[12:03] <sivang> heya Spec , 'sup?
[12:03] <sivang> LaserJock: I did debuild -sa , still did not produce the orig.
[12:04] <LaserJock> sivang: debuild -S -sa
[12:04] <sivang> err
[12:04] <sivang> the hour :)
[12:08] <sivang> LaserJock: hrm, debuild hates me. I added this and still no orig.
[12:09] <sivang> LaserJock: anything specificin the packages' strucutre I may be doing wrong to not get it?
[12:09] <sivang> LaserJock: (I did debuild -S -sa)
[12:09] <LaserJock> sivang: oh wait, doh. I see it
[12:10] <LaserJock> sivang: you created a debian native package.
[12:10] <LaserJock> sivang: that means everything is in the tar.gz file
[12:10] <sivang> LaserJock: is that bad? I think I want native debian package no?
[12:11] <LaserJock> sivang: well, it sorta depends.
[12:11] <sivang> LaserJock: please, explain if you can, I'm listening.
[12:11] <LaserJock> sivang: well, a debian native package has the debian/ directory in the source
[12:12] <LaserJock> sivang: so if you want to distribute your app to other distros it is a bit messier
[12:12] <LaserJock> sivang: any change in the packaging requires a new .tar.gz file
[12:12] <azeem> HomeUserBackup sounds like a good candidate for a native package, though
[12:13] <azeem> would it be useful on non-Ubuntu/Debian systems?
[12:13] <tseng> i dont see how anything is a candidate for a native package, tbh
[12:13] <LaserJock> azeem: I agree. I just wanted to put out the pros and cons
[12:13] <tseng> it isnt really any easier to work with imo
[12:14] <LaserJock> sivang: if don't do a native debian package then the packaging part (debian/ etc.) is separate from the actual app source (which is in the .orig.tar.gz)
[12:15] <LaserJock> sivang: it makes things a bit cleaner IMO and as tseng says it can be easier to work with since you can update the .diff.tar.gz without messing with original app source
[12:16] <sivang> azeem: could be a gnome upstream package someday, I hope. I just need to add dar as a depdency to setup.py
[12:16] <sivang> LaserJock: yes, indeed.
[12:16] <sivang> LaserJock: I'm sold, how to convert it?
[12:17] <sivang> azeem: could be useful on any system which has the right version of python , glade and gtk and dar ofcourse.
[12:17] <azeem> then it might make sense to convert it, yes
[12:17] <sivang> debian-mentos FAQ also suggests it as a better approach
[12:22] <LaserJock> sivang: so do you have a tarball of the source without the debian/ directory, etc.
[12:23] <sivang> LaserJock: I can create one
[12:24] <LaserJock> sivang: ok, do that
[12:25] <LaserJock> sivang: but make sure to save the parts that you take out
[12:26] <sivang> ofcourse, everything I Have under bzr rcs :-)
[12:27] <tseng> yay bzr
[12:27] <LaserJock> sivang: ah, good
[12:27] <sivang> tseng: sweetness
[12:41] <sivang> LaserJock: okay, I have a source tar.g
[12:41] <sivang> tar.gz
[12:42] <LaserJock> sivang: ok, so what is it named?
[12:44] <sivang> LaserJock: upbackup-0.0.1.tar.gz
[12:45] <LaserJock> sivang: ok, so now copy that to upbs_0.0.1.orig.tar.gz
[12:46] <LaserJock> sivang: and then untar the .orig.tar.gz
[12:47] <sivang> LaserJock: where in?
[12:48] <LaserJock> sivang: where it is
[12:49] <sivang> LaserJock: done
[12:49] <LaserJock> sivang: ok, so what is the untarred directory called?
[12:50] <sivang> LaserJock: darn, like the original name upbackup-0.0.1
[12:50] <sivang> LaserJock: but I can change my pakcage to that name, it's not biggy
[12:50] <LaserJock> sivang: well, whatever
[12:50] <sivang> LaserJock: then I drop the debian dir inside and debuild -S -sa?
[12:50] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:51] <sivang> cool, I think I got it.
[12:51] <sivang> LaserJock: thanks.
[12:51] <LaserJock> sivang: np
[12:52] <LaserJock> hi marcin`
[01:03] <TerminX> someone needs to fix the proftpd packages to deal with /var/run/proftpd being missing after a reboot
[01:04] <marcin`> LaserJock: hi
[01:06] <LaserJock> TerminX: go for it :-)
[01:07] <redguy> hi
[01:07] <LaserJock> hi
[01:07] <redguy> I just wanted to ask if there are any efforts on bringing the last.fm player into ubuntu. Is this the right place to ask?
[01:08] <TerminX> what's the proper way to deal with that?  modify the init script to create it (because even if the daemon is started from inetd/xinetd, the init script still runs to say "proftpd is started from inetd")?
[01:09] <LaserJock> redguy: you might want to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates It looks like it might be on the list
[01:10] <redguy> LaserJock: indeed.
[01:11] <redguy> thanks!
[01:12] <LaserJock> np
[01:12] <redguy> there's one more question I would like to ask. How are menu entries managed in ubuntu? It seems that the "menu" debian package only manages the Debian tree of the menu. How are menu items supposed to be added in the gnome or kde menus?
[01:13] <LaserJock> redguy: the freedesktop.org standard .desktop files are used by gnome and kde
[01:14] <redguy> hmm, so "menu" is deprecated?
[01:14] <LaserJock> redguy: basically, yeah
[01:16] <sivang> redguy: if you drop a .desktop complaient file under /usr/share/applications it will appear in the menu accoording to the catagories you specified.
[01:25] <redguy> thanks guys
[01:36] <Spec> sivang: how goes home-user-backup? ;)
[01:37] <sivang> Spec: fine, will be uploading a package soon, so you could join me and help. and I do need help :)
[01:38] <Spec> what language are we dealing with?
[01:38] <sivang> Spec: python
[01:38] <Spec> oh thank god
[01:38] <sivang> Spec: http://mercury.linuxguru.net/~sivan/upbackup--main/
[01:38] <Spec> that's the only language i can program half-decently, but even then, i'm not that good of a programmer
[01:38] <sivang> Spec: branch it, as I don't update the working tree there
[01:38] <sivang> Spec: how much experience do you have?
[01:38] <Spec> probably not enough to be all that much of a useful asset
[01:38] <Spec> i've been to pycon a few times
[01:39] <Spec> Can't say I've ever used bzr though :p
[01:39] <sivang> Spec: well, any other good experience is okay. I didn't know python bottom-up , but being long time pro0grammer I just got addicted for the batteries included and how easy is to do certain stuff in python
[01:40] <sivang> Spec: the complex parts, are ofcourse possilbe, if however take a little longer.
[01:40] <sivang> Spec: bzr is so cool and easy.
[01:40] <sivang> Spec: http://bazaar-vcs.org/IntroductionToBzr
[01:40] <Spec> i've heard
[01:41] <Spec> but isn't merging branches a bitch?
[01:41] <sivang> Spec: depends :)
[01:41] <ajmitch> no, it's rather simple usually
[01:41] <sivang> it's very simple by UI, and it helps if you know around yoru code
[01:42] <sivang> (for resolving conflicts etc)
[01:42] <Spec> but if three people are working on three branches and do, let's say, 3 weeks of work each, then merge it all together...it's still easy?
