | or, it can mean this. | 06:35 |
| pitti | desrt: right, that's what it's supposed to do | 06:36 |
| pitti | fabbione: where does it crash? | 06:36 |
| desrt | if 'eject' appears in the UI i think that word should solely be reserved for optical drives and the like | 06:36 |
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| desrt | pitti; drivemount applet is offering to eject my mp3 player, for example... quite odd | 06:36 |
| pitti | sivang: get a coffee, dude :) | 06:36 |
| pitti | desrt: but we want that, since e. g. iPods need to be ejected | 06:36 |
| sivang | pitti: yeah, last time I got an instant soup :) | 06:36 |
| fabbione | pitti: it appears to crash scanning block devices.. | 06:37 |
| desrt | pitti; they should just be auto-ejected on unmount... | 06:37 |
| pitti | fabbione: a gdb trace would rock as well, then please send me hal.txt and the backtrace | 06:37 |
| sivang | pitti: I even once forgot I was pushing in the backgorund, and continued hacking, then tried to commit while push in progress. boom! | 06:37 |
| seb128 | desrt: upstream does the distinction but in a ugly way instead of using the hal property,no? | 06:37 |
| desrt | seb128; ya. we say "is it a cd/dvd/zip/jaz/etc" | 06:38 |
| seb128 | so what's wrong to rely on the hal property rather than using special case? | 06:38 |
| desrt | pitti; maybe the word "disconnected" would be a better choice if we could somehow do it | 06:38 |
| Kamion | fabbione: can you get keepalived built against openssl 0.9.8? | 06:38 |
| desrt | seb128; the meaning of 'eject' in the HAL property isn't the same as the meaning of eject in drivemount applet | 06:38 |
| pitti | desrt: right, that would just break translations, that's why I didn't want to change the string; especially not deviate from upstream | 06:39 |
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| doko | mvo: ping | 06:39 |
| fabbione | pitti: people:~fabbione/hal.txt but i can't gdb it.. long story.. | 06:39 |
| desrt | seb128; often the ejectable property in HAL means "please run 'eject -s' (disconnect scsi device) when you're done with me" | 06:39 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i think so.. i will try | 06:39 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: how urgent is it? | 06:40 |
| sivang | fabbione: enevtually I used the vesa driver, as this is a VMWare sever machine (the amd64 at work). I might check to see what went wrong there sometime if you would provide the debugging starting point, if that X600 bug source is not yet know. | 06:40 |
| mvo | doko: pong | 06:40 |
| seb128 | desrt: we should always use "remove" or somethin neutral so, users don't care about unmount or eject | 06:40 |
| Kamion | fabbione: it's uninstallable on ubuntu-server CDs, that's all | 06:40 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok thanks | 06:41 |
| fabbione | Kamion: will look at it | 06:41 |
| pitti | fabbione: hm, the output doesn't help too much; I'm afraid I do need a bt | 06:41 |
| desrt | seb128; i like 'disconnect' for pluggable stuff... and 'eject' is fine for things that actually eject (like cds) | 06:41 |
| fabbione | pitti: we can't bt there ... | 06:41 |
| pitti | fabbione: oh? | 06:41 |
| desrt | seb128; note: it might make sense to be able to either disconnect a firewire cd drive -or- eject the cd inside it | 06:41 |
| fabbione | pitti: gdb isn't very very happy on sparc.. not with all software at least | 06:41 |
| desrt | seb128; so they really are different ideas | 06:41 |
| fabbione | pitti: and hal is one of the bad boys | 06:41 |
| seb128 | desrt: right | 06:42 |
| pitti | fabbione: gdb gdb hald :) | 06:42 |
| fabbione | pitti: i think the error appears only when daemonizing | 06:42 |
| pitti | fabbione: ah, you mean it actually ran when you started it manually? | 06:42 |
| fabbione | 18:42:33.815 [E] hald_dbus.c:3258: dbus_bus_get(): Failed to get foreground console | 06:42 |
| fabbione | Sent kill to 5653 | 06:42 |
| fabbione | Sent kill to 5652 | 06:42 |
| desrt | seb128; also might make sense to unmount without ejecting.... but this is a questionable use case | 06:42 |
| pitti | fabbione: ah, so it didn't crash when you debugged it? | 06:43 |
| seb128 | desrt: we already had that bug and it got rejected upstream | 06:43 |
