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j^whats the state of ubuntu on intel mac minis?12:57
Burgworkj^, currently waiting elilo work, afaik. Ask mjg59 for a more definative answer12:57
natrollgive me a mac mini and i'll help out :D12:58
j^i just got one, wanted to get a powerpc but they are out of stock12:59
Amaranthmjg59 has dapper booting and working more or less right on the imac12:59
j^i saw that, was just wondering if there is more info than the image with red wine :)01:00
jdubj^: sweet01:00
Amaranththe extra six weeks should give mjg59 a chance to get his stuff in, right? :)01:01
LaserJockohh, I can't wait until I can get K/Ubuntu on this thing :)01:01
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mjg59Amaranth: We just need a binutils that can build a bootloader01:18
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jdongare we down to a stock 1 minute boot time?!01:23
natroll--1017 packages to upgrade to dapper from a stock x86 breezy01:26
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mike_douglasHey, I ran into a fairly serious bug in gnome-terminal that just appeared today. All curses applications no longer work. Can anyone else confirm this?02:08
crimsunno, alsamixer -c0 works fine here.02:09
jdubmike_douglas: which apps in particular?02:10
mike_douglasncmpc and irssi02:10
crimsunirssi works fine here, too.02:11
jdubirssi looks fine here02:11
mike_douglashmm, probably a local problem then, thanks.02:11
jdubmike_douglas: worth tracking though02:12
mike_douglasYeah, I'll write something up. Resizing the window seems to fix it.02:12
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sladenmjg59: can you upload the known working elilo and the duff elilo somewhere?  I'd like to have a poke at them and see if there's anything obviously different02:17
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Burgworkok, Ubuntu needs to get another X guru02:38
LaserJock?02:41
Burgworkhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/28648/02:42
Ubugtumalone bug 28648 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Slow movement regression of synaptics touchpad on v0.14.3+seriouslythistime" [Normal,Confirmed]  02:42
ajmitchBurgwork: you don't want to step up for the job?02:42
Burgworkdoes it involve code?02:42
infinitysladen: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/efi/02:43
jdubhrm02:43
jdubevery now and then, the screensaver is kicking in02:43
Burgworknoticed that as well02:44
infinityjdub: Yeah, some of us have had that bug for months, others seem to have just contracted it (so, possibly two slightly different but very similar bugs)02:44
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jdubi have been really slack about filing bugs so far during dapper02:45
bddebianLamer02:46
bddebian:-)02:46
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=== bddebian wonders if jbailey is STILL on that support call? :-)
LaserJockso are we going to have an macintel install party?02:51
bddebian*cough*02:51
=== tritium will simply be satisfied to finally have ubunt on his iMac G5
bddebianNice02:52
tritiumubuntu even ;)02:52
LaserJockI've been waiting to get Ubuntu on this baby02:52
LaserJockI've got lots of Gigs to dual boot with02:52
infinity"I've got lots of Gigs"... That just sounds strange.02:53
jdubinfinity: we'll upgrade your 386 soon.02:53
bddebianheh02:54
infinityIt was more the descriptive fragment without a noun to go with it.02:54
LaserJockinfinity: hmm, does it? sorry if my English is bad. I'm a native speaker ;)02:54
infinityLots of gigs of WHAT?02:54
LaserJockhard disk space02:54
infinityjdub: s/i386/m68k/ ... And thpt. :)02:55
infinity(And I did just upgrade, from a 68060 to a ColdFire...)02:55
bddebianLaserJock: :-)02:55
infinity(Though the ColdFire doesn't have "lots of gigs")02:55
tritiumhmm, there's already an ubuntu affiliate in AZ, which is only one state away...02:55
bddebianWell at least it wasn't a 6803002:55
LaserJocktritium: ?02:56
tritiumLaserJock: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/marketplace/northernamerica02:56
LaserJocktritium: meet in Phoenix? ;-)02:57
tritiumLaserJock: any time, friend :)02:57
LaserJocktritium: maybe we should have a Southwest US loco team 02:58
tritiumPrecisely what I've been contemplating, LaserJock02:59
minghuaLaserJock: hey, I could be in that team too!  (/me waves from Houston)02:59
LaserJockminghua's over at Rice. maybe we can claim him too ;-)02:59
LaserJocklol02:59
minghuathere you go :-)03:00
tritiumdefinitely :)03:00
LaserJockor maybe it is just the MOTU Science loco team ;-)03:01
Kyralmeh I'm in New York03:01
LaserJockrobotgeek is at UT-Arlington03:02
tritiumI think he moved to Boston...03:02
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LaserJockKyral: you apparently need to move West03:05
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LaserJockhi minghua 05:22
minghuahello LaserJock 05:22
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xBeatrixhello. can anybody help me with remastering?06:03
xBeatrix:-/:(:-[06:04
LaserJockxBeatrix: you might google or search wiki.ubuntu.com . I'm not sure if you'll get much here right now06:05
xBeatrixi did. i came across this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo06:08
xBeatrixfollowed the instructions but got some errors06:08
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dholbachgood morning08:49
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highvoltagemorning, dholbach 09:04
dholbachhey highvoltage09:05
tepsipakkidholbach: hi! do you think zsh-beta could be synced from debian?-) They've released version 4.3.2 which has better utf8-support.. zsh-beta is in universe09:16
dholbachtepsipakki: if it's a new upstream version, it requires a report09:17
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tepsipakkidholbach: a bug report against it?09:18
pittiGood morning09:18
dholbachtepsipakki: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html09:18
tepsipakkihmm, I should probably subscribe to u-m09:18
ajmitchmorning pitti 09:19
pittihi ajmitch, how are you?09:20
ajmitchgood, how are you this morning?09:21
pittipretty breezy :)09:21
tepsipakkihow about the libpam-krb5 sync from debian (1.2.0-1 -> -2), where should I report that?09:21
minghuatepsipakki: that does NOT need any special report for approval AFAIK09:23
dholbachtepsipakki: same09:23
dholbachah ok09:23
dholbachno, now i understand, yes, what minghua said09:23
irvinhi devs! is there work underway to have a one-stop hardware compatability list for ubuntu?09:24
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Burgundaviairvin: thoughts, but nothing underway that i have heard of09:25
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irvinit would be nice to have one though.... /me scans forums and wiki09:27
irvinthanks Burgundavia09:27
tepsipakkiminghua: ok, but who should I ping to get it sync'd, elmo?09:27
minghuatepsipakki: that part I am never sure of09:27
minghuatepsipakki: sync'ing seems to be broken right now, I heard the currect accepted workaround is "fakesync"09:28
minghuatepsipakki: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-March/000572.html09:28
tepsipakkiminghua: ok, I _really_ need to subscribe :)09:29
tepsipakkithanks09:29
pittimjg59: ping09:32
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Mithrandirogra: the suspend bug has returned.09:39
Mithrandirogra: also, it seems like gnome-screensaver-preferences can't actually change the prefs when g-s goes into that mode.09:39
dokogood morning09:49
ajmitchmorning doko 09:49
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highvoltagedholbach: sorry, i'm working as hard as i can on it10:14
dholbachhighvoltage: hm?10:14
highvoltagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/BugsForExtraPoints <- #110:14
dholbachah nice :)10:14
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G0SUBare there any known issues with X locking up in Dapper?10:22
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mvoping Kamion10:37
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G0SUBare there any known issues of X locking up in dapper?10:38
elkbuntuG0SUB, dont repeat your question like that in here. people in here really are quite busy10:38
hungerAnyone else having trouble upgrading ubuntu-artwork in dapper?10:38
G0SUBelkbuntu: I understand ... 10:38
mdkeG0SUB, search the bugtracker, and if you don't find one, report the bug and a developer will look at it10:39
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elkbuntuhunger, it's better to report it and have it rejected10:39
G0SUBmdke: how can I do that from the console?10:39
hungerelkbuntu: OK... I'll venture into the darkness called LP again:-(10:40
G0SUBmdke: were there any X updates today? everything was fine before10:40
elkbuntuG0SUB, does 'startx' get you into gnome at all?10:40
G0SUBelkbuntu: when I start GDM I get a blank screen ... and the lockup is logged in the Xorg logs10:41
mdkeG0SUB, you can't do it from the console. Maybe use your stable system to do it10:41
G0SUBheh, I have only one system :(10:42
elkbuntuG0SUB, do you have ssh or a webserver installed?10:42
G0SUBelkbuntu: ssh yes10:42
G0SUBelkbuntu: I am giving you the exact Xorg logs10:42
elkbuntuG0SUB, hmm?10:43
G0SUBError in I830WaitLpRing()10:43
G0SUBlooks like a driver issue?10:44
elkbuntuG0SUB, it'd be better to get the whole logs for the devs to have a look through, rather than just one line10:44
G0SUByes, since I am in the console, I can't copy paste ... I am uploading it to a server10:45
sivangmorning all!10:45
pittihey sivang 10:45
sivangpitti: Hi Martin :)10:46
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mdkeG0SUB, this is more for #ubuntu, but you can copy and paste if you install "gpm" from universe10:46
G0SUBok10:47
G0SUBhttp://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/Xorg.0.log10:48
ograMithrandir, meh :(10:48
G0SUBhello sivang !10:50
Kamionmvo: yes?10:50
G0SUBelkbuntu: did you check the log?10:51
mvoKamion: we don't do thai currently in the installer as a language in language-chooser, right?10:51
Kamionfolks, please use dpkg-buildpackage/debuild's -v option when you're building fake sync uploads10:52
Kamioncheck that the .changes file lists all the changes since the last version in Ubuntu10:52
Kamionmvo: no - there are no translations yet so it hasn't been added10:52
Kamionat least some level of translation is a prerequisite there I think10:53
mvoKamion: ok, thanks10:53
Kamionbut it's no problem to add it once that's there10:53
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sivanghey G0SUB 10:55
elkbuntuG0SUB, were you by any chance using totem-xine?10:55
elkbuntuhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-i810/+bug/22741 is the bug G0SUB has, tell him if he returns10:58
