[02:52] <iGotNoTime> Good evening beautiful people!!!!
[03:15] <magnon> ogra?
[03:20] <iGotNoTime> ogra they fixed my video problem :D I needed a codec
[03:20] <iGotNoTime> hi magnon :)
[03:41] <magnon> hi burg
[04:05] <iGotNoTime> in the core apps of Edubuntu what can I use to burn ISO's ?
[04:07] <magnon> cdrecord should be around
[04:07] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[04:07] <iGotNoTime> didn't know it would do ISO
[04:09] <magnon> only thing I ever used it for :P
[04:41] <magnon> hi again, burg :)
[04:44] <Burgundavia> salut
[04:44] <Burgundavia> wireless is flaky here
[04:50] <iGotNoTime> noob question.... Why does my system clock reset 4-5 times per day and the time is never the same as what my watch says or to what I have set it for?
[08:35] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/ChildrensBrowser any thoughts?
[08:37] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i think it's a nice idea. might be useful for a kiosk mode if you want computers in a creche
[08:37] <Burgundavia> ogra is planning on a kiosk mode, but plans to use FF, due to the gnome deps of epiphany
[08:37] <highvoltage> i've also wondered before if using epiphany instead of firefox would save space on the CD
[08:37] <highvoltage> but i think people would be upset if they didn't get firefox
[08:37] <Burgundavia> no they wouldn't
[08:38] <Burgundavia> most especially not in education
[08:43] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: do you know anybody with python knowledge?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: what are you doing with the edubuntu website?
[10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco has the cutest daughter ever
[10:22] <JaneW> she needs to be our edubuntu mascot :)
[10:27] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl2
[10:27] <highvoltage> :)
[10:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: yeah http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/112677442/
[10:44] <ogra> magnon isa back !!
[10:44] <ogra> *is
[10:44] <ogra> hey magnon :)
[10:44] <ogra> morning all
[10:44] <magnon> hey ogra :) you got my mail?
[10:46] <ogra> form today ? 
[10:46] <ogra> i just got up ...
[10:47] <highvoltage> hi ogra and magnon
[10:47] <magnon> no, couple of weeks ago
[10:47] <highvoltage> JaneW: btw, i like all this posting to edubuntu-devel, it makes a nice buzz :)
[10:48] <ogra> magnon, oh, yes... what happened ?
[10:48] <JaneW> yup, I have been trying to keep up to date there again...
[10:48] <JaneW> of course now my inbox is suffering! ;)
[10:52] <magnon> ogra: well - lots of things I haven't been good at talking about that kind of found its way into bugging my head a tad too much.
[10:52] <magnon> but today is a turnover day
[10:53] <ogra> yay
[10:53] <magnon> got a new job :)
[10:53] <ogra> great to have you back :)
[10:53] <ogra> we missed you+
[10:53] <magnon> thanks :) and now I'm really going to do all what I wanted to do
[10:53] <magnon> ...after I watch you guys release dapper :D
[10:53] <highvoltage> magnon: cool, where are you working now?
[10:53] <ogra> magnon, this will likely happen on june 1st ...
[10:53] <magnon> highvoltage: Basefarm - norwegian server hosting company
[10:53] <magnon> ah, you pushed it?
[10:54] <ogra> seems we'll postpone ...
[10:54] <magnon> ok
[10:54] <magnon> good, I think ;)
[10:54] <ogra> its not finally decided yet
[10:54] <ogra> afaik
[10:54] <magnon> highvoltage: running sites for the two largest norwegian and two largest swedish newspapers, second biggest norwegian airline, Oslo officials, norwegian finance authorities, and so on :)
[10:55] <highvoltage> wow, sounds like a big job :)
[10:56] <ogra> yeah
[10:56] <magnon> yeah, I'm very happy. Just got the phone call an hour ago
[10:56] <magnon> don't know the salary yet, but... :)
[10:58] <ogra> as long as its a reason to stand up in the morning, its good :)
[11:07] <magnon> urgh. They have microsoft.no too :p
[11:12] <highvoltage> does that mean you'll be working with IIS machines too? poor magnon!