| desrt | seb128; what bug? | 06:43 |
| seb128 | desrt: arguing that unmounting is not useful since apps using the drive should be able to do that without asking you | 06:43 |
| seb128 | desrt: "please provide an unmount action next to eject" | 06:43 |
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| desrt | seb128; ah yes. or the kernel fixed to not mess them up because it's mounted | 06:43 |
| fabbione | pitti: it's weird... | 06:43 |
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| fabbione | pitti: it did exit.. | 06:44 |
| desrt | seb128; i do believe that 'unmount' is not a useful user-visible action | 06:44 |
| pitti | desrt: *agree* | 06:44 |
| fabbione | pitti: ok thanks.. i am going to play with it a bit more.. if i won't success you will have root access :) | 06:45 |
| desrt | i guess this is something to work on for edgy | 06:45 |
| desrt | once gnome translation opens up again | 06:45 |
| pitti | fabbione: heh ;) well, maybe I can find sth out with strace, or add some more debug statements | 06:45 |
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| pitti | desrt: right, the UI should just have 'Remove' | 06:46 |
| desrt | pitti; no. see example above for why this is bad. | 06:46 |
| desrt | pitti; eject and disconnect really ought to be separate | 06:46 |
| pitti | desrt: ah, right | 06:47 |
| desrt | pitti; ejecting and disconnecting my external cdrom drive are entirely different things | 06:47 |
| pitti | true | 06:47 |
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| fabbione | pitti: ok :) | 06:47 |
| pitti | desrt: but you don't usually tell the UI that you disconnect the drive, do you? you just unplug it | 06:48 |
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| ogra | then you could just unplug ... | 06:48 |
| pitti | ogra: that's something different | 06:48 |
| pitti | ogra: that won't ever work | 06:48 |
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| sivang | pitti: btw, seeing this discussion, how would I got about mounting and unmounting media/devices from a program that doesn't want to depedend on gnome-vfs ? exec the pmount command with the required args as a subprocess ? | 06:48 |
| desrt | pitti; the idea is that many scsi devices require to be disconnected before being unplugged | 06:48 |
| desrt | pitti; this is why we must 'eject' ipods in the first place (even though we've already unmounted them) | 06:48 |
| pitti | ogra: there might be apps still accessing the drive, etc; the user needs to tell the OS that it wants to remove a drive | 06:48 |
| ogra | pitti, i meant a *really* low level ... | 06:49 |
| desrt | anyway. gotta run to school. | 06:50 |
| desrt | peace | 06:50 |
| ogra | pitti, windows solves the "apps accessing the device" apparently somehow | 06:51 |
| === highvoltage stares at desrt and wonders about this 'edgy' thing | ||
| pitti | highvoltage: dapper+1 apparently | 06:51 |
| highvoltage | pitti: i know he said that we can quote him on that, and other people said yes, i can, but that doesn't mean it's true :) | 06:52 |
| pitti | right :) | 06:52 |
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| jdub | highvoltage: i think we've satisfactorily seeded his brain on it by now :-) | 06:54 |
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| highvoltage | jdub: <g> | 06:55 |
| ogra | jdub, be careful, if we dont call it edgy he might be confuzed and do no work at all for it ... | 06:55 |
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| pitti | jdub: I assume the similarity to Etch is nothing but a pure coincidence? :) | 06:57 |
| jdub | pitti: yeah | 06:57 |
| jdub | pitti: though doubly funny if you ask japanese speakers about 'etch' and 'edgy' | 06:57 |
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| mdz | Kamion: you mean that he will not be able to attend the TB meeting tonight? | 07:05 |
| mdz | (if not, there won't be one) | 07:05 |
| Kamion | he said he would attend the TB meeting | 07:06 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: are you going to be around for this town hall meeting? | 07:06 |
| dholbach | pitti: sayonara? arigato? :-) | 07:06 |
| pitti | dholbach: I don't know the second one | 07:07 |
| dholbach | "thanks" | 07:07 |
