[12:03] <robotgeek> Tonio_: it's only 3 months old, i think it will take some time for "maturity"
[12:10] <Tonio_> robotgeek: doesn't work for me
[12:10] <Tonio_> robotgeek: can I paste you the output ?
[12:10] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I would like to to have a look at that........
[12:10] <robotgeek> Tonio_: sure
[12:11] <Tonio_> I don't understand, really
[12:11] <Tonio_> robotgeek: http://pastebin.com/602615
[12:11] <Tonio_> scanning doesn't work
[12:12] <Tonio_> I simply instal networkmanager, and everything is perfect.........
[12:12] <Tonio_> sounds stupid, but that is........
[12:13] <robotgeek> Tonio_: really weird, i should say. 
[12:14] <Tonio_> robotgeek: http://pastebin.com/602620
[12:14] <Tonio_> is that what you where talking about ?
[12:14] <Tonio_> networkmanager seems to be waiting a bit
[12:15] <robotgeek> Tonio_: yes. network manager waits to initialise
[12:15] <Tonio_> robotgeek: isn't there a way to get that working without network-manager ?
[12:15] <robotgeek> Tonio_: you may want to run that script and have tail -f /var/log/syslog in another konsole
[12:15] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i am not running network-manager either
[12:16] <Tonio_> robotgeek: okay
[12:16] <Tonio_> the problem is that once networkmanager worked on the computer, I have to restart to recreate the issue
[12:16] <robotgeek> Tonio_: yes, nm caused me more trouble than good, actually :)
[12:18] <Tonio_> robotgeek: rebooting once more to get the issue
[12:23] <Tonio_> robotgeek: now working with your script
[12:23] <Tonio_> sounds strange..........
[12:24] <Lure> Tonio_, allee: just published https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave
[12:24] <Lure> please have a look if you have time
[12:25] <Lure> mbiebl will send e-mail to kubuntu-devel and I will include his point in wiki
[12:25] <Tonio_> Lure: I totally agree :)
[12:29] <Tonio_> robotgeek: in fact the issue is really simple to correct........
[12:29] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_ , glad it works
[12:29] <robotgeek> what did you do to make it work ootb?
[12:30] <Tonio_> only ifconfig downup eth1 and that's it
[12:30] <robotgeek> hmm, i wonder what the does
[12:30] <Tonio_> robotgeek: no idea........
[12:30] <Tonio_> I had an issue like this with my webcam
[12:31] <Tonio_> I had to make a simple script that was unloading and reloading the driver during boot to make it work
[12:31] <allee> Lure: I've had no change to test (k)powersave, but IMHO cpu freq scaling should be always on.  After I unplug/plug power, state was back to 'Performance' and not 'dynamic' as I had choosen explicitely before the unplug
[12:31] <Tonio_> robotgeek: but honnestly, this driver is a pain to configure
[12:32] <robotgeek> Tonio_: give it some time, it has been out for 2-3 months?
[12:32] <Tonio_> robotgeek: ndiswrapper was making the job way easier
[12:32] <Tonio_> robotgeek: yes, and what about the firmware ?
[12:32] <allee> Lure: so 2 little buglets ;)
[12:32] <Tonio_> any chance it is implemented soon ?
[12:32] <robotgeek> Tonio_: ndiswrapper doesn't work for me, i am on ppc
[12:32] <Tonio_> robotgeek: ah ;)
[12:32] <Tonio_> robotgeek: so about the firware ? do we have to extract it for legal reasons ?
[12:33] <allee> Lure: add: Cons: needs more testing / feedback to the sure it's ready for dapper
[12:33] <Lure> allee: this is default config setting - when AC is detected it switches to Perfromance
[12:33] <Lure> allee: will do...
[12:33] <robotgeek> Tonio_: yes, it is illegal to distribute, but i think we can host it in France, like the rest :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> robotgeek: okay :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> robotgeek: we have to wait for a compatible one so ;)
[12:34] <allee> Lure: right, I only expected what when I switch to dynamic during pluged-in-power at is stays this way after unplug/plug
[12:34] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i am not sure if firwares are different for different cards
[12:34] <allee> Lure: maybe my expectation is wrong?
[12:34] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I will never understand this.......... why forbidding the distribution for a driver when the hardware is bought ? money already earne, so what the fucking problem is ?
[12:35] <Lure> allee: see /etc/powersave/common
[12:35] <Tonio_> s/earne/earned
[12:35] <robotgeek> Tonio_: everyone scared of Apple's lawyers :)
[12:35] <Lure> allee: we probably need to talk with upstream - I will add a section for open questions/issues
[12:35] <robotgeek> Tonio_: gotta run, be back later
[12:36] <Lure> allee: I think issue is that SuSE does such config through Yast (see that file)
[12:36] <Tonio_> robotgeek: http://broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=4401-Linux
[12:36] <Tonio_> it appears they have gnu/gpl drivers...........
[12:37] <Tonio_> I don't understand anything............
[12:37] <Lure> maybe we need to write kde-guidance applet for that ;-)
[12:41] <allee> Lure: Such a section is a good idea.  I changed back to 'performance' but set cpufreq scaling to dynamic.  Seem to work now.  Freq still at min of 600 MHz
[12:47] <allee> Lure: page mention cpufreq monitor. Where is it?
[12:47] <Lure> allee: just click on icon (left click)
[12:47] <allee> Lure: AH, found it.  LMB click
[12:47] <allee> :)
[12:48] <Lure> allee: what you will probably see is CPU freq changing quite a lot 
[12:48] <Lure> I suspect this is why linux battery life is cca 50% less that WinXP
[12:48] <Lure> (+noatime, latop-mode...)
[12:49] <allee> kpowersave: pros: s/better kdeapplet (/more features: /
[12:49] <Lure> allee: just edit wiki and add
[12:49] <allee> add * cleaner UI
[12:49] <allee> Lure: okay, I didn't want to interfere with you.  editing now ...
[12:50] <Lure> allee: I have to go for sleep anyhow - will have busy day tommorow at work...
[12:50] <allee> Lure: sleep well.
[12:50] <allee> Lure: ah, and really great page btw ;)
[12:51] <Lure> allee: thanks and good night
[12:53] <Tonio_> robotgeek: finally making a 2 lines scripts in rcS.d, working perfectly :)
[12:53] <Tonio_> thanks for your help
[12:54] <Tonio_> I will probably contact upstream to report the bug
[01:31] <Parkotron> I'd like to propose a new cursor theme for Kubuntu. Where is the appropriate place to do so?
[01:39] <Riddell> Parkotron: here
[01:40] <Parkotron> Excellent.
[01:41] <Parkotron> I think Pinux's Tux cursors (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19506&PHPSESSID=75096eaee4a17aad6c5dfc11d786be3e) are very slick, clean, usable, and match the general Kubuntu look very well.
[01:42] <Parkotron> If desired a Kubuntu version could be whipped up very easily. Heck, even I could do it.
[01:45] <Parkotron> The source is SVG so supporting different sizes is easy. I've seen a few complaints about Kubuntu Human being too small a high resolutions.
[01:48] <Riddell> hmm, I'm not convinced
[01:48] <Riddell> it seems a bit amateurish
[01:49] <Riddell> kwwii is our artwork man, maybe he can offer a better opinion :)
[01:53] <Parkotron> I'm not entirely set on these cursors, but I feel that the current default is way to grumpy and Gnomish. It works on Ubuntu, but I think Kubuntu needs something friendlier.
[01:54] <Parkotron> Anyway, thanks for your consideration.
[01:57] <Riddell> Parkotron: poke kwwii tomorrow, he might have more constructive comments
[01:59] <Parkotron> Riddell: Will do, thanks. When's the best time to find him around?
[02:01] <Riddell> Parkotron: anytime he's not asleep
[02:01] <Riddell> he's on UTC+1
[08:29] <robotgeek> okay, need some guidance here. http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/quickguide-web/C/ has screenshots. the screenshots theme is different from the [current]  default kubuntu one. How different will the kde theme be from what is current now 
[08:34] <mornfall> the screenshot of adept is out of date :-)
[08:36] <mornfall> robotgeek: in theory, 9th was UI freeze, so nothing should change from that point
[08:36] <mornfall> robotgeek: but in the slewed variant, it was extended till mid-april
[08:37] <robotgeek> mornfall: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-March/005520.html
[08:38] <mornfall> robotgeek: there is a 2 week window between UI freeze and Doc freeze
[08:38] <robotgeek> mornfall: yes, that it if it is approved. otherwise we have 10 days
[08:38] <mornfall> robotgeek: in either case -- the problem is that apparently noone knows *when* the freezes started to be effective
[08:39] <robotgeek> plus, the doc team has not made any recommendation on freezes, i am just trying to guage how much work will that tkae
[08:39] <mornfall> robotgeek: which means the freeze is inefficient and the process borked -- i would count on the extended one
[08:39] <mornfall> robotgeek: in case the freeze is not extended, it's not your fault that noone knew if the freeze is in effect or no
[08:39] <robotgeek> mornfall: i wouldn't have thought of joining both the documents unless it's extended
[08:40] <robotgeek> mornfall: no, the desktop guide is complete as such. 