Ubugtumalone bug 22741 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 "I830WaitLpRing() lockup" [Major,Confirmed]  10:58
dokofunny, the OOo spellchecker proposes as a correction for "Breezy Badger" -> "Brezel Bagger"11:02
dholbachhahaha11:03
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ograhaha, seems i finally have a track for the flickering screensaver :)11:05
ogramorning mdz11:05
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seb128doko: do you know about that: http://ploum.fritalk.com/ooo_bug.png ?11:09
TreenaksRectangular11:09
ograjordi, ping11:11
jordipong11:11
ograjordi, you had the flicker in your screensaver, right ? 11:11
jordiyeah11:12
jordilet me try now to see how's it going11:12
ogracan you install the xscreensaver package and do a test for me  ?11:12
jordi2.14.0-0ubuntu1 didn't change anything11:12
jordisure11:12
dokoseb128: nice11:13
ograjust run the settings app (no need to start xscreensaver if it complains) and go to a GL screensaver ...11:13
ograGLText for example11:13
dokoseb128: remove one font after the other, to find out, which font is missing the glyphs11:13
ograthen go to settings->advanced, and pick visual = Default from the pulldown list ...11:14
ograor Default-N11:14
ogradoes it flicker in xscreensaver as well then ? 11:14
seb128doko: what font?11:14
seb128doko: that's like the font is missing every single glyph :p11:14
ogra(mdz said you see it in the preview already)11:14
dokoseb128: that's not uncommon with indic, tamil, ...11:15
seb128I blame mvo so11:16
dokoseb128: iz no gtk bug!11:17
jordiogra: all is smooth11:19
jordiGLText is smooth11:19
ograno flicker ? 11:19
jordiall the rest are too11:19
jordiya11:19
ograhm :(11:19
jordilet me try GLText in g-s11:19
ograeven if you set visual = default and preview it ? 11:19
jordioh I missed that bit11:19
jordiwait11:19
ograor default-n11:20
ograseems our g-s-s doesnt know the GL visual ... (no idea how to teach it to use that, but i'll find out if its reproducable)11:20
jordiogra: aha, flicker11:22
ograYAY \o/11:22
ograoki, so i have a track, thanks jordi :)11:22
jordiyay11:22
dokomvo: ping11:24
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pittiwb mdz 11:27
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netstarwhat happened to ld.so.conf?11:30
mvodoko: hello, I got your question yesterday, but the sprint keeps me *very* busy11:32
mvodoko: sorry for this, I may try to look at the issue again today11:32
Mezerm11:34
Mezseb128, ping11:35
seb128Mez: pong11:35
Mezseb128, ubuntu-artwork is causing errors on upgrade for me11:35
seb128Mez: I knew you were going to ask that11:35
Mezseb128, known problem?11:35
seb128we got already 3 bugs about that, and it was fixed before reading the bugs11:35
Mez;)11:35
Mezfair enough11:35
MezI'll go away then11:35
seb128you guys are update manics, it's incredible11:36
seb128:)11:36
elkbuntuseb128, sabdfl sorta lit a bonfire under them11:36
Mezseb128, well since I've had adept-notifier I update as soon as possible11:39
MezI hate the "new updates waiting" icon11:39
Mezreminds me too much of windows11:39
seb128update-notifier doesn't do hourly packages list update, does it?11:39
elkbuntuMez, at least it doesnt just do them then tell you every 10 mins to reboot11:39
ploumehe :-)  I like very much the Frankenstein-Launchpad post !11:40
Mezseb128: not too sure11:40
MezI think I have that in my root's crontab11:40
seb128Mez: anyway a quick look to launchpad before asking is appreciate, because if 100 people ping me at every bugs that's an issue11:41
Mezseb128: apologies :D11:41
Seveasseb128, I'm sure you could handle that11:41
Mezbut trying to find bugs in that thing is amazingly hard11:41
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Mezseb128, plus I thought it was an issue due to running kubuntu11:41
seb128Mez: if you know the package is not that hard, but whatever :)11:42
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mvoseb128: update-notifier does it daily, no idea about this adept thing11:42
Mezseb128, lol ;)11:42
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dokodholbach: are you doing example content?11:42
dholbachyes, together with heno - he did the selection11:42
dokodholbach: asking, if we could/should promote openclipart from universe to main ... 11:44
dholbachdoko: in fact heno wanted to drop the cliparts from example-content again11:45
dholbachas it grew too big11:45
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dholbachhey sabdfl11:45
sabdflhowdy all11:45
Mezmvo: this code looks a little scary11:45
Mez    m_timer->start( 1000*60 ); // 60 secs for now11:45
dokodholbach: yes, it's 140MB, we should not ship it11:45
dholbachdoko: i referred to example-content, but yeah :)11:46
Mezmvo: though it only checks the apt-cache stamp11:46
seb128hi sabdfl11:46
Mez(and status)11:46
MezMorning Mark11:46
sabdflhi there seb128, all settled down from last week?11:48
ploumseb128: the bogus font (if any) seems to be ttf-opensymbol11:48
ploumbut I can't remove it : http://pastebin.com/60323211:48
seb128doko: for you 11:48
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mvoMez: not my code :P feel free to send bugreports11:49
mvoMez: update-notifier uses gnome-vfs monitor feature to do the same11:49
Mezmvo: no - I know it's not your code - I was referring to you saying you didnt know how often adept-notifier updated itself11:49
seb128sabdfl: yeah mostly, GNOME 2.14.0 has landed to dapper, now I've some good bug backlog to fight :)11:49
mvoMez: ah, right :) 11:50
ploum"'m not sure that releasing a product named "Drake" is a good idea in a H5 bird flu context." 11:50
sabdflseb128: the good fight :-)11:50
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Mezploum, where did that come from ?11:50
ploumMez: from the ubuntu-devel list !11:50
mvolol11:50
ploumThat was a serious message !11:50
Mezwhats the Message Subject?11:50
seb128sabdfl: right ;) 11:50
jordiheh, that makes it even funnier11:50
ploumMez: "Dapper Drake and Bird Flu"11:51
Meznvm - got it11:51
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Mezand all we need to do is get mark to change his mind and say it's a dragon ;)11:51
Mez:P11:51
dokoseb128: can you reproduce that on your machine?11:51
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ploumMez: making Mark change his mind is sometimes harder than reimplementing the whole operating system ;-)11:52
seb128doko: no, but I've a bunch of other font packages ploum doesn't has11:52
Mezploum, I know - I've heard11:52
gwenaldwill ubuntu adopt linspire's click'n'run after all?11:52
seb128ploum: why do you think it's ttf-opensymbol ?11:52
seb128ploum: sudo apt-get -f install ?11:53
Kamiongwenald: why would we want to do that? it's tied into linspire's business model11:53
ploumseb128, doko : because I removed all the other fonts and I still have the bug. Also, I cannot remove this package, I don't understand (apt-get -f does nothing)11:53
gwenaldKamion: i don't want that to happen. i only fear that would happen and i am anxious to know whether it will or not.11:54
ploumbut it's maybe not a font that is missing instead11:54
Kamiongwenald: seems unlikely11:54
Kamiongwenald: AFAIK there are no plans for it11:54
gwenaldkagou: cool then11:54
Kamiongwenald: where did you hear this?11:54
gwenaldKamion: osnews, iirc11:55
Mezhmm11:55
Mezjdub's not gonna be around now is he?11:55
seb128ploum: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-en-us ?11:55
Kamiongwenald: ... ok ;-)11:55
ploumseb128: already installed11:55
dokoploum: could you move (or remove) your ~/.openoffice* folder, restart OOo and try again?11:55
ploumdoko: ok, let's do it11:56
seb128ploum: your pastebin message makes no sense11:56
ploumseb128: it's not "mine", it's the apt message I've got, I swear ! :-)11:56
plouminteresting, I've four .openoffice* : .openoffice/                   .openoffice.org1.9.milestone/11:57
ploum.openoffice.org1.9.103/        .openoffice.org2/11:57
jdubMez: what can i help you with?11:57
Mezjdub: Planet RSS feed seems to be not working11:57
ploumjdub: indeed. It's the hackergotchi that brokes the RSS 11:58
jduboh, really?11:58
ploumdoko: removed without any change11:58
jdubi'll have a look - thanks11:58
gwenaldKamion: you're mentioning linspire's business model, but what is ubuntu's?11:59
dokoploum: strange, can you reproduce it from the live CD?11:59
ploumdoko: arf, no live CD here. I will try this later12:00
Kamiongwenald: it's probably easiest for me to point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth to answer that12:01
ploumthanks for interest ;-)12:01
Kamiongwenald: there are long responses there from Mark to a number of questions along those lines12:01
Mezffs - people annoy me12:02
mvoKamion: for the "please run langauage-selector" you will need to put a file in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/12:03
dokoseb128: do you know which glyph is used for the dot in the login screen?12:04
Kamionmvo: what deals with removing those files?12:04
seb128doko: that's not only the login screen, gksudo does the same, a sec12:05
mvoKamion: nothing, it will use the time-stamp to figure if it needs to be displayed or not12:05
Kamionmvo: hmm, it would be preferable if language-selector could install that file, and the installer could just say "display it if it's there, please"12:05
Kamionthat way I don't have to hardcode stuff about the language selector into the installer12:06
Kamionwell, not too much ...12:06
seb128doko: U+25CF BLACK CIRCLE12:06
Kamionbut I guess having the installer do it is possible too12:06
seb128doko: 0x25cf so12:06
mvoKamion: well, does the install know if it can't install a language complettely?12:07
sabdflgwenald: also, cast your eyes over http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/cancomical-lynchpad12:08
minghuamvo: do you think it's worth doing to make scim provide the im-switch support so that each scim module doesn't need to create their own?12:08
Kamionmvo: yes12:08
mvominghua: not sure, it depends on how much work it is to make a generic one for scim12:08
mvoKamion: if you know that, it would be enough to create a file in this dir with: "please run language selector to complete the install" (I can send you a file with the correct format)12:09
minghuamvo: from what I see, all im-switch support from module packages are almost identical12:09
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minghuamvo: I am asking because I am planning to work on im-switch support of scim-tables12:09
mvominghua: then it is probably a good idea, maybe have one generic and make it possible for the tables to overwrite it12:10
minghuamvo: and it turns out to be identical to the one I wrote for scim-hangule12:10