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| doko | mdz: is there a chance that somebody at the sprint can check scim input methods with OOo? | 07:08 |
| mdz | doko: yes, please talk to abelcheung about it | 07:09 |
| doko | mdz: on amd64 as well? | 07:09 |
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| doko | mdz: is there an extra channel for the sprint? | 07:10 |
| mdz | doko: the server here is an amd64 but it is running 32-bit for vmware I think | 07:10 |
| mdz | doko: no, not that I know of. this channel is fine | 07:10 |
| elmo | there's still an amd64 install on that box, you'd just have to boot off the first SATA, rather than the second, FWIW | 07:13 |
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| highvoltage | 322 nicks! is that a record for ubuntu-meeting? | 07:22 |
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| bddebian | Where's the best place to ask about a Flight-5 server install problem besides #ubuntu+1? Is ubuntu-devel the appropriate place? | 07:46 |
| pitti | malone would be :) | 07:46 |
| slomo | infinity, lamont: please give-back gnome-user-share on ppc | 07:46 |
| pitti | unless you need to discuss various approaches and so on, which is on topic here | 07:46 |
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| bddebian | pitti: Well I could use an approach. I have tried acpi=off pci=noacpi DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 BOOT_DEBUG=2 and all I get is a hang :-( | 07:49 |
| pitti | bddebian: baad - anyone in #ubuntu-kernel who could help maybe? | 07:50 |
| Mithrandir | bddebian: noapic? | 07:50 |
| bddebian | Mithrandir: Haven't tried that, I will | 07:51 |
| netzmeister | bddebian: what's your problem? buggy interrupt controller? | 07:52 |
| bddebian | netzmeister: I don't know because it just hangs with no output. BUt this machine has been a Windows 2003 server for ages with no problems so I don't think it's hardware | 07:52 |
| siretart | is there already a name for dapper+1? | 07:53 |
| netzmeister | siretart: dapper+1 ! :-D | 07:53 |
| bddebian | netzmeister: It hangs right after freeing initrd | 07:53 |
| netzmeister | bddebian: post the last lines before it hangs.. | 07:54 |
| netzmeister | ah k | 07:54 |
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| siretart | Edgy Elephant? | 07:54 |
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| netzmeister | siretart: yes | 07:55 |
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| bddebian | Mithrandir: noapic didn't help :-( | 07:59 |
| bddebian | pitti: Should I ask in #ubuntu-kernel? | 08:00 |
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| pitti | bddebian: yes, worth a try | 08:02 |
| bddebian | pitti: OK, thx | 08:02 |
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| netzmeister | bddebian: i think with no information nobody can help you.. | 08:05 |
| bddebian | netzmeister: No information? What else can I give you? | 08:07 |
| netzmeister | hmm let's see.. | 08:08 |
| bddebian | And I didn't mean that to be sarcastic if it came off that way | 08:09 |
| bddebian | It's a Compaq Proliant ML350 1Ghz with 512Mb RAM and a Compaq Array controller. | 08:11 |
| netzmeister | k | 08:11 |
| netzmeister | have you tried another kernel? | 08:11 |
| netzmeister | (recovery) | 08:11 |
| bddebian | Hmm, no | 08:11 |
| bddebian | I'd try breezy but I don't have HOURS to pull another iso today :-) | 08:11 |
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| netzmeister | try the recovery kernel.. | 08:12 |
| bddebian | OK, will do thx | 08:12 |
| netzmeister | np.. | 08:12 |
| netzmeister | I'll wait.. ;-) | 08:12 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: no :) I'd popped out to the shops before the TB meeting :) | 08:13 |
| Kamion | ok | 08:13 |
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| carlos | pitti, seb128: So I just got my branch merged | 08:16 |
| bddebian | netzmeister: Same hang :-( | 08:16 |
| carlos | that means that tomorrow, jordi and I will be able to start approving translation imports | 08:16 |
| ogra | Keybuk, so you missed the decision that you have to fix up dapper in the 6 weeks delay while we others go on holiday :P | 08:17 |
| sivang | hehe | 08:17 |
| sivang | ogra: bare with him :) | 08:17 |