[01:44] <ajmitch> Spec: you can never remove the need for developers to communicate
[01:45] <Spec> ah, okay :p
[01:45] <sivang> Spec: if they don't break one another's work yes, and if they make sure to pull from each other before cotninue work
[01:45] <Spec> so, bzr branch <url>
[01:45] <ajmitch> no system can solve stupidity :)
[01:45] <sivang> ajmitch: indeed :)
[01:45] <Spec> that seems pretty complex :p
[01:45] <LaserJock> ajmitch: darn :(
[01:45] <sivang> Spec: think in O(n^n) ;-)
[01:46] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I wish bzr would write code for me too..
[01:46] <Spec> yeah, ...why does't it?
[01:50] <Spec> err, i'm getting an error sivang
[01:50] <Spec> bzr: ERROR: Error retrieving http://mercury.linuxguru.net/~sivan/upbackup--main/.bzr/revision-store/49/sivan%40ubuntu-20060111153425-0658effc5cefdb6e: <urlopen error (-2, 'Name or service not known')>
[01:51] <Spec> although it connects at first, and seems to download some stuff
[01:53] <sivang> Spec: ah, soprry, I'm currently updating the branch
[01:53] <sivang> Spec: better retry later
[01:53] <sivang> Spec: and I'm using the sftp plugin which allows locking
[01:53] <sivang> weird that it gives that sort of message
[01:55] <Spec> ah, ok
[01:56] <sivang> almost there
[01:56] <sivang> loading revisions 168/248 0:01:43
[01:59] <sivang> Spec: done, retry
[02:01] <Spec> so what's the state of this?
[02:01] <Spec> err, nevermind, i still get an error
[02:13] <sivang> Spec: talk to you tomorrow, sorry, gotta hit bed.
[02:13] <Spec> yeah, i haven't slept in two days
[02:14] <sivang> Spec: oh god, that's not good.
[02:14] <sivang> Spec: night!
[02:14] <Spec> spring break ended
[02:14] <Spec> work had to be done :-/
[02:37] <minghua> hello MOTUs
[02:39] <bddebian> Hello minghua
[02:39] <minghua> hi bddebian!  see you around quite often recently, coming back for ubuntu work? :-)
[02:40] <Kyral> bddebian, I heard you are one of those GNU/Hurd freaks :P
[02:40] <bddebian> I should be :-)  Probably not much until Dapper + 1though :-(
[02:40] <bddebian> Kyral: Aye :-)
[02:40] <Kyral> bddebian, I've been wanting to try it on this laptop
[02:41] <bddebian> Kyral: Not a good idea if you want network support :-)
[02:41] <Kyral> but I heard laptop support for it is where Linux was 10 years ago :P
[02:41] <Kyral> I'm about to try GNU/Solaris (Nexenta)
[02:42] <bddebian> Cool, I was looking at that
[02:42] <Kyral> I'll let you know how it goes
[02:42] <Kyral> I mean I think my wireless card is gonna be a PAIN
[02:42] <Kyral> it uses the ACX drivers
[03:09] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[03:09] <crimsun> heya bddebian
[03:11] <bddebian> crimsun: How well do you know qt-x11-free?
[03:12] <crimsun> bddebian: about this well: > <
[03:12] <crimsun> (not well)
[03:12] <bddebian> :-(
[03:13] <crimsun> packaging or code issue?
[03:13] <bddebian> Both :-)
[03:19] <crimsun> ick, the worst of both worlds :)
[03:19] <bddebian> crimsun: Well the code issues I can get around.  The build thing, I can't figure out :-(
[03:25] <tritium> bddebian: it's good to see you again
[03:25] <bddebian> tritium: You too brudda
[03:26] <bddebian> How ya been?
[03:26] <tritium> Same old.  You?
[03:26] <bddebian> Pretty much.  Was busy as shit at work for a while :-(
[03:27] <tritium> I am too.
[03:27] <crimsun> yeah, everytime it seems there might be a breather, stuff hits the fan again
[03:27] <crimsun> 'lo tritium
[03:28] <tritium> hi crimsun :)
[03:38] <bmonty> if a package version is "4" and I want to do a rebuild for unmet deps is "4-build1" ok?
[03:39] <bddebian> 4build1 isn't it?
[03:39] <crimsun> 4build1
[03:39] <bmonty> ok
[03:39] <crimsun> of course :)
[03:39] <bmonty> no dash since there isn't a package version
[03:39] <bmonty> right?
[03:39] <bmonty> bddebian: you are the man :)
[03:39] <bddebian> heh
[03:50] <ajmitch> bmonty: no, BddebianIsGod
[03:50] <bddebian> Noooooooooooo
[04:09] <bmonty> hi minghua
[04:15] <minghua> hello bmonty
[04:20] <bmonty> brb
[04:53] <Lathiat> guys im getting hdd errors in dmesg that says 'ata5' 'ata7' etc
[04:54] <Lathiat> how do i find out what disk that actually refers too?
[04:57] <bddebian> Isn't that equivalent to hda5, hda7, etc?
[05:05] <crimsun> what do they align to in /sys/block/ ?
[05:11] <Toadstool> gn8 motus
[05:58] <Kyral> Night MOTUish people
[06:25] <nate_> maybe someone here can help, I'm trying to customize an ubuntu installation CD for creation of a college-specific computer forensics ubuntu distro and I was wondering if anyone knows of any good docs for ubuntu's implementation of d-i and specifically the setup of preseed files?
[06:31] <minghua> hi nate_, the only preseeding doc I know about is Debian's, and I have no idea if it applys to Ubuntu or not
[06:32] <nate_> minghua, i appreciate the reply.  I've been through their docs and found them lacking and was really looking for any of those well-hidden gems of docs some people have in their bookmarks :D
[06:33] <freeflying> nate_: there has doc on wiki for remarster install cd
[06:33] <nate_> freeflying, yes, but it doesn't explain the install process or the various preseed file directives
[06:33] <nate_> freeflying, except in very general/generic terms
[06:34] <freeflying> nate_: you can use oem preseed
[06:35] <Lathiat> Anyone know how to get the serial out of a hard drive? sata?
[06:35] <Lathiat> in /sys i can find the vendor and model adn everything but not the serial
[06:36] <nate_> freeflying, i've looked through it, but it's still not very helpful.  Thank you for trying though
[06:36] <minghua> nate_: I assume you know the link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed then
[06:37] <nate_> minghua, i can look that over, but i'm really looking for ubuntu's implementation
[06:37] <nate_> minghua, i don't know how much they differ
[06:37] <minghua> nate_: I don't either
[06:37] <minghua> nate_: sorry can't help much
[06:37] <nate_> minghua, alas! woe is me! :D
[06:38] <freeflying> nate_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[06:39] <nate_> freeflying, yeah, working with that already, but I want to understand the installation and the preseed files and whatnot, so my customization isn't haphazard, and so troubleshooting isn't a nightmare
[06:40] <nate_> someone on ubuntu-boot pointed me to a VERY useful doc (well, so far): http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/
[06:40] <nate_> just now
[08:52] <dholbach> morning
[08:52] <G0SUB> dholbach: good afternoon :)
[09:58] <zakame> hiu all
[09:58] <dolson> hi zakame
[09:58] <zakame> hello dolson
[09:58] <freeflying> hey zakame
[09:59] <zakame> hello freeflying , whazup?