[08:40] <mornfall> robotgeek: if there are no screenshots and no UI changes, probably
[08:40] <mornfall> since UI is maybe frozen and maybe not, it may actually change a fair bit ;-)
[08:41] <robotgeek> mornfall: the Desktop Guide cleverly avoided all screenshots 
[08:41] <robotgeek> lets see, what discussion happens on the mailing list. 
[08:42] <mornfall> b0rk b0rk, people need to learn to respect freezes
[08:42] <robotgeek> i just wanted information on if the UI would change further majorly. cause we don't want to chase a moving target 
[08:42] <mornfall> robotgeek: that's what i wanted to answer -- but since noone knows it is frozen, it's potentially moving target yes
[08:43] <mornfall> +if
[08:43] <robotgeek> okay...
[08:44] <mornfall> robotgeek: when you have some statement on the effect of UI freeze, i think you are safe
[08:44] <robotgeek> yup
[08:45] <robotgeek> weird...ui freeze depends on dapper delay approval depends on doc status depends on ui freeze
[08:46] <mornfall> robotgeek: right, that's because (k)ubuntu teams are lacking in the scheduling department ;-)
[08:47] <robotgeek> mathematically,  we need to fix one parameter atleast :)
[08:48] <mornfall> the problem is that you shouldn't discuss moving freeze while the freeze should be in effect
[08:48] <mornfall> not unless your team is "small enough"
[08:49] <mornfall> (in which case it can just meet and make up a new schedule in an hour and everyone acknowledges)
[08:49] <robotgeek> true, it is complicated
[08:50] <mornfall> i would say it is far too late
[08:50] <mornfall> it's like realizing that you won't finish in time two days after deadline
[08:50] <mornfall> "oops"
[08:52] <seaLne> is it possible to use rsync with cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[08:52] <robotgeek> anyways, i am heading to bed
[09:09] <Hobbsee> hey all
[09:10] <freeflying> hi Hobbsee 
[09:12] <seaLne> walking isn't that bad :)
[09:12] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[09:12] <Hobbsee> from there it is!
[09:12] <viviersf> k right
[09:13] <viviersf> i know this aint a help #
[09:13] <viviersf> but i need info now
[09:13] <viviersf> some idiot deleted a bunch of partitions
[09:13] <viviersf> it possible to undelete em ?
[09:13] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[09:13] <seaLne> maybe if they haven't been changed
[09:13] <Hobbsee> there are certain drive recovery programs, so i suspect so, somehow...
[09:13] <seaLne> have you looked at testdisk? it will restore deleted but unchanged partitions
[09:14] <seaLne> how were they deleted?
[09:14] <viviersf> seaLne, they used windows fdist just do delete the partitions
[09:14] <seaLne> so all they did was fdisk changed stuff?
[09:15] <seaLne> if so thats easy enough to undo
[09:20] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: I attended the first 15 minutes..
[09:20] <Hobbsee> yeah i saw...
[09:20] <Hobbsee> well, am seeing
[09:20] <ubijtsa2> was okay, but noisier than the 9am on
[09:20] <ubijtsa2> +e
[09:20] <Hobbsee> just up to the start of the first meeting now
[09:20] <ubijtsa2> hehe
[09:21] <ubijtsa2> I still think my idea of distinguishing Dapper is alright...
[09:21] <ubijtsa2> "Ubuntu 6-04, Vulcan Edition", "Because it lives longer and prospers"
[09:21] <Ubugtu> ubuntu bug 6 in gdb "gdb package contains non-free GNU FDL documentation" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6
[09:22] <ubijtsa2> perhaps a bit too geeky for some admittedly
[09:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:25] <ubijtsa2> I also thought of "Longlife Edition" (think batteries)
[09:25] <viviersf> seaLne, building a bootcd quick
[09:25] <viviersf> seaLne, will test it ( Hope it works )
[09:25] <viviersf> seaLne, if i knew where the old parts where i could just use fdisk to do it 
[09:27] <seaLne> testdisk is not that userfriendly but very effective
[09:30] <Hobbsee> raphink: ping
[09:30] <raphink> Hobbsee: pong
[09:31] <Hobbsee> raphink: again, congratulations :P
[09:31] <raphink> hehe :)
[09:31] <viviersf> seaLne, one i get it booted i will ask you how to use it
[09:46] <viviersf> seaLne, !!!!!!!!!!!
[09:47] <viviersf> seaLne, OMFW
[09:47] <viviersf> testdisk is a l33tn3s
[09:57] <seaLne> heh
[09:57] <seaLne> so it recovered it fine?
[10:12] <AgarFu> hi
[10:16] <raphink> hmmpf
[10:16] <raphink> powersaved segfaults :(
[10:41] <Lure> raphink: yes? on what?
[10:41] <raphink> ppc
[10:42] <raphink>  $ sudo powersaved
[10:42] <raphink> Password:
[10:42] <raphink> Segmentation fault
[10:42] <raphink> nothing more
[10:42] <raphink> no log, nothing
[10:42] <Lure> interesting - maybe we should ask on powersaved mailing list about PPC support (
[10:42] <Lure> I have not looked into anything else then i386
[10:42] <raphink> Lure: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/powersave/+bug/35006
[10:42] <Ubugtu> malone bug 35006 in powersave "powesaved segfaults" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[10:43] <Lure> raphink: which version of powersave? from mbiebl or from universe?
[10:43] <raphink> ii  powersaved                             0.11.2-1                               power management daemon
[10:44] <raphink> (from universe)
[10:44] <Lure> this is old one... Can you try building your own from mbiebl sources?
[10:44] <Lure> see KubuntuPowersave in wiki for link to his announcement
[10:45] <raphink> sure
[10:49] <freeflying> raphink: r u using kubntu on your pbook ?
[10:49] <raphink> yes
[10:50] <Lure> raphink: have sent inquiry to powersave-devel (with kubuntu-devel Cc) about PPC/amd64 support
[10:50] <freeflying> raphink: after suspend-to-ram ,can sound works ?
[10:50] <raphink> ok
[10:50] <raphink> freeflying:  Idon't know, havent gone deeply into that yet
[10:51] <raphink> is suspend-to-ram the default mode?
[10:51] <raphink> when I close the comp, does it go to suspend to ram ?
[10:51] <freeflying> raphink: y
[10:51] <raphink> then yes
[10:51] <raphink> I just have to switch the sound back to the right volume
[10:51] <raphink> the sound gets switch to 0 when it suspends
[10:51] <raphink> but it still works
[10:53] <freeflying> raphink: ya , is it a bug 
[10:53] <raphink> it doesn't seem to be
[10:53] <raphink> unless we suppose the volume is supposed to be turned back to its previous value when waking up
[10:54] <raphink> switching it to 0 seems actually like a feature
[10:54] <freeflying> raphink: but we'd unmute sound after uncover the screen from s-t-r
[10:54] <raphink> yes
[10:54] <raphink> then you can consider this is a bug ;)
[10:54] <freeflying> raphink:  :)
[10:58] <viviersf> seaLne, yes i recovered it fine
[11:00] <seaLne> cool
[11:00] <sebas> Does the 6-week delay make it possible to have 3.5.2 in Dapper?
[11:02] <raphink> well 3.5.2 should be out soon
[11:06] <sebas> It's about a week, but still UVF and stuff.
[11:10] <raphink> yes
[11:14] <verwilst> hm, the new color scheme is a bit too high-contrast :$
[11:23] <Huahua> hello Riddell    
[11:23] <Huahua> may it write a kcontrol module in python
[11:23] <Riddell> hello Huahua 
[11:23] <Riddell> Huahua: if you wish, see kde-guidance for how it's done
[11:24] <Huahua> Riddell: thanks you
[11:36] <Hobbsee> evening Riddell 
[11:43] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[11:47] <verwilst> Riddell, there is a typo in the koffice 1.5beta2 links
[11:47] <verwilst> for dapper
[11:48] <verwilst> it says koffice15beta2
[11:48] <verwilst> while it's koffice-15beta2
[11:48] <verwilst> ;)
[11:53] <Riddell> verwilst: thanks, fixed
[11:54] <verwilst> :)
[11:54] <verwilst> it still doesn't install
[11:54] <verwilst> something about libruby1.8
[11:54] <verwilst> but hey, at least the apt-get update will work now ;)
[11:54] <Riddell> verwilst: what's the problem?
[11:55] <verwilst> package libruby1.8 is not available, but is referenced by another package blablabla 
[11:55] <verwilst> :)
[11:55] <verwilst> could be a local issue though
[11:56] <verwilst> haven't checked it out very thouroughly yet
[11:58] <verwilst> well, i'm off, going to buy a new cellphone ;)
[11:59] <Lure> verwilst: I heard that amarok 1.4 requires ruby (for lyrics module)
[12:07] <Riddell> verwilst: libruby1.8 is in breezy main, make sure you have breezy main in your sources.list
[12:34] <Lure> raphink: powersave should work with PPC (have forwarded e-mail to you)
[12:39] <_Sime> Huahua: There are even docs about how to write kcontrol modules. http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/index.html
[12:42] <raphink> Lure: hmmm
[12:42] <raphink> Lure: actually right now I can't even build the new version 
[12:42] <Lure> due to libsysfs.la?
[12:42] <raphink> Lure: yep
[12:43] <raphink> since it was removed 
[12:43] <raphink> do you have a solution for that?