| netzmeister | hm thats interessting.. | 08:17 |
| Keybuk | ogra: *shrug* I booked my holiday first <g> | 08:17 |
| ogra | :P | 08:17 |
| Keybuk | wouldn't mind that too much tbh, I've had not much to do this past week | 08:17 |
| netzmeister | you have a clean install of breezy? | 08:17 |
| Keybuk | udev is annoyingly working | 08:17 |
| Keybuk | and n-m doesn't work, but is impossible to fix in the time allowed | 08:18 |
| ogra | Keybuk, even with +6 weeks ? | 08:18 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: on udev, I'd really like some investigation of that devfs helper bug | 08:18 |
| bddebian | netzmeister: No, I have all Dapper machines but I guess it's time to download breezy :-) | 08:18 |
| Kamion | we've had like ten reports of it | 08:18 |
| netzmeister | ah okay.. | 08:18 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: I've been doing that today, and I can't figure it | 08:18 |
| Kamion | can you reproduce it? | 08:19 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I *reported* it :) | 08:19 |
| Kamion | oh :) | 08:19 |
| netzmeister | bddebian: no why download breezy. Dapper comes in a few weeks.. | 08:19 |
| Keybuk | do you run udevplug many times? | 08:19 |
| Amaranth | Keybuk: n-m almosts works for me, i blame the bcm43xx driver | 08:19 |
| Kamion | yeah, once per hw-detect | 08:19 |
| bddebian | netzmeister: Not if I can't boot it :-) | 08:19 |
| Keybuk | I *think* you get one new floppy device per hw-detect run | 08:19 |
| Keybuk | which would make sense | 08:19 |
| Kamion | that matches what I seemed to be seeing | 08:19 |
| Kamion | there'd be a udevplug run or two in partman as well, I think | 08:20 |
| Kamion | basically I was calling it fairly liberally when I needed new devices to be available, since you told me I could :) | 08:20 |
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| Keybuk | yeah, and I think what happens is that because each run causes a new "floppy ADD" event, that script gets run | 08:20 |
| Keybuk | so each new run gets a newly enumerated floppy device symlink | 08:20 |
| netzmeister | bddebian: and there is really no output.. i can't believe it.. Kernel and no output.. :-) | 08:21 |
| Kamion | can it just store some state somewhere about which devices it's already seen? | 08:21 |
| Kamion | or even grep the existing symlinks | 08:21 |
| Keybuk | there's the udevdb state | 08:21 |
| Keybuk | there's udevd code to stop that happening though | 08:21 |
| Keybuk | that's what seems to be not working :) | 08:21 |
| bddebian | netzmeister: Well I mean I get no output on the hang, even with debug on. I get all the normal bootup output right to the point of "Freeing initrd RAM..." | 08:21 |
| Keybuk | a "do we already have a symlink" check at the top of the script is a sufficient fix for us | 08:22 |
| Keybuk | you know what? I'm an idiot | 08:23 |
| netzmeister | bddebian: and before the line is nothing unusual? | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | I just looked at the code again, and it's now glarying obvious why it doesn't work | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: excellent reminder timing, clearly my brain is now in the right gear :p | 08:23 |
| bddebian | netzmeister: No, not that I can see. I do get: "ACPI: Finding DSDT Failed" or some such if I don't turn off acpi, but other than that, it looks pretty normal. | 08:24 |
| Kamion | heh | 08:25 |
| netzmeister | bddebian: tell us your system configuration.. | 08:27 |
| netzmeister | bddebian: do you have a knoppix cd? | 08:27 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: it doesn't work because I use SYMLINK+= in the udev rule ... which means "add it to the list of existing symlinks" | 08:27 |
| bddebian | Hmm, not here, I don't think. Let me go look, bbiam | 08:27 |
| Keybuk | the "keep only one symlink" code only affects SYMLINK= :) | 08:28 |
| Kamion | aha! | 08:28 |
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| raphink | anyone knows what /usr/bin/lsprop is for on ppc ? | 08:30 |
| raphink | there's no man, no --help|-h switches | 08:30 |
| raphink | and no comment in the code | 08:30 |
| raphink | and it's an old app from 1998 | 08:30 |
| raphink | :s | 08:31 |
| crimsun | http://penguinppc.org/dev/ | 08:31 |