[10:53] <ajmitch> evening
[10:56] <zakame> heya ajmitch
[10:59] <dolson> sounds to me like there isn't really a thought to not delaying
[10:59] <dolson> it's more of a "don't worry, the delay is Good" thing
[11:00] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:06] <ajmitch> either way we've got a *lot* of work to do on universe
[11:13] <zakame> yay
[11:13] <ajmitch> heh
[11:19] <Jobman> Hi, MOTUs. I want to help/contribute. Can anyone tell me how to start?
[11:21] <dholbach> hey Jobman - nice to hear! :)
[11:21] <dholbach> in the current phase of the release process we are mostly fixing bugs and getting things work
[11:22] <dholbach> http://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs for example is a list of bugs that are assigned to our team
[11:22] <dholbach> and there are quite a bunch of packages that are not installable at the moment - we're trying to sort them out as well
[11:22] <dholbach> apt-cache -i unmet   might give you an idea
[11:24] <ajmitch> dolson: I'm tempted to do the WPA thing myself, since it'd be nice to have :)
[11:25] <ajmitch> Jobman: help is always welcome :)
[11:25] <nate_> yeah, i'd like wpa to be working, i struggled with that for a long time
[11:25] <ajmitch> wpa works perfectly fine as-is
[11:25] <ajmitch> as long as you know how to set it up
[11:26] <ajmitch> the issue is mainly integrating with NetworkManager, and porting a lot of the NM 0.5 patches to 0.6
[11:26] <ajmitch> it's not a simple task :)
[11:27] <dolson> ajmitch: go for it
[11:27] <dolson> you got sabdfl's approval
[11:27] <ajmitch> hah
 dolson: ok, well spread the word that a contribution will make it happen
[11:27] <dolson> in case you missed it :D
[11:27] <ajmitch> yeah I was reading the meeting
[11:28] <dolson> heh
[11:32] <ajmitch> plus it's the sort of thing that has to pass mdz's approval for UVF exception, feature freeze exception, etc
[11:32] <ajmitch> not simple
[11:35] <nate-> dholbach, what was that link to the upgrader?
[11:35] <dholbach> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html
[11:35] <nate-> on my laptop now
[11:37] <ajmitch> now the meeting channel turns into a general free-for-all :)
[11:37] <siretart> ajmitch: you use wpa at home? May I use you as guinea pig? ;)
[11:38] <ajmitch> siretart: sure, what are you planning?
[11:38] <siretart> ajmitch: we improved integration of wpasupplicant in ifupdown a lot
[11:38] <siretart> this has to be tested
[11:39] <siretart> ajmitch: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/branches/wpasupplicant-0.5/?rev=0&sc=0
[11:39] <siretart> this is our svn of the wpasupplicant-0.5 branch.
[11:39] <nate-> i struggled with wpa and never got it configured properly
[11:39] <ajmitch> great, I'll fetch it
[11:39] <siretart> I'm testing this if this works somehow and plan to have it uploaded to experimental as soon as I get it working on my laptop
[11:39] <siretart> and if someone else could confirm it works, even better
[11:40] <siretart> ajmitch: thanks. you help us a lot!
[11:40] <ajmitch> checking out
[11:41] <dolson> argh
[11:41] <nate-> siretart, i can try it out for ya, i'm about to upgrade to dapper, is that neccessary?
[11:41] <dolson> I permanently broke CTRL+L in xchat-gnome apparently
[11:41] <siretart> nate-: I don't have any binary packages prepared your, you will have to check out the svn manually and build it yourself in dapper
[11:42] <siretart> nate-: the supplicant itself works for me on dapper, but I haven't tested the integration scripts yet
[11:42] <siretart> see the README.modes file
[11:43] <nate-> siretart, well, just hit me up if you need me to test any of that, just stating i have a guinea-pig system for ya
[11:44] <siretart> nate-: cool. that'll be great
[11:44] <ajmitch> siretart: I don't have a current sid setup on my laptop to test in debian
[11:45] <ajmitch> testing in dapper should be adequate for a start?
[11:45] <siretart> ajmitch: you'll have to rebuild it manually anyway
[11:45] <ajmitch> I'm building
[11:45] <siretart> I'm just uploading binaries
[11:45] <ajmitch> install: cannot create regular file `debian/wpasupplicant/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf': No such file or directory
[11:45] <ajmitch> *cough*
[11:46] <ajmitch> wpasupplicant.dirs?
[11:46] <siretart> http://siretart.tauware.de/wpasupplicant holds binaries built in a dapper chroot
[11:47] <siretart> ajmitch: err, huh?
[11:47] <ajmitch> siretart: debian/wpasupplicant/etc wasn't created, so install failed
[11:47] <siretart> intersting why it doesnt fail for me.. hmm
[11:48] <ajmitch> siretart: btw if you have time I have a UVF exception report written up for f-spot again
[11:48] <siretart> l
[11:48] <siretart> ajmitch: I'll do that tonight, I need to leave now
[11:48] <ajmitch> alright, thanks
[11:49] <siretart> hm. I don't think that file should be installed at all, btw
[11:49] <siretart> just comment that install out
[11:49] <siretart> cu tonight.
[11:49] <ajmitch> ok, see you later
[11:50] <nate-> later ajmitch
[11:50] <nate-> and siretart
[01:29] <kelmo_lap> hi siretart
[01:30] <kelmo_lap> the handling of "driver_file" in wpasup is kinda annoying me, is its aim to be user configurable? (not admin)
[01:30] <kelmo_lap> no, its location rules that out . . .
[02:32] <phanatic> hi people
[03:18] <bddebian> Hey gang
[03:30] <nate_> howdy
[04:28] <Kyral> Morning MOTUish peoples
[04:28] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[04:35] <dholbach> i just announced a HUG DAY on Friday
[04:35] <dholbach> hope you'll all going to be there
[04:36] <dholbach> so we get up to scratch with Universe again
[04:36] <Kyral> oh not that kinda hug lol
[04:36] <dholbach> ROCK
[04:36] <Kyral> Oh well, I'm not on my main box, but I can traige like crazy
[04:37] <G0SUB> dholbach: what's the timing for the Hugs?
[04:37] <dholbach> friday all day
[04:37] <ogra> G0SUB, 5 per minute if youre good
[04:37] <Kyral> yah I haven't been checking my mailing list email
[04:37] <G0SUB> fine
[04:37] <Kyral> channel?
[04:37] <nate_> what does HUG stand for?
[04:37] <ogra> #ubuntu-bugs
[04:37] <Kyral> ty ogra
[04:37] <G0SUB> ogra: I will manage 1 per 5 minute :)
[04:37] <ogra> hehe
[04:38] <Kyral> I'll go on a  triaging spree like you have never SEEN
[04:38] <ogra> nate_, its another word for embrace
[04:38] <nate_> ogra, wow....
[04:38] <Kyral> there will be no untriaged bugs in LP when I get done with it
[04:38] <ogra> haha
[04:39] <Kyral> hehehe Caffine :D
[04:39] <ogra> #   Unconfirmed  (6858)
[04:39] <ogra> # Unassigned (3959)
[04:40] <Kyral> yah I'll target those
[04:40] <ogra> Kyral, that would be quite impressive if you'd manage to get it down to zero in one day :)
[04:40] <Kyral> ogra, that should look good when I go for MOTU lol
[04:40] <Kyral> "Reduced the number of untriaged bugs to Zero in one day"
[04:40] <ogra> hehe, you'd be MOTU HC
[04:40] <Kyral> HC?