[12:43] <Lure> know issue - I would just looking how to get this back
[12:43] <Lure> on some platforms they have this in libsysfs-dev package
[12:43] <freeflying> _Sime: Huahua is not online now 
[12:44] <raphink> yes I know
[12:44] <raphink> but pitti removed libsysfs.la from libsysfs-dev
[12:44] <raphink> to fix a debian bug
[12:44] <raphink> he said this was confusing libtools
[12:44] <raphink> :s
[12:45] <Lure> mbiebl said that that debian already addressed this, but I cannot find where...
[12:45] <raphink> addressed what?
[12:45] <Lure> debian had same problem initially: missing libsysfs.la
[12:46] <seaLne> Riddell: k3b 0.12.14 fixes bug #31578 i've packaged it if thats any use http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/k3b/
[12:46] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31578 in k3b "K3B bails out due to a growisofs issue" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31578
[12:46] <raphink> let's see
[12:47] <Lure> raphink: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-March/000923.html
[12:47] <Lure> raphink: and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-March/000930.html
[12:47] <raphink> seaLne: seems like a good reason for a UVFe
[12:48] <raphink> seaLne: did you test it?
[12:59] <Riddell> seaLne: have you confirmed that it fixes that problem?
[01:18] <Mez> Riddell: why doesnt the UK class as bein part of Europe in your books/
[01:20] <Riddell> because we have the servers in England
[01:37] <Lathiat> umm
[01:37] <Lathiat> am I the only one that preferred the last iteration of kubuntu artwork?
[01:37] <Lathiat> the white login/splash before this one
[01:37] <Lathiat> also the usplash is a bit dodge :\
[01:53] <Lathiat> ooh gtk now gets a decent theme
[01:53] <Lathiat> by default on kubuntu
[01:53] <Lathiat> yay :)
[01:55] <Riddell> Lathiat: what's that?
[01:55] <Lathiat> Riddell: gtk applications have a decent theme
[01:56] <Lathiat> Riddell: before they used to look like crap with the default gtk stuff
[01:56] <Riddell> what theme?
[01:56] <Lathiat> dunno
[01:56] <Lathiat> but it looks liek the kde theme
[01:56] <Lathiat> might be gtk-qt ?
[01:56] <Lathiat> yeh tahts what it is, sine its installed
[01:56] <Riddell> groovy, that'll be tonio's fix working to run that as default
[01:57] <Lathiat> # This file was written by KDE
[01:57] <Lathiat> # You can edit it in the KDE control center, under "GTK Styles and Fonts"
[01:57] <Lathiat> include "/usr/share/themes/Qt/gtk-2.0/gtkrc"
[01:57] <Lathiat> in my ~?.gtkrc-2.0
[01:57] <Lathiat> dont remember setting it tho
[01:57] <Riddell> startkde does it for you now
[01:57] <Lathiat> ah
[01:58] <Lathiat> will it overwrite it if it already exists?
[01:58] <Lathiat> ah yeh
[01:58] <Lathiat> i ee
[01:58] <Lathiat> thats cool
[01:59] <Lathiat> Riddell: the artwork.. the kubuntu splash looks somewhat distorted ?
[01:59] <jjesse> Riddell: did you get matthew easts eamil about kubuntu docs and the build process?
[01:59] <Riddell> Lathiat: I know, it's evil, usplash is at 400 high now but on most monitors that gets stretched to a multiple of 480
[02:00] <Mez> Lathiat, it did for me until I switched my screen res ;)
[02:00] <Riddell> it looks nice on powerpc
[02:00] <Lathiat> Riddell: ah
[02:00] <Lathiat> heh
[02:00] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, it's on my todo list for today
[02:00] <Mez> oh - usplash ?
[02:00] <Mez> looks fine to me 
[02:00] <Lathiat> also i personally preferred the previous kdm splash 
[02:00] <Mez> but thats cause I'm on widescreen
[02:00] <Lathiat> muchly
[02:01] <jjesse> Riddell: how do you keep track of all the things you have to do :)
[02:01] <Lathiat> but thats just me :)
[02:01] <Riddell> jjesse: mostly I wait until people remind me about them :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:02] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: barbeque?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: we could barbeque Riddell, yes
[02:02] <jjesse> mmm chicken?
[02:02] <Riddell> eek!
[02:03] <Tm_T> but first, we allgo to sauna, right?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:03] <jjesse> i'm game for it :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> would you be any good to be barbecued Riddell?  or are you one of those people that are far too thin to be barbecued, unless people like eating bone?
[02:03] <jjesse> i hope theres plenty of meat
[02:04] <Tm_T> fat atleast
[02:04] <Tm_T> ;(
[02:04] <Riddell> having been sitting infront of a computer working on kubuntu for over a year I'm no longer very thin
[02:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: as I said ;)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:04] <Mez> Riddell, last time I saw you you were still quite thin
[02:04] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[02:05] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: skim still starts up as default for non-CKJ locales, even with your patch
[02:05] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: from fresh install ?
[02:05] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah, i couldn't burn dvds before but i can now
[02:05] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: yes, on the live CD
[02:05] <Riddell> seaLne: excellent, thanks, I'll ask for an upstream version freeze exception
[02:06] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: ok, I'll check it tomorrow 
[02:53] <nlindblad> started my computer after last night's upgrade to Dapper
[02:54] <jjesse> the new color scheme is starting to grow on me i like, it seems bolder
[02:58] <nlindblad> hi freeflying 
[02:58] <freeflying> nlindblad: hi
[03:26] <nlindblad> the upgrade seems to have removed amaroK and Katapult
[03:30] <superstoned> riddell: wanna join the crowd saying the new artwork is cool ;-)
[03:30] <superstoned> its a bit more pronounced
[03:30] <superstoned> nice job
[03:31] <superstoned> btw with the 6 week delay, will kde 3.5.2 get in? maybe koffice 1.5? amarok 1.4?
[03:32] <jjesse> superstoned: i think _Tonio mentioned in the meeting yetserday that would happen
[03:32] <superstoned> jjesse: that's cool, really cool... :D
[03:36] <Riddell> "pronounced".  nice word :)
[03:37] <Riddell> superstoned: 3.5.2 probably, no idea about koffice or amarok
[03:38] <Riddell> seaLne: k3b uploaded
[04:16] <jjesse> a question about bug 32791 (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/32791) bug reported says that it was a problem due to his setup of XGL, can the bug be closed?
[04:21] <Riddell> hmm, XGL and amarok beta
[04:21] <Riddell> so hardly a priority
[04:21] <Riddell> but well, it is a bug
[04:22] <jjesse> btw kudos to the launchpad team i like the changes they made to display bugs it looks a lot better
[04:22] <Riddell> which changes?
[04:23] <jjesse> when i look at bugs assinged to kubuntu team, the list appears differently
[04:23] <jjesse> looks cleaner and easier to navigate
[04:25] <Riddell> oh yes, they got rid of the left hand column stuff
[04:25] <Riddell> +subscribedbugs is more reliable than +assigned bugs :)
[04:28] <Lure> jjesse: yes, major improvement, however I am missing sort by time (newest first)
[04:29] <Lure> This helped me have a daily overview of incoming bugs (much harder to do now)
[04:31] <Riddell> Lure: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+subscribedbugs?field.searchtext=&search=Search&orderby=-datecreated
[04:35] <Lure> Riddell: thank!!! just nicely hidden (are you reading malone code to get this ;-))
[04:36] <Riddell> it's the Sort By box at the top
[04:37] <Riddell> then click Search
[04:38] <Lure> that is new... from today?
[04:38] <Lure> or am I blind???
[04:42] <robotgeek> is flight 5 out yet? the link from cdimage.ubuntu.com works, but it was not released for kubuntu iirc
[04:43] <seaLne> robotgeek: it was today
[04:44] <robotgeek> seaLne: thanks
[04:44] <seaLne> mail this morning by Riddell to ubuntu-announce
[04:45] <apokryphos> see kubuntu.org
[04:45] <robotgeek> yeah, i checked yesterday, it wasn't there. it got in there today 
[04:45] <seaLne> nice looking cake :)
[04:46] <robotgeek> yup
[04:57] <seaLne> does anyone know what happens about packages that got into NEW before FF?
[04:58] <Riddell> seaLne: possibly still there, what do you have in mind?
[04:59] <seaLne> its depressing that every time i check back nothing has happened with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/dcfldd
[05:08] <Riddell> seaLne: could try asking kamion
[06:35] <nlindblad> the server died on me
[06:36] <Riddell> nlindblad: which?
[06:37] <nlindblad> my homeserver
[06:38] <Riddell> ah, good, not my fault then :)
[06:39] <nlindblad> :D
[06:39] <nlindblad> not good...
[06:40] <Riddell> not from your point of view, no
[06:40] <nlindblad> tried all spare hardware I have but nothing works
[06:41] <nlindblad> two powersupplies, two motherboards, two CPUs, four RAM sticks
[06:41] <nlindblad> tried all combinations but nothing works
[06:41] <jjesse> is it plugged in :P
[06:41] <nlindblad> of course :D
[06:56] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ping
[06:56] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hi
[06:56] <OculusAquilae> hi
[06:56] <OculusAquilae> is it known that guidance doesn't find nvidia-drivers?