| Keybuk | what does it do if you run it? :) | 08:31 |
| raphink | $ lsprop dirs | 08:32 |
| raphink | dirs 7362696e 0a757372 2f62696e 0a657463 2f696e69 742e640a | 08:32 |
| raphink | things like this | 08:32 |
| raphink | or longer | 08:32 |
| Kamion | it's for parsing stuff in /proc/device-tree/ | 08:32 |
| Keybuk | sounds like the OF device tree | 08:32 |
| Kamion | really useful actually, I didn't know about that and had been looking at the files with vim ;-) | 08:32 |
| raphink | is this useful? | 08:32 |
| netzmeister | raphink: checksum of the directorys? | 08:32 |
| Kamion | cjwatson@cairhien:/proc/device-tree$ lsprop compatible | 08:32 |
| Kamion | compatible "PowerBook5,2" | 08:32 |
| Kamion | "MacRISC3" | 08:32 |
| raphink | netzmeister: not checksums no | 08:32 |
| Kamion | hell yes | 08:32 |
| Kamion | "Power Macintosh" | 08:32 |
| raphink | Kamion: I was about to write manpages for this soft | 08:33 |
| Kamion | it's a bit like udevinfo | 08:33 |
| raphink | but there's not even a -h|--help | 08:33 |
| Kamion | if you don't understand it, documenting it is probably not a good plan :) | 08:33 |
| raphink | all I know is that when run without an argument it runs itself on all files in the current dir | 08:34 |
| Kamion | I agree it's poorly (i.e. not) documented | 08:34 |
| raphink | Kamion: yes I guess | 08:34 |
| raphink | Kamion: if it's useful, I believe it should be documented | 08:34 |
| Kamion | cd into /proc/device-tree/ somewhere and that behaviour is a lot more useful | 08:34 |
| Kamion | I'm not arguing, but it's a developer debugging tool so it's not too urgent | 08:34 |
| raphink | ic | 08:34 |
| raphink | I am to remove backlight from the powerpc-utils package though | 08:35 |
| raphink | there's no man either, and the -h says it's obsolete | 08:35 |
| raphink | and should not be used anymore | 08:35 |
| raphink | so I guess if a program claims to be obsolete it's not worth keeping | 08:35 |
| bddebian | netzmeister: Apparently all my Breezy/knoppix/etc CD's are at home so I'll have to try tomorrow, thanks for your time! | 08:36 |
| slomo | infinity, lamont: please give-back gnome-user-share on ppc and liferea on amd64/ppc, thanks :) | 08:36 |
| netzmeister | bddebian: no problem. cu tomorrow.. | 08:37 |
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| Kamion | raphink: I'm not sure this is an ideal time to go on a rampage of removing obsolete stuff, personally | 08:39 |
| raphink | Kamion: well I went into this since I saw there was no manpages for this | 08:40 |
| Kamion | but I guess it's up to you | 08:40 |
| raphink | searching for the options to write a manpages | 08:40 |
| raphink | I saw this was obsolete | 08:40 |
| raphink | so i'm adding manpages for fnset | 08:40 |
| raphink | and at the same time removing backligth from the same package | 08:41 |
| Kamion | yes, I'm just saying that feature freeze is a poor time to remove stuff | 08:41 |
| raphink | hmm ok | 08:41 |
| Kamion | because we have a suboptimal amount of time to put it back if it turns out that somebody needed it after all | 08:41 |
| raphink | even things that are obviously obsolete and whose -h switch reports to another app? | 08:41 |
| raphink | ************* WARNING ************ | 08:42 |
| raphink | ** backlight is obsolete, please use fblevel ** | 08:42 |
| raphink | ************************************************** | 08:42 |
| raphink | taht's what you get running backlight -h | 08:42 |
| raphink | but I get your point, doesn't hurt to keep it so far ;) | 08:42 |
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| natroll | hmm, someone messin with the dapper repos? | 08:48 |
| natroll | i can't download http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/universe/source/Sources.gz | 08:49 |
| Nafallo | natroll: maybe the mirror is syncing right now? :-) | 08:50 |
| natroll | i dunno, was just mentioning it in case there is an issue | 08:50 |
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| sivang | pitti: I have finally put the package on http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/upbackup/ , (re what we talked last night) let me know if you prefer I'd emailed you or for any other comments regarding the package. | 08:57 |