[04:41] <ogra> honoris causa :)
[04:41] <Kyral> ...translation?
[04:41] <Kyral> < [04:41] <ogra> (latin and means MOTU by honor)
[04:41] <Kyral> ah
[04:41] <Kyral> actually wait..
[04:42] <Kyral> I just woke up *looks at his stomach*
[04:42] <Kyral> yah thats what the sound was
[04:42] <ogra> get dressed man !!!
[04:42] <Kyral> No I'm dressed
[04:42] <ogra> heh
[04:44] <Kyral> ..good god cdimage is slow...
[04:46] <bddebian> Yes :-(
[04:46] <Kyral> Does Kernel.org mirror us yet?
[04:47] <Kyral> I know I get awesome speeds from Kernel.org
[04:48] <Kyral> Actually....whats that Debian program that determines the fastest mirror for you? Apt-Spy?
[04:55] <Kyral> hmm
[04:55] <Kyral> we could easily adapt apt-spy to work with Ubuntu
[05:12] <Jobman> I think I've fixed at least one unmet dep (enigmail-locales). So what sould I do next? Upload to REVU?
[05:13] <nate_> do you need to get permission from the developers of a package to maintain a package of it?
[05:14] <phanatic> nate_: no, but it's good to let them know, that you're working on it
[05:14] <phanatic> hey LaserJock
[05:15] <LaserJock> hi phanatic
[05:15] <LaserJock> Yeah for a HUG Day!
[05:16] <nate_> phanatic, and how do i go about applying to have a package added to the repos??  I'm really surprised it isn't actually
[05:16] <G0SUB> LaserJock: :)
[05:17] <LaserJock> G0SUB: I sent the list (with a few deletions) of science related apps to the lp admins so that the MOTU Science team will be added to the initial bug contact list
[05:17] <phanatic> nate_: do you mean getting permission from upstream? or ubuntu devs?
[05:17] <G0SUB> LaserJock: oh, that's great
[05:18] <nate_> phanatic, ubuntu devs i suppose, i'd like to see it in breezy
[05:18] <phanatic> nate_: there is no way to include a package in breezy
[05:18] <hub> slomo: what di you change to autopano-sift?
[05:18] <LaserJock> nate_: what is the package? It won't be in breezy and it probably can't make Dapper either
[05:18] <phanatic> its development cycle has closed
[05:18] <slomo> hub: it's using gtk#2 now
[05:19] <nate_> LaserJock, pyflag
[05:19] <hub> slomo: ah ok
[05:19] <slomo> hub: just some Makefile patching
[05:19] <hub> slomo: okay
[05:19] <tseng> bddebian: hows it going
[05:19] <bddebian> Busy man, you?
[05:19] <hub> slomo: I thought there was another bug
[05:19] <tseng> busy
[05:19] <tseng> but less than you, I guess
[05:20] <nate_> LaserJock, ubuntu has all the dependencies and there is a package that has already been made by the pyflag people that works just fine
[05:20] <LaserJock> nate_: nobody has put it on the Candidates list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates)
[05:20] <nate_> hrm
[05:21] <LaserJock> nate_: and I don't see anything on REVU
[05:21] <netzmeister> hello MOTU's
[05:21] <netzmeister> ;-)
[05:21] <phanatic> hi netzmeister
[05:21] <nate_> LaserJock, so....how can I go about getting it added?
[05:21] <LaserJock> nabend? netzmeister
[05:21] <LaserJock> nate_: add it to that wiki page
[05:21] <phanatic> nate_: can you package it? or you need someone to get it packaged?
[05:22] <netzmeister> hi phanatic, hi LaserJock
[05:22] <netzmeister> hi slomo :-)
[05:22] <nate_> phanatic, i can package it
[05:22] <slomo> hi netzmeister
[05:22] <crimsun> nate_: follow the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[05:23] <phanatic> exactly :)
[05:23] <LaserJock> crimsun: ah, yeah. good page
[05:27] <natroll> kk, got my own name now :)
[05:27] <phanatic> natroll: :)
[05:32] <natroll> so it's too late to add a package to breezy or have it added to dapper?
[05:32] <bddebian> hmm :-)
[05:32] <natroll> so i would have to wait until the next release?
[05:33] <crimsun> natroll: quite possibly [even with the probable 6-wk delay] 
[05:33] <crimsun> natroll: the packaging work can be done anytime
[05:34] <natroll> crimsun, that doesn't seem right...but what do i know.  i suppose it could conflict with something and make testing a nightmare
[05:34] <crimsun> natroll: well, you can't add anything to breezy period; it froze almost 5 months ago
[05:35] <natroll> wow, didn't even know that
[05:35] <crimsun> natroll: dapper is possible but fairly improbable
[05:36] <natroll> what would make it more probable?
[05:36] <LaserJock> natroll: Dapper hasn't been released yet
[05:36] <natroll> LaserJock, I know, but I'm wondering how to increase the chances of it being included
[05:37] <LaserJock> natroll: you would need to do an exception report as to why it is absolutely needed
[05:37] <LaserJock> natroll: and then it would have to be approved
[05:38] <natroll> LaserJock, hmmm
[05:39] <natroll> what do you guys think about including a 'computer forensics' side to ubuntu?
[05:39] <natroll> maybe in the next release
[05:39] <natroll> (not dapper)
[05:40] <natroll> tools like sleuthkit and autopsy are already included.  throw in pyflag and it's pretty well on it's way to being able to do most tasks
[05:41] <LaserJock> natroll: sounds cool
[05:47] <natroll> well, that's what I want to move towards
[05:47] <natroll> and pyflag is the first step
[05:48] <natroll> so i need to file an exception report apparently?
[05:51] <LaserJock> natroll: well, to be honest I don't know how good the chances would be. We have had a Feature Freeze ( when we stop added totally new packages) since 23rd of Feburary.
[05:51] <natroll> ahhh poo
[05:51] <natroll> who would i talk to about that?
[05:51] <LaserJock> natroll: well, you need a package first
[05:52] <LaserJock> natroll: and then you can write a report and probably send it to the ubuntu-motu mailing list
[05:53] <LaserJock> natroll: probably the best bet is to shoot for Dapper+1 and then see if it is backport material
[05:56] <natroll> LaserJock, hmmm, while i'd like to, maybe i'll do it this summer.
[05:56] <Mr> i would like to fix bugs
[05:56] <LaserJock> natroll: sometimes it takes a while to get a suitable source package made. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule has the Dapper release schedule
[05:57] <LaserJock> natroll: we are close to the end there
[05:57] <natroll> LaserJock, I would be making the package myself, and hopefully be the maintainer
[05:57] <LaserJock> natroll: but you are welcome to work on the package at any time. REVU will be really good to get feedback
[05:59] <LaserJock> Mr_Spiff: good. You might check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs for bug squashing info
[05:59] <crimsun> natroll: (primary maintainer? We don't own packages by ourselves in Ubuntu.)
[06:00] <natroll> crimsun, yeah
[06:00] <natroll> crimsun, is that so? how does it work?
[06:00] <crimsun> natroll: all of MOTU maintains universe and multiverse
[06:00] <crimsun> we have primary points of contact for certain packages, of course, but any MOTU can make changes to any package in universe & multiverse
[06:01] <natroll> so i need to be in the MOTU to create and maintain the package?