[06:57] <Riddell> I'm not sure, _Sime should know
[06:57] <nlindblad> damn
[06:57] <nlindblad> I thought it was "just" bad RAM
[06:57] <nlindblad> might be: "The real time clock/CMOS is faulty.   Replace the CMOS if possible"
[06:57] <nlindblad> on TWO motherboards
[06:57] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: if not, I would have a fix for it
[06:59] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: talk to _Sime, he's the author, I'm sure he'd welcome any patches
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: ping
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> :)
[07:02] <robotgeek> DeBert: .away
[07:02] <robotgeek> sorry
[07:08] <Tonio_> hello ;)
[07:08] <OculusAquilae> hi Tonio_ 
[07:09] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_ , howdy
[07:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm working on skim, tu use a wrapper script in autostart that will launch scrim only if $LANG starts with zh
[07:09] <Tonio_> robotgeek: fine except the wireless doesn't want to work ;)
[07:09] <Tonio_> I can scan, but not connect
[07:10] <Tonio_> event with fixed IP, I can't ping anything
[07:10] <robotgeek> Tonio_: heh, on and off i see
[07:10] <Tonio_> but scanning works :)
[07:10] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I will make a script to unload that pre-alpha driver and use ndiswrapper instead
[07:10] <Tonio_> I can wait 6 month :)
[07:10] <robotgeek> Tonio_: yeah, lucky you
[07:10] <Tonio_> why lucky ?
[07:11] <Tonio_> ;)
[07:11] <Tonio_> lucky would be with a working driver ;)
[07:18] <nlindblad> when things screw up, they screw up bad
[07:24] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/patches/guidance-proprietary -- have a look at this (fixing a problem that nvidia drivers are not shown in kde-guidance; kubuntu)
[07:24] <mornfall> anyone can recommend a kde wifi applet?
[07:24] <mornfall> tried: kwifimanager, kwavecontrol and kwirelessmonitor
[07:24] <mornfall> not happy with any (but kwifimanager was probably closest)
[07:26] <robotgeek> mornfall: wireless kubuntu is bad. kwifi manager never worked for me
[07:26] <mornfall> i don't even have kubuntu, but people here seem to use wifi in kde :)
[07:27] <mornfall> i'll get dapper into a chroot later
[07:27] <jjesse> i hate kwifimanager :(
[07:27] <mornfall> it's sort of lame yes ;)
[07:27] <mornfall> but it at least works
[07:27] <robotgeek> mornfall: i just use a script to connect
[07:27] <jjesse> i can't connect to a wireless access point without a password
[07:27] <jjesse> :(
[07:27] <jjesse> like in coffee shops
[07:28] <mornfall> robotgeek: connect is not the problem, ifup eth1 works ;-)
[07:28] <jjesse> but works fine in winodws (dual boot laptop for work)
[07:28] <mornfall> robotgeek: just a monitor
[07:29] <superstoned> hey, btw, adept is sooo fast - compared to synaptic... really nice. just tried synaptic - dog slow.
[07:29] <mornfall> superstoned: really? O.o
[07:29] <mornfall> superstoned: last time i checked adept was slowish :p
[07:30] <mornfall> superstoned: but it may be that it's because i compile everything with -O0 -g
[07:30] <mornfall> anyhow, gotta run for a bit
[07:30] <mornfall> laters
[07:30] <robotgeek> mornfall: you should know about adept, right :)
[07:30] <superstoned> well, not here. its quickfilter is much faster compared to synaptic's flaky find function
[07:30] <superstoned> and adept also reads dpkg's package database much faster.
[07:41] <mornfall> superstoned: kewl :)
[07:48] <nlindblad> wtf, amaroK deleted my Pink Floyd
[07:48] <robotgeek> oh noes
[07:49] <nlindblad> peace restored to the galaxy
[07:51] <Lure> kwwii: positive improvements on look - I preffer thiner window titles (however I had to reduce font to 8pt)
[07:52] <Lure> kwwii: also ksplash is better (just two icons out of dialog): http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5527/ksplash0ax.png
[07:52] <Lure> kwwii: as you can see, I have wide screen and wide bubbles ;-)
[08:01] <kwwii> wow, sweet :-)
[08:04] <nlindblad> the Katapult shortcut is dead
[08:05] <Lure> nlindblad: since when? it works for me...
[08:05] <nlindblad> since I upgradet to Dapper last night
[08:05] <Tonio_> mornfall: I'm working on wlassistant actually
[08:06] <Tonio_> you can have a package to test in abot an hour
[08:06] <Tonio_> mornfall: it is the only one I know that "just works"
[08:06] <nlindblad> what's SKIM?
[08:07] <Tonio_> superstoned: agree with you, adept is faster than synaptic, but very long to start
[08:07] <robotgeek> Tonio_: awesome!
[08:07] <Tonio_> robotgeek: what ?
[08:08] <robotgeek> Tonio_: wlassistant
[08:08] <Tonio_> robotgeek: works for you ?
[08:08] <Tonio_> did you try to disconnect and reconnect several times ?
[08:08] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i hope so, i'll test the packages you make
[08:09] <robotgeek> i havent tried till now
[08:09] <Tonio_> this was a nasty bug that causes wlassistant not in breezy
[08:09] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I corrected a little bug, let me polish, and that should be fine ;)
[08:09] <robotgeek> Tonio_: wokay
[08:13] <Tonio_> robotgeek: technocally works, just "administrative work" needed on the package
[08:13] <Tonio_> do you want to test ?
[08:14] <robotgeek> Tonio_: do you ahve ppc build?
[08:14] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I have a source package ;)
[08:14] <Tonio_> you can build your own
[08:14] <robotgeek> Tonio_: okay, no problem
[08:14] <Lure> Tonio_: I can test too...
[08:15] <Tonio_> Lure: sure ;)
[08:17] <Tonio_> http://tiber.tauware.de/~tonio/
[08:17] <Tonio_> here it is
[08:17] <Tonio_> be sure to try disconnect and reconnecte several times
[08:17] <Tonio_> ;)
[08:17] <Tonio_> I can't test unfortunately
[08:18] <Lure> Tonio_: I have to even build it myself? ;-)
[08:18] <Tonio_> Lure: this is an i386 package
[08:18] <robotgeek> Tonio_: You don't have permission to access /~tonio/wlassistant_0.5.5-1.diff.gz on this server.
[08:18] <Lure> Tonio_: disconnect/reconet wil not work with WPA, right?
[08:18] <Tonio_> so if it is okay, just take the deb
[08:18] <Tonio_> Lure: no idea concerning wpa
[08:18] <mornfall> Tonio_: may be something with kdesu -- it often starts very long with kdesu for me
[08:19] <Tonio_> mornfall: yes, but what would you suggest ?
[08:19] <Lure> Tonio_: no .deb there.... or am I blind (would not be the first time today)
[08:19] <Tonio_> Lure: oups
[08:19] <mornfall> Tonio_: i mean, tried with sudo? if it goes noticeably faster that way, i'd blame kdesu
[08:19] <jjesse> i don't see the deb either so you are not blind Lure
[08:20] <mornfall> Tonio_: and if that's the case, i could try looking at it in kdesu
[08:20] <mornfall> afk
[08:20] <Tonio_> mornfall: yes is is faster with sudo
[08:20] <Lure> jjesse: thank you ;-)
[08:20] <Tonio_> cause sudo doesn't require to load the root profile
[08:20] <Tonio_> but how to provide a sudo password graphically ? ;) that's the question
[08:20] <robotgeek> Tonio_: not able to download with anything
[08:21] <Tonio_> mornfall: unless it is an internal mecanisme, I don't know any other solution
[08:21] <Tonio_> robotgeek: ah ?
[08:21] <robotgeek> wget http://tiber.tauware.de/~tonio/wlassistant_0.5.5-1.diff.gz HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[08:21] <Tonio_> robotgeek: should be okay now, sorry ;)
[08:22] <Tonio_> I'm uploading the deb
[08:24] <Tonio_> robotgeek: is it okay ?
[08:24] <robotgeek> Tonio_: yes, building now
[08:24] <Tonio_> Lure: finishing the build and sending uploading the deb
[08:25] <jjesse> will it actually work instead of kwifipieceofcrapmanager?
[08:25] <Tonio_> jjesse: in any case, knetworkmanager will not go in dapper
[08:25] <Tonio_> wlassistant could, but nothing is sure ;)
[08:26] <sebas> Why won't knetworkmanager?
[08:26] <Tonio_> sebas: because it requires the latest networkmanager to go
[08:26] <Riddell> sebas: needs a new version of network-manager
[08:26] <sebas> Ah ok.
[08:26] <Tonio_> which means upgrading the actual networkmanager in main
[08:27] <sebas> Yeah, got that.
[08:27] <Tonio_> and canonical will certainly not do that for knetworkmanager only, because it is untested, not mature, not bugfree etc.....
[08:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: the dhclient problem of networkmanager seems to be gone ;)
[08:28] <Tonio_> sounds a good news
[08:28] <Tonio_> Lure: you can download the deb
[08:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/networkmanager/wlassistant
[08:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I was so fast that I got such warnings
[08:28] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[08:28] <Lure> tar: ./postinst: time stamp 2006-03-15 20:28:50 is 44 s in the future
[08:28] <Lure> ;-)
[08:28] <allee> Tonio_: pong!