| bddebian | Wow a breezy download is MUCH faster than cdimage. Maybe I can test breezy here at work today.. | 08:58 |
| sivang | pitti: also, I remind, this is for universe NOT main :) | 08:59 |
| netzmeister | bddebian: that sounds fine.. | 08:59 |
| sivang | pitti: crap, hold on, one mistake there , I'm fixing now. | 09:01 |
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| Surak | hello, where was happening the discussion about dapper's delay? | 09:05 |
| bddebian | Surak: #ubuntu-meeting afaik | 09:07 |
| dholbach | Surak: yes and it's TB meeting now | 09:07 |
| enyc | TB ?? | 09:07 |
| Surak | enyc: technical board? | 09:08 |
| enyc | hrrm kk | 09:08 |
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| bddebian | Is there a wiki for setting up a repository? (Not LocalAptGet) | 09:23 |
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| zyga | hello | 09:29 |
| tseng | bddebian: man apt-ftparchive | 09:30 |
| tseng | bddebian: apt-ftparchive packages . | 09:31 |
| tseng | bddebian: gzip -9 Packages | 09:31 |
| tseng | apt-ftparchive sources . | 09:31 |
| tseng | gzip -9 Sources | 09:31 |
| bddebian | tseng: Thx :-) | 09:32 |
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| jbailey | bddebian: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/genarchive.sh if you ever need it again. =) | 09:37 |
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| bddebian | jbailey: Thanks man | 09:37 |
| tseng | jbailey: fancy | 09:38 |
| bddebian | jbailey: Got a sec for a quick C++ question? | 09:39 |
| jbailey | bddebian: Depends how hard the question is. | 09:39 |
| bddebian | jbailey: I'm trying to kill PATH_MAX but I'm using C syntax in a C++ app: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/qt-x11-free/qt-x11-free-3.3.5.diff | 09:40 |
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| jbailey | bddebian: Can you tell me what problem you're having? | 09:49 |
| jbailey | bddebian: It'll be easier than disecting it bit by bit. | 09:49 |
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| bddebian | jbailey: Trying to eliminate the use of PATH_MAX. http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/qt-x11-free/qt-x11-free-3.3.5.diff | 09:50 |
| jbailey | Yes. That tells me what problem you're trying to solve. You have a patch. I assume that you're showing it to me because it doesn't work? | 09:50 |
| bddebian | Well it "works" but I don't think I am necessarily doing it properly. Especially for qfileinfo_unix.cpp | 09:51 |
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| mjg59 | Kamion: Do you have access to the morgue? | 10:31 |
| bddebian | Damn, netzmeister left? | 10:32 |
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| Kyral | time to give Flight 5 Espresso a whirl...as soon as the ISO is finished burning | 10:36 |
| bddebian | Well Breezy pukes just like Dapper for me on my server install :'-( | 10:36 |
| Kyral | heh | 10:37 |
| Kyral | Well, when I get back to school I'm gonna reinstall clean | 10:37 |
| Kyral | I have so much crap laying around from stuff like compiling XGL from scratch and whatnot | 10:37 |
| Kyral | tthank god for my seperate /home | 10:38 |
| wasabi | Why's it matter? | 10:38 |
| wasabi | *nix isn't going to get unstable on you because of it. ;0 | 10:38 |
| Kyral | Actually its because something royally borked up XFCE and GNOME | 10:39 |
| Kyral | and yes I filed a bug :P | 10:39 |
| Kyral | But its been about time lol | 10:42 |
| Kyral | I should really just checkinstall that crap *DUCKS!* | 10:43 |
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| sivang | pitti: still here? | 10:47 |
| pitti | sivang: yes | 10:47 |
| dholbach | good night guys | 10:47 |
| sivang | night dholbach :) | 10:47 |
| sivang | pitti: I'm ready, same location http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/upbackup/ :) (Had to write a MANIFEST.in file to cater for proper source distribution build) | 10:48 |
| pitti | added to my TODO list | 10:49 |
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| sivang | pitti: thank you :) | 10:50 |
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| pitti | SCNR, but it's fitting today: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2005-December/msg00583.html | 11:03 |