minghuas/scim-hangule/scim-hangul/12:10
minghuamvo: it's generally safe anyway since the module packages can still use their own if they want12:11
minghuamvo: it's not like this approach is going to break anything12:11
Kamionmvo: I think I can grok it from existing files in that directory12:11
ploumdoko: seb128 found the solution to the ooo font problem : removing /usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice12:12
mvominghua: great, that sounds good and will get us support for all tables :)12:12
Kamionmvo: the problem is, Kubuntu doesn't use language-selector12:12
mvoKamion: thanks. I think this solution is a good one12:12
Kamionmvo: and the code has to be the same for all derivatives12:12
mvoKamion: we'll get a frontend for it 12:12
mvoright12:12
Kamionmvo: by dapper?12:12
minghuamvo: we still need to figure out the correct locale names (scim-tables-additional supports at least 6 languages)12:12
minghua;-)12:12
mvoKamion:  yes, it's a pretty important feature12:13
Kamionok12:13
mvoKamion: but derivaties may be a problem :/12:13
gwenaldsabdfl: LOL :)))12:13
minghuamvo: then I'll cook a patch and ask you to review it when it's ready, okay?12:13
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KamionI suppose I could use dpkg -l - the desktop is supposed to be installed by that point12:13
sabdfl:-p12:13
ploumyes, this cartoon is great :-)12:14
sivangman, I lol'd when I saw this 12:14
ploumbut Burgwork's frankenstein-launchpad story is also very good (but less funny)12:15
sivangploum: ah, Burgwork also did soemthing similar?12:15
ploumsivang: not in a funny way12:15
plouminteresting : http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary.html?start=7212:15
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mvominghua: yes, thanks12:17
gwenaldsabdfl: well... are the losses at least diminishing?12:18
Seveassivang, I'm not too sure whether hubert likes to be hacked on ;)12:19
sivangSeveas: heh12:19
gwenaldsabdfl: (noticeably)12:19
sabdflgwenald: revenue growth rate is greater than cost growth rate, i believe, but i'd need to check12:19
sabdfli'm confident we'll get ubuntu to be sustainable12:19
sivangsabdfl++12:19
sivanggwenald: also, the fact canonical are opening a support center in Montreal and started to look for people to man it is a good sign I believe , if that helps :-)12:20
gwenaldsabdfl: how could that happen, considering that ubuntu is more like a non-comercial distro? i think this is a tough mission.12:20
Seveasgwenald, have you read the MarkShuttleworth wikipage?12:21
sivanggwenald: when you have a good enough reputation, and you build a strong team that does specific needs tailoring and on site services, you can increase revenues.12:21
gwenaldsabdfl: i mean... even esr would advice you to sell software (i guess) :))12:21
sivanggwenald: and what Seveas said :)12:21
Kamiongwenald: Ubuntu's non-commercial, but Canonical offer support/services on top of that12:21
Kamionwell, perhaps "free-as-in-beer" is a better description than "non-commercial" here, but whatever12:22
gwenaldKamion: oh, right -- sabdfl: is canonical profitable?12:22
ploumDon't forget the Orange sponsoring for this release..12:22
gwenaldKamion: right12:22
sivangheh12:22
pittiploum: what's this "Orange", a popular company in the US, or whereever?12:23
ploumpitti: I don't know in the US but well here in Europa12:23
ploummobile phone operator12:23
pittiah12:23
Seveasnot just in US, in NL/FR and several other countries too12:23
sabdflgwenald: no, canonical isn't profitable, but i'm working on it and confident12:24
jordipitti: ping12:25
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jordipitti: so power manager is showing this very green icon12:25
gwenaldsabdfl: could you please name another company which has an economical model closest to what canonical is aiming at?12:25
netstarlinspire?12:25
netstar:P12:25
ploumMicrosoft ?12:26
jordiTooltip is: "Computer is running on AC power. Laptop battery charging (100%).12:26
ploum99% is pirate software12:26
jordipitti: do you see that in your apple?12:26
pittijordi: ok?12:26
ploumonly 1% of their marketshare pay the 99% others ;-)12:26
sabdflgwenald: mysql, mozilla.com12:26
pittijordi: ah, right, 100% and charging12:26
netstar(m)anyone running on an iMac G5?12:26
pittijordi: hm, there are some wrong boundary conditions here as well, right, but I need to check12:26
pittijordi: mine's at 89%, charging now and checking12:27
jordipitti: I guess this is hw stuff going on, as in the laptop not sending a "I'm not charging anymore" signal12:28
pittijordi: so hal should grow a light sensor to watch the color of the cable plug :)12:28
jordipitti: PM could detect it's at 100% and go away if it can't be fixed at kernel level too easily12:28
jordipitti: lol12:28
jordipitti: the funny thing is, it's orange right now12:29
pittijordi: well, then it *is* charging12:29
pittijordi: so maybe rather the percentage is wrong?12:29
jordiit's at 100% tho12:29
jordihmm12:29
jordiIt was at 0% at 9AM12:29
jordibecause I had been.. uhm, "testing" mame last night.12:29
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Kamionpitti: old mozilla-thunderbird-locale-{ca,de,fr,it,nl,pl,uk} source removed (was it you who asked me for that?)12:46
pittiKamion: yes, I was; thanks12:46
Kamiondoko: was it you who asked for ia32-libs-dev/amd64 to be removed? there are still build-dependencies on it (fakeroot, grub, etherboot, fakechroot, x86info)12:49
KamionI'll look at grub now12:49
dokoKamion: I see, I'll replace them with libc6-i386-dev12:52
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jono_hey all01:02
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jono_any word if the delay is happening yet?01:04
jordimdz: here?01:06
Riddelljono_: no01:07
Kamionit'll be announced when decided01:07
jono_Kamion, ahhh cool :)01:08
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jordiKamion: we were talking to matt about syncing ttf-freefont from Debian yesterday. mdz seemed ok with this, but we never made the final push. The new snapshot in Debian is iirc 2 months old, no new bugs in the BTS, and our tests showed it helped in a number of ways, Bengali being prominent.01:09
jordiKamion: No upstream changelog, Debian changes look sane.01:09
Kamionif mdz's OK with it, it's fine by me ...01:09
jordihe appeared to be positive, but cautious at the same time. He avoided saying a clear "yes" at that moment, but said it looked good01:10
seb128Kamion, mdz: is that of to update shared-mime-info, that's the freedesktop mime database, the tarball was pretty old they rolled a new one for GNOME 2.14. Quite a bunch of new types definitions and some fixes with it  ...01:11
jordiKamion: the other change I'm proposing is changing fontconfig's default font from bitstream vera to DejaVu. seb128, any comment on this?01:13
seb128jordi: we already did that, no?01:13
jordiKamion: Debian #317907 has a comment by keithp accepting the change01:13
Ubugtudebian bug 317907 in libfontconfig1-dbg "include ttf-dejavu as one of the alternatives in depends" [Wishlist,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/31790701:13
jordiseb128: ubuntu doesn't have it01:13
seb128jordi: oh, no it was01:14
seb128  * fonts.conf.in:01:14
seb128    - Add DejaVu fonts immediately after Bitstream Vera, for better i18n01:14
seb128      character support love.01:14
seb128I don't know the different enough to advocate switch or not01:14
jordiseb128: should be swapped, I believe01:14
jordibackground is DejaVu is a fork of Vera, with a ton of fixes distros had been applying, after Bitstream never released new versions of Vera.01:15
jdubjordi: fixes to existing glyphs?01:15
jordiAdds fixes for existing glyphs, plus adds lots of support for central/east European languages, etc.01:15
jordijdub: some glyphs that looked bad, afaik01:15
jdubhrm, ok, if it fixes existing glyphs then i'd agree01:16
seb128doko: I think that would fix the password char issue :)01:16
jdubthe reason i did it that way around was because it's easier to stick with the vera name01:16
jordijdub: stick in what sense?01:16
jdubjordi: actually having the font name work01:16
jdubjordi: if we actually remove vera, but make an alias for it to dejavu, that would work too01:17
jordijdub: we need to forget about vera at some point. DejaVu should become  the standard.01:17
Kamionjordi: erm, ok, you're overloading my stack here, could you please send exception requests by mail?01:17
jordijdub: works for me too, but is a more aggressive approach I guess01:17
Kamionfontconfig font changes are up to the desktop team as far as I'm concerned01:17
jdubjordi: that's kinda what i wanted to avoid without there being some kind of wider buy-in :)01:18
jordiKamion: ok. I asked, people told me IRC was ok :)01:18
jdubjordi: perhaps this is something we could pitch at guadec01:18
jordijdub: nod01:18
Kamionseb128: sounds sensible01:18
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jdubjordi: feels a bit sucky towards bitstream though (i'd like to try one last time to get their attention)01:18
jordijdub: I agree with that01:19
jordiit's been three years though01:19
jdubslackeurs01:19
jdubi'll mail jim01:19
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jordijdub: ok.01:20
jordijdub: as for the swapping, should I keep looking a this, or should we punt for dapper+1?01:20
dokojordi: the problem is that dejavu glyphs don't have the same dimensions, which is bad01:20
dokofor printing ...01:20
jdubdoko: yeah01:21
jordithis appears to be escalating upstream already, with keith agreeing to the change01:21
jordiah, I didn't know that01:21
jordiso it's bad if ou mix vera and dejavu01:21
jordiif dejavu goes in first, you're very likely to not see vera at all, right?01:21
jordivera is now a subset of dejavu01:21
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jdubwell, there are two problems there01:22
jdubthere's the mixing problem01:22
jdubbut even with just dejavu, different dimensions have an impact on printing01:22
jduband all rendering01:22
jdubso, for instance, my presentations will end up out of proportion01:22
jdub;)01:22
jordibtw, I loved your "7" entry :)01:23
jdubjordi: perhaps the best thing to do is make the generic names map to dejavu first, but install both fonts01:23
jdubthanks :)01:23
jordiaha01:24
jordiright ow debian installs dejavu OR vera OR something OR something01:25
Treenaksjordi: OR or XOR?01:25
jordiyou'd want dejavu and bitstream in fontconfig's deps01:25
jordiDepends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, ucf (>= 0.29), ttf-dejavu | ttf-bitstream-vera | ttf-freefont | gsfonts-x11 | msttcorefonts01:25
jordiwow, msttcorefonts01:25
jdub*fontconfig* deps? interesting01:25
jordijdub: of course, they need to follow what fonts.conf say is prefered01:26