[06:02] <LaserJock> natroll: you can also try to get your package into Debian (where they have maintainership)
[06:02] <crimsun> no, only to upload
[06:02] <natroll> hrm
[06:03] <LaserJock> natroll: Universe/Multiverse are community maintained which means anybody can send in a patch. But only a certain group (the MOTUs) can actually upload to the repos.
[06:04] <natroll> ok, well i'll work on that package today
[06:05] <LaserJock> natroll: cool, just make sure to make source packages so you can upload it to REVU
[06:06] <natroll> LaserJock, what is REVU?
[06:06] <natroll> something upstream
[06:06] <LaserJock> natroll: REVU is a special server used by the MOTU to review community submitted packages
[06:06] <natroll> oh, ok
[06:06] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU has more info
[06:07] <natroll> thanks :D
[06:07] <LaserJock> natroll: np
[06:08] <natroll> i'm gonna take a break, i'll be back in a while
[06:10] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: ah, your here ;-)
[06:11] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, yes :)
[06:11] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: I uploaded build2 for supercollider the other day
[06:11] <Gloubiboulga> I've seen this, thanks LaserJock
[06:12] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: there were some scons issues that prevented it from building
[06:12] <Gloubiboulga> ah...
[06:12] <Gloubiboulga> what can/should I do?
[06:12] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: those got fixed last night but supercollider doesn't seem to like 64 bit archs
[06:13] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, yes, it's specified in the debian/control file IIRC
[06:13] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: to not build on 64 bit ?
[06:13] <Gloubiboulga> I'm looking in the sources
[06:14] <ogra> sources ?
[06:14] <ogra> microsource ?
[06:14] <Gloubiboulga> '' is just next to the <enter> key on my keyboard ogra :)
[06:14] <ogra> heh
[06:15] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: ok, I see some are i386 ppc but others are any and all
[06:16] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, yes, `supercollider' is i386 and ppc
[06:16] <LaserJock> hmm, having a  '' would be pretty cool for me as a scientist
[06:18] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, it's a belgian keyboard
[06:19] <Gloubiboulga> I can find one for you if you want ;)
[06:19] <desrt> ogra, laserjock; compose u /
[06:19] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: ok, well I'm not really sure about what it exactly going on with supercollider
[06:20] <ogra> desrt, and where is my compose key on a de-nodeadkeys keymap ? :)
[06:20] <desrt> ogra; that's your problem :)
[06:20] <ogra> heh
[06:20] <bddebian> Anyone know if there is some way for me to disable ACPI on a server install?
[06:20] <LaserJock> what's a compose key?
[06:20] <desrt> ogra; good choice might be your right meta key
[06:20] <ogra> nodeadkeys disables compose :)
[06:20] <ogra> you have to explicitly set it ... but i'm a lazy bastard
[06:20] <desrt> LaserJock; lets you combine 2 characters
[06:21] <desrt> LaserJock; like <compose> <"> <o> = 
[06:21] <desrt> or <compose> <u> </> = 
[06:21] <Mr_Spiff> do you guys do development in a chroot
[06:22] <Mr_Spiff> or xen or something?
[06:22] <LaserJock> Mr_Spiff: depends
[06:22] <LaserJock> Mr_Spiff: what do you mean by development?
[06:22] <Mr_Spiff> well say you've got a bug in firefox
[06:22] <Mr_Spiff> do you use the latest builds of everything
[06:23] <LaserJock> we generally run Dapper (or at least have a Dapper chroot) if that is what you mean
[06:24] <Mr_Spiff> yeah so you run dapper on your dev machine?
[06:25] <LaserJock> well, I've run soley dapper for quite a few months but lots of people just have a dev machine
[06:27] <Mr_Spiff> OK cool
[06:28] <LaserJock> Mr_Spiff: but right now I do most of my packaging work in a dapper chroot on a sarge box
[06:28] <Mr_Spiff> strange, why not eat your own dogfood?
[06:29] <LaserJock> Mr_Spiff: well, on that box I need a 2.4 kernel so...
[06:30] <Mr_Spiff> just curious!  so dapper probably won't hose my system?
[06:31] <LaserJock> Mr_Spiff: shouldn't but it is still a development release so you use it at your own risk ;-)
[06:31] <LaserJock> Mr_Spiff: but if you want to work with bugs it is helpful to at least have a dapper chroot
[06:32] <Tonio_> hi
[06:32] <Gloubiboulga> hello Tonio_
[06:33] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: still no news for *netswitch ?
[06:33] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, there's no amd64 package in debian for supercollider...
[06:34] <Gloubiboulga> Tonio_, Kamion should have a look at those packages soon
[06:34] <Mr_Spiff> laser: i'm a student, i'll just dist-upgrade :D
[06:34] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: nice thanks ;)
[06:36] <LaserJock> Mr_Spiff: cool
[06:37] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: but is that because it is just allowed to fail or is it not even tried?
[06:38] <Gloubiboulga> according to the BTS, they tried to build it on amd64 but it failed
[06:39] <Gloubiboulga> I'd like to test this but I only have an x86
[06:39] <Mr_Spiff> i'll test it
[06:39] <Gloubiboulga> Mr_Spiff, thanks :)
[06:40] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: infinity told me that it looked to him like if the warnings in the i386 build were fixed the 64 bit stuff might work
[06:43] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you can also look on Launchpad
[06:44] <Gloubiboulga> right
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/12/msg00281.html
[06:54] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: interesting. Well, as long as we are in a similar situation to Debian.
[07:01] <Jobman> I think I've fixed  an unmet dep (enigmail-locales). So what sould I do next? Upload it to REVU?
[07:01] <crimsun> Jobman: no, generate a debdiff and attach it to the malone bug
[07:03] <Kyral> word of warning no talky in the current meeting in #ubuntu-meeting or else you get this wierd voice ban thing
[07:03] <crimsun> +q ?
[07:03] <crimsun> aka muzzle?
[07:03] <Kyral> no it was a % ban
[07:03] <crimsun> yes, that's +q
[07:04] <Kyral> ah
[07:04] <Kyral> meh all I did was lol'd at one of sabdfl's jokes...
[07:05] <natroll> lol
[07:05] <Kyral> I hope he remembers to remove it later...
[07:05] <natroll> ok, it wasn't funny
[07:05] <natroll>  /msg him
[07:05] <Kyral> I msg'd Seveas with a "sorry.."
[07:05] <tseng> get it removed another time
[07:05] <Kyral> hai
[07:06] <Kyral> Just wanna make sure it gets removed eventually...
[07:06] <tseng> if someone bans you, its amazingly annoying for them to send you a private message 2 seconds later to have it removed
[07:06] <Kyral> no it was jus a "sorry.." sheepish thing
[07:06] <Kyral> I like to apologize for offenses as soon as I commit them
[07:07] <crimsun> god, so many people pushing for wpa (although xsupplicant is complete arse)
[07:07] <Kyral> wtf is WPA? I mean I know what it is, but why is it so important
[07:08] <tseng> because people think wep is insecure
[07:08] <natroll> because people know wep is insecure
[07:08] <tseng> which it is, but it leaves the question "does it really matter?"