| Burgwork | pitti, SCNR? | 11:04 |
| pitti | Burgwork: Sorry, Could Not Resist | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | ah | 11:04 |
| bddebian | pitti: :-) | 11:05 |
| Riddell | maswan: ping | 11:05 |
| seb128 | somebody good with alternatives around? | 11:05 |
| seb128 | how to tell them to change the target? | 11:06 |
| bddebian | update-alternatives? | 11:07 |
| seb128 | like "update-alternatives --install /some/path alternative-name /stuff/to/register 45" | 11:07 |
| sivang | pitti: hehe | 11:07 |
| seb128 | I want to change "/some/path" | 11:07 |
| bddebian | seb128: You want to change the link, not the path? | 11:10 |
| sivang | bddebian: checking the manpage, I see generic name comes before the symlink | 11:10 |
| sivang | bddebian: so I guess Seb's trying to change the generic name? | 11:11 |
| bddebian | <link> <name> <path> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | right | 11:11 |
| sivang | I got confused: --install genname symlink altern priority , genname being refered to as the "master link" | 11:12 |
| seb128 | bddebian: issue is that: | 11:13 |
| seb128 | update-alternatives \ | 11:13 |
| seb128 | --install /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/index.theme \ | 11:13 |
| seb128 | x-cursor-theme /usr/share/themes/Human/cursor.theme 40 | 11:13 |
| seb128 | bddebian: and now it has moved away from /usr/X11R6 | 11:13 |
| bddebian | Ugh | 11:13 |
| seb128 | bddebian: so I want to relocate it no a new place | 11:13 |
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| sivang | seb128: --set looks to be doing the same as --config, but is scriptable | 11:13 |
| sivang | seb128: maybe it helps? | 11:13 |
| seb128 | sivang: --set is to pick an option | 11:14 |
| seb128 | I don't want to pick an option | 11:14 |
| lemsx1 | ssl-cert bug #34962 | 11:14 |
| sivang | ah right! sorry | 11:14 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 34962 in ssl-cert "chgrp/chmod failed to change non-existing keys (dapper)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34962 | 11:14 |
| bddebian | Probably have to do a remove and a --install? | 11:14 |
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| seb128 | bddebian: I need to remove-all so ... | 11:14 |
| seb128 | bddebian: and what if other packages were registered? | 11:14 |
| sivang | bddebian: good to see oyu're back, btw | 11:15 |
| bddebian | Heh. :-) | 11:15 |
| sivang | bddebian: less busy with your work now? | 11:16 |
| bddebian | A little | 11:16 |
| sivang | cool | 11:16 |
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| bddebian | seb128: What happens if you just do --install? Does it fail? | 11:20 |
| seb128 | bddebian: if I "update-alternatives --install /usr/share.... -cursor-theme /usr/share/theme/other_theme.... 45" | 11:21 |
| seb128 | bddebian: it doesn't create /usr/share... but still use /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/index.theme | 11:21 |
| bddebian | Whacky | 11:22 |
| bddebian | Just manually symlink them? :-) | 11:23 |
| seb128 | porky | 11:23 |
| seb128 | I'm considering using a new alternative for it :) | 11:23 |
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| bddebian | What if you just rm the /usr/share... Then --install? | 11:24 |
| seb128 | what do you mean? | 11:25 |
| seb128 | I want to create that /usr/share, there is nothing to rm | 11:25 |
| seb128 | maybe I should do a if [ -L /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/index.theme ] ; do update-alternatives --remove-all x-cursor-theme; done" | 11:26 |
| seb128 | and then doing my --install | 11:26 |
| bddebian | Seems reasonable | 11:27 |
| seb128 | let's do that so | 11:27 |
| seb128 | I hate alternatives anyway :) | 11:27 |
| seb128 | where is the best place to rm ? | 11:28 |
| seb128 | to "update-alternatives --remove-all x-cursor-theme" I mean | 11:28 |
| seb128 | the preinst or in the postinst before the --install? | 11:28 |
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| bddebian | That I don't know. | 11:34 |
| bddebian | I gotta head home, good luck :-) | 11:34 |
| seb128 | thank you | 11:35 |
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| sivang | night all | 11:44 |
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