jdubjordi: yeah, i'd change the second two pipes to commas on that line :)01:26
Treenaksfontconfig depends on fonts? surely it should be the other way around?01:26
jdubTreenaks: naw, this makes sense01:26
jordihttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=31790701:26
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Ubugtudebian bug 317907 in libfontconfig1-dbg "include ttf-dejavu as one of the alternatives in depends" [Wishlist,Closed]  01:26
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jdubbut i guess it's sufficiently ORed ;)01:26
dokoseb128, jordi, jdub: some hack at http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ttf-dejavu_2.3-0ubuntu2_all.deb01:26
jdubdoko: what's this?01:27
jdub(well, apart from being dejavu)01:27
dokojdub: a smaller dot that seb128 can handle01:27
jordilet  * 0x25cf hack.01:28
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jduboh right01:28
jordithat's a cool changelog entry ;)01:28
seb128too small 01:28
seb128imho01:28
dokojordi: I don't plan to upload that01:28
Treenaks-hack?01:28
jordidoko: I know01:28
jordithat's for the passwords thing right?01:29
dokoseb128: right, I'm asking upstream for a fix, these are about 15 glyphs in 10 fonts ... I don't want to edit these by hand ...01:29
dokoyes01:29
jordiright... I was concerned this was a replacement for other dots01:30
jordi;)01:30
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jordijdub: summarizing. What changes would you propose?01:37
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infinityKamion: Was that changelog entry dylexic, or does grub really build-depend on libc6-i386-dev (rather than libc6-dev-i386)?01:38
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jdubjordi: i guess i'd suggest shipping both, using dejavu as the primary choice for the generic names01:39
infinitys/dylexic/dyslexic/01:39
jordijdub: alright01:40
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huggymuggyhi all01:47
Mezinfinity, did you upload that patch for scim yet ?01:47
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mvoMez: what patch is that?01:50
Mezmvo: the one to make it backportable01:51
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Kamioninfinity: both the changelog entry and the control file were dyslexic; fixing01:56
Kamioninfinity: dylexic> oh the irony01:56
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Kamioninfinity: fixed, thanks for the heads-up01:57
jordijdub: depending on both, you mean getting rid of alternatives for vera and dejavu, ie ttf-dejavu, ttf-bitstream-vera, ttf-freefont | gsfonts-x11 | msttcorefonts01:58
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dokoKamion: please could you promote fdupes to main (reviewed by pitti), so the next OOo upload can use it?01:58
jordithat pulls 3 fonts, not two01:58
jordiI'd do dejavu, vera | this | and | that01:59
dokojordi: pleae not. maybe dejavu is better for the screen, but definitely not for printing02:00
jdubjordi: yes02:00
Kamiondoko: done02:00
jordidoko, jdub: yes or no?02:00
dokojordi, jdub: both, but prefer bitstream-vera for printing ...02:01
dokobtw, from the OOo sources:02:02
doko# The bitstream fonts never make sense _at all_ they are so metrically odd.02:02
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doko    s/Bitstream Vera Sans;//g;02:02
doko    s/Bitstream Vera Sans Mono;//g;02:02
doko    s/Bitstream Vera Serif;//g;02:02
jordidoko: for printing only? Not sure how to do that.02:02
dokojordi: maybe that was OOo specific ...02:03
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bSONhi02:03
slomoinfinity, lamont: please give-back evolution-sharp on ppc, thanks ;)02:03
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jordidoko: lunchtime here.02:04
jordidoko: I don't se eany printing specific config here. It could well be OOo specific.02:04
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jordiI see your concern though.02:05
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jordidoko: that issue is not fixed with vera?02:05
jordierr02:05
jordiwith dejavu02:05
jordiback later02:05
dokojordi: which issue?02:06
jordithe sizes issue02:06
dokono, addressed on the dejavu ML02:06
jordipitti: hmm. now it's green, pm disappeared02:06
pittiKamion: I cleaned up anastacia output a bit; some package fixes and promotion approvals on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue02:06
pittijordi: 10 minutes to go for me; there seem to be hiccups after resuming, if the battery is already full02:07
dokoabelcheung: minghua (currenty not online) did a first check of OOo and scim. I have no tutorial how to check it for myself (on a western keyboard), so a short description would be nice02:07
stubLaunchpad is going down in 15 mins for a regular code update. Estimated downtime is 10 minutes. Wikis will be in read only mode during this time.02:10
martinkdoko: there's (very little) scim/ooo documentation in ooo-build/doc/im.txt. You probably want to use the gtk+scim instructions02:10
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Kamionpitti: noticed some of that, thanks02:10
infinityslomo: I'd love to, but it failed because the build-deps are uninstallable, giving it back won't change that.02:11
sivangcan anybody tell me if to be able to use cdrecord to read last session's offeset, the drive must be an /R/RW drive and not plain read drive (CD/DVD)02:11
Kamioninfinity: was that due to lack of libxml-libxml-perl making gtk2-sharp-gapi uninstallable?02:11
sivang?02:11
Kamionthat's on the promotion list02:12
martinkdoko: oh, and the magic key combo to activate scim is Ctrl+Space02:12
infinityKamion: No, gtkhtml and gnomeprintui out-of-datedness, it looks like.02:12
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seb128infinity: what about those*?02:13
infinityOr, just gnomeprint, actually.02:13
slomoinfinity: oh, right... last time i looked the failure was something else so you have given-back it already some hours ago it seems... sorry for the noise02:14
infinityseb128: Oh, nothing, I think I'm just waiting on cron.daily to finish actually.02:14
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infinityslomo: I'll toss it back to the wolves.  After this cron.daily, it should be okay...02:14
slomoinfinity: thanks02:15
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pittijordi: WFM02:22
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sivanghrm02:33
sivangpooh@tigershark ~/my/upbackup--main/UPBackup/backend $ sudo mount -o loop=/dev/loop0 test.iso test_iso/02:33
sivangmount: Not a directory02:33
sivangwhat am I doing wrong?02:33
Treenakssivang: does the 'test_iso/' directory exist?02:35
Treenakssivang: in .02:35
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sivangTreenaks: yes, it does.02:39
sivangTreenaks: weirdness02:40
ograsivang, try  sudo mount -o loop test.iso test_iso02:43
ogralet the kernel care for the device02:43
sivangokay, let's try.02:43
ograor better sudo mount -o loop test.iso ./test_iso02:43
sivangpooh@tigershark ~/my/upbackup--main/UPBackup/backend $ sudo mount -o loop test.iso ./test_iso02:44
sivangmount: Not a directory02:44
sivangwhat the..02:44
sivangI can swear this worked once02:44
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sivangogra: can you try something like that onyour dapper see if it works?02:46
ograsivang, i do it all the time if i test flight isos ...02:47
sivangoh bad, that something has went crazy in my system02:47
ograto check the contents and seeds02:47
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Kamionsivang: you sure that ./test_iso is a directory (and that you typed its name right)?02:50
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sivangroot@tigershark:/home/pooh/my/upbackup--main/UPBackup/backend # ls -la | grep "test_iso"02:51
sivangdrwxr-sr-x 2 pooh pooh     48 2006-03-15 15:25 test_iso02:51
sivangand I use tab completiong, and checked that I typed correctly.02:51
sivangI'm on  2.6.15-17-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT02:53
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jonoKamion, are all filesystem types resizable in espresso ?03:04
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sivangKamion: any idea ? has my system gone insane?03:08
Pygimvo: I'd like to help developin' synaptic03:08
sivangKamion: oh, I didn't address you directly, so you may have missed - yes, I am sure that I am using the correct dir.03:08
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sivangSeveas: yes, I need to . let try to make the calander work thugh before :)03:17
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sivangargh, this doesn't make any sense03:22
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Kamionjono: anything that parted knows how to resize is resizable in espresso - that's everything that people care about with the exception of NTFS. In d-i we use a special hack to resize NTFS, and if there's time we'll do that in espresso too.03:31
jonoKamion, ok cool03:32
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ograKamion, i installed my GFs new laptop last weekend and resized the existing NTFS partition from a breezy liveCD with gparted ... 03:33
ograworked fine ...03:33
bddebianogra: Awesome, wanna help me get Dapper or Breezy running on my Proliant ML350? :-)03:33
ograbddebian, i'm not a kernel dev :)03:34
bddebianBah :-)03:34
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ogradoesnt hurd work ? 03:34
bddebianOn the Proliant? Hahahaha :)03:34
bddebianI'm going to try Sarge today :-(03:35
Kamionogra: ah, yes, you're right, it already uses ntfsresize for that03:36
Kamionjono: ^--03:36
mvoPygi: great, what particular bits are you interessted in ?03:36
abelcheungdoko: sorry, I'm back now, was having lunch03:38
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abelcheungdoko: I'll list the testing procedures one by one:03:39
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sivangbddebian: joining the serer team efforts? :)03:40
abelcheungdoko: 1. install openoffice.org-l10n-zh-cn and openoffice.org-l10n-zh-tw, and check if the interface shows OOo chinese characters correctly03:40
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abelcheungdoko: s/openoffice.org/openoffice.org2/03:40
bddebiansivang: Hmm, maybe I should :-)  But no one likes my type of help.  I annoy everyone :-)03:40
sivangre the mount problem, Seveas also tried that:03:43
sivang14:33 < Seveas> stat64("/sbin/mount.iso9660", 0xbfa08fcc) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)03:43
sivang14:33 < Seveas> mount("/dev/loop0", "./test_iso", "iso9660", MS_POSIXACL|MS_ACTIVE|MS_NOUSER|0xec0000, 0x8074f38) = -103:43
sivang                ENOTDIR (Not a directory)03:43