[08:29] <Tonio_> allee: I'm polishing your wlassistant package, upgrading to dehhelper5 etc....
[08:29] <Tonio_> no pb for you ?
[08:30] <Tonio_> need to rewrite the changelog to only one entry too
[08:30] <allee> Tonio_: of course not!  but it would not hurt if you prepare yourself to check these changes later into alioth svn ;)
[08:30] <Tonio_> allee: hehe, yes, I promissed and didn't perfomed the job ;)
[08:30] <Tonio_> allee: got lots of work actually, not easy to be everywhere in the same time
[08:31] <allee> Tonio_: IMHO  this one changelog entry is nonsense.  A package has a history, outside the official archives.  So it should stay
[08:31] <Tonio_> sorry ^^
[08:31] <Tonio_> allee: a NEW package in ubuntu has only ONE changelog entry
[08:31] <Tonio_> allee: it has always been like that
[08:32] <Tonio_> the entry is grouping the full changelog of course
[08:32] <robotgeek> Tonio_: well, it crashed :P
[08:32] <Tonio_> robotgeek: hurg
[08:32] <Tonio_> robotgeek: what message did you get ?
[08:32] <jjesse> Tonio_: seems to work for me, installed from the .deb
[08:32] <allee> Tonio_: check kisdnwatch as a counter example
[08:32] <jjesse> i'm heading out tonight to a coffee shop so i'll know for sure if it works correctly
[08:32] <Tonio_> allee: hum.......
[08:33] <robotgeek> Tonio_: trying to reproduce 
[08:33] <robotgeek> Tonio_: okay, it connected successfully this time, on the broadcom card. good job!
[08:33] <Tonio_> allee: I don't know how debian manages this
[08:33] <jjesse> it enabled/turned on my card which was nice
[08:34] <Tonio_> allee: but all I know is that that's the way motu do ;)
[08:34] <allee> Tonio_: when a pkg has a history outside, it has often a long changelog on first upload.
[08:34] <Tonio_> allee: if official debian/ubuntu have been released yes
[08:34] <allee> Tonio_: sone consider this  'Initail upload. closes ...' as only entry a rule.  I don't :)
[08:34] <Tonio_> allee: if it is a port of a debian package, yes
[08:35] <Tonio_> allee: if it is a ubuntu only NEW package, only one entry
[08:35] <allee> kisdnwatch was only maintained in my repo for year before the kubuntu upload
[08:35] <Tonio_> allee: do we want it to be validated on revu or not ?
[08:35] <Lure> Tonio_: disconnect works, but connect does not -> no WPA 
[08:35] <Tonio_> allee: with several entries, it will get NO :)
[08:35] <Tonio_> Lure: okay
[08:35] <Tonio_> Lure: testing with wep could be interesting :)
[08:35] <Lure> I will now try http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=144820
[08:36] <robotgeek> Tonio_: this is very nice, thank you :)
[08:36] <Lure> Tonio_: but I need to reconfigure my OpenWRT (not sure if know to login still ;-))
[08:36] <robotgeek> a systray icon would be great also, but i will manage with knemo for now
[08:36] <Tonio_> allee: I just want the package to be approved on revu, and I know what not to do ;)
[08:36] <Tonio_> robotgeek: what about disconnect and reconnect ?
[08:36] <Tonio_> does it work nicelly ?
[08:37] <allee> Tonio_: really?  That stupid.  but when it is like this trim down the changelog.  Mhmm, isn't wlassistant already in debian. checking ...
[08:37] <Tonio_> allee: please ask for change on motu meeting ;)
[08:38] <Tonio_> allee: I'm not telling you I agree, but I've been ask not to do that in the past, many, many times, so now, I'm doing like that also :)
[08:38] <Tonio_> allee: the feeling is "one entry in changelog = one uploaded package"
[08:39] <Tonio_> after initial update, of course we keep all history in it
[08:39] <Tonio_> allee: I do same for k-d-s, one entry per upload only
[08:40] <robotgeek> Tonio_: works well for me, thanks :)
[08:40] <Tonio_> robotgeek: perfect :)
[08:40] <allee> Tonio_: only differenc is that prefer to count upload to private repo too.  I'll discuss this with motus when time permits.
[08:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: read this ? seems that we can have a working tool that manages to connect to wireless networks ;)
[08:40] <Tonio_> allee: sure ;)
[08:41] <Tonio_> allee: anyway, I'm doing what I think is the best, then I show you the package and you decide ;) 
[08:41] <Tonio_> allee: but I don't want to waste time on revu to get the package approved before exception ask etc..... :)
[08:42] <allee> Tonio_: of course.  Go with the mininal changelog.  I can always try to merge the changelog back in later :)
[08:43] <Tonio_> allee: haha ;)
[08:43] <Tonio_> allee: I never said "minimal"
[08:43] <Tonio_> can be a hudge entry
[08:43] <Tonio_> but no historic in it
[08:44] <allee> Tonio_: absolutely fine with me
[08:44] <Tonio_> allee: can you beleive we may have a working wifi tool ;)
[08:44] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:45] <allee> Tonio_: yeah!!!
[08:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: honnestly, what are the chances for "main" and dependancy on kubuntu-desktop ??
[08:45] <allee> Tonio_: Only disadvantage we switched everywhere to WPA in the institute.  Hah
[08:46] <Tonio_> allee: argh........... too late....
[08:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm?
[08:46] <Riddell> wlassistant?
[08:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[08:47] <Tonio_> instead of kwifimanager, that doesn't work for at least one year ;)
[08:47] <Tonio_> I prefer to have a working tool in dapper than a crappy unusable one
[08:47] <robotgeek> Tonio_: only issue with it is that it seems to be displaying signal strenghts wrongly
[08:47] <jjesse> at kwifimanager is a crappy one :)
[08:47] <Tonio_> whenever it is not "officially kde"
[08:47] <Riddell> it's certainly possible
[08:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: what doesn't work about kwifimanager?
[08:48] <robotgeek> Riddell: everything
[08:48] <jjesse> everything
[08:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: no network option
[08:48] <sebas> I've never gotten kwifimanager to configure my network.
[08:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: means that once connected, you have to ifconfig, dhclient etc.... everything manually
[08:48] <Riddell> oh, I never tried it for configuring, that's never worked :)
[08:48] <Lure> Riddell: kwifimanager only benefit is sys tray icon - all the rest is crap
[08:48] <Riddell> that's why we have knetworkconf
[08:48] <jjesse> every time i go to a coffee shop with wireless i can't connect with kubuntu i've tried the various wiki pages to help out and have been unsucssful
[08:49] <Tonio_> I managed to connect with it, but finally it was more complicated than making full shell
[08:49] <Riddell> seem dapper will be delayed
[08:49] <Riddell> seems
[08:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: and the "autoconnect on start" option doesn't work
[08:49] <jjesse> wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiHowto and the various pages under that
[08:49] <Tonio_> now knetworkmanager seems to manage boot configuration with wifi
[08:49] <Riddell> my problem with wlanassistant is that it's wifi only
[08:49] <Tonio_> and wlassistant manages correctly the rest of the job ;)
[08:49] <Tonio_> that could be nice waiting for knetworkmanager
[08:50] <Riddell> but if it's the best for the job then we should be able to get it in
[08:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, for global config, we have kdenetwork no ?
[08:50] <Tonio_> wlassistant is here for "temporary connection"
[08:50] <robotgeek> Tonio_: about wlassistant: connecting-disconnecting works. i can't test other networks here. signal strengths are wrong. 
[08:50] <Riddell> hello OddAbe19 
[08:50] <Tonio_> robotgeek: yes signal strengh is not nicelly managed
[08:51] <Tonio_> I will have a look at that, should be hard to patch
[08:51] <robotgeek> Tonio_: atleast it connects, unlike kwifimanager :)
[08:51] <Riddell> what we want is something with a built in kismet client :)
[08:51] <Tonio_> robotgeek: exactly
[08:51] <robotgeek> and also tells you the networks, instead of the wacky "I'm scanning" danace kwifimanager does
[08:52] <Tm_T> help!
[08:52] <Tm_T> how I can run multiple kate
[08:52] <robotgeek> Tm_T: you are a developer, we can't help you. sorry
[08:52] <robotgeek> lol
[08:52] <Tm_T> doesn't seem to open another here anymore
[08:53] <jjesse> Tm_T: its a change thanks to Tonio_
[08:53] <Tm_T> ...
[08:53] <jjesse> make sure it starts with just kate as the command instead of whatever is currently in the button
[08:53] <Tm_T> jjesse: button? I use rundialog
[08:54] <jjesse> i edited the k menu link and it then runs fine for me
[08:54] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hehe :)
[08:54] <jjesse> sorry not very techincal on that end
[08:54] <Tm_T> ah! "/usr/bin/kate" helps
[08:54] <Tonio_> Tm_T: simply edit the launch command for kate and remove --use
[08:54] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yeah, have to
[08:54] <Tonio_> Tm_T: sorry if you don't like ;) it is hard to find settings that everyone loves :)
[08:55] <Tm_T> true
[08:55] <Tonio_> Tm_T: note that you now have tabs at bottom for konsole, kopete and konversation :)
[08:55] <Lure> Tonio_: thank you for that!