[07:08] <Kyral> Which it is...compared to WPA...but wireless transmission has always been insecure compared to "land-line"
[07:08] <tseng> its enough of a deterent to keep war drivers off your net
[07:09] <tseng> and unless you are an idiot, you use strong cryptography to send stuff across the network anyway
[07:09] <natroll> wpa2 with the largest key possible is actually very difficult to break
[07:09] <tseng> whether you use a wire, or wep, or wpa
[07:09] <tseng> encryption to the WAP imo is only useful for detering people from freeloading on your network
[07:09] <Kyral> yah, "Law of the Net No.1" Never assume a secure transmission unless you KNOW it
[07:10] <tseng> which WEP does well enough
[07:10] <Kyral> yup
[07:10] <Kyral> I mean if I'm sending secure data, I'm gonna be using SSH or SSL regardless
[07:10] <tseng> exactly.
[07:10] <crimsun> I think I'm going to scream at the wpa comments. :)
[07:10] <natroll> i know if i went war-driving i'd be looking to practice cracking wep
[07:11] <Amaranth> everyone is bitching about wpa :/
[07:11] <Kyral> I disagree with the college thing
[07:11] <tseng> natroll: really, and then what
[07:11] <Amaranth> WEP can't be cracked these days
[07:11] <Kyral> I mean, all the Wireless AP hotspots on my campus are completely insecured
[07:11] <natroll> tseng, nothing, because i'm not evil like that
[07:11] <natroll> lol Amaranth, you keep thinking that
[07:11] <Amaranth> unless you have old hardware there are no weak packets leaked
[07:11] <Amaranth> natroll: trust me
[07:11] <natroll> Amaranth, no thanks
[07:12] <Amaranth> only old or crappy hardware gives you what you need to break WEP
[07:12] <Amaranth> otherwise you have to bruteforce
[07:12] <Kyral> Has the suggestion that April 20th be used as the release for the Release Candidate been raised yet?
[07:12] <natroll> ok, you depend on that then Amaranth
[07:12] <crimsun> I don't think people have any idea how much EXTRA work will have to be done to push both wpasupplicant and n-m into shape
[07:13] <Amaranth> natroll: if i'm using wireless i don't expect anything to be secure
[07:13] <Amaranth> natroll: i meant for keeping people from joining your network
[07:13] <tseng> i dont expect anything to be secure if im plugged into a switch
[07:13] <tseng> w/o ssl
[07:13] <natroll> lol
[07:13] <tseng> Amaranth++;
[07:13] <Kyral> anyone?
[07:14] <Amaranth> anyway, i gotta catch a ride
[07:14] <natroll> Amaranth, yeah, WEP functions as a deterrant for your average user, which I'm sure i'm surrounded by
[07:14] <Amaranth> hopefully the meeting won't be over when i get back
[07:14] <crimsun> Kyral: place it on the wiki?
[07:14] <Amaranth> natroll: it stops the smart people too
[07:14] <Amaranth> natroll: unless you have bad/old hardware
[07:14] <Amaranth> natroll: there are no weak packets/ivs to work with
[07:14] <Kyral> nevermidn I'll keep quiet
[07:15] <Amaranth> natroll: i can scan a network for hours and only get 12 of them
[07:15] <natroll> Amaranth, there are techniques to generate traffic on those networks to get more weak packets
[07:15] <tseng> he wasnt talking about level of traffic
[07:16] <tseng> he was talking about fixing weaknesses in early wep
[07:16] <tseng> this is getting pretty boring, and off topic
[07:16] <Mr_Spiff> regardless WPA is obviously preferred at colleges ;)
[07:16] <tseng> if you want encryption
[07:16] <tseng> use ssh/ssl
[07:16] <natroll> the weaknesses still exist.  Well, according to my network security instructor who goes to SANS every year
[07:17] <crimsun> wpa2 is preferable, but I am NOT a fan of the extra amount of work that MUST occur over and beyond what already needs to be done
[07:17] <natroll> i'm not saying the implementation hasn't improved
[07:17] <natroll> crimsun, indeed, ideally we need some sort of authentication with generated keys, similar to vpn connections and whatnot
[07:18] <Mr_Spiff> this is strange, of course everyone has a package or fix they'd love to get into the new ubuntu
[07:19] <Mr_Spiff> i mean of course *buntu maintainers care about *
[07:19] <natroll> ha
[07:19] <tseng> you can use rotating keys with wep and 802.1x
[07:19] <tseng> backended to radius
[07:20] <Mr_Spiff> tseng: i believe you that wep can be secure ;)
[07:20] <natroll> yeah, that again just makes it more difficult, but i've heard reports (even recently) of it being broken in less than 10 minutes using a variety of packet generation techniques
[07:20] <Kyral> anyone yhat msg'd Seveas...heck I can't even talk
[07:21] <crimsun> (yes you can, but not in there right now)
[07:22] <Kyral> yah I forgot Seveas was here *red face*
[07:23] <Mr_Spiff> who are mdz, seveas and sabdfl?
[07:23] <Kyral> sabdfl == Mark Shuttleworth
[07:24] <crimsun> Mr_Spiff: /whois them
[07:24] <crimsun> all of us are supposed to have contact info in our /whois
[07:25] <Kyral> Is it open floor now?
[07:25] <Seveas> mdz == CTO, sabdfl == CEO, /me == CIO
[07:26] <Mr_Spiff> ty
[07:32] <Mr_Spiff> what's "TB"
[07:32] <crimsun> technical board
[07:33] <hub> hello world
[07:34] <hub> mdz is cto? I didn't know
[07:34] <Mr_Spiff> holy crap this meeting is hard to follow
[07:34] <Kyral> Welcome to Ubuntu Meetings lol
[07:34] <crimsun> it's because everyone's blurting $random
[07:35] <LaserJock> oh, a meeting is on?
[07:35] <Kyral> yah the meeting to discuss the 6 week delay
[07:35] <Mr_Spiff> cat /dev/urandom | ircii
[07:35] <Kyral> lol
[07:37] <ajmitch> morning all
[07:37] <crimsun> 'lo ajmitch
[07:38] <greenpenguin13> pineapple ajmitch
[07:38] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[07:39] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[07:39] <Mr_Spiff> wow i'd like to see a spec meeting for dapper+1 :)
[07:40] <crimsun> a.k.a. nightmare
[07:40] <Kyral> lol
[07:42] <crimsun> (personally, a 6-wk delay should be considered only if no additional features -- not wpa, not n-m, etc. -- are considered)
[07:43] <Mr_Spiff> yeah i gathered that, and its my first day
[07:44] <Mr_Spiff> i hate the word polish thuogh
[07:44] <Mr_Spiff> especially when its applied to correcting blatant programming errors
[07:45] <crimsun> diction aside, having managed software projects, it is incredible that n-m is even being considered in the timespan
[07:45] <natroll> i always think it say polish, as in poland
[07:45] <LaserJock> and I always get confuse it with people from a certain eastern European contru ;-)
[07:45] <netzmeister> wow, in ubuntu-meeting starts a party :-D
[07:46] <Kyral> Actually...didn't sabdfl say he needed to go soon?
[07:46] <ajmitch> crimsun: don't worry, there are also users who say that Xgl is *the* most important feature
[07:46] <Mr_Spiff> what's xgl?
[07:47] <ajmitch> crack
[07:47] <Kyral> Eyecandy
[07:47] <hub> crack
[07:47] <hub> aixgl is eyecandy
[07:47] <Mr_Spiff> google...