dokoabelcheung: please could you write this down in a wiki page?03:43
abelcheungdoko: no problem!03:43
Seveas(sivang: using full paths for both iso and dir doesn't work either)03:44
sivangSeveas: pretty amazing.03:44
sivangwhen I touch a dummy file and use it as the target it works03:44
sivangbut I can't do anything with the file though03:44
sivangas it's not a dir03:44
sivangmaybe the iso is screwed..03:45
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kokemvo: the language-selector.desktop file is not being regenerated from the .in04:02
gwenaldsomebody please recommend me a repo with gaim 2.0 beta 2 compiled for ubuntu?04:02
kokeanyway, try changing Icon: language-selector.png to Icon: config-language to fix #3237104:03
mvokoke: oh? not regenerated is bad04:03
kokemmm, mvo you have to cd data && make04:06
kokethen it works04:06
mvokoke: right, we should add that to setup.py :)04:06
kokeyep, just for curiosity, why did you switch to python distutils04:07
kokeit's rather annoying to have translations regenerated in every build/install04:07
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sivangKamion: I find out the source of error with mount. I created an image of a multisession target, when I created a non merged one, it would loopback mount it. the error msg was misleading. Do you have any idea why I can't mount merged multisession images?04:23
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Kamionsivang: sorry, I have no idea04:40
sivangKamion: okay, np.04:42
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mammothhi05:12
bddebianHello mammoth05:13
mammothhow r you?05:13
bddebianFine thank you.  You?05:14
mammothfine05:14
mammothi dont work 2day05:14
mammothand what u do?05:14
mammothi mean work05:14
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slomoKamion: hi, i uploaded gtkpod-aac (a NEW package) almost a month ago but it didn't get through NEW yet and nobody saw a REJECTED mail... is it still in NEW or what happened to it?05:19
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mvoKamion: can we get a upstream version freeze expection for ttf-freefont? the new package has better bengali, tamil etc (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=350517)05:21
Ubugtudebian bug 350517 in udeb "Please package the last version" [Doubt....,Closed]  05:21
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Kamionmvo: that bug suggests that there are still bad spacing problems with the new version?05:35
Kamionslomo: it's in NEW, sorry, my bad05:36
sivangpitti: any complains about my packaging? :)05:36
slomoKamion: ok, np :) it's in general the gtkpod package with a new build-dependency from multiverse and conflicts/replaces/provides magic05:36
pittisivang: no time yet, sorry05:37
sivangpitti: sure, np, whenever you have, I just want the package to pass you before it enters the archive, even that it will be universe.05:38
Kamionslomo: accepted now05:38
Kamionslomo: I have to confess that I generally avoid the stuff with "interesting" licensing in NEW in the hope that elmo will do it instead05:38
slomoKamion: understandable... i won't like to process them too ;) but this one was fortunately simple as it has nothing bad other than a build-dependency :)05:40
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Kamionslomo: right, although I am somewhat concerned about stuff in multiverse that's GPLed with no exception05:41
Kamionisn't there a question whether that's distributable?05:41
slomoKamion: good question... no idea :/ but this would affect almost everything in multiverse05:42
Kamionthat surprises me, I'm pretty sure most things there are either not GPLed or have an explicit exception clause05:43
Kamionslomo: could you check with the upstream author to get an explicit licence exception for linking with whatever non-free/patented stuff you're using?05:43
pittiisn't that also a question of patents?05:43
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Kamionquite so, see GPL section 705:44
Kamionif the upstream author is not content with this, please tell me ASAP and I'll remove the package05:44
Kamionsorry, I only thought of this after processing05:44
Kamionthis is why I hate going anywhere near multiverse :-/05:44
slomoKamion: i'm pretty sure that many things in multiverse are GPL/LGPL without an exception clause... but i'll verify this later... and write a mail to the gtkpod author about that05:45
KamionLGPL + non-free/patents without an exception clause is fine, AFAIK05:47
Kamionalthough I'm not entirely sure about patents05:47
slomopitti: in this case it's only a question of patents ;)05:47
KamionI think it's OK though05:47
slomoKamion: "as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement" there was no court judgment or offical allegation of patent infringement by the patent holders yet from what i know... although that doesn't make it much better as faad definitely infringes patents05:50
slomoKamion: anyway... how would such exception clause look like? do you have an example in mind? :)05:51
Kamionyou snipped "or for any other reason" from that clause, which is kind of relevant (consider a known patent licence) :-P05:52
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Kamionslomo: googling for "GPL exception clause" led me to http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/08/msg00067.html in about four or five clicks; I'm sure you can find others05:53
Kamionhttp://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/licensing.html has similar stuff05:53
slomoKamion: so knowing that this infringes a patent is "any other reason"? ok, i didn't understand it that way but could be related to my english :)05:54
slomothanks, i'll get a mail ready to the gtkpod author :)05:54
Kamiondude, "knowing that this infringes a patent" is *stronger* than "allegation of patent infringement"05:55
Kamionif you already know, nobody needs to allege it05:55
Kamionthe GPL is kind of assuming that you aren't wilfully breaking the law in its wording05:56
bddebian"breakin' the law, breakin' the law"05:56
Kamionbut "any other reason" covers anything that imposes conditions on you contradicting the terms of the GPL05:56
Kamionunless there is an exception clause from the authors of all the GPLed material allowing you to do otherwise, then if you can't distribute the work as a whole under the terms of the GPL, you can't distribute it at all05:57
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slomoKamion: ok thanks, good to know...05:59
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pittioff to another espresso install try :)06:00
pittiKamion: is 'sudo env ESPRESSO_DEBUG=1 espresso' the right thing?06:02
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pittiKamion: (nevermind, seems so, the log is veeery verbose now)06:03
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Kamionpitti: I use ESPRESSO_DEBUG=1 sudo espresso, but yeah, same difference06:11
pittimeh, I cannot get past that 'dispositivos duplicados' error06:12
Kamion("duplicate mountpoints")06:12
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Kamionwurgle, why the hell isn't partman offering me the chance to erase the whole dis06:12
Kamionk06:12
SeveasUbugtu just got a bit more useful06:13
KamionI have a feeling it didn't manage to detect any disks ...06:13
Seveashe will now manage the topic in #ubuntu-meeting and fill it with the fridge ical feed06:13
KamionOh. That would be because I forgot to add any in vmware. d'oh.06:13
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KamionMithrandir: any idea why /sbin is mode 700 on today's live CD?06:18
MithrandirKamion: what does dmesg look like?06:19
Kamionpretty normal - although some DriveReady SeekComplete Error things about hdc06:21
Kamionbut that's really weird since this is inside vmware, so I'm inclined to discount it06:21
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RiddellI can't confirm the /sbin issue06:23
MithrandirKamion: it's probably just squashfs smoking something.06:23
MithrandirKamion: try rebooting and see if it fixes it06:23
RiddellMithrandir: it's a live CD06:24
MithrandirRiddell: yes, and?06:24
KamionI think it's safe to assume Mithrandir is familiar with live CDs06:24
Kamionit seems to be incredibly confused about networking too ...06:25
Kamionyeah, sod it, I'll reboot :-/06:25
MithrandirKamion: I'm slightly worried about the "let's go smoke crack" behaviour that we see from squashfs a bit too often. :-/06:25
Kamionich auch06:26
pittiMithrandir: confirmed, /sbin is 0700 here, too06:26
Mithrandirpitti: and nothign interesting in dmesg in your end either?06:27
Kamionsame behaviour after reboot, except that networking isn't randomly broken any more06:28
bddebianFuck, no Dapper, Breezy, or even sarge will install on this ML350.. :-(06:28
azeemtried etch beta 2?06:29
azeemit got released today06:29
Kamionbddebian: what breaks?06:29
bddebianazeem: No not yet06:29
bddebianKamion: It just hangs06:29
Kamionat what point?06:29
bddebianOn Breezy I get:06:30
bddebian4294668.82100 ACPI: Looking for DSDT.. not found!06:30
bddebian4292668.92100 not found!06:30
bddebianhang06:30
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seb128Kamion, mdz: read my question about new shared-mime-info some hours ago?06:33
pittiMithrandir: not really, at least nothing that looks like oopes and such06:35
Kamionseb128: read my answer some hours ago? ;-)06:35
Kamion12:18 < Kamion> seb128: sounds sensible06:35
pitti$ dmesg |grep squash06:35
pitti[   59.117343]  squashfs: version 3.0prerelease (2006/1/24) Phillip Lougher06:35
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bddebianKamion: Any ideas?  I have tried acpi=off pci=noacpi noapic DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 BOOT_DEBUG=2 to no avail :-(06:36
Kamionbddebian: I'm afraid not - kernel folks might know better06:36
bddebianI've tried them :-(06:36
Kamionhangs before the installer actually really gets started are well outside my area of expertise06:36
xhakerbbdebian.. Asus laptop?06:37
bddebianxhaker: Compaq Proliant ML35006:37
xhakeri've seen hangs with the loading of hw_random module on Asus laptop06:37
xhaker's06:37
seb128Kamion: nop, I didn't sorry :) What is sensible about it? That's mainly next type definitions, nothing likely to break the world06:38
Mithrandirpitti: I'm off for dinner, so ttyl06:39
seb128Kamion: and a good bunch of fixes for differents mimetypes too06:39
Kamionseb128: "sounds sensible" == "ok"06:39
Kamionas in, go ahead06:39
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seb128k, /me hides :)06:39
bddebianseb128: Did you get the alternatives thing working the way you wanted?06:39
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seb128Kamion: thank you :))06:40