[08:55] <jjesse> bummer on tabs on the bottom for konsole :)
[08:55] <Tm_T> Tonio_: nothing changed here, I don't use defaults settings...
[08:56] <Tonio_> Tm_T: well, now you now it is by default ;)
[08:56] <Tm_T> Tonio_: you know, my install of Kubuntu is from rc1 of hoary =)
[08:56] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hehe, my install is last week, and I currently crash my profile every week
[08:56] <Tonio_> to force me using the default profile
[08:56] <Tm_T> =)
[08:56] <Tm_T> defaults would kill me
[08:56] <Tonio_> that's the only way to see clearly what misses configuration
[08:57] <Tm_T> ah, true
[08:57] <Tonio_> and because I decided "that's will my way to contribute"....... ^^
[08:57] <Tm_T> yup, it's damn important job, and you're doing good job :)
[08:58] <Tm_T> but, now, I need script... hmm hmm hmm
[08:58] <Tonio_> Tm_T: we'll see comments when dapper released ;)
[08:58] <Tm_T> hehe
[08:58] <Riddell> jjesse: where's this new docs package that mdke did?
[08:58] <Tm_T> "OMG WTF noooo my eyes, nooooooo!!!!" =)
[08:58] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I'm just doing the best I can, and *hope* that will answer to people awaitings ;)
[08:58] <robotgeek> Riddell: docs package?
[08:59] <Riddell> ah, found it 
[08:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay with my skim proposal ? making a wrapper script called by the autostart desktop entry
[08:59] <robotgeek> Riddell: okay :)
[08:59] <jjesse> Riddell: umm don't know for sure, i can look
[08:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: launching skim only when land is set to zn_*
[08:59] <Tonio_> s/land/lang
[09:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: as I understand it we should be able to turn autostart off and it'll start along with im-something
[09:00] <jjesse> Riddell: looks like you beet me to the punch
[09:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: but if I understand wrong then your proposal is the way
[09:00] <Riddell> jjesse: found it
[09:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? cool
[09:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I did the script, so let's keep in touch, and if needed, I'll implement it
[09:01] <Lure> Tonio_: freeflying was explaining something along the lines mentioned by Riddell ;-)
[09:02] <Tonio_> Lure: I must say I don't understand skim, what it does, etc...
[09:02] <Tonio_> ;)
[09:02] <robotgeek> i need to write about skim in Desktop Guide
[09:03] <sebas> Riddell: How do I find the guidance bugs in malone?
[09:03] <Lure> Tonio_: I am installing NM with script - it has installed more than 100 packages (-dev) and not done yet... ;-)
[09:03] <sebas> (If there are any *cough*)
[09:04] <_Sime> sebas: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bugs
[09:04] <Lure> I can understamd why Keybuk thinks 0.6 cannot go in for Dapper
[09:04] <sebas> _Sime: Thanks.
[09:05] <OculusAquilae> ah _Sime 
[09:06] <Tonio_> _Sime: congrats for systemsettings :)
[09:06] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: got my message?
[09:06] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: I thought you were Away.
[09:06] <Tonio_> _Sime: quite bugfree now ;)
[09:06] <_Sime> Tonio_: thanks, I assume it working better for you at least. ;-)
[09:06] <Riddell> sebas: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kde-guidance/+bugs
[09:06] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: yes, I saw that. cool
[09:06] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: question...
[09:06] <Riddell> ah, _Sime's URL is better
[09:07] <Tonio_> _Sime: there are still few issues, like certain modules missing, but that WAY more usable
[09:07] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: is it neccessary to check for two files under /usr/lib/xorg/ ?
[09:07] <_Sime> Tonio_: what is missing?
[09:07] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: I don't know, but debconf doesn't 
[09:08] <Tonio_> let me give you an example :
[09:08] <Tonio_> _Sime: compare "kde components" in systemsettings and kcontrol
[09:08] <Tonio_> I miss the "file associations" module for example
[09:08] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: I have a script (bash) getting all drivers from that folder
[09:08] <Lure> Tonio_: this is also why I still need kcontrol...
[09:08] <Tonio_> I miss the "session control" too
[09:09] <Tonio_> dunno if that's a bug or something expected, but that........... a pain to me ;)
[09:09] <_Sime> OculusAquilae:  I mean, checking   /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is probably enough for nVidia.
[09:09] <OculusAquilae> right
[09:09] <Tonio_> Lure: agree with you, I still need to use kcontrol because of that
[09:09] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: debconf doesn't do anything else
[09:10] <sebas> _Sime: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/26175
[09:10] <Ubugtu> malone bug 26175 in kde-guidance "Can't unlock session" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[09:10] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: here's what it does: http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/patches/xdrivers
[09:10] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: ok, you got the checks from debconf. cool.
[09:10] <sebas> Where does guidance come into the picture here?
[09:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's deliberate
[09:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can find file associations in konqueror
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, that's not a "konqueror" setting
[09:11] <sebas> Does userconfig change /etc/shadow's permissions?
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: it concerns the full kde environnement
[09:11] <_Sime> Ubugtu: fixed in coming  version
[09:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes it is
[09:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: the file manager is the logical place to handle them
[09:11] <Lure> sebas: not sure if still, but it did for me ;-)
[09:11] <Lure> sebas: it was very easy to reproduce
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum......... I never liked that in windows, I will not like that in kubuntu :) but we are in democraty :)
[09:12] <sebas> Ok, I'll close it.
[09:12] <Lure> Riddell: but what if I do not use Konqueror?
[09:13] <Lure> I am thinking of Krusader for file mgmt
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: and what about other modules missing, like the "grammar correction" or the session manager ?
[09:14] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: but I don't know if my patch also works with ati, but it should 
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: the global "theme manager" is missing also
[09:15] <robotgeek> Tonio_: that is present in kcontrol, right?
[09:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's a troublesome one
[09:15] <Tonio_> robotgeek: yes, and that's why I'm asking the reason it is not is the "apparence" section of systemsettings :)
[09:15] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: it needs testing either way. :)
[09:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's basicly an app in its own right
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum....... can be debated, but that's not false
[09:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: it would be OK if it didn't have the buttons to launch all the other modules included
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: agree on that point, that duplicates stuff
[09:16] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: right
[09:16] <Riddell> Lure: I'd expect krusader to offer a way to change file associations too
[09:17] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i could just add another entry for "How do i change my theme" in Desktop GUide
[09:17] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: ok, I've commited the fix to SVN. It'll be in the next release.
[09:18] <Tonio_> robotgeek: yes, nice  idea :)
[09:18] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: nice, I hope it gets its way into dapper, too
[09:19] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: it will be in dapper. ;-) don't worry.
[09:19] <OculusAquilae> nice :)
[09:19] <Lure> Riddell: I do not find it in krusader...
[09:20] <_Sime> sebas: yes, userconfig would change the owner of some system files. (It writes to a file and switches using 'mv').
[09:20] <sebas> Ah, fixed though?
[09:20] <sebas> I'm looking into the unicode issue in usernames.
[09:20] <sebas> Suggestions for a fix?
[09:20] <mornfall> any news on schedule?
[09:21] <sebas> I kinda feel bad creating directories with unicode characters in them.
[09:21] <mornfall> Riddell: any idea where i could get mvo's source? (possibly something else than bzr, eg source tarball or package o.o)
[09:21] <mornfall> Riddell: (language selector, dist upgrader)
[09:22] <_Sime> sebas: unicode  is fixed, but needs testing. that other problem is also fixed.
[09:22] <Lure> _Sime: any news on bug 32915?
[09:22] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32915 in kde-guidance "Display applet does not start" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32915
[09:23] <Tonio_> _Sime: any info concerning my problem (display writes at the end of existing xorg.conf file) ?
[09:23] <Tonio_> _Sime: I can confirm that on 2 machines at work, and my laptop also
[09:23] <_Sime> Lure: probably fixed. 
[09:24] <sebas> _Sime: I can now input my name. ;)
[09:24] <sebas> I'll play with it though and close the bug then.
[09:25] <_Sime> sebas: I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't find that bug earlier! ;->
[09:25] <Lure> _Sime: is test package / source available somewhere for quick check?
[09:25] <Lure> sebas: ;-)
[09:25] <_Sime> Tonio_: I've got you data and I'll be trying it out maybe tonight.
[09:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: no emergency ;)
[09:27] <sebas> _Sime: os.write(fd, u._getPasswdEntry().encode(locale.getpreferredencoding())) barfs on  unicode characters
[09:28] <sebas> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xfc' in position 32: ordinal not in range(128)
[09:28] <Riddell> mornfall: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/language-selector/
[09:28] <mornfall> Riddell: kde port is going to be part of same package?
[09:29] <Riddell> mornfall: oh, I don't think he's released anything of the qt port
[09:29] <Riddell> no idea how far he's got with that
[09:29] <mornfall> okey
[09:29] <_Sime> Lure: I might have a package for you tomorrow when I test on my dapper-mobile.
[09:29] <mornfall> i have the language-selector from archive
[09:30] <Riddell> mornfall: nothing in http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mvo/bzr/language-selector--mvo/
[09:30] <Lure> _Sime: great, just let me know
[09:30] <_Sime> sebas: you're running breezy? right?