[11:14] <magnon> yeah... but I asked if I could get preinstalled ubuntu on my workstation, and they said they would try :p
[11:36] <tsurc> Any one have any sugestions on getting hydrogen to work with the thin-client?
[11:36] <tsurc> hydrogen-- drum machine. uses jack, alsa, oss. but no esd !
[11:38] <tsurc> the kids in the school are really keen to try it out!
[11:48] <ogra> neither of jack alsa oss support network transport ...
[11:48] <ogra> can it do nasd ? 
[11:48] <ogra> (we have nas support in the code, but its completely untested)
[11:51] <tsurc> don't know but i'll see. and if it has (or as an added module) then now would be a good time to test it don't you think?
[11:51] <tsurc> I'm prob' letting myself in for a lot of greef, but hey who cares !
[11:52] <ogra> we dont support nas anyway, its just an add on debian needs :)
[11:52] <ogra> but if it helps you, then its fine :)
[11:53] <tsurc> ;-)
[11:55] <ogra> we'll find a better sound solution for dapper+1 or +2 ... this was the cheap one ...
[12:20] <tsurc> now that is strange.. I just install flight 5 on another server we have... and no sound.
[12:20] <tsurc> does it matter if there is a sound card in the server or not?
[12:24] <ogra> nope
[12:24] <ogra> but you have to set SOUND=True in lts.conf
[12:30] <tsurc> done already
[12:33] <JaneW> ** Reminder** Meeting in 27 minutes in #u-m as usual, you know the drill ;)
[12:42] <JaneW> Burgwork: I just found your latest planet post...lol
[12:42] <JaneW> 'Launchpad eats kittens'!
[12:51] <pips1_away> JaneW, I'll be a bit late for the meeting today, but i'll try to be there
[12:51] <JaneW> ok thanks
[12:56] <ogra> and i wont have much to tell :)
[12:56] <ogra> will be a short meeting i guess
[12:57] <JaneW> ogra: *hope*
[12:59] <JaneW> ** Reminder** Meeting in 2 minutes in #u-m as usual, you know the drill ;)
[01:00] <ogra> hmm, march 08 is already over ...
[01:01] <JaneW> ty
[01:36] <kjcole> yagisan, these  meetings always fall  when I'm barely awake and on  my way to work.    but  I  think we're pretty hungry for  recipes.  My only  concern  is that teachers  who don't worry about security  under microsoft need to feel  good  about switching to edubuntu
[01:37] <Yagisan> sure
[01:37] <flint> hey kevin...
[01:37] <Yagisan> I understand. I'm not going to suggest things like pax/execsheild
[01:38] <Yagisan> I'm scanning the cookbook notes on the wiki now. As I see areas that can be improved I'll make a note
[01:38] <kjcole> hey flint...
[01:38] <Yagisan> eg, the world readable home directories
[01:39] <flint> Yagisan, I have a suggested reciepe for security, and it is pretty radical.  Keep in mind you are training young minds...
[01:39] <Yagisan> that is something a teacher may want to change
[01:39] <kjcole> flint: core wars? ;-)
[01:39] <Yagisan> sure flint, go ahead
[01:40] <flint> Yagisan, the basic concept is that these young monsters either become our allies or our adversaries.  the project will fail if the security is a jail.
[01:40] <flint> Yagisan, the Jail approach has failed for Window$.  
[01:41] <Yagisan> of course. But child proofing the system is a good idea. It's not fun if the 3rd kid in the back row launches a fork bomb on the server because he typed "smileys" in a command prompt
[01:42] <Yagisan> and the server crashes
[01:42] <flint> someone who takes root needs to be trained, not punished.  secuity systems in this case identify and educate only.
[01:42] <flint> the thing is protected from fork bombs.  there is a fork limit.
[01:43] <kjcole> also,  some  mechanism for protecting  your homework from the lazy  might  be in   order...
[01:43] <Yagisan> yes, eg by default all of /home can be read by any user on the system
[01:43] <flint> the opportunity here is for SATE.  Security Awareness Trainnig and Education, which is not exciting, but vital.
[01:44] <flint> Yagisan, I will check that.  