[07:47] <Kyral> basically
[07:47] <hub> :-)
[07:47] <Mr_Spiff> looks sexy
[07:47] <Kyral> Personally I just use XCompmgr
[07:47] <hub> Kyral: not really related
[07:47] <Kyral> eyecandy :P
[07:48] <Amaranth> xcompmgr is buggy
[07:48] <Amaranth> and doesn't use gl
[07:48] <Kyral> Not as buggy as XGL
[07:48] <Kyral> and doesn't require a seperate XServer...
[07:48] <natroll> check out kororaa
[07:49] <natroll> liveCD that uses xgl with comp
[07:49] <Kyral> Didn't DW have an interview with them?
[07:49] <natroll> i dunno, but i just tried it last night and it works slick with my nvidia 6800
[07:50] <natroll> very pretty to have a video playing between desktops while using transparency
[07:51] <Mr_Spiff> why would you want a video projected on a cube?
[07:52] <natroll> no reason but to exploit the capabilities
[07:52] <natroll> tbh it's all about eye candy
[07:54] <Mr_Spiff> nethack-on-a-cube
[07:55] <LaserJock> hmm, so is there anything we could ask for that would be helpful for a Dapper+1 that is 6 weeks shorter?
[07:56] <crimsun> it likely wouldn't be 6 weeks shorter
[07:57] <crimsun> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDelayMeetingSummary)
[07:57] <LaserJock> that is what they are leaning towards right now?
[07:57] <ajmitch> who knows?
[07:58] <LaserJock> I was just trying to think about things (especially in LP) that might streamline our work
[07:59] <natroll> LaserJock, sick days and lots of coffee?
[08:00] <LaserJock> lol
[08:00] <Mr_Spiff> what's the CC?
[08:00] <natroll> whats CC?
[08:00] <crimsun> community council
[08:00] <natroll> TB = technical board, ahhhh
[08:00] <Mr_Spiff> users group?
[08:01] <crimsun> please see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes
[08:01] <crimsun> (scroll to the bottom)
[08:01] <natroll> CC = Communist Comrades? ;-)
[08:01] <Mr_Spiff> ty crimsun
[08:03] <hub> what will be the name of dapper + 1?
[08:03] <hub> just curious
[08:03] <natroll> Edgy Echidna
[08:03] <natroll> i dunno
[08:03] <natroll> someone said Edgy Elephant
[08:03] <LaserJock> I didn't think that has been decided yet
[08:03] <natroll> I thought Early Echidna would be funny
[08:03] <natroll> it's anything but early
[08:03] <minghua> hi LaserJock
[08:04] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[08:04] <ajmitch> hi minghua
[08:04] <natroll> hi LingHock
[08:05] <minghua> LaserJock and ajmitch: I am going to apply for MOTU on today's TB meeting, will you show up and give me some support? :-)
[08:06] <ajmitch> minghua: when is the meeting?
[08:06] <ajmitch> ah, just under an hour
[08:06] <minghua> ajmitch: 20:00 UTC
[08:06] <minghua> yes, in one hour
[08:06] <natroll> what time did this meeting start?
[08:06] <ajmitch> current meeting started at 18:00 UTC
[08:07] <ajmitch> minghua: I suppose you've done enough by now for MOTU :)
[08:07] <natroll> ummm, what time is it now UTC?
[08:07] <ajmitch> Tue Mar 14 19:07:40 UTC 2006
[08:08] <minghua> ajmitch: thanks, hope the TB feels the same way :-)
[08:10] <crimsun> minghua: good use of emphasis on your wiki page
[08:10] <crimsun> that should help speed some questions regarding Debian & Ubuntu work
[08:11] <minghua> crimsun: I should thank another MOTU for the emphasis, he suggested it, but I can't remember who that is now :-(
[08:11] <LaserJock> minghua: unfortunately I can't make it
[08:11] <LaserJock> minghua: I have to take a prospective grad student to lunch today
[08:11] <minghua> LaserJock: no problem
[08:11] <crimsun> I've uploaded packages; I can be present
[08:12] <LaserJock> well, it really stinks cause I think raphink is going to try for core-dev today
[08:12] <minghua> crimsun: yeah, most of my scim related uploads are through you :-)
[08:12] <crimsun> LaserJock: ah yes, it's that time of the year again, heh
[08:12] <ajmitch> minghua: yes, it's better to get people who've sponsored you rather than random people like me who are clueless
[08:13] <minghua> ajmitch: oh sure, I just thought you've reviewed my patch before
[08:13] <minghua> ajmitch: but if you can't evaluate my work, I of course won't insist
[08:15] <LaserJock> minghua: I don't think you'll have much of a problem. Thanks for the MOTUScience plug btw ;-)
[08:15] <ajmitch> minghua: I've looked at some patches
[08:16] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, I really think MOTUScience is an important team, although I haven't done much for it (yet) :-)
[08:17] <LaserJock> minghua: well, I've been mostly doing organizational work so far. Dapper+1 is really a chance for the team to shine so I hope you can do more then.
[08:18] <minghua> LaserJock: I hope so, too
[08:19] <LaserJock> minghua: when you are a MOTU that would make 3 MOTUs for the team, which should help
[08:21] <LaserJock> minghua: btw, I dropped the tex section in favor of electronics for the MOTU Science package list
[08:22] <LaserJock> minghua: and then I added a misc list with the tex packages that would be interesting for scientists and science related apps from other sections
[08:22] <LaserJock> minghua: so now we have math, science, electronics, and misc
[08:23] <minghua> LaserJock: ah good.  did you send a mail to our list about this change?
[08:23] <LaserJock> I will today
[08:23] <LaserJock> I need to start getting people pumped up for Dapper+1
[08:23] <minghua> LaserJock: I think our list needs more traffic ;-)
[08:23] <LaserJock> I agree, and that is my fault
[08:23] <LaserJock> I'm just not much of an emailer. I prefer this channel for all my communication ;-)
[08:24] <LaserJock> minghua: I also got a LP admin to add the motuscience LP team to the initial bug contact list for all the packages (419 total)
[08:25] <netzmeister> re
[08:25] <minghua> LaserJock: oh, okay.  I assume I don't need to worry about low list traffic from now on, then...
[08:26] <ajmitch> great, I've got *some* of the new computer parts I need
[08:26] <LaserJock> minghua: actually, I haven't seen that many bugs for the science related packages. I think that is another thing to work on
[08:26] <LaserJock> minghua: I don't think they are getting tested very much
[08:27] <LaserJock> minghua: I was thinking of posting something on the forums to get people to test packages for the Bug Day
[08:27] <LaserJock> bbl
[08:27] <crimsun> you need people to use them (high school, college/university) first
[08:28] <LaserJock> crimsun: honestly we need people to file bugs and not just go "oh well, guess I'll try something else"
[08:28] <minghua> LaserJock: I agree, they definitely aren't tested enough
[08:29] <minghua> or not reported as you said
[08:29] <crimsun> it's unfortunate that many people will just shrug and move on
[08:29] <LaserJock> but I think if I call for some testing and give some wiki pages for bug reporting it might help at least
[08:29] <LaserJock> especially if I say that we will try to address them
[08:31] <minghua> ok, I've updated my wiki page to add the recent work
[08:32] <natroll> so should I be creating any new packages in dapper?