[09:30] <sebas> _Sime: Nope, Dapper
[09:30] <Lure> mornfall: schedule proposal as discussed yesterday on TB: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed
[09:30] <mornfall> Lure: i know the proposal, just don't know the resolution about it
[09:31] <OculusAquilae> bye
[09:31] <mornfall> Riddell: the distupgrader thing? how is it called? haven't found anything using apt-cache
[09:31] <_Sime> sebas: do 'env'. what are you LANG and LANGUAGE vars?
[09:31] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm having the same problem
[09:31] <_Sime> sebas: my dapper uses en_US.UTF-8
[09:31] <mornfall> Riddell: ah
[09:32] <sebas> LANGUAGE=en_NL:en
[09:32] <sebas> LANG=C
[09:32] <_Sime> sebas: did you do anything to your language settings?
[09:32] <mornfall> Riddell: sort of lame -- but well, i will see what can be done
[09:32] <sebas> Dunno, this install is more than a year old :/
[09:32] <_Sime> sebas: dapper??!
[09:33] <_Sime> sebas: what was it originally?
[09:33] <sebas> Hoary :)
[09:34] <_Sime> sebas: since Breezy UTF-8 has been used as the system encoding...
[09:34] <_Sime> sebas: can you also test out nVidia dualhead and clone mode?
[09:34] <sebas> So we should keep it this way?
[09:34] <sebas> Yes.
[09:34] <_Sime> sebas: I'm not sure if clone mode is working there...
[09:34] <sebas> What do you need to know?
[09:35] <Riddell> mornfall: got it, update-manager - GNOME application that manages apt updates
[09:35] <mornfall> Riddell: hmh?
[09:36] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/backports/update-manager/
[09:36] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html
[09:37] <sebas> _Sime: http://pastebin.com/604134
[09:37] <sebas> Crashes on startup now
[09:38] <Riddell> mornfall: what are you thinking of doing?
[09:38] <mornfall> Riddell: running it and then looking at the source :)
[09:54] <Lure> Tonio_: NM 0.6 just works here - looks great!
[09:55] <Lure> Riddell: where can I get knetworkmanager?
[09:55] <robotgeek> Lure: is it possible for you to put the source packages somewhere?
[09:55] <Riddell> Lure: suse factory
[09:59] <Lure> robotgeek: I just used the script from forums (builds from cvs)
[09:59] <Lure> I just wanted to see if it works
[09:59] <Lure> and it does (on ipw2200 with dapper driver)
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm aware of that ;) but no chance for dapper, so I'll have a look later ;)
[09:59] <robotgeek> Lure: link
[10:01] <Lure> Tonio_: I know, I just wanted to try - back to good old wpasupplicant ;-)
[10:01] <Tonio_> Lure: I personnaly don't use WPA ;) I don't see the need in fact
[10:01] <Tonio_> wep is enough for my needs
[10:04] <Lure> robotgeek: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=144820
[10:04] <robotgeek> Lure: thanks
[10:09] <_Sime> sebas: what resolution are you running?
[10:09] <sebas> 2560x1024
[10:09] <sebas> It's a merged framebuffer
[10:10] <_Sime> and xrandr won't handle it... :-/
[10:13] <sebas> _Sime: It does, what do you need to know?
[10:14] <sebas> xrandr thinks it's one screen with a weird resolution, I can switch.
[10:14] <sebas> Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024, 1280x1024; 1280x1024, NULL; NULL, 1280x1024; 1024x1280, 1024x1280;  ...
[10:14] <sebas> xrandr would switch between these resolutions.
[10:15] <kwwii> what does the "full upgrade" button do in adept?
[10:16] <kwwii> ie...what is the difference between "fetch updates" and "full upgrade"?
[10:16] <mornfall> kwwii: mark things that dist-upgrade would do
[10:16] <_Sime> sebas: yeah, but it gets confused with one wierd screen and a dualhead card, I guess.
[10:16] <mornfall> kwwii: fetch update will get metadata
[10:16] <mornfall> updates*
[10:16] <kwwii> mornfall: ok, thanks
[10:16] <kwwii> it sounded like the "break my system" button
[10:17] <sebas> _Sime: hm
[10:19] <mornfall> kwwii :)
[10:19] <mornfall> kwwii: it is the break my system button if you add some sort of unstable archive to your sources
[10:19] <mornfall> kwwii: but you always have to apply changes before it takes effect
[10:20] <sebas> So it's a "prepare breaking my system button"
[10:20] <kwwii> erm...bye, bye system
[10:20] <sebas> mornfall: Add an undo ;)
[10:20] <kwwii> I asked the question after clicking the apply button :-)
[10:20] <kwwii> no worries
[10:21] <kwwii> better advice than "never mess with a running system" is "keep several running systems around"
[10:21] <nlindblad> why can't girls be as easy to understand as GNU/Linux?
[10:22] <sebas> nlindblad: It seems that the only problem is understanding *both* at the same time ;)
[10:22] <nlindblad> right
[10:22] <nlindblad> :D
[10:22] <nlindblad> nah, I'd choose GNU/Linux thne
[10:22] <nlindblad> *then
[10:26] <raphink> hhmppf
[10:26] <raphink> hi kwwii
[10:26] <raphink> kwwii: the ksplash is much better now :)
[10:26] <Tonio_> hello kwwii ;)
[10:26] <Tonio_> hello mr core-dev :)
[10:26] <raphink> kwwii: although the kde logo at the bottom of the square still goes out a bit
[10:26] <raphink> Tonio_: hehe :)
[10:26] <Tonio_> raphink: wlassistant fuckin' works :)
[10:27] <Riddell> raphink: got a screenshot?
[10:27] <raphink> Tonio_: I yet have to buy a wifi card
[10:27] <Riddell> raphink: what's your resolution?
[10:27] <raphink> Riddell: nope but I can make one
[10:27] <raphink> lemme see
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: Same problem here, 1280x1024, making you a screenshot
[10:27] <mornfall> sebas: there's no undo after apply
[10:28] <mornfall> sebas: packaging system feature (we have no transactions)
[10:28] <mornfall> sebas: i'd have to rewrite dpkg too (or use rpm)
[10:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: please do
[10:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/screen.png
[10:31] <nlindblad> what's the absolute worst thing a girl can do to you?
[10:31] <nlindblad> Tonio_: that's nice
[10:31] <Tonio_> nlindblad: speaking about informatics ? ^^
[10:31] <nlindblad> yeah
[10:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, thanks, I'll look into that
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb ;)
[10:34] <sebas> mornfall: I know, it was more of a joke though :P
[10:34] <robotgeek> raphink: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10305
[10:34] <sebas> But thanks for the explanation, and on a more serious note: Does rpm support those transactions?
[10:34] <mornfall> sebas: sad thing that rpm can do that (and apparently noone knows anyway)
[10:34] <sebas> Hm, it's really a neat thing.
[10:34] <sebas> How does that work then?
[10:35] <mornfall> well, it shouldn't be hard to implement
[10:35] <Lure> Riddell: can you also check mine: http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5527/ksplash0ax.pn
[10:35] <mornfall> too hard :)
[10:35] <nlindblad> can't somebody shoot me
[10:35] <mornfall> sebas: not sure really -- i didn't dissect rpm (yet?)
[10:35] <sebas> Ok :)
[10:35] <sebas> Are you using apt or dpkg directly in adept, btw?
[10:36] <sebas> (didn't dissect, yet :P)
[10:36] <mornfall> sebas: libapt-pkg through libapt-front
[10:36] <sebas> Ah ok
[10:37] <Lure> Riddell: correct link: http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8510/ksplash7fi.png
[10:38] <nlindblad> does anyone in here actually have a partner?
[10:38] <Riddell> Lure: now that's just silly
[10:38] <Lure> Riddell: I know... ;-)
[10:40] <Lure> trying to compile knetworkmanager - should run ./configure, but I only have configure.in.in
[10:40] <Lure> autoconf configure.in.in fails - what to do?
[10:41] <Riddell> Lure: make -f Makefile.cvs
[10:41] <Riddell> or  make -f admin/Make
[10:41] <Riddell> or  make -f admin/Makefile.common
[10:41] <Riddell> (ignore second one)
[10:43] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[10:44] <Riddell> Lure: when you get it all working, mind and make a wiki page describing how
[10:45] <Lure> will try to, but it is hectic due to NM...
[10:46] <Lure> KubuntuNetworkManager? ;-)
[10:50] <Riddell> that might get taken the wrong way by suse fans
[10:50] <Lure> just kidding - I will first just drop some notes on my wiki page, then I can move... ;-)
[10:54] <mornfall> we already have KubuntuPackageManager, KubuntuNetworkManager would only sound logical
[10:54] <mornfall> which reminds me i could maybe lend a hand in a potential network manager coding
[10:54] <mornfall> since i haven't found anything useful yet ;-)
[10:54] <mornfall> and i could actually use it now
[10:55] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[10:55] <allee> Tonio_: pong
[10:55] <Tonio_> allee: uploading wlassistant to revu
[10:56] <Tonio_> allee: because it "may" go in main, I think the maintainer has to be an ubuntu affiliated personn
[10:56] <Tonio_> can I put your name on it ?
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: initial upload failed
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect elmo rejected it because of the name, like pwmanager
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: renaming to kde-wlassistant ?