[01:45] <kjcole> yagisan, perhaps  something in  /etc/skel or wherever that  creates a  public and  private   area in  each  home dir
[01:45] <flint> kjcole, if this world writable space is correct this is a bug.  it needs to be fixed i
[01:45] <Yagisan> kjcole: that's a lot of effort
[01:46] <Yagisan> kjcole: flint: sudo dpkg-reconfigure adduser
[01:46] <Yagisan> say no
[01:46] <Yagisan> then add users
[01:46] <flint> Yagisan, you would agree that all reading the entire /home tree is a bug eh?
[01:46] <Yagisan> problem fixed
[01:47] <Yagisan> flint: for a school - yes
[01:47] <Yagisan> flint: that is a case by case call for this
[01:47] <kjcole> yagisan, how so?    (I didn't think  changing  the  defaults  for  new users  was that  complex)
[01:47] <flint> Yagisan, where would it not be a bug.   is this not written for use in a school?
[01:48] <Yagisan> flint: well, my work systems have no expectation of privacy, so its not-a-bug there.
[01:48] <tsurc> the ltspfs and ltspfsd packages in dapper, does anyone have any information on there use in flight5
[01:49] <Yagisan> flint: but on my non work systems, it is a bug
[01:49] <flint> Yagisan, yet you have an expectation that your work will not be Destroyed, Altered or Copied.
[01:49] <kjcole> yagisan, I  admit I  haven't set  up a lot   of  users, but  I  thought whatever was dropped into /etc/skel (or somewhere  similar) was  automatically popped  into  directories  when  new  users are  created...
[01:50] <tsurc> rather than follow the instructions on the ltsp wiki to build my own I thought i'd use the ones ogra did.
[01:50] <Yagisan> kjcole: is just a simple permission change in the adduser script. You can change it yourself after the fact. I just think they picked the wrong default
[01:50] <ogra> tsurc, they are outdated 
[01:50] <flint> I have my edubuntu demo box turned off.  I am going to go and turn it on.
[01:50] <ogra> tsurc, but ltsp.org isnt ready yet as well... i'm waiting for themm to finish
[01:51] <tsurc> thanks for that. I'll roll my own and see how they go :)
[01:51] <ogra> tsurc, yep, sbalneav made some ubuntu related improvements recently
[01:51] <Yagisan> flint: with the default permissions, all that can be done is Copied, 
[01:52] <tsurc> Ooooo *rubs hands together in excitment*
[01:52] <flint> Yagisan, I need to get to the other meeting...  I will be back here with my data.
[01:54] <kjcole> yagisan,  I  agree,  but  I  was also suggesting  that  many teachers will want  areas where students can collaborate, and look  at each other's  stuff.  Perhaps  a recipe  showing them  how  to create sandbox  areas for  kiddies  to  play together...
[01:56] <Yagisan> kjcole: yes, I know. It's interesting when you have two separate goals. 1) to prevent cheating, 2) to encourage collaboration
[01:56] <Yagisan> there is no pure techincal solution to it
[01:58] <kjcole> Yagisan, Secure  by default is definitely the right  way to start, though.   Peace  of mind and all that.
[01:59] <Yagisan> of course. Best would be for me to look at each page in the cookbook as I have time, and offer suggestions (if needed) on how to secure it
[02:05] <kjcole> well,  i  feel  we  sort of  went off in different directions with the cookbook.   it started life as  a rewrite  of  the  tuxlab  cookbook,  and  much  of  what  jeff  or  I have  done  with it still has  that flavor.  but we werent  progressing fast enough.
[02:06] <kjcole> so  we  opened it  up to more contributors and re-thought  it as a  collection of recipes, since it's called  a  "cookbook".
[02:06] <Yagisan> yeah. I've noticed some stuff I'd disagree with re minimum hardware in thin clients, 
[02:07] <Yagisan> Ok. I'll do up a basically securing ubuntu doc as I get time, but I'll need some help
[02:07] <kjcole> jeff is  actually in a  classroom using the  thin client  stuff.   I never have. I  follow  his lead on a lot of this.