pittiKamion: is there an easy way (besides rebooting the live CD) to purge the espresso settings? It keeps wanting to format a partition it isn't supposed to06:40
seb128bddebian: out of the way that update-alternatives doesn't create the dir if required yep :p06:40
Kamionpitti: possibly rm -rf /var/lib/partman; it sounds as if partman is very confused06:40
pittiah, thanks06:40
Kamionbut I haven't looked at the log yet06:40
bddebianseb128: :-)06:40
pittiKamion: (I filed bugs along the installation, I just need some help to actually finish one :) )06:41
seb128s/way/fact06:41
Kamionpitti: can you wait a minute and I'll have a quick look at the log?06:41
Kamionjust in case there's something else I need06:41
pittiKamion: oh, sure06:41
pittiKamion: kudos for your fast mail reading, BTW :) do you have a red lamp that flashes whenever a new espresso bug is filed?06:42
Kamionpitti: oh, in fact never mind, your comment clarifies exactly why it happened06:42
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pittiKamion: alright, then 'insert coin and try it again' :)06:45
lemsx1hello all06:45
Kamionpitti: yeah, I just need to make PartmanCommit clear out old state06:45
lemsx1the sketch program is supposed to work by just calling it from the command line like: sketch ?06:45
pittiKamion: I saved the old /v/l/partman, just in case06:45
pittihm, it *still* knows my name06:46
lemsx1i installed inkscape (just to play around) and saw that it suggested a few other programs. sketch gave me a bunch of errors when i tried to execute it06:46
lemsx1oh, old bug #534706:47
Ubugtumalone bug 5347 in sketch "sketch does not start" [Major,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/534706:47
Kamionwell, there are no .debs in main or restricted that ship /sbin as anything other than mode 075506:48
Kamionand no obvious chmods in /var/lib/dpkg/info/06:48
Kamioninfinity: any clue what's going on here?06:48
dokoinfinity, lamont, Kinnison: any reason why openoffice.org-l10n is not picked up by the buildd's?06:51
Kinnisonis the source in?06:52
dokoyes06:52
Kinnisononly just06:53
KinnisonIt'll probably all start up in the next few hours as it settles after the problem we had earlier06:53
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dokoKinnison: what do you mean by "just", the .orig.tar.gz?06:54
Kinnisonthe datetime on the publishing record is seven minutes ago06:55
Kinnisonso I imagine the buildds haven't got it yet06:55
dokoahh, ok06:55
Kinnisondoko|imatient06:55
Kinnisonerm impatient too06:55
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dokoheh ... I did upload these 3 hours ago ;)06:58
Kinnisonyeah, and we had some db issues today with the lp upgrade06:59
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fstathello06:59
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sivangKinnison: ruined your fingers with the lp upgrade? :)07:01
sivangKinnison: what's up?07:01
Kinnisonsivang: Naah, lots of hacking on LP this week07:01
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sivangKinnison: well, tha'ts alwasy good :)07:01
sivangKinnison: I'm sure you had, and paying with fingers is a small price to pay :-D07:02
sivangKinnison: are you able to review a package of mine so I can take it off pitti_live 's busy back? :-)07:02
Kinnisonsivang: Sure, mail it to me, I.E. the source package07:04
Kinnisonsivang: If it's not in my INBOX, I won't have it offline later07:05
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sivangDispositivos duplicados ?07:09
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Kinnisondoko: BQB is running07:13
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sivangKinnison: sent07:20
sivangKinnison: see if you get it07:20
mdzseb128: can you repeat it?07:20
seb128mdz: what? shared-mime-info stuff? Kamion gave me approval so I've uploaded07:21
mdzseb128: ah, ok07:22
mdz(yes)07:22
KaiLdamn f*cking powernowd07:25
KaiLit starts to become some tradition, that it breaks on this system ;)07:26
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Kinnisonsivang: where did you send it to, it's still not turned up07:34
siryesHello, good Ubuntu people! I'd like to ask a general question about gksu package.07:37
mvosiryes: just ask, that is in general better than asking for permission :)07:38
siryesSince the Dapper is going to be released a bit later, and Ubuntu team is intended to provide a long support for it (36-60 months), I'd like to support this basic utility by providing a Polish translation.07:39
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pittiseb128, Riddell: mmm, fresh language packs on http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/ - wanna help testing them?07:39
pittigrab them while they are hot :)07:39
Riddellpitti: any changes to the packaging, or just updates?07:40
pittiRiddell: just fresh translations07:40
pittiRiddell: maybe you can watch out for amarok07:41
siryesI've created a set of updated .po files which can be found on the Polish Gnome Translators' page: http://www.gnomepl.org/gksu ; http://www.gnomepl.org/libgksu ; http://www.gnomepl.org/libgksuui07:41
seb128siryes: subscribe to the rosetta team for your locale07:41
siryesI just don't know who to ask to put it in the Ubuntu packages. The Polish translations of the aforemntioned packages are horribly outdated... :-(07:42
siryesrosetta team, ok. Where to find them?07:42
pittiRiddell: darn, it seems that amarok was not updated, might still be the old tarball07:42
pittiRiddell: I forgot to check for that before building the new packs07:42
seb128pitti: gstreamer-0.8 translation is dropped but no gstreamer-0.10 one replace it07:43
pittiRiddell: so it seems we need a no-change upload to get a new translation tarball (currently importet one is 2:1.3.8-0ubuntu2)07:43
sivangKinnison: dsilvers@canonical.com07:43
siryesok, got it: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-pl07:43
siryesIs this team responsive? ;-)07:43
Riddellpitti: latest amarok is 2:1.3.8-0ubuntu6, why will uploading it again change which version is used for the translation tar?07:44
pittiseb128: hm, find -name 'gstream*' delivers gstreamer-0.10.po, isn't that right?07:44
seb128pitti: ups, sorry, was already shipped by previous set in fact07:44
pittiRiddell: probably 0ubuntu6 was uploaded while sbuild didn't export tarballs07:44
seb128I sort of debdiffed07:44
Riddellpitti: ok, I'll do that now07:44
seb128and noticed gst0.8 droppage but no new gst0.10 :)07:44
seb128pitti: looks good to me07:44
seb128pitti: thank you :)07:44
Kinnisonsivang: Hmm, try again to dsilvers@digital-scurf.org07:44
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sivangKinnison: sec07:45
pittiRiddell: alright, I'll build the packs again after that07:45
seb128pitti: I've installed them and tried some apps, looks fine07:45
pittiseb128: better than before? i. e. with gnome 2.14 love?07:45
sivangKinnison: sent07:46
bddebianw000t.. Mithrandir, you were soo close07:47
bddebianI needed noapic AND nolapic07:48
mvodoes anyone here has a opinion about the free-ness (main ready) of the OFL license ?  (http://www.sil.org/OFL)07:49
Kinnisonsivang: looks like one has turned up07:49
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Kamionmvo: 40407:52
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mvoKamion: *cough* make that http://scripts.sil.org/ofl07:55
pittiseb128, Riddell: current packs look fine to me; I'll build new ones tomorrow then, when amarok is imported07:55
sivangKinnison: thanks07:56
sivangbtw, what's with that erro message from cdrecord - Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root?07:56
sivang: Operation not permitted07:56
Riddellpitti: no gwenview either, it had the same problem as amarok and was fixed around the same time, I'll re-upload that too for luck07:58
pittiyes, thanks07:58
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pittiRiddell: I can import the two tarballs on their own for a quick test before cranking up the full build07:58
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pittiwow, our installer is really nice - I now have FOUR partitions which are all labeled '/' and gnome-vfs only shows the label08:01
pittiKamion: any chance to stop labelling the partitions by default? or is that a particular pet feature of you?08:02
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mvodoko: scim seems to work fine in OOwrtie on amd64 (version from today, tested in vmware)08:08
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dokomvo: hmm, nice, so how does scim work? it's an extra layer? I'm just wondering, because the modules in /usr/lib32/gtk-2.0 don't exist ...08:21
sivangpitti: it seems I need to dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord , and enable SUID root for the binaries to make the SYS_RAWIO error message go away. isn't this supposed to be supported without SUID bit set for the latest kernels?08:21
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Kamionpitti: I can't decide between "should use better labels" and "gnome-vfs should be a bit smarter when labels clash"08:24
Mithrandirsabdfl: X fallback on live cd is basically "if we fail to start X, retry with vesa?"08:24
Kamionpitti: I do think the labels are useful - your problem only arises when you have several multiply-booted Linux installs, which I'd venture to suggest is a corner case08:24
sabdflMithrandir: i don't know, it's just "don't die horribly"08:26
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sabdflwhether thats "die gracefully and tell the user how to try again with vesa"08:27
sabdflor "keep things under control and come back to offer alternatives"08:27
sabdflwe should consider free drivers, non-free and vesa08:27
Kamionsomebody said the other day that there's a problem using the non-free drivers on the live CD, because they install a version of libGL that's incompatible with the free drivers08:28
KamionI didn't catch the details, but it seemed to me like it might be relevant here; I think infinity knows more08:28
MithrandirI could investigate more, in my copious free time.08:29
janimoKamion, at least fglrx libGL on install diverts the original one, maybe that's what they meant08:36
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Kamionjanimo: right08:36
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GFDLin dapper the terminal server client doesn't save advanced settings like local resources (e.g. keyboard setting) or username in the rdp file08:46
GFDLonly the computer name is saved08:46
GFDLfor complex settings everytime the settings must be reentered08:46
LaserJockGFDL: have you reported/searched for an appropriate bug report?08:48
pittire08:48
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GFDLI will take a look now, I haven't checked yet08:49