[10:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: what was the failure message?
[10:58] <Tonio_> no idea, I wasn't in ML when uploaded ;)
[10:59] <Tonio_> but I know elmo doesn't like "too generic" applications name
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I had to s/pwmanager/kde-pwmanager
[11:00] <Riddell> "ML"?
[11:00] <Tonio_> mailing list
[11:00] <Riddell> who uploaded? me?
[11:00] <allee> Tonio_: using my name is fine.  But on debian Stan was doing most of the work and for kubuntu you ;)
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell:  let me check
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: it was siretart
[11:01] <Tonio_> I may ask him the reason
[11:01] <Riddell> yeah, do so
[11:01] <Riddell> or ask elmo, he should have logs
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: if siretart isn't there, I'll do ;)
[11:05] <mornfall> Tonio_: right, only gnome apps have right to have generic names in ubuntu :| (update-manager, update-notifier, ...)
[11:06] <Tonio_> mornfall: yes absolutly :) some applications have been rejected because of that
[11:06] <mornfall> i don't particularly care since i don't give generic names to my apps
[11:06] <mornfall> but it's a bit unfair
[11:06] <hunger> hiho.
[11:07] <mornfall> 'lo
[11:07] <Tonio_> mornfall: ubuntu is and will probably always be prior to kubuntu
[11:07] <Tonio_> which doesn't mean we cannot do better of course ;)
[11:07] <mornfall> by the simple fact of using kde intsead of gnome we already do better :P
[11:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: hehe !!! don't feed the troll !!!
[11:08] <mornfall> i don't feed the troll
[11:08] <mornfall> i am the troll
[11:08] <mornfall> :-))
[11:08] <Tonio_> ^_^
[11:08] <allee> lol
[11:08] <hunger> mornfall: And you can not feed yourself yet?
[11:09] <mornfall> hunger: i eat like civilized trolls ;)
[11:09] <Tonio_> mornfall VS linus torvalds
[11:09] <Tonio_> waiting pronostics ;)
[11:09] <mornfall> hmh?
[11:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: reference to the big *troll* linus launched on the gnome ML 3 month ago
[11:10] <mornfall> well, troll may as well be the opposite of gnome
[11:10] <mornfall> they are at least on the opposite ends of size spectrum ;-)
[11:11] <mornfall> but wasn't ubuntu for human beings?
[11:11] <Tonio_> allee: already have your allee@ubuntu.com email address ?
[11:12] <allee> Tonio_: yes.  Worked the same day as of membership
[11:12] <Tonio_> mornfall: I must say I didn't understant everything ;) -> limited english sometimes
[11:12] <Tonio_> allee: okay, that's for the control file :
[11:13] <mornfall> maybe i could eat something (a yummy gnome? (j/k))
[11:13] <Tonio_> allee: if it goes in main, that would be a good contrib for applying as a MOTU ;)
[11:13] <allee> ah, I still have to add this e-mail to my pgp key
[11:14] <allee> Tonio_: I don't understand your hint ;)
[11:15] <Tonio_> allee: don't you think about that next step ?
[11:15] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:15] <Lure> mornfall: if interested in knetworkmanager coding, you may help me compile it ;-)
[11:16] <Lure> I think the snapshot I got may be too old (it is from Mar 11th ;-))
[11:17] <mornfall> knetworkmanager? or wlassistant? *confuse*
[11:17] <allee> Tonio_: no, currently not, I'm just too busy with lots of new hardware.  I hope that in a week I can help kubuntu again a bit more.  I would feel guilty if I would apply in a time I do almost noting for kubuntu
[11:17] <mornfall> anyhow, not right now
[11:17] <Lure> knetworkmanager - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko for where to get
[11:18] <Tonio_> allee: it is still benevolant work though ;)
[11:18] <allee> robotgeek: me too.  What cool action did you add?
[11:19] <robotgeek> allee: no, i just discovered default url thing
[11:20] <robotgeek> allee: trying to figure out a post to pastebin action, if that is possible :)
[11:20] <sebas> Riddell: Are kubuntu packages planned for koffice beta 2?
[11:21] <allee> robotgeek: I tried this two weeks ago too, but either url-encoded is not supported or I did it wrong 
[11:21] <robotgeek> okay, let me try my luck :)
[11:22] <robotgeek> Riddell: is the cd going to reduce in size sometime later?
[11:23] <sebas> Lure: On the kpowersave page, it says that powersaved doesn't use acpi-support, but the latest version is easily configurable to do so.
[11:24] <Lure> sebas: if you know how, write it down 
[11:24] <sebas> Lure: Sure.
[11:25] <sebas> Need to boot my notebook though, will do in a bit.
[11:25] <Lure> you replaced all powersave actions with calls to hibernate.sh and similar?
[11:26] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/k-ed-ubuntu/images.html
[11:27] <sebas> Lure: Nope, it's been added by the powersave developers about two weeks ago.
[11:27] <Lure> I have done this in past, but I was not sure if this is right way
[11:27] <Lure> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-February/000823.html
[11:27] <sebas> I'd a discussion with them about the hibernate script and integration of suspend2 in kpowersave.
[11:28] <Lure> sebas: then is is new...
[11:28] <Lure> you use suspend2 or swsusp from Ubuntu?
[11:28] <Lure> s/is is/it is/
[11:28] <sebas> So they added an option to replace powersave's own way of doing all the stuff that needs to be done before kernel can suspend, now you can replace that with a script.
[11:29] <sebas> I use suspend2, with the hibernate script. But the logic is basically the same WRT to powersaved.
[11:29] <Lure> sebas: but this is than not different than what I wrote end of Feb?
[11:31] <sebas> It's a different thing.
[11:31] <sebas> With the newer powersave it should work out of the box on ubuntu.
[11:31] <sebas> Give me 5 minutes.
[11:31] <Lure> sebas: maybe it does - I did not change anyhting and it works nicely
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: wlassistant already has 2 yes on revu, so logically can upload directly to universe
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: do I ? or do we make test and see for main dorectly ?
[11:36] <Tonio_> directly
[11:45] <allee> Tonio_: btw. whom to ask for a rsibreak sync from debian?  (UVF already granted: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rsibreak/+bug/33640)
[11:45] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33640 in rsibreak "UVF exception request" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[11:46] <Tonio_> allee: need to ask for uvf exception
[11:46] <allee> Tonio_: this part is done as Ubugtu told us :)
[11:47] <Tonio_> allee: if uvf exception is accepted, and if it is in universe, then I can upload ;)
[11:47] <allee> Tonio_: please do when your time permits.
[11:50] <sebas> Lure: Updated the page, turned Con into a Pro
[11:50] <Tonio_> allee: hum, was just looking and syncking from debian sin't allowed for me, cause version isn't dapper, but unstable
[11:50] <sebas> And explained how to configure :)
[11:50] <Tonio_> allee: we need to ping elmo to do
[11:50] <Tonio_> allee: you can eventually send him an email with the launchpad bug url
[11:51] <allee> Tonio: elmo@ubuntu.com ?
[11:51] <crimsun> for dapper?
[11:51] <crimsun> I can upload it if you need it uploaded
[11:52] <Lure> sebas: thanks - will try on my system
[11:52] <crimsun> url to UVF exception grant?
[11:52] <toma> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rsibreak/+bug/33640
[11:52] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33640 in rsibreak "UVF exception request" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[11:52] <Lure> we need to talk with mbiebl about acpid workaround (we probably do not need anymore)
[11:53] <Tonio_> allee: james@ubuntu.com
[11:53] <sebas> Probably not, though the issue really is powersaved, not kpowersave.
[11:53] <sebas> And that needs an update.
[11:53] <crimsun> ok, so you need 0.5.0-2 synced from Sid?
[11:54] <crimsun> (we'll have to "fakesync" it as 0.5.0-2build1 if so)
[11:54] <toma> crimsun: yes
[11:54] <allee> crimsun: yes, rsibreak 0.5.0-2 from sid.  Can you do it?
[11:54] <crimsun> sure, I'll process it tonight
[11:54] <allee> crimsun: THX
[11:55] <allee> :)
[11:55] <allee> when I'm at it I should check what happened with codeine ...
[11:58] <toma> allee: do you know what "fix released" means in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/34028 
[11:58] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34028 in digikam "UVF exception 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 -> 0.8.1-4" [Normal,Fix released]  
[11:58] <toma> does that require anything from me or you atm?
[11:58] <allee> fix releases == pkg with fix uploaded  AFAIK.
[11:59] <allee> toma: like bug closed in debian
[11:59] <toma> hmm
[12:00] <toma> indeed
[12:00] <toma> there is a new version uploaded
[12:00] <toma> great
[12:01] <allee> toma: btw have you seen bug 34462?
[12:01] <Ubugtu> malone bug 34462 in digikam "Digikam deletes EXIFs when auto-rotating on import" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34462
[12:02] <allee> toma: I talked with gilles and he told me work for him.  He suspects a libkexif problem.  has your camera a such sensor?
[12:02] <toma> allee: nope
[12:02] <toma> though i might have an example stored somewhere when working with renchi on it in the past
[12:03] <allee> toma: sounds promising
[12:03] <Tonio_> allee: concerning wlassistant, I was thinking of using the one of kwifimanager ;)