[02:07] <Yagisan> basically - I need people to go, Yagisan, this is to tech
[02:07] <Yagisan> kjcole: I reworked edubuntu to use at work
[02:08] <Yagisan> I wanted the thin client stuff
[02:08] <Yagisan> my kids are too young to use it
[02:08] <kjcole> i think both jeff  and i would be able to  "play  non-tech"  quite easily.  too easily. ;-)
[02:08] <Yagisan> excellent
[02:09] <Yagisan> my fault (no that I'd admit to it) is that I can be too technical
[02:10] <kjcole> My fault is that i'm too scattered.  I'm trying to learn a little about a lot.
[02:10] <kjcole> Anyway I need to get ready for work and hustle out the door.
[02:10] <Yagisan> no worries - my wife has been calling me for an hour
[02:11] <Yagisan> I should leave soon too
[02:11] <kjcole> heh.   later then.
[02:11] <Yagisan> it's "Jamie, come to bed, it's midnight!"
[03:11] <highvoltage> hi
[03:13] <highvoltage> how was the meeting?
[03:22] <highvoltage> bye!
[03:32] <JaneW> ogra: I see \sh is still alive...
[03:33] <ogra> yeah
[03:57] <ogra> JaneW, the question of the guy wasnt foolish, i just have no idea about KlamAV and apparently he already noticed that other KDE apps work
[03:58] <JaneW> ogra: agreed, I didn;t want him scared off by no response
[03:58] <JaneW> and him thinking he was being shunned
[03:58] <JaneW> when in fact we just don't know how to answer the Q
[04:02] <iGotNoTime> I have a question...Why does my system clock reset 4-5 times per day and the time is never the same as what my watch says or to what I have set it for?
[04:03] <ogra> iGotNoTime, doesnt happen on any machine here
[04:04] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[04:04] <iGotNoTime> must be something I installed then
[04:04] <ogra> or a setting you made
[06:14] <Burgwork> I got a great email from that person who has the email "A Teacher"
[06:14] <Burgwork> "Thanks Corey
[06:14] <Burgwork> I am already impressed with the support i've received.  It is refereshing to work with people who are actually interested in helping me.
[06:14] <Burgwork> Andrea"
[06:20] <highvoltage> burgandavia++ :)
[06:45] <highvoltage> anybody here? the channel is awfully quiet.
[08:09] <spacey> :)
[08:39] <tsurc_> I got bonding to work on edubuntu-dapper today. Does anyone think it would be good to write an article on the subject on the wiki.
[08:39] <ogra> absolutely !
[08:40] <tsurc_> I'm not an expert, but i can tell you what i did t get it working for me.
[08:40] <ogra> thats totally enough ...
[08:40] <ogra> its a wiki, there might be experts to flesh it out :)
[08:41] <tsurc_> we do however have a switch that supports .ad (Dynamic link aggrigation) so its not really that cheap to implement.
[08:42] <ogra> still, its valuable info for someone in the same situation, even if it might be a cornercase
[08:43] <tsurc_> great..
[09:42] <flint> ogra, ollie, you awake?
[09:43] <ogra> flint, partially :)
[09:43] <flint> ogra, believe me when I tell you you need your beauty rest... :^)
[09:43] <ogra> heh
[09:44] <ogra> i'm poking the screensaver and its bugs, needs to be done :)
[09:44] <flint> stoopid question, I cannot log onto wiki.edubuntu.org.  has someone finally begun to take security seriously and thrown me off?
[09:44] <ogra> hmm, i can ...
[09:45] <ogra> probably ask in #launchpad ...
[09:45] <flint> the wiki normally has a logon button in the left hand corner.  on mine it says locked...
[09:45] <flint> ogra, who did i piss off (i mean recently :^)
[09:45] <flint> ?
[09:45] <Burgwork> I think the ubuntu wiki is locked due to lp being down
[09:46] <ogra> hmm, dunno, must be someone from the launchpad team ...
[09:46] <ogra> :)
[09:46] <flint> ogra, it is a gift I have FITS!!!!
[09:46] <ogra> Burgwork, i'm logged in and can edit
[09:46] <Burgwork> hmm
[09:46] <flint> let me track this thanks folks!