GFDLthe .rdp file contains entries for username, etc. but all are empty08:49
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seb128pitti: not easy to say, I built a lot of stuff on my box so I've a lot of .mo installed08:51
seb128pitti: so my translations are fine without language pack :)08:52
pittiseb128: heh, true :)08:52
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seb128Kamion, mdz: GNOME guys got a new libxklavier 2.2 bug fix tarball for GNOME 2.14.0, is that ok to update?09:01
seb128Kamion, mdz: there is 3 changelog entries since the version we have, all bug fixes so it should be just fine09:02
Mithrandirseb128: would it be hard to make double-clicking a date in the calendar in the clock applet actually open evolution on the right date?09:06
seb128Mithrandir: it has not been done before because evolution lacked the API to do that09:06
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seb128Mithrandir: need to check if that's still true09:06
Mithrandirseb128: it appears to have some support for it, but I haven't been able to get the magic incarnations to work yet.09:07
seb128Mithrandir: upstream bug about that is http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16230509:07
Ubugtugnome2 bug 162305 in clock "Double click should open calendar with date or the task clicked" [Normal,New]  09:07
seb128comment say09:07
seb128"evolution calendar:///?startdate=FOO09:07
seb128where FOO is an ISO 8601-compliant UTC time string, it is parsed using09:07
seb128strftime (ret, 17, "%Y%m%dT%M%SZ", gmtime (&t));09:07
seb128For a proof-of-concept, use the shell command09:07
seb128date +"%Y%m%dT%M%SZ""09:07
seb128I've that on my list to try, but ETOOBUSY, etc09:08
seb128if you want to give it a try you are welcome09:08
sivangpitti: what are the possible ret codes from pmount/pumount? success / failure == 0 / 1 ?09:08
sivangpitti: (man page doesn't talk about it)09:08
Mithrandirseb128: thanks.  I didn't get it to work, but I'll investigate.09:08
seb128Mithrandir: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-patches/2005-July/msg00154.html too09:09
pittisivang: I /msg you09:09
Mithrandirseb128: already seen that, but thanks09:09
Mithrandiryou know you're running development stuff when apt-get clean frees up 1.2GB.09:10
sivangpitti: thank you :)09:11
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stewskican totem in dapper play css DVDs?09:14
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tsengit can with xine and libdvdcss209:16
tsengbut not OOTB09:16
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stewskidarn09:16
_ionIs anyone working on a network-manager 0.6.1 package for dapper?09:16
mdkei think totem gstreamer plays dvds with libdvdcss209:17
stewskiso the gstreamer library cannot play09:17
stewskithats what Id thought mdke09:17
mdkenot 100% sure though09:17
stewskibut its not working09:17
mdkestewski, best try #ubuntu09:18
tsengthe dvd plugin wasnt ported to 0.10 last i heard09:18
stewski] getting the same answer there, didnt like the answer so I came here :-)09:18
mdketseng, oh geez09:19
mjg59The dvd plugin is ported, but not fully functional09:19
stewskithis is a really common requirement great shame if totem wont be able to even support with plugin DVD playback09:19
mdkemjg59, will it work for dapper you think?09:20
mjg59mdke: I have no idea09:20
mjg59seb has been watching the situation09:20
mdkeseb128, any idea? If not, we'd better update our guides09:20
seb128dvd playing works but without menu nor subtitle09:21
seb128and anyway that's not something we can ship on CD (mpeg decoder, dvdcss, etc)09:21
mdkeseb128, sure. I'd make a note of the -menu -subtitle thing in the docs09:22
xhakerdvd state: vcd works.. reading .vob work.. .ifo handling doesn't work.. menus doesn't work.. trackbar is buggy09:22
stewskiseb I appreciate dvd playback cant work out of the box09:22
mdkexhaker, thanks. So recommending another library is probably a good idea :)09:22
stewskibut totem/gstreamer being able to play DVDs would make it easier long run09:23
xhakermdke: gstreamer is under the gnome exception?09:23
stewskiI read good things about new Gstreamer09:23
mdkestewski, there is nothing we can do if it doesn't work from upstream, except make a note of it09:23
mdkexhaker, you have to ask seb, I dunno09:23
stewskiNP mdke I realise (and not trying to detract on some really excelent work for dapper)09:24
seb128stewski: it'll for sure, it's just not ready yet09:25
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seb128stewski: code for menu and subtitle is to CVS now, it just lacks the glue to been used by totem09:25
stewskismart09:25
stewskiexcellent hope the extra time lets this get in09:25
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seb128the issue is that fluendo guys can't work on that09:26
mdkeseb128, ah so it may be in for dapper?09:26
seb128so they have to wait on contributors fo rit09:26
seb128for it09:26
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seb128mdke: might09:26
mdkeseb128, when will we know? the docs will get frozen soon09:26
seb128assume it'll not work09:27
mdkeseb128, ok. thanks09:27
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Riddellwhat is mvo's dist upgrade tool called?09:31
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stewskianyone able to get multichannel sound playback?09:37
xhakerRiddell: i believe it's exactly dist-upgrade09:38
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Riddellxhaker: no such thing in the archives09:39
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sladenwhat's the best way to tag a bug as a regression?09:54
Burgworksladen, raise the severity?09:55
sladenBurgwork: I sometimes stick [regression]  in the bug title; there must be a better way09:56
Burgworkdoes malone have bugzilla style keywords?09:57
sladenI thought I saw a 'tag' option somewhere, but I can't find it now that looked;09:57
sladenthere is a 'name' option09:58
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bddebianOK, I got install to work, now I get the following error on boot:10:09
bddebianALERT! /dev/ida/c0d0p2 does not exist, dropping to a shell?10:10
sladenbddebian: so now that you have a shell, what does  ls -l /dev/ida  show you?10:12
bddebiannada10:12
bddebianNo ida dir at all10:12
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bddebianKeybuk: ping?10:20
Mithrandirseb128: it works if I just specify the date, not the time.  It appears time_from_isodate in libecal is broken.10:26
Mithrandirseb128: I'm filing a bug now.10:26
seb128ok, thank you10:26
Mithrandirseb128: is it useful for you to get a patch for the clock applet or is it too trivial for it to save you time?10:29
seb128patch are always welcome :)10:29
seb128so I don't forget about it and I'm not tempted to be lazy 10:30
Mithrandirok. :-)10:31
Mithrandirit's one of my pet bugs that's been around for a while, so.10:31
Mithrandirit should also support using Dates instead of Evolution, but that can probably wait for another day.10:31
seb128right10:32
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Mithrandirhmm, actually, it looks like evo needs a fix to not open another shell if it's just one URI given on the command line.10:34
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Keybukbddebian: 'sup?10:47
bddebianKeybuk: Possible udev problem?10:48
bddebian ALERT! /dev/ida/c0d0p2 does not exist, dropping to a shell?10:48
Keybuknone that I'm aware of10:48
Keybukida?10:48
Keybukwhat's that?10:48
bddebianI don't know10:48
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dianewonghello10:49
Keybukwhat's your kernel command-line?10:49
Mithrandiri2o10:49
seb128$ sudo grub-install /dev/hda10:49
seb128/dev/sda1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive10:49
dianewongis there any security feature that the ubuntu livecd provides during autologin?10:49
seb128grumpf10:49
bddebianGive me a sec but I know root is:  root=/dev/ida/c0d0p210:49
seb128does anybody knows how to fix that?10:49
Mithrandiror maybe not.  That's /dev/i2o, iirc10:49
Mithrandirseb128: rm /boot/grub/device.map so it'll reprobe10:49
Keybukbddebian: never heard of it10:50
zulthere is a grub patch that handles i2o10:50
pittidianewong: not sure what you mean10:50
Mithrandirzul: ida's not i2o, I jumped the gun10:51
dianewongimagine im on the ubuntu livecd10:51
Mithrandirdianewong: what kind of security features?10:51
seb128Mithrandir: that was easy, thank you :)10:51
dianewongit autologs to the user "ubuntu"10:51
zulMithrandir: ah ok10:51
seb128brb10:52
dianewongdoes it prevent anyone from internet to drop an eggdrop while im runnin on the livecd ?10:52
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Mithrandirdianewong: it doesn't run ssh and ssh won't allow users with a blank password to log in.10:53
dianewongis the passwd locked ?10:53
Mithrandirso unless you install ssh and change the ssh config or install ssh and set a too simple password, there's no way to get into your session10:53
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dianewongMithrandir how does it do that?10:53
dianewongcan i see the codes that prevents this?10:54
tsengits just like he said, ssh denies users with no password10:54
tsengand also like he said.. ssh doesnt even run to start with10:54
tsengif you run netstat --listen --tcp10:54
Mithrandirdianewong: : tfheen@vawad ~ > grep PermitEmpty /etc/ssh/sshd_config10:54
MithrandirPermitEmptyPasswords no10:54
bddebianKeybuk: "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-18-i386 root=/dev/ida/c0p0p2 ro noapic nolapic quiet splash"10:54
tsengyou will see that the only listening services are bound to the loopback address10:54
Keybukbddebian: did it work with -17 then?10:55
Mithrandirdianewong: also, there's no ssh daemon listening unless you explicitly install one10:55
bddebianIn looking in /proc/modules, I don't think the Compaq SmartArrary 431 is getting picked up10:55
bddebianKeybuk: This is a new install10:55
Keybukbddebian: is that driver in the initramfs?10:55
bddebianHmm, I don't know, sorry.  How do I look?10:55
Keybukmodprobe? :)10:56
bddebianI don't know which driver it uses? :-(10:56
KeybukCPQARRAY ?10:57
dianewongthanks10:57
bddebianProbably should be, I'll try it10:57
dianewonganother question though10:57
Keybuktry it, see if /dev/ida turns up10:57
dianewongtohow it was ensured that the screensaver never asks for a password10:57
ograit isnt yet ...10:59
ograyou can currently use "lock screen" 10:59
bddebianKeybuk: module cpqarray not found :(10:59
Keybukiz initramfs bug11:00
Keybukblame infinity11:00
dianewongogra: what to you mean ?11:00
dianewongogra: what do you mean ?11:00
marcin`hello guys - I got strange question and I'm sure that you will send me to #ubuntu11:00
ogradianewong, it isnt "insured yet" i have a bug open about that behavior 11:01