[08:32] <crimsun> yes, though keep in mind it'll be easier to target them for dapper+1
[08:33] <natroll> crimsun, which would change my package creation how? (sorry, I just don't know)
[08:33] <crimsun> natroll: it wouldn't
[08:34] <crimsun> natroll: aside from the simple adjustment in debian/changelog
[08:34] <natroll> crimsun, ok, i'll be back in a bit with my piece of ju...errr package ;D
[08:49] <natroll> maybe i should be hittin up you guys, i can't download from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/universe/
[08:51] <ajmitch> why do you think we'd be able to do anything? :)
[08:51] <natroll> you guys can upload? :D
[08:51] <ajmitch> and?
[08:51] <natroll> maybe it's syncing?
[08:51] <crimsun> what are you trying to download?
[08:51] <ajmitch> uploads are done to a different server, processed through launchpad
[08:51] <natroll> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/universe/source/Sources.gz
[08:52] <crimsun> (use a.u.c)
[08:52] <ajmitch> & what problems do you get?
[08:52] <natroll> download won't start
[08:52] <Nafallo> I can wget it fine.
[08:52] <natroll> first dist-upgrade failed
[08:52] <ajmitch> sounds more like a network problem on your end, if the rest of us can get it fine
[08:52] <natroll> then downloading the individual package through firefox failed to start
[08:53] <ajmitch> hello Nafallo !
[08:53] <Nafallo> ajmitch: hi there :-)
[08:53] <natroll> heh, i just did two upgrades from the same mirror today
[08:53] <ajmitch> Nafallo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/5164
[08:53] <Ubugtu> malone bug 5164 in f-spot "F-Spot crashes on startup after photos.db is created" [Normal,Needs info] 
[08:53] <bddebian> Do we have a wiki page on creating a Repo?  Not LocalAptRepo but a full blown repo??
[08:53] <ajmitch> Nafallo: give me info!
[08:54] <ajmitch> Nafallo: if it's not already fixed I suspect it will be with the next upload once I finish migration code :)
[08:55] <Nafallo> ajmitch: hmm, right now it doesn't even start :-P. -mono :-)
[08:56] <ajmitch> explain
[08:59] <natroll> hrm, now it's working...
[09:01] <Nafallo> yea, it was probably syncing...
[09:01] <Nafallo> try multiple times before asking please :-)
[09:02] <natroll> i did, just not with a period of waiting between it.....now it's flaking out and download has ground to a halt
[09:04] <natroll> my network connection is bein flaky, i'll be back in a bit
[09:23] <crimsun> congrats raphink :)
[09:24] <minghua> yeah, congrats raphink
[09:24] <raphink> thanks :)
[09:24] <Gloubiboulga> bravo raphink ;)
[09:25] <raphink> hehe :)
[09:25] <dolzzzon> congrats raphink
[09:25] <dolzzzon> I'm still catching up in the logs
[09:27] <dolson> cripes, people can't read
[09:28] <nlindblad> evening masters!
[09:28] <dolson> hi nlindblad
[09:33] <Nafallo> why isn't libogre5c2a in the dapper archives?
[09:34] <Mithrandir> hiya Nafallo
[09:35] <lfittl> Nafallo: it could be in binary NEW
[09:35] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: hi there! *hug*
[09:35] <Nafallo> lfittl: yea, my thought aswell.
[09:35] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: long time no see, you've been busy?
[09:35] <crimsun> congrats minghua
[09:35] <dolson> congrats minghua :)
[09:36] <minghua> thanks crimsun and dolson!
[09:38] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: yea, new work and stuff like that. now I'm sick, so finally some quality IRC-time ;-).
[09:38] <Mithrandir> haha. :-)
[09:38] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: how's gothcat?
[09:38] <Nafallo> sick aswell ;-)
[09:38] <Mithrandir> oh well, apart from that?
[09:39] <ajmitch> minghua: ah sorry I wasn't there to support you, was on phone :) welcome anyway
[09:39] <minghua> ajmitch: no problem, and thanks :-)
[10:24] <Spec> How went the second meeting?
[10:44] <slomo> Spec: what do you mean?
[10:45] <Kyral> The second meeting to discuss the delay for Dapper
[10:46] <Spec> I attended the 4 am one
[10:46] <Spec> When can we expect a final decision?
[10:46] <Kyral> yah, sabdfl held another one at 1 PM EST
[10:46] <Kyral> for us who DON'T want to wakeup early
[10:46] <dolson> or those of us who go to bed late
[10:47] <Kyral> that too
[10:47] <dolson> wait, that makes no sense for me
[10:47] <Kyral> lol
[10:47] <Spec> Kyral: what? wake up?
[10:47] <dolson> lol, I stayed up through the night
[10:47] <Spec> :p
[10:47] <dholbach> good night guys
[10:47] <dolson> nn dholbach
[10:47] <Kyral> night dholbach
[10:47] <Spec> i stayed up the night before, so i couldn't do two nights awake in a row
[10:48] <Spec> so i slept all day today :p
[10:48] <slomo> gn8 dholbach
[10:53] <LaserJock> ok, what did I miss?
[10:53] <ajmitch> not a lot
[10:53] <Tonio_> little question
[10:53] <ajmitch> just a lot of talk :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: oh and minghua is a MOTU
[10:53] <Tonio_> is ubuntu making usage of networkmanager by default actually ?
[10:53] <LaserJock> ajmitch: how did raphink do?
[10:54] <LaserJock> I'll have to go check the logs
[10:54] <LaserJock> congrats minghua! That is awesome
[10:54] <ajmitch> ah, he was approved
[10:54] <dolson> IIRC, raphink was approved
[10:57] <LaserJock> nice
[10:58] <LaserJock> congrats raphink!
[10:58] <raphink> thanks LaserJock:)
[10:58] <raphink> :D
[11:08] <minghua> LaserJock: thanks
[11:13] <Spec> oo, oo, i wanna be a member, pick me! pick me! :p
[11:15] <mister_spiff> what is dd
[11:15] <Spec> d-day? man dd?
[11:16] <bddebian> Debian Developer?
[11:16] <mister_spiff> ohhh
[11:17] <Kyral> Time to test Espresso
[11:19] <minghua> Ahh, #ubuntu-meeting is locked now, nice move
[11:19] <Kyral> lol
[11:19] <Kyral> what happened?
[11:20] <minghua> just random clueless people coming in and ask about the delay, I suppose
[11:20] <minghua> you'll have to ask Seveas about that
[11:20] <minghua> Seveas did wonderful police work during the TB meeting BTW :-)
[11:23] <Kyral> lol as he did during the second "Delay Meeting"
[11:25] <Kyral> Espresso in progress
[11:25] <Kyral> *takes notes on things so he can file bug reports or wishlist reports*
[11:27] <mister_spiff> whats espresso?
[11:27] <Kyral> The LiveCD Installer
[11:28] <Kyral> wait, what is the status of the feature freeze right now?
[11:28] <crimsun> "yes, FF is still in effect"
[11:28] <Kyral> dangit
[11:29] <Kyral> I had a suggestion for Espresso
[11:29] <crimsun> (that doesn't mean you can't make one)
[11:29] <Kyral> good point
[11:29] <Kyral> I'll file them in LP once I'm out of the Live system
[11:32] <Spec> How is Espresso?
[11:32] <Spec> Does it support automagic resizing of ntfs partitions?
[11:33] <Kyral> Didn't try as I don't have a NTFS partition handy
[11:33] <Spec> that's a good thing ^.^
[11:35] <Kyral> I was thinking that if Espresso detects a live Net conn, it should allow you to select which -desktop package to install
[11:41] <Kyral> here goes nothing...REBOOT!