[09:46] <ogra> but i didnt close my browser for a week ...
[09:47] <ogra> so it might be the still active cookie or something that lets me do it
[09:49] <flint> ogra,  the bad channel will not let me on... #launchpad :You need to be identified to join that channel
[09:49] <Burgwork> flint, you need to register yourself
[09:50] <ogra> yeah, you should do that ...
[09:50] <flint> Burgwork, i cannot register under my name flint
[09:52] <flint> ogra, btw I looked over the stuff sivan is doing and shot you a letter.  let me know if you find it entertaining...
[09:53] <ogra> heh, will do :)
[09:54] <ogra> btw, looks like the delay was approved by TB and CC today ...
[09:54] <ogra> so we'll have a beta release on apr 20th and the final on july 1st
[09:54] <flint> ogra, Oliver, what we both know about projects is that a slip is forever... and that's the good news.
[09:55] <ogra> in the end it might be good ... i'm still worried about the press we'll get ...
[09:56] <Burgwork> I wouldn't worry about it
[09:56] <ogra> there were people relying on the schedule
[09:56] <Burgwork> Ubuntu has taken some knocks recently, but I think we still have a strong prodcut
[09:56] <ogra> people doing derivatives etc
[09:57] <Burgwork> yes
[09:57] <ogra> they wont be happy about that ...
[09:58] <ogra> and we break with a tradition... all releases were perfectly on schedule until now ...
[09:58] <Burgwork> and six weeks is a long time
[09:59] <ogra> yep
[09:59] <HedgeMage> flint: the nickname "flint" is expired... I can drop it so you can register it if you like.
[10:00] <flint> ogra, what william randolph hearst said was "say what you want about me but spell my name right"  this is good.  The stuff about the log files is good because it was fixed in 2 hours.
[10:00] <flint> HedgeMage, I would like that very much.  How do I do this?
[10:00] <ogra>  /msg nickserv help
[10:01] <flint> ogra, yea, i am all over that... :^)
[10:01] <HedgeMage> flint: I'll drop it for you, then follow the instructions at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup to register and set it up :)
[10:02] <HedgeMage> (the link I pasted also shows you how to do an email, alt nick, linking, all the stuff you need to be able to GCF channels, get cloaks, get a pw reset, and so on)
[10:03] <flint> HedgeMage, thank you very much, I promise to use this nickname well and gain it great infamy... :^)
[10:04] <HedgeMage> (The drop will take a few minutes, apparently we're backed up right now)
[10:04] <HedgeMage> flint: hehe :)
[10:08] <HedgeMage> wb
[10:08] <flint> HedgeMage, sorry I crashed.  could you set the current password for flint to banana for me?
[10:09] <HedgeMage> flint: once it goes through, it will be deleted entirely and you will need to register from scratch
[10:09] <flint> we refer to this marvelously insecure activity as "banana-ing" the password... 
[10:10] <ogra> lol
[10:10] <flint> HedgeMage, this is problematic since anyone else could grab it... however, I am compounding the double entendre here ...
[10:10] <flint> lol
[10:11] <HedgeMage> no, they can't.  You can only register a name if you are currently using it... you're using it, so you're safe.
[10:12] <flint> HedgeMage, http://flickr.com/photos/37996590527@N01/81207224/ excellent!
[10:13] <flint> at this point it keeps saying the password is incorrect.  I will stay with this until it allows me to reset the password... eh?
[10:13] <HedgeMage> just be patient, I'll tell you when it's dropped. :P
[10:14] <HedgeMage> There, now it's dropped
[10:14] <HedgeMage> type "/msg nickserv register <password>" to register it
[10:15] <HedgeMage> then follow the rest of the instructions at the link I sent you so that you are eligible for cloaks, pw resets, and so on.
[10:23] <HedgeMage> got all that, flint ?
[10:24] <HedgeMage> I'm out of here for a bit, /msg me if you need anything
[10:28] <flint> HedgeMage, thanks I think I have it pretty well screwed up...
[11:03] <HedgeMage> flint: it looks like you are registered and IDed, what is the problem?  (/msg me if you prefer)
[11:24] <HedgeMage> flint: let me know if you need help