marcin`but I'm also almost sure that anyone on #ubuntu will know solution so please let me try11:01
ogras/yet"/"yet/11:01
=== bddebian blames infinity
bddebianOK, so can I fix it?11:01
=== zul blames canada
bddebianzul: :-)11:01
marcin`my problem is - I use Terminus font on Gnome but I also use Ratpoison as WindowManager11:01
dianewongogra: can i view that bug ?11:01
ograbddebian, /etc/mkinitramfs/modules11:02
ogratry to add it there11:02
bddebianogra: OK, thx11:02
marcin`and if I set my font as default for gtk apps in .gtrc then it work on Ratpoison - but not in Mozilla Firefox11:02
ograand rebuild the initramfs indeed 11:02
marcin`could some developer tell me what could be reason of this behaviour?11:03
dianewongogra: can i view that bug ?11:03
ogradianewong, yes, sorry, took a second11:03
ograbug 3011811:03
Ubugtumalone bug 30118 in gnome-screensaver "LiveCD: default user password, lock screen problem" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3011811:03
bddebianogra: I don't have that dir, or do I need to boot install CD and mount it ?11:04
ograoh, yes, chroot into the system indeed 11:05
bddebianHmm11:05
ogra(rescue mode might do it)11:06
bddebianOK I'll try.  How do I rebuild initramfs?11:06
Keybukupdate-initramfs -u11:06
bddebianthanks11:06
dianewongthanks ogra 11:06
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mjg59sladen: No, the copying ought to be there11:07
mjg59Also, I'm not sure about the panel stuff. Surely that's Intel-specific? Do we have any idea what that would do on other hardware?11:08
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ograMithrandir, would it be possible to add widescreen resolutions to the liveCD bootmenu ?11:10
Mithrandirogra: you realise they're not used by X?11:11
Mithrandirit's just for console11:11
ograsadly, yes ...11:11
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mjg59ogra: No11:11
mjg59ogra: They're VESA modes11:11
seb128Mithrandir: still around?11:11
Mithrandirseb128: yes11:11
mjg59ogra: Widescreen ones aren't standardised, to the best of my knowledge11:12
ogramjg59, like video=vesafb:mtrr1280x800-16@72  ?11:12
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seb128Mithrandir: you craked on xkb stuff right? did you look on xkeyboard-config 0.6 to 0.8 update? I've just built it and tried, it fixed the gnome-settings-daemon when using multiple layouts or compose option by example and add a good bunch of new layouts that could be useful for the l10n goal11:12
mjg59ogra: No...11:13
seb128Mithrandir: if you didn't I'll ask an UVF for it I think11:13
ograah, k11:13
mjg59ogra: VESAfb can't change mode. That's done by the bootloader or the kernel startup code (I can't remember which)11:13
Mithrandirseb128: I haven't looked at it at all, no.  I'm probably going to rush through it tomorrow while waving my amazing Korean keyboard.11:13
ograah, k 11:13
Mithrandirseb128: could we take a look at it tomorrow?11:13
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Tonio_Kamion: ping ?11:14
Mithrandirseb128: given that I'm on my way to bed now.11:14
Tonio_hi everyone11:14
seb128Mithrandir: sure, I can ask the UVF exception if you want, it was just to not dup work11:14
Mithrandirseb128: sure, take the lock on xkb-c and run with it.11:15
seb128lol11:15
Mithrandirseb128: also, if you could take a look at the evo patch I just posted (#35118) we're a bit closer to the "make the clock applet's integration with evo be way better"11:15
seb128I'm happy to give the lock if you want it :) I just want the new version for dapper since it fixes the g-s-d crasher which is one of the frequent GNOME users complain we have11:15
seb128will do, thank you11:16
Mithrandirseb128: either way works for me.11:16
Mithrandirseb128: I'll review it tomorrow and ask for UVF, then.11:16
seb128ok, thank you11:16
Mithrandirsee you around.11:16
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bddebianogra or Keybuk: OK, I added cpqarray to /tmpmnt/mkinitramfs/modules  but I can't find update-initramfs ?11:17
seb128Mithrandir: 'night11:17
bddebianErr /tmpmnt/etc/mkinitramfs/modules even :-)11:18
ograhmm ...11:18
ogrado you have a separate /usr ?11:19
ogra/usr/sbin/update-initramfs11:19
bddebianWell / is the ramdisk, should it be there?11:19
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bddebianI don't see it in /tmpmnt/usr/sbin/11:19
ograhmm, its in initramfs-tools usually ...11:20
ograwhich should be installed ...11:21
sladenmjg59: 915resolution is intel-specific, and that's the only use-case.  The function it uses is defined by VESA as part of their Liquid-Flat-Panel extensions11:23
mjg59sladen: But you'e given me a patch for vbetool11:24
mjg59So, uhm.11:24
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mjg59Or do you mean you want to call vbetool from 915resolution?11:25
sladenmjg59: yes, see http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/upload/915resolution_0.5-1ubuntu2panelid2.debdiff11:25
sladenmjg59: auto-detect magic for 915resolution11:25
mjg59sladen: Also, the HP stuff is still wrong. 11:26
mjg59You're just resetting what's already there11:26
mjg59So my suspicion is that the Compaq ones there are also fine11:26
bddebianogra: OK, I lied, I found it in /tmpmnt/usr/sbin11:26
pittiRiddell: amarok and gwenview translations have arrived11:27
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bddebianBut it didn't seem to work.  Can I specify /tmpmnt/boot/initrd.img with update-initramfs?11:27
pittiRiddell: I'll just have some troubles with gwenview, it has yet another different format for storing translations, so this needs manual special-casing in langpack-o-matic11:28
bddebianI.E. something like /tmpmnt/usr/sbin/update-initramfs -u /tmpmnt/boot/initrd.img ?11:28
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ograchroot /tmpmnt update-initramfs -u 11:30
bddebianOh duh.. :-)11:30
bddebianWell it'll have to wait until tomorrow or I'm getting an ass-whiping from the wife.11:31
bddebianTHanks ogra and Keybuk.11:31
sladenmjg59: which particular part of the HP stuff?  dmi strings, mappings, ..?11:31
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mjg59sladen: The mappings11:32
sladenmjg59: I can run a awk over and comment out any that are setting $value to $value11:33
mjg59sladen: Ok11:33
mjg59+setkeycodese05f$KEY_SLEEP# Fn+F3Sleep(matches compaq.hk)11:33
mjg59That's a noop11:33
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=== Keybuk boggles at the "1280x1024 is an abomination" people
_ionWell, it's perfectly fine if you have a 5:4 monitor.11:48
Keybukwhich most people do11:48
_ionMost people have a 4:3 monitor.11:48
Keybukcertainly nearly everyone who'd have that as a recommend resolution has a 5:4 monitor11:48
Keybukno11:49
KeybukTFTs are nearly always 5:411:49
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_ionMaybe TFTs are more popular in your country than.11:49
Keybukmost CRTs are 5:4 too11:49
=== _ion hands keybuk a ruler. :-)
HrdwrBoBmost people I know have TFTs11:49
Keybukthe really old ones probably aren't, but those can't do 1280x1024 either :)11:50
KeybukI've never seen a 4:3 19" CRT, or TFT11:50
sladenmjg59: e05f is 223, the code kernel code is 14211:50
mjg59sladen: There is not a linear mapping between these two things11:50
Keybuk(that's not to say they don't exist, of course)11:50
HrdwrBoB  dimensions:    1600x1200 pixels (402x302 millimeters)11:51
mjg59Keybuk: See drivers/input/keyboard/atkbd.c11:51
mjg59Uh.11:52
mjg59sladen: ^11:52
mjg59(sorry)11:52
mjg59sladen: atkbd_set2_keycode[223] =14211:52
KeybukHrdwrBoB: what's the pixel pitch of that?  does it have non-square pixels?11:54
Keybuk(which a lot of CRTs have)11:54
mjg59Keybuk: CRTs don't have pixels...11:54
sladenmjg59: okay, based on that I have to grep drivers/input/keyboard/atkbd.c instead...  oooh the indirection turns me on11:54
Keybukmjg59: uh, right11:54
Keybukis "dot pitch" the right term?11:54
Keybuksomething like that11:54
HrdwrBoByes11:54
Keybukhardware is not my best field :p11:54
HrdwrBoBI can't remember the numbers, but it's enough11:55
HrdwrBoB21" trinitron CRT11:55
HrdwrBoB0.24mm Aperture grille pitch11:55
mjg59Keybuk: The phosphor dots may be non-square, but it's desirable to use square pixels most of the time11:55
mjg591280x1024 is strange in that respect11:55
KeybukI do know that 1280x1024 is almost always suggested for TFTs, which are 5:411:55
mjg59Since it's the only "standard" mode that gives non-square pixels on 4:3 CRTs11:55
mjg59What shape the TFT is is unimportant. Using anything other than the native resolution is insane.11:56
KeybukCRTs tend to suggest 1152x864 or 1600x1200 instead11:56
HrdwrBoBexactly11:56
mjg59There was a phase of 1280x102411:56
mjg59It was popular for a long time before TFTs were11:56
Keybukwould have thought a CRT would suggest 1280x960 instead11:56
mjg59Nope11:56
mjg59No idea why11:56
HrdwrBoByes, most 19" monitors suggest 1280x102411:56
Keybukkooky11:56
Keybukstill doesn't make it an abomination, given it's not only the native resolution of most 19" TFTs but also the only correct aspect one :)11:57
HrdwrBoBit's also the native resolution of most 17" TFTs11:58
HrdwrBoBwhich means 19" TFTs annoying and pointless imho11:58
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KeybukI find the 17" too "high res"11:58
HrdwrBoBthere is no such thing11:58
Surakhello11:58
=== Lathiat has 19s, i have 1680x1050 on my 15.4" widescreen tho and thats too high res for me, it looks nice tho :)
Keybukyou get less screen space on a 17" with the same (ruler) size fonts as on a 19" monitor11:59
Surakwhich is the person I need to talk to to have ubugtu in #ubuntu-br?11:59
Keybukpixel size, the fonts on a 17" are smaller than on a 19"11:59
Keybukfor those of us with wonky eyesight, that's a bad thing <g>11:59
ograSurak, Seveas 11:59
Surakogra: thanks12:00
Keybukwhatever your dad told you, size *is* important ;)12:00
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HrdwrBoByeah, the 19" is bigger, but I'd rather go up to the 20" where suddenly you get 1600x1200 or whatever12:00
Keybuksee, that's my reason for *not* going to the 20" - because then everything would get too small for me to see12:00
HrdwrBoBcouldn't you just increase the font size?12:00
Keybukfont size doesn't increase the width of things like the cursor bar12:01
Keybukor the width of scrollbars, etc.12:01
HrdwrBoBthis is why everything should be scalable and zoomable.. the dot pitch of your display should be independant of the size of the interface12:01
Keybuksadly most of those things are still fixed size in pixels, which is silly12:01
HrdwrBoBthat said, I do a lot of work on my X40 which has small pixels and size 8 fonts12:01
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